• President Biden Announces New Actions to Ease the Burden of Housing Cos

    From Fred Bloggs@21:1/5 to All on Mon Jul 4 08:10:47 2022
    If you thought health insurance was complicated, take a look at this tangled web of government finance infrastructure. Supposedly each and every proposal is justified by an analytical model or simulation of some sort, but I doubt it, and because the bulk
    of it deals with low income, or even no income, prospects for break even might not look too good. Wondering if they looked at the history of disparity between what they plan and what they actually achieve. I don't seeing them drawing on past success
    stories to sell these plans.

    https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/statements-releases/2022/05/16/president-biden-announces-new-actions-to-ease-the-burden-of-housing-costs/

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    If you thought health insurance was complicated, take a look at this tangle= d web of government finance infrastructure. Supposedly each and every propo= sal is justified by an analytical model or simulation of some sort, but I d= oubt it, and because the bulk of it deals with low income, or even no incom= e, prospects for break even might not look too good. Wondering if they look= ed at the history of disparity between what they plan and what they actuall= y achieve. I don't seeing them drawing on past success stories to sell thes= e plans.

    https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/statements-releases/2022/05/16/pre= sident-biden-announces-new-actions-to-ease-the-burden-of-housing-costs/

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  • From jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com@21:1/5 to bloggs.fredbloggs.fred@gmail.com on Mon Jul 4 08:47:21 2022
    On Mon, 4 Jul 2022 08:10:47 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs <bloggs.fredbloggs.fred@gmail.com> wrote:

    If you thought health insurance was complicated, take a look at this tangled web of government finance infrastructure. Supposedly each and every proposal is justified by an analytical model or simulation of some sort, but I doubt it, and because the
    bulk of it deals with low income, or even no income, prospects for break even might not look too good. Wondering if they looked at the history of disparity between what they plan and what they actually achieve. I don't seeing them drawing on past success
    stories to sell these plans.

    https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/statements-releases/2022/05/16/president-biden-announces-new-actions-to-ease-the-burden-of-housing-costs/

    One thing I never see mentioned is the effect of immigration on
    housing cost. A million or so immigrants per year need somewhere to
    live.

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  • From Fred Bloggs@21:1/5 to John Doe on Mon Jul 4 08:43:34 2022
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    If you thought health insurance was complicated, take a look at this tangle=
    d web of government finance infrastructure. Supposedly each and every propo=
    sal is justified by an analytical model or simulation of some sort, but I d=
    oubt it, and because the bulk of it deals with low income, or even no incom=
    e, prospects for break even might not look too good. Wondering if they look=
    ed at the history of disparity between what they plan and what they actuall=
    y achieve. I don't seeing them drawing on past success stories to sell thes=
    e plans.

    https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/statements-releases/2022/05/16/pre=
    sident-biden-announces-new-actions-to-ease-the-burden-of-housing-costs/

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  • From Jeroen Belleman@21:1/5 to jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com on Mon Jul 4 19:51:01 2022
    On 2022-07-04 17:47, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
    On Mon, 4 Jul 2022 08:10:47 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs <bloggs.fredbloggs.fred@gmail.com> wrote:

    If you thought health insurance was complicated, take a look at this tangled web of government finance infrastructure. Supposedly each and every proposal is justified by an analytical model or simulation of some sort, but I doubt it, and because the
    bulk of it deals with low income, or even no income, prospects for break even might not look too good. Wondering if they looked at the history of disparity between what they plan and what they actually achieve. I don't seeing them drawing on past success
    stories to sell these plans.

    https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/statements-releases/2022/05/16/president-biden-announces-new-actions-to-ease-the-burden-of-housing-costs/

    One thing I never see mentioned is the effect of immigration on
    housing cost. A million or so immigrants per year need somewhere to
    live.


    The price of housing has always been "what the market can support".
    Any "help to ease the burden" can thus only result in increasing
    the price.

    Immigrants are rarely rich enough to buy.

    Jeroen Belleman

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  • From John Larkin@21:1/5 to jeroen@nospam.please on Mon Jul 4 11:08:02 2022
    On Mon, 04 Jul 2022 19:51:01 +0200, Jeroen Belleman
    <jeroen@nospam.please> wrote:

    On 2022-07-04 17:47, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
    On Mon, 4 Jul 2022 08:10:47 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs
    <bloggs.fredbloggs.fred@gmail.com> wrote:

    If you thought health insurance was complicated, take a look at this tangled web of government finance infrastructure. Supposedly each and every proposal is justified by an analytical model or simulation of some sort, but I doubt it, and because the
    bulk of it deals with low income, or even no income, prospects for break even might not look too good. Wondering if they looked at the history of disparity between what they plan and what they actually achieve. I don't seeing them drawing on past success
    stories to sell these plans.

    https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/statements-releases/2022/05/16/president-biden-announces-new-actions-to-ease-the-burden-of-housing-costs/

    One thing I never see mentioned is the effect of immigration on
    housing cost. A million or so immigrants per year need somewhere to
    live.


    The price of housing has always been "what the market can support".
    Any "help to ease the burden" can thus only result in increasing
    the price.

    Sure, resident subsidies increase prices. But increasing the supply
    will reduce price. Government tends to do more when the best thing is
    to do less.


    Immigrants are rarely rich enough to buy.

    But they have to live somewhere, and that increases demand hence
    price.


    Jeroen Belleman
    --

    If a man will begin with certainties, he shall end with doubts,
    but if he will be content to begin with doubts he shall end in certainties. Francis Bacon

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  • From Fred Bloggs@21:1/5 to Jeroen Belleman on Mon Jul 4 11:31:11 2022
    On Monday, July 4, 2022 at 1:51:10 PM UTC-4, Jeroen Belleman wrote:
    On 2022-07-04 17:47, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
    On Mon, 4 Jul 2022 08:10:47 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs <bloggs.fred...@gmail.com> wrote:

    If you thought health insurance was complicated, take a look at this tangled web of government finance infrastructure. Supposedly each and every proposal is justified by an analytical model or simulation of some sort, but I doubt it, and because the
    bulk of it deals with low income, or even no income, prospects for break even might not look too good. Wondering if they looked at the history of disparity between what they plan and what they actually achieve. I don't seeing them drawing on past success
    stories to sell these plans.

    https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/statements-releases/2022/05/16/president-biden-announces-new-actions-to-ease-the-burden-of-housing-costs/

    One thing I never see mentioned is the effect of immigration on
    housing cost. A million or so immigrants per year need somewhere to
    live.

    The price of housing has always been "what the market can support".
    Any "help to ease the burden" can thus only result in increasing
    the price.

    Immigrants are rarely rich enough to buy.

    The affordable housing they're talking about is only available to low income qualified individuals, it's not on the open market. It will reduce demand for overpriced housing and rentals thereby lowering the costs in those sectors, but not by a huge
    amount.


    Jeroen Belleman

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  • From John Larkin@21:1/5 to bloggs.fredbloggs.fred@gmail.com on Mon Jul 4 12:06:46 2022
    On Mon, 4 Jul 2022 11:31:11 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs <bloggs.fredbloggs.fred@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Monday, July 4, 2022 at 1:51:10 PM UTC-4, Jeroen Belleman wrote:
    On 2022-07-04 17:47, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
    On Mon, 4 Jul 2022 08:10:47 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs
    <bloggs.fred...@gmail.com> wrote:

    If you thought health insurance was complicated, take a look at this tangled web of government finance infrastructure. Supposedly each and every proposal is justified by an analytical model or simulation of some sort, but I doubt it, and because
    the bulk of it deals with low income, or even no income, prospects for break even might not look too good. Wondering if they looked at the history of disparity between what they plan and what they actually achieve. I don't seeing them drawing on past
    success stories to sell these plans.

    https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/statements-releases/2022/05/16/president-biden-announces-new-actions-to-ease-the-burden-of-housing-costs/

    One thing I never see mentioned is the effect of immigration on
    housing cost. A million or so immigrants per year need somewhere to
    live.

    The price of housing has always been "what the market can support".
    Any "help to ease the burden" can thus only result in increasing
    the price.

    Immigrants are rarely rich enough to buy.

    The affordable housing they're talking about is only available to low income qualified individuals, it's not on the open market. It will reduce demand for overpriced housing and rentals thereby lowering the costs in those sectors, but not by a huge
    amount.


    Jeroen Belleman

    One phenom here is developers buying dinky old houses, tearing them
    down, and building a single $5 million, 5K sq ft monster. Many areas
    are zoned for single-family.

    The work-at-home thing may take the pressure off big cities, let
    people spread out into small towns and burbs. I have a friend who
    manages sw development for a cubesat company; he left the SF bay area
    and cashed in some bitcoins for a farm in Tennessee.

    Rents are down here now. This work-at-home thing may be permanent.
    Makes sense.



    --

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    but if he will be content to begin with doubts he shall end in certainties. Francis Bacon

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  • From Ralph Mowery@21:1/5 to All on Mon Jul 4 16:28:20 2022
    In article <avd6ch1sgj1smcbug1td2devagkhvcr71c@4ax.com>, jlarkin@highland_atwork_technology.com says...

    One phenom here is developers buying dinky old houses, tearing them
    down, and building a single $5 million, 5K sq ft monster. Many areas
    are zoned for single-family.




    Similar to around here. Shacks that are barley liveable are being taxed
    on te land value of about $ 200,000 to $ 300,00. The poor peoplke can
    not afford the tax so they have to move but sell the shacks for around
    that much. Then $ 500,000 homes are built.

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  • From Fred Bloggs@21:1/5 to John Larkin on Mon Jul 4 13:32:54 2022
    On Monday, July 4, 2022 at 3:06:58 PM UTC-4, John Larkin wrote:
    On Mon, 4 Jul 2022 11:31:11 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs <bloggs.fred...@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Monday, July 4, 2022 at 1:51:10 PM UTC-4, Jeroen Belleman wrote:
    On 2022-07-04 17:47, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
    On Mon, 4 Jul 2022 08:10:47 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs
    <bloggs.fred...@gmail.com> wrote:

    If you thought health insurance was complicated, take a look at this tangled web of government finance infrastructure. Supposedly each and every proposal is justified by an analytical model or simulation of some sort, but I doubt it, and because
    the bulk of it deals with low income, or even no income, prospects for break even might not look too good. Wondering if they looked at the history of disparity between what they plan and what they actually achieve. I don't seeing them drawing on past
    success stories to sell these plans.

    https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/statements-releases/2022/05/16/president-biden-announces-new-actions-to-ease-the-burden-of-housing-costs/

    One thing I never see mentioned is the effect of immigration on
    housing cost. A million or so immigrants per year need somewhere to
    live.

    The price of housing has always been "what the market can support".
    Any "help to ease the burden" can thus only result in increasing
    the price.

    Immigrants are rarely rich enough to buy.

    The affordable housing they're talking about is only available to low income qualified individuals, it's not on the open market. It will reduce demand for overpriced housing and rentals thereby lowering the costs in those sectors, but not by a huge
    amount.


    Jeroen Belleman
    One phenom here is developers buying dinky old houses, tearing them
    down, and building a single $5 million, 5K sq ft monster. Many areas
    are zoned for single-family.

    Tokyo does that. Land sells by the square foot. Despite the super high density they continue to make room for their tranquility gardens, even if it means locating in the interior foot print.


    The work-at-home thing may take the pressure off big cities, let
    people spread out into small towns and burbs. I have a friend who
    manages sw development for a cubesat company; he left the SF bay area
    and cashed in some bitcoins for a farm in Tennessee.

    Rents are down here now. This work-at-home thing may be permanent.
    Makes sense.

    An article from Business Insider identified a trend of high tech possibly going with a lot more overseas talent via the work at home capability, especially the companies having trouble finding qualified candidates. High tech doesn't sound so high to me
    if they're just catching on now.


    --

    If a man will begin with certainties, he shall end with doubts,
    but if he will be content to begin with doubts he shall end in certainties. Francis Bacon

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  • From John Larkin@21:1/5 to rmowery42@charter.net on Mon Jul 4 14:01:01 2022
    On Mon, 4 Jul 2022 16:28:20 -0400, Ralph Mowery
    <rmowery42@charter.net> wrote:

    In article <avd6ch1sgj1smcbug1td2devagkhvcr71c@4ax.com>, >jlarkin@highland_atwork_technology.com says...

    One phenom here is developers buying dinky old houses, tearing them
    down, and building a single $5 million, 5K sq ft monster. Many areas
    are zoned for single-family.




    Similar to around here. Shacks that are barley liveable are being taxed
    on te land value of about $ 200,000 to $ 300,00. The poor peoplke can
    not afford the tax so they have to move but sell the shacks for around
    that much. Then $ 500,000 homes are built.

    CA has Prop 13, which nails assessments at about original purchase
    price. Our next-door neighbors have an identical house, built at the
    same time as ours, but bought it last year so pay about 5x our
    property tax.

    Our neighbors on the other side are assessed at about $80k, the
    long-ago purchase price. They must pay 1/5 of our tax!


    --

    If a man will begin with certainties, he shall end with doubts,
    but if he will be content to begin with doubts he shall end in certainties. Francis Bacon

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  • From John Larkin@21:1/5 to bloggs.fredbloggs.fred@gmail.com on Mon Jul 4 14:09:01 2022
    On Mon, 4 Jul 2022 13:32:54 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs <bloggs.fredbloggs.fred@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Monday, July 4, 2022 at 3:06:58 PM UTC-4, John Larkin wrote:
    On Mon, 4 Jul 2022 11:31:11 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs
    <bloggs.fred...@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Monday, July 4, 2022 at 1:51:10 PM UTC-4, Jeroen Belleman wrote:
    On 2022-07-04 17:47, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
    On Mon, 4 Jul 2022 08:10:47 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs
    <bloggs.fred...@gmail.com> wrote:

    If you thought health insurance was complicated, take a look at this tangled web of government finance infrastructure. Supposedly each and every proposal is justified by an analytical model or simulation of some sort, but I doubt it, and because
    the bulk of it deals with low income, or even no income, prospects for break even might not look too good. Wondering if they looked at the history of disparity between what they plan and what they actually achieve. I don't seeing them drawing on past
    success stories to sell these plans.

    https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/statements-releases/2022/05/16/president-biden-announces-new-actions-to-ease-the-burden-of-housing-costs/

    One thing I never see mentioned is the effect of immigration on
    housing cost. A million or so immigrants per year need somewhere to
    live.

    The price of housing has always been "what the market can support".
    Any "help to ease the burden" can thus only result in increasing
    the price.

    Immigrants are rarely rich enough to buy.

    The affordable housing they're talking about is only available to low income qualified individuals, it's not on the open market. It will reduce demand for overpriced housing and rentals thereby lowering the costs in those sectors, but not by a huge
    amount.


    Jeroen Belleman
    One phenom here is developers buying dinky old houses, tearing them
    down, and building a single $5 million, 5K sq ft monster. Many areas
    are zoned for single-family.

    The beasts cover every square foot of the lot with house. They leave a
    tiny token garden. The living rooms look like bowling alleys. We'd be embarassed to live in one. And they are universally ugly on the
    outside.


    Tokyo does that. Land sells by the square foot. Despite the super high density they continue to make room for their tranquility gardens, even if it means locating in the interior foot print.

    I saw a pic of a gigantic high-rise building in Tokyo with a notch in
    one side. The owner of a tiny noodle shop was offered millions for it
    but wouldn't sell.

    --

    If a man will begin with certainties, he shall end with doubts,
    but if he will be content to begin with doubts he shall end in certainties. Francis Bacon

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  • From Lasse Langwadt Christensen@21:1/5 to All on Mon Jul 4 14:17:57 2022
    mandag den 4. juli 2022 kl. 23.09.11 UTC+2 skrev John Larkin:
    On Mon, 4 Jul 2022 13:32:54 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs <bloggs.fred...@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Monday, July 4, 2022 at 3:06:58 PM UTC-4, John Larkin wrote:
    On Mon, 4 Jul 2022 11:31:11 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs
    <bloggs.fred...@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Monday, July 4, 2022 at 1:51:10 PM UTC-4, Jeroen Belleman wrote:
    On 2022-07-04 17:47, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
    On Mon, 4 Jul 2022 08:10:47 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs
    <bloggs.fred...@gmail.com> wrote:

    If you thought health insurance was complicated, take a look at this tangled web of government finance infrastructure. Supposedly each and every proposal is justified by an analytical model or simulation of some sort, but I doubt it, and
    because the bulk of it deals with low income, or even no income, prospects for break even might not look too good. Wondering if they looked at the history of disparity between what they plan and what they actually achieve. I don't seeing them drawing on
    past success stories to sell these plans.

    https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/statements-releases/2022/05/16/president-biden-announces-new-actions-to-ease-the-burden-of-housing-costs/

    One thing I never see mentioned is the effect of immigration on
    housing cost. A million or so immigrants per year need somewhere to >> >> > live.

    The price of housing has always been "what the market can support".
    Any "help to ease the burden" can thus only result in increasing
    the price.

    Immigrants are rarely rich enough to buy.

    The affordable housing they're talking about is only available to low income qualified individuals, it's not on the open market. It will reduce demand for overpriced housing and rentals thereby lowering the costs in those sectors, but not by a huge
    amount.


    Jeroen Belleman
    One phenom here is developers buying dinky old houses, tearing them
    down, and building a single $5 million, 5K sq ft monster. Many areas
    are zoned for single-family.
    The beasts cover every square foot of the lot with house. They leave a
    tiny token garden. The living rooms look like bowling alleys. We'd be embarassed to live in one. And they are universally ugly on the
    outside.

    Tokyo does that. Land sells by the square foot. Despite the super high density they continue to make room for their tranquility gardens, even if it means locating in the interior foot print.
    I saw a pic of a gigantic high-rise building in Tokyo with a notch in
    one side. The owner of a tiny noodle shop was offered millions for it
    but wouldn't sell.

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-5016357/Grand-Designs-couple-build-323k-east-London-house.html

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  • From John Larkin@21:1/5 to langwadt@fonz.dk on Mon Jul 4 15:03:19 2022
    On Mon, 4 Jul 2022 14:17:57 -0700 (PDT), Lasse Langwadt Christensen <langwadt@fonz.dk> wrote:

    mandag den 4. juli 2022 kl. 23.09.11 UTC+2 skrev John Larkin:
    On Mon, 4 Jul 2022 13:32:54 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs
    <bloggs.fred...@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Monday, July 4, 2022 at 3:06:58 PM UTC-4, John Larkin wrote:
    On Mon, 4 Jul 2022 11:31:11 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs
    <bloggs.fred...@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Monday, July 4, 2022 at 1:51:10 PM UTC-4, Jeroen Belleman wrote:
    On 2022-07-04 17:47, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
    On Mon, 4 Jul 2022 08:10:47 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs
    <bloggs.fred...@gmail.com> wrote:

    If you thought health insurance was complicated, take a look at this tangled web of government finance infrastructure. Supposedly each and every proposal is justified by an analytical model or simulation of some sort, but I doubt it, and
    because the bulk of it deals with low income, or even no income, prospects for break even might not look too good. Wondering if they looked at the history of disparity between what they plan and what they actually achieve. I don't seeing them drawing on
    past success stories to sell these plans.

    https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/statements-releases/2022/05/16/president-biden-announces-new-actions-to-ease-the-burden-of-housing-costs/

    One thing I never see mentioned is the effect of immigration on
    housing cost. A million or so immigrants per year need somewhere to >> >> >> > live.

    The price of housing has always been "what the market can support".
    Any "help to ease the burden" can thus only result in increasing
    the price.

    Immigrants are rarely rich enough to buy.

    The affordable housing they're talking about is only available to low income qualified individuals, it's not on the open market. It will reduce demand for overpriced housing and rentals thereby lowering the costs in those sectors, but not by a
    huge amount.


    Jeroen Belleman
    One phenom here is developers buying dinky old houses, tearing them
    down, and building a single $5 million, 5K sq ft monster. Many areas
    are zoned for single-family.
    The beasts cover every square foot of the lot with house. They leave a
    tiny token garden. The living rooms look like bowling alleys. We'd be
    embarassed to live in one. And they are universally ugly on the
    outside.

    Tokyo does that. Land sells by the square foot. Despite the super high density they continue to make room for their tranquility gardens, even if it means locating in the interior foot print.
    I saw a pic of a gigantic high-rise building in Tokyo with a notch in
    one side. The owner of a tiny noodle shop was offered millions for it
    but wouldn't sell.

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-5016357/Grand-Designs-couple-build-323k-east-London-house.html

    I wonder what is the origin of "barely - or not enough - enough room
    to swing a cat" ?

    Groucho Marx used it in one movie, but I think P G Wodehouse used it
    in a novel before that.

    --

    If a man will begin with certainties, he shall end with doubts,
    but if he will be content to begin with doubts he shall end in certainties. Francis Bacon

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  • From rbowman@21:1/5 to John Larkin on Mon Jul 4 16:55:15 2022
    On 07/04/2022 04:03 PM, John Larkin wrote:
    On Mon, 4 Jul 2022 14:17:57 -0700 (PDT), Lasse Langwadt Christensen <langwadt@fonz.dk> wrote:

    mandag den 4. juli 2022 kl. 23.09.11 UTC+2 skrev John Larkin:
    On Mon, 4 Jul 2022 13:32:54 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs
    <bloggs.fred...@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Monday, July 4, 2022 at 3:06:58 PM UTC-4, John Larkin wrote:
    On Mon, 4 Jul 2022 11:31:11 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs
    <bloggs.fred...@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Monday, July 4, 2022 at 1:51:10 PM UTC-4, Jeroen Belleman wrote: >>>>>>> On 2022-07-04 17:47, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
    On Mon, 4 Jul 2022 08:10:47 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs
    <bloggs.fred...@gmail.com> wrote:

    If you thought health insurance was complicated, take a look at this tangled web of government finance infrastructure. Supposedly each and every proposal is justified by an analytical model or simulation of some sort, but I doubt it, and
    because the bulk of it deals with low income, or even no income, prospects for break even might not look too good. Wondering if they looked at the history of disparity between what they plan and what they actually achieve. I don't seeing them drawing on
    past success stories to sell these plans.

    https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/statements-releases/2022/05/16/president-biden-announces-new-actions-to-ease-the-burden-of-housing-costs/

    One thing I never see mentioned is the effect of immigration on >>>>>>>> housing cost. A million or so immigrants per year need somewhere to >>>>>>>> live.

    The price of housing has always been "what the market can support". >>>>>>> Any "help to ease the burden" can thus only result in increasing >>>>>>> the price.

    Immigrants are rarely rich enough to buy.

    The affordable housing they're talking about is only available to low income qualified individuals, it's not on the open market. It will reduce demand for overpriced housing and rentals thereby lowering the costs in those sectors, but not by a
    huge amount.


    Jeroen Belleman
    One phenom here is developers buying dinky old houses, tearing them
    down, and building a single $5 million, 5K sq ft monster. Many areas >>>>> are zoned for single-family.
    The beasts cover every square foot of the lot with house. They leave a
    tiny token garden. The living rooms look like bowling alleys. We'd be
    embarassed to live in one. And they are universally ugly on the
    outside.

    Tokyo does that. Land sells by the square foot. Despite the super high density they continue to make room for their tranquility gardens, even if it means locating in the interior foot print.
    I saw a pic of a gigantic high-rise building in Tokyo with a notch in
    one side. The owner of a tiny noodle shop was offered millions for it
    but wouldn't sell.

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-5016357/Grand-Designs-couple-build-323k-east-London-house.html

    I wonder what is the origin of "barely - or not enough - enough room
    to swing a cat" ?

    Groucho Marx used it in one movie, but I think P G Wodehouse used it
    in a novel before that.


    One theory is the cat in question is not a feline but the whip employed
    by the British Navy. Floggings were administered on deck since there
    wasn't enough room below to swing it properly.

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  • From Lasse Langwadt Christensen@21:1/5 to All on Mon Jul 4 16:03:30 2022
    tirsdag den 5. juli 2022 kl. 00.55.23 UTC+2 skrev rbowman:
    On 07/04/2022 04:03 PM, John Larkin wrote:
    On Mon, 4 Jul 2022 14:17:57 -0700 (PDT), Lasse Langwadt Christensen <lang...@fonz.dk> wrote:

    mandag den 4. juli 2022 kl. 23.09.11 UTC+2 skrev John Larkin:
    On Mon, 4 Jul 2022 13:32:54 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs
    <bloggs.fred...@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Monday, July 4, 2022 at 3:06:58 PM UTC-4, John Larkin wrote:
    On Mon, 4 Jul 2022 11:31:11 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs
    <bloggs.fred...@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Monday, July 4, 2022 at 1:51:10 PM UTC-4, Jeroen Belleman wrote: >>>>>>> On 2022-07-04 17:47, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote: >>>>>>>> On Mon, 4 Jul 2022 08:10:47 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs
    <bloggs.fred...@gmail.com> wrote:

    If you thought health insurance was complicated, take a look at this tangled web of government finance infrastructure. Supposedly each and every proposal is justified by an analytical model or simulation of some sort, but I doubt it, and
    because the bulk of it deals with low income, or even no income, prospects for break even might not look too good. Wondering if they looked at the history of disparity between what they plan and what they actually achieve. I don't seeing them drawing on
    past success stories to sell these plans.

    https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/statements-releases/2022/05/16/president-biden-announces-new-actions-to-ease-the-burden-of-housing-costs/

    One thing I never see mentioned is the effect of immigration on >>>>>>>> housing cost. A million or so immigrants per year need somewhere to >>>>>>>> live.

    The price of housing has always been "what the market can support". >>>>>>> Any "help to ease the burden" can thus only result in increasing >>>>>>> the price.

    Immigrants are rarely rich enough to buy.

    The affordable housing they're talking about is only available to low income qualified individuals, it's not on the open market. It will reduce demand for overpriced housing and rentals thereby lowering the costs in those sectors, but not by a
    huge amount.


    Jeroen Belleman
    One phenom here is developers buying dinky old houses, tearing them >>>>> down, and building a single $5 million, 5K sq ft monster. Many areas >>>>> are zoned for single-family.
    The beasts cover every square foot of the lot with house. They leave a >>> tiny token garden. The living rooms look like bowling alleys. We'd be >>> embarassed to live in one. And they are universally ugly on the
    outside.

    Tokyo does that. Land sells by the square foot. Despite the super high density they continue to make room for their tranquility gardens, even if it means locating in the interior foot print.
    I saw a pic of a gigantic high-rise building in Tokyo with a notch in >>> one side. The owner of a tiny noodle shop was offered millions for it >>> but wouldn't sell.

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-5016357/Grand-Designs-couple-build-323k-east-London-house.html

    I wonder what is the origin of "barely - or not enough - enough room
    to swing a cat" ?

    Groucho Marx used it in one movie, but I think P G Wodehouse used it
    in a novel before that.

    One theory is the cat in question is not a feline but the whip employed
    by the British Navy. Floggings were administered on deck since there
    wasn't enough room below to swing it properly.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cat_o%27_nine_tails

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  • From John Doe@21:1/5 to John Doe on Tue Jul 5 22:51:24 2022
    XPost: free.spam, free.spam

    Eddie, the Astraweb nym-shifting forger is trolling off-topic and other posts with its copy of my ID, then replies (or not) to its own post.

    See also...
    Edward H. <dtgamer99 gmail.com>
    Edward Hernandez <dtgamer99 gmail.com>
    Peter Weiner <dtgamer99 gmail.com>
    John Doe <always.look message.header> (Astraweb, Aioe.org)
    Bertrand Sindri <bertrand.sindri yahoo.com> (unlikely but possible)

    --
    John Doe <always.look@message.header> wrote:

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    highwinds-media.com!fx03.ams4.POSTED!not-for-mail
    From: John Doe <always.look@message.header>
    Newsgroups: sci.electronics.design,free.spam
    Subject: President Biden Announces New Actions to Ease the Burden of Housing Costs
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    Google spam...

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    Fred Bloggs <bloggs.fredbloggs.fred@gmail.com> wrote:

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    If you thought health insurance was complicated, take a look at this tangle= >> d web of government finance infrastructure. Supposedly each and every propo= >> sal is justified by an analytical model or simulation of some sort, but I d= >> oubt it, and because the bulk of it deals with low income, or even no incom= >> e, prospects for break even might not look too good. Wondering if they look= >> ed at the history of disparity between what they plan and what they actuall= >> y achieve. I don't seeing them drawing on past success stories to sell thes= >> e plans.

    https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/statements-releases/2022/05/16/pre= >> sident-biden-announces-new-actions-to-ease-the-burden-of-housing-costs/




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  • From John Doe@21:1/5 to Fred Bloggs on Tue Jul 5 23:00:23 2022
    XPost: free.spam

    The real John Doe didn't post that first reply. And... Doubtful Eddie, the forger, is a fan of Donald Trump.

    Difficult to believe how easily some regulars (like this one) are duped by nym-shifting trolls (like Edward Hernandez).

    Especially when the ID Eddie is copying includes the advice... "ALWAYS
    LOOK AT MESSAGE HEADER" !!!

    This poster is hopeless...

    --
    Fred Bloggs <bloggs.fredbloggs.fred@gmail.com> wrote:

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    On Monday, July 4, 2022 at 11:20:26 AM UTC-4, John Doe wrote:
    Google spam...

    Yes- we know that about you already...

    Looks like your delusional moron buddy is going to announce his candidacy soon- running a campaign from a prison cell will definitely put him at a disadvantage.


    --
    Fred Bloggs <bloggs.fred...@gmail.com> wrote:

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    If you thought health insurance was complicated, take a look at this tangle=
    d web of government finance infrastructure. Supposedly each and every propo=
    sal is justified by an analytical model or simulation of some sort, but I d=
    oubt it, and because the bulk of it deals with low income, or even no incom=
    e, prospects for break even might not look too good. Wondering if they look=
    ed at the history of disparity between what they plan and what they actuall=
    y achieve. I don't seeing them drawing on past success stories to sell thes=
    e plans.

    https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/statements-releases/2022/05/16/pre=
    sident-biden-announces-new-actions-to-ease-the-burden-of-housing-costs/


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  • From DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno@decadenc@21:1/5 to John Dope on Tue Jul 5 23:07:17 2022
    John Dope <always.look@message.header> wrote in news:ta2fq7$3qkgi$8@dont-email.me:

    Subject: Re: President Biden Announces New Actions to Ease the
    Burden of Housing Costs From: John Doe
    <always.look@message.header> Newsgroups:
    sci.electronics.design,free.spam

    The real John Doe didn't post that first reply. And... Doubtful
    Eddie, the forger, is a fan of Donald Trump.


    NONE of you idiots are "The real John Doe". It is a fictional
    character some retarded twerp here wants to project some lame
    association with. As if he had the character and honor and integrity
    of the character he filched the name from.

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  • From Edward Hernandez@21:1/5 to All on Tue Jul 5 23:19:46 2022
    XPost: free.spam, free.spam

    In message-id <t6nt3e$7bp$3@dont-email.me> (http://al.howardknight.net/?ID=165357273000) posted Thu, 26 May 2022
    12:50:54 -0000 (UTC) Troll Doe stated:

    Always Wrong, the utterly foulmouthed group idiot, adding absolutely
    NOTHING but insults to this thread, as usual...

    Yet, since Wed, 5 Jan 2022 04:10:38 -0000 (UTC) Troll Doe's post ratio
    to USENET (**) has been 67.5% of its posts contributing "nothing except insults" to USENET.

    ** Since Wed, 5 Jan 2022 04:10:38 -0000 (UTC) Troll Doe has posted at
    least 2592 articles to USENET. Of which 176 have been pure insults and
    1574 have been Troll Doe "troll format" postings.

    The John Dope troll stated the following in message-id <sdhn7c$pkp$4@dont-email.me>:

    The troll doesn't even know how to format a USENET post...

    And the John Dope troll stated the following in message-id <sg3kr7$qt5$1@dont-email.me>:

    The reason Bozo cannot figure out how to get Google to keep from
    breaking its lines in inappropriate places is because Bozo is
    CLUELESS...

    And yet, the clueless John Dope troll has continued to post incorrectly formatted USENET articles that are devoid of content (latest example on
    Tue, 5 Jul 2022 22:51:24 -0000 (UTC) in message-id <ta2f9b$3qkgi$6@dont-email.me>).

    NOBODY likes the John Doe troll's contentless spam.

    This posting is a public service announcement for any google groups
    readers who happen by to point out that John Doe does not even follow
    the rules it uses to troll other posters.

    h03hs8Y8yZ1F

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  • From DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno@decadenc@21:1/5 to John Dope on Tue Jul 5 23:36:24 2022
    John Dope <always.look@message.header> wrote in news:ta2hfd$3qkgi$10@dont-email.me:

    The idiot original poster INCORRECTLY associated *me* with Edward
    Hernandez's forgery of my ID.

    That's obvious because the original poster attributed a liking for
    Donald Trump with that poster (Edward Hernandez) who probably
    doesn't like Donald Trump.

    That's not protecting "a lame association" with "John Doe", it
    simply making a correction.

    Besides, my ID is not just "John Dope", my ID includes "ALWAYS LOOK
    AT MESSAGE HEADER".

    Always Wrong, being wrong, as always...


    I was referring to the character of the character (in the story) and
    the lack of character of the character that filched it (YOU).

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  • From John Doe@21:1/5 to DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno@decadenc on Tue Jul 5 23:28:45 2022
    XPost: free.spam

    The idiot original poster INCORRECTLY associated *me* with Edward
    Hernandez's forgery of my ID.

    That's obvious because the original poster attributed a liking for Donald
    Trump with that poster (Edward Hernandez) who probably doesn't like Donald Trump.

    That's not protecting "a lame association" with "John Doe", it simply
    making a correction.

    Besides, my ID is not just "John Doe", my ID includes "ALWAYS LOOK AT
    MESSAGE HEADER".

    Always Wrong, being wrong, as always...

    --
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    Newsgroups: sci.electronics.design
    Subject: Re: President Biden Announces New Actions to Ease the Burden of Housing Costs
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    John Dope <always.look@message.header> wrote in news:ta2fq7$3qkgi$8@dont-email.me:

    Subject: Re: President Biden Announces New Actions to Ease the
    Burden of Housing Costs From: John Doe
    <always.look@message.header> Newsgroups:
    sci.electronics.design,free.spam

    The real John Doe didn't post that first reply. And... Doubtful
    Eddie, the forger, is a fan of Donald Trump.


    NONE of you idiots are "The real John Doe". It is a fictional
    character some retarded twerp here wants to project some lame
    association with. As if he had the character and honor and integrity
    of the character he filched the name from.



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  • From Edward Hernandez@21:1/5 to All on Tue Jul 5 23:38:23 2022
    XPost: free.spam

    Troll Doe stated the following in message-id
    <svsh05$lbh$5@dont-email.me>
    (http://al.howardknight.net/?ID=164904625100) posted Fri, 4 Mar 2022
    08:01:09 -0000 (UTC):

    Compared to other regulars, Bozo contributes practically nothing
    except insults to this group.

    Yet, since Wed, 5 Jan 2022 04:10:38 -0000 (UTC) Troll Doe's post ratio
    to USENET (**) has been 67.5% of its posts contributing "nothing except insults" to USENET.

    ** Since Wed, 5 Jan 2022 04:10:38 -0000 (UTC) Troll Doe has posted at
    least 2594 articles to USENET. Of which 176 have been pure insults and
    1576 have been Troll Doe "troll format" postings.

    The John Dope troll stated the following in message-id <sdhn7c$pkp$4@dont-email.me>:

    The troll doesn't even know how to format a USENET post...

    And the John Dope troll stated the following in message-id <sg3kr7$qt5$1@dont-email.me>:

    The reason Bozo cannot figure out how to get Google to keep from
    breaking its lines in inappropriate places is because Bozo is
    CLUELESS...

    And yet, the clueless John Dope troll has itself posted yet another
    incorrectly formatted USENET posting on Tue, 5 Jul 2022 23:28:45 -0000
    (UTC) in message-id <ta2hfd$3qkgi$10@dont-email.me>.

    tCQz4YkSP0Cf

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  • From John Doe@21:1/5 to All on Tue Jul 5 23:57:18 2022
    Astraweb nym-shifting forgers like Edward Hernandez can copy anybody's ID.

    The problem is morons who are not capable enough to view message headers,
    then attributing Astraweb forgeries to others.

    Doubtful anybody would copy Always Wrong's ID for any purpose whatsoever,
    like "Ewww!", but that's another subject.

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