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Subject: OT: Do electric cars let you monitor INDIVIDUAL battery temperature? Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2022 03:09:31 -0000 (UTC)
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Seems to me that is an important question, no matter what alleged device protection there is.
I would want to know what the highest INDIVIDUAL battery temperature is. I would want an alarm when any battery reaches X degrees.
Doesn't matter how many batteries there are. The more batteries, the more important for the driver to know what's going on.
I suppose they do not keep track of individual battery temperature, but maybe they should. I would want that. Too many batteries to keep track of? Then too risky.
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Seems to me that is an important question, no matter what alleged device protection there is.
Off topic troll...
On 6/19/22 20:16, John Doe wrote:
Off topic troll...
The troll means cells, but doesn't know it. There needs to be a pie
chart, with an appropriately colored slice of pie for each cell.
John Doe wrote:
Seems to me that is an important question, no matter what alleged
device protection there is.
It's important, all right, so a battery diagnostic could show the
effects. Individual cell temperatures, though, is hundreds of numbers, mainly about the same because the cells are thermally regulated (heated/cooled) in operation.
When the vehicle is stationary, you'd just see temperature settling to ambient, and when it's moving, you have more important info (like
children running into the road) than a thermometer reading on cell #225.
Off topic troll...
Seems to me that is an important question, no matter what alleged
device protection there is.
I would want to know what the highest INDIVIDUAL battery
temperature is. I would want an alarm when any battery reaches X
degrees.
Doesn't matter how many batteries there are. The more batteries,
the more important for the driver to know what's going on.
I suppose they do not keep track of individual battery
temperature, but maybe they should. I would want that. Too many
batteries to keep track of? Then too risky.
Yes, you can call the whole thing a "battery", or a "cluster of cells/batteries" but in fact it's made up of a bunch of INDIVIDUAL
batteries.
John Dope <alway...@message.header> wrote in news:t8p0hs$q7d$2@dont- email.me:Edward Hernandez’s profile photo
Yes, you can call the whole thing a "battery", or a "cluster of cells/batteries" but in fact it's made up of a bunch of INDIVIDUAL batteries.Individual CELLS. There is no such thing as an individual battery.
The two terms are mutually exclusive.
Bwuhahahahahhahahha!
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John Doe <always.look@message.header> wrote in news:t8oodb$jl3$1@dont-email.me:
Seems to me that is an important question, no matter what alleged
device protection there is.
I would want to know what the highest INDIVIDUAL battery
temperature is. I would want an alarm when any battery reaches X
degrees.
Doesn't matter how many batteries there are. The more batteries,
the more important for the driver to know what's going on.
I suppose they do not keep track of individual battery
temperature, but maybe they should. I would want that. Too many
batteries to keep track of? Then too risky.
They are called cells. A group of cells is called a battery.
It was always that way. Even a nine volt battery is a group of
small cells. Individual cells like C cell or D cell or AA or AAA
cell got called "battery" by idiots in the '60s and beyond until
Webster finally "adopted" battery as meaning any DC power source.
Another place where America's folks got the dumbed down version and
now they are all that way.
But in this case... These are individual cells arrayed together to
form a battery. And individual cells can be and likey are
temperature monitored but likely would not "let you monitor" it. It
is internal. Part of the charge/discharge "watchdog" circuitry.
Seems to me that is an important question, no matter what alleged device protection there is.
I would want to know what the highest INDIVIDUAL battery temperature is. I would want an alarm when any battery reaches X degrees.
Doesn't matter how many batteries there are. The more batteries, the more important for the driver to know what's going on.
I suppose they do not keep track of individual battery temperature, but maybe they should. I would want that. Too many batteries to keep track of? Then too risky.
On 6/20/2022 5:52 AM, DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno@decadence.org wrote:
John Doe <always.look@message.header> wrote in
news:t8oodb$jl3$1@dont-email.me:
Seems to me that is an important question, no matter what alleged
device protection there is.
I would want to know what the highest INDIVIDUAL battery
temperature is. I would want an alarm when any battery reaches X
degrees.
Doesn't matter how many batteries there are. The more batteries,
the more important for the driver to know what's going on.
I suppose they do not keep track of individual battery
temperature, but maybe they should. I would want that. Too many
batteries to keep track of? Then too risky.
They are called cells. A group of cells is called a battery.
It was always that way. Even a nine volt battery is a group of
small cells. Individual cells like C cell or D cell or AA or AAA
cell got called "battery" by idiots in the '60s and beyond until
Webster finally "adopted" battery as meaning any DC power source.
Another place where America's folks got the dumbed down version and
now they are all that way.
But in this case... These are individual cells arrayed together to
form a battery. And individual cells can be and likey are
temperature monitored but likely would not "let you monitor" it. It
is internal. Part of the charge/discharge "watchdog" circuitry.
On the Chevy Volt you can monitor the voltage of every individual cell
with any OB2 app, don't know about individual cell temperature or
whether that's even relevant information for the ECU, maybe not.
Individual cell temperature is surely monitored internal to the battery
by the battery controller and if something's seriously amiss it'll flag
the ECU and report some cryptic battery-related fault code to the user
Seems to me that is an important question, no matter what alleged device protection there is.
I would want to know what the highest INDIVIDUAL battery temperature is. I would want an alarm when any battery reaches X degrees.
Doesn't matter how many batteries there are. The more batteries, the more important for the driver to know what's going on.
I suppose they do not keep track of individual battery temperature, but maybe they should. I would want that. Too many batteries to keep track of? Then too risky.
On Mon, 20 Jun 2022 09:12:59 -0400, bitrex <user@example.net> wrote:
On 6/20/2022 5:52 AM, DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno@decadence.org wrote:
John Doe <always.look@message.header> wrote in
news:t8oodb$jl3$1@dont-email.me:
Seems to me that is an important question, no matter what alleged
device protection there is.
I would want to know what the highest INDIVIDUAL battery
temperature is. I would want an alarm when any battery reaches X
degrees.
Doesn't matter how many batteries there are. The more batteries,
the more important for the driver to know what's going on.
I suppose they do not keep track of individual battery
temperature, but maybe they should. I would want that. Too many
batteries to keep track of? Then too risky.
They are called cells. A group of cells is called a battery.
It was always that way. Even a nine volt battery is a group of
small cells. Individual cells like C cell or D cell or AA or AAA
cell got called "battery" by idiots in the '60s and beyond until
Webster finally "adopted" battery as meaning any DC power source.
Another place where America's folks got the dumbed down version and
now they are all that way.
But in this case... These are individual cells arrayed together to
form a battery. And individual cells can be and likey are
temperature monitored but likely would not "let you monitor" it. It
is internal. Part of the charge/discharge "watchdog" circuitry.
On the Chevy Volt you can monitor the voltage of every individual cell
with any OB2 app, don't know about individual cell temperature or
whether that's even relevant information for the ECU, maybe not.
Individual cell temperature is surely monitored internal to the battery
by the battery controller and if something's seriously amiss it'll flag
the ECU and report some cryptic battery-related fault code to the user
A Tesla has 3k to over 6k cells, depending on model. I doubt they have thousands of temp sensors.
John Doe wrote:
Seems to me that is an important question, no matter what alleged
device protection there is.
I would want to know what the highest INDIVIDUAL battery temperature
is. I would want an alarm when any battery reaches X degrees.
Doesn't matter how many batteries there are. The more batteries, the
more important for the driver to know what's going on.
I suppose they do not keep track of individual battery temperature, but
maybe they should. I would want that. Too many batteries to keep track
of? Then too risky.
There are four temperature sensors for the Leaf. The highest
temperature tends to be at the back seat stack. The danger zone is
120C.
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Subject: Re: OT: Do electric cars let you monitor INDIVIDUAL battery temperature?
From: Anthony William Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org>
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On Monday, June 20, 2022 at 5:09:38 AM UTC+2, John Doe wrote:
Seems to me that is an important question, no matter what alleged device
protection there is.
I would want to know what the highest INDIVIDUAL battery temperature is. I >> would want an alarm when any battery reaches X degrees.
Doesn't matter how many batteries there are. The more batteries, the more
important for the driver to know what's going on.
A battery is a battery of cells. The cell is a component with two different electrodes at each end, and a battery of cells is built up out of an arbitrary number of individual cells connected in parallel and in series.
It's very helpful to know the temperature of the cell in the middle of the battery - it's mostly going to be the hottest cell in the assembly.
If there is variation between individual cells you may get hotspots elsewhere, and four more sensor arranged as tetrahedron around the centre can let you pick this up.
I suppose they do not keep track of individual battery temperature, but maybe
they should. I would want that. Too many batteries to keep track of? Then too
risky.
The temperature if an individual cell is determined both by the heat being generated in that cell and the heat being generated in adjacent cells.
The temperature of the central cell is determined by the thermal gradient from the central cell out to cells on the periphery of the battery, who have to dissipate the heat they generate, and the heat generated by all the cells in the layers below them.
Monitoring the temperature of individual cells would probably be an overkill, but monitoring the half-way points on the thermal gradients could well make sense.
Flyguy has already posted idiotic misconceptions about this sort of stuff. I've suggested that you aren't quite a stupid as he is, but it's arguing precedence between a flea and louse.
--
Bill Sloman, Sydney
At least here in America... That's common, to call one battery in
a group of batteries a "battery".
John Dope <always.look@message.header> wrote in news:t8qvok$u6p$8@dont-email.me:
At least here in America... That's common, to call one battery in
a group of batteries a "battery".
If you had enough brains to have read my post, I detailed where
idiots primarily in the US starting in the '60s started incorrectly
calling a single cell a battery.
It got adopted by Webster and both the term "cell" and "battery" are
now considered correct, worldwide, even for units which are singular.
It is common for idiots like John Dope. Same type of idiot that
refers to a tissue as "kleenex".
Poorly raised word challenged AND discipline challenged (that follow
ups stupid shit you pull).
Anthony William Sloman <bill....@ieee.org> wrote:them.
On Monday, June 20, 2022 at 5:09:38 AM UTC+2, John Doe wrote:
Seems to me that is an important question, no matter what alleged device >> protection there is.
I would want to know what the highest INDIVIDUAL battery temperature is. I
would want an alarm when any battery reaches X degrees.
Doesn't matter how many batteries there are. The more batteries, the more >> important for the driver to know what's going on.
A battery is a battery of cells. The cell is a component with two different electrodes at each end, and a battery of cells is built up out of an arbitrary number of individual cells connected in parallel and in series.
It's very helpful to know the temperature of the cell in the middle of the battery - it's mostly going to be the hottest cell in the assembly.
If there is variation between individual cells you may get hotspots elsewhere, and four more sensor arranged as tetrahedron around the centre can let you pick this up.
I suppose they do not keep track of individual battery temperature, but maybe
they should. I would want that. Too many batteries to keep track of? Then too
risky.
The temperature if an individual cell is determined both by the heat being generated in that cell and the heat being generated in adjacent cells.
The temperature of the central cell is determined by the thermal gradient from the central cell out to cells on the periphery of the battery, who have to dissipate the heat they generate, and the heat generated by all the cells in the layers below
Monitoring the temperature of individual cells would probably be an overkill, but monitoring the half-way points on the thermal gradients could well make sense.
Flyguy has already posted idiotic misconceptions about this sort of stuff. I've suggested that you aren't quite a stupid as he is, but it's arguing precedence between a flea and louse.
From Merriam-Webster...
battery: a single cell that furnishes electric current
"need to replace the flashlight's batteries"
At least here in America... That's common, to call one battery in a group
of batteries a "battery". When we replace the batteries in a device, no matter how many there are, we say we are replacing "batteries", not the "cells".
At least here in America... If one wanted to monitor the temperature of
each battery in a flashlight battery compartment, saying "I want to
monitor INDIVIDUAL battery temperatures" is perfectly acceptable English.
I'm not bashing the bashers for calling them "cells".
Language is for communication and NOBODY misunderstands what I'm saying.
On Mon, 20 Jun 2022 09:12:59 -0400, bitrex <us...@example.net> wrote:
On 6/20/2022 5:52 AM, DecadentLinux...@decadence.org wrote:
John Doe <alway...@message.header> wrote in
news:t8oodb$jl3$1...@dont-email.me:
Seems to me that is an important question, no matter what alleged
device protection there is.
I would want to know what the highest INDIVIDUAL battery
temperature is. I would want an alarm when any battery reaches X
degrees.
Doesn't matter how many batteries there are. The more batteries,
the more important for the driver to know what's going on.
I suppose they do not keep track of individual battery
temperature, but maybe they should. I would want that. Too many
batteries to keep track of? Then too risky.
They are called cells. A group of cells is called a battery.
It was always that way. Even a nine volt battery is a group of
small cells. Individual cells like C cell or D cell or AA or AAA
cell got called "battery" by idiots in the '60s and beyond until
Webster finally "adopted" battery as meaning any DC power source.
Another place where America's folks got the dumbed down version and
now they are all that way.
But in this case... These are individual cells arrayed together to
form a battery. And individual cells can be and likey are
temperature monitored but likely would not "let you monitor" it. It
is internal. Part of the charge/discharge "watchdog" circuitry.
On the Chevy Volt you can monitor the voltage of every individual cell >with any OB2 app, don't know about individual cell temperature or
whether that's even relevant information for the ECU, maybe not.
Individual cell temperature is surely monitored internal to the batteryA Tesla has 3k to over 6k cells, depending on model. I doubt they have thousands of temp sensors.
by the battery controller and if something's seriously amiss it'll flag >the ECU and report some cryptic battery-related fault code to the user
--
Anybody can count to one.
- Robert Widlar
On Monday, June 20, 2022 at 10:40:10 AM UTC-4, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:successful at capturing the market. Just like every airbag system in the world used their accelerometer line, for a while anyway.
On Mon, 20 Jun 2022 09:12:59 -0400, bitrex <us...@example.net> wrote:
On 6/20/2022 5:52 AM, DecadentLinux...@decadence.org wrote:A Tesla has 3k to over 6k cells, depending on model. I doubt they have
John Doe <alway...@message.header> wrote in
news:t8oodb$jl3$1...@dont-email.me:
Seems to me that is an important question, no matter what alleged
device protection there is.
I would want to know what the highest INDIVIDUAL battery
temperature is. I would want an alarm when any battery reaches X
degrees.
Doesn't matter how many batteries there are. The more batteries,
the more important for the driver to know what's going on.
I suppose they do not keep track of individual battery
temperature, but maybe they should. I would want that. Too many
batteries to keep track of? Then too risky.
They are called cells. A group of cells is called a battery.
It was always that way. Even a nine volt battery is a group of
small cells. Individual cells like C cell or D cell or AA or AAA
cell got called "battery" by idiots in the '60s and beyond until
Webster finally "adopted" battery as meaning any DC power source.
Another place where America's folks got the dumbed down version and
now they are all that way.
But in this case... These are individual cells arrayed together to
form a battery. And individual cells can be and likey are
temperature monitored but likely would not "let you monitor" it. It
is internal. Part of the charge/discharge "watchdog" circuitry.
On the Chevy Volt you can monitor the voltage of every individual cell
with any OB2 app, don't know about individual cell temperature or
whether that's even relevant information for the ECU, maybe not.
Individual cell temperature is surely monitored internal to the battery
by the battery controller and if something's seriously amiss it'll flag
the ECU and report some cryptic battery-related fault code to the user
thousands of temp sensors.
Analog Devices has been aggressively pursuing this market for at least the past ten years that I know of. The difference in capability between ten years ago and latest developments is as stark as night and day. And it looks like they've been pretty
https://www.analog.com/en/applications/markets/automotive-pavilion-home/vehicle-electrification/battery-management-systems-bms.html
EVs are just one part of their business. They're out to capture every battery application out there. They see the stringent government safety regulations coming.
https://www.analog.com/en/product-category/battery-management.html
Of course, the lower class, ignorant, uneducable, sub-normal iq's out there consider this post and its information content to be "total bullshit."
Bozo LIES about what Merriam-Webster says.
Merriam-Webster says "a group of two or more cells" then it
continues with...
ALSO: a single cell that furnishes electric current "need to replace
the flashlight's BATTERIES"
At least here in America, a "battery compartment" is full of
BATTERIES not CELLS.
https://care.hallmark.com/s/article/How-to-clean-a-battery-compartment-containing-corroded-alkaline-batteries
1. Put on disposable protective gloves 2. Open the BATTERY
compartment 3. Carefully remove the damaged BATTERIES aand place each
BATTERY in a separate sealable plastic bag ... 8. Dry the contacts
with a disposable towel or fresh cotton swab and place new BATTERIES
iinto the compartment
Bozo LIES about what Merriam-Webster says.
At least here in America, a "battery compartment" is full of BATTERIES
not CELLS.
https://care.hallmark.com/s/article/How-to-clean-a-battery-compartment-containing-corroded-alkaline-batteries
From Google's search engine...
"batteries in a flashlight"
About 99,800 results
"cells in a flashlight"
About 46,200 results
"batteries in a battery pack"
About 366,000 results
"cells in a battery pack"
About 167,000 results
"batteries in a battery holder"
About 48,900 results
"cells in a battery holder"
About 12,300 results
I would never bash the bashers for using "cell" instead of "battery",
because I'm not petty like that. Language is for communication and
EVERYBODY knows what I'm talking about.
From Google's search engine...
I would never bash the bashers for using "cell" instead of "battery", because I'm not petty like that.
Language is for communication and EVERYBODY knows what I'm talking about.
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