https://www.digikey.com/en/products/detail/stmicroelectronics/VL53L4CXV0DH-1/161237770 In Stock
I think that gets really cheap in volume. I'm impressed.
These guys used one of our delay generators when they did their
development.
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but if he will be content to begin with doubts he shall end in certainties. Francis Bacon
On Monday, 11 July 2022 at 23:00:38 UTC+2, John Larkin wrote:
https://www.digikey.com/en/products/detail/stmicroelectronics/VL53L4CXV0DH-1/161237770 In Stock
I think that gets really cheap in volume. I'm impressed.
These guys used one of our delay generators when they did their
development.
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but if he will be content to begin with doubts he shall end in certainties. >> Francis Bacon
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On Mon, 11 Jul 2022 14:08:31 -0700 (PDT), a a <mant...@gmail.com>Lidar is an old fake
wrote:
On Monday, 11 July 2022 at 23:00:38 UTC+2, John Larkin wrote:Practically nothing is in stock these days, especially from Digikey.
https://www.digikey.com/en/products/detail/stmicroelectronics/VL53L4CXV0DH-1/161237770 In Stock
I think that gets really cheap in volume. I'm impressed.
These guys used one of our delay generators when they did their
development.
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but if he will be content to begin with doubts he shall end in certainties.
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It's still impressive. It has a laser, a photodiode, drivers, tia's,
maybe an ADC, lots of logic, packaging.
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If a man will begin with certainties, he shall end with doubts,
but if he will be content to begin with doubts he shall end in certainties. Francis Bacon
On Mon, 11 Jul 2022 14:49:37 -0700 (PDT), a a <mant...@gmail.com>-hint: Kinect
wrote:
On Monday, 11 July 2022 at 23:24:49 UTC+2, John Larkin wrote:You are determined to be both ignorant and offensive, and to not say
On Mon, 11 Jul 2022 14:08:31 -0700 (PDT), a a <mant...@gmail.com>Lidar is an old fake
wrote:
On Monday, 11 July 2022 at 23:00:38 UTC+2, John Larkin wrote:Practically nothing is in stock these days, especially from Digikey.
https://www.digikey.com/en/products/detail/stmicroelectronics/VL53L4CXV0DH-1/161237770 In Stock
I think that gets really cheap in volume. I'm impressed.
These guys used one of our delay generators when they did their
development.
--
If a man will begin with certainties, he shall end with doubts,
but if he will be content to begin with doubts he shall end in certainties.
Francis Bacon
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It's still impressive. It has a laser, a photodiode, drivers, tia's,
maybe an ADC, lots of logic, packaging.
--
If a man will begin with certainties, he shall end with doubts,
but if he will be content to begin with doubts he shall end in certainties.
Francis Bacon
much about electronics.
How are those investments working out?
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but if he will be content to begin with doubts he shall end in certainties. Francis Bacon
On Monday, 11 July 2022 at 23:24:49 UTC+2, John Larkin wrote:
On Mon, 11 Jul 2022 14:08:31 -0700 (PDT), a a <mant...@gmail.com>Lidar is an old fake
wrote:
On Monday, 11 July 2022 at 23:00:38 UTC+2, John Larkin wrote:Practically nothing is in stock these days, especially from Digikey.
https://www.digikey.com/en/products/detail/stmicroelectronics/VL53L4CXV0DH-1/161237770 In Stock
I think that gets really cheap in volume. I'm impressed.
These guys used one of our delay generators when they did their
development.
--
If a man will begin with certainties, he shall end with doubts,
but if he will be content to begin with doubts he shall end in certainties.
Francis Bacon
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It's still impressive. It has a laser, a photodiode, drivers, tia's,
maybe an ADC, lots of logic, packaging.
--
If a man will begin with certainties, he shall end with doubts,
but if he will be content to begin with doubts he shall end in certainties. >> Francis Bacon
On Mon, 11 Jul 2022 14:49:37 -0700 (PDT), a a <manta103g@gmail.com>
wrote:
Lidar is an old fake
You are determined to be both ignorant and offensive, and to not say
much about electronics.
John Larkin wrote:
a a <manta103g@gmail.com> wrote:
Lidar is an old fake
You are determined to be both ignorant and offensive, and to not say
much about electronics.
He gave some good reasons pointing lasers at the public is a bad idea
most can be done better and safer with cameras.
Much in the US is fake these days, say Hunter ByeThen.. was just reading people cracked his cellphone, he sold US oil reserves to China it seems ByeThen a criminal club.
We in Europe should immediately ditch the Criminal lead US and make
peace with Russia better for cold winters too,
Jan Panteltje <pNaonStpealmtje@yahoo.com> wrote:
John Larkin wrote:
a a <manta103g@gmail.com> wrote:
Lidar is an old fake
You are determined to be both ignorant and offensive, and to not say
much about electronics.
He gave some good reasons pointing lasers at the public is a bad idea
most can be done better and safer with cameras.
Much in the US is fake these days, say Hunter ByeThen.. was just reading
people cracked his cellphone, he sold US oil reserves to China it seems
ByeThen a criminal club.
Most impressive is how obvious our current crop of politicians are, about >making big money off of being politicians. It's getting worse here in >America.
But the rest of the world was already there a long time ago.
We in Europe should immediately ditch the Criminal lead US and make
peace with Russia better for cold winters too,
What country are you from?
"We in Europe" are chomping at the bit to go after Russia. Doesn't take
much encouragement from America.
On a sunny day (Mon, 11 Jul 2022 16:30:13 -0700) it happened John Larkin ><jlarkin@highland_atwork_technology.com> wrote in ><rgcpchl8hbtbbcgs9c7vithf2qi8vggheu@4ax.com>:
On Mon, 11 Jul 2022 14:49:37 -0700 (PDT), a a <manta103g@gmail.com>
wrote:
Lidar is an old fake
You are determined to be both ignorant and offensive, and to not say
much about electronics.
He gave some good reasons pointing lasers at the public is a bad idea
most can be done better and safer with cameras.
Much in the US is fake these days, say Hunter ByeThen.. was just reading >people cracked his cellphone, he sold US oil reserves to China it seems >ByeThen a criminal club.
We in Europe should immediately ditch the Criminal lead US and make peace with Russia
better for cold winters too,
On Tuesday, 12 July 2022 at 01:30:24 UTC+2, John Larkin wrote:
On Mon, 11 Jul 2022 14:49:37 -0700 (PDT), a a <mant...@gmail.com>-hint: Kinect
wrote:
On Monday, 11 July 2022 at 23:24:49 UTC+2, John Larkin wrote:You are determined to be both ignorant and offensive, and to not say
On Mon, 11 Jul 2022 14:08:31 -0700 (PDT), a a <mant...@gmail.com>Lidar is an old fake
wrote:
On Monday, 11 July 2022 at 23:00:38 UTC+2, John Larkin wrote:Practically nothing is in stock these days, especially from Digikey.
https://www.digikey.com/en/products/detail/stmicroelectronics/VL53L4CXV0DH-1/161237770 In Stock
I think that gets really cheap in volume. I'm impressed.
These guys used one of our delay generators when they did their
development.
--
If a man will begin with certainties, he shall end with doubts,
but if he will be content to begin with doubts he shall end in certainties.
Francis Bacon
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It's still impressive. It has a laser, a photodiode, drivers, tia's,
maybe an ADC, lots of logic, packaging.
--
If a man will begin with certainties, he shall end with doubts,
but if he will be content to begin with doubts he shall end in certainties.
Francis Bacon
much about electronics.
How are those investments working out?
--
If a man will begin with certainties, he shall end with doubts,
but if he will be content to begin with doubts he shall end in certainties. >> Francis Bacon
On Tue, 12 Jul 2022 05:36:35 GMT, Jan Panteltje
<pNaonStpealmtje@yahoo.com> wrote:
On a sunny day (Mon, 11 Jul 2022 16:30:13 -0700) it happened John Larkin >><jlarkin@highland_atwork_technology.com> wrote in >><rgcpchl8hbtbbcgs9c7vithf2qi8vggheu@4ax.com>:
On Mon, 11 Jul 2022 14:49:37 -0700 (PDT), a a <manta103g@gmail.com> >>>wrote:
Lidar is an old fake
You are determined to be both ignorant and offensive, and to not say
much about electronics.
He gave some good reasons pointing lasers at the public is a bad idea
most can be done better and safer with cameras.
Much in the US is fake these days, say Hunter ByeThen.. was just reading >>people cracked his cellphone, he sold US oil reserves to China it seems >>ByeThen a criminal club.
We in Europe should immediately ditch the Criminal lead US and make peace with Russia
better for cold winters too,
Let them have all the soviet satellite countries back, in exchange for
the fossil fuels that you don't want to make?
That's generous. Include East Germany too. And Poland, the classic
european play-toy.
I bet Putin lusts after both. We cound donate Alaska.
On a sunny day (Tue, 12 Jul 2022 06:36:57 -0700) it happened >jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote in ><rltqchhma7e2stcf5e7o9h1t3pv04g8k6k@4ax.com>:
On Tue, 12 Jul 2022 05:36:35 GMT, Jan Panteltje
<pNaonStpealmtje@yahoo.com> wrote:
On a sunny day (Mon, 11 Jul 2022 16:30:13 -0700) it happened John Larkin >>><jlarkin@highland_atwork_technology.com> wrote in >>><rgcpchl8hbtbbcgs9c7vithf2qi8vggheu@4ax.com>:
On Mon, 11 Jul 2022 14:49:37 -0700 (PDT), a a <manta103g@gmail.com> >>>>wrote:
Lidar is an old fake
You are determined to be both ignorant and offensive, and to not say >>>>much about electronics.
He gave some good reasons pointing lasers at the public is a bad idea >>>most can be done better and safer with cameras.
Much in the US is fake these days, say Hunter ByeThen.. was just reading >>>people cracked his cellphone, he sold US oil reserves to China it seems >>>ByeThen a criminal club.
We in Europe should immediately ditch the Criminal lead US and make peace with Russia
better for cold winters too,
Let them have all the soviet satellite countries back, in exchange for
the fossil fuels that you don't want to make?
Well, remember Russia did most of the work defeating nazi Germany in WW2 in Europe.
What is bad? Look at the living conditions _now_ in the US.
Hell they block all Russian channels and now even Cuba is no longer on sat TV ..
Was just appreciating how peaceful that place was..
ByeThen looks a lot like a fascist pig to me, he and his cronies.
He plays the masses and you jump and do not even know you are just a puppet. >Sanctions here sanctions there, using agents everywhere..
So much fear the US has CREATED, mass murders by US and its 'allies' no end >was just reading today about the murders by UK forces in Afghanistan.
Human nature, no reason for me to believe US is better than Russia.
One ant heap against the other.
May the best one win (evolution) but radiation after WW3 lasts a long time >and US is outnumbered.
That's generous. Include East Germany too. And Poland, the classic
european play-toy.
I bet Putin lusts after both. We cound donate Alaska.
You are in no position to donate anything, your country is bankrupt, fort Knox is empty.
All you have left is what you stole from others.
Is that why millions of people emigrate, legally and illegally, to the
US every year?
On a sunny day (Tue, 12 Jul 2022 06:36:57 -0700) it happened jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote in <rltqchhma7e2stcf5e7o9h1t3pv04g8k6k@4ax.com>:
On Tue, 12 Jul 2022 05:36:35 GMT, Jan Panteltje
<pNaonStpealmtje@yahoo.com> wrote:
On a sunny day (Mon, 11 Jul 2022 16:30:13 -0700) it happened John Larkin >>> <jlarkin@highland_atwork_technology.com> wrote in
<rgcpchl8hbtbbcgs9c7vithf2qi8vggheu@4ax.com>:
On Mon, 11 Jul 2022 14:49:37 -0700 (PDT), a a <manta103g@gmail.com>
wrote:
Lidar is an old fake
You are determined to be both ignorant and offensive, and to not say
much about electronics.
He gave some good reasons pointing lasers at the public is a bad idea
most can be done better and safer with cameras.
Much in the US is fake these days, say Hunter ByeThen.. was just reading >>> people cracked his cellphone, he sold US oil reserves to China it seems
ByeThen a criminal club.
We in Europe should immediately ditch the Criminal lead US and make peace with Russia
better for cold winters too,
Let them have all the soviet satellite countries back, in exchange for
the fossil fuels that you don't want to make?
Well, remember Russia did most of the work defeating nazi Germany in WW2 in Europe.
What is bad? Look at the living conditions _now_ in the US.
Hell they block all Russian channels and now even Cuba is no longer on sat TV ..
Was just appreciating how peaceful that place was..
ByeThen looks a lot like a fascist pig to me, he and his cronies.
He plays the masses and you jump and do not even know you are just a puppet. Sanctions here sanctions there, using agents everywhere..
So much fear the US has CREATED, mass murders by US and its 'allies' no end was just reading today about the murders by UK forces in Afghanistan.
Human nature, no reason for me to believe US is better than Russia.
One ant heap against the other.
May the best one win (evolution) but radiation after WW3 lasts a long time and US is outnumbered.
That's generous. Include East Germany too. And Poland, the classic
european play-toy.
I bet Putin lusts after both. We cound donate Alaska.
You are in no position to donate anything, your country is bankrupt, fort Knox is empty.
All you have left is what you stole from others.
You are in no position to donate anything,
You are a goddamned idiot. The text I cut your country is
bankrupt, fort Knox is empty. All you have left is what you stole
from others.
We in Europe should immediately ditch the Criminal lead US and make peace with Russia
better for cold winters too,
On 07/12/2022 10:13 AM, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
Is that why millions of people emigrate, legally and illegally, to the
US every year?
It's a step up from Haiti...
On Tue, 12 Jul 2022 10:52:16 -0600, rbowman <bowman@montana.com>
wrote:
On 07/12/2022 10:13 AM, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
Is that why millions of people emigrate, legally and illegally, to the
US every year?
It's a step up from Haiti...
Actually, we get a lot of immigrants from Europe too. And Asia. San
Francisco is 34% Asian.
What the US has always stolen is the world's best brainpower.
On 07/12/2022 02:52 PM, John Larkin wrote:since none-green-card workers were paid half the rate
On Tue, 12 Jul 2022 10:52:16 -0600, rbowman <bow...@montana.com>
wrote:
On 07/12/2022 10:13 AM, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
Is that why millions of people emigrate, legally and illegally, to the >>> US every year?
It's a step up from Haiti...
Actually, we get a lot of immigrants from Europe too. And Asia. San Francisco is 34% Asian.
What the US has always stolen is the world's best brainpower.
https://www.insidermonkey.com/blog/10-countries-where-most-of-the-illegal-immigrants-came-from-560962/?singlepage=1
India, China, and South Korea probably are a net gain in brainpower. I'm
not sure about the other countries on the top ten list.
It reminds me when Fat Teddy (Kennedy) was against illegal immigration
before he was for it after he found all his favorite Irish bartenders
and maids didn't have green cards.
On a sunny day (Tue, 12 Jul 2022 08:03:39 -0000 (UTC)) it happened "Edward's Mother" <always.see@post.header> wrote in <taj9sq$202t8$3@dont-email.me>:
Jan Panteltje <pNaonStpealmtje@yahoo.com> wrote:
John Larkin wrote:
a a <manta103g@gmail.com> wrote:
Lidar is an old fake
You are determined to be both ignorant and offensive, and to not say
much about electronics.
He gave some good reasons pointing lasers at the public is a bad idea
most can be done better and safer with cameras.
Much in the US is fake these days, say Hunter ByeThen.. was just reading >>> people cracked his cellphone, he sold US oil reserves to China it seems
ByeThen a criminal club.
Most impressive is how obvious our current crop of politicians are, about >>making big money off of being politicians. It's getting worse here in >>America.
But the rest of the world was already there a long time ago.
We in Europe should immediately ditch the Criminal lead US and make
peace with Russia better for cold winters too,
What country are you from?
I am in the Netherlands, where I come from?
You must know babies are brought by storks,
but in my case it was obvious from the beginning I was
dropped here by a flying cup and saucer.
"We in Europe" are chomping at the bit to go after Russia. Doesn't take >>much encouragement from America.
Well I followed the thing from the beginning,
from US sabotaging Northstream 2 to Merkel shutting down nuclear plants,
what not.
It is all about US weapon sales, after US left Afghanstan (and their weapons there)
they needed to sell more
So a war in Europe (as the other demon-crate Kill Blinton, ehh Bil Klignon, or whatever
Monica's lover's name, did make war in Europe before).
Far from their US bad. Cowards!!!
So, Hunter ByeThen was preparing for war in Ukrain all the way from the begging,
I notice CNN (Certified No News) and other main news channels are quiet, have Precedent ByeThen show
Webb telescope pictures, as if he had anything to do with that or even can graps its meaning,
so media under demon-crate control, Suing Trump for attacking demon-crazy
so I drop CNN now.. just a ByeThen channel...
Rise up Americans!!!!! Those reserves were meant to make fuel cheaper for you!
As to the glowbal warming crap, CO2 has NOTHING to do with warming, climate change is caused by earth orbit changes, in the past at times CO2 was lagging behind warm periods (use google).
Your are all being played like a fiddle!!!
Earthlings rise up, your young generation has been brainwashed by the Al Gore and his polar bear club
and is now brain dead, beware it may take many generations and a thousand years or more after WW3
before you can fall for the next plot again!
Enjoy it now!! Storm the ...
On Wednesday, 13 July 2022 at 00:13:08 UTC+2, rbowman wrote:
On 07/12/2022 02:52 PM, John Larkin wrote:since none-green-card workers were paid half the rate
On Tue, 12 Jul 2022 10:52:16 -0600, rbowman <bow...@montana.com>https://www.insidermonkey.com/blog/10-countries-where-most-of-the-illegal-immigrants-came-from-560962/?singlepage=1
wrote:
On 07/12/2022 10:13 AM, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
Is that why millions of people emigrate, legally and illegally, to the >>>>> US every year?
It's a step up from Haiti...
Actually, we get a lot of immigrants from Europe too. And Asia. San
Francisco is 34% Asian.
What the US has always stolen is the world's best brainpower.
India, China, and South Korea probably are a net gain in brainpower. I'm
not sure about the other countries on the top ten list.
It reminds me when Fat Teddy (Kennedy) was against illegal immigration
before he was for it after he found all his favorite Irish bartenders
and maids didn't have green cards.
Power tends to corrupt.
Considering how powerless Holland is, being so corrupt is impressive.
You guys are famous for wooden shoes, the slave trade, and child pornography.
America isn't the only problem. If any other country were as powerful, the world would be much worse off.
BTW... Your "ByeThen" is cryptic, unlikely anybody can tell for sure what that means.
On Monday, July 11, 2022 at 10:45:10 PM UTC-7, Jan Panteltje wrote:
We in Europe should immediately ditch the Criminal lead US and make peace with Russia
better for cold winters too,
Er... how does 'make peace with Russia' work for Ukraine? They aren't aware >of any immediate way to do so other than surrender.
Do you want to 'make peace with Russia' enough to immediately surrender? >Europe is mostly democratic nations, they could vote to do so, if it were a good
idea. I'm thinking, there won't be such a vote.
Jan Panteltje <pNaonStpealmtje@yahoo.com> wrote in >news:tak4gb$22s33$1@dont-email.me:
You are in no position to donate anything,
You are a goddamned idiot. The text I cut your country isYou are a goddamned idiot. A conspiracy theory spouting lunatc,
bankrupt, fort Knox is empty. All you have left is what you stole
from others.
that's what Jan Panteltje is.
On Tue, 12 Jul 2022 15:29:10 GMT, Jan Panteltje
<pNaonStpealmtje@yahoo.com> wrote:
On a sunny day (Tue, 12 Jul 2022 06:36:57 -0700) it happened >>jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote in >><rltqchhma7e2stcf5e7o9h1t3pv04g8k6k@4ax.com>:
On Tue, 12 Jul 2022 05:36:35 GMT, Jan Panteltje >>><pNaonStpealmtje@yahoo.com> wrote:
On a sunny day (Mon, 11 Jul 2022 16:30:13 -0700) it happened John Larkin >>>><jlarkin@highland_atwork_technology.com> wrote in >>>><rgcpchl8hbtbbcgs9c7vithf2qi8vggheu@4ax.com>:
On Mon, 11 Jul 2022 14:49:37 -0700 (PDT), a a <manta103g@gmail.com> >>>>>wrote:
Lidar is an old fake
You are determined to be both ignorant and offensive, and to not say >>>>>much about electronics.
He gave some good reasons pointing lasers at the public is a bad idea >>>>most can be done better and safer with cameras.
Much in the US is fake these days, say Hunter ByeThen.. was just reading >>>>people cracked his cellphone, he sold US oil reserves to China it seems >>>>ByeThen a criminal club.
We in Europe should immediately ditch the Criminal lead US and make peace with Russia
better for cold winters too,
Let them have all the soviet satellite countries back, in exchange for >>>the fossil fuels that you don't want to make?
Well, remember Russia did most of the work defeating nazi Germany in WW2 in Europe.
What is bad? Look at the living conditions _now_ in the US.
US per capita GDP is about 6x Russia's.
Hell they block all Russian channels and now even Cuba is no longer on sat TV ..
Was just appreciating how peaceful that place was..
ByeThen looks a lot like a fascist pig to me, he and his cronies.
He plays the masses and you jump and do not even know you are just a puppet. >>Sanctions here sanctions there, using agents everywhere..
So much fear the US has CREATED, mass murders by US and its 'allies' no end >>was just reading today about the murders by UK forces in Afghanistan.
Human nature, no reason for me to believe US is better than Russia.
One ant heap against the other.
May the best one win (evolution) but radiation after WW3 lasts a long time >>and US is outnumbered.
That's generous. Include East Germany too. And Poland, the classic >>>european play-toy.
I bet Putin lusts after both. We cound donate Alaska.
You are in no position to donate anything, your country is bankrupt, fort Knox is empty.
Is that why millions of people emigrate, legally and illegally, to the
US every year?
All you have left is what you stole from others.
Not stole, gave. We rebuilt Europe and Japan.
On a sunny day (Tue, 12 Jul 2022 09:13:23 -0700) it happened jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote in
<a67rchhsbngehtmf4...@4ax.com>:
On Tue, 12 Jul 2022 15:29:10 GMT, Jan Panteltje
<pNaonSt...@yahoo.com> wrote:
You are in no position to donate anything, your country is bankrupt, fort Knox is empty.
Is that why millions of people emigrate, legally and illegally, to the
US every year?
All you have left is what you stole from others.
Not stole, gave. We rebuilt Europe and Japan.
Stole from the Native Americans
nuked Hiroshima and Nagasaki
making wars in Europe
Vietnam agent Orange
Iraq depleted uranium
Afhanistan mass murder by drones
Iran sanctions stealing money and fuel
Try google for US regime change since WW2
On a sunny day (Tue, 12 Jul 2022 09:13:23 -0700) it happened >jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote in ><a67rchhsbngehtmf405mtdr8gl0s7t4uta@4ax.com>:
On Tue, 12 Jul 2022 15:29:10 GMT, Jan Panteltje
<pNaonStpealmtje@yahoo.com> wrote:
On a sunny day (Tue, 12 Jul 2022 06:36:57 -0700) it happened >>>jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote in >>><rltqchhma7e2stcf5e7o9h1t3pv04g8k6k@4ax.com>:
On Tue, 12 Jul 2022 05:36:35 GMT, Jan Panteltje >>>><pNaonStpealmtje@yahoo.com> wrote:
On a sunny day (Mon, 11 Jul 2022 16:30:13 -0700) it happened John Larkin >>>>><jlarkin@highland_atwork_technology.com> wrote in >>>>><rgcpchl8hbtbbcgs9c7vithf2qi8vggheu@4ax.com>:
On Mon, 11 Jul 2022 14:49:37 -0700 (PDT), a a <manta103g@gmail.com> >>>>>>wrote:
Lidar is an old fake
You are determined to be both ignorant and offensive, and to not say >>>>>>much about electronics.
He gave some good reasons pointing lasers at the public is a bad idea >>>>>most can be done better and safer with cameras.
Much in the US is fake these days, say Hunter ByeThen.. was just reading >>>>>people cracked his cellphone, he sold US oil reserves to China it seems >>>>>ByeThen a criminal club.
We in Europe should immediately ditch the Criminal lead US and make peace with Russia
better for cold winters too,
Let them have all the soviet satellite countries back, in exchange for >>>>the fossil fuels that you don't want to make?
Well, remember Russia did most of the work defeating nazi Germany in WW2 in Europe.
What is bad? Look at the living conditions _now_ in the US.
US per capita GDP is about 6x Russia's.
Hell they block all Russian channels and now even Cuba is no longer on sat TV ..
Was just appreciating how peaceful that place was..
ByeThen looks a lot like a fascist pig to me, he and his cronies.
He plays the masses and you jump and do not even know you are just a puppet. >>>Sanctions here sanctions there, using agents everywhere..
So much fear the US has CREATED, mass murders by US and its 'allies' no end >>>was just reading today about the murders by UK forces in Afghanistan. >>>Human nature, no reason for me to believe US is better than Russia.
One ant heap against the other.
May the best one win (evolution) but radiation after WW3 lasts a long time >>>and US is outnumbered.
That's generous. Include East Germany too. And Poland, the classic >>>>european play-toy.
I bet Putin lusts after both. We cound donate Alaska.
You are in no position to donate anything, your country is bankrupt, fort Knox is empty.
Is that why millions of people emigrate, legally and illegally, to the
US every year?
All you have left is what you stole from others.
Not stole, gave. We rebuilt Europe and Japan.
Stole from the Native Americans
nuked Hiroshima and Nagasaki
making wars in Europe
Jan Panteltje wrote:
Stole from the Native Americans
Natives are welcome to return to being hunter-gatherers living in
tents with no electricity, no jeeps, no horses, no guns, no medicine,
no written language, and no internet. Then they could possibly find
someone from another tribe to torture, in the traditional manner.
Few seem to make that choice.
On Tuesday, July 12, 2022 at 11:21:07 PM UTC-7, Jan Panteltje wrote:
On a sunny day (Tue, 12 Jul 2022 09:13:23 -0700) it happened
jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote in
<a67rchhsbngehtmf4...@4ax.com>:
On Tue, 12 Jul 2022 15:29:10 GMT, Jan Panteltje
<pNaonSt...@yahoo.com> wrote:
You are in no position to donate anything, your country is bankrupt, fort Knox is empty.
Is that why millions of people emigrate, legally and illegally, to the
US every year?
All you have left is what you stole from others.
Not stole, gave. We rebuilt Europe and Japan.
Stole from the Native Americans
... negotiated a bunch of privileges for them as well; fishing rights are still being negotiated,
because dams are both water resources and encroachments on obligatory rights-to-fish
nuked Hiroshima and Nagasaki
not without provocation
making wars in Europe
no, rather joining them when the Atlantic became a battlefield (according to >some hisorians)
Vietnam agent Orange
Poisoning our own soldiers with a pesticide? Relevance?
Iraq depleted uranium
Antitank weaponry used appropriately... no issue there, just minor waste cleanup
Afhanistan mass murder by drones
No, selectivity rather than area weaponry.
Iran sanctions stealing money and fuel
Huh? Iran first looted our embasssy, kept our diplomats as hostages, a clear act of war.
Try google for US regime change since WW2
Nothing in such a list really compares with, for a modern
example, the ongoing invasion in Ukraine. Mostly, it was when we were all infants.
Biggest regime change during that period, was Mao in China; no US involvement >to speak of.
Native Americans
And US then did nuke tests on their land
Right of the strongest?
But with a dropping IQ below 75 as you confirm here
other countries being above 100 will be stronger.
Planet of the apes, I remember that shot of the statute of
glibbery laying in the sand.
And then US created HIV, killed many many people,
and recently Dr Faulty (or whatever his name was)
financed
creating covid
and that backfired too and killed millions.
jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
Jan Panteltje wrote:
<snip>
Stole from the Native Americans
Natives are welcome to return to being hunter-gatherers living in
tents with no electricity, no jeeps, no horses, no guns, no medicine,
no written language, and no internet. Then they could possibly find
someone from another tribe to torture, in the traditional manner.
Few seem to make that choice.
Take a look at this picture, John. It illustrates how Warren Buffett's
greed takes precedence over the Fort Laramie Treaty.
<https://d3oj2y7irryo5z.cloudfront.net/wp-content/uploads/2016/12/STANDING-ROCK19.jpg>
The civilians are indigenous people at Standing Rock Indian Reservation. >Warren Buffett sent in outsiders, the uniformed quasi-military force, to >protect his financial interests.
Danke,
Iran sanctions stealing money and fuelHuh? Iran first looted our embasssy, kept our diplomats as hostages, a clear act of war.
Try google for US regime change since WW2Nothing in such a list really compares with, for a modern
example, the ongoing invasion in Ukraine. Mostly, it was when we were all infants.
Biggest regime change during that period, was Mao in China; no US involvement to speak of.
Don wrote:
jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
Jan Panteltje wrote:
<snip>
Stole from the Native Americans
Natives are welcome to return to being hunter-gatherers living in
tents with no electricity, no jeeps, no horses, no guns, no medicine,
no written language, and no internet. Then they could possibly find
someone from another tribe to torture, in the traditional manner.
Few seem to make that choice.
Take a look at this picture, John. It illustrates how Warren Buffett's >>greed takes precedence over the Fort Laramie Treaty.
<https://d3oj2y7irryo5z.cloudfront.net/wp-content/uploads/2016/12/STANDING-RO CK19.jpg>
The civilians are indigenous people at Standing Rock Indian Reservation. >>Warren Buffett sent in outsiders, the uniformed quasi-military force, to >>protect his financial interests.
Danke,
Water spray is rarely lethal.
Are those Indigenous Peoples being hosed down? Dressed in jeans and
tee shirts and running shoes and baseball caps?
https://www.culturalsurvival.org/news/standing-rock-sioux-defend-their-water-lands-fight-against-dakota-access-pipeline?gclid=EAIaIQobChMIxpHujpv2-AIVzTytBh0dtAhiEAAYASAAEgLoQ_D_BwE
I assume those natives abstain from using any fossil fuels that they
don't gather themselves by hand. I guess they all walked to the
protest.
Interesting Native American name, Dave Archambault.
On a sunny day (Wed, 13 Jul 2022 01:00:04 -0700 (PDT)) it happened whit3rd <whit3rd@gmail.com> wrote in <62706c9e-b801-47da-b1c1-91defd323cf9n@googlegroups.com>:
On Tuesday, July 12, 2022 at 11:21:07 PM UTC-7, Jan Panteltje wrote:
On a sunny day (Tue, 12 Jul 2022 09:13:23 -0700) it happened
jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote in
<a67rchhsbngehtmf4...@4ax.com>:
On Tue, 12 Jul 2022 15:29:10 GMT, Jan Panteltje
<pNaonSt...@yahoo.com> wrote:
You are in no position to donate anything, your country is bankrupt, fort Knox is empty.
Is that why millions of people emigrate, legally and illegally, to the >>>> US every year?
All you have left is what you stole from others.
Not stole, gave. We rebuilt Europe and Japan.
Stole from the Native Americans
... negotiated a bunch of privileges for them as well; fishing rights are still being negotiated,
because dams are both water resources and encroachments on obligatory rights-to-fish
nuked Hiroshima and Nagasaki
not without provocation
making wars in Europe
no, rather joining them when the Atlantic became a battlefield (according to >> some hisorians)
Vietnam agent Orange
Poisoning our own soldiers with a pesticide? Relevance?
Iraq depleted uranium
Antitank weaponry used appropriately... no issue there, just minor waste cleanup
Afhanistan mass murder by drones
No, selectivity rather than area weaponry.
Iran sanctions stealing money and fuel
Huh? Iran first looted our embasssy, kept our diplomats as hostages, a clear act of war.
Try google for US regime change since WW2
Nothing in such a list really compares with, for a modern
example, the ongoing invasion in Ukraine. Mostly, it was when we were all infants.
Biggest regime change during that period, was Mao in China; no US involvement
to speak of.
And then US created HIV, killed many many people,
and recently Dr Faulty (or whatever his name was) financed creating covid and that backfired too and killed millions.
On a sunny day (Wed, 13 Jul 2022 01:00:04 -0700 (PDT)) it happened whit3rd <whi...@gmail.com> wrote in
<62706c9e-b801-47da...@googlegroups.com>:
On Tuesday, July 12, 2022 at 11:21:07 PM UTC-7, Jan Panteltje wrote:
Try google for US regime change since WW2
Nothing in such a list really compares with, for a modern
example, the ongoing invasion in Ukraine. Mostly, it was when we were all infants.
Biggest regime change during that period, was Mao in China; no US involvement
to speak of.
And then US created HIV, killed many many people,
and recently Dr Faulty (or whatever his name was) financed creating covid and that backfired too and killed millions.
On a sunny day (Mon, 11 Jul 2022 16:30:13 -0700) it happened John Larkin ><jlarkin@highland_atwork_technology.com> wrote in ><rgcpchl8hbtbbcgs9c7vithf2qi8vggheu@4ax.com>:
On Mon, 11 Jul 2022 14:49:37 -0700 (PDT), a a <manta103g@gmail.com>
wrote:
Lidar is an old fake
You are determined to be both ignorant and offensive, and to not say
much about electronics.
He gave some good reasons pointing lasers at the public is a bad idea
most can be done better and safer with cameras.
On Tue, 12 Jul 2022 05:36:35 GMT, Jan Panteltjeyou are not correct
<pNaonSt...@yahoo.com> wrote:
On a sunny day (Mon, 11 Jul 2022 16:30:13 -0700) it happened John Larkin ><jlarkin@highland_atwork_technology.com> wrote in ><rgcpchl8hbtbbcgs9...@4ax.com>:
On Mon, 11 Jul 2022 14:49:37 -0700 (PDT), a a <mant...@gmail.com>
wrote:
Lidar is an old fake
You are determined to be both ignorant and offensive, and to not say
much about electronics.
He gave some good reasons pointing lasers at the public is a bad ideaThe laser emission angle is 29 degrees, no worst than an LED. If it's
most can be done better and safer with cameras.
pulsed, I'd expect the average optical power to be microwatts.
--
If a man will begin with certainties, he shall end with doubts,
but if he will be content to begin with doubts he shall end in certainties. Francis Bacon
On Wednesday, 13 July 2022 at 23:54:04 UTC+2, John Larkin wrote:
On Tue, 12 Jul 2022 05:36:35 GMT, Jan Panteltjeyou are not correct
<pNaonSt...@yahoo.com> wrote:
On a sunny day (Mon, 11 Jul 2022 16:30:13 -0700) it happened John LarkinThe laser emission angle is 29 degrees, no worst than an LED. If it's
<jlarkin@highland_atwork_technology.com> wrote in
<rgcpchl8hbtbbcgs9...@4ax.com>:
On Mon, 11 Jul 2022 14:49:37 -0700 (PDT), a a <mant...@gmail.com>
wrote:
Lidar is an old fake
You are determined to be both ignorant and offensive, and to not say
much about electronics.
He gave some good reasons pointing lasers at the public is a bad idea
most can be done better and safer with cameras.
pulsed, I'd expect the average optical power to be microwatts.
--
If a man will begin with certainties, he shall end with doubts,
but if he will be content to begin with doubts he shall end in certainties. >> Francis Bacon
it doesn't matter pulsed or not,
laser beam should never been directed at eyes of people
On Wed, 13 Jul 2022 15:50:28 -0700 (PDT), a a <manta103g@gmail.com>
wrote:
On Wednesday, 13 July 2022 at 23:54:04 UTC+2, John Larkin wrote:
On Tue, 12 Jul 2022 05:36:35 GMT, Jan Panteltjeyou are not correct
<pNaonSt...@yahoo.com> wrote:
On a sunny day (Mon, 11 Jul 2022 16:30:13 -0700) it happened John Larkin >>> ><jlarkin@highland_atwork_technology.com> wrote inThe laser emission angle is 29 degrees, no worst than an LED. If it's
<rgcpchl8hbtbbcgs9...@4ax.com>:
On Mon, 11 Jul 2022 14:49:37 -0700 (PDT), a a <mant...@gmail.com>
wrote:
Lidar is an old fake
You are determined to be both ignorant and offensive, and to not say
much about electronics.
He gave some good reasons pointing lasers at the public is a bad idea
most can be done better and safer with cameras.
pulsed, I'd expect the average optical power to be microwatts.
--
If a man will begin with certainties, he shall end with doubts,
but if he will be content to begin with doubts he shall end in certainties. >>> Francis Bacon
it doesn't matter pulsed or not,
laser beam should never been directed at eyes of people
Except that this is hardly a beam; it's a wide fan. Just because it's
a laser doesn't make it dangerous. Power density makes light
dangerous.
I don't think ST would sell it if it's dangerous.
Around here, we have swarms of Waymo cars that have spinning lidar
things all over them. I bet they are 1000x as powerful as that tiny ST
brick.
.<https://s.hdnux.com/photos/01/21/71/20/21468178/3/1200x0.jpg>
Once in a while we even see a giant thermonuclear light source in the
sky. I hear it can be dangerous to look at.
On Wed, 13 Jul 2022 16:41:47 -0700, John Larkin ><jlarkin@highland_atwork_technology.com> wrote:
.<https://www.digikey.com/en/products/detail/stmicroelectronics/VL53L4CXV0DH-1/16123777>
On Wed, 13 Jul 2022 15:50:28 -0700 (PDT), a a <manta103g@gmail.com>
wrote:
On Wednesday, 13 July 2022 at 23:54:04 UTC+2, John Larkin wrote:
On Tue, 12 Jul 2022 05:36:35 GMT, Jan Panteltjeyou are not correct
<pNaonSt...@yahoo.com> wrote:
On a sunny day (Mon, 11 Jul 2022 16:30:13 -0700) it happened John Larkin >>>> ><jlarkin@highland_atwork_technology.com> wrote inThe laser emission angle is 29 degrees, no worst than an LED. If it's
<rgcpchl8hbtbbcgs9...@4ax.com>:
On Mon, 11 Jul 2022 14:49:37 -0700 (PDT), a a <mant...@gmail.com>
wrote:
Lidar is an old fake
You are determined to be both ignorant and offensive, and to not say >>>> >>much about electronics.
He gave some good reasons pointing lasers at the public is a bad idea >>>> >most can be done better and safer with cameras.
pulsed, I'd expect the average optical power to be microwatts.
--
If a man will begin with certainties, he shall end with doubts,
but if he will be content to begin with doubts he shall end in certainties.
Francis Bacon
it doesn't matter pulsed or not,
laser beam should never been directed at eyes of people
Except that this is hardly a beam; it's a wide fan. Just because it's
a laser doesn't make it dangerous. Power density makes light
dangerous.
I don't think ST would sell it if it's dangerous.
Around here, we have swarms of Waymo cars that have spinning lidar
things all over them. I bet they are 1000x as powerful as that tiny ST >>brick.
.<https://s.hdnux.com/photos/01/21/71/20/21468178/3/1200x0.jpg>
Once in a while we even see a giant thermonuclear light source in the
sky. I hear it can be dangerous to look at.
I bet that lidar unit meets the same eye safety requirements as for an >ordinary laser pointer or fiber optic IR communications laser.
Otherwise, ST would have to jump through impossible hoops.
Looked at the VL53L4CX datasheet. See Chapter 8 (Laser safety >considerations): IEC 60825-1:2014 (third edition). Meets Class I
safety, which means no restrictions, even without eye protection.
Joe Gwinn
jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
Don wrote:CK19.jpg>
jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
Jan Panteltje wrote:
<snip>
Stole from the Native Americans
Natives are welcome to return to being hunter-gatherers living in
tents with no electricity, no jeeps, no horses, no guns, no medicine,
no written language, and no internet. Then they could possibly find
someone from another tribe to torture, in the traditional manner.
Few seem to make that choice.
Take a look at this picture, John. It illustrates how Warren Buffett's >>>greed takes precedence over the Fort Laramie Treaty.
<https://d3oj2y7irryo5z.cloudfront.net/wp-content/uploads/2016/12/STANDING-RO
The civilians are indigenous people at Standing Rock Indian Reservation. >>>Warren Buffett sent in outsiders, the uniformed quasi-military force, to >>>protect his financial interests.
Danke,
Water spray is rarely lethal.
Are those Indigenous Peoples being hosed down? Dressed in jeans and
tee shirts and running shoes and baseball caps?
https://www.culturalsurvival.org/news/standing-rock-sioux-defend-their-water-lands-fight-against-dakota-access-pipeline?gclid=EAIaIQobChMIxpHujpv2-AIVzTytBh0dtAhiEAAYASAAEgLoQ_D_BwE
I assume those natives abstain from using any fossil fuels that they
don't gather themselves by hand. I guess they all walked to the
protest.
Interesting Native American name, Dave Archambault.
Two wrongs don't make a right. You need to offer me something more than
non sequitors if you want to convince me to change my mind about how the
Fort Laramie Treaty was trumped by Warren Buffett's greed.
https://www.digikey.com/en/products/detail/stmicroelectronics/VL53L4CXV0DH-1/16123777
I think that gets really cheap in volume. I'm impressed.
These guys used one of our delay generators when they did their
development.
On Tue, 12 Jul 2022 10:52:16 -0600, rbowman <bow...@montana.com> wrote:
On 07/12/2022 10:13 AM, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
Is that why millions of people emigrate, legally and illegally, to the US every year?
It's a step up from Haiti...
Actually, we get a lot of immigrants from Europe too. And Asia. San Francisco is 34% Asian.
What the US has always stolen is the world's best brainpower.
On Wednesday, 13 July 2022 at 23:54:04 UTC+2, John Larkin wrote:
On Tue, 12 Jul 2022 05:36:35 GMT, Jan Panteltjeyou are not correct
<pNaonSt...@yahoo.com> wrote:
On a sunny day (Mon, 11 Jul 2022 16:30:13 -0700) it happenedThe laser emission angle is 29 degrees, no worst than an LED. If
John Larkin <jlarkin@highland_atwork_technology.com> wrote in
<rgcpchl8hbtbbcgs9...@4ax.com>:
On Mon, 11 Jul 2022 14:49:37 -0700 (PDT), a a
<mant...@gmail.com> wrote:
Lidar is an old fake
You are determined to be both ignorant and offensive, and to
not say much about electronics.
He gave some good reasons pointing lasers at the public is a bad
idea most can be done better and safer with cameras.
it's pulsed, I'd expect the average optical power to be
microwatts. --
If a man will begin with certainties, he shall end with doubts,
but if he will be content to begin with doubts he shall end in
certainties. Francis Bacon
it doesn't matter pulsed or not,
laser beam should never been directed at eyes of people
Use of Lidar should be banned in crowded environments world-wide
On Wed, 13 Jul 2022 16:41:47 -0700, John Larkin <jlarkin@highland_atwork_technology.com> wrote:
.<https://www.digikey.com/en/products/detail/stmicroelectronics/VL5 3L4CXV0DH-1/16123777>
On Wed, 13 Jul 2022 15:50:28 -0700 (PDT), a a
<manta103g@gmail.com> wrote:
On Wednesday, 13 July 2022 at 23:54:04 UTC+2, John Larkin wrote:
On Tue, 12 Jul 2022 05:36:35 GMT, Jan Panteltjeyou are not correct
<pNaonSt...@yahoo.com> wrote:
On a sunny day (Mon, 11 Jul 2022 16:30:13 -0700) it happenedThe laser emission angle is 29 degrees, no worst than an LED.
John Larkin <jlarkin@highland_atwork_technology.com> wrote in
<rgcpchl8hbtbbcgs9...@4ax.com>:
On Mon, 11 Jul 2022 14:49:37 -0700 (PDT), a a
<mant...@gmail.com> wrote:
Lidar is an old fake
You are determined to be both ignorant and offensive, and to
not say much about electronics.
He gave some good reasons pointing lasers at the public is a
bad idea most can be done better and safer with cameras.
If it's pulsed, I'd expect the average optical power to be
microwatts. --
If a man will begin with certainties, he shall end with doubts,
but if he will be content to begin with doubts he shall end in
certainties. Francis Bacon
it doesn't matter pulsed or not,
laser beam should never been directed at eyes of people
Except that this is hardly a beam; it's a wide fan. Just because
it's a laser doesn't make it dangerous. Power density makes light >>dangerous.
I don't think ST would sell it if it's dangerous.
Around here, we have swarms of Waymo cars that have spinning lidar
things all over them. I bet they are 1000x as powerful as that
tiny ST brick.
.<https://s.hdnux.com/photos/01/21/71/20/21468178/3/1200x0.jpg>
Once in a while we even see a giant thermonuclear light source in
the sky. I hear it can be dangerous to look at.
I bet that lidar unit meets the same eye safety requirements as
for an ordinary laser pointer or fiber optic IR communications
laser. Otherwise, ST would have to jump through impossible hoops.
Looked at the VL53L4CX datasheet. See Chapter 8 (Laser safety considerations): IEC 60825-1:2014 (third edition). Meets Class I
safety, which means no restrictions, even without eye protection.
Joe Gwinn
John Larkin wrote:
Jan Panteltje wrote:
John Larkin wrote:
a a wrote:
Lidar is an old fake
You are determined to be both ignorant and offensive, and to not say
much about electronics.
He gave some good reasons pointing lasers at the public is a bad idea
most can be done better and safer with cameras.
The laser emission angle is 29 degrees, no worst than an LED. If it's
pulsed, I'd expect the average optical power to be microwatts.
you are not correct
it doesn't matter pulsed or not,
laser beam should never been directed at eyes of people
a a <mant...@gmail.com> wrote:use of lasers in crowdy environments is banned
John Larkin wrote:
Jan Panteltje wrote:
John Larkin wrote:
a a wrote:
Lidar is an old fake
You are determined to be both ignorant and offensive, and to not say >> >> much about electronics.
He gave some good reasons pointing lasers at the public is a bad idea >> > most can be done better and safer with cameras.
My ophthalmologist does conventional surgery. He also regularly uses aThe laser emission angle is 29 degrees, no worst than an LED. If it'syou are not correct
pulsed, I'd expect the average optical power to be microwatts.
it doesn't matter pulsed or not,
laser beam should never been directed at eyes of people
laser beam on certain patient's eyes.
One of multiple uses of a laser beam directed at the eyes of people is for cutting stitches after a Trabeculectomy. Somehow the laser cuts the stitch without damaging tissue on the way there. Doesn't even hurt.
On Wed, 13 Jul 2022 20:03:57 -0400, Joe Gwinn <joegwinn@comcast.net>
wrote:
On Wed, 13 Jul 2022 16:41:47 -0700, John Larkin >><jlarkin@highland_atwork_technology.com> wrote:
.<https://www.digikey.com/en/products/detail/stmicroelectronics/VL53L4CXV0DH-1/16123777>
On Wed, 13 Jul 2022 15:50:28 -0700 (PDT), a a <manta103g@gmail.com> >>>wrote:
On Wednesday, 13 July 2022 at 23:54:04 UTC+2, John Larkin wrote:
On Tue, 12 Jul 2022 05:36:35 GMT, Jan Panteltjeyou are not correct
<pNaonSt...@yahoo.com> wrote:
On a sunny day (Mon, 11 Jul 2022 16:30:13 -0700) it happened John Larkin >>>>> ><jlarkin@highland_atwork_technology.com> wrote inThe laser emission angle is 29 degrees, no worst than an LED. If it's >>>>> pulsed, I'd expect the average optical power to be microwatts.
<rgcpchl8hbtbbcgs9...@4ax.com>:
On Mon, 11 Jul 2022 14:49:37 -0700 (PDT), a a <mant...@gmail.com>
wrote:
Lidar is an old fake
You are determined to be both ignorant and offensive, and to not say >>>>> >>much about electronics.
He gave some good reasons pointing lasers at the public is a bad idea >>>>> >most can be done better and safer with cameras.
--
If a man will begin with certainties, he shall end with doubts,
but if he will be content to begin with doubts he shall end in certainties.
Francis Bacon
it doesn't matter pulsed or not,
laser beam should never been directed at eyes of people
Except that this is hardly a beam; it's a wide fan. Just because it's
a laser doesn't make it dangerous. Power density makes light
dangerous.
I don't think ST would sell it if it's dangerous.
Around here, we have swarms of Waymo cars that have spinning lidar
things all over them. I bet they are 1000x as powerful as that tiny ST >>>brick.
.<https://s.hdnux.com/photos/01/21/71/20/21468178/3/1200x0.jpg>
Once in a while we even see a giant thermonuclear light source in the >>>sky. I hear it can be dangerous to look at.
I bet that lidar unit meets the same eye safety requirements as for an >>ordinary laser pointer or fiber optic IR communications laser.
Otherwise, ST would have to jump through impossible hoops.
Looked at the VL53L4CX datasheet. See Chapter 8 (Laser safety >>considerations): IEC 60825-1:2014 (third edition). Meets Class I
safety, which means no restrictions, even without eye protection.
Joe Gwinn
I wonder if it's pulsed. It has picosecond distance resolution so any
laser pulses would have to be very short, hence low power.
a a <manta103g@gmail.com> wrote:
John Larkin wrote:
Jan Panteltje wrote:
John Larkin wrote:
a a wrote:
Lidar is an old fake
You are determined to be both ignorant and offensive, and to not say
much about electronics.
He gave some good reasons pointing lasers at the public is a bad idea
most can be done better and safer with cameras.
The laser emission angle is 29 degrees, no worst than an LED. If it's
pulsed, I'd expect the average optical power to be microwatts.
you are not correct
it doesn't matter pulsed or not,
laser beam should never been directed at eyes of people
My ophthalmologist does conventional surgery. He also regularly uses a
laser beam on certain patient's eyes.
One of multiple uses of a laser beam directed at the eyes of people is for >cutting stitches after a Trabeculectomy. Somehow the laser cuts the stitch >without damaging tissue on the way there. Doesn't even hurt.
On Wednesday, July 13, 2022 at 7:56:21 AM UTC-7, Jan Panteltje wrote:
On a sunny day (Wed, 13 Jul 2022 01:00:04 -0700 (PDT)) it happened whit3rd >> <whi...@gmail.com> wrote in
<62706c9e-b801-47da...@googlegroups.com>:
On Tuesday, July 12, 2022 at 11:21:07 PM UTC-7, Jan Panteltje wrote:
Try google for US regime change since WW2
Nothing in such a list really compares with, for a modern
example, the ongoing invasion in Ukraine. Mostly, it was when we were all infants.
Biggest regime change during that period, was Mao in China; no US involvement
to speak of.
And then US created HIV, killed many many people,
That fails any kind of reality check.
and recently Dr Faulty (or whatever his name was) financed creating covid and that backfired too and killed millions.
... which also fails a number of reality checks. Dr. Fauci, for instance, was clearly at work on the wrong
continent to connect with the outbreak. A hundred more conspiracy rumors can be found, or created,
but ought not command our respect either.
RationalWiki calls this sort of thing a Gish Gallop. <https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Gish_Gallop>
On Wednesday, July 13, 2022 at 7:56:21 AM UTC-7, Jan Panteltje wrote:
On a sunny day (Wed, 13 Jul 2022 01:00:04 -0700 (PDT)) it happened whit3rd >> <whi...@gmail.com> wrote in
<62706c9e-b801-47da...@googlegroups.com>:
On Tuesday, July 12, 2022 at 11:21:07 PM UTC-7, Jan Panteltje wrote:
Try google for US regime change since WW2
Nothing in such a list really compares with, for a modern
example, the ongoing invasion in Ukraine. Mostly, it was when we were all infants.
Biggest regime change during that period, was Mao in China; no US involvement
to speak of.
And then US created HIV, killed many many people,
That fails any kind of reality check.
whit3rd wrote:
On Wednesday, July 13, 2022 at 7:56:21 AM UTC-7, Jan Panteltje wrote:
On a sunny day (Wed, 13 Jul 2022 01:00:04 -0700 (PDT)) it happened whit3rd
<whi...@gmail.com> wrote in
<62706c9e-b801-47da...@googlegroups.com>:
On Tuesday, July 12, 2022 at 11:21:07 PM UTC-7, Jan Panteltje wrote:
Try google for US regime change since WW2
Nothing in such a list really compares with, for a modern
example, the ongoing invasion in Ukraine. Mostly, it was when we were all infants.
Biggest regime change during that period, was Mao in China; no US involvement
to speak of.
And then US created HIV, killed many many people,
That fails any kind of reality check.
and recently Dr Faulty (or whatever his name was) financed creating covid and that backfired too and killed millions.
... which also fails a number of reality checks. Dr. Fauci, for instance, was clearly at work on the wrong
continent to connect with the outbreak. A hundred more conspiracy rumors can be found, or created,
but ought not command our respect either.
RationalWiki calls this sort of thing a Gish Gallop. <https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Gish_Gallop>
Guys, Jan is just winding you up. He does it all the time. Try teasing
him back about cheese, or mud, or little boys with their fingers in
dikes, or, wrongheaded environmental regulations that are going to cause starvation overseas--you know, the stuff Holland is famous for. ;)
Edward Hernandez Loves Porn wrote:
My ophthalmologist does conventional surgery. He also regularly uses a
laser beam on certain patient's eyes.
One of multiple uses of a laser beam directed at the eyes of people is
for cutting stitches after a Trabeculectomy. Somehow the laser cuts the
stitch without damaging tissue on the way there. Doesn't even hurt.
After cataract surgery, I got a "secondary cataract", namely clouding
of the rear part of the lens capsule. My doc sawed a hole in the center
part of the capsule with a YAG laser. That took a few minutes. He left
some ragged edges that scattered light, so another guy trimmed that
later.
I also had my retina lasered to make scar tissue dots, to keep it welded
to the back of my eyeball; my retinas tend to tear and detach, so that
helps.
I have to do the cataract surgery and retina repair/vitrectomy to my
other eye soon. I'll ask them to spot weld that one too.
So far, all this eye lasering works great and is quick and painless.
jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
Edward Hernandez Loves Porn wrote:
My ophthalmologist does conventional surgery. He also regularly uses a
laser beam on certain patient's eyes.
One of multiple uses of a laser beam directed at the eyes of people is
for cutting stitches after a Trabeculectomy. Somehow the laser cuts the
stitch without damaging tissue on the way there. Doesn't even hurt.
After cataract surgery, I got a "secondary cataract", namely clouding
of the rear part of the lens capsule. My doc sawed a hole in the center part of the capsule with a YAG laser. That took a few minutes. He left
some ragged edges that scattered light, so another guy trimmed that
later.
I also had my retina lasered to make scar tissue dots, to keep it welded
to the back of my eyeball; my retinas tend to tear and detach, so that helps.
I have to do the cataract surgery and retina repair/vitrectomy to my
other eye soon. I'll ask them to spot weld that one too.
So far, all this eye lasering works great and is quick and painless.
Does anybody know how the laser beam energy is concentrated at a specific distance from the laser, so the beam doesn't damage tissue on the way to
that point?
Do they adjust the frequency so that it operates only on the material of interest?
Neat stuff.
whit3rd wrote:
On Wednesday, July 13, 2022 at 7:56:21 AM UTC-7, Jan Panteltje wrote:
On a sunny day (Wed, 13 Jul 2022 01:00:04 -0700 (PDT)) it happened
whit3rd
<whi...@gmail.com> wrote in
<62706c9e-b801-47da...@googlegroups.com>:
On Tuesday, July 12, 2022 at 11:21:07 PM UTC-7, Jan Panteltje wrote:
Try google for US regime change since WW2
Nothing in such a list really compares with, for a modern
example, the ongoing invasion in Ukraine. Mostly, it was when we
were all infants.
Biggest regime change during that period, was Mao in China; no US
involvement
to speak of.
And then US created HIV, killed many many people,
That fails any kind of reality check.
and recently Dr Faulty (or whatever his name was) financed creating
covid and that backfired too and killed millions.
... which also fails a number of reality checks.  Dr. Fauci, for
instance, was clearly at work on the wrong
continent to connect with the outbreak.  A hundred more conspiracy
rumors can be found, or created,
but ought not command our respect either.
RationalWiki calls this sort of thing a Gish Gallop.
<https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Gish_Gallop>
Guys, Jan is just winding you up. He does it all the time. Try teasing him back about cheese, or mud, or little boys with their fingers in
dikes, or, wrongheaded environmental regulations that are going to cause starvation overseas--you know, the stuff Holland is famous for. ;)
Cheers
Phil Hobbs
On Friday, July 15, 2022 at 7:28:58 PM UTC+10, Edward Hernandez Smells Funny wrote:
jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
Edward Hernandez Loves Porn wrote:
My ophthalmologist does conventional surgery. He also regularly uses a >>>> laser beam on certain patient's eyes.
One of multiple uses of a laser beam directed at the eyes of people is >>>> for cutting stitches after a Trabeculectomy. Somehow the laser cuts the >>>> stitch without damaging tissue on the way there. Doesn't even hurt.
After cataract surgery, I got a "secondary cataract", namely clouding
of the rear part of the lens capsule. My doc sawed a hole in the center
part of the capsule with a YAG laser. That took a few minutes. He left
some ragged edges that scattered light, so another guy trimmed that
later.
I also had my retina lasered to make scar tissue dots, to keep it welded >>> to the back of my eyeball; my retinas tend to tear and detach, so that
helps.
I have to do the cataract surgery and retina repair/vitrectomy to my
other eye soon. I'll ask them to spot weld that one too.
So far, all this eye lasering works great and is quick and painless.
Does anybody know how the laser beam energy is concentrated at a specific
distance from the laser, so the beam doesn't damage tissue on the way to
that point?
It could be a focussing lens, but the aqueous and vitreous humors are transparent (as they have to be for the eye to work) so not a lot of the laser energy would get deposited there anyway.
Do they adjust the frequency so that it operates only on the material of interest?
They may select the lasing medium (and any frequency multiplication that they may go in for) with a view to getting an effective frequency at the targetted point, but tweaking a laser frequency isn't all that easy
Neat stuff.
Neater than it used to be.
On 7/14/2022 19:22, Phil Hobbs wrote:
whit3rd wrote:
On Wednesday, July 13, 2022 at 7:56:21 AM UTC-7, Jan Panteltje wrote:
On a sunny day (Wed, 13 Jul 2022 01:00:04 -0700 (PDT)) it happened
whit3rd
<whi...@gmail.com> wrote in
<62706c9e-b801-47da...@googlegroups.com>:
On Tuesday, July 12, 2022 at 11:21:07 PM UTC-7, Jan Panteltje wrote:
Try google for US regime change since WW2
Nothing in such a list really compares with, for a modern
example, the ongoing invasion in Ukraine. Mostly, it was when we
were all infants.
Biggest regime change during that period, was Mao in China; no US
involvement
to speak of.
And then US created HIV, killed many many people,
That fails any kind of reality check.
and recently Dr Faulty (or whatever his name was) financed creating
covid and that backfired too and killed millions.
... which also fails a number of reality checks. Dr. Fauci, for
instance, was clearly at work on the wrong
continent to connect with the outbreak. A hundred more conspiracy
rumors can be found, or created,
but ought not command our respect either.
RationalWiki calls this sort of thing a Gish Gallop.
<https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Gish_Gallop>
Guys, Jan is just winding you up. He does it all the time. Try teasing
him back about cheese, or mud, or little boys with their fingers in
dikes, or, wrongheaded environmental regulations that are going to cause
starvation overseas--you know, the stuff Holland is famous for. ;)
Cheers
Phil Hobbs
I don't think he is. I know other people who follow/sympathize with the >Russian media bullshit and they all seriously believe all that nonsense.
In fact you won't believe how far it goes, I know a guy - an engineer, >technical support on the nuclear power plant here - who genuinely
believes that and more - e.g. that the moon landings were just a fake,
*all* sorts of utter nonsense. And he is far from alone, many of the
people in his working environment are no better.
I know how ludicrous this all sounds to a sane person but there seems
to be some sort of mental illness making plenty of people prone to
the ridiculous Russian propaganda (if you could understand Russian
and listened to it for 5 minutes the effect on you would be
literally jaw dropping, yet plenty of people fall for it).
jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
Edward Hernandez Loves Porn wrote:
My ophthalmologist does conventional surgery. He also regularly uses a
laser beam on certain patient's eyes.
One of multiple uses of a laser beam directed at the eyes of people is
for cutting stitches after a Trabeculectomy. Somehow the laser cuts the
stitch without damaging tissue on the way there. Doesn't even hurt.
After cataract surgery, I got a "secondary cataract", namely clouding
of the rear part of the lens capsule. My doc sawed a hole in the center
part of the capsule with a YAG laser. That took a few minutes. He left
some ragged edges that scattered light, so another guy trimmed that
later.
I also had my retina lasered to make scar tissue dots, to keep it welded
to the back of my eyeball; my retinas tend to tear and detach, so that
helps.
I have to do the cataract surgery and retina repair/vitrectomy to my
other eye soon. I'll ask them to spot weld that one too.
So far, all this eye lasering works great and is quick and painless.
Does anybody know how the laser beam energy is concentrated at a specific >distance from the laser, so the beam doesn't damage tissue on the way to
that point?
Do they adjust the frequency so that it operates only on the material of >interest?
Neat stuff.
On 7/14/2022 19:22, Phil Hobbs wrote:
whit3rd wrote:
On Wednesday, July 13, 2022 at 7:56:21 AM UTC-7, Jan Panteltje wrote:
On a sunny day (Wed, 13 Jul 2022 01:00:04 -0700 (PDT)) it happened
whit3rd
<whi...@gmail.com> wrote in
<62706c9e-b801-47da...@googlegroups.com>:
On Tuesday, July 12, 2022 at 11:21:07 PM UTC-7, Jan Panteltje wrote:
Try google for US regime change since WW2
Nothing in such a list really compares with, for a modern
example, the ongoing invasion in Ukraine. Mostly, it was when we
were all infants.
Biggest regime change during that period, was Mao in China; no US
involvement
to speak of.
And then US created HIV, killed many many people,
That fails any kind of reality check.
and recently Dr Faulty (or whatever his name was) financed creating
covid and that backfired too and killed millions.
... which also fails a number of reality checks. Dr. Fauci, for
instance, was clearly at work on the wrong
continent to connect with the outbreak. A hundred more conspiracy
rumors can be found, or created,
but ought not command our respect either.
RationalWiki calls this sort of thing a Gish Gallop.
<https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Gish_Gallop>
Guys, Jan is just winding you up. He does it all the time. Try teasing him back about cheese, or mud, or little boys with their fingers in
dikes, or, wrongheaded environmental regulations that are going to cause starvation overseas--you know, the stuff Holland is famous for. ;)
Cheers
Phil HobbsI don't think he is. I know other people who follow/sympathize with the Russian media bullshit and they all seriously believe all that nonsense.
In fact you won't believe how far it goes, I know a guy - an engineer, technical support on the nuclear power plant here - who genuinely
believes that and more - e.g. that the moon landings were just a fake,
*all* sorts of utter nonsense. And he is far from alone, many of the
people in his working environment are no better.
I know how ludicrous this all sounds to a sane person but there seems
to be some sort of mental illness making plenty of people prone to
the ridiculous Russian propaganda (if you could understand Russian
and listened to it for 5 minutes the effect on you would be
literally jaw dropping, yet plenty of people fall for it).
On Fri, 15 Jul 2022 14:27:07 +0300, Dimiter_Popoff <dp@tgi-sci.com>
wrote:
On 7/14/2022 19:22, Phil Hobbs wrote:
whit3rd wrote:
On Wednesday, July 13, 2022 at 7:56:21 AM UTC-7, Jan Panteltje wrote: >>>>> On a sunny day (Wed, 13 Jul 2022 01:00:04 -0700 (PDT)) it happened
whit3rd
<whi...@gmail.com> wrote in
<62706c9e-b801-47da...@googlegroups.com>:
On Tuesday, July 12, 2022 at 11:21:07 PM UTC-7, Jan Panteltje wrote: >>>>
Try google for US regime change since WW2
Nothing in such a list really compares with, for a modern
example, the ongoing invasion in Ukraine. Mostly, it was when we
were all infants.
Biggest regime change during that period, was Mao in China; no US
involvement
to speak of.
And then US created HIV, killed many many people,
That fails any kind of reality check.
and recently Dr Faulty (or whatever his name was) financed creating
covid and that backfired too and killed millions.
... which also fails a number of reality checks.  Dr. Fauci, for
instance, was clearly at work on the wrong
continent to connect with the outbreak.  A hundred more conspiracy
rumors can be found, or created,
but ought not command our respect either.
RationalWiki calls this sort of thing a Gish Gallop.
<https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Gish_Gallop>
Guys, Jan is just winding you up. He does it all the time. Try teasing >>> him back about cheese, or mud, or little boys with their fingers in
dikes, or, wrongheaded environmental regulations that are going to cause >>> starvation overseas--you know, the stuff Holland is famous for. ;)
Cheers
Phil Hobbs
I don't think he is. I know other people who follow/sympathize with the
Russian media bullshit and they all seriously believe all that nonsense.
In fact you won't believe how far it goes, I know a guy - an engineer,
technical support on the nuclear power plant here - who genuinely
believes that and more - e.g. that the moon landings were just a fake,
*all* sorts of utter nonsense. And he is far from alone, many of the
people in his working environment are no better.
I know how ludicrous this all sounds to a sane person but there seems
to be some sort of mental illness making plenty of people prone to
the ridiculous Russian propaganda (if you could understand Russian
and listened to it for 5 minutes the effect on you would be
literally jaw dropping, yet plenty of people fall for it).
I worked in the USSR for a month. It is a very weird place. It would
be great if they could become a prosperous and boring european
country, but I think they are too damaged by their language and
history.
On 7/15/2022 16:31, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
On Fri, 15 Jul 2022 14:27:07 +0300, Dimiter_Popoff <dp@tgi-sci.com>
wrote:
On 7/14/2022 19:22, Phil Hobbs wrote:
whit3rd wrote:
On Wednesday, July 13, 2022 at 7:56:21 AM UTC-7, Jan Panteltje wrote: >>>>>> On a sunny day (Wed, 13 Jul 2022 01:00:04 -0700 (PDT)) it happened >>>>>> whit3rd
<whi...@gmail.com> wrote in
<62706c9e-b801-47da...@googlegroups.com>:
On Tuesday, July 12, 2022 at 11:21:07 PM UTC-7, Jan Panteltje wrote: >>>>>
Try google for US regime change since WW2
Nothing in such a list really compares with, for a modern
example, the ongoing invasion in Ukraine. Mostly, it was when we >>>>>>> were all infants.
Biggest regime change during that period, was Mao in China; no US >>>>>>> involvement
to speak of.
And then US created HIV, killed many many people,
That fails any kind of reality check.
and recently Dr Faulty (or whatever his name was) financed creating >>>>>> covid and that backfired too and killed millions.
... which also fails a number of reality checks. Dr. Fauci, for
instance, was clearly at work on the wrong
continent to connect with the outbreak. A hundred more conspiracy
rumors can be found, or created,
but ought not command our respect either.
RationalWiki calls this sort of thing a Gish Gallop.
<https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Gish_Gallop>
Guys, Jan is just winding you up. He does it all the time. Try teasing >>>> him back about cheese, or mud, or little boys with their fingers in
dikes, or, wrongheaded environmental regulations that are going to cause >>>> starvation overseas--you know, the stuff Holland is famous for. ;)
Cheers
Phil Hobbs
I don't think he is. I know other people who follow/sympathize with the
Russian media bullshit and they all seriously believe all that nonsense. >>> In fact you won't believe how far it goes, I know a guy - an engineer,
technical support on the nuclear power plant here - who genuinely
believes that and more - e.g. that the moon landings were just a fake,
*all* sorts of utter nonsense. And he is far from alone, many of the
people in his working environment are no better.
I know how ludicrous this all sounds to a sane person but there seems
to be some sort of mental illness making plenty of people prone to
the ridiculous Russian propaganda (if you could understand Russian
and listened to it for 5 minutes the effect on you would be
literally jaw dropping, yet plenty of people fall for it).
I worked in the USSR for a month. It is a very weird place. It would
be great if they could become a prosperous and boring european
country, but I think they are too damaged by their language and
history.
Unfortunately you are correct. No such thing as a "normal prosperous
country" in sight. It appears that even the younger generations, those
who were brought up in post soviet times has not evolved much. The
regularity they put some psychopath in the Kremlin with speaks for
itself.
What is puzzling is how people *outside* of the Russian environment >sympathize with the Russian imperial ambitions and believe their
propaganda nonsense.
Part of the reason for such people to exist must be some plain
inferiority complex, they see themselves as having no chance in the
civilized world so they look for the saviour, being fine with one
who would erase the civilization they cannot fit in the way they
would like to.
But may be there is more than that to it, to fall for the *utter
nonsense* of the Russian propaganda takes some sort of a mental
condition.
On 7/14/2022 19:22, Phil Hobbs wrote:
whit3rd wrote:
On Wednesday, July 13, 2022 at 7:56:21 AM UTC-7, Jan Panteltje wrote:
On a sunny day (Wed, 13 Jul 2022 01:00:04 -0700 (PDT)) it happened
whit3rd
<whi...@gmail.com> wrote in
<62706c9e-b801-47da...@googlegroups.com>:
On Tuesday, July 12, 2022 at 11:21:07 PM UTC-7, Jan Panteltje wrote:
Try google for US regime change since WW2
Nothing in such a list really compares with, for a modern
example, the ongoing invasion in Ukraine. Mostly, it was when we
were all infants.
Biggest regime change during that period, was Mao in China; no US
involvement
to speak of.
And then US created HIV, killed many many people,
That fails any kind of reality check.
and recently Dr Faulty (or whatever his name was) financed creating
covid and that backfired too and killed millions.
... which also fails a number of reality checks.  Dr. Fauci, for
instance, was clearly at work on the wrong
continent to connect with the outbreak.  A hundred more conspiracy
rumors can be found, or created,
but ought not command our respect either.
RationalWiki calls this sort of thing a Gish Gallop.
<https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Gish_Gallop>
Guys, Jan is just winding you up. He does it all the time. Try
teasing him back about cheese, or mud, or little boys with their
fingers in dikes, or, wrongheaded environmental regulations that are
going to cause starvation overseas--you know, the stuff Holland is
famous for. ;)
I don't think he is. I know other people who follow/sympathize with the Russian media bullshit and they all seriously believe all that nonsense.
In fact you won't believe how far it goes, I know a guy - an engineer, technical support on the nuclear power plant here - who genuinely
believes that and more - e.g. that the moon landings were just a fake,
*all* sorts of utter nonsense. And he is far from alone, many of the
people in his working environment are no better.
I know how ludicrous this all sounds to a sane person but there seems
to be some sort of mental illness making plenty of people prone to
the ridiculous Russian propaganda (if you could understand Russian
and listened to it for 5 minutes the effect on you would be
literally jaw dropping, yet plenty of people fall for it).
On 7/15/2022 16:31, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:<snip>
On Fri, 15 Jul 2022 14:27:07 +0300, Dimiter_Popoff <dp@tgi-sci.com>
wrote:
I worked in the USSR for a month. It is a very weird place. It would
be great if they could become a prosperous and boring european
country, but I think they are too damaged by their language and
history.
Unfortunately you are correct. No such thing as a "normal prosperous
country" in sight. It appears that even the younger generations, those
who were brought up in post soviet times has not evolved much. The
regularity they put some psychopath in the Kremlin with speaks for
itself.
What is puzzling is how people *outside* of the Russian environment sympathize with the Russian imperial ambitions and believe their
propaganda nonsense.
Part of the reason for such people to exist must be some plain
inferiority complex, they see themselves as having no chance in the
civilized world so they look for the saviour, being fine with one
who would erase the civilization they cannot fit in the way they
would like to.
But may be there is more than that to it, to fall for the *utter
nonsense* of the Russian propaganda takes some sort of a mental
condition.
On Wed, 13 Jul 2022 11:31:05 -0700 (PDT), whit3rd <whit3rd@gmail.com>
wrote:
On Wednesday, July 13, 2022 at 7:56:21 AM UTC-7, Jan Panteltje wrote:
On a sunny day (Wed, 13 Jul 2022 01:00:04 -0700 (PDT)) it happened whit3rd >>> <whi...@gmail.com> wrote in
<62706c9e-b801-47da...@googlegroups.com>:
On Tuesday, July 12, 2022 at 11:21:07 PM UTC-7, Jan Panteltje wrote:
Try google for US regime change since WW2
Nothing in such a list really compares with, for a modern
example, the ongoing invasion in Ukraine. Mostly, it was when we were all infants.
Biggest regime change during that period, was Mao in China; no US involvement
to speak of.
And then US created HIV, killed many many people,
That fails any kind of reality check.
Great book:
https://www.amazon.com/Band-Played-Politics-Epidemic-20th-Anniversary/dp/0312374631/ref=sr_1_1?crid=1MY39G2KTGHC2&keywords=and+the+band+played+on&qid=1657825484&s=books&sprefix=and+the%2Cstripbooks%2C114&sr=1-1
Randy wrote that as he was dying of AIDS.
Dimiter_Popoff wrote:
On 7/14/2022 19:22, Phil Hobbs wrote:
whit3rd wrote:
On Wednesday, July 13, 2022 at 7:56:21 AM UTC-7, Jan Panteltje wrote: >>>>> On a sunny day (Wed, 13 Jul 2022 01:00:04 -0700 (PDT)) it happened
whit3rd
<whi...@gmail.com> wrote in
<62706c9e-b801-47da...@googlegroups.com>:
On Tuesday, July 12, 2022 at 11:21:07 PM UTC-7, Jan Panteltje wrote: >>>>
Try google for US regime change since WW2
Nothing in such a list really compares with, for a modern
example, the ongoing invasion in Ukraine. Mostly, it was when we
were all infants.
Biggest regime change during that period, was Mao in China; no US
involvement
to speak of.
And then US created HIV, killed many many people,
That fails any kind of reality check.
and recently Dr Faulty (or whatever his name was) financed creating
covid and that backfired too and killed millions.
... which also fails a number of reality checks.  Dr. Fauci, for
instance, was clearly at work on the wrong
continent to connect with the outbreak.  A hundred more conspiracy
rumors can be found, or created,
but ought not command our respect either.
RationalWiki calls this sort of thing a Gish Gallop.
<https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Gish_Gallop>
Guys, Jan is just winding you up. He does it all the time. Try
teasing him back about cheese, or mud, or little boys with their
fingers in dikes, or, wrongheaded environmental regulations that are
going to cause starvation overseas--you know, the stuff Holland is
famous for. ;)
I don't think he is. I know other people who follow/sympathize with the
Russian media bullshit and they all seriously believe all that nonsense.
In fact you won't believe how far it goes, I know a guy - an engineer,
technical support on the nuclear power plant here - who genuinely
believes that and more - e.g. that the moon landings were just a fake,
*all* sorts of utter nonsense. And he is far from alone, many of the
people in his working environment are no better.
I know how ludicrous this all sounds to a sane person but there seems
to be some sort of mental illness making plenty of people prone to
the ridiculous Russian propaganda (if you could understand Russian
and listened to it for 5 minutes the effect on you would be
literally jaw dropping, yet plenty of people fall for it).
He does it about other stuff too. Jan has a puckish sense of humor as
well as many strong opinions, and posts enough sane and reasonable
on-topic stuff that he gets taken seriously.
Cheers
Phil Hobbs
On 7/15/2022 19:35, Phil Hobbs wrote:
Dimiter_Popoff wrote:
On 7/14/2022 19:22, Phil Hobbs wrote:
whit3rd wrote:
On Wednesday, July 13, 2022 at 7:56:21 AM UTC-7, Jan Panteltje wrote: >>>>>> On a sunny day (Wed, 13 Jul 2022 01:00:04 -0700 (PDT)) it happened >>>>>> whit3rd
<whi...@gmail.com> wrote in
<62706c9e-b801-47da...@googlegroups.com>:
On Tuesday, July 12, 2022 at 11:21:07 PM UTC-7, Jan Panteltje wrote: >>>>>
Try google for US regime change since WW2
Nothing in such a list really compares with, for a modern
example, the ongoing invasion in Ukraine. Mostly, it was when we >>>>>>> were all infants.
Biggest regime change during that period, was Mao in China; no US >>>>>>> involvement
to speak of.
And then US created HIV, killed many many people,
That fails any kind of reality check.
and recently Dr Faulty (or whatever his name was) financed
creating covid and that backfired too and killed millions.
... which also fails a number of reality checks.  Dr. Fauci, for
instance, was clearly at work on the wrong
continent to connect with the outbreak.  A hundred more conspiracy >>>>> rumors can be found, or created,
but ought not command our respect either.
RationalWiki calls this sort of thing a Gish Gallop.
<https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Gish_Gallop>
Guys, Jan is just winding you up. He does it all the time. Try
teasing him back about cheese, or mud, or little boys with their
fingers in dikes, or, wrongheaded environmental regulations that are
going to cause starvation overseas--you know, the stuff Holland is
famous for. ;)
I don't think he is. I know other people who follow/sympathize with the
Russian media bullshit and they all seriously believe all that nonsense. >>> In fact you won't believe how far it goes, I know a guy - an engineer,
technical support on the nuclear power plant here - who genuinely
believes that and more - e.g. that the moon landings were just a fake,
*all* sorts of utter nonsense. And he is far from alone, many of the
people in his working environment are no better.
I know how ludicrous this all sounds to a sane person but there seems
to be some sort of mental illness making plenty of people prone to
the ridiculous Russian propaganda (if you could understand Russian
and listened to it for 5 minutes the effect on you would be
literally jaw dropping, yet plenty of people fall for it).
He does it about other stuff too. Jan has a puckish sense of humor as
well as many strong opinions, and posts enough sane and reasonable
on-topic stuff that he gets taken seriously.
I know he does it and I agree his on topic posts can be taken seriously.
And I stand by my post about his pro-Russian nonsense.
Dimiter_Popoff wrote:
On 7/15/2022 19:35, Phil Hobbs wrote:
Dimiter_Popoff wrote:
On 7/14/2022 19:22, Phil Hobbs wrote:
whit3rd wrote:
On Wednesday, July 13, 2022 at 7:56:21 AM UTC-7, Jan Panteltje wrote: >>>>>> On a sunny day (Wed, 13 Jul 2022 01:00:04 -0700 (PDT)) it happened >>>>>> whit3rd
<whi...@gmail.com> wrote in
<62706c9e-b801-47da...@googlegroups.com>:
On Tuesday, July 12, 2022 at 11:21:07 PM UTC-7, Jan Panteltje wrote: >>>>>
Try google for US regime change since WW2
Nothing in such a list really compares with, for a modern
example, the ongoing invasion in Ukraine. Mostly, it was when we >>>>>>> were all infants.
Biggest regime change during that period, was Mao in China; no US >>>>>>> involvement
to speak of.
And then US created HIV, killed many many people,
That fails any kind of reality check.
and recently Dr Faulty (or whatever his name was) financed
creating covid and that backfired too and killed millions.
... which also fails a number of reality checks. Dr. Fauci, for
instance, was clearly at work on the wrong
continent to connect with the outbreak. A hundred more conspiracy >>>>> rumors can be found, or created,
but ought not command our respect either.
RationalWiki calls this sort of thing a Gish Gallop.
<https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Gish_Gallop>
Guys, Jan is just winding you up. He does it all the time. Try
teasing him back about cheese, or mud, or little boys with their
fingers in dikes, or, wrongheaded environmental regulations that are >>>> going to cause starvation overseas--you know, the stuff Holland is
famous for. ;)
I don't think he is. I know other people who follow/sympathize with the >>> Russian media bullshit and they all seriously believe all that nonsense. >>> In fact you won't believe how far it goes, I know a guy - an engineer, >>> technical support on the nuclear power plant here - who genuinely
believes that and more - e.g. that the moon landings were just a fake, >>> *all* sorts of utter nonsense. And he is far from alone, many of the
people in his working environment are no better.
I know how ludicrous this all sounds to a sane person but there seems
to be some sort of mental illness making plenty of people prone to
the ridiculous Russian propaganda (if you could understand Russian
and listened to it for 5 minutes the effect on you would be
literally jaw dropping, yet plenty of people fall for it).
He does it about other stuff too. Jan has a puckish sense of humor as
well as many strong opinions, and posts enough sane and reasonable
on-topic stuff that he gets taken seriously.
I know he does it and I agree his on topic posts can be taken seriously. And I stand by my post about his pro-Russian nonsense.I follow a Latvian podcaster (Kristaps Andrejsons, <https://theeasternborder.lv>). One of his regular segments is
translating the amusing pro-Russian propaganda of one Igor Girkin, which
is very much along the lines you mention.
I'm just not at all sure Jan actually believes it. (FWIW I think that enlarging NATO all the way up to Russia's border is geopolitical
insanity, but not because of any good opinion of Putin on my part. Once
a KGB colonel, always a KGB colonel.)
Dimiter_Popoff wrote:
On 7/15/2022 19:35, Phil Hobbs wrote:
Dimiter_Popoff wrote:
On 7/14/2022 19:22, Phil Hobbs wrote:
whit3rd wrote:
On Wednesday, July 13, 2022 at 7:56:21 AM UTC-7, Jan Panteltje wrote: >>>>>>> On a sunny day (Wed, 13 Jul 2022 01:00:04 -0700 (PDT)) it
happened whit3rd
<whi...@gmail.com> wrote in
<62706c9e-b801-47da...@googlegroups.com>:
On Tuesday, July 12, 2022 at 11:21:07 PM UTC-7, Jan Panteltje
wrote:
Try google for US regime change since WW2
Nothing in such a list really compares with, for a modern
example, the ongoing invasion in Ukraine. Mostly, it was when we >>>>>>>> were all infants.
Biggest regime change during that period, was Mao in China; no >>>>>>>> US involvement
to speak of.
And then US created HIV, killed many many people,
That fails any kind of reality check.
and recently Dr Faulty (or whatever his name was) financed
creating covid and that backfired too and killed millions.
... which also fails a number of reality checks.  Dr. Fauci, for >>>>>> instance, was clearly at work on the wrong
continent to connect with the outbreak.  A hundred more
conspiracy rumors can be found, or created,
but ought not command our respect either.
RationalWiki calls this sort of thing a Gish Gallop.
<https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Gish_Gallop>
Guys, Jan is just winding you up. He does it all the time. Try
teasing him back about cheese, or mud, or little boys with their
fingers in dikes, or, wrongheaded environmental regulations that
are going to cause starvation overseas--you know, the stuff Holland
is famous for. ;)
I don't think he is. I know other people who follow/sympathize with the >>>> Russian media bullshit and they all seriously believe all that
nonsense.
In fact you won't believe how far it goes, I know a guy - an engineer, >>>> technical support on the nuclear power plant here - who genuinely
believes that and more - e.g. that the moon landings were just a fake, >>>> *all* sorts of utter nonsense. And he is far from alone, many of the
people in his working environment are no better.
I know how ludicrous this all sounds to a sane person but there seems
to be some sort of mental illness making plenty of people prone to
the ridiculous Russian propaganda (if you could understand Russian
and listened to it for 5 minutes the effect on you would be
literally jaw dropping, yet plenty of people fall for it).
He does it about other stuff too. Jan has a puckish sense of humor
as well as many strong opinions, and posts enough sane and reasonable
on-topic stuff that he gets taken seriously.
I know he does it and I agree his on topic posts can be taken seriously.
And I stand by my post about his pro-Russian nonsense.
I follow a Latvian podcaster (Kristaps Andrejsons, <https://theeasternborder.lv>). One of his regular segments is
translating the amusing pro-Russian propaganda of one Igor Girkin, which
is very much along the lines you mention.
I'm just not at all sure Jan actually believes it.
 (FWIW I think that
enlarging NATO all the way up to Russia's border is geopolitical
insanity, but not because of any good opinion of Putin on my part. Once
a KGB colonel, always a KGB colonel.)
jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
Edward Hernandez Loves Porn wrote:
My ophthalmologist does conventional surgery. He also regularly uses a
laser beam on certain patient's eyes.
One of multiple uses of a laser beam directed at the eyes of people is
for cutting stitches after a Trabeculectomy. Somehow the laser cuts the
stitch without damaging tissue on the way there. Doesn't even hurt.
After cataract surgery, I got a "secondary cataract", namely clouding
of the rear part of the lens capsule. My doc sawed a hole in the center
part of the capsule with a YAG laser. That took a few minutes. He left
some ragged edges that scattered light, so another guy trimmed that
later.
I also had my retina lasered to make scar tissue dots, to keep it welded
to the back of my eyeball; my retinas tend to tear and detach, so that
helps.
I have to do the cataract surgery and retina repair/vitrectomy to my
other eye soon. I'll ask them to spot weld that one too.
So far, all this eye lasering works great and is quick and painless.
Does anybody know how the laser beam energy is concentrated at a specific distance from the laser, so the beam doesn't damage tissue on the way to
that point?
On Fri, 15 Jul 2022 17:20:24 +0300, Dimiter_Popoff <d...@tgi-sci.com> wrote: >On 7/15/2022 16:31, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
On Fri, 15 Jul 2022 14:27:07 +0300, Dimiter_Popoff <d...@tgi-sci.com> wrote:
On 7/14/2022 19:22, Phil Hobbs wrote:
whit3rd wrote:
On Wednesday, July 13, 2022 at 7:56:21 AM UTC-7, Jan Panteltje wrote: >>>>>> On a sunny day (Wed, 13 Jul 2022 01:00:04 -0700 (PDT)) it happened whit3rd <whi...@gmail.com> wrote in <62706c9e-b801-47da...@googlegroups.com>:
On Tuesday, July 12, 2022 at 11:21:07 PM UTC-7, Jan Panteltje wrote:
What is puzzling is how people *outside* of the Russian environment >sympathize with the Russian imperial ambitions and believe their
propaganda nonsense.
In the times before WWII it was obvious that the USSR was run by
murderous psychopaths, but there were lots of people in England and
the US who idolized the workers paradise.
Part of the reason for such people to exist must be some plain
inferiority complex, they see themselves as having no chance in the >civilized world so they look for the saviour, being fine with one
who would erase the civilization they cannot fit in the way they
would like to.
But may be there is more than that to it, to fall for the *utter
nonsense* of the Russian propaganda takes some sort of a mental
condition.
Yes. When theory is confounded by reality, some people stick with
theory.
I made two good friends when I was in the USSR, and both came to live
with me here for a year or so. Sergei, the native Russian, never
learned English and didn't like America and went back to Moscow. Nick,
a Ukranian, loved the US and stayed and imported his family. He's an
IT consultant in Sacramento.
On Fri, 15 Jul 2022 14:27:07 +0300, Dimiter_Popoff <d...@tgi-sci.com> wrote: >On 7/14/2022 19:22, Phil Hobbs wrote:
whit3rd wrote:
On Wednesday, July 13, 2022 at 7:56:21 AM UTC-7, Jan Panteltje wrote: >>>> On a sunny day (Wed, 13 Jul 2022 01:00:04 -0700 (PDT)) it happened whit3rd <whi...@gmail.com> wrote in <62706c9e-b801-47da...@googlegroups.com>:
On Tuesday, July 12, 2022 at 11:21:07 PM UTC-7, Jan Panteltje wrote:
I know how ludicrous this all sounds to a sane person but there seems
to be some sort of mental illness making plenty of people prone to
the ridiculous Russian propaganda (if you could understand Russian
and listened to it for 5 minutes the effect on you would be
literally jaw dropping, yet plenty of people fall for it).
I worked in the USSR for a month. It is a very weird place. It would
be great if they could become a prosperous and boring european
country, but I think they are too damaged by their language and
history.
fredag den 15. juli 2022 kl. 20.44.33 UTC+2 skrev Phil Hobbs:
Dimiter_Popoff wrote:
On 7/15/2022 19:35, Phil Hobbs wrote:I follow a Latvian podcaster (Kristaps Andrejsons,
Dimiter_Popoff wrote:
On 7/14/2022 19:22, Phil Hobbs wrote:
whit3rd wrote:
On Wednesday, July 13, 2022 at 7:56:21 AM UTC-7, Jan Panteltje wrote: >>>>>>>> On a sunny day (Wed, 13 Jul 2022 01:00:04 -0700 (PDT)) it happened >>>>>>>> whit3rd
<whi...@gmail.com> wrote in
<62706c9e-b801-47da...@googlegroups.com>:
On Tuesday, July 12, 2022 at 11:21:07 PM UTC-7, Jan Panteltje wrote: >>>>>>>
Try google for US regime change since WW2
Nothing in such a list really compares with, for a modern
example, the ongoing invasion in Ukraine. Mostly, it was when we >>>>>>>>> were all infants.
Biggest regime change during that period, was Mao in China; no US >>>>>>>>> involvement
to speak of.
And then US created HIV, killed many many people,
That fails any kind of reality check.
and recently Dr Faulty (or whatever his name was) financed
creating covid and that backfired too and killed millions.
... which also fails a number of reality checks. Dr. Fauci, for >>>>>>> instance, was clearly at work on the wrong
continent to connect with the outbreak. A hundred more conspiracy >>>>>>> rumors can be found, or created,
but ought not command our respect either.
RationalWiki calls this sort of thing a Gish Gallop.
<https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Gish_Gallop>
Guys, Jan is just winding you up. He does it all the time. Try
teasing him back about cheese, or mud, or little boys with their
fingers in dikes, or, wrongheaded environmental regulations that are >>>>>> going to cause starvation overseas--you know, the stuff Holland is >>>>>> famous for. ;)
I don't think he is. I know other people who follow/sympathize with the >>>>> Russian media bullshit and they all seriously believe all that nonsense. >>>>> In fact you won't believe how far it goes, I know a guy - an engineer, >>>>> technical support on the nuclear power plant here - who genuinely
believes that and more - e.g. that the moon landings were just a fake, >>>>> *all* sorts of utter nonsense. And he is far from alone, many of the >>>>> people in his working environment are no better.
I know how ludicrous this all sounds to a sane person but there seems >>>>> to be some sort of mental illness making plenty of people prone to
the ridiculous Russian propaganda (if you could understand Russian
and listened to it for 5 minutes the effect on you would be
literally jaw dropping, yet plenty of people fall for it).
He does it about other stuff too. Jan has a puckish sense of humor as >>>> well as many strong opinions, and posts enough sane and reasonable
on-topic stuff that he gets taken seriously.
I know he does it and I agree his on topic posts can be taken seriously. >>> And I stand by my post about his pro-Russian nonsense.
<https://theeasternborder.lv>). One of his regular segments is
translating the amusing pro-Russian propaganda of one Igor Girkin, which
is very much along the lines you mention.
I'm just not at all sure Jan actually believes it. (FWIW I think that
enlarging NATO all the way up to Russia's border is geopolitical
insanity, but not because of any good opinion of Putin on my part. Once
a KGB colonel, always a KGB colonel.)
Ukraine was no/is where near fulfilling the requirements to join NATO
So Putin can't use that as an excuse
On 7/15/2022 21:44, Phil Hobbs wrote:
Dimiter_Popoff wrote:
On 7/15/2022 19:35, Phil Hobbs wrote:
Dimiter_Popoff wrote:
On 7/14/2022 19:22, Phil Hobbs wrote:
whit3rd wrote:
On Wednesday, July 13, 2022 at 7:56:21 AM UTC-7, Jan Panteltje
wrote:
On a sunny day (Wed, 13 Jul 2022 01:00:04 -0700 (PDT)) it
happened whit3rd
<whi...@gmail.com> wrote in
<62706c9e-b801-47da...@googlegroups.com>:
On Tuesday, July 12, 2022 at 11:21:07 PM UTC-7, Jan Panteltje >>>>>>>>> wrote:
Try google for US regime change since WW2
Nothing in such a list really compares with, for a modern
example, the ongoing invasion in Ukraine. Mostly, it was when >>>>>>>>> we were all infants.
Biggest regime change during that period, was Mao in China; no >>>>>>>>> US involvement
to speak of.
And then US created HIV, killed many many people,
That fails any kind of reality check.
and recently Dr Faulty (or whatever his name was) financed
creating covid and that backfired too and killed millions.
... which also fails a number of reality checks.  Dr. Fauci, for >>>>>>> instance, was clearly at work on the wrong
continent to connect with the outbreak.  A hundred more
conspiracy rumors can be found, or created,
but ought not command our respect either.
RationalWiki calls this sort of thing a Gish Gallop.
<https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Gish_Gallop>
Guys, Jan is just winding you up. He does it all the time. Try >>>>>> teasing him back about cheese, or mud, or little boys with their
fingers in dikes, or, wrongheaded environmental regulations that
are going to cause starvation overseas--you know, the stuff
Holland is famous for. ;)
I don't think he is. I know other people who follow/sympathize with
the
Russian media bullshit and they all seriously believe all that
nonsense.
In fact you won't believe how far it goes, I know a guy - an engineer, >>>>> technical support on the nuclear power plant here - who genuinely
believes that and more - e.g. that the moon landings were just a fake, >>>>> *all* sorts of utter nonsense. And he is far from alone, many of the >>>>> people in his working environment are no better.
I know how ludicrous this all sounds to a sane person but there seems >>>>> to be some sort of mental illness making plenty of people prone to
the ridiculous Russian propaganda (if you could understand Russian
and listened to it for 5 minutes the effect on you would be
literally jaw dropping, yet plenty of people fall for it).
He does it about other stuff too. Jan has a puckish sense of humor
as well as many strong opinions, and posts enough sane and
reasonable on-topic stuff that he gets taken seriously.
I know he does it and I agree his on topic posts can be taken seriously. >>> And I stand by my post about his pro-Russian nonsense.
I follow a Latvian podcaster (Kristaps Andrejsons,
<https://theeasternborder.lv>). One of his regular segments is
translating the amusing pro-Russian propaganda of one Igor Girkin,
which is very much along the lines you mention.
I'm just not at all sure Jan actually believes it.
Well I hope you are right. But I did not sense any irony in his posts
on that topic, may be I just don't know him well enough.
 (FWIW I think that enlarging NATO all the way up to Russia's border
is geopolitical insanity, but not because of any good opinion of Putin
on my part. Once a KGB colonel, always a KGB colonel.)
Insanity or not, on this world we all live with two options - swallow or
be swallowed.
It would be a shame if our civilization is lost because
it was swallowed by the barbarians; it will be triple shame if it gets swallowed without giving a fight.
Dimiter_Popoff wrote:
On 7/15/2022 21:44, Phil Hobbs wrote:
Dimiter_Popoff wrote:
On 7/15/2022 19:35, Phil Hobbs wrote:
Dimiter_Popoff wrote:
On 7/14/2022 19:22, Phil Hobbs wrote:
whit3rd wrote:
On Wednesday, July 13, 2022 at 7:56:21 AM UTC-7, Jan Panteltje >>>>>>>> wrote:
On a sunny day (Wed, 13 Jul 2022 01:00:04 -0700 (PDT)) it
happened whit3rd
<whi...@gmail.com> wrote in
<62706c9e-b801-47da...@googlegroups.com>:
On Tuesday, July 12, 2022 at 11:21:07 PM UTC-7, Jan Panteltje >>>>>>>>>> wrote:
Try google for US regime change since WW2
Nothing in such a list really compares with, for a modern
example, the ongoing invasion in Ukraine. Mostly, it was when >>>>>>>>>> we were all infants.
Biggest regime change during that period, was Mao in China; no >>>>>>>>>> US involvement
to speak of.
And then US created HIV, killed many many people,
That fails any kind of reality check.
and recently Dr Faulty (or whatever his name was) financed
creating covid and that backfired too and killed millions.
... which also fails a number of reality checks.  Dr. Fauci, for >>>>>>>> instance, was clearly at work on the wrong
continent to connect with the outbreak.  A hundred more
conspiracy rumors can be found, or created,
but ought not command our respect either.
RationalWiki calls this sort of thing a Gish Gallop.
<https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Gish_Gallop>
Guys, Jan is just winding you up. He does it all the time. Try >>>>>>> teasing him back about cheese, or mud, or little boys with their >>>>>>> fingers in dikes, or, wrongheaded environmental regulations that >>>>>>> are going to cause starvation overseas--you know, the stuff
Holland is famous for. ;)
I don't think he is. I know other people who follow/sympathize with >>>>>> the
Russian media bullshit and they all seriously believe all that
nonsense.
In fact you won't believe how far it goes, I know a guy - an engineer, >>>>>> technical support on the nuclear power plant here - who genuinely
believes that and more - e.g. that the moon landings were just a fake, >>>>>> *all* sorts of utter nonsense. And he is far from alone, many of the >>>>>> people in his working environment are no better.
I know how ludicrous this all sounds to a sane person but there seems >>>>>> to be some sort of mental illness making plenty of people prone to >>>>>> the ridiculous Russian propaganda (if you could understand Russian >>>>>> and listened to it for 5 minutes the effect on you would be
literally jaw dropping, yet plenty of people fall for it).
He does it about other stuff too. Jan has a puckish sense of humor >>>>> as well as many strong opinions, and posts enough sane and
reasonable on-topic stuff that he gets taken seriously.
I know he does it and I agree his on topic posts can be taken seriously. >>>> And I stand by my post about his pro-Russian nonsense.
I follow a Latvian podcaster (Kristaps Andrejsons,
<https://theeasternborder.lv>). One of his regular segments is
translating the amusing pro-Russian propaganda of one Igor Girkin,
which is very much along the lines you mention.
I'm just not at all sure Jan actually believes it.
Well I hope you are right. But I did not sense any irony in his posts
on that topic, may be I just don't know him well enough.
 (FWIW I think that enlarging NATO all the way up to Russia's border
is geopolitical insanity, but not because of any good opinion of Putin
on my part. Once a KGB colonel, always a KGB colonel.)
Insanity or not, on this world we all live with two options - swallow or
be swallowed.
You've lived in the Balkans too long. ;)
It would be a shame if our civilization is lost because
it was swallowed by the barbarians; it will be triple shame if it gets
swallowed without giving a fight.
Yup. One of the things I really miss about the Cold War was that most
of the commies were overseas.
Cheers
Phil Hobbs
Dimiter_Popoff wrote:
On 7/15/2022 21:44, Phil Hobbs wrote:
Dimiter_Popoff wrote:
On 7/15/2022 19:35, Phil Hobbs wrote:
Dimiter_Popoff wrote:
On 7/14/2022 19:22, Phil Hobbs wrote:
whit3rd wrote:
On Wednesday, July 13, 2022 at 7:56:21 AM UTC-7, Jan Panteltje >>>>>>>> wrote:
On a sunny day (Wed, 13 Jul 2022 01:00:04 -0700 (PDT)) it
happened whit3rd
<whi...@gmail.com> wrote in
<62706c9e-b801-47da...@googlegroups.com>:
On Tuesday, July 12, 2022 at 11:21:07 PM UTC-7, Jan Panteltje >>>>>>>>>> wrote:
Try google for US regime change since WW2
Nothing in such a list really compares with, for a modern
example, the ongoing invasion in Ukraine. Mostly, it was when >>>>>>>>>> we were all infants.
Biggest regime change during that period, was Mao in China; no >>>>>>>>>> US involvement
to speak of.
And then US created HIV, killed many many people,
That fails any kind of reality check.
and recently Dr Faulty (or whatever his name was) financed
creating covid and that backfired too and killed millions.
... which also fails a number of reality checks.  Dr. Fauci, >>>>>>>> for instance, was clearly at work on the wrong
continent to connect with the outbreak.  A hundred more
conspiracy rumors can be found, or created,
but ought not command our respect either.
RationalWiki calls this sort of thing a Gish Gallop.
<https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Gish_Gallop>
Guys, Jan is just winding you up. He does it all the time. Try >>>>>>> teasing him back about cheese, or mud, or little boys with their >>>>>>> fingers in dikes, or, wrongheaded environmental regulations that >>>>>>> are going to cause starvation overseas--you know, the stuff
Holland is famous for. ;)
I don't think he is. I know other people who follow/sympathize
with the
Russian media bullshit and they all seriously believe all that
nonsense.
In fact you won't believe how far it goes, I know a guy - an
engineer,
technical support on the nuclear power plant here - who genuinely
believes that and more - e.g. that the moon landings were just a
fake,
*all* sorts of utter nonsense. And he is far from alone, many of the >>>>>> people in his working environment are no better.
I know how ludicrous this all sounds to a sane person but there seems >>>>>> to be some sort of mental illness making plenty of people prone to >>>>>> the ridiculous Russian propaganda (if you could understand Russian >>>>>> and listened to it for 5 minutes the effect on you would be
literally jaw dropping, yet plenty of people fall for it).
He does it about other stuff too. Jan has a puckish sense of humor >>>>> as well as many strong opinions, and posts enough sane and
reasonable on-topic stuff that he gets taken seriously.
I know he does it and I agree his on topic posts can be taken
seriously.
And I stand by my post about his pro-Russian nonsense.
I follow a Latvian podcaster (Kristaps Andrejsons,
<https://theeasternborder.lv>). One of his regular segments is
translating the amusing pro-Russian propaganda of one Igor Girkin,
which is very much along the lines you mention.
I'm just not at all sure Jan actually believes it.
Well I hope you are right. But I did not sense any irony in his posts
on that topic, may be I just don't know him well enough.
 (FWIW I think that enlarging NATO all the way up to Russia's border
is geopolitical insanity, but not because of any good opinion of
Putin on my part. Once a KGB colonel, always a KGB colonel.)
Insanity or not, on this world we all live with two options - swallow or
be swallowed.
You've lived in the Balkans too long. ;)
It would be a shame if our civilization is lost because
it was swallowed by the barbarians; it will be triple shame if it gets
swallowed without giving a fight.
Yup. One of the things I really miss about the Cold War was that most
of the commies were overseas.
Lasse Langwadt Christensen wrote:
fredag den 15. juli 2022 kl. 20.44.33 UTC+2 skrev Phil Hobbs:
Dimiter_Popoff wrote:
On 7/15/2022 19:35, Phil Hobbs wrote:
Dimiter_Popoff wrote:
On 7/14/2022 19:22, Phil Hobbs wrote:
whit3rd wrote:
On Wednesday, July 13, 2022 at 7:56:21 AM UTC-7, Jan Panteltje wrote:
On a sunny day (Wed, 13 Jul 2022 01:00:04 -0700 (PDT)) it happened >>>>>>>> whit3rd <whi...@gmail.com> wrote in <62706c9e-b801-47da...@googlegroups.com>:
On Tuesday, July 12, 2022 at 11:21:07 PM UTC-7, Jan Panteltje wrote:
I'm just not at all sure Jan actually believes it. (FWIW I think that
enlarging NATO all the way up to Russia's border is geopolitical
insanity, but not because of any good opinion of Putin on my part. Once >> a KGB colonel, always a KGB colonel.)
Ukraine was no/is where near fulfilling the requirements to join NATO
So Putin can't use that as an excuse
Finland?
(Not even counting the coup the Obama swamp launched in Ukraine in 2014.)
Peaple like McCarthy did see commies everywhere in the US,
googgle wikipedia mccarthysism
On a sunny day (Sun, 17 Jul 2022 09:33:22 -0400) it happened Phil Hobbs ><pcdhSpamMeSenseless@electrooptical.net> wrote in ><9a675cd5-a5d3-fa92-6f3d-0fc0f4c3d538@electrooptical.net>:
Dimiter_Popoff wrote:
On 7/15/2022 21:44, Phil Hobbs wrote:
Dimiter_Popoff wrote:
On 7/15/2022 19:35, Phil Hobbs wrote:
Dimiter_Popoff wrote:
On 7/14/2022 19:22, Phil Hobbs wrote:
whit3rd wrote:
On Wednesday, July 13, 2022 at 7:56:21 AM UTC-7, Jan Panteltje >>>>>>>>> wrote:
On a sunny day (Wed, 13 Jul 2022 01:00:04 -0700 (PDT)) it
happened whit3rd
<whi...@gmail.com> wrote in
<62706c9e-b801-47da...@googlegroups.com>:
On Tuesday, July 12, 2022 at 11:21:07 PM UTC-7, Jan Panteltje >>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
Try google for US regime change since WW2
Nothing in such a list really compares with, for a modern >>>>>>>>>>> example, the ongoing invasion in Ukraine. Mostly, it was when >>>>>>>>>>> we were all infants.
Biggest regime change during that period, was Mao in China; no >>>>>>>>>>> US involvement
to speak of.
And then US created HIV, killed many many people,
That fails any kind of reality check.
and recently Dr Faulty (or whatever his name was) financed >>>>>>>>>> creating covid and that backfired too and killed millions.
... which also fails a number of reality checks.  Dr. Fauci, for >>>>>>>>> instance, was clearly at work on the wrong
continent to connect with the outbreak.  A hundred more
conspiracy rumors can be found, or created,
but ought not command our respect either.
RationalWiki calls this sort of thing a Gish Gallop.
<https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Gish_Gallop>
Guys, Jan is just winding you up. He does it all the time. Try >>>>>>>> teasing him back about cheese, or mud, or little boys with their >>>>>>>> fingers in dikes, or, wrongheaded environmental regulations that >>>>>>>> are going to cause starvation overseas--you know, the stuff
Holland is famous for. ;)
I don't think he is. I know other people who follow/sympathize with >>>>>>> the
Russian media bullshit and they all seriously believe all that
nonsense.
In fact you won't believe how far it goes, I know a guy - an engineer, >>>>>>> technical support on the nuclear power plant here - who genuinely >>>>>>> believes that and more - e.g. that the moon landings were just a fake, >>>>>>> *all* sorts of utter nonsense. And he is far from alone, many of the >>>>>>> people in his working environment are no better.
I know how ludicrous this all sounds to a sane person but there seems >>>>>>> to be some sort of mental illness making plenty of people prone to >>>>>>> the ridiculous Russian propaganda (if you could understand Russian >>>>>>> and listened to it for 5 minutes the effect on you would be
literally jaw dropping, yet plenty of people fall for it).
He does it about other stuff too. Jan has a puckish sense of humor >>>>>> as well as many strong opinions, and posts enough sane and
reasonable on-topic stuff that he gets taken seriously.
I know he does it and I agree his on topic posts can be taken seriously. >>>>> And I stand by my post about his pro-Russian nonsense.
I follow a Latvian podcaster (Kristaps Andrejsons,
<https://theeasternborder.lv>). One of his regular segments is
translating the amusing pro-Russian propaganda of one Igor Girkin,
which is very much along the lines you mention.
I'm just not at all sure Jan actually believes it.
Well I hope you are right. But I did not sense any irony in his posts
on that topic, may be I just don't know him well enough.
 (FWIW I think that enlarging NATO all the way up to Russia's border >>>> is geopolitical insanity, but not because of any good opinion of Putin >>>> on my part. Once a KGB colonel, always a KGB colonel.)
Insanity or not, on this world we all live with two options - swallow or >>> be swallowed.
You've lived in the Balkans too long. ;)
It would be a shame if our civilization is lost because
it was swallowed by the barbarians; it will be triple shame if it gets
swallowed without giving a fight.
Yup. One of the things I really miss about the Cold War was that most
of the commies were overseas.
Cheers
Phil Hobbs
Peaple like McCarthy did see commies everywhere in the US,
googgle wikipedia mccarthysism
On Sun, 17 Jul 2022 16:35:41 GMT, Jan Panteltje
<pNaonStpealmtje@yahoo.com> wrote:
On a sunny day (Sun, 17 Jul 2022 09:33:22 -0400) it happened Phil Hobbs >><pcdhSpamMeSenseless@electrooptical.net> wrote in >><9a675cd5-a5d3-fa92-6f3d-0fc0f4c3d538@electrooptical.net>:
Dimiter_Popoff wrote:
On 7/15/2022 21:44, Phil Hobbs wrote:
Dimiter_Popoff wrote:
On 7/15/2022 19:35, Phil Hobbs wrote:
Dimiter_Popoff wrote:
On 7/14/2022 19:22, Phil Hobbs wrote:
whit3rd wrote:
On Wednesday, July 13, 2022 at 7:56:21 AM UTC-7, Jan Panteltje >>>>>>>>>> wrote:
On a sunny day (Wed, 13 Jul 2022 01:00:04 -0700 (PDT)) it >>>>>>>>>>> happened whit3rd
<whi...@gmail.com> wrote in
<62706c9e-b801-47da...@googlegroups.com>:
On Tuesday, July 12, 2022 at 11:21:07 PM UTC-7, Jan Panteltje >>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
Try google for US regime change since WW2
Nothing in such a list really compares with, for a modern >>>>>>>>>>>> example, the ongoing invasion in Ukraine. Mostly, it was when >>>>>>>>>>>> we were all infants.
Biggest regime change during that period, was Mao in China; no >>>>>>>>>>>> US involvement
to speak of.
And then US created HIV, killed many many people,
That fails any kind of reality check.
and recently Dr Faulty (or whatever his name was) financed >>>>>>>>>>> creating covid and that backfired too and killed millions. >>>>>>>>>>... which also fails a number of reality checks.  Dr. Fauci, for >>>>>>>>>> instance, was clearly at work on the wrong
continent to connect with the outbreak.  A hundred more >>>>>>>>>> conspiracy rumors can be found, or created,
but ought not command our respect either.
RationalWiki calls this sort of thing a Gish Gallop.
<https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Gish_Gallop>
Guys, Jan is just winding you up. He does it all the time. Try >>>>>>>>> teasing him back about cheese, or mud, or little boys with their >>>>>>>>> fingers in dikes, or, wrongheaded environmental regulations that >>>>>>>>> are going to cause starvation overseas--you know, the stuff
Holland is famous for. ;)
I don't think he is. I know other people who follow/sympathize with >>>>>>>> the
Russian media bullshit and they all seriously believe all that >>>>>>>> nonsense.
In fact you won't believe how far it goes, I know a guy - an engineer, >>>>>>>> technical support on the nuclear power plant here - who genuinely >>>>>>>> believes that and more - e.g. that the moon landings were just a fake, >>>>>>>> *all* sorts of utter nonsense. And he is far from alone, many of the >>>>>>>> people in his working environment are no better.
I know how ludicrous this all sounds to a sane person but there seems >>>>>>>> to be some sort of mental illness making plenty of people prone to >>>>>>>> the ridiculous Russian propaganda (if you could understand Russian >>>>>>>> and listened to it for 5 minutes the effect on you would be
literally jaw dropping, yet plenty of people fall for it).
He does it about other stuff too. Jan has a puckish sense of humor >>>>>>> as well as many strong opinions, and posts enough sane and
reasonable on-topic stuff that he gets taken seriously.
I know he does it and I agree his on topic posts can be taken seriously. >>>>>> And I stand by my post about his pro-Russian nonsense.
I follow a Latvian podcaster (Kristaps Andrejsons,
<https://theeasternborder.lv>). One of his regular segments is
translating the amusing pro-Russian propaganda of one Igor Girkin,
which is very much along the lines you mention.
I'm just not at all sure Jan actually believes it.
Well I hope you are right. But I did not sense any irony in his posts
on that topic, may be I just don't know him well enough.
 (FWIW I think that enlarging NATO all the way up to Russia's border >>>>> is geopolitical insanity, but not because of any good opinion of Putin >>>>> on my part. Once a KGB colonel, always a KGB colonel.)
Insanity or not, on this world we all live with two options - swallow or >>>> be swallowed.
You've lived in the Balkans too long. ;)
It would be a shame if our civilization is lost because
it was swallowed by the barbarians; it will be triple shame if it gets >>>> swallowed without giving a fight.
Yup. One of the things I really miss about the Cold War was that most
of the commies were overseas.
Cheers
Phil Hobbs
Peaple like McCarthy did see commies everywhere in the US,
googgle wikipedia mccarthysism
But there were commies everywhere.
On Sun, 17 Jul 2022 16:35:41 GMT, Jan Panteltje
<pNaonStpealmtje@yahoo.com> wrote:
On a sunny day (Sun, 17 Jul 2022 09:33:22 -0400) it happened Phil Hobbs
<pcdhSpamMeSenseless@electrooptical.net> wrote in
<9a675cd5-a5d3-fa92-6f3d-0fc0f4c3d538@electrooptical.net>:
Dimiter_Popoff wrote:
On 7/15/2022 21:44, Phil Hobbs wrote:
Dimiter_Popoff wrote:
On 7/15/2022 19:35, Phil Hobbs wrote:
Dimiter_Popoff wrote:
On 7/14/2022 19:22, Phil Hobbs wrote:
whit3rd wrote:
On Wednesday, July 13, 2022 at 7:56:21 AM UTC-7, Jan Panteltje >>>>>>>>>> wrote:
On a sunny day (Wed, 13 Jul 2022 01:00:04 -0700 (PDT)) it >>>>>>>>>>> happened whit3rd
<whi...@gmail.com> wrote in
<62706c9e-b801-47da...@googlegroups.com>:
On Tuesday, July 12, 2022 at 11:21:07 PM UTC-7, Jan Panteltje >>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
Try google for US regime change since WW2
Nothing in such a list really compares with, for a modern >>>>>>>>>>>> example, the ongoing invasion in Ukraine. Mostly, it was when >>>>>>>>>>>> we were all infants.
Biggest regime change during that period, was Mao in China; no >>>>>>>>>>>> US involvement
to speak of.
And then US created HIV, killed many many people,
That fails any kind of reality check.
and recently Dr Faulty (or whatever his name was) financed >>>>>>>>>>> creating covid and that backfired too and killed millions. >>>>>>>>>>... which also fails a number of reality checks.  Dr. Fauci, for
instance, was clearly at work on the wrong
continent to connect with the outbreak.  A hundred more >>>>>>>>>> conspiracy rumors can be found, or created,
but ought not command our respect either.
RationalWiki calls this sort of thing a Gish Gallop.
<https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Gish_Gallop>
Guys, Jan is just winding you up. He does it all the time. Try
teasing him back about cheese, or mud, or little boys with their >>>>>>>>> fingers in dikes, or, wrongheaded environmental regulations that >>>>>>>>> are going to cause starvation overseas--you know, the stuff
Holland is famous for. ;)
I don't think he is. I know other people who follow/sympathize with >>>>>>>> the
Russian media bullshit and they all seriously believe all that >>>>>>>> nonsense.
In fact you won't believe how far it goes, I know a guy - an engineer, >>>>>>>> technical support on the nuclear power plant here - who genuinely >>>>>>>> believes that and more - e.g. that the moon landings were just a fake, >>>>>>>> *all* sorts of utter nonsense. And he is far from alone, many of the >>>>>>>> people in his working environment are no better.
I know how ludicrous this all sounds to a sane person but there seems >>>>>>>> to be some sort of mental illness making plenty of people prone to >>>>>>>> the ridiculous Russian propaganda (if you could understand Russian >>>>>>>> and listened to it for 5 minutes the effect on you would be
literally jaw dropping, yet plenty of people fall for it).
He does it about other stuff too. Jan has a puckish sense of humor >>>>>>> as well as many strong opinions, and posts enough sane and
reasonable on-topic stuff that he gets taken seriously.
I know he does it and I agree his on topic posts can be taken seriously. >>>>>> And I stand by my post about his pro-Russian nonsense.
I follow a Latvian podcaster (Kristaps Andrejsons,
<https://theeasternborder.lv>). One of his regular segments is
translating the amusing pro-Russian propaganda of one Igor Girkin,
which is very much along the lines you mention.
I'm just not at all sure Jan actually believes it.
Well I hope you are right. But I did not sense any irony in his posts
on that topic, may be I just don't know him well enough.
 (FWIW I think that enlarging NATO all the way up to Russia's border >>>>> is geopolitical insanity, but not because of any good opinion of Putin >>>>> on my part. Once a KGB colonel, always a KGB colonel.)
Insanity or not, on this world we all live with two options - swallow or >>>> be swallowed.
You've lived in the Balkans too long. ;)
It would be a shame if our civilization is lost because
it was swallowed by the barbarians; it will be triple shame if it gets >>>> swallowed without giving a fight.
Yup. One of the things I really miss about the Cold War was that most
of the commies were overseas.
Cheers
Phil Hobbs
Peaple like McCarthy did see commies everywhere in the US,
googgle wikipedia mccarthysism
But there were commies everywhere.
jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
On Sun, 17 Jul 2022 16:35:41 GMT, Jan PanteltjeNot on the present scale.
<pNaonStpealmtje@yahoo.com> wrote:
On a sunny day (Sun, 17 Jul 2022 09:33:22 -0400) it happened Phil Hobbs
<pcdhSpamMeSenseless@electrooptical.net> wrote in
<9a675cd5-a5d3-fa92-6f3d-0fc0f4c3d538@electrooptical.net>:
Dimiter_Popoff wrote:
On 7/15/2022 21:44, Phil Hobbs wrote:
Dimiter_Popoff wrote:
On 7/15/2022 19:35, Phil Hobbs wrote:
Dimiter_Popoff wrote:
On 7/14/2022 19:22, Phil Hobbs wrote:
whit3rd wrote:
On Wednesday, July 13, 2022 at 7:56:21 AM UTC-7, Jan Panteltje >>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
On a sunny day (Wed, 13 Jul 2022 01:00:04 -0700 (PDT)) it >>>>>>>>>>>> happened whit3rd
<whi...@gmail.com> wrote in
<62706c9e-b801-47da...@googlegroups.com>:
On Tuesday, July 12, 2022 at 11:21:07 PM UTC-7, Jan Panteltje >>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
Try google for US regime change since WW2
Nothing in such a list really compares with, for a modern >>>>>>>>>>>>> example, the ongoing invasion in Ukraine. Mostly, it was when >>>>>>>>>>>>> we were all infants.
Biggest regime change during that period, was Mao in China; no >>>>>>>>>>>>> US involvement
to speak of.
And then US created HIV, killed many many people,
That fails any kind of reality check.
and recently Dr Faulty (or whatever his name was) financed >>>>>>>>>>>> creating covid and that backfired too and killed millions. >>>>>>>>>>>... which also fails a number of reality checks.  Dr. Fauci, for >>>>>>>>>>> instance, was clearly at work on the wrong
continent to connect with the outbreak.  A hundred more >>>>>>>>>>> conspiracy rumors can be found, or created,
but ought not command our respect either.
RationalWiki calls this sort of thing a Gish Gallop.
<https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Gish_Gallop>
Guys, Jan is just winding you up. He does it all the time. Try >>>>>>>>>> teasing him back about cheese, or mud, or little boys with their >>>>>>>>>> fingers in dikes, or, wrongheaded environmental regulations that >>>>>>>>>> are going to cause starvation overseas--you know, the stuff >>>>>>>>>> Holland is famous for. ;)
I don't think he is. I know other people who follow/sympathize with >>>>>>>>> the
Russian media bullshit and they all seriously believe all that >>>>>>>>> nonsense.
In fact you won't believe how far it goes, I know a guy - an engineer,
technical support on the nuclear power plant here - who genuinely >>>>>>>>> believes that and more - e.g. that the moon landings were just a fake,
*all* sorts of utter nonsense. And he is far from alone, many of the >>>>>>>>> people in his working environment are no better.
I know how ludicrous this all sounds to a sane person but there seems >>>>>>>>> to be some sort of mental illness making plenty of people prone to >>>>>>>>> the ridiculous Russian propaganda (if you could understand Russian >>>>>>>>> and listened to it for 5 minutes the effect on you would be
literally jaw dropping, yet plenty of people fall for it).
He does it about other stuff too. Jan has a puckish sense of humor >>>>>>>> as well as many strong opinions, and posts enough sane and
reasonable on-topic stuff that he gets taken seriously.
I know he does it and I agree his on topic posts can be taken seriously.
And I stand by my post about his pro-Russian nonsense.
I follow a Latvian podcaster (Kristaps Andrejsons,
<https://theeasternborder.lv>). One of his regular segments is
translating the amusing pro-Russian propaganda of one Igor Girkin, >>>>>> which is very much along the lines you mention.
I'm just not at all sure Jan actually believes it.
Well I hope you are right. But I did not sense any irony in his posts >>>>> on that topic, may be I just don't know him well enough.
 (FWIW I think that enlarging NATO all the way up to Russia's border >>>>>> is geopolitical insanity, but not because of any good opinion of Putin >>>>>> on my part. Once a KGB colonel, always a KGB colonel.)
Insanity or not, on this world we all live with two options - swallow or >>>>> be swallowed.
You've lived in the Balkans too long. ;)
It would be a shame if our civilization is lost because
it was swallowed by the barbarians; it will be triple shame if it gets >>>>> swallowed without giving a fight.
Yup. One of the things I really miss about the Cold War was that most >>>> of the commies were overseas.
Cheers
Phil Hobbs
Peaple like McCarthy did see commies everywhere in the US,
googgle wikipedia mccarthysism
But there were commies everywhere.
Cheers
Phil Hobbs
On Sun, 17 Jul 2022 16:35:41 GMT, Jan Panteltje
<pNaonSt...@yahoo.com> wrote:
On a sunny day (Sun, 17 Jul 2022 09:33:22 -0400) it happened Phil Hobbs ><pcdhSpamM...@electrooptical.net> wrote in <9a675cd5-a5d3-fa92...@electrooptical.net>:
Dimiter_Popoff wrote:
On 7/15/2022 21:44, Phil Hobbs wrote:
Dimiter_Popoff wrote:
On 7/15/2022 19:35, Phil Hobbs wrote:
Dimiter_Popoff wrote:
On 7/14/2022 19:22, Phil Hobbs wrote:
whit3rd wrote:
On Wednesday, July 13, 2022 at 7:56:21 AM UTC-7, Jan Panteltje wrote:
On a sunny day (Wed, 13 Jul 2022 01:00:04 -0700 (PDT)) it happened whit3rd <whi...@gmail.com> wrote in <62706c9e-b801-47da...@googlegroups.com>:
On Tuesday, July 12, 2022 at 11:21:07 PM UTC-7, Jan Panteltje wrote:
People like McCarthy did see commies everywhere in the US, googgle wikipedia mccarthysism
But there were commies everywhere.
jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
On Sun, 17 Jul 2022 16:35:41 GMT, Jan Panteltje
<pNaonSt...@yahoo.com> wrote:
On a sunny day (Sun, 17 Jul 2022 09:33:22 -0400) it happened Phil Hobbs <pcdhSpamM...@electrooptical.net> wrote in <9a675cd5-a5d3-fa92...@electrooptical.net>:
Dimiter_Popoff wrote:
On 7/15/2022 21:44, Phil Hobbs wrote:
Dimiter_Popoff wrote:
On 7/15/2022 19:35, Phil Hobbs wrote:
Dimiter_Popoff wrote:
On 7/14/2022 19:22, Phil Hobbs wrote:
whit3rd wrote:
On Wednesday, July 13, 2022 at 7:56:21 AM UTC-7, Jan Panteltje wrote:
On a sunny day (Wed, 13 Jul 2022 01:00:04 -0700 (PDT)) it happened whit3rd <whi...@gmail.com> wrote in <62706c9e-b801-47da...@googlegroups.com>:
On Tuesday, July 12, 2022 at 11:21:07 PM UTC-7, Jan Panteltje wrote:
People like McCarthy did see commies everywhere in the US,
googgle wikipedia mccarthysism
But there were commies everywhere.
Not on the present scale.
They probably think that Noam Chomsky is a communist - when he is actually
an anarcho-syndicalist, which is the group that threw Karl Marx out of the international socialist movement back in 1871 because they (correctly) saw his enthusiasm for the leading role of the (what became the communist) party as undemocratic and likely to lead to tyranny.
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