• Triple Charging Gaps to Vegas

    From Ed Lee@21:1/5 to All on Sat Jun 18 04:05:35 2022
    I am bringing my Leaf to Vegas for someone to work on. Unfortunately, many mechanics refused to touch anything EV, even if only to drop the battery down for me to work on.

    My Leaf currently have 15kWh, which is fine from the SF area to Bakersfield. However, there are three major charging gap in kWh. Mile gap is misleading. (1) and (3) are around 25 miles.

    (1) 20kWh: Baker to Valley Well Rest Area.
    (2) 17kWh: Boron Rest Area to Barstow.
    (3) 16kWh: Bakersfield to TehaChaPi

    With 25kWh (15+10) after upgrade, it should not be a problem for me anymore, but for my fellow older Leaf gamblers.

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    I am bringing my Leaf to Vegas for someone to work on. Unfortunately, many mechanics refused to touch anything EV, even if only to drop the battery down for me to work on.

    My Leaf currently have 15kWh, which is fine from the SF area to Bakersfield. However, there are three major charging gap in kWh. Mile gap is misleading. (1) and (3) are around 25 miles.

    (1) 20kWh: Baker to Valley Well Rest Area.
    (2) 17kWh: Boron Rest Area to Barstow.
    (3) 16kWh: Bakersfield to TehaChaPi

    With 25kWh (15+10) after upgrade, it should not be a problem for me anymore, but for my fellow older Leaf gamblers.



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  • From jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com@21:1/5 to edward.ming.lee@gmail.com on Sat Jun 18 06:35:34 2022
    On Sat, 18 Jun 2022 04:05:35 -0700 (PDT), Ed Lee
    <edward.ming.lee@gmail.com> wrote:

    I am bringing my Leaf to Vegas for someone to work on. Unfortunately, many mechanics refused to touch anything EV, even if only to drop the battery down for me to work on.

    My Leaf currently have 15kWh, which is fine from the SF area to Bakersfield. However, there are three major charging gap in kWh. Mile gap is misleading. (1) and (3) are around 25 miles.

    (1) 20kWh: Baker to Valley Well Rest Area.
    (2) 17kWh: Boron Rest Area to Barstow.
    (3) 16kWh: Bakersfield to TehaChaPi

    With 25kWh (15+10) after upgrade, it should not be a problem for me anymore, but for my fellow older Leaf gamblers.


    There are lots of gas stations. I don't even have to think about it.



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  • From Ed Lee@21:1/5 to jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com on Sat Jun 18 06:59:20 2022
    On Saturday, June 18, 2022 at 6:35:48 AM UTC-7, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
    On Sat, 18 Jun 2022 04:05:35 -0700 (PDT), Ed Lee
    <edward....@gmail.com> wrote:

    I am bringing my Leaf to Vegas for someone to work on. Unfortunately, many mechanics refused to touch anything EV, even if only to drop the battery down for me to work on.

    My Leaf currently have 15kWh, which is fine from the SF area to Bakersfield. However, there are three major charging gap in kWh. Mile gap is misleading. (1) and (3) are around 25 miles.

    (1) 20kWh: Baker to Valley Well Rest Area.
    (2) 17kWh: Boron Rest Area to Barstow.
    (3) 16kWh: Bakersfield to TehaChaPi

    With 25kWh (15+10) after upgrade, it should not be a problem for me anymore, but for my fellow older Leaf gamblers.

    There are lots of gas stations. I don't even have to think about it.

    But some people have to think about paying $6 to $7 gas.

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  • From John Doe@21:1/5 to Ed Lee on Sat Jun 18 14:08:02 2022
    Ed Lee <edward.ming.lee@gmail.com> wrote:

    jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
    Ed Lee wrote:

    I am bringing my Leaf to Vegas for someone to work on. Unfortunately,
    many mechanics refused to touch anything EV, even if only to drop the
    battery down for me to work on.

    My Leaf currently have 15kWh, which is fine from the SF area to
    Bakersfield. However, there are three major charging gap in kWh. Mile
    gap is misleading. (1) and (3) are around 25 miles.

    (1) 20kWh: Baker to Valley Well Rest Area.
    (2) 17kWh: Boron Rest Area to Barstow.
    (3) 16kWh: Bakersfield to TehaChaPi

    With 25kWh (15+10) after upgrade, it should not be a problem for me
    anymore, but for my fellow older Leaf gamblers.

    There are lots of gas stations. I don't even have to think about it.

    But some people have to think about paying $6 to $7 gas.

    +3

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  • From John Doe@21:1/5 to jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com on Sat Jun 18 14:02:06 2022
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  • From Edward Hernandez@21:1/5 to All on Sat Jun 18 14:33:24 2022
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  • From Don Y@21:1/5 to Ed Lee on Sat Jun 18 10:06:54 2022
    On 6/18/2022 4:05 AM, Ed Lee wrote:
    I am bringing my Leaf to Vegas for someone to work on. Unfortunately, many mechanics refused to touch anything EV, even if only to drop the battery down for me to work on.

    My Leaf currently have 15kWh, which is fine from the SF area to Bakersfield. However, there are three major charging gap in kWh. Mile gap is misleading. (1) and (3) are around 25 miles.

    (1) 20kWh: Baker to Valley Well Rest Area.
    (2) 17kWh: Boron Rest Area to Barstow.
    (3) 16kWh: Bakersfield to TehaChaPi

    With 25kWh (15+10) after upgrade, it should not be a problem for me anymore, but for my fellow older Leaf gamblers.

    Wow! Does this mean you can only get ~25 miles on a charge? I can get just about that much from my electric wheelchair and most of that energy goes into moving the chair, not me! (and a wheelchair isn't typically designed for
    long distances)

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  • From jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com@21:1/5 to edward.ming.lee@gmail.com on Sat Jun 18 10:24:47 2022
    On Sat, 18 Jun 2022 06:59:20 -0700 (PDT), Ed Lee
    <edward.ming.lee@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Saturday, June 18, 2022 at 6:35:48 AM UTC-7, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
    On Sat, 18 Jun 2022 04:05:35 -0700 (PDT), Ed Lee
    <edward....@gmail.com> wrote:

    I am bringing my Leaf to Vegas for someone to work on. Unfortunately, many mechanics refused to touch anything EV, even if only to drop the battery down for me to work on.

    My Leaf currently have 15kWh, which is fine from the SF area to Bakersfield. However, there are three major charging gap in kWh. Mile gap is misleading. (1) and (3) are around 25 miles.

    (1) 20kWh: Baker to Valley Well Rest Area.
    (2) 17kWh: Boron Rest Area to Barstow.
    (3) 16kWh: Bakersfield to TehaChaPi

    With 25kWh (15+10) after upgrade, it should not be a problem for me anymore, but for my fellow older Leaf gamblers.

    There are lots of gas stations. I don't even have to think about it.

    But some people have to think about paying $6 to $7 gas.

    Yes, a giant suv or pickup just got expensive to drive very far. That
    will hurt lots of people. GM and Ford will need to play catchup when
    everyone wants little Hondas and Toyotas.

    The war on fossil fuels isn't making a lot of friends.



    --

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    - Robert Widlar

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  • From Ed Lee@21:1/5 to Don Y on Sat Jun 18 11:56:11 2022
    On Saturday, June 18, 2022 at 10:07:07 AM UTC-7, Don Y wrote:
    On 6/18/2022 4:05 AM, Ed Lee wrote:
    I am bringing my Leaf to Vegas for someone to work on. Unfortunately, many mechanics refused to touch anything EV, even if only to drop the battery down for me to work on.

    My Leaf currently have 15kWh, which is fine from the SF area to Bakersfield. However, there are three major charging gap in kWh. Mile gap is misleading. (1) and (3) are around 25 miles.

    (1) 20kWh: Baker to Valley Well Rest Area.
    (2) 17kWh: Boron Rest Area to Barstow.
    (3) 16kWh: Bakersfield to TehaChaPi

    With 25kWh (15+10) after upgrade, it should not be a problem for me anymore, but for my fellow older Leaf gamblers.
    Wow! Does this mean you can only get ~25 miles on a charge? I can get just about that much from my electric wheelchair and most of that energy goes into moving the chair, not me! (and a wheelchair isn't typically designed for
    long distances)

    With 15kWh, i get 30 miles at 50MPH or 50 miles at 30MPH.

    I did (2) cruising at 33MPH with blinker, still have 10 miles left. With many angry drivers following.
    "Good Sam" was not good to me. Their driver wants $300 to tow me 5 miles, even with 5 miles insured. He said he was 30 miles away and they can't find any body else. Hopefully, AAA got more drivers.

    I drove 12 miles up (2000ft to 4000ft) from Baker and have 6 miles left. Turn back downhill and back to 16 miles.
    Pay $200 (24 miles round trip at $10/mile) for the tow truck to bring me back up to the turn around ramp.

    Currently in Primm, waiting for someone to bring me a mobile charger. Their old L2 charger is gone. Still building the Electrify America.
    Or wait for 100 miles AAA towing that i signed up 2 days ago.

    There was a Hydai driver waiting for AAA because CCS was not communicating with his car. CDM works fine for me. It was not equipment problem, but CCS protocol problem.

    Basically, 100 miles towing is a must for EV drivers.

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  • From Ed Lee@21:1/5 to jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com on Sat Jun 18 12:05:01 2022
    On Saturday, June 18, 2022 at 10:25:01 AM UTC-7, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
    On Sat, 18 Jun 2022 06:59:20 -0700 (PDT), Ed Lee
    <edward....@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Saturday, June 18, 2022 at 6:35:48 AM UTC-7, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
    On Sat, 18 Jun 2022 04:05:35 -0700 (PDT), Ed Lee
    <edward....@gmail.com> wrote:

    I am bringing my Leaf to Vegas for someone to work on. Unfortunately, many mechanics refused to touch anything EV, even if only to drop the battery down for me to work on.

    My Leaf currently have 15kWh, which is fine from the SF area to Bakersfield. However, there are three major charging gap in kWh. Mile gap is misleading. (1) and (3) are around 25 miles.

    (1) 20kWh: Baker to Valley Well Rest Area.
    (2) 17kWh: Boron Rest Area to Barstow.
    (3) 16kWh: Bakersfield to TehaChaPi

    With 25kWh (15+10) after upgrade, it should not be a problem for me anymore, but for my fellow older Leaf gamblers.

    There are lots of gas stations. I don't even have to think about it.

    But some people have to think about paying $6 to $7 gas.
    Yes, a giant suv or pickup just got expensive to drive very far. That
    will hurt lots of people. GM and Ford will need to play catchup when
    everyone wants little Hondas and Toyotas.

    The war on fossil fuels isn't making a lot of friends.

    Well, after dropping off my Leaf, i am going to drive my Son's Lexus 300 (16 miles / gal) 1000 miles to Seatle, burning 60 gal of gas and $370. I am entitled to it, after saving all the carbon quota with my Leaf for my son to burn.

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  • From Don Y@21:1/5 to Ed Lee on Sat Jun 18 12:37:17 2022
    On 6/18/2022 11:56 AM, Ed Lee wrote:
    On Saturday, June 18, 2022 at 10:07:07 AM UTC-7, Don Y wrote:

    Wow! Does this mean you can only get ~25 miles on a charge? I can get
    just about that much from my electric wheelchair and most of that energy
    goes into moving the chair, not me! (and a wheelchair isn't typically
    designed for long distances)

    With 15kWh, i get 30 miles at 50MPH or 50 miles at 30MPH.

    At "in town" speeds (stop and go -- averaging 19 MPH according to the
    trip computer in the car), we can go about 350 miles on a tank -- assuming
    the air conditioning is on MAX the whole time (common this time of year).

    On the highway? A bit over 500.

    And, that's a big "box" vehicle.

    I did (2) cruising at 33MPH with blinker, still have 10 miles left. With

    Yikes! Folks drive that speed in our residential neighborhood (limit
    being 25 so you know 35 is the norm). City streets are 45 (which means 55). Doing less than 70 on the highway will be met with lots of ire from
    other drivers!

    many angry drivers following. "Good Sam" was not good to me. Their driver wants $300 to tow me 5 miles, even with 5 miles insured. He said he was 30 miles away and they can't find any body else. Hopefully, AAA got more drivers.

    Hmmm... we have towing insurance ($5 or 10/year) but I doubt they'd ever
    expect us to need it for more than a few miles as there are service stations, repair shops and HOME within that range.

    I drove 12 miles up (2000ft to 4000ft) from Baker and have 6 miles left.
    Turn back downhill and back to 16 miles. Pay $200 (24 miles round trip at $10/mile) for the tow truck to bring me back up to the turn around ramp.

    I'm not sure I understand that...

    Currently in Primm, waiting for someone to bring me a mobile charger. Their old L2 charger is gone. Still building the Electrify America. Or wait for 100 miles AAA towing that i signed up 2 days ago.

    Seems like a small generator would be worthwhile "cargo".

    There was a Hydai driver waiting for AAA because CCS was not communicating with his car. CDM works fine for me. It was not equipment problem, but CCS protocol problem.

    Basically, 100 miles towing is a must for EV drivers.

    Wow, I can't recall ever needing towing to handle something that was
    so much in *my* control as is "refueling"! I recall being stuck in
    holiday traffic on the Mass 'Pike coming home from school -- for 4 hours.
    But, knew that there's be a gas station nearby, regardless.

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  • From jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com@21:1/5 to edward.ming.lee@gmail.com on Sat Jun 18 12:57:28 2022
    On Sat, 18 Jun 2022 12:05:01 -0700 (PDT), Ed Lee
    <edward.ming.lee@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Saturday, June 18, 2022 at 10:25:01 AM UTC-7, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
    On Sat, 18 Jun 2022 06:59:20 -0700 (PDT), Ed Lee
    <edward....@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Saturday, June 18, 2022 at 6:35:48 AM UTC-7, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
    On Sat, 18 Jun 2022 04:05:35 -0700 (PDT), Ed Lee
    <edward....@gmail.com> wrote:

    I am bringing my Leaf to Vegas for someone to work on. Unfortunately, many mechanics refused to touch anything EV, even if only to drop the battery down for me to work on.

    My Leaf currently have 15kWh, which is fine from the SF area to Bakersfield. However, there are three major charging gap in kWh. Mile gap is misleading. (1) and (3) are around 25 miles.

    (1) 20kWh: Baker to Valley Well Rest Area.
    (2) 17kWh: Boron Rest Area to Barstow.
    (3) 16kWh: Bakersfield to TehaChaPi

    With 25kWh (15+10) after upgrade, it should not be a problem for me anymore, but for my fellow older Leaf gamblers.

    There are lots of gas stations. I don't even have to think about it.

    But some people have to think about paying $6 to $7 gas.
    Yes, a giant suv or pickup just got expensive to drive very far. That
    will hurt lots of people. GM and Ford will need to play catchup when
    everyone wants little Hondas and Toyotas.

    The war on fossil fuels isn't making a lot of friends.

    Well, after dropping off my Leaf, i am going to drive my Son's Lexus 300 (16 miles / gal) 1000 miles to Seatle, burning 60 gal of gas and $370. I am entitled to it, after saving all the carbon quota with my Leaf for my son to burn.

    My Audi gets 22 mpg! But nobody gets great mileage driving the hills
    of San Francisco.



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    - Robert Widlar

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  • From Ed Lee@21:1/5 to Don Y on Sat Jun 18 12:54:35 2022
    On Saturday, June 18, 2022 at 12:37:32 PM UTC-7, Don Y wrote:
    On 6/18/2022 11:56 AM, Ed Lee wrote:
    On Saturday, June 18, 2022 at 10:07:07 AM UTC-7, Don Y wrote:

    Wow! Does this mean you can only get ~25 miles on a charge? I can get
    just about that much from my electric wheelchair and most of that energy >> goes into moving the chair, not me! (and a wheelchair isn't typically
    designed for long distances)

    With 15kWh, i get 30 miles at 50MPH or 50 miles at 30MPH.
    At "in town" speeds (stop and go -- averaging 19 MPH according to the
    trip computer in the car), we can go about 350 miles on a tank -- assuming the air conditioning is on MAX the whole time (common this time of year).

    On the highway? A bit over 500.

    And, that's a big "box" vehicle.
    I did (2) cruising at 33MPH with blinker, still have 10 miles left. With
    Yikes! Folks drive that speed in our residential neighborhood (limit
    being 25 so you know 35 is the norm). City streets are 45 (which means 55). Doing less than 70 on the highway will be met with lots of ire from
    other drivers!
    many angry drivers following. "Good Sam" was not good to me. Their driver wants $300 to tow me 5 miles, even with 5 miles insured. He said he was 30 miles away and they can't find any body else. Hopefully, AAA got more drivers.
    Hmmm... we have towing insurance ($5 or 10/year) but I doubt they'd ever expect us to need it for more than a few miles as there are service stations,
    repair shops and HOME within that range.
    I drove 12 miles up (2000ft to 4000ft) from Baker and have 6 miles left. Turn back downhill and back to 16 miles. Pay $200 (24 miles round trip at $10/mile) for the tow truck to bring me back up to the turn around ramp.
    I'm not sure I understand that...

    From Baker, 16 miles uphill from 2000ft to 4000ft. First turn-around ramp is 12 miles away. I figure that i could not make it to the next station 23 miles away. So, i had to turn back to the Charger in Baker. A tow truck was nearby and he gave me 20%
    discount from still highway robbery of $240. He said he need to drive 24 miles round-trip, about 30 minutes at $500 per hour rate. I would not have paid that if i was not in a rush.

    Currently in Primm, waiting for someone to bring me a mobile charger. Their
    old L2 charger is gone. Still building the Electrify America. Or wait for 100 miles AAA towing that i signed up 2 days ago.
    Seems like a small generator would be worthwhile "cargo".
    There was a Hydai driver waiting for AAA because CCS was not communicating with his car. CDM works fine for me. It was not equipment problem, but CCS protocol problem.

    Basically, 100 miles towing is a must for EV drivers.
    Wow, I can't recall ever needing towing to handle something that was
    so much in *my* control as is "refueling"! I recall being stuck in
    holiday traffic on the Mass 'Pike coming home from school -- for 4 hours. But, knew that there's be a gas station nearby, regardless.

    Yes, can't wait to burn 60 gallons of gas on my son's Lexus. See my other post.

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  • From Ed Lee@21:1/5 to jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com on Sat Jun 18 13:27:40 2022
    On Saturday, June 18, 2022 at 12:57:43 PM UTC-7, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
    On Sat, 18 Jun 2022 12:05:01 -0700 (PDT), Ed Lee
    <edward....@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Saturday, June 18, 2022 at 10:25:01 AM UTC-7, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
    On Sat, 18 Jun 2022 06:59:20 -0700 (PDT), Ed Lee
    <edward....@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Saturday, June 18, 2022 at 6:35:48 AM UTC-7, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
    On Sat, 18 Jun 2022 04:05:35 -0700 (PDT), Ed Lee
    <edward....@gmail.com> wrote:

    I am bringing my Leaf to Vegas for someone to work on. Unfortunately, many mechanics refused to touch anything EV, even if only to drop the battery down for me to work on.

    My Leaf currently have 15kWh, which is fine from the SF area to Bakersfield. However, there are three major charging gap in kWh. Mile gap is misleading. (1) and (3) are around 25 miles.

    (1) 20kWh: Baker to Valley Well Rest Area.
    (2) 17kWh: Boron Rest Area to Barstow.
    (3) 16kWh: Bakersfield to TehaChaPi

    With 25kWh (15+10) after upgrade, it should not be a problem for me anymore, but for my fellow older Leaf gamblers.

    There are lots of gas stations. I don't even have to think about it.

    But some people have to think about paying $6 to $7 gas.
    Yes, a giant suv or pickup just got expensive to drive very far. That
    will hurt lots of people. GM and Ford will need to play catchup when
    everyone wants little Hondas and Toyotas.

    The war on fossil fuels isn't making a lot of friends.

    Well, after dropping off my Leaf, i am going to drive my Son's Lexus 300 (16 miles / gal) 1000 miles to Seatle, burning 60 gal of gas and $370. I am entitled to it, after saving all the carbon quota with my Leaf for my son to burn.
    My Audi gets 22 mpg! But nobody gets great mileage driving the hills
    of San Francisco.

    My son's Lexus is perhaps 20 years old. He said 16 mpg highway.

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  • From Ed Lee@21:1/5 to Don Y on Sat Jun 18 13:39:18 2022
    On Saturday, June 18, 2022 at 1:28:16 PM UTC-7, Don Y wrote:
    On 6/18/2022 12:54 PM, Ed Lee wrote:
    On Saturday, June 18, 2022 at 12:37:32 PM UTC-7, Don Y wrote:
    On 6/18/2022 11:56 AM, Ed Lee wrote:
    On Saturday, June 18, 2022 at 10:07:07 AM UTC-7, Don Y wrote:

    Wow! Does this mean you can only get ~25 miles on a charge? I can get >>>> just about that much from my electric wheelchair and most of that
    energy goes into moving the chair, not me! (and a wheelchair isn't
    typically designed for long distances)

    With 15kWh, i get 30 miles at 50MPH or 50 miles at 30MPH.
    At "in town" speeds (stop and go -- averaging 19 MPH according to the trip >> computer in the car), we can go about 350 miles on a tank -- assuming the >> air conditioning is on MAX the whole time (common this time of year).

    On the highway? A bit over 500.

    And, that's a big "box" vehicle.
    I did (2) cruising at 33MPH with blinker, still have 10 miles left.
    With
    Yikes! Folks drive that speed in our residential neighborhood (limit being >> 25 so you know 35 is the norm). City streets are 45 (which means 55).
    Doing less than 70 on the highway will be met with lots of ire from other >> drivers!
    many angry drivers following. "Good Sam" was not good to me. Their
    driver wants $300 to tow me 5 miles, even with 5 miles insured. He said >>> he was 30 miles away and they can't find any body else. Hopefully, AAA >>> got more drivers.
    Hmmm... we have towing insurance ($5 or 10/year) but I doubt they'd ever >> expect us to need it for more than a few miles as there are service
    stations, repair shops and HOME within that range.

    I drove 12 miles up (2000ft to 4000ft) from Baker and have 6 miles
    left. Turn back downhill and back to 16 miles. Pay $200 (24 miles round >>> trip at $10/mile) for the tow truck to bring me back up to the turn
    around ramp.
    I'm not sure I understand that...

    From Baker, 16 miles uphill from 2000ft to 4000ft.
    OK, so you drove 12 of those miles, then realized you didn't have enough charge left for the remaining 4 (16-12)? So, the "6" estimate "left"
    isn't trustworthy?

    I had 6 miles left (the car adjust to uphill estimate). 4 more miles uphill and 9 miles level. No way to make it there.

    But, turning around (divided highway with limited opportunities to do so?) increased your range from 6 to 16 miles -- sufficient to make the 12
    miles BACK to your starting point.
    First turn-around ramp
    is 12 miles away. I figure that i could not make it to the next station 23
    Because you started out with less than a full charge?

    I charged up to 90%.

    I.e., could you EVER make that 23 mile (uphill) trip on a single charge?

    Unlikely, even at 100%.

    miles away. So, i had to turn back to the Charger in Baker. A tow truck
    was nearby and he gave me 20% discount from still highway robbery of $240. He said he need to drive 24 miles round-trip, about 30 minutes at $500 per hour rate. I would not have paid that if i was not in a rush.
    Why is that better than just continuing past the turn-around point and running
    out of charge a mile or two short of your goal (and getting a SHORT tow
    from that point)?

    No way. The tow truck would charge 50 miles round trip from Baker. I learned my lesson. Don't break down in remote area.

    Currently in Primm, waiting for someone to bring me a mobile charger.
    Their old L2 charger is gone. Still building the Electrify America. Or >>> wait for 100 miles AAA towing that i signed up 2 days ago.
    Seems like a small generator would be worthwhile "cargo".
    There was a Hydai driver waiting for AAA because CCS was not
    communicating with his car. CDM works fine for me. It was not equipment >>> problem, but CCS protocol problem.

    Basically, 100 miles towing is a must for EV drivers.
    Wow, I can't recall ever needing towing to handle something that was so
    much in *my* control as is "refueling"! I recall being stuck in holiday
    traffic on the Mass 'Pike coming home from school -- for 4 hours. But,
    knew that there's be a gas station nearby, regardless.

    Yes, can't wait to burn 60 gallons of gas on my son's Lexus. See my other post.
    I could drive to Chicago on 60 gallons of gas and still have a tankful
    to "spend" when I got there! And, again, this car isn't aerodynamically efficient.

    Perhaps i can convince my son to drive EV.

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  • From Don Y@21:1/5 to Ed Lee on Sat Jun 18 13:28:03 2022
    On 6/18/2022 12:54 PM, Ed Lee wrote:
    On Saturday, June 18, 2022 at 12:37:32 PM UTC-7, Don Y wrote:
    On 6/18/2022 11:56 AM, Ed Lee wrote:
    On Saturday, June 18, 2022 at 10:07:07 AM UTC-7, Don Y wrote:

    Wow! Does this mean you can only get ~25 miles on a charge? I can get
    just about that much from my electric wheelchair and most of that
    energy goes into moving the chair, not me! (and a wheelchair isn't
    typically designed for long distances)

    With 15kWh, i get 30 miles at 50MPH or 50 miles at 30MPH.
    At "in town" speeds (stop and go -- averaging 19 MPH according to the trip >> computer in the car), we can go about 350 miles on a tank -- assuming the
    air conditioning is on MAX the whole time (common this time of year).

    On the highway? A bit over 500.

    And, that's a big "box" vehicle.
    I did (2) cruising at 33MPH with blinker, still have 10 miles left.
    With
    Yikes! Folks drive that speed in our residential neighborhood (limit being >> 25 so you know 35 is the norm). City streets are 45 (which means 55).
    Doing less than 70 on the highway will be met with lots of ire from other
    drivers!
    many angry drivers following. "Good Sam" was not good to me. Their
    driver wants $300 to tow me 5 miles, even with 5 miles insured. He said
    he was 30 miles away and they can't find any body else. Hopefully, AAA
    got more drivers.
    Hmmm... we have towing insurance ($5 or 10/year) but I doubt they'd ever
    expect us to need it for more than a few miles as there are service
    stations, repair shops and HOME within that range.

    I drove 12 miles up (2000ft to 4000ft) from Baker and have 6 miles
    left. Turn back downhill and back to 16 miles. Pay $200 (24 miles round
    trip at $10/mile) for the tow truck to bring me back up to the turn
    around ramp.
    I'm not sure I understand that...

    From Baker, 16 miles uphill from 2000ft to 4000ft.

    OK, so you drove 12 of those miles, then realized you didn't have enough
    charge left for the remaining 4 (16-12)? So, the "6" estimate "left"
    isn't trustworthy?

    But, turning around (divided highway with limited opportunities to do so?) increased your range from 6 to 16 miles -- sufficient to make the 12
    miles BACK to your starting point.

    First turn-around ramp
    is 12 miles away. I figure that i could not make it to the next station 23

    Because you started out with less than a full charge? I.e., could you EVER make that 23 mile (uphill) trip on a single charge?

    miles away. So, i had to turn back to the Charger in Baker. A tow truck
    was nearby and he gave me 20% discount from still highway robbery of $240.
    He said he need to drive 24 miles round-trip, about 30 minutes at $500 per hour rate. I would not have paid that if i was not in a rush.

    Why is that better than just continuing past the turn-around point and running out of charge a mile or two short of your goal (and getting a SHORT tow
    from that point)?

    Currently in Primm, waiting for someone to bring me a mobile charger.
    Their old L2 charger is gone. Still building the Electrify America. Or
    wait for 100 miles AAA towing that i signed up 2 days ago.
    Seems like a small generator would be worthwhile "cargo".
    There was a Hydai driver waiting for AAA because CCS was not
    communicating with his car. CDM works fine for me. It was not equipment
    problem, but CCS protocol problem.

    Basically, 100 miles towing is a must for EV drivers.
    Wow, I can't recall ever needing towing to handle something that was so
    much in *my* control as is "refueling"! I recall being stuck in holiday
    traffic on the Mass 'Pike coming home from school -- for 4 hours. But,
    knew that there's be a gas station nearby, regardless.

    Yes, can't wait to burn 60 gallons of gas on my son's Lexus. See my other post.

    I could drive to Chicago on 60 gallons of gas and still have a tankful
    to "spend" when I got there! And, again, this car isn't aerodynamically efficient.

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  • From rbowman@21:1/5 to Ed Lee on Sat Jun 18 15:14:11 2022
    On 06/18/2022 01:05 PM, Ed Lee wrote:
    Well, after dropping off my Leaf, i am going to drive my Son's Lexus 300 (16 miles / gal) 1000 miles to Seatle, burning 60 gal of gas and $370. I am entitled to it, after saving all the carbon quota with my Leaf for my son to burn.

    Even the 6 cylinder Lexus isn't supposed to get that crappy a mileage.

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  • From rbowman@21:1/5 to Don Y on Sat Jun 18 15:21:23 2022
    On 06/18/2022 01:37 PM, Don Y wrote:
    On 6/18/2022 11:56 AM, Ed Lee wrote:
    On Saturday, June 18, 2022 at 10:07:07 AM UTC-7, Don Y wrote:

    Wow! Does this mean you can only get ~25 miles on a charge? I can get
    just about that much from my electric wheelchair and most of that energy >>> goes into moving the chair, not me! (and a wheelchair isn't typically
    designed for long distances)

    With 15kWh, i get 30 miles at 50MPH or 50 miles at 30MPH.

    At "in town" speeds (stop and go -- averaging 19 MPH according to the
    trip computer in the car), we can go about 350 miles on a tank -- assuming the air conditioning is on MAX the whole time (common this time of year).

    On the highway? A bit over 500.

    And, that's a big "box" vehicle.

    I did (2) cruising at 33MPH with blinker, still have 10 miles left. With

    Yikes! Folks drive that speed in our residential neighborhood (limit
    being 25 so you know 35 is the norm). City streets are 45 (which means
    55).
    Doing less than 70 on the highway will be met with lots of ire from
    other drivers!

    many angry drivers following. "Good Sam" was not good to me. Their
    driver
    wants $300 to tow me 5 miles, even with 5 miles insured. He said he
    was 30
    miles away and they can't find any body else. Hopefully, AAA got more
    drivers.

    Hmmm... we have towing insurance ($5 or 10/year) but I doubt they'd ever expect us to need it for more than a few miles as there are service
    stations,
    repair shops and HOME within that range.

    I drove 12 miles up (2000ft to 4000ft) from Baker and have 6 miles left.
    Turn back downhill and back to 16 miles. Pay $200 (24 miles round trip at
    $10/mile) for the tow truck to bring me back up to the turn around ramp.

    I'm not sure I understand that...

    Currently in Primm, waiting for someone to bring me a mobile charger.
    Their
    old L2 charger is gone. Still building the Electrify America. Or wait
    for
    100 miles AAA towing that i signed up 2 days ago.

    Seems like a small generator would be worthwhile "cargo".

    But that would be an evil internal combustion engine burning fossil
    fuels. In the Baker area solar panels mounted on the roof and hood might
    work.

    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/death-valley-national-park-visitor-found-dead-after-walking-for-gas-say-park-officials/ar-AAYxXE2

    Not a good place to run out of gas, er, electricity.

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  • From rbowman@21:1/5 to Ed Lee on Sat Jun 18 15:28:47 2022
    On 06/18/2022 02:39 PM, Ed Lee wrote:
    On Saturday, June 18, 2022 at 1:28:16 PM UTC-7, Don Y wrote:
    On 6/18/2022 12:54 PM, Ed Lee wrote:
    On Saturday, June 18, 2022 at 12:37:32 PM UTC-7, Don Y wrote:
    On 6/18/2022 11:56 AM, Ed Lee wrote:
    On Saturday, June 18, 2022 at 10:07:07 AM UTC-7, Don Y wrote:

    Wow! Does this mean you can only get ~25 miles on a charge? I can get >>>>>> just about that much from my electric wheelchair and most of that
    energy goes into moving the chair, not me! (and a wheelchair isn't >>>>>> typically designed for long distances)

    With 15kWh, i get 30 miles at 50MPH or 50 miles at 30MPH.
    At "in town" speeds (stop and go -- averaging 19 MPH according to the trip >>>> computer in the car), we can go about 350 miles on a tank -- assuming the >>>> air conditioning is on MAX the whole time (common this time of year).

    On the highway? A bit over 500.

    And, that's a big "box" vehicle.
    I did (2) cruising at 33MPH with blinker, still have 10 miles left.
    With
    Yikes! Folks drive that speed in our residential neighborhood (limit being >>>> 25 so you know 35 is the norm). City streets are 45 (which means 55).
    Doing less than 70 on the highway will be met with lots of ire from other >>>> drivers!
    many angry drivers following. "Good Sam" was not good to me. Their
    driver wants $300 to tow me 5 miles, even with 5 miles insured. He said >>>>> he was 30 miles away and they can't find any body else. Hopefully, AAA >>>>> got more drivers.
    Hmmm... we have towing insurance ($5 or 10/year) but I doubt they'd ever >>>> expect us to need it for more than a few miles as there are service
    stations, repair shops and HOME within that range.

    I drove 12 miles up (2000ft to 4000ft) from Baker and have 6 miles
    left. Turn back downhill and back to 16 miles. Pay $200 (24 miles round >>>>> trip at $10/mile) for the tow truck to bring me back up to the turn
    around ramp.
    I'm not sure I understand that...

    From Baker, 16 miles uphill from 2000ft to 4000ft.
    OK, so you drove 12 of those miles, then realized you didn't have enough
    charge left for the remaining 4 (16-12)? So, the "6" estimate "left"
    isn't trustworthy?

    I had 6 miles left (the car adjust to uphill estimate). 4 more miles uphill and 9 miles level. No way to make it there.

    But, turning around (divided highway with limited opportunities to do so?) >> increased your range from 6 to 16 miles -- sufficient to make the 12
    miles BACK to your starting point.
    First turn-around ramp
    is 12 miles away. I figure that i could not make it to the next station 23 >> Because you started out with less than a full charge?

    I charged up to 90%.

    I.e., could you EVER make that 23 mile (uphill) trip on a single charge?

    Unlikely, even at 100%.

    miles away. So, i had to turn back to the Charger in Baker. A tow truck
    was nearby and he gave me 20% discount from still highway robbery of $240. >>> He said he need to drive 24 miles round-trip, about 30 minutes at $500 per >>> hour rate. I would not have paid that if i was not in a rush.
    Why is that better than just continuing past the turn-around point and running
    out of charge a mile or two short of your goal (and getting a SHORT tow
    from that point)?

    No way. The tow truck would charge 50 miles round trip from Baker. I learned my lesson. Don't break down in remote area.

    Welcome to reality. There's nothing but remote from Barstow to Jean.
    I'm surprised there is a charger in Baker. Is it next to the thermometer?

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  • From Don Y@21:1/5 to Ed Lee on Sat Jun 18 15:04:59 2022
    On 6/18/2022 1:39 PM, Ed Lee wrote:

    I drove 12 miles up (2000ft to 4000ft) from Baker and have 6 miles
    left. Turn back downhill and back to 16 miles. Pay $200 (24 miles
    round trip at $10/mile) for the tow truck to bring me back up to the >>>>> turn around ramp.
    I'm not sure I understand that...

    From Baker, 16 miles uphill from 2000ft to 4000ft.
    OK, so you drove 12 of those miles, then realized you didn't have enough
    charge left for the remaining 4 (16-12)? So, the "6" estimate "left" isn't >> trustworthy?

    I had 6 miles left (the car adjust to uphill estimate). 4 more miles uphill and 9 miles level. No way to make it there.

    But that suggests you'd be 7 miles short of your goal. 7 is considerably
    less distance for a tow than 20+!

    But, turning around (divided highway with limited opportunities to do
    so?) increased your range from 6 to 16 miles -- sufficient to make the 12
    miles BACK to your starting point.
    First turn-around ramp is 12 miles away. I figure that i could not make
    it to the next station 23
    Because you started out with less than a full charge?

    I charged up to 90%.

    I.e., could you EVER make that 23 mile (uphill) trip on a single charge?

    Unlikely, even at 100%.

    Ah. This suggests you need a new/different vehicle -- or, to rethink
    WHERE you want to go with your current vehicle.

    We drive very little but would find a 25 mi range limit difficult
    to cope with. E.g., a trip to/from the oriental market is ~15 mi each
    way. We'd not be keen on killing time, there, waiting for the car to
    be ready for the return trip.

    Even our short jaunts for groceries and other supplies rely on being able
    to get BACK in the car and head out, again (e.g., drop off the frozen foods
    at the house and continue with the remainder of the shopping)

    miles away. So, i had to turn back to the Charger in Baker. A tow truck
    was nearby and he gave me 20% discount from still highway robbery of
    $240. He said he need to drive 24 miles round-trip, about 30 minutes at
    $500 per hour rate. I would not have paid that if i was not in a rush.
    Why is that better than just continuing past the turn-around point and
    running out of charge a mile or two short of your goal (and getting a
    SHORT tow from that point)?

    No way. The tow truck would charge 50 miles round trip from Baker. I

    There's no tow available from the "other end"?

    learned my lesson. Don't break down in remote area.

    Be thankful you don't have to drive on the Navajo Nation. I think there
    is ONE service station on the 60 mile trek from flag to page.

    Currently in Primm, waiting for someone to bring me a mobile
    charger. Their old L2 charger is gone. Still building the Electrify
    America. Or wait for 100 miles AAA towing that i signed up 2 days
    ago.
    Seems like a small generator would be worthwhile "cargo".
    There was a Hydai driver waiting for AAA because CCS was not
    communicating with his car. CDM works fine for me. It was not
    equipment problem, but CCS protocol problem.

    Basically, 100 miles towing is a must for EV drivers.
    Wow, I can't recall ever needing towing to handle something that was
    so much in *my* control as is "refueling"! I recall being stuck in
    holiday traffic on the Mass 'Pike coming home from school -- for 4
    hours. But, knew that there's be a gas station nearby, regardless.

    Yes, can't wait to burn 60 gallons of gas on my son's Lexus. See my
    other post.
    I could drive to Chicago on 60 gallons of gas and still have a tankful to
    "spend" when I got there! And, again, this car isn't aerodynamically
    efficient.

    Perhaps i can convince my son to drive EV.

    Does he have good WALKING SHOES? :-/

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  • From rbowman@21:1/5 to Don Y on Sat Jun 18 20:51:46 2022
    On 06/18/2022 04:04 PM, Don Y wrote:
    On 6/18/2022 1:39 PM, Ed Lee wrote:

    I drove 12 miles up (2000ft to 4000ft) from Baker and have 6 miles >>>>>> left. Turn back downhill and back to 16 miles. Pay $200 (24 miles
    round trip at $10/mile) for the tow truck to bring me back up to the >>>>>> turn around ramp.
    I'm not sure I understand that...

    From Baker, 16 miles uphill from 2000ft to 4000ft.
    OK, so you drove 12 of those miles, then realized you didn't have
    enough charge left for the remaining 4 (16-12)? So, the "6" estimate
    "left" isn't
    trustworthy?

    I had 6 miles left (the car adjust to uphill estimate). 4 more miles
    uphill
    and 9 miles level. No way to make it there.

    But that suggests you'd be 7 miles short of your goal. 7 is considerably less distance for a tow than 20+!

    But, turning around (divided highway with limited opportunities to do
    so?) increased your range from 6 to 16 miles -- sufficient to make
    the 12 miles BACK to your starting point.
    First turn-around ramp is 12 miles away. I figure that i could not make >>>> it to the next station 23
    Because you started out with less than a full charge?

    I charged up to 90%.

    I.e., could you EVER make that 23 mile (uphill) trip on a single charge?

    Unlikely, even at 100%.

    Ah. This suggests you need a new/different vehicle -- or, to rethink
    WHERE you want to go with your current vehicle.

    We drive very little but would find a 25 mi range limit difficult
    to cope with. E.g., a trip to/from the oriental market is ~15 mi each
    way. We'd not be keen on killing time, there, waiting for the car to
    be ready for the return trip.

    Even our short jaunts for groceries and other supplies rely on being able
    to get BACK in the car and head out, again (e.g., drop off the frozen foods at the house and continue with the remainder of the shopping)

    miles away. So, i had to turn back to the Charger in Baker. A tow
    truck was nearby and he gave me 20% discount from still highway
    robbery of
    $240. He said he need to drive 24 miles round-trip, about 30 minutes at >>>> $500 per hour rate. I would not have paid that if i was not in a rush.
    Why is that better than just continuing past the turn-around point and
    running out of charge a mile or two short of your goal (and getting a
    SHORT tow from that point)?

    No way. The tow truck would charge 50 miles round trip from Baker. I

    There's no tow available from the "other end"?

    The 'other end' from Baker would be Primm NV on the state line. It shows
    a Tesla Supercharger there but I don't know if they would deign to
    charge an elderly Leaf.

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  • From Don Y@21:1/5 to All on Sat Jun 18 22:01:34 2022
    No way. The tow truck would charge 50 miles round trip from Baker. I

    There's no tow available from the "other end"?

    The 'other end' from Baker would be Primm NV on the state line. It shows a Tesla Supercharger there but I don't know if they would deign to charge an elderly Leaf.

    So, there are several issues:
    - is there a towing service based out of Primm that could fetch him the
    last few miles
    - is there an accessible charger in Primm
    - can the vehicle "self-charge", albeit at a likely slower rate
    (isn't this possible with some vehicles? "plug in"?)

    What would be the solution, going forward, for such a range
    limitation -- carry a spare charger?

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  • From bitrex@21:1/5 to Don Y on Sun Jun 19 09:39:19 2022
    On 6/18/2022 1:06 PM, Don Y wrote:
    On 6/18/2022 4:05 AM, Ed Lee wrote:
    I am bringing my Leaf to Vegas for someone to work on.  Unfortunately,
    many mechanics refused to touch anything EV, even if only to drop the
    battery down for me to work on.

    My Leaf currently have 15kWh, which is fine from the SF area to
    Bakersfield. However, there are three major charging gap in kWh.  Mile
    gap is misleading.  (1) and (3) are around 25 miles.

    (1) 20kWh: Baker to Valley Well Rest Area.
    (2) 17kWh: Boron Rest Area to Barstow.
    (3) 16kWh: Bakersfield to TehaChaPi

    With 25kWh (15+10) after upgrade, it should not be a problem for me
    anymore, but for my fellow older Leaf gamblers.

    Wow!  Does this mean you can only get ~25 miles on a charge?  I can get just
    about that much from my electric wheelchair and most of that energy goes
    into
    moving the chair, not me!  (and a wheelchair isn't typically designed for long distances)

    His Leaf's battery sounds degraded to hell.

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  • From Ricky@21:1/5 to jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com on Sun Jun 19 09:22:23 2022
    On Saturday, June 18, 2022 at 3:57:43 PM UTC-4, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
    On Sat, 18 Jun 2022 12:05:01 -0700 (PDT), Ed Lee
    <edward....@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Saturday, June 18, 2022 at 10:25:01 AM UTC-7, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
    On Sat, 18 Jun 2022 06:59:20 -0700 (PDT), Ed Lee
    <edward....@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Saturday, June 18, 2022 at 6:35:48 AM UTC-7, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
    On Sat, 18 Jun 2022 04:05:35 -0700 (PDT), Ed Lee
    <edward....@gmail.com> wrote:

    I am bringing my Leaf to Vegas for someone to work on. Unfortunately, many mechanics refused to touch anything EV, even if only to drop the battery down for me to work on.

    My Leaf currently have 15kWh, which is fine from the SF area to Bakersfield. However, there are three major charging gap in kWh. Mile gap is misleading. (1) and (3) are around 25 miles.

    (1) 20kWh: Baker to Valley Well Rest Area.
    (2) 17kWh: Boron Rest Area to Barstow.
    (3) 16kWh: Bakersfield to TehaChaPi

    With 25kWh (15+10) after upgrade, it should not be a problem for me anymore, but for my fellow older Leaf gamblers.

    There are lots of gas stations. I don't even have to think about it.

    But some people have to think about paying $6 to $7 gas.
    Yes, a giant suv or pickup just got expensive to drive very far. That
    will hurt lots of people. GM and Ford will need to play catchup when
    everyone wants little Hondas and Toyotas.

    The war on fossil fuels isn't making a lot of friends.

    Well, after dropping off my Leaf, i am going to drive my Son's Lexus 300 (16 miles / gal) 1000 miles to Seatle, burning 60 gal of gas and $370. I am entitled to it, after saving all the carbon quota with my Leaf for my son to burn.
    My Audi gets 22 mpg! But nobody gets great mileage driving the hills
    of San Francisco.

    Sounds perfect for BEVs! Use power on the uphill side and put it back in the battery on the downhill side.

    --

    Rick C.

    -- Get 1,000 miles of free Supercharging
    -- Tesla referral code - https://ts.la/richard11209

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  • From Ricky@21:1/5 to Ed Lee on Sun Jun 19 09:20:08 2022
    On Saturday, June 18, 2022 at 2:56:19 PM UTC-4, Ed Lee wrote:
    On Saturday, June 18, 2022 at 10:07:07 AM UTC-7, Don Y wrote:
    On 6/18/2022 4:05 AM, Ed Lee wrote:
    I am bringing my Leaf to Vegas for someone to work on. Unfortunately, many mechanics refused to touch anything EV, even if only to drop the battery down for me to work on.

    My Leaf currently have 15kWh, which is fine from the SF area to Bakersfield. However, there are three major charging gap in kWh. Mile gap is misleading. (1) and (3) are around 25 miles.

    (1) 20kWh: Baker to Valley Well Rest Area.
    (2) 17kWh: Boron Rest Area to Barstow.
    (3) 16kWh: Bakersfield to TehaChaPi

    With 25kWh (15+10) after upgrade, it should not be a problem for me anymore, but for my fellow older Leaf gamblers.
    Wow! Does this mean you can only get ~25 miles on a charge? I can get just about that much from my electric wheelchair and most of that energy goes into
    moving the chair, not me! (and a wheelchair isn't typically designed for long distances)
    With 15kWh, i get 30 miles at 50MPH or 50 miles at 30MPH.

    I did (2) cruising at 33MPH with blinker, still have 10 miles left. With many angry drivers following.
    "Good Sam" was not good to me. Their driver wants $300 to tow me 5 miles, even with 5 miles insured. He said he was 30 miles away and they can't find any body else. Hopefully, AAA got more drivers.

    I drove 12 miles up (2000ft to 4000ft) from Baker and have 6 miles left. Turn back downhill and back to 16 miles.
    Pay $200 (24 miles round trip at $10/mile) for the tow truck to bring me back up to the turn around ramp.

    Currently in Primm, waiting for someone to bring me a mobile charger. Their old L2 charger is gone. Still building the Electrify America.
    Or wait for 100 miles AAA towing that i signed up 2 days ago.

    There was a Hydai driver waiting for AAA because CCS was not communicating with his car. CDM works fine for me. It was not equipment problem, but CCS protocol problem.

    Basically, 100 miles towing is a must for EV drivers.

    Yes, if you are a complete moron and can't drive an actual BEV with some range. What Ed is doing is like driving a car with a dented gas tank, so it only holds two gallons.

    What a maroon!

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  • From Ricky@21:1/5 to Don Y on Sun Jun 19 09:16:54 2022
    On Saturday, June 18, 2022 at 1:07:07 PM UTC-4, Don Y wrote:
    On 6/18/2022 4:05 AM, Ed Lee wrote:
    I am bringing my Leaf to Vegas for someone to work on. Unfortunately, many mechanics refused to touch anything EV, even if only to drop the battery down for me to work on.

    My Leaf currently have 15kWh, which is fine from the SF area to Bakersfield. However, there are three major charging gap in kWh. Mile gap is misleading. (1) and (3) are around 25 miles.

    (1) 20kWh: Baker to Valley Well Rest Area.
    (2) 17kWh: Boron Rest Area to Barstow.
    (3) 16kWh: Bakersfield to TehaChaPi

    With 25kWh (15+10) after upgrade, it should not be a problem for me anymore, but for my fellow older Leaf gamblers.
    Wow! Does this mean you can only get ~25 miles on a charge? I can get just about that much from my electric wheelchair and most of that energy goes into
    moving the chair, not me! (and a wheelchair isn't typically designed for long distances)

    Ed Lee is a very odd fellow. He bought a BEV that has maybe 70 miles of range when new and the battery is now nearly shot. He seems to enjoy this form of self flagellation, spending loads of time on trying to improve the range and charging rate. He is
    probably 1 in a million in this regard, which means there are 330 like him in the US. I guess they haven't found their way to s.e.d yet.

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  • From John Doe@21:1/5 to Ricky on Sun Jun 19 17:31:47 2022
    Ricky <gnuarm.deletethisbit@gmail.com> wrote:

    Ed Lee wrote:
    Don Y wrote:
    Ed Lee wrote:

    I am bringing my Leaf to Vegas for someone to work on.
    Unfortunately, many mechanics refused to touch anything EV, even if
    only to drop the battery down for me to work on.

    My Leaf currently have 15kWh, which is fine from the SF area to
    Bakersfield. However, there are three major charging gap in kWh.
    Mile gap is misleading. (1) and (3) are around 25 miles.

    (1) 20kWh: Baker to Valley Well Rest Area. (2) 17kWh: Boron Rest
    Area to Barstow. (3) 16kWh: Bakersfield to TehaChaPi

    With 25kWh (15+10) after upgrade, it should not be a problem for me
    anymore, but for my fellow older Leaf gamblers.
    Wow! Does this mean you can only get ~25 miles on a charge? I can get
    just about that much from my electric wheelchair and most of that
    energy goes into moving the chair, not me! (and a wheelchair isn't
    typically designed for long distances)
    With 15kWh, i get 30 miles at 50MPH or 50 miles at 30MPH.

    I did (2) cruising at 33MPH with blinker, still have 10 miles left.
    With many angry drivers following. "Good Sam" was not good to me. Their
    driver wants $300 to tow me 5 miles, even with 5 miles insured. He said
    he was 30 miles away and they can't find any body else. Hopefully, AAA
    got more drivers.

    I drove 12 miles up (2000ft to 4000ft) from Baker and have 6 miles
    left. Turn back downhill and back to 16 miles. Pay $200 (24 miles round
    trip at $10/mile) for the tow truck to bring me back up to the turn
    around ramp.

    Currently in Primm, waiting for someone to bring me a mobile charger.
    Their old L2 charger is gone. Still building the Electrify America.
    Or wait for 100 miles AAA towing that i signed up 2 days ago.

    There was a Hydai driver waiting for AAA because CCS was not
    communicating with his car. CDM works fine for me. It was not equipment
    problem, but CCS protocol problem.

    Basically, 100 miles towing is a must for EV drivers.

    Yes, if you are a complete moron and can't drive an actual BEV with some range. What Ed is doing is like driving a car with a dented gas tank,
    so it only holds two gallons.

    What a maroon!

    A whole lot worse than a dented gas tank, gas powered cars NEVER
    spontaneously combust. Messing around with a faulty electric car battery
    sounds like a recipe for disaster. Maybe that's why no one will service it locally.

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  • From Don Y@21:1/5 to bitrex on Sun Jun 19 11:58:15 2022
    On 6/19/2022 6:39 AM, bitrex wrote:
    On 6/18/2022 1:06 PM, Don Y wrote:
    On 6/18/2022 4:05 AM, Ed Lee wrote:
    I am bringing my Leaf to Vegas for someone to work on. Unfortunately, many >>> mechanics refused to touch anything EV, even if only to drop the battery >>> down for me to work on.

    My Leaf currently have 15kWh, which is fine from the SF area to Bakersfield.
    However, there are three major charging gap in kWh. Mile gap is
    misleading. (1) and (3) are around 25 miles.

    (1) 20kWh: Baker to Valley Well Rest Area.
    (2) 17kWh: Boron Rest Area to Barstow.
    (3) 16kWh: Bakersfield to TehaChaPi

    With 25kWh (15+10) after upgrade, it should not be a problem for me anymore,
    but for my fellow older Leaf gamblers.

    Wow! Does this mean you can only get ~25 miles on a charge? I can get just >> about that much from my electric wheelchair and most of that energy goes into
    moving the chair, not me! (and a wheelchair isn't typically designed for
    long distances)

    His Leaf's battery sounds degraded to hell.

    So, what was the range likely to be (assuming an obsessive, overly cautious driver) when new?

    What happens when ALL batteries reach that point?

    When the starter battery in an ICE dies (3-8 years, depending on climate),
    much of it's materials are recoverable (recyclable). And, the cost to
    replace is relatively low ($100 and 15 minutes of your UNSKILLED time).

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  • From Ricky@21:1/5 to Don Y on Sun Jun 19 12:12:21 2022
    On Sunday, June 19, 2022 at 2:58:24 PM UTC-4, Don Y wrote:
    On 6/19/2022 6:39 AM, bitrex wrote:
    On 6/18/2022 1:06 PM, Don Y wrote:
    On 6/18/2022 4:05 AM, Ed Lee wrote:
    I am bringing my Leaf to Vegas for someone to work on. Unfortunately, many
    mechanics refused to touch anything EV, even if only to drop the battery >>> down for me to work on.

    My Leaf currently have 15kWh, which is fine from the SF area to Bakersfield.
    However, there are three major charging gap in kWh. Mile gap is
    misleading. (1) and (3) are around 25 miles.

    (1) 20kWh: Baker to Valley Well Rest Area.
    (2) 17kWh: Boron Rest Area to Barstow.
    (3) 16kWh: Bakersfield to TehaChaPi

    With 25kWh (15+10) after upgrade, it should not be a problem for me anymore,
    but for my fellow older Leaf gamblers.

    Wow! Does this mean you can only get ~25 miles on a charge? I can get just
    about that much from my electric wheelchair and most of that energy goes into
    moving the chair, not me! (and a wheelchair isn't typically designed for >> long distances)

    His Leaf's battery sounds degraded to hell.
    So, what was the range likely to be (assuming an obsessive, overly cautious driver) when new?

    What happens when ALL batteries reach that point?

    When the starter battery in an ICE dies (3-8 years, depending on climate), much of it's materials are recoverable (recyclable). And, the cost to replace is relatively low ($100 and 15 minutes of your UNSKILLED time).

    Some BEV manufacturers consider EOL to be when the capacity of the battery reaches 70% of the original capacity. That is still useful, but less convenient on trips. If your cell phone battery reaches 70% of the original capacity, do you throw out the
    phone? Do you even consider replacing the battery? No, why? Because you are ready toss the phone in general.

    My phone and car are about the same age, 4 years. The phone battery is at 85% of the original capacity and the car is at 93% and over 40,000 miles. I think it's going to be ok. The car is losing around 1% per year after about 2-3% in the first year.
    I'll probably be at the 20 year point before I consider replacing the battery in my car. I'm hoping I can get a different battery with more capacity.

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  • From Ed Lee@21:1/5 to Ricky on Sun Jun 19 12:40:35 2022
    On Sunday, June 19, 2022 at 9:17:02 AM UTC-7, Ricky wrote:
    On Saturday, June 18, 2022 at 1:07:07 PM UTC-4, Don Y wrote:
    On 6/18/2022 4:05 AM, Ed Lee wrote:
    I am bringing my Leaf to Vegas for someone to work on. Unfortunately, many mechanics refused to touch anything EV, even if only to drop the battery down for me to work on.

    My Leaf currently have 15kWh, which is fine from the SF area to Bakersfield. However, there are three major charging gap in kWh. Mile gap is misleading. (1) and (3) are around 25 miles.

    (1) 20kWh: Baker to Valley Well Rest Area.
    (2) 17kWh: Boron Rest Area to Barstow.
    (3) 16kWh: Bakersfield to TehaChaPi

    With 25kWh (15+10) after upgrade, it should not be a problem for me anymore, but for my fellow older Leaf gamblers.
    Wow! Does this mean you can only get ~25 miles on a charge? I can get just about that much from my electric wheelchair and most of that energy goes into
    moving the chair, not me! (and a wheelchair isn't typically designed for long distances)
    Ed Lee is a very odd fellow. He bought a BEV that has maybe 70 miles of range when new and the battery is now nearly shot. He seems to enjoy this form of self flagellation, spending loads of time on trying to improve the range and charging rate. He is
    probably 1 in a million in this regard, which means there are 330 like him in the US. I guess they haven't found their way to s.e.d yet.

    There are still plenty of us around. More like 33,000. First gen Leafs are still holding in price.

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  • From Ed Lee@21:1/5 to rbowman on Sun Jun 19 12:34:44 2022
    On Saturday, June 18, 2022 at 7:51:55 PM UTC-7, rbowman wrote:
    On 06/18/2022 04:04 PM, Don Y wrote:
    On 6/18/2022 1:39 PM, Ed Lee wrote:

    I drove 12 miles up (2000ft to 4000ft) from Baker and have 6 miles >>>>>> left. Turn back downhill and back to 16 miles. Pay $200 (24 miles >>>>>> round trip at $10/mile) for the tow truck to bring me back up to the >>>>>> turn around ramp.
    I'm not sure I understand that...

    From Baker, 16 miles uphill from 2000ft to 4000ft.
    OK, so you drove 12 of those miles, then realized you didn't have
    enough charge left for the remaining 4 (16-12)? So, the "6" estimate
    "left" isn't
    trustworthy?

    I had 6 miles left (the car adjust to uphill estimate). 4 more miles
    uphill
    and 9 miles level. No way to make it there.

    But that suggests you'd be 7 miles short of your goal. 7 is considerably less distance for a tow than 20+!

    But, turning around (divided highway with limited opportunities to do
    so?) increased your range from 6 to 16 miles -- sufficient to make
    the 12 miles BACK to your starting point.
    First turn-around ramp is 12 miles away. I figure that i could not make >>>> it to the next station 23
    Because you started out with less than a full charge?

    I charged up to 90%.

    I.e., could you EVER make that 23 mile (uphill) trip on a single charge? >>
    Unlikely, even at 100%.

    Ah. This suggests you need a new/different vehicle -- or, to rethink
    WHERE you want to go with your current vehicle.

    We drive very little but would find a 25 mi range limit difficult
    to cope with. E.g., a trip to/from the oriental market is ~15 mi each
    way. We'd not be keen on killing time, there, waiting for the car to
    be ready for the return trip.

    Even our short jaunts for groceries and other supplies rely on being able to get BACK in the car and head out, again (e.g., drop off the frozen foods at the house and continue with the remainder of the shopping)

    miles away. So, i had to turn back to the Charger in Baker. A tow
    truck was nearby and he gave me 20% discount from still highway
    robbery of
    $240. He said he need to drive 24 miles round-trip, about 30 minutes at >>>> $500 per hour rate. I would not have paid that if i was not in a rush. >>> Why is that better than just continuing past the turn-around point and >>> running out of charge a mile or two short of your goal (and getting a
    SHORT tow from that point)?

    No way. The tow truck would charge 50 miles round trip from Baker. I

    There's no tow available from the "other end"?
    The 'other end' from Baker would be Primm NV on the state line. It shows
    a Tesla Supercharger there but I don't know if they would deign to
    charge an elderly Leaf.

    No, not for any non-Tesla.

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  • From Ed Lee@21:1/5 to Ed Lee on Sun Jun 19 12:45:18 2022
    On Sunday, June 19, 2022 at 12:34:52 PM UTC-7, Ed Lee wrote:
    On Saturday, June 18, 2022 at 7:51:55 PM UTC-7, rbowman wrote:
    On 06/18/2022 04:04 PM, Don Y wrote:
    On 6/18/2022 1:39 PM, Ed Lee wrote:

    I drove 12 miles up (2000ft to 4000ft) from Baker and have 6 miles >>>>>> left. Turn back downhill and back to 16 miles. Pay $200 (24 miles >>>>>> round trip at $10/mile) for the tow truck to bring me back up to the >>>>>> turn around ramp.
    I'm not sure I understand that...

    From Baker, 16 miles uphill from 2000ft to 4000ft.
    OK, so you drove 12 of those miles, then realized you didn't have
    enough charge left for the remaining 4 (16-12)? So, the "6" estimate >>> "left" isn't
    trustworthy?

    I had 6 miles left (the car adjust to uphill estimate). 4 more miles
    uphill
    and 9 miles level. No way to make it there.

    But that suggests you'd be 7 miles short of your goal. 7 is considerably less distance for a tow than 20+!

    But, turning around (divided highway with limited opportunities to do >>> so?) increased your range from 6 to 16 miles -- sufficient to make
    the 12 miles BACK to your starting point.
    First turn-around ramp is 12 miles away. I figure that i could not make
    it to the next station 23
    Because you started out with less than a full charge?

    I charged up to 90%.

    I.e., could you EVER make that 23 mile (uphill) trip on a single charge?

    Unlikely, even at 100%.

    Ah. This suggests you need a new/different vehicle -- or, to rethink WHERE you want to go with your current vehicle.

    We drive very little but would find a 25 mi range limit difficult
    to cope with. E.g., a trip to/from the oriental market is ~15 mi each way. We'd not be keen on killing time, there, waiting for the car to
    be ready for the return trip.

    Even our short jaunts for groceries and other supplies rely on being able to get BACK in the car and head out, again (e.g., drop off the frozen foods
    at the house and continue with the remainder of the shopping)

    miles away. So, i had to turn back to the Charger in Baker. A tow
    truck was nearby and he gave me 20% discount from still highway
    robbery of
    $240. He said he need to drive 24 miles round-trip, about 30 minutes at
    $500 per hour rate. I would not have paid that if i was not in a rush. >>> Why is that better than just continuing past the turn-around point and >>> running out of charge a mile or two short of your goal (and getting a >>> SHORT tow from that point)?

    No way. The tow truck would charge 50 miles round trip from Baker. I

    There's no tow available from the "other end"?
    The 'other end' from Baker would be Primm NV on the state line. It shows
    a Tesla Supercharger there but I don't know if they would deign to
    charge an elderly Leaf.
    No, not for any non-Tesla.
    There is a power outlet at the gas station. Enough for L1 to Jean, then DCFC to Vegas. Got enough to skip PRIMM while waiting for AAA that never showed after three hours.

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  • From Ricky@21:1/5 to Ed Lee on Sun Jun 19 13:09:42 2022
    On Sunday, June 19, 2022 at 3:40:42 PM UTC-4, Ed Lee wrote:
    On Sunday, June 19, 2022 at 9:17:02 AM UTC-7, Ricky wrote:
    On Saturday, June 18, 2022 at 1:07:07 PM UTC-4, Don Y wrote:
    On 6/18/2022 4:05 AM, Ed Lee wrote:
    I am bringing my Leaf to Vegas for someone to work on. Unfortunately, many mechanics refused to touch anything EV, even if only to drop the battery down for me to work on.

    My Leaf currently have 15kWh, which is fine from the SF area to Bakersfield. However, there are three major charging gap in kWh. Mile gap is misleading. (1) and (3) are around 25 miles.

    (1) 20kWh: Baker to Valley Well Rest Area.
    (2) 17kWh: Boron Rest Area to Barstow.
    (3) 16kWh: Bakersfield to TehaChaPi

    With 25kWh (15+10) after upgrade, it should not be a problem for me anymore, but for my fellow older Leaf gamblers.
    Wow! Does this mean you can only get ~25 miles on a charge? I can get just
    about that much from my electric wheelchair and most of that energy goes into
    moving the chair, not me! (and a wheelchair isn't typically designed for long distances)
    Ed Lee is a very odd fellow. He bought a BEV that has maybe 70 miles of range when new and the battery is now nearly shot. He seems to enjoy this form of self flagellation, spending loads of time on trying to improve the range and charging rate. He
    is probably 1 in a million in this regard, which means there are 330 like him in the US. I guess they haven't found their way to s.e.d yet.
    There are still plenty of us around. More like 33,000. First gen Leafs are still holding in price.

    It is your delusion that you drive your BEV like anyone else. I guess you have some mental condition that prevents you from seeing yourself the way others see you. YOU ARE HAVING YOUR CAR TOWED BECAUSE IT CAN'T DRIVE FAR ENOUGH TO REACH A CHARGER, YET
    YOU TAKE THE TRIP KNOWING THIS IN ADVANCE!!!

    How may Leaf owners can make that claim?

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  • From Ed Lee@21:1/5 to Ricky on Sun Jun 19 13:55:52 2022
    On Sunday, June 19, 2022 at 1:09:50 PM UTC-7, Ricky wrote:
    On Sunday, June 19, 2022 at 3:40:42 PM UTC-4, Ed Lee wrote:
    On Sunday, June 19, 2022 at 9:17:02 AM UTC-7, Ricky wrote:
    On Saturday, June 18, 2022 at 1:07:07 PM UTC-4, Don Y wrote:
    On 6/18/2022 4:05 AM, Ed Lee wrote:
    I am bringing my Leaf to Vegas for someone to work on. Unfortunately, many mechanics refused to touch anything EV, even if only to drop the battery down for me to work on.

    My Leaf currently have 15kWh, which is fine from the SF area to Bakersfield. However, there are three major charging gap in kWh. Mile gap is misleading. (1) and (3) are around 25 miles.

    (1) 20kWh: Baker to Valley Well Rest Area.
    (2) 17kWh: Boron Rest Area to Barstow.
    (3) 16kWh: Bakersfield to TehaChaPi

    With 25kWh (15+10) after upgrade, it should not be a problem for me anymore, but for my fellow older Leaf gamblers.
    Wow! Does this mean you can only get ~25 miles on a charge? I can get just
    about that much from my electric wheelchair and most of that energy goes into
    moving the chair, not me! (and a wheelchair isn't typically designed for
    long distances)
    Ed Lee is a very odd fellow. He bought a BEV that has maybe 70 miles of range when new and the battery is now nearly shot. He seems to enjoy this form of self flagellation, spending loads of time on trying to improve the range and charging rate. He
    is probably 1 in a million in this regard, which means there are 330 like him in the US. I guess they haven't found their way to s.e.d yet.
    There are still plenty of us around. More like 33,000. First gen Leafs are still holding in price.
    It is your delusion that you drive your BEV like anyone else. I guess you have some mental condition that prevents you from seeing yourself the way others see you. YOU ARE HAVING YOUR CAR TOWED BECAUSE IT CAN'T DRIVE FAR ENOUGH TO REACH A CHARGER, YET
    YOU TAKE THE TRIP KNOWING THIS IN ADVANCE!!!

    I have to be in Vegas, and I expected Good Sam and AAA to honor their contracts. I guess i was wrong about this.

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  • From rbowman@21:1/5 to Ed Lee on Sun Jun 19 15:01:37 2022
    On 06/19/2022 01:45 PM, Ed Lee wrote:
    On Sunday, June 19, 2022 at 12:34:52 PM UTC-7, Ed Lee wrote:
    On Saturday, June 18, 2022 at 7:51:55 PM UTC-7, rbowman wrote:
    On 06/18/2022 04:04 PM, Don Y wrote:
    On 6/18/2022 1:39 PM, Ed Lee wrote:

    I drove 12 miles up (2000ft to 4000ft) from Baker and have 6 miles >>>>>>>>> left. Turn back downhill and back to 16 miles. Pay $200 (24 miles >>>>>>>>> round trip at $10/mile) for the tow truck to bring me back up to the >>>>>>>>> turn around ramp.
    I'm not sure I understand that...

    From Baker, 16 miles uphill from 2000ft to 4000ft.
    OK, so you drove 12 of those miles, then realized you didn't have
    enough charge left for the remaining 4 (16-12)? So, the "6" estimate >>>>>> "left" isn't
    trustworthy?

    I had 6 miles left (the car adjust to uphill estimate). 4 more miles >>>>> uphill
    and 9 miles level. No way to make it there.

    But that suggests you'd be 7 miles short of your goal. 7 is considerably >>>> less distance for a tow than 20+!

    But, turning around (divided highway with limited opportunities to do >>>>>> so?) increased your range from 6 to 16 miles -- sufficient to make >>>>>> the 12 miles BACK to your starting point.
    First turn-around ramp is 12 miles away. I figure that i could not make >>>>>>> it to the next station 23
    Because you started out with less than a full charge?

    I charged up to 90%.

    I.e., could you EVER make that 23 mile (uphill) trip on a single charge? >>>>>
    Unlikely, even at 100%.

    Ah. This suggests you need a new/different vehicle -- or, to rethink
    WHERE you want to go with your current vehicle.

    We drive very little but would find a 25 mi range limit difficult
    to cope with. E.g., a trip to/from the oriental market is ~15 mi each
    way. We'd not be keen on killing time, there, waiting for the car to
    be ready for the return trip.

    Even our short jaunts for groceries and other supplies rely on being able >>>> to get BACK in the car and head out, again (e.g., drop off the frozen foods
    at the house and continue with the remainder of the shopping)

    miles away. So, i had to turn back to the Charger in Baker. A tow >>>>>>> truck was nearby and he gave me 20% discount from still highway
    robbery of
    $240. He said he need to drive 24 miles round-trip, about 30 minutes at >>>>>>> $500 per hour rate. I would not have paid that if i was not in a rush. >>>>>> Why is that better than just continuing past the turn-around point and >>>>>> running out of charge a mile or two short of your goal (and getting a >>>>>> SHORT tow from that point)?

    No way. The tow truck would charge 50 miles round trip from Baker. I

    There's no tow available from the "other end"?
    The 'other end' from Baker would be Primm NV on the state line. It shows >>> a Tesla Supercharger there but I don't know if they would deign to
    charge an elderly Leaf.
    No, not for any non-Tesla.
    There is a power outlet at the gas station. Enough for L1 to Jean, then DCFC to Vegas. Got enough to skip PRIMM while waiting for AAA that never showed after three hours.


    But you missed the (alleged) Bonnie and Clyde Death Car...

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  • From Ricky@21:1/5 to Ed Lee on Sun Jun 19 19:14:18 2022
    On Sunday, June 19, 2022 at 4:56:00 PM UTC-4, Ed Lee wrote:
    On Sunday, June 19, 2022 at 1:09:50 PM UTC-7, Ricky wrote:
    On Sunday, June 19, 2022 at 3:40:42 PM UTC-4, Ed Lee wrote:
    On Sunday, June 19, 2022 at 9:17:02 AM UTC-7, Ricky wrote:
    On Saturday, June 18, 2022 at 1:07:07 PM UTC-4, Don Y wrote:
    On 6/18/2022 4:05 AM, Ed Lee wrote:
    I am bringing my Leaf to Vegas for someone to work on. Unfortunately, many mechanics refused to touch anything EV, even if only to drop the battery down for me to work on.

    My Leaf currently have 15kWh, which is fine from the SF area to Bakersfield. However, there are three major charging gap in kWh. Mile gap is misleading. (1) and (3) are around 25 miles.

    (1) 20kWh: Baker to Valley Well Rest Area.
    (2) 17kWh: Boron Rest Area to Barstow.
    (3) 16kWh: Bakersfield to TehaChaPi

    With 25kWh (15+10) after upgrade, it should not be a problem for me anymore, but for my fellow older Leaf gamblers.
    Wow! Does this mean you can only get ~25 miles on a charge? I can get just
    about that much from my electric wheelchair and most of that energy goes into
    moving the chair, not me! (and a wheelchair isn't typically designed for
    long distances)
    Ed Lee is a very odd fellow. He bought a BEV that has maybe 70 miles of range when new and the battery is now nearly shot. He seems to enjoy this form of self flagellation, spending loads of time on trying to improve the range and charging rate.
    He is probably 1 in a million in this regard, which means there are 330 like him in the US. I guess they haven't found their way to s.e.d yet.
    There are still plenty of us around. More like 33,000. First gen Leafs are still holding in price.
    It is your delusion that you drive your BEV like anyone else. I guess you have some mental condition that prevents you from seeing yourself the way others see you. YOU ARE HAVING YOUR CAR TOWED BECAUSE IT CAN'T DRIVE FAR ENOUGH TO REACH A CHARGER,
    YET YOU TAKE THE TRIP KNOWING THIS IN ADVANCE!!!
    I have to be in Vegas, and I expected Good Sam and AAA to honor their contracts. I guess i was wrong about this.

    I'm willing to bet there is language in each contract that excludes the sort of abuse you are committing. Yes, they said they would help you with towing, but they aren't the towing company, they just put you in touch and pay what they've agreed to.
    They can't guarantee service they aren't providing.

    None of that changes the fact that you planned to be stranded. I don't think there is anything more than needs to be said. Is that wrong? Did you expect to make it without getting stranded? If you aren't expecting to be stranded, why did you buy TWO
    towing insurance plans?

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  • From Ricky@21:1/5 to rbowman on Sun Jun 19 19:19:38 2022
    On Sunday, June 19, 2022 at 5:01:45 PM UTC-4, rbowman wrote:
    On 06/19/2022 01:45 PM, Ed Lee wrote:
    On Sunday, June 19, 2022 at 12:34:52 PM UTC-7, Ed Lee wrote:
    On Saturday, June 18, 2022 at 7:51:55 PM UTC-7, rbowman wrote:
    On 06/18/2022 04:04 PM, Don Y wrote:
    On 6/18/2022 1:39 PM, Ed Lee wrote:

    I drove 12 miles up (2000ft to 4000ft) from Baker and have 6 miles >>>>>>>>> left. Turn back downhill and back to 16 miles. Pay $200 (24 miles >>>>>>>>> round trip at $10/mile) for the tow truck to bring me back up to the
    turn around ramp.
    I'm not sure I understand that...

    From Baker, 16 miles uphill from 2000ft to 4000ft.
    OK, so you drove 12 of those miles, then realized you didn't have >>>>>> enough charge left for the remaining 4 (16-12)? So, the "6" estimate >>>>>> "left" isn't
    trustworthy?

    I had 6 miles left (the car adjust to uphill estimate). 4 more miles >>>>> uphill
    and 9 miles level. No way to make it there.

    But that suggests you'd be 7 miles short of your goal. 7 is considerably
    less distance for a tow than 20+!

    But, turning around (divided highway with limited opportunities to do >>>>>> so?) increased your range from 6 to 16 miles -- sufficient to make >>>>>> the 12 miles BACK to your starting point.
    First turn-around ramp is 12 miles away. I figure that i could not make
    it to the next station 23
    Because you started out with less than a full charge?

    I charged up to 90%.

    I.e., could you EVER make that 23 mile (uphill) trip on a single charge?

    Unlikely, even at 100%.

    Ah. This suggests you need a new/different vehicle -- or, to rethink >>>> WHERE you want to go with your current vehicle.

    We drive very little but would find a 25 mi range limit difficult
    to cope with. E.g., a trip to/from the oriental market is ~15 mi each >>>> way. We'd not be keen on killing time, there, waiting for the car to >>>> be ready for the return trip.

    Even our short jaunts for groceries and other supplies rely on being able
    to get BACK in the car and head out, again (e.g., drop off the frozen foods
    at the house and continue with the remainder of the shopping)

    miles away. So, i had to turn back to the Charger in Baker. A tow >>>>>>> truck was nearby and he gave me 20% discount from still highway >>>>>>> robbery of
    $240. He said he need to drive 24 miles round-trip, about 30 minutes at
    $500 per hour rate. I would not have paid that if i was not in a rush.
    Why is that better than just continuing past the turn-around point and
    running out of charge a mile or two short of your goal (and getting a >>>>>> SHORT tow from that point)?

    No way. The tow truck would charge 50 miles round trip from Baker. I >>>>
    There's no tow available from the "other end"?
    The 'other end' from Baker would be Primm NV on the state line. It shows >>> a Tesla Supercharger there but I don't know if they would deign to
    charge an elderly Leaf.
    No, not for any non-Tesla.
    There is a power outlet at the gas station. Enough for L1 to Jean, then DCFC to Vegas. Got enough to skip PRIMM while waiting for AAA that never showed after three hours.

    But you missed the (alleged) Bonnie and Clyde Death Car...

    What was that movie with John somebody, Rat Race or something like that, visiting the Barbie museum, Klaus Barbie? John Cleese was in it too. At one point the son in the back seat was complaining he really needed to stop the car, "Dad, I'm gopher
    holing!"

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  • From whit3rd@21:1/5 to Don Y on Sun Jun 19 21:43:15 2022
    On Sunday, June 19, 2022 at 11:58:24 AM UTC-7, Don Y wrote:

    When the starter battery in an ICE dies (3-8 years, depending on climate), much of it's materials are recoverable (recyclable). And, the cost to
    replace is relatively low ($100 and 15 minutes of your UNSKILLED time).

    Recyclable certainly, but cost is closer to $200. Inflation, taxes, and
    not much recycle core-charge rebate.

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  • From Don Y@21:1/5 to All on Sun Jun 19 22:58:13 2022
    On 6/19/2022 9:43 PM, whit3rd wrote:
    On Sunday, June 19, 2022 at 11:58:24 AM UTC-7, Don Y wrote:

    When the starter battery in an ICE dies (3-8 years, depending on climate), >> much of it's materials are recoverable (recyclable). And, the cost to
    replace is relatively low ($100 and 15 minutes of your UNSKILLED time).

    Recyclable certainly, but cost is closer to $200. Inflation, taxes, and
    not much recycle core-charge rebate.

    $97 (before core charge) for the last one I installed (03/29/2021). Group 24F (not huge but not dinky, either). You don't buy oversized batteries when you don't have cold weather to worry about. And, you don't buy overPRICED batteries when it will be dead in 3-4 years (from the hot temperatures), regardless.

    [And you're a fool if you let AAA supply your batteries!]

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  • From rbowman@21:1/5 to Don Y on Mon Jun 20 08:00:01 2022
    On 06/19/2022 11:58 PM, Don Y wrote:
    On 6/19/2022 9:43 PM, whit3rd wrote:
    On Sunday, June 19, 2022 at 11:58:24 AM UTC-7, Don Y wrote:

    When the starter battery in an ICE dies (3-8 years, depending on
    climate),
    much of it's materials are recoverable (recyclable). And, the cost to
    replace is relatively low ($100 and 15 minutes of your UNSKILLED time).

    Recyclable certainly, but cost is closer to $200. Inflation, taxes, and
    not much recycle core-charge rebate.

    $97 (before core charge) for the last one I installed (03/29/2021).
    Group 24F
    (not huge but not dinky, either). You don't buy oversized batteries
    when you
    don't have cold weather to worry about. And, you don't buy overPRICED batteries when it will be dead in 3-4 years (from the hot temperatures), regardless.

    I just had a case of sticker shock when looking at the battery prices
    for a Yaris. The various Diehards run around $200. There is a Valucraft
    for $100. The 1 year warranty suggests they don't have much confidence
    in their product.

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  • From jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com@21:1/5 to All on Mon Jun 20 07:26:05 2022
    On Mon, 20 Jun 2022 08:00:01 -0600, rbowman <bowman@montana.com>
    wrote:

    On 06/19/2022 11:58 PM, Don Y wrote:
    On 6/19/2022 9:43 PM, whit3rd wrote:
    On Sunday, June 19, 2022 at 11:58:24 AM UTC-7, Don Y wrote:

    When the starter battery in an ICE dies (3-8 years, depending on
    climate),
    much of it's materials are recoverable (recyclable). And, the cost to
    replace is relatively low ($100 and 15 minutes of your UNSKILLED time). >>>
    Recyclable certainly, but cost is closer to $200. Inflation, taxes, and >>> not much recycle core-charge rebate.

    $97 (before core charge) for the last one I installed (03/29/2021).
    Group 24F
    (not huge but not dinky, either). You don't buy oversized batteries
    when you
    don't have cold weather to worry about. And, you don't buy overPRICED
    batteries when it will be dead in 3-4 years (from the hot temperatures),
    regardless.

    I just had a case of sticker shock when looking at the battery prices
    for a Yaris. The various Diehards run around $200. There is a Valucraft
    for $100. The 1 year warranty suggests they don't have much confidence
    in their product.


    I wonder what the relative weights are.



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  • From Don Y@21:1/5 to rbowman on Mon Jun 20 09:32:10 2022
    On 6/20/2022 7:00 AM, rbowman wrote:
    On 06/19/2022 11:58 PM, Don Y wrote:
    On 6/19/2022 9:43 PM, whit3rd wrote:
    On Sunday, June 19, 2022 at 11:58:24 AM UTC-7, Don Y wrote:

    When the starter battery in an ICE dies (3-8 years, depending on
    climate),
    much of it's materials are recoverable (recyclable). And, the cost to
    replace is relatively low ($100 and 15 minutes of your UNSKILLED time). >>>
    Recyclable certainly, but cost is closer to $200. Inflation, taxes, and >>> not much recycle core-charge rebate.

    $97 (before core charge) for the last one I installed (03/29/2021).
    Group 24F
    (not huge but not dinky, either). You don't buy oversized batteries
    when you
    don't have cold weather to worry about. And, you don't buy overPRICED
    batteries when it will be dead in 3-4 years (from the hot temperatures),
    regardless.

    I just had a case of sticker shock when looking at the battery prices for a Yaris. The various Diehards run around $200. There is a Valucraft for $100. The
    1 year warranty suggests they don't have much confidence in their product.

    Buying a "good" battery, here, is folly. When I first moved here (~30 yr),
    my first replacement battery was a Diehard ($85) in the spirit of needing
    a "better" battery in the midwest, northeast, mountains, etc. (for those cold winter mornings when engine is effeectively larger load and the battery has reduced output capability).

    It lasted 4 years. *Pro-rated* replacement cost would have been more
    than Costco's "new" ($45).

    Switched to Costco batteries with 42 mos replacement warranty.

    And, sure as shit, replaced each successive one in that time period.

    Now, their replacement (before prorating) is at 36 months. So, I
    replace the battery unconditionally at that interval. It is so common
    that they don't even bother bench testing, etc. Seeing disabled cars
    *in* the roadway due to battery failure is just too common in the Summer months!

    SWMBOs new Acura's battery failed... in 3 years. Replaced under car's warranty. Three years later, replacement battery shit the bed.
    (see a pattern here?)

    Ah, but the replacement battery is no longer warrantied as the *car's*
    warranty (under which it was originally installed) has expired at 5 yrs (3+3>5).

    "No, thank you, I don't want one of your overpriced 'factory' batteries
    (that will likely ALSO fail in the same 3 yrs that the previous two did). Instead, I'll spend half as much at Costco and (essentially) have free
    lifetime replacements!"

    [Service agent was surprised that I didn't just let him spend a couple hundred of my dollars... for a battery (+ labor) that would likely not carry a
    warranty at the time *it* failed]

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  • From John Larkin@21:1/5 to blockedofcourse@foo.invalid on Mon Jun 20 10:36:03 2022
    On Mon, 20 Jun 2022 09:32:10 -0700, Don Y
    <blockedofcourse@foo.invalid> wrote:

    On 6/20/2022 7:00 AM, rbowman wrote:
    On 06/19/2022 11:58 PM, Don Y wrote:
    On 6/19/2022 9:43 PM, whit3rd wrote:
    On Sunday, June 19, 2022 at 11:58:24 AM UTC-7, Don Y wrote:

    When the starter battery in an ICE dies (3-8 years, depending on
    climate),
    much of it's materials are recoverable (recyclable). And, the cost to >>>>> replace is relatively low ($100 and 15 minutes of your UNSKILLED time). >>>>
    Recyclable certainly, but cost is closer to $200. Inflation, taxes, and >>>> not much recycle core-charge rebate.

    $97 (before core charge) for the last one I installed (03/29/2021).
    Group 24F
    (not huge but not dinky, either). You don't buy oversized batteries
    when you
    don't have cold weather to worry about. And, you don't buy overPRICED
    batteries when it will be dead in 3-4 years (from the hot temperatures), >>> regardless.

    I just had a case of sticker shock when looking at the battery prices for a >> Yaris. The various Diehards run around $200. There is a Valucraft for $100. The
    1 year warranty suggests they don't have much confidence in their product.

    Buying a "good" battery, here, is folly. When I first moved here (~30 yr), >my first replacement battery was a Diehard ($85) in the spirit of needing
    a "better" battery in the midwest, northeast, mountains, etc. (for those cold >winter mornings when engine is effeectively larger load and the battery has >reduced output capability).

    It lasted 4 years. *Pro-rated* replacement cost would have been more
    than Costco's "new" ($45).

    Switched to Costco batteries with 42 mos replacement warranty.

    And, sure as shit, replaced each successive one in that time period.

    Now, their replacement (before prorating) is at 36 months. So, I
    replace the battery unconditionally at that interval. It is so common
    that they don't even bother bench testing, etc. Seeing disabled cars
    *in* the roadway due to battery failure is just too common in the Summer >months!

    SWMBOs new Acura's battery failed... in 3 years. Replaced under car's >warranty. Three years later, replacement battery shit the bed.
    (see a pattern here?)

    Ah, but the replacement battery is no longer warrantied as the *car's* >warranty (under which it was originally installed) has expired at 5 yrs >(3+3>5).

    "No, thank you, I don't want one of your overpriced 'factory' batteries
    (that will likely ALSO fail in the same 3 yrs that the previous two did). >Instead, I'll spend half as much at Costco and (essentially) have free >lifetime replacements!"

    [Service agent was surprised that I didn't just let him spend a couple hundred >of my dollars... for a battery (+ labor) that would likely not carry a >warranty at the time *it* failed]

    Just get a new battery every 2 years. I do it every other annual
    service.



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  • From rbowman@21:1/5 to Don Y on Mon Jun 20 19:23:24 2022
    On 06/20/2022 10:32 AM, Don Y wrote:
    Buying a "good" battery, here, is folly. When I first moved here (~30 yr), my first replacement battery was a Diehard ($85) in the spirit of needing
    a "better" battery in the midwest, northeast, mountains, etc. (for those
    cold
    winter mornings when engine is effeectively larger load and the battery has reduced output capability).

    I haven't bought a car battery in years. The 2007 Yaris died an untimely
    death in 2011 so it doesn't count. I traded in the 2011 Yaris in 2020 on
    a leftover 2018 with the OEM battery intact. The 2018 is still going
    strong of course. I never ran it down even on sub-zero mornings. 150
    degrees or more under the hood with the car just sitting in the sun is
    hell on batteries.

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  • From Don Y@21:1/5 to rbowman on Mon Jun 20 20:17:28 2022
    On 6/20/2022 6:23 PM, rbowman wrote:
    On 06/20/2022 10:32 AM, Don Y wrote:
    Buying a "good" battery, here, is folly. When I first moved here (~30 yr), >> my first replacement battery was a Diehard ($85) in the spirit of needing
    a "better" battery in the midwest, northeast, mountains, etc. (for those
    cold
    winter mornings when engine is effeectively larger load and the battery has >> reduced output capability).

    I haven't bought a car battery in years. The 2007 Yaris died an untimely death
    in 2011 so it doesn't count. I traded in the 2011 Yaris in 2020 on a leftover 2018 with the OEM battery intact. The 2018 is still going strong of course. I never ran it down even on sub-zero mornings. 150 degrees or more under the hood
    with the car just sitting in the sun is hell on batteries.

    I would get 5+ years from a (good) battery when living "north".
    Alternators.... not so much (diode trio failing often but easy
    to rebuild)

    Here, we plan on 3 years -- despite keeping the car in an insulated
    garage (incl insulated door) and only parking it outdoors for the hour or
    so each week while shopping. (of course, there is also commute time).

    If you are observant and REMEMBER that batteries are consumables,
    you'll notice when the car starts "cranking funny" and take steps
    to replace the battery. The folks who just keep acting as if
    nothing is wrong are the ones you see "stuck in traffic" (or in
    some parking lot) when it finally gives up the ghost.

    OTOH, if you are naive enough to think a car will ALWAYS "just go",
    then you probably DESERVE that wake-up call! :>

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  • From Ed Lee@21:1/5 to rbowman on Tue Jun 21 10:08:55 2022
    On Sunday, June 19, 2022 at 2:01:45 PM UTC-7, rbowman wrote:
    On 06/19/2022 01:45 PM, Ed Lee wrote:
    On Sunday, June 19, 2022 at 12:34:52 PM UTC-7, Ed Lee wrote:
    On Saturday, June 18, 2022 at 7:51:55 PM UTC-7, rbowman wrote:
    On 06/18/2022 04:04 PM, Don Y wrote:
    On 6/18/2022 1:39 PM, Ed Lee wrote:

    I drove 12 miles up (2000ft to 4000ft) from Baker and have 6 miles >>>>>>>>> left. Turn back downhill and back to 16 miles. Pay $200 (24 miles >>>>>>>>> round trip at $10/mile) for the tow truck to bring me back up to the
    turn around ramp.
    I'm not sure I understand that...

    From Baker, 16 miles uphill from 2000ft to 4000ft.
    OK, so you drove 12 of those miles, then realized you didn't have >>>>>> enough charge left for the remaining 4 (16-12)? So, the "6" estimate >>>>>> "left" isn't
    trustworthy?

    I had 6 miles left (the car adjust to uphill estimate). 4 more miles >>>>> uphill
    and 9 miles level. No way to make it there.

    But that suggests you'd be 7 miles short of your goal. 7 is considerably
    less distance for a tow than 20+!

    But, turning around (divided highway with limited opportunities to do >>>>>> so?) increased your range from 6 to 16 miles -- sufficient to make >>>>>> the 12 miles BACK to your starting point.
    First turn-around ramp is 12 miles away. I figure that i could not make
    it to the next station 23
    Because you started out with less than a full charge?

    I charged up to 90%.

    I.e., could you EVER make that 23 mile (uphill) trip on a single charge?

    Unlikely, even at 100%.

    Ah. This suggests you need a new/different vehicle -- or, to rethink >>>> WHERE you want to go with your current vehicle.

    We drive very little but would find a 25 mi range limit difficult
    to cope with. E.g., a trip to/from the oriental market is ~15 mi each >>>> way. We'd not be keen on killing time, there, waiting for the car to >>>> be ready for the return trip.

    Even our short jaunts for groceries and other supplies rely on being able
    to get BACK in the car and head out, again (e.g., drop off the frozen foods
    at the house and continue with the remainder of the shopping)

    miles away. So, i had to turn back to the Charger in Baker. A tow >>>>>>> truck was nearby and he gave me 20% discount from still highway >>>>>>> robbery of
    $240. He said he need to drive 24 miles round-trip, about 30 minutes at
    $500 per hour rate. I would not have paid that if i was not in a rush.
    Why is that better than just continuing past the turn-around point and
    running out of charge a mile or two short of your goal (and getting a >>>>>> SHORT tow from that point)?

    No way. The tow truck would charge 50 miles round trip from Baker. I >>>>
    There's no tow available from the "other end"?
    The 'other end' from Baker would be Primm NV on the state line. It shows >>> a Tesla Supercharger there but I don't know if they would deign to
    charge an elderly Leaf.
    No, not for any non-Tesla.
    There is a power outlet at the gas station. Enough for L1 to Jean, then DCFC to Vegas. Got enough to skip PRIMM while waiting for AAA that never showed after three hours.

    But you missed the (alleged) Bonnie and Clyde Death Car...

    I parked right next to the upcoming EA fast chargers. But i don't usually have much luck with EA. I went into the casino for WiFi. They did have some show cars on display. They are too new for Bonnie and Clyde.

    Now that i have the battery pulled. A 15A barrel connector mounted on the rear of the cover and tapped into the high side of the power relay. I can start working on the battery sync. Maximum DC charging/discharging is around 60A. So, i have to split
    the current into the 15kWhr main and 10kWhr aux. I am thinking about 50% to 100% PWM equalizer with the main and aux battery. Perhaps parallel connectors next time, but i will have to live with 15A for now.

    Regarding cooling, i am thinking about a portable air compressor feeding air from the front of the battery, and two pressure relief valves at the back. Potentially 3x15A aux battery connectors in the middle of the relief values.

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  • From rbowman@21:1/5 to Ed Lee on Tue Jun 21 21:46:50 2022
    On 06/21/2022 11:08 AM, Ed Lee wrote:
    Regarding cooling, i am thinking about a portable air compressor feeding air from the front of the battery, and two pressure relief valves at the back. Potentially 3x15A aux battery connectors in the middle of the relief values.

    Raid the ice machines at Luxor; they'll never notice.

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  • From Ed Lee@21:1/5 to rbowman on Tue Jun 21 20:57:36 2022
    On Tuesday, June 21, 2022 at 8:46:57 PM UTC-7, rbowman wrote:
    On 06/21/2022 11:08 AM, Ed Lee wrote:
    Regarding cooling, i am thinking about a portable air compressor feeding air from the front of the battery, and two pressure relief valves at the back. Potentially 3x15A aux battery connectors in the middle of the relief values.
    Raid the ice machines at Luxor; they'll never notice.

    We are trying to avoid pumping liquid ice to lithium. In fact, we have a liquid filter at the compress air inlet.

    Never mind about the 15A limit. The new tap should carry 30A with 3x AWG18 wires.

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  • From Jeroen Belleman@21:1/5 to jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com on Wed Jun 22 22:55:13 2022
    On 2022-06-18 21:57, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
    On Sat, 18 Jun 2022 12:05:01 -0700 (PDT), Ed Lee
    <edward.ming.lee@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Saturday, June 18, 2022 at 10:25:01 AM UTC-7, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
    On Sat, 18 Jun 2022 06:59:20 -0700 (PDT), Ed Lee
    <edward....@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Saturday, June 18, 2022 at 6:35:48 AM UTC-7, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
    On Sat, 18 Jun 2022 04:05:35 -0700 (PDT), Ed Lee
    <edward....@gmail.com> wrote:

    I am bringing my Leaf to Vegas for someone to work on. Unfortunately, many mechanics refused to touch anything EV, even if only to drop the battery down for me to work on.

    My Leaf currently have 15kWh, which is fine from the SF area to Bakersfield. However, there are three major charging gap in kWh. Mile gap is misleading. (1) and (3) are around 25 miles.

    (1) 20kWh: Baker to Valley Well Rest Area.
    (2) 17kWh: Boron Rest Area to Barstow.
    (3) 16kWh: Bakersfield to TehaChaPi

    With 25kWh (15+10) after upgrade, it should not be a problem for me anymore, but for my fellow older Leaf gamblers.

    There are lots of gas stations. I don't even have to think about it.

    But some people have to think about paying $6 to $7 gas.
    Yes, a giant suv or pickup just got expensive to drive very far. That
    will hurt lots of people. GM and Ford will need to play catchup when
    everyone wants little Hondas and Toyotas.

    The war on fossil fuels isn't making a lot of friends.

    Well, after dropping off my Leaf, i am going to drive my Son's Lexus 300 (16 miles / gal) 1000 miles to Seatle, burning 60 gal of gas and $370. I am entitled to it, after saving all the carbon quota with my Leaf for my son to burn.

    My Audi gets 22 mpg! But nobody gets great mileage driving the hills
    of San Francisco.



    I just drove from Geneva to Locarno, which goes through the Swiss Alps. Amazingly, I got 48 mpg on that trip. My Audi is not a small one!

    I got only 41 mpg on the way back. The slope down from the Simplon pass
    is too steep to recover all energy invested on the way up.

    Jeroen Belleman

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