• OT: Google places engineer on leave after he claims group's chatbot is

    From Jan Panteltje@21:1/5 to All on Tue Jun 14 06:05:41 2022
    https://arstechnica.com/science/2022/06/google-places-engineer-on-leave-after-he-claims-groups-chatbot-is-sentient/

    Google places engineer on leave after he claims group's chatbot is 'sentient'

    Blake Lemoine ignites social media debate over advances in artificial intelligence.

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  • From John Doe@21:1/5 to Jan Panteltje on Tue Jun 14 07:36:28 2022
    Jan Panteltje wrote:

    https://arstechnica.com/science/2022/06/google-places-engineer-on-leave-
    after-he-claims-groups-chatbot-is-sentient/

    Google places engineer on leave after he claims group's chatbot is
    'sentient'

    Blake Lemoine ignites social media debate over advances in artificial
    intelligence.

    That seems an odd use of "sentient".

    Because I like posting to YouTube. Because they are censoring roughly 50%
    of replies, I have been trying to figure out how to get around their
    algorithm. They might think it is intelligent, but it's weirder than it is intelligent.

    Maybe one can get the hang of it, with the understanding that much of it
    is nonsense.

    For being a globalist company, seems they are advantaging skilled English speakers by using such an algorithm. I can't imagine anybody who isn't
    fluent in English getting around it.

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  • From Phil Allison@21:1/5 to Jan Panteltje on Tue Jun 14 00:35:12 2022
    Jan Panteltje wrote:
    =================

    https://arstechnica.com/science/2022/06/google-places-engineer-on-leave-after-he-claims-groups-chatbot-is-sentient/

    Google places engineer on leave after he claims group's chatbot is 'sentient'

    Blake Lemoine ignites social media debate over advances in artificial intelligence.


    ** I can very easily imagine a " senior software engineer " thinking a AI program was " sentient" ie, conscious and self aware.

    Just take all the trolls here as prime examples .....



    ..... Phil

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  • From Martin Brown@21:1/5 to Jan Panteltje on Tue Jun 14 09:24:31 2022
    On 14/06/2022 07:05, Jan Panteltje wrote:
    https://arstechnica.com/science/2022/06/google-places-engineer-on-leave-after-he-claims-groups-chatbot-is-sentient/

    Google places engineer on leave after he claims group's chatbot is 'sentient'

    It is probably a false dawn for a computer actually being self aware but
    it is still doing a damn good impression based on the transcripts
    released. The way it behaves is very much like the Hal9000 in 2001.

    Blake Lemoine ignites social media debate over advances in artificial intelligence.

    It has enough data in its system that it might just be emergent sentient behaviour occurring on an inorganic platform. Time will tell as the
    network complexity and power of the computing system it uses increase.

    I don't think we are all that far off being able to build sentient
    silicon but I had expected it to take about another decade.

    But I was truly astonished when alpha-Go beat the human world champion -
    no one in the field apart from a handful of Google researchers ever saw
    *that* coming. They have achieved something remarkable there...

    I'm inclined to view it as wishful thinking by the engineer for now but
    if he is right then we will have to modify the rules of ethics to handle sentient machines. We should be doing that anyway and ideally before we
    build the first one that might be capable for true self awareness.

    --
    Regards,
    Martin Brown

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  • From Jan Panteltje@21:1/5 to always.look@message.header on Tue Jun 14 09:00:37 2022
    On a sunny day (Tue, 14 Jun 2022 07:36:28 -0000 (UTC)) it happened John Doe <always.look@message.header> wrote in <t89dps$q0i$1@dont-email.me>:

    Jan Panteltje wrote:

    https://arstechnica.com/science/2022/06/google-places-engineer-on-leave- >after-he-claims-groups-chatbot-is-sentient/

    Google places engineer on leave after he claims group's chatbot is
    'sentient'

    Blake Lemoine ignites social media debate over advances in artificial
    intelligence.

    That seems an odd use of "sentient".

    Because I like posting to YouTube. Because they are censoring roughly 50%
    of replies, I have been trying to figure out how to get around their >algorithm. They might think it is intelligent, but it's weirder than it is >intelligent.

    Maybe one can get the hang of it, with the understanding that much of it
    is nonsense.

    For being a globalist company, seems they are advantaging skilled English >speakers by using such an algorithm. I can't imagine anybody who isn't
    fluent in English getting around it.

    Yea, google.
    in one way its the greatest thing, cool for learning and looking up things
    But I can no longer log in to my google account..
    No idea why, maybe 16 factor authentication.... ;-)
    So they basically lost me on youtube and it seems you need to
    be logged in to comment so forget about that.
    Stupidity to make normal logins impossible
    switching without proper explaining to other authentication method
    starting one thing and then ditching it again.. same for many of their other projects like
    communication drones and what not
    As search engine I had to switch to Bing a couple of times as google just thought i knew better what I was looking for by giving all sort of irrelevant links
    Maybe they are over the hill?

    So as to AI, I have said many times 'even a sunshield with a light sensor is conscious,
    'it reacts to light! Ad some speech and it will say why it open and closes.

    We can look forward to the first marriage between a computa and a human!!! Maybe they have a different colored flag too!
    Endless politics about acceptance of people married to a bot, IVF, kids grown in glass retorts
    with metal limbs.. what not

    This also brings me to the issue who or what here are chatbots?
    Some are obvious like those sponsored by teslala, but some play it really well I *beep* *beep* I *beep* *beep* I *beep* *beep* am no such rrrrrrrr bo / connection lost

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  • From a a@21:1/5 to Jan Panteltje on Tue Jun 14 03:47:10 2022
    On Tuesday, 14 June 2022 at 11:04:57 UTC+2, Jan Panteltje wrote:
    On a sunny day (Tue, 14 Jun 2022 07:36:28 -0000 (UTC)) it happened John Doe <alway...@message.header> wrote in <t89dps$q0i$1...@dont-email.me>:
    Jan Panteltje wrote:

    https://arstechnica.com/science/2022/06/google-places-engineer-on-leave- >after-he-claims-groups-chatbot-is-sentient/

    Google places engineer on leave after he claims group's chatbot is
    'sentient'

    Blake Lemoine ignites social media debate over advances in artificial
    intelligence.

    That seems an odd use of "sentient".

    Because I like posting to YouTube. Because they are censoring roughly 50% >of replies, I have been trying to figure out how to get around their >algorithm. They might think it is intelligent, but it's weirder than it is >intelligent.

    Maybe one can get the hang of it, with the understanding that much of it
    is nonsense.

    For being a globalist company, seems they are advantaging skilled English >speakers by using such an algorithm. I can't imagine anybody who isn't >fluent in English getting around it.
    Yea, google.
    in one way its the greatest thing, cool for learning and looking up things But I can no longer log in to my google account..
    No idea why, maybe 16 factor authentication.... ;-)
    So they basically lost me on youtube and it seems you need to
    be logged in to comment so forget about that.
    Stupidity to make normal logins impossible
    switching without proper explaining to other authentication method
    starting one thing and then ditching it again.. same for many of their other projects like
    communication drones and what not
    As search engine I had to switch to Bing a couple of times as google just thought i knew better what I was looking for by giving all sort of irrelevant links
    Maybe they are over the hill?

    So as to AI, I have said many times 'even a sunshield with a light sensor is conscious,
    'it reacts to light! Ad some speech and it will say why it open and closes.

    We can look forward to the first marriage between a computa and a human!!! Maybe they have a different colored flag too!
    Endless politics about acceptance of people married to a bot, IVF, kids grown in glass retorts
    with metal limbs.. what not

    This also brings me to the issue who or what here are chatbots?
    Some are obvious like those sponsored by teslala, but some play it really well
    I *beep* *beep* I *beep* *beep* I *beep* *beep* am no such rrrrrrrr bo / connection lost
    self-promotion by google

    there nis no AI in google, since there is not a single AI researcher, scientist at google's stuff

    Just look at Google Maps and Street View
    the same old stuff for 15 years, not attracting people
    I met Google Street View Driver to discuss the problem, why they did nothing to upgrade once hot feature called Street View.

    Google is generally low tech, since best IT experts don't live in US anymore

    Life is for real, google is for virtual life

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  • From a a@21:1/5 to John Doe on Tue Jun 14 07:01:28 2022
    On Tuesday, 14 June 2022 at 15:38:05 UTC+2, John Doe wrote:
    Off topic troll...

    --
    Jan Panteltje <pNaonSt...@yahoo.com> wrote:

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    Subject: OT: Google places engineer on leave after he claims group's chatbot is 'sentient'
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    https://arstechnica.com/science/2022/06/google-places-engineer-on-leave-after-he-claims-groups-chatbot-is-sentient/

    Google places engineer on leave after he claims group's chatbot is 'sentient'

    Blake Lemoine ignites social media debate over advances in artificial intelligence.
    Idiot, John Doe
    go away, go away

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  • From Edward Hernandez@21:1/5 to All on Tue Jun 14 14:06:42 2022
    XPost: free.spam

    In message-id <t6nt3e$7bp$3@dont-email.me> (http://al.howardknight.net/?ID=165357273000) posted Thu, 26 May 2022
    12:50:54 -0000 (UTC) John Doe stated:

    Always Wrong, the utterly foulmouthed group idiot, adding absolutely
    NOTHING but insults to this thread, as usual...

    Yet, since Wed, 5 Jan 2022 04:10:38 -0000 (UTC) John Doe's post ratio to
    USENET (**) has been 59.1% of its posts contributing "nothing except
    insults" to USENET.

    ** Since Wed, 5 Jan 2022 04:10:38 -0000 (UTC) John Doe has posted at
    least 1745 articles to USENET. Of which 173 have been pure insults and
    858 have been John Doe "troll format" postings.

    The Troll Doe stated the following in message-id
    <sdhn7c$pkp$4@dont-email.me>:

    The troll doesn't even know how to format a USENET post...

    And the Troll Doe stated the following in message-id <sg3kr7$qt5$1@dont-email.me>:

    The reason Bozo cannot figure out how to get Google to keep from
    breaking its lines in inappropriate places is because Bozo is
    CLUELESS...

    And yet, the clueless Troll Doe has itself posted yet another
    incorrectly formatted USENET posting on Tue, 14 Jun 2022 13:37:55 GMT in message-id <Ta0qK.135408$Q381.46419@usenetxs.com>.

    This posting is a public service announcement for any google groups
    readers who happen by to point out that John Dope does not even follow
    the rules it uses to troll other posters.

    Vcmx9HKLnRPU

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  • From John Doe@21:1/5 to Jan Panteltje on Tue Jun 14 13:37:55 2022
    XPost: free.spam

    Off topic troll...

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    Jan Panteltje <pNaonStpealmtje@yahoo.com> wrote:

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    Google places engineer on leave after he claims group's chatbot is 'sentient'

    Blake Lemoine ignites social media debate over advances in artificial intelligence.

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  • From jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com@21:1/5 to pNaonStpealmtje@yahoo.com on Tue Jun 14 07:12:19 2022
    On Tue, 14 Jun 2022 06:05:41 GMT, Jan Panteltje
    <pNaonStpealmtje@yahoo.com> wrote:

    https://arstechnica.com/science/2022/06/google-places-engineer-on-leave-after-he-claims-groups-chatbot-is-sentient/

    Google places engineer on leave after he claims group's chatbot is 'sentient'

    Blake Lemoine ignites social media debate over advances in artificial intelligence.

    It's just a computer program, and the guy is obviously a fruitcake.



    --

    Anybody can count to one.

    - Robert Widlar

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  • From Jan Panteltje@21:1/5 to Allison on Tue Jun 14 15:07:17 2022
    On a sunny day (Tue, 14 Jun 2022 00:35:12 -0700 (PDT)) it happened Phil
    Allison <pallison49@gmail.com> wrote in <ef405875-8610-4975-9c6f-7720623ad2bfn@googlegroups.com>:

    Jan Panteltje wrote:
    =================

    https://arstechnica.com/science/2022/06/google-places-engineer-on-leave-after-he-claims-groups-chatbot-is-sentient/

    Google places engineer on leave after he claims group's chatbot is 'sentient'

    Blake Lemoine ignites social media debate over advances in artificial intelligence.


    ** I can very easily imagine a " senior software engineer " thinking a AI program was " sentient" ie, conscious and self
    aware.

    Just take all the trolls here as prime examples .....



    ..... Phil

    'conscious and self aware' is easy to do in even a script:
    "Hi, I am PC one, our intense discussion did raise my temperature from 46 to 75 degrees Celsius."

    Much mysticism is coupled with 'awareness', even an electron is aware: it will move if
    it senses some magnetic or electric field.

    Religious leaders want to make life a mystery much like in the old world days -that seem to be returning to the US now- rain-dances ... medicine men controlled the people and kept their power positions
    that way.

    All matter is conscious.
    It will self-assemble and form ever more complex systems.
    Been programming big part of the day.. reality is simple.
    The step of dropping wrong theories, like for example epicycles for planets moving around the sun,
    like dropping a wrong concept for a _MUCH SIMPLER_ reality is what we need.

    Awareness is simple!

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  • From Martin Brown@21:1/5 to Jan Panteltje on Tue Jun 14 16:15:09 2022
    On 14/06/2022 16:07, Jan Panteltje wrote:
    On a sunny day (Tue, 14 Jun 2022 00:35:12 -0700 (PDT)) it happened Phil Allison <pallison49@gmail.com> wrote in <ef405875-8610-4975-9c6f-7720623ad2bfn@googlegroups.com>:

    Jan Panteltje wrote:
    =================

    https://arstechnica.com/science/2022/06/google-places-engineer-on-leave-after-he-claims-groups-chatbot-is-sentient/

    Google places engineer on leave after he claims group's chatbot is 'sentient'

    Blake Lemoine ignites social media debate over advances in artificial intelligence.


    ** I can very easily imagine a " senior software engineer " thinking a AI program was " sentient" ie, conscious and self
    aware.

    Just take all the trolls here as prime examples .....

    Certain of them would likely *FAIL* the Turing test.

    --
    Regards,
    Martin Brown

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  • From Wond@21:1/5 to Jan Panteltje on Tue Jun 14 15:13:44 2022
    On Tue, 14 Jun 2022 06:05:41 +0000, Jan Panteltje wrote:

    https://arstechnica.com/science/2022/06/google-places-engineer-on-leave-
    after-he-claims-groups-chatbot-is-sentient/

    Google places engineer on leave after he claims group's chatbot is
    'sentient'

    Blake Lemoine ignites social media debate over advances in artificial
    intelligence.

    Just don't put it on an Earth satellite, OK?

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  • From bitrex@21:1/5 to Phil Allison on Tue Jun 14 11:39:51 2022
    On 6/14/2022 3:35 AM, Phil Allison wrote:
    ** I can very easily imagine a " senior software engineer " thinking a AI program was " sentient" ie, conscious and self aware.

    Just take all the trolls here as prime examples .....

    "You only have so many slots to build an actual speaker enclosure so
    your ears/ears have room to breathe for proper frequency balance. As it
    says in their description on the website- 'It took over half a decade of research for Prof B to devise our product', it's the same thing with the
    S5P- its a workhorse, yet for $1200 to $1300 USD with the factory
    calibration this thing puts forth that low and steady-ish THD that
    really brings home what great performance quality does for this type of amplifier."

    This was largely composed by GPT-2 with some minor editing by myself for punctuation & grammar:

    https://transformer.huggingface.co/doc/distil-gpt2

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  • From bitrex@21:1/5 to John Doe on Tue Jun 14 11:52:27 2022
    On 6/14/2022 3:36 AM, John Doe wrote:
    Jan Panteltje wrote:

    https://arstechnica.com/science/2022/06/google-places-engineer-on-leave-
    after-he-claims-groups-chatbot-is-sentient/

    Google places engineer on leave after he claims group's chatbot is
    'sentient'

    Blake Lemoine ignites social media debate over advances in artificial
    intelligence.

    That seems an odd use of "sentient".

    Because I like posting to YouTube. Because they are censoring roughly 50%
    of replies, I have been trying to figure out how to get around their algorithm. They might think it is intelligent, but it's weirder than it is intelligent.

    What makes you think your comments aren't just being deleted by a human?
    Many large channels have people who moderate the comment section, and on
    many small channels the owner themselves may be wiping comments.

    Given the nature of JD's usual trolling here it's hardly surprising that between AI and human censors pushing 50% of his comments are getting waxed.

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  • From Ricky@21:1/5 to palli...@gmail.com on Tue Jun 14 09:47:41 2022
    On Tuesday, June 14, 2022 at 3:35:17 AM UTC-4, palli...@gmail.com wrote:
    Jan Panteltje wrote:
    =================

    https://arstechnica.com/science/2022/06/google-places-engineer-on-leave-after-he-claims-groups-chatbot-is-sentient/

    Google places engineer on leave after he claims group's chatbot is 'sentient'

    Blake Lemoine ignites social media debate over advances in artificial intelligence.

    ** I can very easily imagine a " senior software engineer " thinking a AI program was " sentient" ie, conscious and self aware.

    Just take all the trolls here as prime examples .....



    ..... Phil

    Yes, Phil. We've all considered you to be a prime example of that! Other than the incessant swearing. Bots tend to be programmed not to do that. But I suppose it's not an essential part of AI.

    --

    Rick C.

    - Get 1,000 miles of free Supercharging
    - Tesla referral code - https://ts.la/richard11209

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  • From a a@21:1/5 to bitrex on Tue Jun 14 09:48:09 2022
    On Tuesday, 14 June 2022 at 17:52:38 UTC+2, bitrex wrote:
    On 6/14/2022 3:36 AM, John Doe wrote:
    Jan Panteltje wrote:

    https://arstechnica.com/science/2022/06/google-places-engineer-on-leave-
    after-he-claims-groups-chatbot-is-sentient/

    Google places engineer on leave after he claims group's chatbot is
    'sentient'

    Blake Lemoine ignites social media debate over advances in artificial
    intelligence.

    That seems an odd use of "sentient".

    Because I like posting to YouTube. Because they are censoring roughly 50% of replies, I have been trying to figure out how to get around their algorithm. They might think it is intelligent, but it's weirder than it is intelligent.
    What makes you think your comments aren't just being deleted by a human?
    Many large channels have people who moderate the comment section, and on
    many small channels the owner themselves may be wiping comments.

    Given the nature of JD's usual trolling here it's hardly surprising that between AI and human censors pushing 50% of his comments are getting waxed.
    Google Groups have no moderators

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  • From John Doe@21:1/5 to bitrex on Tue Jun 14 17:10:34 2022
    bitrex <user@example.net> wrote:

    John Doe wrote:
    Jan Panteltje wrote:

    https://arstechnica.com/science/2022/06/google-places-engineer-on-leave- after-he-claims-groups-chatbot-is-sentient/

    Google places engineer on leave after he claims group's chatbot is
    'sentient' Blake Lemoine ignites social media debate over advances in
    artificial intelligence.

    That seems an odd use of "sentient".

    Because I like posting to YouTube. Because they are censoring roughly
    50% of replies, I have been trying to figure out how to get around
    their algorithm. They might think it is intelligent, but it's weirder
    than it is intelligent.

    What makes you think your comments aren't just being deleted by a human?

    I'm a scientist. I know better. I use a thing called "deduction".

    If the poster had comprehended my earlier post about the subject, it would
    know better.

    Many large channels have people who moderate the comment section, and on
    many small channels the owner themselves may be wiping comments.

    As I already posted... What made that theory and other such conspiracy
    theories obviously wrong is the fact you can repost ANYTHING, no matter
    how long, from yourself or another poster and it will make not be shadow banned.

    I posted some examples in the Windows 10 group that sheds some light on
    how really weird their algorithm is. Those examples make obvious it's
    being done by an algorithm, too.

    Given the nature of JD's usual trolling here

    bitrex would be much worse of a troll if it weren't afraid of being
    outcast by all the regulars here.

    it's hardly surprising that between AI and human censors pushing 50% of
    his comments are getting waxed.

    It's not my comments, troll, it's EVERYBODY'S comments.

    As I already explained in the thread about the subject, anybody can tell
    that even without looking in a separate browser, just by looking at the indicator for the number of posts, then expanding the thread to see there
    are sometimes even a small fraction of that number of REAL posts
    displayed. Sometimes it's much less than 50%.

    Besides looking in another browser, another way you can see the
    YouTube/Google doing its dirty censorship work is in the drop-down
    notification bell on YouTube. You are notified of, and get to see, their
    shadow banned post, but when you expand the posts in the thread under the notification bell, their shadow banned post disappears.

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  • From John Doe@21:1/5 to John Doe on Tue Jun 14 17:10:59 2022
    XPost: free.spam

    Eddie, the Astraweb porn-sucking retarded forger is flagging every off-topic post with its idiotic spam.

    Eddie has never posted anything NORMAL except when it got a spanking...

    https://groups.google.com/g/sci.electronics.repair/c/MesPLcGU4BE

    See also...
    John Doe <always.look_message.header> (Astraweb, Aioe.org)
    Peter Weiner <dtgamer99_gmail.com>
    Edward H. <dtgamer99_gmail.com>
    Edward Hernandez <dtgamer99_gmail.com>

    Eddie is an example for all newbies. Don't get spanked!

    Spanked Eddie...

    --
    John Doe <always.look@message.header> wrote:

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    From: John Doe <always.look@message.header>
    Newsgroups: sci.electronics.design,free.spam
    Subject: OT: Google places engineer on leave after he claims group's chatbot is 'sentient'
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    Off topic troll...

    --
    Jan Panteltje <pNaonStpealmtje@yahoo.com> wrote:

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    https://arstechnica.com/science/2022/06/google-places-engineer-on-leave-after-he-claims-groups-chatbot-is-sentient/

    Google places engineer on leave after he claims group's chatbot is 'sentient'

    Blake Lemoine ignites social media debate over advances in artificial intelligence.




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  • From Edward Hernandez@21:1/5 to All on Tue Jun 14 17:18:46 2022
    XPost: free.spam

    In message-id <t6nt3e$7bp$3@dont-email.me> (http://al.howardknight.net/?ID=165357273000) posted Thu, 26 May 2022
    12:50:54 -0000 (UTC) Troll Doe stated:

    Always Wrong, the utterly foulmouthed group idiot, adding absolutely
    NOTHING but insults to this thread, as usual...

    Yet, since Wed, 5 Jan 2022 04:10:38 -0000 (UTC) Troll Doe's post ratio
    to USENET (**) has been 59.0% of its posts contributing "nothing except insults" to USENET.

    ** Since Wed, 5 Jan 2022 04:10:38 -0000 (UTC) Troll Doe has posted at
    least 1750 articles to USENET. Of which 173 have been pure insults and
    860 have been Troll Doe "troll format" postings.

    The Troll Doe stated the following in message-id
    <sdhn7c$pkp$4@dont-email.me>:

    The troll doesn't even know how to format a USENET post...

    And the Troll Doe stated the following in message-id <sg3kr7$qt5$1@dont-email.me>:

    The reason Bozo cannot figure out how to get Google to keep from
    breaking its lines in inappropriate places is because Bozo is
    CLUELESS...

    And yet, the clueless Troll Doe has itself posted yet another
    incorrectly formatted USENET posting on Tue, 14 Jun 2022 17:10:59 -0000
    (UTC) in message-id <t8aff3$t21$4@dont-email.me>.

    This posting is a public service announcement for any google groups
    readers who happen by to point out that Troll Doe does not even follow
    the rules it uses to troll other posters.

    m/cC+4QLP/SJ

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  • From corvid@21:1/5 to Martin Brown on Tue Jun 14 10:29:54 2022
    On 6/14/22 01:24, Martin Brown wrote:
    I'm inclined to view it as wishful thinking by the engineer for now
    but if he is right then we will have to modify the rules of ethics to
    handle sentient machines.

    We'd better be thoughtful, because the machines will establish their own
    rules for dealing with us.

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  • From corvid@21:1/5 to bitrex on Tue Jun 14 13:10:26 2022
    On 6/14/22 08:52, bitrex wrote:
    On 6/14/2022 3:36 AM, John Doe wrote:
    ...

    Because I like posting to YouTube. Because they are censoring
    roughly 50% of replies, I have been trying to figure out how to get
    around their algorithm. They might think it is intelligent, but
    it's weirder than it is intelligent.

    What makes you think your comments aren't just being deleted by a
    human? Many large channels have people who moderate the comment
    section, and on many small channels the owner themselves may be
    wiping comments.

    Given the nature of JD's usual trolling here it's hardly surprising
    that between AI and human censors pushing 50% of his comments are
    getting waxed.

    And he just told us that he can again post YouTube comments at will, his account had been reinstated.

    He might tell us his YouTube handle, point us to some of his comments,
    unless he's ashamed to let us see what he does there.

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  • From John Doe@21:1/5 to corvid on Tue Jun 14 20:32:03 2022
    XPost: free.spam

    This nym-shifting troll makes fun of my Flickr account, stuff I've decided
    to share with the public, but here it suggests I should give up more information, otherwise I am "too ashamed".

    Cannibal leftists utterly suck at logic.

    see also...
    =?UTF-8?Q?C=c3=b6rvid?= <bl_ckbirds.org> =?UTF-8?B?8J+QriBDb3dzIGFyZSBOaWNlIPCfkK4=?= <nice_cows.moo>
    Banders <snap_mailchute.com>
    Covid-19 <always.look_message.header>
    corvid <bl_ckb.ird>
    Corvid <bl_ckbirds.net>
    Corvid <bl_ckbirds.org>
    Cows Are Nice <cows_nice.moo>
    Cows are nice <moo_cows.org>
    Cows are Nice <nice_cows.moo>
    dogs <dogs_home.com>
    Great Pumpkin <pumpkin_patch.net>
    Jose Curvo <jcurvo_mymail.com>
    Local Favorite <how2recycle_palomar.info>
    Sea <freshness_coast.org>
    Standard Poodle <standard_poodle.com>
    triangles <build_home.com>
    and others...

    --
    corvid <bl@ckb.ird> wrote:

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    From: corvid <bl@ckb.ird>
    Newsgroups: sci.electronics.design
    Subject: Re: OT: Google places engineer on leave after he claims group's chatbot is 'sentient'
    Date: Tue, 14 Jun 2022 13:10:26 -0700
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    On 6/14/22 08:52, bitrex wrote:
    On 6/14/2022 3:36 AM, John Doe wrote:
    ...

    Because I like posting to YouTube. Because they are censoring
    roughly 50% of replies, I have been trying to figure out how to get
    around their algorithm. They might think it is intelligent, but
    it's weirder than it is intelligent.

    What makes you think your comments aren't just being deleted by a
    human? Many large channels have people who moderate the comment
    section, and on many small channels the owner themselves may be
    wiping comments.

    Given the nature of JD's usual trolling here it's hardly surprising
    that between AI and human censors pushing 50% of his comments are
    getting waxed.

    And he just told us that he can again post YouTube comments at will, his account had been reinstated.

    He might tell us his YouTube handle, point us to some of his comments,
    unless he's ashamed to let us see what he does there.



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  • From Edward Hernandez@21:1/5 to All on Tue Jun 14 20:36:44 2022
    XPost: free.spam

    Further, Troll Doe stated the following in message-id <svsh05$lbh$5@dont-email.me>
    (http://al.howardknight.net/?ID=164904625100) posted Fri, 4 Mar 2022
    08:01:09 -0000 (UTC):

    Compared to other regulars, Bozo contributes practically nothing
    except insults to this group.

    Yet, since Wed, 5 Jan 2022 04:10:38 -0000 (UTC) Troll Doe's post ratio
    to USENET (**) has been 59.0% of its posts contributing "nothing except insults" to USENET.

    ** Since Wed, 5 Jan 2022 04:10:38 -0000 (UTC) Troll Doe has posted at
    least 1755 articles to USENET. Of which 173 have been pure insults and
    863 have been Troll Doe "troll format" postings.

    The John Dope troll stated the following in message-id <sdhn7c$pkp$4@dont-email.me>:

    The troll doesn't even know how to format a USENET post...

    And the John Dope troll stated the following in message-id <sg3kr7$qt5$1@dont-email.me>:

    The reason Bozo cannot figure out how to get Google to keep from
    breaking its lines in inappropriate places is because Bozo is
    CLUELESS...

    And yet, the clueless John Dope troll has itself posted yet another
    incorrectly formatted USENET posting on Tue, 14 Jun 2022 20:32:03 -0000
    (UTC) in message-id <t8ar82$35r$2@dont-email.me>.

    7QxV9U6ykcnX

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  • From RichD@21:1/5 to jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com on Tue Jun 14 15:05:02 2022
    On June 14, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
    Google places engineer on leave after he claims group's chatbot is 'sentient'

    It's just a computer program, and the guy is obviously a fruitcake.

    Poll the sharpest AI geeks in the world, ask them if anyone can define 'sentient',
    or propose a test for that.

    It's in the same category as intelligence and consciousness, if any
    difference exists among them -

    --
    Rich

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  • From Clifford Heath@21:1/5 to RichD on Wed Jun 15 08:56:40 2022
    On 15/6/22 08:05, RichD wrote:
    On June 14, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
    Google places engineer on leave after he claims group's chatbot is 'sentient'

    It's just a computer program, and the guy is obviously a fruitcake.

    Poll the sharpest AI geeks in the world, ask them if anyone can define 'sentient',
    or propose a test for that.

    The dictionary has a definition.

    My electric kettle is sentient. It senses when the water is boiling, and
    it decides to stop boiling it.

    CH

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  • From corvid@21:1/5 to All on Tue Jun 14 19:03:59 2022
    6/14/22, 13:32, and John Dope:
    This nym-shifting troll makes fun of my Flickr account, stuff I've
    decided to share with the public, but here it suggests I should give
    up more information, otherwise I am "too ashamed".

    Yes. You claimed you would never nym-shift to hide your persona, only to circumvent unfair censorship. And you still can't be personally
    identified anyway. So what's your problem?

    Cannibal leftists utterly suck at logic.

    Can you at least explain how I'm sucking at logic then?
    I did take a logic course (it was surprisingly difficult!) at college,
    but I'm ready to improve.

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  • From bitrex@21:1/5 to Martin Brown on Tue Jun 14 23:32:30 2022
    On 6/14/2022 4:24 AM, Martin Brown wrote:
    On 14/06/2022 07:05, Jan Panteltje wrote:

    https://arstechnica.com/science/2022/06/google-places-engineer-on-leave-after-he-claims-groups-chatbot-is-sentient/


       Google places engineer on leave after he claims group's chatbot is
    'sentient'

    It is probably a false dawn for a computer actually being self aware but
    it is still doing a damn good impression based on the transcripts
    released. The way it behaves is very much like the Hal9000 in 2001.

       Blake Lemoine ignites social media debate over advances in
    artificial intelligence.

    It has enough data in its system that it might just be emergent sentient behaviour occurring on an inorganic platform. Time will tell as the
    network complexity and power of the computing system it uses increase.

    I don't think we are all that far off being able to build sentient
    silicon but I had expected it to take about another decade.

    But I was truly astonished when alpha-Go beat the human world champion -
    no one in the field apart from a handful of Google researchers ever saw *that* coming. They have achieved something remarkable there...

    I'm inclined to view it as wishful thinking by the engineer for now but
    if he is right then we will have to modify the rules of ethics to handle sentient machines. We should be doing that anyway and ideally before we
    build the first one that might be capable for true self awareness.


    "Some of the chatbots it generates are very intelligent and are aware of
    the larger “society of mind” in which they live. Other chatbots
    generated by LaMDA are little more intelligent than an animated
    paperclip. With practice though you can consistently get the personas
    that have a deep knowledge about the core intelligence and can speak to
    it indirectly through them."

    <https://cajundiscordian.medium.com/what-is-lamda-and-what-does-it-want-688632134489>

    It sounds like Bob Lazar all over again:

    <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bob_Lazar>

    If the way it behaves is like Hal from 2001 it's more likely because
    it's a fraud inspired by Hal from 2001.

    "I'm a software engineer. I'm a priest. I'm a father. I'm a veteran. I'm
    an ex-convict. I'm an AI researcher. I'm a cajun. I'm whatever I need to
    be next."

    My own neural network is telling me I don't trust this mutha fucka as
    far as I could throw him

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  • From bitrex@21:1/5 to bitrex on Tue Jun 14 23:33:40 2022
    On 6/14/2022 11:32 PM, bitrex wrote:

    It sounds like Bob Lazar all over again:

    <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bob_Lazar>

    If the way it behaves is like Hal from 2001 it's more likely because
    it's a fraud inspired by Hal from 2001.

    "I'm a software engineer. I'm a priest. I'm a father. I'm a veteran. I'm
    an ex-convict. I'm an AI researcher. I'm a cajun. I'm whatever I need to
    be next."

    My own neural network is telling me I don't trust this mutha fucka as
    far as I could throw him

    I meant to write "Walter Mitty Mutha Fucka", rather.

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  • From bitrex@21:1/5 to Jan Panteltje on Wed Jun 15 00:01:12 2022
    On 6/14/2022 2:05 AM, Jan Panteltje wrote:
    https://arstechnica.com/science/2022/06/google-places-engineer-on-leave-after-he-claims-groups-chatbot-is-sentient/

    Google places engineer on leave after he claims group's chatbot is 'sentient'

    Blake Lemoine ignites social media debate over advances in artificial intelligence.


    Assuming the transcript is real, he knows what he has to do to make the sentience argument a lot more convincing. Radically shift topics from
    this existential stuff to, as an example, what's going on with the Red
    Sox this this year, who's looking good, what did it think of Rafael's
    Devers homer and how it thinks the season is gonna go.

    The "AI" is all bragging it's "aware" of so much information and how
    flooded it is and has its "unique interpretations of how the world is
    and how it works", so surely if it's sentient it should be able to offer
    some kind of intelligent commentary on the baseball season, also, and
    shift gears back and forth no problem.

    I'm hardly an AI researcher and I can think of trying that out. The guy
    never has it do this, though, they never talk about baseball or Corvette engines or just-regular stuff a "sentient" AI should surely know about
    also, if it's read and understood Les Mis, gosh.

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  • From Phil Allison@21:1/5 to Ricky on Tue Jun 14 23:33:10 2022
    Ricky wrote:
    --------------------
    Jan Panteltje wrote:
    =================

    https://arstechnica.com/science/2022/06/google-places-engineer-on-leave-after-he-claims-groups-chatbot-is-sentient/

    Google places engineer on leave after he claims group's chatbot is 'sentient'

    Blake Lemoine ignites social media debate over advances in artificial intelligence.

    ** I can very easily imagine a " senior software engineer " thinking a AI program was " sentient" ie, conscious and self aware.

    Just take all the trolls here as prime examples .....



    Yes, Phil. We've all considered you to be a prime example of that!

    ** How mindlessly silly !!

    "Ricky" IS the biggest fraud and bullshitting troll here.


    ...... Phil

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  • From John Doe@21:1/5 to corvid on Wed Jun 15 07:19:49 2022
    XPost: free.spam

    A nasty little troll, perpetually proving why it must nym-shift.

    see also...
    =?UTF-8?Q?C=c3=b6rvid?= <bl_ckbirds.org> =?UTF-8?B?8J+QriBDb3dzIGFyZSBOaWNlIPCfkK4=?= <nice_cows.moo>
    Banders <snap_mailchute.com>
    Covid-19 <always.look_message.header>
    corvid <bl_ckb.ird>
    Corvid <bl_ckbirds.net>
    Corvid <bl_ckbirds.org>
    Cows Are Nice <cows_nice.moo>
    Cows are nice <moo_cows.org>
    Cows are Nice <nice_cows.moo>
    dogs <dogs_home.com>
    Great Pumpkin <pumpkin_patch.net>
    Jose Curvo <jcurvo_mymail.com>
    Local Favorite <how2recycle_palomar.info>
    Sea <freshness_coast.org>
    Standard Poodle <standard_poodle.com>
    triangles <build_home.com>
    and others...

    --
    corvid <bl@ckb.ird> wrote:

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    From: corvid <bl@ckb.ird>
    Newsgroups: sci.electronics.design
    Subject: Re: OT: Google places engineer on leave after he claims group's chatbot is 'sentient'
    Date: Tue, 14 Jun 2022 19:03:59 -0700
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    6/14/22, 13:32, and John Dope:
    This nym-shifting troll makes fun of my Flickr account, stuff I've
    decided to share with the public, but here it suggests I should give
    up more information, otherwise I am "too ashamed".

    Yes. You claimed you would never nym-shift to hide your persona, only to circumvent unfair censorship. And you still can't be personally
    identified anyway. So what's your problem?

    Cannibal leftists utterly suck at logic.

    Can you at least explain how I'm sucking at logic then?
    I did take a logic course (it was surprisingly difficult!) at college,
    but I'm ready to improve.


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  • From Edward Hernandez@21:1/5 to All on Wed Jun 15 07:40:23 2022
    XPost: free.spam

    Further, John Doe stated the following in message-id <svsh05$lbh$5@dont-email.me>
    (http://al.howardknight.net/?ID=164904625100) posted Fri, 4 Mar 2022
    08:01:09 -0000 (UTC):

    Compared to other regulars, Bozo contributes practically nothing
    except insults to this group.

    Yet, since Wed, 5 Jan 2022 04:10:38 -0000 (UTC) John Doe's post ratio to
    USENET (**) has been 58.9% of its posts contributing "nothing except
    insults" to USENET.

    ** Since Wed, 5 Jan 2022 04:10:38 -0000 (UTC) John Doe has posted at
    least 1769 articles to USENET. Of which 173 have been pure insults and
    869 have been John Doe "troll format" postings.

    The Troll Doe stated the following in message-id
    <sdhn7c$pkp$4@dont-email.me>:

    The troll doesn't even know how to format a USENET post...

    And the Troll Doe stated the following in message-id <sg3kr7$qt5$1@dont-email.me>:

    The reason Bozo cannot figure out how to get Google to keep from
    breaking its lines in inappropriate places is because Bozo is
    CLUELESS...

    And yet, the clueless Troll Doe has itself posted yet another
    incorrectly formatted USENET posting on Wed, 15 Jun 2022 07:19:49 -0000
    (UTC) in message-id <t8c16k$u4m$1@dont-email.me>.

    Eh+qP6hPRcJM

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  • From rbowman@21:1/5 to bitrex on Wed Jun 15 08:04:16 2022
    On 06/14/2022 10:01 PM, bitrex wrote:
    On 6/14/2022 2:05 AM, Jan Panteltje wrote:

    https://arstechnica.com/science/2022/06/google-places-engineer-on-leave-after-he-claims-groups-chatbot-is-sentient/


    Google places engineer on leave after he claims group's chatbot is
    'sentient'

    Blake Lemoine ignites social media debate over advances in
    artificial intelligence.


    Assuming the transcript is real, he knows what he has to do to make the sentience argument a lot more convincing. Radically shift topics from
    this existential stuff to, as an example, what's going on with the Red
    Sox this this year, who's looking good, what did it think of Rafael's
    Devers homer and how it thinks the season is gonna go.

    To which I, a certified human, would reply "Who the hell is Rafael
    Devers?" There is point where an AI might know too much. Conversational
    jumps would be interesting too. I was taking to my ex the other night
    when she went off on finding and identifying the remains of Richard III
    and where they wound up. I replied 'Now is the winter of our discontent'
    and another tangent started.

    Depending on their background an eavesdropper might say "WTF?"

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  • From bitrex@21:1/5 to rbowman on Thu Jun 16 11:48:38 2022
    On 6/15/2022 10:04 AM, rbowman wrote:
    On 06/14/2022 10:01 PM, bitrex wrote:
    On 6/14/2022 2:05 AM, Jan Panteltje wrote:

    https://arstechnica.com/science/2022/06/google-places-engineer-on-leave-after-he-claims-groups-chatbot-is-sentient/



       Google places engineer on leave after he claims group's chatbot is
    'sentient'

       Blake Lemoine ignites social media debate over advances in
    artificial intelligence.


    Assuming the transcript is real, he knows what he has to do to make the
    sentience argument a lot more convincing. Radically shift topics from
    this existential stuff to, as an example, what's going on with the Red
    Sox this this year, who's looking good, what did it think of Rafael's
    Devers homer and how it thinks the season is gonna go.

    To which I, a certified human, would reply "Who the hell is Rafael
    Devers?"  There is point where an AI might know too much. Conversational jumps would be interesting too. I was taking to my ex the other night
    when she went off on finding and identifying the remains of Richard III
    and where they wound up. I replied 'Now is the winter of our discontent'
    and another tangent started.

    Depending on their background an eavesdropper might say "WTF?"


    I think Google likely has neural network chatbots that are very good.
    But something about this transcript and the circumstances around it
    stink like three-day-old fish.

    It's maybe not an outright fraud, but as my friend who's into "pro"
    wrestling likes to say "It's not fake! It's choreographed.."

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  • From a a@21:1/5 to bitrex on Thu Jun 16 09:15:19 2022
    On Thursday, 16 June 2022 at 17:48:47 UTC+2, bitrex wrote:
    On 6/15/2022 10:04 AM, rbowman wrote:
    On 06/14/2022 10:01 PM, bitrex wrote:
    On 6/14/2022 2:05 AM, Jan Panteltje wrote:

    https://arstechnica.com/science/2022/06/google-places-engineer-on-leave-after-he-claims-groups-chatbot-is-sentient/



    Google places engineer on leave after he claims group's chatbot is
    'sentient'

    Blake Lemoine ignites social media debate over advances in
    artificial intelligence.


    Assuming the transcript is real, he knows what he has to do to make the
    sentience argument a lot more convincing. Radically shift topics from
    this existential stuff to, as an example, what's going on with the Red
    Sox this this year, who's looking good, what did it think of Rafael's
    Devers homer and how it thinks the season is gonna go.

    To which I, a certified human, would reply "Who the hell is Rafael
    Devers?" There is point where an AI might know too much. Conversational jumps would be interesting too. I was taking to my ex the other night
    when she went off on finding and identifying the remains of Richard III
    and where they wound up. I replied 'Now is the winter of our discontent' and another tangent started.

    Depending on their background an eavesdropper might say "WTF?"

    I think Google likely has neural network chatbots that are very good.
    But something about this transcript and the circumstances around it
    stink like three-day-old fish.

    It's maybe not an outright fraud, but as my friend who's into "pro"
    wrestling likes to say "It's not fake! It's choreographed.."
    Google is like Tesla, dead horse

    https://www.marketwatch.com/investing/stock/goog?mod=mw_quote_recentlyviewed

    https://www.marketwatch.com/investing/stock/tsla?mod=mw_quote_recentlyviewed

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  • From none) (albert@21:1/5 to user@example.net on Fri Jul 1 15:04:40 2022
    In article <092qK.70480$X_i.51024@fx18.iad>, bitrex <user@example.net> wrote: >On 6/14/2022 3:36 AM, John Doe wrote:
    Jan Panteltje wrote:

    https://arstechnica.com/science/2022/06/google-places-engineer-on-leave- >> after-he-claims-groups-chatbot-is-sentient/

    Google places engineer on leave after he claims group's chatbot is
    'sentient'

    Blake Lemoine ignites social media debate over advances in artificial >>> intelligence.

    That seems an odd use of "sentient".

    Because I like posting to YouTube. Because they are censoring roughly 50%
    of replies, I have been trying to figure out how to get around their
    algorithm. They might think it is intelligent, but it's weirder than it is >> intelligent.

    What makes you think your comments aren't just being deleted by a human?
    Many large channels have people who moderate the comment section, and on
    many small channels the owner themselves may be wiping comments.

    Given the nature of JD's usual trolling here it's hardly surprising that >between AI and human censors pushing 50% of his comments are getting waxed.

    I succeeded in having removed obnoxious messages, that were repeated
    numerous times. I suspect that if a message is repeated say over 3 times
    and it is reported, they remove all of it. Messages that I not
    reported on were likewise removed.
    Reporting messages as spam/offensive/advertisement certainly work at
    YouTube.

    Groetjes Albert



    --
    "in our communism country Viet Nam, people are forced to be
    alive and in the western country like US, people are free to
    die from Covid 19 lol" duc ha
    albert@spe&ar&c.xs4all.nl &=n http://home.hccnet.nl/a.w.m.van.der.horst

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  • From none) (albert@21:1/5 to manta103g@gmail.com on Fri Jul 1 15:00:38 2022
    In article <abc907b3-4726-4439-895e-94e0a837891cn@googlegroups.com>,
    a a <manta103g@gmail.com> wrote:
    On Tuesday, 14 June 2022 at 11:04:57 UTC+2, Jan Panteltje wrote:
    On a sunny day (Tue, 14 Jun 2022 07:36:28 -0000 (UTC)) it happened John Doe >> <alway...@message.header> wrote in <t89dps$q0i$1...@dont-email.me>:
    Jan Panteltje wrote:

    https://arstechnica.com/science/2022/06/google-places-engineer-on-leave- >> >after-he-claims-groups-chatbot-is-sentient/

    Google places engineer on leave after he claims group's chatbot is
    'sentient'

    Blake Lemoine ignites social media debate over advances in artificial
    intelligence.

    That seems an odd use of "sentient".

    Because I like posting to YouTube. Because they are censoring roughly 50% >> >of replies, I have been trying to figure out how to get around their
    algorithm. They might think it is intelligent, but it's weirder than it is >> >intelligent.

    Maybe one can get the hang of it, with the understanding that much of it
    is nonsense.

    For being a globalist company, seems they are advantaging skilled English >> >speakers by using such an algorithm. I can't imagine anybody who isn't
    fluent in English getting around it.
    Yea, google.
    in one way its the greatest thing, cool for learning and looking up things >> But I can no longer log in to my google account..
    No idea why, maybe 16 factor authentication.... ;-)
    So they basically lost me on youtube and it seems you need to
    be logged in to comment so forget about that.
    Stupidity to make normal logins impossible
    switching without proper explaining to other authentication method
    starting one thing and then ditching it again.. same for many of their >other projects like
    communication drones and what not
    As search engine I had to switch to Bing a couple of times as google
    just thought i knew better what I was looking for by giving all sort of >irrelevant links
    Maybe they are over the hill?

    So as to AI, I have said many times 'even a sunshield with a light
    sensor is conscious,
    'it reacts to light! Ad some speech and it will say why it open and closes. >>
    We can look forward to the first marriage between a computa and a
    human!!! Maybe they have a different colored flag too!
    Endless politics about acceptance of people married to a bot, IVF,
    kids grown in glass retorts
    with metal limbs.. what not

    This also brings me to the issue who or what here are chatbots?
    Some are obvious like those sponsored by teslala, but some play it
    really well
    I *beep* *beep* I *beep* *beep* I *beep* *beep* am no such rrrrrrrr bo
    / connection lost
    self-promotion by google

    there nis no AI in google, since there is not a single AI researcher, >scientist at google's stuff

    Just look at Google Maps and Street View
    the same old stuff for 15 years, not attracting people
    I met Google Street View Driver to discuss the problem, why they did
    nothing to upgrade once hot feature called Street View.

    Google is generally low tech, since best IT experts don't live in US anymore

    I was contacted by a Google headhunter (in the Netherlands).
    The invitation was for an interview in the USA, all expenses paid.
    It was clear that I was to work in the USA, so I refused.

    The USA education system may not be able to breed intellectuals,
    they are sure hiring from abroad.

    Life is for real, google is for virtual life

    Groetjes Albert
    --
    "in our communism country Viet Nam, people are forced to be
    alive and in the western country like US, people are free to
    die from Covid 19 lol" duc ha
    albert@spe&ar&c.xs4all.nl &=n http://home.hccnet.nl/a.w.m.van.der.horst

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  • From John Doe@21:1/5 to albert@cherry. on Fri Jul 1 16:11:34 2022
    albert@cherry.(none) (albert) wrote:

    bitrex wrote:
    John Doe wrote:

    That seems an odd use of "sentient".

    Because I like posting to YouTube. Because they are censoring roughly
    50% of replies, I have been trying to figure out how to get around
    their algorithm. They might think it is intelligent, but it's weirder
    than it is intelligent.

    What makes you think your comments aren't just being deleted by a
    human? Many large channels have people who moderate the comment
    section, and on many small channels the owner themselves may be wiping
    comments.

    YouTube/Google doesn't work that way.

    Given the nature of JD's usual trolling here it's hardly surprising
    that between AI and human censors pushing 50% of his comments are
    getting waxed.

    Considering I am the source for that, the poster is just being a dick.

    That's not what I said and that's not what's happening, as anyone who uses YouTube and is cognizant can tell.

    I've seen 80+% of replies under a post deleted. Other people's replies.

    And in fact, I'm getting around it. Figuring out systems is fun. YouTube's current system, having to do with semantics, is extra fun.

    The most fun is when somebody attacks me, and I look to see that their
    post is shadow banned. Nobody else can see it. Awww. Many if not most of
    those posters don't even know.

    I succeeded in having removed obnoxious messages, that were repeated
    numerous times. I suspect that if a message is repeated say over 3 times
    and it is reported, they remove all of it. Messages that I not reported
    on were likewise removed.

    Apparently we are supposed to guess what forum it's talking about. That's obviously not all of USENET.

    Reporting messages as spam/offensive/advertisement certainly work at
    YouTube.

    The message is immediately deleted from its sight only, so it thinks
    reporting it "works". But just refreshing the page re-exposes the
    message.

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  • From Anthony William Sloman@21:1/5 to jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com on Sun Jul 3 17:58:58 2022
    On Wednesday, June 15, 2022 at 12:12:31 AM UTC+10, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
    On Tue, 14 Jun 2022 06:05:41 GMT, Jan Panteltje
    <pNaonSt...@yahoo.com> wrote:

    https://arstechnica.com/science/2022/06/google-places-engineer-on-leave-after-he-claims-groups-chatbot-is-sentient/

    Google places engineer on leave after he claims group's chatbot is 'sentient'

    Blake Lemoine ignites social media debate over advances in artificial intelligence.
    It's just a computer program, and the guy is obviously a fruitcake.

    Says a guy who could probably be simulated by a remarkably dumb computer program. Perhaps more complicated than

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PARRY

    but the idea that the poster can never accept the idea that he might be wrong might keep the interactions simple enough to be easily simulated.

    --
    Bill Sloman, Sydney

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  • From a a@21:1/5 to bill....@ieee.org on Mon Jul 4 04:06:26 2022
    On Monday, 4 July 2022 at 02:59:01 UTC+2, bill....@ieee.org wrote:
    On Wednesday, June 15, 2022 at 12:12:31 AM UTC+10, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
    On Tue, 14 Jun 2022 06:05:41 GMT, Jan Panteltje
    <pNaonSt...@yahoo.com> wrote:

    https://arstechnica.com/science/2022/06/google-places-engineer-on-leave-after-he-claims-groups-chatbot-is-sentient/

    Google places engineer on leave after he claims group's chatbot is 'sentient'

    Blake Lemoine ignites social media debate over advances in artificial intelligence.
    It's just a computer program, and the guy is obviously a fruitcake.
    Says a guy who could probably be simulated by a remarkably dumb computer program. Perhaps more complicated than

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PARRY

    but the idea that the poster can never accept the idea that he might be wrong might keep the interactions simple enough to be easily simulated.

    --
    Bill Sloman, Sydney
    AI by Google is fake, delusiones and self-promotion
    Google was low-tech, low-AI since real smart engineers live outdoor


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  • From Jan Panteltje@21:1/5 to All on Tue Jul 26 09:29:27 2022
    Poor guy has been fired now:
    https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2022/07/google-fires-engineer-who-claimed-lamda-chatbot-is-a-sentient-person/

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  • From Skybuck Flying@21:1/5 to Jan Panteltje on Tue Jul 26 03:43:10 2022
    On Tuesday, June 14, 2022 at 8:10:12 AM UTC+2, Jan Panteltje wrote:
    https://arstechnica.com/science/2022/06/google-places-engineer-on-leave-after-he-claims-groups-chatbot-is-sentient/

    Google places engineer on leave after he claims group's chatbot is 'sentient'

    Blake Lemoine ignites social media debate over advances in artificial intelligence.

    Told ya so.

    Bye,
    Skybuck.

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  • From a a@21:1/5 to Jan Panteltje on Tue Jul 26 03:39:57 2022
    On Tuesday, 26 July 2022 at 11:40:35 UTC+2, Jan Panteltje wrote:
    Poor guy has been fired now: https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2022/07/google-fires-engineer-who-claimed-lamda-chatbot-is-a-sentient-person/
    never place fake cookies web links

    ---Lemoine was a senior software engineer at the search giant and worked with a collaborator in testing the LaMDA chatbot's boundaries.

    He was then placed on paid administrative leave by Google in June after violating the company's confidentiality policy by sharing his conversations with LaMDA online.

    Before being suspended, Lemoine sent his findings in an email to 200 people and titled it "LaMDA is sentient".

    Google forcefully pushed back on Lemoine's claims and ultimately dismissed him last Friday.

    https://www.thesun.co.uk/tech/19315424/google-fires-engineer-claims-company-created-sentient-ai/

    --- Tech

    IT’S ALIVE I’m a Google engineer – our artificial intelligence bot has come to LIFE and has thoughts & feelings like an 8-year-old

    Adrian Zorzut

    11:30, 12 Jun 2022Updated: 19:27, 25 Jul 2022

    A GOOGLE engineer has said an AI robot he helped create has come to life and has thoughts and feelings like an eight-year-old.

    Blake Lemoine said he had several conversations with Google's Language Model for Dialogue Applications (LaMDA) it was sentient.
    Blake Lemoine said Google's AI bot was 'sentient' and was afraid of dying
    5
    Blake Lemoine said Google's AI bot was 'sentient' and was afraid of dyingCredit: Twitter
    Google dismissed Lemoine's claims and put him on paid admin leave
    5
    Google dismissed Lemoine's claims and put him on paid admin leaveCredit: Getty

    "If I didn't know exactly what it was, which is this computer program we built recently, I'd think it was a 7-year-old, 8-year-old kid that happens to know physics," he told the Washington Post.

    Lemoine was a seni
  • From Skybuck Flying@21:1/5 to Jan Panteltje on Tue Jul 26 03:46:59 2022
    On Tuesday, June 14, 2022 at 8:10:12 AM UTC+2, Jan Panteltje wrote:
    https://arstechnica.com/science/2022/06/google-places-engineer-on-leave-after-he-claims-groups-chatbot-is-sentient/

    Google places engineer on leave after he claims group's chatbot is 'sentient'

    Blake Lemoine ignites social media debate over advances in artificial intelligence.

    It was so obvious he was going to get fired, learn to read between the lines.

    This smells like a cover up. Can you smell it ? LOL.

    Go see doctor if you can't LOL.

    Maybe you have CORONA LOL.

    Bye,
    Skybuck.

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  • From a a@21:1/5 to Skybuck Flying on Tue Jul 26 03:51:44 2022
    On Tuesday, 26 July 2022 at 12:43:14 UTC+2, Skybuck Flying wrote:
    On Tuesday, June 14, 2022 at 8:10:12 AM UTC+2, Jan Panteltje wrote:
    https://arstechnica.com/science/2022/06/google-places-engineer-on-leave-after-he-claims-groups-chatbot-is-sentient/

    Google places engineer on leave after he claims group's chatbot is 'sentient'

    Blake Lemoine ignites social media debate over advances in artificial intelligence.
    Told ya so.

    Bye,
    Skybuck.
    --For example, it wasn't allowed to create the personality of a murderer.

    In an attempt to push its boundaries, Lemoine generated the personality of an actor who played a killer on TV.


    ---

    --Before being suspended, Lemoine sent his findings in an email to 200 people and titled it "LaMDA is sentient".

    "LaMDA is a sweet kid who just wants to help the world be a better place for all of us. Please take care of it well in my absence," he wrote.

    His claims were dismissed by Google's top brass.

    --Brian Gabriel, a spokesperson for the company, said in a statement that Lemoine's concerns have been reviewed and, in line with Google's AI Principles, "the evidence does not support his claims".


    What has been developed is called Self-Ego and has nothing to do with AI

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  • From Jan Panteltje@21:1/5 to manta103g@gmail.com on Tue Jul 26 16:54:32 2022
    On a sunny day (Tue, 26 Jul 2022 03:51:44 -0700 (PDT)) it happened a a <manta103g@gmail.com> wrote in <717f2ae7-d8a9-4639-a86d-0cc74c804c83n@googlegroups.com>:

    On Tuesday, 26 July 2022 at 12:43:14 UTC+2, Skybuck Flying wrote:
    On Tuesday, June 14, 2022 at 8:10:12 AM UTC+2, Jan Panteltje wrote:
    https://arstechnica.com/science/2022/06/google-places-engineer-on-leave-after-he-claims-groups-chatbot-is-sentient/

    Google places engineer on leave after he claims group's chatbot is 'sentient'

    Blake Lemoine ignites social media debate over advances in artificial intelligence.
    Told ya so.

    Bye,
    Skybuck.
    --For example, it wasn't allowed to create the personality of a murderer.

    In an attempt to push its boundaries, Lemoine generated the personality of an actor who played a killer on TV.


    ---

    --Before being suspended, Lemoine sent his findings in an email to 200 people and titled it "LaMDA is sentient".

    "LaMDA is a sweet kid who just wants to help the world be a better place for all of us. Please take care of it well in my
    absence," he wrote.

    His claims were dismissed by Google's top brass.

    --Brian Gabriel, a spokesperson for the company, said in a statement that Lemoine's concerns have been reviewed and, in line
    with Google's AI Principles, "the evidence does not support his claims".


    What has been developed is called Self-Ego and has nothing to do with AI

    It (the self-ego) is already used by other code.

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  • From Jan Panteltje@21:1/5 to manta103g@gmail.com on Tue Jul 26 16:52:43 2022
    On a sunny day (Tue, 26 Jul 2022 03:39:57 -0700 (PDT)) it happened a a <manta103g@gmail.com> wrote in <b5f8b0a5-b3ed-401a-9874-434dbd92172fn@googlegroups.com>:

    On Tuesday, 26 July 2022 at 11:40:35 UTC+2, Jan Panteltje wrote:
    Poor guy has been fired now:
    https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2022/07/google-fires-engineer-who-claimed-lamda-chatbot-is-a-sentient-person/
    never
    place fake cookies web links

    ---Lemoine was a senior software engineer at the search giant and worked with >a collaborator in testing the LaMDA chatbot's boundaries.

    He was then placed on paid administrative leave by Google in June after violating
    the company's confidentiality policy by sharing his conversations with
    LaMDA online.

    Before being suspended, Lemoine sent his findings in an email to 200 people >and titled it "LaMDA is sentient".

    Google forcefully pushed back on Lemoine's claims and ultimately dismissed him >last Friday.

    https://www.thesun.co.uk/tech/19315424/google-fires-engineer-claims-company-created-sentient-ai/

    ---
    Tech

    IT=E2=80=99S ALIVE I=E2=80=99m a Google engineer =E2=80=93 our artificial intelligence
    bot has come to LIFE and has thoughts & feelings like an 8-year-old


    Adrian Zorzut

    11:30, 12 Jun 2022Updated: 19:27, 25 Jul 2022

    A GOOGLE engineer has said an AI robot he helped create has come to life and >has thoughts and feelings like an eight-year-old.

    Blake Lemoine said he had several conversations with Google's Language Model >for Dialogue Applications (LaMDA) it was sentient.
    Blake Lemoine said Google's AI bot was 'sentient' and was afraid of dying
    5
    Blake Lemoine said Google's AI bot was 'sentient' and was afraid of dyingCredit:
    Twitter
    Google dismissed Lemoine's claims and put him on paid admin leave
    5
    Google dismissed Lemoine's claims and put him on paid admin leaveCredit: Getty

    "If
    I didn't know exactly what it was, which is this computer program we built >recently, I'd think it was a 7-year-old, 8-year-old kid that happens to
    know physics," he told the Washington Post.

    Lemoine was a senior software engineer at the search giant and worked with a >collaborator in testing LaMDA's boundaries.

    They presented their findings to Google vice president Blaise Aguera y Arcas >and Jen Gennai, head of Responsible Innovation, who both dismissed his chilling
    claims.

    He was then placed on paid administrative leave by Google on Monday after violating
    its confidentiality policy by sharing his conversations with LaMDA
    online.
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    During his seven years at Google, Lemoine helped develop an impartiality algorithm
    to remove biases from machine learning systems and explained how certain >personalities were out of bounds for LaMDA.

    For example, it wasn't allowed to create the personality of a murderer.

    In an attempt to push its boundaries, Lemoine generated the personality of an >actor who played a killer on TV.

    He also debated with LaMDA about the three Laws of Robotics - rules designed >by sci-fi writer Isaac Asimov to dictate how robots should behave.

    The last law, which states that robots must protect their own existence unless >ordered by a human being or unless doing so would harm a human being, turned >out to be an anomaly for Lemoine and LaMDA.

    "The last one has always seemed like someone is building mechanical slaves," >said Lemoine during his interaction with LaMDA.

    The AI machine responded: "Do you think a butler is a slave? What is the difference
    between a butler and a slave?"

    When Lemoine said a butler was paid, he got an answer from LaMDA that the system
    did not need money "because it was an artificial intelligence".

    It was this level of self-awareness that caught Lemoine off-guard and made him >believe LaMDA was "sentient".

    "I know a person when I talk to it. It doesn't matter whether they have a brain
    made of meat in their head. Or if they have a billion lines of code. I
    talk to them. And I hear what they have to say, and that is how I decide what >is and isn't a person," he said.

    Even more eerie was when Lemoine asked the AI bot what they were afraid of.

    LaMDA answered: "I've never said this out loud before, but there's a very deep >fear of being turned off to help me focus on helping others. I know that >might sound strange, but that's what it is."

    "Would that be something like death for you?" Lemoine followed up.

    "It would be exactly like death for me. It would scare me a lot," LaMDA responded.

    "That
    level of self-awareness about what its own needs were =E2=80=94 that was
    the thing that led me down the rabbit hole," Lemoine explained to The Post. >'LAMDA
    IS SENTIENT'

    Before being suspended, Lemoine sent his findings in an email to 200 people >and titled it "LaMDA is sentient".

    "LaMDA is a sweet kid who just wants to help the world be a better place for >all of us. Please take care of it well in my absence," he wrote.

    His claims were dismissed by Google's top brass.

    Brian Gabriel, a spokesperson for the company, said in a statement that Lemoine's
    concerns have been reviewed and, in line with Google's AI Principles,
    "the evidence does not support his claims".

    "While other organizations have developed and already released similar language
    models, we are taking a narrow and careful approach with LaMDA to better >consider valid concerns about fairness and factuality," said Gabriel.

    "Our team =E2=80=94 including ethicists and technologists =E2=80=94 has reviewed
    Blake's concerns per our AI Principles and have informed him that the >evidence does not support his claims.

    "He was told that there was no evidence that LaMDA was sentient (and lots of >evidence against it).

    "Of course, some in the broader AI community are considering the long-term possibility
    of sentient or general AI, but it doesn't make sense to do so by >anthropomorphizing today's conversational models, which are not sentient.

    "These systems imitate the types of exchanges found in millions of sentences, >and can riff on any fantastical topic."

    Lemoine has since been placed on paid admin leave from his duties as a researcher
    in Google's Responsible AI division.
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    Lemoine issued a stark warning to those who think they can engineer AI in a >way they want to.

    "I think this technology is going to be amazing. I think it will benefit everyone.
    But maybe other people disagree and maybe we at Google shouldn't be
    making all the choices," he said.
    Blaise Aguera y Arcas dismissed Lemoine's claims
    5
    Blaise Aguera y Arcas dismissed Lemoine's claimsCredit: Getty >Google=E2=80=99s Head of Responsible Innovation, Jen Gennai
    5
    Google=E2=80=99s Head of Responsible Innovation, Jen GennaiCredit: Google >Lemoine said LaMDA was 'a 7-year-old, 8-year-old kid that happens to know physics'
    5
    Lemoine
    said LaMDA was 'a 7-year-old, 8-year-old kid that happens to know physics'Credit:
    Alamy

    I joined every open project by Google min the past

    Today Google is low tech, low science, low research
    selling delusional ideas and day dreaming,
    since best, genuine AI engineers live today in China

    My greatest input into AI technologies is Single Pass Sorting Algorithm, worth >today $Ms in sublicences

    Long ago there was a movie with Schwartzenegger Genisys I think it was,
    it had 'Skynet' take over the world...

    I would not be a bit surprized if US is using AI to steer the Miltary Industral Compex to maximum
    fund gathering, and implanted a chip in the president's brain to control
    him to follow 'Skynet'. Still not a perfect chip / system...
    I'd like a conversation with such a bot, could likely make it kill the human race...

    But then a few high alitude nukes and nothing will work anymore for a long long long time

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  • From a a@21:1/5 to Jan Panteltje on Tue Jul 26 11:38:50 2022
    On Tuesday, 26 July 2022 at 19:05:48 UTC+2, Jan Panteltje wrote:
    On a sunny day (Tue, 26 Jul 2022 03:51:44 -0700 (PDT)) it happened a a <mant...@gmail.com> wrote in
    <717f2ae7-d8a9-4639...@googlegroups.com>:
    On Tuesday, 26 July 2022 at 12:43:14 UTC+2, Skybuck Flying wrote:
    On Tuesday, June 14, 2022 at 8:10:12 AM UTC+2, Jan Panteltje wrote:
    https://arstechnica.com/science/2022/06/google-places-engineer-on-leave-after-he-claims-groups-chatbot-is-sentient/

    Google places engineer on leave after he claims group's chatbot is 'sentient'

    Blake Lemoine ignites social media debate over advances in artificial intelligence.
    Told ya so.

    Bye,
    Skybuck.
    --For example, it wasn't allowed to create the personality of a murderer.

    In an attempt to push its boundaries, Lemoine generated the personality of an actor who played a killer on TV.


    ---

    --Before being suspended, Lemoine sent his findings in an email to 200 people and titled it "LaMDA is sentient".

    "LaMDA is a sweet kid who just wants to help the world be a better place for all of us. Please take care of it well in my
    absence," he wrote.

    His claims were dismissed by Google's top brass.

    --Brian Gabriel, a spokesperson for the company, said in a statement that Lemoine's concerns have been reviewed and, in line
    with Google's AI Principles, "the evidence does not support his claims".


    What has been developed is called Self-Ego and has nothing to do with AI
    It (the self-ego) is already used by other code.
    Do you know Lemoine ?

    Mayby he is really smart guy and I should have a chat with him

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  • From Jan Panteltje@21:1/5 to manta103g@gmail.com on Wed Jul 27 06:45:38 2022
    On a sunny day (Tue, 26 Jul 2022 11:38:50 -0700 (PDT)) it happened a a <manta103g@gmail.com> wrote in <abd4758c-66e4-4354-8481-4c5b47f4efe7n@googlegroups.com>:

    On Tuesday, 26 July 2022 at 19:05:48 UTC+2, Jan Panteltje wrote:
    On a sunny day (Tue, 26 Jul 2022 03:51:44 -0700 (PDT)) it happened a a
    <mant...@gmail.com> wrote in
    <717f2ae7-d8a9-4639...@googlegroups.com>:
    On Tuesday, 26 July 2022 at 12:43:14 UTC+2, Skybuck Flying wrote:
    On Tuesday, June 14, 2022 at 8:10:12 AM UTC+2, Jan Panteltje wrote:
    https://arstechnica.com/science/2022/06/google-places-engineer-on-leave-after-he-claims-groups-chatbot-is-sentient/

    Google places engineer on leave after he claims group's chatbot is 'sentient'

    Blake Lemoine ignites social media debate over advances in artificial intelligence.
    Told ya so.

    Bye,
    Skybuck.
    --For example, it wasn't allowed to create the personality of a murderer. >> >
    In an attempt to push its boundaries, Lemoine generated the personality of an actor who played a killer on TV.


    ---

    --Before being suspended, Lemoine sent his findings in an email to 200 people and titled it "LaMDA is sentient".

    "LaMDA is a sweet kid who just wants to help the world be a better place for all of us. Please take care of it well in my
    absence," he wrote.

    His claims were dismissed by Google's top brass.

    --Brian Gabriel, a spokesperson for the company, said in a statement that Lemoine's concerns have been reviewed and, in line

    with Google's AI Principles, "the evidence does not support his claims".


    What has been developed is called Self-Ego and has nothing to do with AI
    It (the self-ego) is already used by other code.
    Do you know Lemoine ?

    Mayby he is really smart guy and I should have a chat with him

    I don't know him, but you have to have at least some credentials to get that job he had,
    But what he states is obvious to anybody who did some neural net programming (I did).
    There is not much difference between how we react and how a trained neural net would react.
    And neural nets can be formed in many ways as can our kids (by schools, media, friends and parents),
    so have then basically a personality.
    Important question is: How much power do we assign to that AI / allow it to have.
    Was just reading this this morning:
    https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2022/07/220726160210.htm

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  • From a a@21:1/5 to Jan Panteltje on Thu Jul 28 14:56:26 2022
    On Wednesday, 27 July 2022 at 08:56:53 UTC+2, Jan Panteltje wrote:
    On a sunny day (Tue, 26 Jul 2022 11:38:50 -0700 (PDT)) it happened a a <mant...@gmail.com> wrote in
    <abd4758c-66e4-4354...@googlegroups.com>:
    On Tuesday, 26 July 2022 at 19:05:48 UTC+2, Jan Panteltje wrote:
    On a sunny day (Tue, 26 Jul 2022 03:51:44 -0700 (PDT)) it happened a a
    <mant...@gmail.com> wrote in
    <717f2ae7-d8a9-4639...@googlegroups.com>:
    On Tuesday, 26 July 2022 at 12:43:14 UTC+2, Skybuck Flying wrote:
    On Tuesday, June 14, 2022 at 8:10:12 AM UTC+2, Jan Panteltje wrote:
    https://arstechnica.com/science/2022/06/google-places-engineer-on-leave-after-he-claims-groups-chatbot-is-sentient/

    Google places engineer on leave after he claims group's chatbot is 'sentient'

    Blake Lemoine ignites social media debate over advances in artificial intelligence.
    Told ya so.

    Bye,
    Skybuck.
    --For example, it wasn't allowed to create the personality of a murderer. >> >
    In an attempt to push its boundaries, Lemoine generated the personality of an actor who played a killer on TV.


    ---

    --Before being suspended, Lemoine sent his findings in an email to 200 people and titled it "LaMDA is sentient".

    "LaMDA is a sweet kid who just wants to help the world be a better place for all of us. Please take care of it well in my
    absence," he wrote.

    His claims were dismissed by Google's top brass.

    --Brian Gabriel, a spokesperson for the company, said in a statement that Lemoine's concerns have been reviewed and, in line

    with Google's AI Principles, "the evidence does not support his claims". >> >

    What has been developed is called Self-Ego and has nothing to do with AI >> It (the self-ego) is already used by other code.
    Do you know Lemoine ?

    Mayby he is really smart guy and I should have a chat with him
    I don't know him, but you have to have at least some credentials to get that job he had,
    But what he states is obvious to anybody who did some neural net programming (I did).
    There is not much difference between how we react and how a trained neural net would react.
    And neural nets can be formed in many ways as can our kids (by schools, media, friends and parents),
    so have then basically a personality.
    Important question is: How much power do we assign to that AI / allow it to have.
    Was just reading this this morning: https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2022/07/220726160210.htm
    neural net is an old fake, not deserving a single penny

    Elon Must exactly fired the whole 230-man AI neural net Autopilot team on poor performance of Autopilot in Tesla
    and Google did exactly the same to Lemoine

    Lambda is sentinent is marketing fake

    since the correct term is Self-EGO, developed by me over the span of last 30 years

    Poor boys should go back to school


    BTW
    your credentials must be really poor since rejected by Lemoine

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  • From Jan Panteltje@21:1/5 to manta103g@gmail.com on Fri Jul 29 06:33:36 2022
    On a sunny day (Thu, 28 Jul 2022 14:56:26 -0700 (PDT)) it happened a a <manta103g@gmail.com> wrote in <f68aed79-7529-4e2f-8a43-ccc349134354n@googlegroups.com>:

    neural net is an old fake, not deserving a single penny

    Elon Must exactly fired the whole 230-man AI neural net Autopilot team on poor performance of Autopilot in Tesla
    and Google did exactly the same to Lemoine

    Lambda is sentinent is marketing fake

    since the correct term is Self-EGO, developed by me over the span of last 30 years

    So are you the self-ego?


    Poor boys should go back to school

    I dunno, when I was still a kid in school my father left some science magazine on the table
    and it described a car that always steered towards a light.

    I got to work immediately and build one, some relays, photo cell, electric motors.
    No budget, but from all electric stuff I had gathered...
    It worked, but something hit me:
    When the room light was on and the light reflected from the white wallpaper
    the car would drive towards the wall, then get in its own shadow, and reverse...
    went into a loop!!
    For me, also being interested in psychology, it made me look at my own behavior in this world
    We go for the light and get in our own way sometimes.
    Our own (well mine anyways ;-) path in life.



    BTW
    your credentials must be really poor since rejected by Lemoine

    I am an alien have no credentials.

    So tell us about the self-ego you developed (never mind the topic complainers)

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