• We all love Carbon, we all love CO2

    From a a@21:1/5 to All on Tue Jun 21 10:04:35 2022
    -CO2 is welcome
    -CO2 is Plant Food
    -Plants are Animal Food
    -Animals are Human Food

    -More CO2 more Human Food
    -to end the world hunger

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  • From whit3rd@21:1/5 to a a on Tue Jun 21 10:55:00 2022
    On Tuesday, June 21, 2022 at 10:04:41 AM UTC-7, a a wrote:
    -CO2 is welcome
    -CO2 is Plant Food
    -Plants are Animal Food
    -Animals are Human Food

    -More CO2 more Human Food
    -to end the world hunger

    Steer manure is Plant Food.
    a a is donating bullshit, but the plants don't benefit from that.
    Similar label, different product. Bullshit, for example, is not welcome.

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    -CO2 is welcome
    -CO2 is Plant Food
    -Plants are Animal Food
    -Animals are Human Food

    -More CO2 more Human Food
    -to end the world hunger

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  • From a a@21:1/5 to All on Tue Jun 21 13:47:07 2022
    On Tuesday, 21 June 2022 at 19:55:07 UTC+2, whit3rd wrote:
    On Tuesday, June 21, 2022 at 10:04:41 AM UTC-7, a a wrote:
    -CO2 is welcome
    -CO2 is Plant Food
    -Plants are Animal Food
    -Animals are Human Food

    -More CO2 more Human Food
    -to end the world hunger
    Steer manure is Plant Food.
    a a is donating bullshit, but the plants don't benefit from that.
    Similar label, different product. Bullshit, for example, is not welcome.

    Soil carbon is the solid carbon stored in global soils. This includes both soil organic matter and inorganic carbon as carbonate minerals.[1] Soil carbon is a carbon sink in regard to the global carbon cycle, playing a role in biogeochemistry, climate
    change mitigation, and constructing global climate models.[2]
    Contents

    1 Overview
    2 Global carbon cycle
    3 Organic carbon
    3.1 Soil health
    3.2 Losses
    3.3 Managing soil carbon
    3.3.1 Data available on soil organic carbon
    3.3.1.1 Europe
    3.3.2 Managing for catchment health
    3.4 Forest soils
    4 See also
    5 References

    Overview
    Part of a series on the
    Carbon cycle
    Forms of organic matter.webp
    By regions

    Terrestrial Marine Atmospheric Deep carbon Soil Permafrost Boreal forest Geochemistry

    Carbon dioxide
    Forms of carbon
    Metabolic pathways
    Carbon respiration
    Carbon pumps
    Carbon sequestration
    Methane
    Biogeochemical
    Other

    vte

    Soil carbon is present in two forms: inorganic and organic. Soil inorganic carbon consists of mineral forms of carbon, either from weathering of parent material, or from reaction of soil minerals with atmospheric CO2. Carbonate minerals are the dominant
    form of soil carbon in desert climates. Soil organic carbon is present as soil organic matter. It includes relatively available carbon as fresh plant remains and relatively inert carbon in materials derived from plant remains: humus and charcoal.[3]
    Global carbon cycle
    See also: Carbon cycle

    Although exact quantities are difficult to measure, human activities have caused substantial losses of soil organic carbon.[4] Of the 2,700 Gt of carbon stored in soils worldwide, 1550 GtC is organic and 950 GtC is inorganic carbon, which is
    approximately three times greater than the current atmospheric carbon and 240 times higher compared with the current annual fossil fuel emission.[5] The balance of soil carbon is held in peat and wetlands (150 GtC), and in plant litter at the soil
    surface (50 GtC). This compares to 780 GtC in the atmosphere, and 600 GtC in all living organisms. The oceanic pool of carbon accounts for 38,200 GtC.

    About 60 GtC/yr accumulates in the soil. This 60 GtC/yr is the balance of 120 GtC/yr contracted from the atmosphere by terrestrial plant photosynthesis reduced by 60 GtC/yr of plant respiration. An equivalent 60 GtC/yr is respired from soil, joining the
    60G tC/yr plant respiration to return to the atmosphere.[6][7]
    Organic carbon
    Soil carbon cycle through the microbial loop
    Carbon dioxide in the atmosphere is fixed by plants (or autotrophic microorganisms) and added to soil through processes such as (1) root exudation of low-molecular weight simple carbon compounds, or deposition of leaf and root litter leading to
    accumulation of complex plant polysaccharides. (2) Through these processes, carbon is made bioavailable to the microbial metabolic "factory" and subsequently is either (3) respired to the atmosphere or (4) enters the stable carbon pool as microbial
    necromass. The exact balance of carbon efflux versus persistence is a function of several factors, including aboveground plant community composition and root exudate profiles, environmental variables, and collective microbial phenotypes (i.e., the
    metaphenome).[8][9]
    Main article: Soil organic matter

    Soil organic carbon is divided between living soil biota and dead biotic material derived from biomass. Together these comprise the soil food web, with the living component sustained by the biotic material component. Soil biota includes earthworms,
    nematodes, protozoa, fungi, bacteria and different arthropods.

    Detritus resulting from plant senescence is the major source of soil organic carbon. Plant materials, with cell walls high in cellulose and lignin, are decomposed and the not-respired carbon is retained as humus. Cellulose and starches readily degrade,
    resulting in short residence times. More persistent forms of organic C include lignin, humus, organic matter encapsulated in soil aggregates, and charcoal. These resist alteration and have long residence times.

    Soil organic carbon tends to be concentrated in the topsoil. Topsoil ranges from 0.5% to 3.0% organic carbon for most upland soils. Soils with less than 0.5% organic C are mostly limited to desert areas. Soils containing greater than 12–18% organic
    carbon are generally classified as organic soils. High levels of organic C develop in soils supporting wetland ecology, flood deposition, fire ecology, and human activity.

    Fire derived forms of carbon are present in most soils as unweathered charcoal and weathered black carbon.[10][11] Soil organic carbon is typically 5–50% derived from char,[12] with levels above 50% encountered in mollisol, chernozem, and terra preta
    soils.[13]

    Root exudates are another source of soil carbon.[14] 5–20% of the total plant carbon fixed during photosynthesis is supplied as root exudates in support of rhizospheric mutualistic biota.[15][16] Microbial populations are typically higher in the
    rhizosphere than in adjacent bulk soil.
    Soil health
    Main article: Soil health

    Organic carbon is vital to soil capacity to provide edaphic ecosystem services. The condition of this capacity is termed soil health, a term that communicates the value of understanding soil as a living system as opposed to an abiotic component. Specific
    carbon related benchmarks used to evaluate soil health include CO2 release, humus levels, and microbial metabolic activity.
    Losses

    The exchange of carbon between soils and the atmosphere is a significant part of the world carbon cycle.[17] Carbon, as it relates to the organic matter of soils, is a major component of soil and catchment health. Several factors affect the variation
    that exists in soil organic matter and soil carbon; the most significant has, in contemporary times, been the influence of humans and agricultural systems.

    Although exact quantities are difficult to measure, human activities have caused massive losses of soil organic carbon.[4] First was the use of fire, which removes soil cover and leads to immediate and continuing losses of soil organic carbon. Tillage
    and drainage both expose soil organic matter to oxygen and oxidation. In the Netherlands, East Anglia, Florida, and the California Delta, subsidence of peat lands from oxidation has been severe as a result of tillage and drainage. Grazing management that
    exposes soil (through either excessive or insufficient recovery periods) can also cause losses of soil organic carbon.
    See also: Soil carbon feedback
    Managing soil carbon

    Natural variations in soil carbon occur as a result of climate, organisms, parent material, time, and relief.[18] The greatest contemporary influence has been that of humans; for example, carbon in Australian agricultural soils may historically have been
    twice the present range that is typically from 1.6 to 4.6 per cent.[19]

    It has long been encouraged that farmers adjust practices to maintain or increase the organic component in the soil. On one hand, practices that hasten oxidation of carbon (such as burning crop stubbles or over-cultivation) are discouraged; on the other
    hand, incorporation of organic material (such as in manuring) has been encouraged. Increasing soil carbon is not a straightforward matter; it is made complex by the relative activity of soil biota, which can consume and release carbon and are made more
    active by the addition of nitrogen fertilizers.[18]
    Data available on soil organic carbon
    A portable soil respiration system measuring soil CO2 flux
    Europe

    The most homogeneous and comprehensive data on the organic carbon/matter content of European soils remain those that can be extracted and/or derived from the European Soil Database in combination with associated databases on land cover, climate, and
    topography. The modelled data refer to carbon content (%) in the surface horizon of soils in Europe. In an inventory on available national datasets, seven member states of the European Union have available datasets on organic carbon. In the article "
    Estimating soil organic carbon in Europe based on data collected through a European network" (Ecological Indicators 24,[20] pp. 439–450), a comparison of national data with modelled data is performed. The LUCAS soil organic carbon data are measured
    surveyed points and the aggregated results[21] at regional level show important findings. Finally, a new proposed model for estimation of soil organic carbon in agricultural soils has estimated current top SOC stock of 17.63 Gt[22] in EU agricultural
    soils. This modelling framework has been updated by integrating the soil erosion component to estimate the lateral carbon fluxes.[23]
    Managing for catchment health
    Part of a series on
    Biogeochemical cycles
    Rock cycle nps 2.png
    Water cycle
    Carbon cycle

    Global
    atmospheric terrestrial oceanic Sequestration
    carbon sink deep carbon cycle soil carbon mycorrhizal fungi Boreal forests

    Nutrient cycle
    Rock cycle
    Marine cycle
    Methane cycle
    Other cycles
    Related topics
    Research groups

    vte

    Much of the contemporary literature on soil carbon relates to its role, or potential, as an atmospheric carbon sink to offset climate change. Despite this emphasis, a much wider range of soil and catchment health aspects are improved as soil carbon is
    increased. These benefits are difficult to quantify, due to the complexity of natural resource systems and the interpretation of what constitutes soil health; nonetheless, several benefits are proposed in the following points:

    Reduced erosion, sedimentation: increased soil aggregate stability means greater resistance to erosion; mass movement is less likely when soils are able to retain structural strength under greater moisture levels.
    Greater productivity: healthier and more productive soils can contribute to positive socio-economic circumstances.
    Cleaner waterways, nutrients and turbidity: nutrients and sediment tend to be retained by the soil rather than leach or wash off, and are so kept from waterways.
    Water balance: greater soil water holding capacity reduces overland flow and recharge to groundwater; the water saved and held by the soil remains available for use by plants.
    Climate change: Soils have the ability to retain carbon that may otherwise exist as atmospheric CO2 and contribute to global warming.
    Greater biodiversity: soil organic matter contributes to the health of soil flora and, accordingly, the natural links with biodiversity in the greater biosphere.

    Forest soils

    Forest soils constitute a large pool of carbon. Anthropogenic activities such as deforestation cause releases of carbon from this pool, which may significantly increase the concentration of greenhouse gas (GHG) in the atmosphere.[24] Under the United
    Nations Framework Convention on Climate Change (UNFCCC), countries must estimate and report GHG emissions and removals, including changes in carbon stocks in all five pools (above- and below-ground biomass, dead wood, litter, and soil carbon) and
    associated emissions and removals from land use, land-use change and forestry activities, according to the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change's good practice guidance.[25][26] Tropical deforestation represents nearly 25 percent of total
    anthropogenic GHG emissions worldwide.[27] Deforestation, forest degradation, and changes in land management practices can cause releases of carbon from soil to the atmosphere. For these reasons, reliable estimates of soil organic carbon stock and stock
    changes are needed for Reducing emissions from deforestation and forest degradation and GHG reporting under the UNFCCC.

    The government of Tanzania—together with the Food and Agriculture Organization of the United Nations[28] and the financial support of the government of Finland—have implemented a forest soil carbon monitoring program[29] to estimate soil carbon stock,
    using both survey and modelling-based methods.

    West Africa has experienced significant loss of forest that contains high levels of soil organic carbon.[30][31] This is mostly due to expansion of small scale, non-mechanized agriculture using burning as a form of land clearance [32]

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soil_carbon#:~:text=The%20balance%20of%20soil%20carbon%20is%20held%20in,oceanic%20pool%20of%20carbon%20accounts%20for%2038%2C200%20GtC.


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    How important is plant carbon (C) content?
    the Creative Commons Attribution 4.0 License. Abstract. Plant carbon (C) content is one of the most important plant traits and is critical to the assessment of global C cycle and ecological stoichiometry; however, the global variations in plant C content
    remain poorly understood.

    BG - Variations and determinants of carbon content in plants: a global bg.copernicus.org/articles/15/693/2018/

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  • From Edward Hernandez@21:1/5 to All on Tue Jun 21 21:08:22 2022
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    In message-id <t6nt3e$7bp$3@dont-email.me> (http://al.howardknight.net/?ID=165357273000) posted Thu, 26 May 2022
    12:50:54 -0000 (UTC) John Dope stated:

    Always Wrong, the utterly foulmouthed group idiot, adding absolutely
    NOTHING but insults to this thread, as usual...

    Yet, since Wed, 5 Jan 2022 04:10:38 -0000 (UTC) John Dope's post ratio
    to USENET (**) has been 62.4% of its posts contributing "nothing except insults" to USENET.

    ** Since Wed, 5 Jan 2022 04:10:38 -0000 (UTC) John Dope has posted at
    least 2046 articles to USENET. Of which 173 have been pure insults and
    1104 have been John Dope "troll format" postings.

    The John Dope troll stated the following in message-id <sdhn7c$pkp$4@dont-email.me>:

    The troll doesn't even know how to format a USENET post...

    And the John Dope troll stated the following in message-id <sg3kr7$qt5$1@dont-email.me>:

    The reason Bozo cannot figure out how to get Google to keep from
    breaking its lines in inappropriate places is because Bozo is
    CLUELESS...

    And yet, the clueless John Dope troll has itself posted yet another
    incorrectly formatted USENET posting on Tue, 21 Jun 2022 20:24:51 GMT in message-id <nOpsK.237728$BZ99.131063@usenetxs.com>.

    This posting is a public service announcement for any google groups
    readers who happen by to point out that John Doe does not even follow
    the rules it uses to troll other posters.

    5UBj88A/pf6m

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  • From Edward Hernandez@21:1/5 to All on Tue Jun 21 23:25:59 2022
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    In message-id <t6nt3e$7bp$3@dont-email.me> (http://al.howardknight.net/?ID=165357273000) posted Thu, 26 May 2022
    12:50:54 -0000 (UTC) Troll Doe stated:

    Always Wrong, the utterly foulmouthed group idiot, adding absolutely
    NOTHING but insults to this thread, as usual...

    Yet, since Wed, 5 Jan 2022 04:10:38 -0000 (UTC) Troll Doe's post ratio
    to USENET (**) has been 62.7% of its posts contributing "nothing except insults" to USENET.

    ** Since Wed, 5 Jan 2022 04:10:38 -0000 (UTC) Troll Doe has posted at
    least 2072 articles to USENET. Of which 173 have been pure insults and
    1127 have been Troll Doe "troll format" postings.

    The John Doe troll stated the following in message-id <sdhn7c$pkp$4@dont-email.me>:

    The troll doesn't even know how to format a USENET post...

    And the John Doe troll stated the following in message-id <sg3kr7$qt5$1@dont-email.me>:

    The reason Bozo cannot figure out how to get Google to keep from
    breaking its lines in inappropriate places is because Bozo is
    CLUELESS...

    And yet, the clueless John Doe troll has itself posted yet another
    incorrectly formatted USENET posting on Tue, 21 Jun 2022 23:23:32 -0000
    (UTC) in message-id <t8tjtj$s6u$15@dont-email.me>.

    This posting is a public service announcement for any google groups
    readers who happen by to point out that John Dope does not even follow
    the rules it uses to troll other posters.

    Js7rfzFJGYk+

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  • From a a@21:1/5 to Edward Hernandez on Wed Jun 22 02:42:32 2022
    On Wednesday, 22 June 2022 at 01:26:05 UTC+2, Edward Hernandez wrote:
    In message-id <t6nt3e$7bp$3...@dont-email.me> (http://al.howardknight.net/?ID=165357273000) posted Thu, 26 May 2022 12:50:54 -0000 (UTC) Troll Doe stated:
    Always Wrong, the utterly foulmouthed group idiot, adding absolutely NOTHING but insults to this thread, as usual...
    Yet, since Wed, 5 Jan 2022 04:10:38 -0000 (UTC) Troll Doe's post ratio
    to USENET (**) has been 62.7% of its posts contributing "nothing except insults" to USENET.

    ** Since Wed, 5 Jan 2022 04:10:38 -0000 (UTC) Troll Doe has posted at
    least 2072 articles to USENET. Of which 173 have been pure insults and
    1127 have been Troll Doe "troll format" postings.

    The John Doe troll stated the following in message-id <sdhn7c$pkp$4...@dont-email.me>:

    The troll doesn't even know how to format a USENET post...
    And the John Doe troll stated the following in message-id <sg3kr7$qt5$1...@dont-email.me>:

    The reason Bozo cannot figure out how to get Google to keep from
    breaking its lines in inappropriate places is because Bozo is
    CLUELESS...
    And yet, the clueless John Doe troll has itself posted yet another incorrectly formatted USENET posting on Tue, 21 Jun 2022 23:23:32 -0000
    (UTC) in message-id <t8tjtj$s6u$1...@dont-email.me>.
    This posting is a public service announcement for any google groups
    readers who happen by to point out that John Dope does not even follow
    the rules it uses to troll other posters.
    Js7rfzFJGYk+
    Nasa solar

    https://sdo.gsfc.nasa.gov/

    https://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/sdo/main/index.html

    https://science.gsfc.nasa.gov/heliophysics/solar/

    thank you for your promotion

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  • From jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com@21:1/5 to All on Wed Jun 22 06:46:13 2022
    On Tue, 21 Jun 2022 10:55:00 -0700 (PDT), whit3rd <whit3rd@gmail.com>
    wrote:

    On Tuesday, June 21, 2022 at 10:04:41 AM UTC-7, a a wrote:
    -CO2 is welcome
    -CO2 is Plant Food
    -Plants are Animal Food
    -Animals are Human Food

    -More CO2 more Human Food
    -to end the world hunger

    Steer manure is Plant Food.
    a a is donating bullshit, but the plants don't benefit from that.
    Similar label, different product. Bullshit, for example, is not welcome.

    https://foreignpolicy.com/2022/03/05/sri-lanka-organic-farming-crisis/

    We need synthetic ammonia-based fertilizers. Human and animal waste
    aren't enough to sustain our population.



    --

    Anybody can count to one.

    - Robert Widlar

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  • From Anthony William Sloman@21:1/5 to jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com on Wed Jun 22 08:18:29 2022
    On Wednesday, June 22, 2022 at 3:46:28 PM UTC+2, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
    On Tue, 21 Jun 2022 10:55:00 -0700 (PDT), whit3rd <whi...@gmail.com>
    wrote:
    On Tuesday, June 21, 2022 at 10:04:41 AM UTC-7, a a wrote:
    -CO2 is welcome
    -CO2 is Plant Food
    -Plants are Animal Food
    -Animals are Human Food

    -More CO2 more Human Food
    -to end the world hunger

    Steer manure is Plant Food.
    a a is donating bullshit, but the plants don't benefit from that.
    Similar label, different product. Bullshit, for example, is not welcome.

    https://foreignpolicy.com/2022/03/05/sri-lanka-organic-farming-crisis/

    We need synthetic ammonia-based fertilizers. Human and animal waste
    aren't enough to sustain our population.

    And John Larkin is silly enough to think that you can't get them without burning fossil carbon.

    Why he imagines that nitrogen fixing bacteria can't provide enough ammonia based fertiliser isn't obvious - he probably doesn't know that they exist.

    Or, more likely, Anthony Watts didn't bother to mention in whatever propaganda spiel John Larkin is recycling here.

    --
    Bill Sloman, Sydney

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  • From a a@21:1/5 to bill....@ieee.org on Wed Jun 22 09:37:22 2022
    On Wednesday, 22 June 2022 at 17:18:37 UTC+2, bill....@ieee.org wrote:
    On Wednesday, June 22, 2022 at 3:46:28 PM UTC+2, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
    On Tue, 21 Jun 2022 10:55:00 -0700 (PDT), whit3rd <whi...@gmail.com> wrote:
    On Tuesday, June 21, 2022 at 10:04:41 AM UTC-7, a a wrote:
    -CO2 is welcome
    -CO2 is Plant Food
    -Plants are Animal Food
    -Animals are Human Food

    -More CO2 more Human Food
    -to end the world hunger

    Steer manure is Plant Food.
    a a is donating bullshit, but the plants don't benefit from that. >Similar label, different product. Bullshit, for example, is not welcome.

    https://foreignpolicy.com/2022/03/05/sri-lanka-organic-farming-crisis/

    We need synthetic ammonia-based fertilizers. Human and animal waste
    aren't enough to sustain our population.
    And John Larkin is silly enough to think that you can't get them without burning fossil carbon.

    Why he imagines that nitrogen fixing bacteria can't provide enough ammonia based fertiliser isn't obvious - he probably doesn't know that they exist.

    Or, more likely, Anthony Watts didn't bother to mention in whatever propaganda spiel John Larkin is recycling here.

    --
    Bill Sloman, Sydney
    Thank you low-science Australia

    .We all love Carbon, we all love CO2

    .-CO2 is welcome
    .-CO2 is Plant Food
    .-Plants are Animal Food
    .-Animals are Human Food

    .-More CO2 more Human Food
    .-to end the world hunger

    https://climate.nasa.gov/faq/14/is-the-sun-causing-global-warming/

    The Sun can influence Earth’s climate. The Sun is a giver of life; it helps keep the planet warm enough for us to survive. We know subtle changes in Earth’s orbit around the Sun are responsible for the comings and goings of the ice ages.

    Temperature vs Solar Activity Chart

    https://climate.nasa.gov/internal_resources/2167/

    removing 11-year averages from the chart we can clearly discover, what is called

    Fluctuations in solar activity clock Climate Changes on the Earth

    Some claim, climate is not weather and weather is not climate.
    Right.

    But, we humans, can easily sense and detect Climate Changes during our life span,
    so called Climate Changes sensed by the Peers,
    as parts of long-term climate change trends.

    Since life of humans is limited to 100 years,
    we are free to call 10- 20- 30- 50-year, short term Climate Changes as Climate Changes

    But if you object to or claim the opposite, I can invent another nice term to describe short-term Climate Changes and suggest UN agencies, NASA to implement it into daily Climate Change practice

    BTW
    since Global Warming is fake,
    NASA should remove Global Warming fake from every material published on the Internet


    ..We all love Carbon, we all love CO2

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  • From whit3rd@21:1/5 to jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com on Wed Jun 22 10:01:08 2022
    On Wednesday, June 22, 2022 at 6:46:28 AM UTC-7, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
    On Tue, 21 Jun 2022 10:55:00 -0700 (PDT), whit3rd <whi...@gmail.com>

    wrote:
    On Tuesday, June 21, 2022 at 10:04:41 AM UTC-7, a a wrote:
    -CO2 is welcome
    -CO2 is Plant Food

    ... and more drivel...

    Steer manure is Plant Food.
    a a is donating bullshit, but the plants don't benefit from that.

    Similar label, different product. Bullshit, for example, is not welcome. https://foreignpolicy.com/2022/03/05/sri-lanka-organic-farming-crisis/

    We need synthetic ammonia-based fertilizers. Human and animal waste
    aren't enough to sustain our population.

    So, that does indicate that central planning of agriculture can be
    a failure. There's more than one way to grow crops, but lots of
    ways to fail at it - in this case, by being noncompetitive for export.

    Synthetic nitrates (Bosch process) are good for weapons use, but for fertilizers we need other chemical components (phosphates, even some
    traces of sulfur and zinc).
    Some forest research has shown that salmon swimming upriver, and being
    munched by bears, is a major nitrate source for great forests.
    Fish fertilizer is less wasteful than to apply soluble compounds that wash away annually,
    as a fertilization strategy; certainly our ancestors got it to work.

    Overfertilization of fields and the nitrates in rivers and streams is
    what did in the oysters in Chesapeake Bay for a few decades.

    Organic, no-till, and do-nothing agriculture are intended as
    improvements, and will win sometimes. Let the trials proceed.

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  • From whit3rd@21:1/5 to a a on Wed Jun 22 10:04:35 2022
    On Wednesday, June 22, 2022 at 9:37:29 AM UTC-7, a a wrote:
    On Wednesday, 22 June 2022 at 17:18:37 UTC+2, bill....@ieee.org wrote:
    On Wednesday, June 22, 2022 at 3:46:28 PM UTC+2, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:

    We need synthetic ammonia-based fertilizers. Human and animal waste aren't enough to sustain our population.

    And John Larkin is silly enough to think that you can't get them without burning fossil carbon.

    Why he imagines that nitrogen fixing bacteria can't provide enough ammonia based fertiliser isn't obvious - he probably doesn't know that they exist.

    Or, more likely, Anthony Watts didn't bother to mention in whatever propaganda spiel John Larkin is recycling here.

    Thank you low-science Australia

    .We all love Carbon, we all love CO2

    That 'a a' entity isn't human. It's a travesty generator, but where did it get its training? Some of it, from John Larkin?

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  • From a a@21:1/5 to All on Wed Jun 22 10:10:37 2022
    On Wednesday, 22 June 2022 at 19:04:42 UTC+2, whit3rd wrote:
    On Wednesday, June 22, 2022 at 9:37:29 AM UTC-7, a a wrote:
    On Wednesday, 22 June 2022 at 17:18:37 UTC+2, bill....@ieee.org wrote:
    On Wednesday, June 22, 2022 at 3:46:28 PM UTC+2, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:

    We need synthetic ammonia-based fertilizers. Human and animal waste aren't enough to sustain our population.

    And John Larkin is silly enough to think that you can't get them without burning fossil carbon.

    Why he imagines that nitrogen fixing bacteria can't provide enough ammonia based fertiliser isn't obvious - he probably doesn't know that they exist.

    Or, more likely, Anthony Watts didn't bother to mention in whatever propaganda spiel John Larkin is recycling here.
    Thank you low-science Australia

    .We all love Carbon, we all love CO2
    That 'a a' entity isn't human. It's a travesty generator, but where did it get its training? Some of it, from John Larkin?
    thank you
    ! We all love Carbon, we all love CO2

    https://climate.nasa.gov/internal_resources/2167/

    How fluctuactions in solar activity clock Climate Changes on the Earth

    watch yearly charts

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  • From Anthony William Sloman@21:1/5 to a a on Thu Jun 23 06:07:30 2022
    On Wednesday, June 22, 2022 at 7:10:44 PM UTC+2, a a wrote:
    On Wednesday, 22 June 2022 at 19:04:42 UTC+2, whit3rd wrote:
    On Wednesday, June 22, 2022 at 9:37:29 AM UTC-7, a a wrote:
    On Wednesday, 22 June 2022 at 17:18:37 UTC+2, bill....@ieee.org wrote:
    On Wednesday, June 22, 2022 at 3:46:28 PM UTC+2, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:

    We need synthetic ammonia-based fertilizers. Human and animal waste aren't enough to sustain our population.

    And John Larkin is silly enough to think that you can't get them without burning fossil carbon.

    Why he imagines that nitrogen fixing bacteria can't provide enough ammonia based fertiliser isn't obvious - he probably doesn't know that they exist.

    Or, more likely, Anthony Watts didn't bother to mention in whatever propaganda spiel John Larkin is recycling here.

    Thank you low-science Australia

    .We all love Carbon, we all love CO2

    That 'a a' entity isn't human. It's a travesty generator, but where did it

    get its training? Some of it, from John Larkin?

    thank you

    ! We all love Carbon, we all love CO2

    Only the extra-gullible twits.

    https://climate.nasa.gov/internal_resources/2167/

    How fluctuations in solar activity clock Climate Changes on the Earth

    watch yearly charts

    The chart runs from 1880 to 2020. The two curves sort of line up until 1980, then hare off in opposite directions.

    The Antarctic ice core data runs back about 800,000 years

    https://www.bas.ac.uk/data/our-data/publication/ice-cores-and-climate-change/

    Please explain how fluctuations in solar activity could explain the ice-age inter-glacial alternation.

    Show your working.

    --
    Bill Sloman, Sydney

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  • From a a@21:1/5 to bill....@ieee.org on Thu Jun 23 10:19:00 2022
    On Thursday, 23 June 2022 at 15:07:38 UTC+2, bill....@ieee.org wrote:
    On Wednesday, June 22, 2022 at 7:10:44 PM UTC+2, a a wrote:
    On Wednesday, 22 June 2022 at 19:04:42 UTC+2, whit3rd wrote:
    On Wednesday, June 22, 2022 at 9:37:29 AM UTC-7, a a wrote:
    On Wednesday, 22 June 2022 at 17:18:37 UTC+2, bill....@ieee.org wrote:
    On Wednesday, June 22, 2022 at 3:46:28 PM UTC+2, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:

    We need synthetic ammonia-based fertilizers. Human and animal waste aren't enough to sustain our population.

    And John Larkin is silly enough to think that you can't get them without burning fossil carbon.

    Why he imagines that nitrogen fixing bacteria can't provide enough ammonia based fertiliser isn't obvious - he probably doesn't know that they exist.

    Or, more likely, Anthony Watts didn't bother to mention in whatever propaganda spiel John Larkin is recycling here.

    Thank you low-science Australia

    .We all love Carbon, we all love CO2

    That 'a a' entity isn't human. It's a travesty generator, but where did it

    get its training? Some of it, from John Larkin?

    thank you

    ! We all love Carbon, we all love CO2
    Only the extra-gullible twits.

    https://climate.nasa.gov/internal_resources/2167/

    How fluctuations in solar activity clock Climate Changes on the Earth

    watch yearly charts

    The chart runs from 1880 to 2020. The two curves sort of line up until 1980, then hare off in opposite directions.

    The Antarctic ice core data runs back about 800,000 years

    https://www.bas.ac.uk/data/our-data/publication/ice-cores-and-climate-change/

    Please explain how fluctuations in solar activity could explain the ice-age inter-glacial alternation.

    Show your working.

    --
    Bill Sloman, Sydney

    1. Sort-Term Climate Changes(SM), sensed by humans, let us study one-year Climate Changes
    so STCC(SM) term is smart and clear for humans

    2.Fluctuations in solar activity clock Climate Changes on the Earth
    source: https://climate.nasa.gov/internal_resources/2167/
    just remove 11-year average lines from the above chart to make things clear

    3. -"""The two curves sort of line up until 1980, then hare off in opposite directions.

    It doesn't matter, since what matters, either curve cycles and fluctuations in solar activity clock Short-Term Climate Changes on the Earth

    4. ==https://www.bas.ac.uk/data/our-data/publication/ice-cores-and-climate-change/

    ==Please explain how fluctuations in solar activity could explain the ice-age inter-glacial alternation.

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  • From Anthony William Sloman@21:1/5 to a a on Fri Jun 24 03:28:41 2022
    On Thursday, June 23, 2022 at 7:19:07 PM UTC+2, a a wrote:
    On Thursday, 23 June 2022 at 15:07:38 UTC+2, bill....@ieee.org wrote:
    On Wednesday, June 22, 2022 at 7:10:44 PM UTC+2, a a wrote:
    On Wednesday, 22 June 2022 at 19:04:42 UTC+2, whit3rd wrote:
    On Wednesday, June 22, 2022 at 9:37:29 AM UTC-7, a a wrote:
    On Wednesday, 22 June 2022 at 17:18:37 UTC+2, bill....@ieee.org wrote:
    On Wednesday, June 22, 2022 at 3:46:28 PM UTC+2, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:

    We need synthetic ammonia-based fertilizers. Human and animal waste
    aren't enough to sustain our population.

    And John Larkin is silly enough to think that you can't get them without burning fossil carbon.

    Why he imagines that nitrogen fixing bacteria can't provide enough ammonia based fertiliser isn't obvious - he probably doesn't know that they exist.

    Or, more likely, Anthony Watts didn't bother to mention in whatever propaganda spiel John Larkin is recycling here.

    Thank you low-science Australia

    .We all love Carbon, we all love CO2

    That 'a a' entity isn't human. It's a travesty generator, but where did it get its training? Some of it, from John Larkin?

    thank you

    ! We all love Carbon, we all love CO2

    Only the extra-gullible twits.

    https://climate.nasa.gov/internal_resources/2167/

    How fluctuations in solar activity clock Climate Changes on the Earth

    watch yearly charts

    The chart runs from 1880 to 2020. The two curves sort of line up until 1980, then hare off in opposite directions.

    The Antarctic ice core data runs back about 800,000 years

    https://www.bas.ac.uk/data/our-data/publication/ice-cores-and-climate-change/

    Please explain how fluctuations in solar activity could explain the ice-age inter-glacial alternation.

    Show your working.

    1. Short-Term Climate Changes(SM), sensed by humans, let us study one-year Climate Changes so STCC(SM) term is smart and clear for humans.

    Actually, it just buries any long term change in short term noise, like the El Nino/La Nina alternation , and the multidecadal atlantic oscillation.

    https://climatedataguide.ucar.edu/climate-data/atlantic-multi-decadal-oscillation-amo

    2.Fluctuations in solar activity clock Climate Changes on the Earth
    source: https://climate.nasa.gov/internal_resources/2167/
    just remove 11-year average lines from the above chart to make things clear

    3. -"""The two curves sort of line up until 1980, then hare off in opposite directions.

    It doesn't matter, since what matters, either curve cycles and fluctuations in solar activity clock Short-Term Climate Changes on the Earth

    Actually it does, because the short term fluctuations driven by solar activity are tiny, and consequences of a steadily increasing CO2 level in the atmosphere are already signifcant and certain to get larger.

    4. ==https://www.bas.ac.uk/data/our-data/publication/ice-cores-and-climate-change/

    ==Please explain how fluctuations in solar activity could explain the ice-age inter-glacial alternation.

    <snipped bitching about cookies>

    --
    Bill Sloman, Sydney

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