• OT: plug and pray webcam on windows xp

    From Dimiter_Popoff@21:1/5 to All on Fri Jun 10 02:33:43 2022
    A somewhat moronic question but well, perhaps someone has been there
    and done it.
    My old (also external) webcam which I use in order to look at my lab
    when I am not there (USB connected to an old xp laptop) began to lose
    its presence at times (gets back on app restart but well, I need it to
    work when I am not there).
    So I got a new one,
    https://natec-zone.com/product/lori .

    Wasted me a whole day today and no chance for xp to recognize it.
    On the windows 10 laptop it just works; on the xp it stays unrecognized.
    I tried all the obvious, installed various drivers etc., nothing.
    Found a much longer version of upnphosts.dll (something like 300k,
    mine was 182 or so), nothing.
    I guess I'll give up on it and get another but... it does claim to work
    with XP. Haven't tried to talk to the makers, I already wasted enough
    time on that as it is.
    So if by some chance someone knows something I can try - some particular
    driver etc. - please help. I am far from a windows freak, I can manage
    little more than what is obvious to me.
    The windows xp is 32 bit as far as I can tell, the laptop is acer
    extensa 5630Z (has no inbuilt camera, it is > 10 years old and its
    main - if not sole - function is to operate the camera.....).
    I know there are many alternative ways to do it, but it would be
    nice if this thing would eventually work.

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  • From a a@21:1/5 to Dimiter Popoff on Thu Jun 9 16:51:39 2022
    On Friday, 10 June 2022 at 01:33:51 UTC+2, Dimiter Popoff wrote:
    A somewhat moronic question but well, perhaps someone has been there
    and done it.
    My old (also external) webcam which I use in order to look at my lab
    when I am not there (USB connected to an old xp laptop) began to lose
    its presence at times (gets back on app restart but well, I need it to
    work when I am not there).
    So I got a new one,
    https://natec-zone.com/product/lori .

    Wasted me a whole day today and no chance for xp to recognize it.
    On the windows 10 laptop it just works; on the xp it stays unrecognized.
    I tried all the obvious, installed various drivers etc., nothing.
    Found a much longer version of upnphosts.dll (something like 300k,
    mine was 182 or so), nothing.
    I guess I'll give up on it and get another but... it does claim to work
    with XP. Haven't tried to talk to the makers, I already wasted enough
    time on that as it is.
    So if by some chance someone knows something I can try - some particular driver etc. - please help. I am far from a windows freak, I can manage
    little more than what is obvious to me.
    The windows xp is 32 bit as far as I can tell, the laptop is acer
    extensa 5630Z (has no inbuilt camera, it is > 10 years old and its
    main - if not sole - function is to operate the camera.....).
    I know there are many alternative ways to do it, but it would be
    nice if this thing would eventually work.
    your web browser can directly support your usb webcam,
    mine supported 4 usb webcams in Windows XP
    I switched to Win10 to get support for 8 webcams

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  • From a a@21:1/5 to Dimiter Popoff on Thu Jun 9 17:01:43 2022
    On Friday, 10 June 2022 at 01:33:51 UTC+2, Dimiter Popoff wrote:
    A somewhat moronic question but well, perhaps someone has been there
    and done it.
    My old (also external) webcam which I use in order to look at my lab
    when I am not there (USB connected to an old xp laptop) began to lose
    its presence at times (gets back on app restart but well, I need it to
    work when I am not there).
    So I got a new one,
    https://natec-zone.com/product/lori .

    Wasted me a whole day today and no chance for xp to recognize it.
    On the windows 10 laptop it just works; on the xp it stays unrecognized.
    I tried all the obvious, installed various drivers etc., nothing.
    Found a much longer version of upnphosts.dll (something like 300k,
    mine was 182 or so), nothing.
    I guess I'll give up on it and get another but... it does claim to work
    with XP. Haven't tried to talk to the makers, I already wasted enough
    time on that as it is.
    So if by some chance someone knows something I can try - some particular driver etc. - please help. I am far from a windows freak, I can manage
    little more than what is obvious to me.
    The windows xp is 32 bit as far as I can tell, the laptop is acer
    extensa 5630Z (has no inbuilt camera, it is > 10 years old and its
    main - if not sole - function is to operate the camera.....).
    I know there are many alternative ways to do it, but it would be
    nice if this thing would eventually work.
    since your new webcam is full HD
    it may be the case since your usb 2.0 PCI controller can support 2 VGA cameras in parallel

    VGA 640 x 480
    Full HD 1920 x 1080

    1920 x 1080 / 640 x 480 = 6.75

    so if your camera is not coming with built-in video compression, there is a little chance to have usb 2.0 controller to support it

    Try to get usb 3.0 PCI controller

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  • From John Doe@21:1/5 to dp@tgi-sci.com on Fri Jun 10 00:16:07 2022
    Dimiter_Popoff <dp@tgi-sci.com> wrote:

    A somewhat moronic question but well, perhaps someone has been there
    and done it.
    My old (also external) webcam which I use in order to look at my lab
    when I am not there (USB connected to an old xp laptop) began to lose
    its presence at times (gets back on app restart but well, I need it to
    work when I am not there).
    So I got a new one,
    https://natec-zone.com/product/lori .

    Wasted me a whole day today and no chance for xp to recognize it.
    On the windows 10 laptop it just works; on the xp it stays unrecognized.
    I tried all the obvious, installed various drivers etc., nothing.
    Found a much longer version of upnphosts.dll (something like 300k,
    mine was 182 or so), nothing.
    I guess I'll give up on it and get another but... it does claim to work
    with XP. Haven't tried to talk to the makers, I already wasted enough
    time on that as it is.
    So if by some chance someone knows something I can try - some particular driver etc. - please help. I am far from a windows freak, I can manage
    little more than what is obvious to me.
    The windows xp is 32 bit as far as I can tell, the laptop is acer
    extensa 5630Z (has no inbuilt camera, it is > 10 years old and its
    main - if not sole - function is to operate the camera.....).
    I know there are many alternative ways to do it, but it would be
    nice if this thing would eventually work.

    Don't see that WebCam on Amazon...

    Changing Windows' system files is a bad idea. Hopefully you restored the
    prior DLL after the "much longer version" failed. Otherwise, that sort of manipulation could be the problem.

    Just getting Windows XP to recognize it should be easy, assuming it is compatible. Of course you have tried restarting Windows.

    Since the WebCam as a laboratory monitor is the sole use for your laptop, TRY REINSTALLING WINDOWS.

    The first thing I would do is make a copy of Windows, using Macrium Reflect, for troubleshooting.

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  • From John Doe@21:1/5 to John Doe on Fri Jun 10 00:20:59 2022
    Make sure you have installed all of Windows XP's updates, Service Pack 3
    or whatever.

    You can try that before reinstalling Windows, but be sure to apply the
    most recent service pack after reinstalling Windows (and the prior service packs if required, unlikely (but it's been a long time)).





    --

    John Doe wrote:

    Dimiter_Popoff wrote:

    A somewhat moronic question but well, perhaps someone has been there
    and done it. My old (also external) webcam which I use in order to look
    at my lab when I am not there (USB connected to an old xp laptop) began
    to lose its presence at times (gets back on app restart but well, I
    need it to work when I am not there). So I got a new one,
    https://natec-zone.com/product/lori .

    Wasted me a whole day today and no chance for xp to recognize it. On
    the windows 10 laptop it just works; on the xp it stays unrecognized.
    I tried all the obvious, installed various drivers etc., nothing. Found
    a much longer version of upnphosts.dll (something like 300k, mine was
    182 or so), nothing. I guess I'll give up on it and get another but...
    it does claim to work with XP. Haven't tried to talk to the makers, I
    already wasted enough time on that as it is. So if by some chance
    someone knows something I can try - some particular driver etc. -
    please help. I am far from a windows freak, I can manage little more
    than what is obvious to me. The windows xp is 32 bit as far as I can
    tell, the laptop is acer extensa 5630Z (has no inbuilt camera, it is >
    10 years old and its main - if not sole - function is to operate the
    camera.....). I know there are many alternative ways to do it, but it
    would be nice if this thing would eventually work.

    Don't see that WebCam on Amazon...

    Changing Windows' system files is a bad idea. Hopefully you restored the prior DLL after the "much longer version" failed. Otherwise, that sort
    of manipulation could be the problem.

    Just getting Windows XP to recognize it should be easy, assuming it is compatible. Of course you have tried restarting Windows.

    Since the WebCam as a laboratory monitor is the sole use for your
    laptop, TRY REINSTALLING WINDOWS.

    The first thing I would do is make a copy of Windows, using Macrium
    Reflect, for troubleshooting.


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  • From John Doe@21:1/5 to All on Fri Jun 10 03:00:06 2022
    If the old camera not working is a hardware problem, it could as easily be
    the laptop. Maybe to do with the USB.

    Has the old camera been tried on a different computer? That test might take a while.

    Since the new camera works on a Windows 10 PC, then it's probably not the camera.

    I found nothing when searching for that camera plus "Windows XP".

    Reinstall Windows XP.

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  • From DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno@decadenc@21:1/5 to John Dope on Fri Jun 10 04:01:58 2022
    John Dope <always.look@message.header> wrote in news:t7u2pb$3pj$2@dont-email.me:

    Make sure you have installed all of Windows XP's updates, Service
    Pack 3 or whatever.


    "Or whatever"?

    John Dope is an idiot, no or whatevers about it.

    You can try that before reinstalling Windows, but be sure to apply
    the most recent service pack after reinstalling Windows (and the
    prior service packs if required, unlikely (but it's been a long
    time)).

    XP is no longer supported by MicroSoft. Virus updates are still
    happening, but you don't have the big download zone like when it was
    still supported.

    It is no wonder you are unaware of that. You do not make a good XP consultant at all.

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  • From DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno@decadenc@21:1/5 to John Dope on Fri Jun 10 03:58:17 2022
    John Dope <always.look@message.header> wrote in news:t7u2g7$3pj$1@dont-email.me:


    Changing Windows' system files is a bad idea. Hopefully you
    restored the prior DLL after the "much longer version" failed.
    Otherwise, that sort of manipulation could be the problem.


    Wow... you are such an expert. NOT!

    Taking advice from an idiot like you "could be" the problem. Nope,
    it most certainly WOULD BE the problem.

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  • From DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno@decadenc@21:1/5 to All on Fri Jun 10 04:04:08 2022
    First and foremost do not take any advice from John Dope.


    John Dope <always.look@message.header> wrote in >news:t7uc3m$mjh$1@dont-email.me:

    If the old camera not working is a hardware problem, it could as
    easily be the laptop. Maybe to do with the USB.

    Has the old camera been tried on a different computer? That test
    might take a while.

    Since the new camera works on a Windows 10 PC, then it's probably
    not the camera.

    I found nothing when searching for that camera plus "Windows XP".

    Reinstall Windows XP.


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  • From John Doe@21:1/5 to DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno@decadenc on Fri Jun 10 04:28:03 2022
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    Is/would Always Wrong's mother be proud of it being a reactionary
    foulmouthed spewer of nonsense on the Internet? Hope not...

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    Subject: Re: OT: plug and pray webcam on windows xp
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    John Dope <always.look@message.header> wrote in news:t7u2pb$3pj$2@dont-email.me:

    Make sure you have installed all of Windows XP's updates, Service
    Pack 3 or whatever.


    "Or whatever"?

    John Dope is an idiot, no or whatevers about it.

    You can try that before reinstalling Windows, but be sure to apply
    the most recent service pack after reinstalling Windows (and the
    prior service packs if required, unlikely (but it's been a long
    time)).

    XP is no longer supported by MicroSoft. Virus updates are still
    happening, but you don't have the big download zone like when it was
    still supported.

    It is no wonder you are unaware of that. You do not make a good XP consultant at all.



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  • From John Doe@21:1/5 to DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno@decadenc on Fri Jun 10 04:29:17 2022
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    I wonder if Always Wrong's mother is/would be proud
    of it constantly acting like an idiot on the Internet...

    --
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    From: DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno@decadence.org
    Newsgroups: sci.electronics.design
    Subject: Re: OT: plug and pray webcam on windows xp
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    John Dope <always.look@message.header> wrote in news:t7u2g7$3pj$1@dont-email.me:


    Changing Windows' system files is a bad idea. Hopefully you
    restored the prior DLL after the "much longer version" failed.
    Otherwise, that sort of manipulation could be the problem.


    Wow... you are such an expert. NOT!

    Taking advice from an idiot like you "could be" the problem. Nope,
    it most certainly WOULD BE the problem.



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  • From Edward Hernandez@21:1/5 to All on Fri Jun 10 04:32:54 2022
    XPost: free.spam

    Further, Troll Doe stated the following in message-id <svsh05$lbh$5@dont-email.me>
    (http://al.howardknight.net/?ID=164904625100) posted Fri, 4 Mar 2022
    08:01:09 -0000 (UTC):

    Compared to other regulars, Bozo contributes practically nothing
    except insults to this group.

    Yet, since Wed, 5 Jan 2022 04:10:38 -0000 (UTC) Troll Doe's post ratio
    to USENET (**) has been 57.7% of its posts contributing "nothing except insults" to USENET.

    ** Since Wed, 5 Jan 2022 04:10:38 -0000 (UTC) Troll Doe has posted at
    least 1592 articles to USENET. Of which 171 have been pure insults and
    748 have been Troll Doe "troll format" postings.

    The John Doe troll stated the following in message-id <sdhn7c$pkp$4@dont-email.me>:

    The troll doesn't even know how to format a USENET post...

    And the John Doe troll stated the following in message-id <sg3kr7$qt5$1@dont-email.me>:

    The reason Bozo cannot figure out how to get Google to keep from
    breaking its lines in inappropriate places is because Bozo is
    CLUELESS...

    And yet, the clueless John Doe troll has itself posted yet another
    incorrectly formatted USENET posting on Fri, 10 Jun 2022 04:28:03 -0000
    (UTC) in message-id <t7uh8j$10c$5@dont-email.me>.

    JCyNZ8Tc5/mh

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  • From corvid@21:1/5 to All on Thu Jun 9 22:20:53 2022
    John DoPe:
    Dimiter_Popoff <dp@tgi-sci.com> wrote:

    Wasted me a whole day today and no chance for xp to recognize it.
    On the windows 10 laptop it just works; on the xp it stays
    unrecognized. I tried all the obvious, installed various drivers
    etc., nothing. Found a much longer version of upnphosts.dll
    (something like 300k, mine was 182 or so), nothing.

    Changing Windows' system files is a bad idea. Hopefully you restored
    the prior DLL after the "much longer version" failed. Otherwise, that
    sort of manipulation could be the problem.

    No, it's a good idea. Software makers often enough include their own
    versions of dlls, using the same name as everyone else's version, with
    no concern about breaking another program that was already there before
    its dll got overwritten.

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  • From John Doe@21:1/5 to Edward Hernandez on Fri Jun 10 06:47:32 2022
    XPost: free.spam

    Eddie, the porn-sucking retarded forger is flagging every off-topic post
    with its flawed copy of my ID.

    Eddie has never posted anything NORMAL except when it got a spanking...

    https://groups.google.com/g/sci.electronics.repair/c/MesPLcGU4BE

    See also...
    John Doe <always.look_message.header> (Astraweb, Aioe.org)
    Peter Weiner <dtgamer99_gmail.com>
    Edward H. <dtgamer99_gmail.com>
    Edward Hernandez <dtgamer99_gmail.com>

    Eddie is an example for all newbies. Don't get spanked!

    Spanked Eddie...

    --
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    Further, Troll Doe stated the following in message-id <svsh05$lbh$5@dont-email.me>
    (http://al.howardknight.net/?ID=164904625100) posted Fri, 4 Mar 2022
    08:01:09 -0000 (UTC):

    Compared to other regulars, Bozo contributes practically nothing
    except insults to this group.

    Yet, since Wed, 5 Jan 2022 04:10:38 -0000 (UTC) Troll Doe's post ratio
    to USENET (**) has been 57.7% of its posts contributing "nothing except insults" to USENET.

    ** Since Wed, 5 Jan 2022 04:10:38 -0000 (UTC) Troll Doe has posted at
    least 1592 articles to USENET. Of which 171 have been pure insults and
    748 have been Troll Doe "troll format" postings.

    The John Doe troll stated the following in message-id <sdhn7c$pkp$4@dont-email.me>:

    The troll doesn't even know how to format a USENET post...

    And the John Doe troll stated the following in message-id <sg3kr7$qt5$1@dont-email.me>:

    The reason Bozo cannot figure out how to get Google to keep from
    breaking its lines in inappropriate places is because Bozo is
    CLUELESS...

    And yet, the clueless John Doe troll has itself posted yet another incorrectly formatted USENET posting on Fri, 10 Jun 2022 04:28:03 -0000
    (UTC) in message-id <t7uh8j$10c$5@dont-email.me>.

    JCyNZ8Tc5/mh




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  • From Edward Hernandez@21:1/5 to All on Fri Jun 10 06:52:06 2022
    XPost: free.spam

    Further, John Doe stated the following in message-id <svsh05$lbh$5@dont-email.me>
    (http://al.howardknight.net/?ID=164904625100) posted Fri, 4 Mar 2022
    08:01:09 -0000 (UTC):

    Compared to other regulars, Bozo contributes practically nothing
    except insults to this group.

    Yet, since Wed, 5 Jan 2022 04:10:38 -0000 (UTC) John Doe's post ratio to
    USENET (**) has been 57.8% of its posts contributing "nothing except
    insults" to USENET.

    ** Since Wed, 5 Jan 2022 04:10:38 -0000 (UTC) John Doe has posted at
    least 1596 articles to USENET. Of which 171 have been pure insults and
    752 have been John Doe "troll format" postings.

    The Troll Doe stated the following in message-id
    <sdhn7c$pkp$4@dont-email.me>:

    The troll doesn't even know how to format a USENET post...

    And the Troll Doe stated the following in message-id <sg3kr7$qt5$1@dont-email.me>:

    The reason Bozo cannot figure out how to get Google to keep from
    breaking its lines in inappropriate places is because Bozo is
    CLUELESS...

    And yet, the clueless Troll Doe has itself posted yet another
    incorrectly formatted USENET posting on Fri, 10 Jun 2022 06:47:32 -0000
    (UTC) in message-id <t7upe4$1t0$2@dont-email.me>.

    This posting is a public service announcement for any google groups
    readers who happen by to point out that John Dope does not even follow
    the rules it uses to troll other posters.

    wXigZ5RtP1Oq

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  • From John Doe@21:1/5 to corvid on Fri Jun 10 06:59:51 2022
    XPost: free.spam

    This ignorant nym-shifting troll is unaware of the fact programmers and
    gamers use PCs in low light, now pretending like it knows something about Windows' system files.

    It's not even a logical argument... "Programmers replace Windows' DLLs
    without good cause, therefore unskilled Windows users should replace
    Windows DLLs without good cause." (paraphrased)

    Regularly proving why it must nym-shift...

    see also...
    =?UTF-8?Q?C=c3=b6rvid?= <bl_ckbirds.org> =?UTF-8?B?8J+QriBDb3dzIGFyZSBOaWNlIPCfkK4=?= <nice_cows.moo>
    Banders <snap_mailchute.com>
    Covid-19 <always.look_message.header>
    corvid <bl_ckb.ird>
    Corvid <bl_ckbirds.net>
    Corvid <bl_ckbirds.org>
    Cows Are Nice <cows_nice.moo>
    Cows are nice <moo_cows.org>
    Cows are Nice <nice_cows.moo>
    dogs <dogs_home.com>
    Great Pumpkin <pumpkin_patch.net>
    Jose Curvo <jcurvo_mymail.com>
    Local Favorite <how2recycle_palomar.info>
    Sea <freshness_coast.org>
    Standard Poodle <standard_poodle.com>
    triangles <build_home.com>
    and others...

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    Subject: Re: OT: plug and pray webcam on windows xp
    Date: Thu, 9 Jun 2022 22:20:53 -0700
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    John DoPe:
    Dimiter_Popoff <dp@tgi-sci.com> wrote:

    Wasted me a whole day today and no chance for xp to recognize it.
    On the windows 10 laptop it just works; on the xp it stays
    unrecognized. I tried all the obvious, installed various drivers
    etc., nothing. Found a much longer version of upnphosts.dll
    (something like 300k, mine was 182 or so), nothing.

    Changing Windows' system files is a bad idea. Hopefully you restored
    the prior DLL after the "much longer version" failed. Otherwise, that
    sort of manipulation could be the problem.

    No, it's a good idea. Software makers often enough include their own
    versions of dlls, using the same name as everyone else's version, with
    no concern about breaking another program that was already there before
    its dll got overwritten.



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  • From Edward Hernandez@21:1/5 to All on Fri Jun 10 07:00:32 2022
    XPost: free.spam

    Further, John Dope stated the following in message-id <svsh05$lbh$5@dont-email.me>
    (http://al.howardknight.net/?ID=164904625100) posted Fri, 4 Mar 2022
    08:01:09 -0000 (UTC):

    Compared to other regulars, Bozo contributes practically nothing
    except insults to this group.

    Yet, since Wed, 5 Jan 2022 04:10:38 -0000 (UTC) John Dope's post ratio
    to USENET (**) has been 57.9% of its posts contributing "nothing except insults" to USENET.

    ** Since Wed, 5 Jan 2022 04:10:38 -0000 (UTC) John Dope has posted at
    least 1597 articles to USENET. Of which 171 have been pure insults and
    753 have been John Dope "troll format" postings.

    The John Dope troll stated the following in message-id <sdhn7c$pkp$4@dont-email.me>:

    The troll doesn't even know how to format a USENET post...

    And the John Dope troll stated the following in message-id <sg3kr7$qt5$1@dont-email.me>:

    The reason Bozo cannot figure out how to get Google to keep from
    breaking its lines in inappropriate places is because Bozo is
    CLUELESS...

    And yet, the clueless John Dope troll has itself posted yet another
    incorrectly formatted USENET posting on Fri, 10 Jun 2022 06:59:51 -0000
    (UTC) in message-id <t7uq57$1t0$4@dont-email.me>.

    This posting is a public service announcement for any google groups
    readers who happen by to point out that John Dope does not even follow
    the rules it uses to troll other posters.

    hAaUx6I91uJI

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  • From Edward Hernandez@21:1/5 to All on Fri Jun 10 07:03:49 2022
    XPost: free.spam

    Further, Troll Doe stated the following in message-id <svsh05$lbh$5@dont-email.me>
    (http://al.howardknight.net/?ID=164904625100) posted Fri, 4 Mar 2022
    08:01:09 -0000 (UTC):

    Compared to other regulars, Bozo contributes practically nothing
    except insults to this group.

    Yet, since Wed, 5 Jan 2022 04:10:38 -0000 (UTC) Troll Doe's post ratio
    to USENET (**) has been 57.9% of its posts contributing "nothing except insults" to USENET.

    ** Since Wed, 5 Jan 2022 04:10:38 -0000 (UTC) Troll Doe has posted at
    least 1598 articles to USENET. Of which 171 have been pure insults and
    754 have been Troll Doe "troll format" postings.

    The John Doe troll stated the following in message-id <sdhn7c$pkp$4@dont-email.me>:

    The troll doesn't even know how to format a USENET post...

    And the John Doe troll stated the following in message-id <sg3kr7$qt5$1@dont-email.me>:

    The reason Bozo cannot figure out how to get Google to keep from
    breaking its lines in inappropriate places is because Bozo is
    CLUELESS...

    And yet, the clueless John Doe troll has continued to post incorrectly formatted USENET articles that are devoid of content (latest example on
    Fri, 10 Jun 2022 07:02:21 -0000 (UTC) in message-id <t7uq9s$1t0$5@dont-email.me>).

    NOBODY likes the John Doe troll's contentless spam.

    This posting is a public service announcement for any google groups
    readers who happen by to point out that Troll Doe does not even follow
    the rules it uses to troll other posters.

    Umn9YC+h6i9P

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  • From Charlie+@21:1/5 to All on Fri Jun 10 07:19:07 2022
    On Fri, 10 Jun 2022 02:33:43 +0300, Dimiter_Popoff <dp@tgi-sci.com>
    wrote as underneath :

    snip
    Why not ask in an appropriate ng?
    microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
    Still active - you might get some sensible answers there! C+

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  • From corvid@21:1/5 to All on Fri Jun 10 06:17:57 2022
    John DoPe:
    This ignorant nym-shifting troll is unaware of the fact programmers
    and gamers use PCs in low light,

    Maybe I was unaware that Wintendo fanbois use PCs in rough-framed attics.

    now pretending like it knows something about Windows' system files.

    I was hex-editing win95 system files 25 years ago. You, a mere handful
    of years back, asked in the Win10 group if you were *allowed* to install
    an older Win10 that didn't have the latest update!

    It's not even a logical argument... "Programmers replace Windows'
    DLLs without good cause,

    I once had to choose between Windows programs because each wiped out the competitor, couldn't have both installed on the same machine.

    therefore unskilled Windows users should replace Windows DLLs
    without good cause." (paraphrased)

    Dope! There's no way to know if a dud dll is one from Microsoft, or
    if it came from somewhere else.

    When Adobe's newest Flash plugin failed to support non-SSE2 Athlon CPUs,
    I learned which version of Google's Chrome had the last working libflashplayer.so, installed it, grabbed the file for Firefox, then
    dumped Chrome.

    You're so timid, and under Microsoft's thumb, you're afraid to explore possibilities all by yourself.

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  • From Don Y@21:1/5 to All on Fri Jun 10 07:15:25 2022
    On 6/9/2022 4:33 PM, Dimiter_Popoff wrote:
    A somewhat moronic question but well, perhaps someone has been there
    and done it.
    My old (also external) webcam which I use in order to look at my lab
    when I am not there (USB connected to an old xp laptop) began to lose
    its presence at times (gets back on app restart but well, I need it to
    work when I am not there).
    So I got a new one,
    https://natec-zone.com/product/lori .

    The old one is malfunctioning? And, it's not caused by software rot?
    (i.e., have you tried it on a clean install of XP -- saving your
    current disk so you can return to that point, later)

    Presumably, no option to purchase an identical replacement
    (eBay/used)? I.e., did you buy something different because
    you wanted to "upgrade" -- or, because you had no choice in
    the matter?

    Wasted me a whole day today and no chance for xp to recognize it.
    On the windows 10 laptop it just works; on the xp it stays unrecognized.
    I tried all the obvious, installed various drivers etc., nothing.
    Found a much longer version of upnphosts.dll (something like 300k,
    mine was 182 or so), nothing.
    I guess I'll give up on it and get another but... it does claim to work
    with XP. Haven't tried to talk to the makers, I already wasted enough
    time on that as it is.

    You can "ask" (XP) what the "Hardware IDs" are for the "unrecognized"
    device as well as the old, recognized camera. You can then, possibly,
    trick XP into using an existing driver (one that *it* knows about and is known to work with it) for the new camera -- possibly requiring an edit of
    a .INF file, somewhere, to add an entry for that hardware ID.

    [I'm presently in this boat with a USB3 hub; original model works fine,
    new iteration of the same model is not bound to the USB3 driver -- so,
    runs at USB2 speeds]

    So if by some chance someone knows something I can try - some particular driver etc. - please help. I am far from a windows freak, I can manage
    little more than what is obvious to me.

    Another option is to run Linux on that machine -- dual boot for
    the times when you need the camera to be "available"

    The windows xp is 32 bit as far as I can tell, the laptop is acer
    extensa 5630Z (has no inbuilt camera, it is > 10 years old and its
    main - if not sole - function is to operate the camera.....).
    I know there are many alternative ways to do it, but it would be
    nice if this thing would eventually work.

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  • From Dimiter_Popoff@21:1/5 to All on Fri Jun 10 17:31:38 2022
    On 6/10/2022 9:19, Charlie+ wrote:
    On Fri, 10 Jun 2022 02:33:43 +0300, Dimiter_Popoff <dp@tgi-sci.com>
    wrote as underneath :

    snip
    Why not ask in an appropriate ng?
    microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
    Still active - you might get some sensible answers there! C+

    Oh I have seen answers on such groups and they are 100% useless,
    of the kind unplug it and plug it again etc.

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  • From Dimiter_Popoff@21:1/5 to Don Y on Fri Jun 10 17:39:35 2022
    On 6/10/2022 17:15, Don Y wrote:
    On 6/9/2022 4:33 PM, Dimiter_Popoff wrote:
    A somewhat moronic question but well, perhaps someone has been there
    and done it.
    My old (also external) webcam which I use in order to look at my lab
    when I am not there (USB connected to an old xp laptop) began to lose
    its presence at times (gets back on app restart but well, I need it to
    work when I am not there).
    So I got a new one,
    https://natec-zone.com/product/lori .

    The old one is malfunctioning?  And, it's not caused by software rot?
    (i.e., have you tried it on a clean install of XP -- saving your
    current disk so you can return to that point, later)

    Presumably, no option to purchase an identical replacement
    (eBay/used)?  I.e., did you buy something different because
    you wanted to "upgrade" -- or, because you had no choice in
    the matter?

    Of course there are plenty of options. I got greedy seeing this one
    was 1080p and got it (the rest are 640x480, like the old one).


    Wasted me a whole day today and no chance for xp to recognize it.
    On the windows 10 laptop it just works; on the xp it stays unrecognized.
    I tried all the obvious, installed various drivers etc., nothing.
    Found a much longer version of upnphosts.dll (something like 300k,
    mine was 182 or so), nothing.
    I guess I'll give up on it and get another but... it does claim to work
    with XP. Haven't tried to talk to the makers, I already wasted enough
    time on that as it is.

    You can "ask" (XP) what the "Hardware IDs" are for the "unrecognized"
    device as well as the old, recognized camera.  You can then, possibly,
    trick XP into using an existing driver (one that *it* knows about and is known
    to work with it) for the new camera -- possibly requiring an edit of
    a .INF file, somewhere, to add an entry for that hardware ID.

    Never looked into a .inf file, will try this.
    The new camera on XP is seen as "unknown device", USB\VID_0000&PID_0000\5&142FC231&0&3
    On windows 10 it is seen as
    USB\VID_058F&PID_3861&REV_0001&MI_00
    USB\VID_058F&PID_3861&MI_00


    [I'm presently in this boat with a USB3 hub; original model works fine,
    new iteration of the same model is not bound to the USB3 driver -- so,
    runs at USB2 speeds]

    So if by some chance someone knows something I can try - some particular
    driver etc. - please help. I am far from a windows freak, I can manage
    little more than what is obvious to me.

    Another option is to run Linux on that machine -- dual boot for
    the times when you need the camera to be "available"

    That would be more hassle than I am inclined to settle for.
    Then the old camera is not hanging while I am out (but invariably
    hangs the *first* time I start "timershot" with plenty of disk
    activity, after I kill it and restart it it works.... may be
    not the camera's fault at all, likely so really now after I saw
    it happen in front of me).

    Anyway, I'll look if I can guess something around these .inf
    files one of these days - unless I abandon that camera completely,
    as things are looking at the moment.

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  • From Martin Brown@21:1/5 to All on Fri Jun 10 15:48:28 2022
    On 10/06/2022 00:33, Dimiter_Popoff wrote:
    A somewhat moronic question but well, perhaps someone has been there
    and done it.
    My old (also external) webcam which I use in order to look at my lab
    when I am not there (USB connected to an old xp laptop) began to lose
    its presence at times (gets back on app restart but well, I need it to
    work when I am not there).
    So I got a new one,
    https://natec-zone.com/product/lori .

    Wasted me a whole day today and no chance for xp to recognize it.
    On the windows 10 laptop it just works; on the xp it stays unrecognized.

    You could ask the Win10 machine to identify the chipset and drivers.
    I tried all the obvious, installed various drivers etc., nothing.
    Found a much longer version of upnphosts.dll (something like 300k,
    mine was 182 or so), nothing.
    I guess I'll give up on it and get another but... it does claim to work
    with XP. Haven't tried to talk to the makers, I already wasted enough
    time on that as it is.

    Your best bet is a crude second hand or remaindered webcam with
    contemporaneous official XP drivers. The newest drivers may make
    assumptions about what x86 SIMD extended instructions are available.

    So if by some chance someone knows something I can try - some particular driver etc. - please help. I am far from a windows freak, I can manage
    little more than what is obvious to me.
    The windows xp is 32 bit as far as I can tell, the laptop is acer
    extensa 5630Z (has no inbuilt camera, it is > 10 years old and its
    main - if not sole - function is to operate the camera.....).
    I know there are many alternative ways to do it, but it would be
    nice if this thing would eventually work.

    I'd try another dirt cheap webcam out of your junk box instead.
    (or cadge a redundant one off someone who has upgraded theirs)

    --
    Regards,
    Martin Brown

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  • From Don Y@21:1/5 to All on Fri Jun 10 12:29:10 2022
    On 6/10/2022 7:39 AM, Dimiter_Popoff wrote:
    On 6/10/2022 17:15, Don Y wrote:
    On 6/9/2022 4:33 PM, Dimiter_Popoff wrote:
    A somewhat moronic question but well, perhaps someone has been there
    and done it.
    My old (also external) webcam which I use in order to look at my lab
    when I am not there (USB connected to an old xp laptop) began to lose
    its presence at times (gets back on app restart but well, I need it to
    work when I am not there).
    So I got a new one,
    https://natec-zone.com/product/lori .

    The old one is malfunctioning? And, it's not caused by software rot?
    (i.e., have you tried it on a clean install of XP -- saving your
    current disk so you can return to that point, later)

    Presumably, no option to purchase an identical replacement
    (eBay/used)? I.e., did you buy something different because
    you wanted to "upgrade" -- or, because you had no choice in
    the matter?

    Of course there are plenty of options. I got greedy seeing this one
    was 1080p and got it (the rest are 640x480, like the old one).

    Ah, that may be the kiss of death as lower resolution was more
    typical for old offerings. I'm not sure folks build drivers
    that adapt to the capabilities of the camera...

    Wasted me a whole day today and no chance for xp to recognize it.
    On the windows 10 laptop it just works; on the xp it stays unrecognized. >>> I tried all the obvious, installed various drivers etc., nothing.
    Found a much longer version of upnphosts.dll (something like 300k,
    mine was 182 or so), nothing.
    I guess I'll give up on it and get another but... it does claim to work
    with XP. Haven't tried to talk to the makers, I already wasted enough
    time on that as it is.

    You can "ask" (XP) what the "Hardware IDs" are for the "unrecognized"
    device as well as the old, recognized camera. You can then, possibly,
    trick XP into using an existing driver (one that *it* knows about and is known
    to work with it) for the new camera -- possibly requiring an edit of
    a .INF file, somewhere, to add an entry for that hardware ID.

    Never looked into a .inf file, will try this.

    You can get the device IDs for the old camera and grep *.inf for any
    mention of them. It will declare which files/DLLs to bind to the device
    during the probe().

    [You can see which driver file is bound to it by examining the properties
    of the old camera "device"]

    The new camera on XP is seen as "unknown device", USB\VID_0000&PID_0000\5&142FC231&0&3
    On windows 10 it is seen as
    USB\VID_058F&PID_3861&REV_0001&MI_00
    USB\VID_058F&PID_3861&MI_00

    VID = vendor identification. Somewhere, there's a master catalog of
    these ("8086" is intel).
    PID is product identification. This is a vendor-specific designation
    of the particular device/model.

    After an "insertion event", windows goes looking through its set of
    INF files to see if it can find any information about that particular device. If so, it activates the named files, updates registry entries, etc.
    Then, announces the device as ready for use.

    [I'm presently in this boat with a USB3 hub; original model works fine,
    new iteration of the same model is not bound to the USB3 driver -- so,
    runs at USB2 speeds]

    So if by some chance someone knows something I can try - some particular >>> driver etc. - please help. I am far from a windows freak, I can manage
    little more than what is obvious to me.

    Another option is to run Linux on that machine -- dual boot for
    the times when you need the camera to be "available"

    That would be more hassle than I am inclined to settle for.

    Understandable. A big advantage of Linux is that you can HOPE
    that someone previously had your camera (or other device)
    and figured out how to recognize it and use it.

    And, the interface from the driver to the system can keep
    that device usable long after MS (or the vendor) has decided
    they want to support it.

    I'm building a new XP laptop to support my video digitizing
    hardware/software as W7 doesn't recognize the hardware nor support
    the software.

    Similarly, I have some of my older film scanners wired to NetBSD
    boxen as the software doesn't run on W7 (but I can get that
    functionality using other tools supported by NetBSD).

    Then the old camera is not hanging while I am out (but invariably
    hangs the *first* time I start "timershot" with plenty of disk
    activity, after I kill it and restart it it works.... may be
    not the camera's fault at all, likely so really now after I saw
    it happen in front of me).

    If reverting to a pristine Windows image was easy (I save an
    image of each machine just after "building" it), I'd suggest
    that, just in case something mucked with <something> that the
    camera needed.

    An XP VM would be another alternative. But, each of these
    approaches mean you have to have made an investment, previously.

    [But, a clean install, from scratch, is often too painful to
    incur for all but the really important things!]

    Anyway, I'll look if I can guess something around these .inf
    files one of these days - unless I abandon that camera completely,
    as things are looking at the moment.

    Another option might be to use an IP camera?

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  • From Dimiter_Popoff@21:1/5 to Don Y on Fri Jun 10 23:42:28 2022
    On 6/10/2022 22:29, Don Y wrote:
    On 6/10/2022 7:39 AM, Dimiter_Popoff wrote:
    On 6/10/2022 17:15, Don Y wrote:
    On 6/9/2022 4:33 PM, Dimiter_Popoff wrote:
    A somewhat moronic question but well, perhaps someone has been there
    and done it.
    My old (also external) webcam which I use in order to look at my lab
    when I am not there (USB connected to an old xp laptop) began to lose
    its presence at times (gets back on app restart but well, I need it to >>>> work when I am not there).
    So I got a new one,
    https://natec-zone.com/product/lori .

    The old one is malfunctioning?  And, it's not caused by software rot?
    (i.e., have you tried it on a clean install of XP -- saving your
    current disk so you can return to that point, later)

    Presumably, no option to purchase an identical replacement
    (eBay/used)?  I.e., did you buy something different because
    you wanted to "upgrade" -- or, because you had no choice in
    the matter?

    Of course there are plenty of options. I got greedy seeing this one
    was 1080p and got it (the rest are 640x480, like the old one).

    Ah, that may be the kiss of death as lower resolution was more
    typical for old offerings.  I'm not sure folks build drivers
    that adapt to the capabilities of the camera...

    I started to think that way, too. In fact one of the suspicions is that
    because the laptop has only a 1280x800 TFT display windows decides
    a 1920x1080 camera would be too much and declines to recognize it
    at all to save calls, hassle etc. I have tried this laptop with
    the TV-set at 1920x1080 but many years ago, won't go through this
    now. I just leave that camera for my own future USB exercises...


    Wasted me a whole day today and no chance for xp to recognize it.
    On the windows 10 laptop it just works; on the xp it stays
    unrecognized.
    I tried all the obvious, installed various drivers etc., nothing.
    Found a much longer version of upnphosts.dll (something like 300k,
    mine was 182 or so), nothing.
    I guess I'll give up on it and get another but... it does claim to work >>>> with XP. Haven't tried to talk to the makers, I already wasted enough
    time on that as it is.

    You can "ask" (XP) what the "Hardware IDs" are for the "unrecognized"
    device as well as the old, recognized camera.  You can then, possibly,
    trick XP into using an existing driver (one that *it* knows about and
    is known
    to work with it) for the new camera -- possibly requiring an edit of
    a .INF file, somewhere, to add an entry for that hardware ID.

    Never looked into a .inf file, will try this.

    You can get the device IDs for the old camera and grep *.inf for any
    mention of them.  It will declare which files/DLLs to bind to the device during the probe().

    [You can see which driver file is bound to it by examining the properties
    of the old camera "device"]

    The new camera on XP is seen as "unknown device",
    USB\VID_0000&PID_0000\5&142FC231&0&3
    On windows 10 it is seen as
    USB\VID_058F&PID_3861&REV_0001&MI_00
    USB\VID_058F&PID_3861&MI_00

    VID = vendor identification.  Somewhere, there's a master catalog of
    these ("8086" is intel).
    PID is product identification.  This is a vendor-specific designation
    of the particular device/model. >
    After an "insertion event", windows goes looking through its set of
    INF files to see if it can find any information about that particular
    device.
    If so, it activates the named files, updates registry entries, etc.
    Then, announces the device as ready for use.

    Where does the 0000 comes from? Does windows set it like this because
    it read something it did not like or what? (answer that only if you
    have it ready, I am not dealing with the camera any more).


    [I'm presently in this boat with a USB3 hub; original model works fine,
    new iteration of the same model is not bound to the USB3 driver -- so,
    runs at USB2 speeds]

    So if by some chance someone knows something I can try - some
    particular
    driver etc. - please help. I am far from a windows freak, I can manage >>>> little more than what is obvious to me.

    Another option is to run Linux on that machine -- dual boot for
    the times when you need the camera to be "available"

    That would be more hassle than I am inclined to settle for.

    Understandable.  A big advantage of Linux is that you can HOPE
    that someone previously had your camera (or other device)
    and figured out how to recognize it and use it.

    Many years ago (10?) I had made this laptop (the xp) dual-boot,
    had some ubuntu as a choice next to its xp. Good thing I knew to
    be cautious writing to sector 0 (all these years doing it for dps during/causing innumerable disasters) so I had saved it
    beforehand, had learned how to use dd for the purpose and used
    a linux CD to boot from.... had to restore it a few times before things eventually worked.


    And, the interface from the driver to the system can keep
    that device usable long after MS (or the vendor) has decided
    they want to support it.

    I'm building a new XP laptop to support my video digitizing
    hardware/software as W7 doesn't recognize the hardware nor support
    the software.

    Similarly, I have some of my older film scanners wired to NetBSD
    boxen as the software doesn't run on W7 (but I can get that
    functionality using other tools supported by NetBSD).

    Then the old camera is not hanging while I am out (but invariably
    hangs the *first* time I start "timershot" with plenty of disk
    activity, after I kill it and restart it it works.... may be
    not the camera's fault at all, likely so really now after I saw
    it happen in front of me).

    If reverting to a pristine Windows image was easy (I save an
    image of each machine just after "building" it), I'd suggest
    that, just in case something mucked with <something> that the
    camera needed.

    An XP VM would be another alternative.  But, each of these
    approaches mean you have to have made an investment, previously.

    Oh I could install windows 10 on this laptop or whatever but no,
    I am done with this camera now. I have a VM on the windows 10
    laptop, vmware something, worked initially for what I wanted it,
    then after a few windows updates the function I was interested in
    stopped (on an emulated xp machine). Was easier to keep using the
    xp laptop for that (needed once a year or so) than to start digging
    to fix it.

    [But, a clean install, from scratch, is often too painful to
    incur for all but the really important things!]

    Anyway, I'll look if I can guess something around these .inf
    files one of these days - unless I abandon that camera completely,
    as things are looking at the moment.

    Another option might be to use an IP camera?

    Of course it is an option. I first started using this laptop with
    a camera in early 2015 (had to visit Lucy at a hospital, that was
    before the really serious thing). I had to leave the house unattended
    and all I had was this 640x480 webcam. So I found something called
    "timershot", made it take a shot often enough, store as jpeg to disk
    and I looked at it via ftp with my phone... Now I can still do that
    but I did a script for my dps machine which ftp-s the shot from
    the laptop (on the same LAN) then ftp-s it to an unlinked directory
    in my website domain - so I can just refresh a browser to see it.
    Like everything else in (my?) life things just happen on the go...

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  • From DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno@decadenc@21:1/5 to John Dope on Fri Jun 10 23:04:24 2022
    John Dope <always.look@message.header> wrote in news:t7uq57$1t0$4@dont-email.me:

    Subject: Re: OT: plug and pray webcam on windows xp
    From: John Dope <always.look@message.header>
    Newsgroups: sci.electronics.design,free.spam

    This ignorant nym-shifting troll is unaware of the fact
    programmers and gamers use PCs in low light, now pretending like
    it knows something about Windows' system files.

    It's not even a logical argument... "Programmers replace Windows'
    DLLs without good cause, therefore unskilled Windows users should
    replace Windows DLLs without good cause." (paraphrased)

    Regularly proving why it must nym-shift...

    Those were the xp days. Can't do that with the newer OS releases.

    Not that you would have any clue one way or the other.

    Stop adding retarded follow-up groups, you pussified jackass.

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  • From a a@21:1/5 to Dimiter Popoff on Fri Jun 10 16:34:50 2022
    On Friday, 10 June 2022 at 22:42:36 UTC+2, Dimiter Popoff wrote:
    On 6/10/2022 22:29, Don Y wrote:
    On 6/10/2022 7:39 AM, Dimiter_Popoff wrote:
    On 6/10/2022 17:15, Don Y wrote:
    On 6/9/2022 4:33 PM, Dimiter_Popoff wrote:
    A somewhat moronic question but well, perhaps someone has been there >>>> and done it.
    My old (also external) webcam which I use in order to look at my lab >>>> when I am not there (USB connected to an old xp laptop) began to lose >>>> its presence at times (gets back on app restart but well, I need it to >>>> work when I am not there).
    So I got a new one,
    https://natec-zone.com/product/lori .

    The old one is malfunctioning? And, it's not caused by software rot?
    (i.e., have you tried it on a clean install of XP -- saving your
    current disk so you can return to that point, later)

    Presumably, no option to purchase an identical replacement
    (eBay/used)? I.e., did you buy something different because
    you wanted to "upgrade" -- or, because you had no choice in
    the matter?

    Of course there are plenty of options. I got greedy seeing this one
    was 1080p and got it (the rest are 640x480, like the old one).

    Ah, that may be the kiss of death as lower resolution was more
    typical for old offerings. I'm not sure folks build drivers
    that adapt to the capabilities of the camera...
    I started to think that way, too. In fact one of the suspicions is that because the laptop has only a 1280x800 TFT display windows decides
    a 1920x1080 camera would be too much and declines to recognize it
    at all to save calls, hassle etc. I have tried this laptop with
    the TV-set at 1920x1080 but many years ago, won't go through this
    now. I just leave that camera for my own future USB exercises...

    Wasted me a whole day today and no chance for xp to recognize it.
    On the windows 10 laptop it just works; on the xp it stays
    unrecognized.
    I tried all the obvious, installed various drivers etc., nothing.
    Found a much longer version of upnphosts.dll (something like 300k,
    mine was 182 or so), nothing.
    I guess I'll give up on it and get another but... it does claim to work >>>> with XP. Haven't tried to talk to the makers, I already wasted enough >>>> time on that as it is.

    You can "ask" (XP) what the "Hardware IDs" are for the "unrecognized"
    device as well as the old, recognized camera. You can then, possibly, >>> trick XP into using an existing driver (one that *it* knows about and
    is known
    to work with it) for the new camera -- possibly requiring an edit of
    a .INF file, somewhere, to add an entry for that hardware ID.

    Never looked into a .inf file, will try this.

    You can get the device IDs for the old camera and grep *.inf for any mention of them. It will declare which files/DLLs to bind to the device during the probe().

    [You can see which driver file is bound to it by examining the properties of the old camera "device"]

    The new camera on XP is seen as "unknown device",
    USB\VID_0000&PID_0000\5&142FC231&0&3
    On windows 10 it is seen as
    USB\VID_058F&PID_3861&REV_0001&MI_00
    USB\VID_058F&PID_3861&MI_00

    VID = vendor identification. Somewhere, there's a master catalog of
    these ("8086" is intel).
    PID is product identification. This is a vendor-specific designation
    of the particular device/model. >
    After an "insertion event", windows goes looking through its set of
    INF files to see if it can find any information about that particular device.
    If so, it activates the named files, updates registry entries, etc.
    Then, announces the device as ready for use.
    Where does the 0000 comes from? Does windows set it like this because
    it read something it did not like or what? (answer that only if you
    have it ready, I am not dealing with the camera any more).

    [I'm presently in this boat with a USB3 hub; original model works fine, >>> new iteration of the same model is not bound to the USB3 driver -- so, >>> runs at USB2 speeds]

    So if by some chance someone knows something I can try - some
    particular
    driver etc. - please help. I am far from a windows freak, I can manage >>>> little more than what is obvious to me.

    Another option is to run Linux on that machine -- dual boot for
    the times when you need the camera to be "available"

    That would be more hassle than I am inclined to settle for.

    Understandable. A big advantage of Linux is that you can HOPE
    that someone previously had your camera (or other device)
    and figured out how to recognize it and use it.
    Many years ago (10?) I had made this laptop (the xp) dual-boot,
    had some ubuntu as a choice next to its xp. Good thing I knew to
    be cautious writing to sector 0 (all these years doing it for dps during/causing innumerable disasters) so I had saved it
    beforehand, had learned how to use dd for the purpose and used
    a linux CD to boot from.... had to restore it a few times before things eventually worked.

    And, the interface from the driver to the system can keep
    that device usable long after MS (or the vendor) has decided
    they want to support it.

    I'm building a new XP laptop to support my video digitizing hardware/software as W7 doesn't recognize the hardware nor support
    the software.

    Similarly, I have some of my older film scanners wired to NetBSD
    boxen as the software doesn't run on W7 (but I can get that
    functionality using other tools supported by NetBSD).

    Then the old camera is not hanging while I am out (but invariably
    hangs the *first* time I start "timershot" with plenty of disk
    activity, after I kill it and restart it it works.... may be
    not the camera's fault at all, likely so really now after I saw
    it happen in front of me).

    If reverting to a pristine Windows image was easy (I save an
    image of each machine just after "building" it), I'd suggest
    that, just in case something mucked with <something> that the
    camera needed.

    An XP VM would be another alternative. But, each of these
    approaches mean you have to have made an investment, previously.
    Oh I could install windows 10 on this laptop or whatever but no,
    I am done with this camera now. I have a VM on the windows 10
    laptop, vmware something, worked initially for what I wanted it,
    then after a few windows updates the function I was interested in
    stopped (on an emulated xp machine). Was easier to keep using the
    xp laptop for that (needed once a year or so) than to start digging
    to fix it.

    [But, a clean install, from scratch, is often too painful to
    incur for all but the really important things!]

    Anyway, I'll look if I can guess something around these .inf
    files one of these days - unless I abandon that camera completely,
    as things are looking at the moment.

    Another option might be to use an IP camera?
    Of course it is an option. I first started using this laptop with
    a camera in early 2015 (had to visit Lucy at a hospital, that was
    before the really serious thing). I had to leave the house unattended
    and all I had was this 640x480 webcam. So I found something called "timershot", made it take a shot often enough, store as jpeg to disk
    and I looked at it via ftp with my phone... Now I can still do that
    but I did a script for my dps machine which ftp-s the shot from
    the laptop (on the same LAN) then ftp-s it to an unlinked directory
    in my website domain - so I can just refresh a browser to see it.
    Like everything else in (my?) life things just happen on the go...

    SOLUTION to your problem from the internet !!

    you need to install usb3.0 PCI controller to support your full HD camera under WinXP

    https://www.bing.com/search?q=can+usb+2.0+support+full+HD+camera&form=QBLH&sp=-1&pq=can+usb+2.0+support+full+hd+camera&sc=0-34&qs=n&sk=

    ==
    A 1080p60 source delivered as 8-bit RGB with 4:4:4 sampling is about 3.0 Gbps, so you need at least 10:1 compression to make using USB 2 even possible. On the other hand, 5 Gbps USB 3.0 is almost plausible, and 10 Gbps USB 3.1 should be good.

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  • From John Doe@21:1/5 to DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno@decadenc on Fri Jun 10 23:57:34 2022
    Here, Always Wrong is incorrectly attributing an argument to me.

    And acting like I might care less what it thinks I should do...


    DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno@decadence.org wrote:

    John Dope <always.look@message.header> wrote in news:t7uq57$1t0$4@dont-email.me:

    Subject: Re: OT: plug and pray webcam on windows xp
    From: John Dope <always.look@message.header>
    Newsgroups: sci.electronics.design,free.spam

    This ignorant nym-shifting troll is unaware of the fact
    programmers and gamers use PCs in low light, now pretending like
    it knows something about Windows' system files.

    It's not even a logical argument... "Programmers replace Windows'
    DLLs without good cause, therefore unskilled Windows users should
    replace Windows DLLs without good cause." (paraphrased)

    Regularly proving why it must nym-shift...

    Those were the xp days. Can't do that with the newer OS releases.

    Not that you would have any clue one way or the other.

    Stop adding retarded follow-up groups, you pussified jackass.


    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From John Doe@21:1/5 to corvid on Fri Jun 10 23:54:28 2022
    XPost: free.spam

    This nym-shifting troll is obviously not a programmer or even a gamer. Ignorance is where it got this nave suggestion "lowlight is a bad
    environment for using a PC" (paraphrased). Lots of programmers and gamers
    do so in low light.

    see also...
    =?UTF-8?Q?C=c3=b6rvid?= <bl_ckbirds.org> =?UTF-8?B?8J+QriBDb3dzIGFyZSBOaWNlIPCfkK4=?= <nice_cows.moo>
    Banders <snap_mailchute.com>
    Covid-19 <always.look_message.header>
    corvid <bl_ckb.ird>
    Corvid <bl_ckbirds.net>
    Corvid <bl_ckbirds.org>
    Cows Are Nice <cows_nice.moo>
    Cows are nice <moo_cows.org>
    Cows are Nice <nice_cows.moo>
    dogs <dogs_home.com>
    Great Pumpkin <pumpkin_patch.net>
    Jose Curvo <jcurvo_mymail.com>
    Local Favorite <how2recycle_palomar.info>
    Sea <freshness_coast.org>
    Standard Poodle <standard_poodle.com>
    triangles <build_home.com>
    and others...

    --
    corvid <bl@ckb.ird> wrote:

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    Newsgroups: sci.electronics.design
    Subject: Re: OT: plug and pray webcam on windows xp
    Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2022 06:17:57 -0700
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    John DoPe:
    This ignorant nym-shifting troll is unaware of the fact programmers
    and gamers use PCs in low light,

    Maybe I was unaware that Wintendo fanbois use PCs in rough-framed attics.

    now pretending like it knows something about Windows' system files.

    I was hex-editing win95 system files 25 years ago. You, a mere handful
    of years back, asked in the Win10 group if you were *allowed* to install
    an older Win10 that didn't have the latest update!

    It's not even a logical argument... "Programmers replace Windows'
    DLLs without good cause,

    I once had to choose between Windows programs because each wiped out the competitor, couldn't have both installed on the same machine.

    therefore unskilled Windows users should replace Windows DLLs
    without good cause." (paraphrased)

    Dope! There's no way to know if a dud dll is one from Microsoft, or
    if it came from somewhere else.

    When Adobe's newest Flash plugin failed to support non-SSE2 Athlon CPUs,
    I learned which version of Google's Chrome had the last working libflashplayer.so, installed it, grabbed the file for Firefox, then
    dumped Chrome.

    You're so timid, and under Microsoft's thumb, you're afraid to explore possibilities all by yourself.



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  • From Edward Hernandez@21:1/5 to All on Sat Jun 11 00:02:54 2022
    XPost: free.spam

    Further, Troll Doe stated the following in message-id <svsh05$lbh$5@dont-email.me>
    (http://al.howardknight.net/?ID=164904625100) posted Fri, 4 Mar 2022
    08:01:09 -0000 (UTC):

    Compared to other regulars, Bozo contributes practically nothing
    except insults to this group.

    Yet, since Wed, 5 Jan 2022 04:10:38 -0000 (UTC) Troll Doe's post ratio
    to USENET (**) has been 58.3% of its posts contributing "nothing except insults" to USENET.

    ** Since Wed, 5 Jan 2022 04:10:38 -0000 (UTC) Troll Doe has posted at
    least 1627 articles to USENET. Of which 173 have been pure insults and
    776 have been Troll Doe "troll format" postings.

    The Troll Doe stated the following in message-id
    <sdhn7c$pkp$4@dont-email.me>:

    The troll doesn't even know how to format a USENET post...

    And the Troll Doe stated the following in message-id <sg3kr7$qt5$1@dont-email.me>:

    The reason Bozo cannot figure out how to get Google to keep from
    breaking its lines in inappropriate places is because Bozo is
    CLUELESS...

    And yet, the clueless Troll Doe has continued to post incorrectly
    formatted USENET articles that are devoid of content (latest example on
    Fri, 10 Jun 2022 23:54:28 -0000 (UTC) in message-id <t80ljk$hp7$3@dont-email.me>).

    NOBODY likes the John Doe troll's contentless spam.

    This posting is a public service announcement for any google groups
    readers who happen by to point out that John Doe does not even follow
    the rules it uses to troll other posters.

    V2fuIbkaroAd

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From Don Y@21:1/5 to All on Fri Jun 10 17:16:32 2022
    On 6/10/2022 1:42 PM, Dimiter_Popoff wrote:
    My old (also external) webcam which I use in order to look at my lab >>>>> when I am not there (USB connected to an old xp laptop) began to lose >>>>> its presence at times (gets back on app restart but well, I need it to >>>>> work when I am not there).
    So I got a new one,
    https://natec-zone.com/product/lori .

    The old one is malfunctioning? And, it's not caused by software rot?
    (i.e., have you tried it on a clean install of XP -- saving your
    current disk so you can return to that point, later)

    Presumably, no option to purchase an identical replacement
    (eBay/used)? I.e., did you buy something different because
    you wanted to "upgrade" -- or, because you had no choice in
    the matter?

    Of course there are plenty of options. I got greedy seeing this one
    was 1080p and got it (the rest are 640x480, like the old one).

    Ah, that may be the kiss of death as lower resolution was more
    typical for old offerings. I'm not sure folks build drivers
    that adapt to the capabilities of the camera...

    I started to think that way, too. In fact one of the suspicions is that because the laptop has only a 1280x800 TFT display windows decides
    a 1920x1080 camera would be too much and declines to recognize it
    at all to save calls, hassle etc. I have tried this laptop with
    the TV-set at 1920x1080 but many years ago, won't go through this
    now. I just leave that camera for my own future USB exercises...

    No doubt, in your limitless FREE TIME! <grin>

    You can get the device IDs for the old camera and grep *.inf for any
    mention of them. It will declare which files/DLLs to bind to the device
    during the probe().

    [You can see which driver file is bound to it by examining the properties
    of the old camera "device"]

    The new camera on XP is seen as "unknown device",
    USB\VID_0000&PID_0000\5&142FC231&0&3
    On windows 10 it is seen as
    USB\VID_058F&PID_3861&REV_0001&MI_00
    USB\VID_058F&PID_3861&MI_00

    VID = vendor identification. Somewhere, there's a master catalog of
    these ("8086" is intel).
    PID is product identification. This is a vendor-specific designation
    of the particular device/model. >
    After an "insertion event", windows goes looking through its set of
    INF files to see if it can find any information about that particular device.
    If so, it activates the named files, updates registry entries, etc.
    Then, announces the device as ready for use.

    Where does the 0000 comes from? Does windows set it like this because
    it read something it did not like or what? (answer that only if you
    have it ready, I am not dealing with the camera any more).

    Dunno. I would think it would still have to show the *detected* IDs,
    even if it doesn't recognize the device (i.e., can't bind a driver to it).

    For example, I have an "Other Device" listed on this machine with
    Manufacture "unknown" (Properties | General). But, the hardware IDs
    tell me it's an Intel device (VIN=8086) and give a product ID. It's
    just that there is nothing (.INF) telling the OS what to do with this particular device instance.

    [I'm presently in this boat with a USB3 hub; original model works fine, >>>> new iteration of the same model is not bound to the USB3 driver -- so, >>>> runs at USB2 speeds]

    So if by some chance someone knows something I can try - some particular >>>>> driver etc. - please help. I am far from a windows freak, I can manage >>>>> little more than what is obvious to me.

    Another option is to run Linux on that machine -- dual boot for
    the times when you need the camera to be "available"

    That would be more hassle than I am inclined to settle for.

    Understandable. A big advantage of Linux is that you can HOPE
    that someone previously had your camera (or other device)
    and figured out how to recognize it and use it.

    Many years ago (10?) I had made this laptop (the xp) dual-boot,
    had some ubuntu as a choice next to its xp. Good thing I knew to
    be cautious writing to sector 0 (all these years doing it for dps during/causing innumerable disasters) so I had saved it
    beforehand, had learned how to use dd for the purpose and used
    a linux CD to boot from.... had to restore it a few times before things eventually worked.

    Yeah, MS doesn't tend to "play nice" with other OSs. But, you
    can coerce the two to share a bed...

    If reverting to a pristine Windows image was easy (I save an
    image of each machine just after "building" it), I'd suggest
    that, just in case something mucked with <something> that the
    camera needed.

    An XP VM would be another alternative. But, each of these
    approaches mean you have to have made an investment, previously.

    Oh I could install windows 10 on this laptop or whatever but no,
    I am done with this camera now. I have a VM on the windows 10
    laptop, vmware something, worked initially for what I wanted it,
    then after a few windows updates the function I was interested in
    stopped (on an emulated xp machine). Was easier to keep using the
    xp laptop for that (needed once a year or so) than to start digging
    to fix it.

    Yeah, I *really* don't like dicking with a machine once it's been
    set up. No, I don't want any OS updates. No, I don't want any
    application updates. I *know* how THIS works so let's just keep
    things the way they are!

    (Folks with IT departments have more time to waste than I)

    Anyway, I'll look if I can guess something around these .inf
    files one of these days - unless I abandon that camera completely,
    as things are looking at the moment.

    Another option might be to use an IP camera?

    Of course it is an option. I first started using this laptop with
    a camera in early 2015 (had to visit Lucy at a hospital, that was
    before the really serious thing). I had to leave the house unattended
    and all I had was this 640x480 webcam. So I found something called "timershot", made it take a shot often enough, store as jpeg to disk
    and I looked at it via ftp with my phone... Now I can still do that
    but I did a script for my dps machine which ftp-s the shot from
    the laptop (on the same LAN) then ftp-s it to an unlinked directory
    in my website domain - so I can just refresh a browser to see it.

    OK. As a jpeg, you should be able to have it scaled to fit
    any (practical) screen size.

    Like everything else in (my?) life things just happen on the go...

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From John Doe@21:1/5 to corvid on Sat Jun 11 01:17:25 2022
    corvid <bl@ckb.ird> wrote:

    I was hex-editing win95 system files 25 years ago.

    Sure you were. And now you are a Mac user...

    You, a mere handful of years back, asked in the Win10 group if you were *allowed* to install an older Win10 that didn't have the latest update!

    Provide a citation...

    I was in the PC hardware group and then in the Windows 10 group, for
    decades.

    FWIW... I am more conscious than most. Here's one Windows 10 bug I
    discovered 26 Apr 2017...

    "File Explorer loses focus after deleting a file?"

    Message-ID: <odoqtc$2u5$1@dont-email.me>

    Still happens. After a reboot, it happens once, and then, whatever little
    flag is properly set so it doesn't happen again until the next reboot.

    Before that, I also discovered a fun Windows 10 file manager bug having to
    do with recursive folder generation. Unfortunately Google doesn't archive
    the Windows 10 group so it is not so easy to find. Definitely posted to
    the Windows 10/whatever group and got some replies. Probably an original
    post, but not 100% sure.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From corvid@21:1/5 to All on Fri Jun 10 18:50:31 2022
    Attic dweller John Dope:
    This nym-shifting troll is obviously not a programmer or even a
    gamer.

    Not either. Isn't obvious, but you'll grasp at whatever you can... to
    lose that ATTIC.

    Ignorance is where it got this naīve suggestion "lowlight is a bad

    I didn't say "I think the idiot lives in lowlight", did I?

    environment for using a PC" (paraphrased). Lots of programmers and
    gamers do so in low light.

    I just brought your attention back to "rough-framed attics" and you had
    to snip that! You go directly back low light again!

    Returning to the topic, I never said that a bad dll must be one that
    came from Microsoft, either. But it's a bad idea to auto-assume that Microsoft's is the one you want to keep.

    "therefore unskilled Windows users should replace
    Windows DLLs without good cause." (paraphrased)" was never part of my
    argument, you lied! We'll never see an honest followup from you here,
    you aren't up to it.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From Edward Hernandez@21:1/5 to All on Sat Jun 11 01:56:11 2022
    XPost: free.spam

    In message-id <t6nt3e$7bp$3@dont-email.me> (http://al.howardknight.net/?ID=165357273000) posted Thu, 26 May 2022
    12:50:54 -0000 (UTC) John Dope stated:

    Always Wrong, the utterly foulmouthed group idiot, adding absolutely
    NOTHING but insults to this thread, as usual...

    Yet, since Wed, 5 Jan 2022 04:10:38 -0000 (UTC) John Dope's post ratio
    to USENET (**) has been 58.7% of its posts contributing "nothing except insults" to USENET.

    ** Since Wed, 5 Jan 2022 04:10:38 -0000 (UTC) John Dope has posted at
    least 1655 articles to USENET. Of which 173 have been pure insults and
    798 have been John Dope "troll format" postings.

    The Troll Doe stated the following in message-id
    <sdhn7c$pkp$4@dont-email.me>:

    The troll doesn't even know how to format a USENET post...

    And the Troll Doe stated the following in message-id <sg3kr7$qt5$1@dont-email.me>:

    The reason Bozo cannot figure out how to get Google to keep from
    breaking its lines in inappropriate places is because Bozo is
    CLUELESS...

    And yet, the clueless Troll Doe has itself posted yet another
    incorrectly formatted USENET posting on Sat, 11 Jun 2022 01:53:20 -0000
    (UTC) in message-id <t80sig$a1$4@dont-email.me>.

    This posting is a public service announcement for any google groups
    readers who happen by to point out that John Dope does not even follow
    the rules it uses to troll other posters.

    RXjm0jLiejgJ

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  • From John Doe@21:1/5 to corvid on Sat Jun 11 01:53:20 2022
    XPost: free.spam

    I'm being accused of "lying" by nym-shifting troll.

    Nope. Anybody can scroll up.

    see also...
    =?UTF-8?Q?C=c3=b6rvid?= <bl_ckbirds.org> =?UTF-8?B?8J+QriBDb3dzIGFyZSBOaWNlIPCfkK4=?= <nice_cows.moo>
    Banders <snap_mailchute.com>
    Covid-19 <always.look_message.header>
    corvid <bl_ckb.ird>
    Corvid <bl_ckbirds.net>
    Corvid <bl_ckbirds.org>
    Cows Are Nice <cows_nice.moo>
    Cows are nice <moo_cows.org>
    Cows are Nice <nice_cows.moo>
    dogs <dogs_home.com>
    Great Pumpkin <pumpkin_patch.net>
    Jose Curvo <jcurvo_mymail.com>
    Local Favorite <how2recycle_palomar.info>
    Sea <freshness_coast.org>
    Standard Poodle <standard_poodle.com>
    triangles <build_home.com>
    and others...

    --
    corvid <bl@ckb.ird> wrote:

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    Newsgroups: sci.electronics.design
    Subject: Re: OT: plug and pray webcam on windows xp
    Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2022 18:50:31 -0700
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    Attic dweller John Dope:
    This nym-shifting troll is obviously not a programmer or even a
    gamer.

    Not either. Isn't obvious, but you'll grasp at whatever you can... to
    lose that ATTIC.

    Ignorance is where it got this nave suggestion "lowlight is a bad

    I didn't say "I think the idiot lives in lowlight", did I?

    environment for using a PC" (paraphrased). Lots of programmers and
    gamers do so in low light.

    I just brought your attention back to "rough-framed attics" and you had
    to snip that! You go directly back low light again!

    Returning to the topic, I never said that a bad dll must be one that
    came from Microsoft, either. But it's a bad idea to auto-assume that Microsoft's is the one you want to keep.

    "therefore unskilled Windows users should replace
    Windows DLLs without good cause." (paraphrased)" was never part of my argument, you lied! We'll never see an honest followup from you here,
    you aren't up to it.



    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno@decadenc@21:1/5 to corvid on Sat Jun 11 10:45:06 2022
    corvid <bl@ckb.ird> wrote in news:t7vga6$1hgq$1@gioia.aioe.org:

    John DoPe:
    This ignorant nym-shifting troll is unaware of the fact
    programmers and gamers use PCs in low light,

    Maybe I was unaware that Wintendo fanbois use PCs in rough-framed
    attics.

    now pretending like it knows something about Windows' system
    files.

    I was hex-editing win95 system files 25 years ago. You, a mere
    handful of years back, asked in the Win10 group if you were
    *allowed* to install an older Win10 that didn't have the latest
    update!

    It's not even a logical argument... "Programmers replace Windows'
    DLLs without good cause,

    I once had to choose between Windows programs because each wiped
    out the competitor, couldn't have both installed on the same
    machine.

    therefore unskilled Windows users should replace Windows DLLs
    without good cause." (paraphrased)

    Dope! There's no way to know if a dud dll is one from Microsoft,
    or if it came from somewhere else.

    When Adobe's newest Flash plugin failed to support non-SSE2 Athlon
    CPUs, I learned which version of Google's Chrome had the last
    working libflashplayer.so, installed it, grabbed the file for
    Firefox, then dumped Chrome.

    You're so timid, and under Microsoft's thumb, you're afraid to
    explore possibilities all by yourself.


    I hate that my modern machine has multiple 'versions' of dot net or
    whatever MS calls it on my machine because different age apps require
    different versions. But whatever works as long as it isn't taking up
    Gigs of drive space.

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  • From DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno@decadenc@21:1/5 to dp@tgi-sci.com on Sat Jun 11 10:54:14 2022
    Dimiter_Popoff <dp@tgi-sci.com> wrote in
    news:t7vl38$ard$1@dont-email.me:

    On 6/10/2022 17:15, Don Y wrote:
    On 6/9/2022 4:33 PM, Dimiter_Popoff wrote:
    A somewhat moronic question but well, perhaps someone has been
    there and done it.
    My old (also external) webcam which I use in order to look at my
    lab when I am not there (USB connected to an old xp laptop)
    began to lose its presence at times (gets back on app restart
    but well, I need it to work when I am not there).
    So I got a new one,
    https://natec-zone.com/product/lori .

    The old one is malfunctioning?  And, it's not caused by software
    rot? (i.e., have you tried it on a clean install of XP -- saving
    your current disk so you can return to that point, later)

    Presumably, no option to purchase an identical replacement
    (eBay/used)?  I.e., did you buy something different because
    you wanted to "upgrade" -- or, because you had no choice in
    the matter?

    Of course there are plenty of options. I got greedy seeing this
    one was 1080p and got it (the rest are 640x480, like the old one).


    Wasted me a whole day today and no chance for xp to recognize
    it. On the windows 10 laptop it just works; on the xp it stays
    unrecognized. I tried all the obvious, installed various drivers
    etc., nothing. Found a much longer version of upnphosts.dll
    (something like 300k, mine was 182 or so), nothing.
    I guess I'll give up on it and get another but... it does claim
    to work with XP. Haven't tried to talk to the makers, I already
    wasted enough time on that as it is.

    You can "ask" (XP) what the "Hardware IDs" are for the
    "unrecognized" device as well as the old, recognized camera. 
    You can then, possibly, trick XP into using an existing driver
    (one that *it* knows about and is known
    to work with it) for the new camera -- possibly requiring an edit
    of a .INF file, somewhere, to add an entry for that hardware ID.

    Never looked into a .inf file, will try this.
    The new camera on XP is seen as "unknown device", USB\VID_0000&PID_0000\5&142FC231&0&3
    On windows 10 it is seen as
    USB\VID_058F&PID_3861&REV_0001&MI_00
    USB\VID_058F&PID_3861&MI_00


    [I'm presently in this boat with a USB3 hub; original model works
    fine, new iteration of the same model is not bound to the USB3
    driver -- so, runs at USB2 speeds]

    So if by some chance someone knows something I can try - some
    particular driver etc. - please help. I am far from a windows
    freak, I can manage little more than what is obvious to me.

    Another option is to run Linux on that machine -- dual boot for
    the times when you need the camera to be "available"

    That would be more hassle than I am inclined to settle for.
    Then the old camera is not hanging while I am out (but invariably
    hangs the *first* time I start "timershot" with plenty of disk
    activity, after I kill it and restart it it works.... may be
    not the camera's fault at all, likely so really now after I saw
    it happen in front of me).

    Anyway, I'll look if I can guess something around these .inf
    files one of these days - unless I abandon that camera completely,
    as things are looking at the moment.

    Boot up a Linux Ubuntu Studio thumb drive and see if it sees it.
    If so, you could get an external USB hard drive and put Ubuntu on it
    and run that and use that for the camera and those times when you are
    there you boot up as normal and use the OS on the machine as it is.
    That way you modify nothing on your existing set up.

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  • From corvid@21:1/5 to Lying attic dweller John Dope on Sat Jun 11 13:46:58 2022
    On 6/10/22 18:53, Lying attic dweller John Dope wrote:
    I'm being accused of "lying" by nym-shifting troll.

    Nope. Anybody can scroll up.

    And they'll find that your loose "quote",

    "Programmers replace Windows' DLLs
    without good cause, therefore unskilled Windows users should replace
    Windows DLLs without good cause." (paraphrased)

    was not paraphrased, it was fabricated.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From John Doe@21:1/5 to corvid on Sat Jun 11 22:22:18 2022
    Don't know why it persists, but...

    I have had plenty of hardware installation problems. I've read plenty
    about hardware installation problems. I have never even heard of poking
    around for a "bigger" Windows DLL file that might solve a hardware
    installation problem.

    Maybe the silly poster can enlighten me by providing a citation to some discussion on a legitimate technical forum about doing that... Unlikely.

    Since the original poster is admittedly "far from a windows freak", it
    should not be looking around for a "bigger" DLL (but seriously), and my
    phrase "without good cause" is close enough.

    https://www.lifewire.com/important-reasons-not-to-download-dll-files-2624455

    The problem with this nym-shifting poster might be drinking and posting...

    see also...
    =?UTF-8?Q?C=c3=b6rvid?= <bl_ckbirds.org> =?UTF-8?B?8J+QriBDb3dzIGFyZSBOaWNlIPCfkK4=?= <nice_cows.moo>
    Banders <snap_mailchute.com>
    Covid-19 <always.look_message.header>
    corvid <bl_ckb.ird>
    Corvid <bl_ckbirds.net>
    Corvid <bl_ckbirds.org>
    Cows Are Nice <cows_nice.moo>
    Cows are nice <moo_cows.org>
    Cows are Nice <nice_cows.moo>
    dogs <dogs_home.com>
    Great Pumpkin <pumpkin_patch.net>
    Jose Curvo <jcurvo_mymail.com>
    Local Favorite <how2recycle_palomar.info>
    Sea <freshness_coast.org>
    Standard Poodle <standard_poodle.com>
    triangles <build_home.com>
    and others...



    corvid <bl@ckb.ird> wrote:

    On 6/10/22 18:53, Lying attic dweller John Dope wrote:
    I'm being accused of "lying" by nym-shifting troll.

    Nope. Anybody can scroll up.

    And they'll find that your loose "quote",

    "Programmers replace Windows' DLLs
    without good cause, therefore unskilled Windows users should replace
    Windows DLLs without good cause." (paraphrased)

    was not paraphrased, it was fabricated.


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  • From John Doe@21:1/5 to DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno@decadenc on Sat Jun 11 23:46:16 2022
    XPost: free.spam

    A pathetic, petty troll...

    --
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    From: DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno@decadence.org
    Newsgroups: sci.electronics.design
    Subject: Re: OT: plug and pray webcam on windows xp
    Date: Sat, 11 Jun 2022 23:43:33 -0000 (UTC)
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    John Dope <always.look@message.header> wrote in news:t834iq$en4$3@dont- email.me:

    I have had plenty of hardware installation problems.

    You sound just like SkyTard Flailing.
    Bwuahahahahahaahahaa!



    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From Edward Hernandez@21:1/5 to All on Sun Jun 12 00:09:47 2022
    XPost: free.spam

    In message-id <t6nt3e$7bp$3@dont-email.me> (http://al.howardknight.net/?ID=165357273000) posted Thu, 26 May 2022
    12:50:54 -0000 (UTC) John Dope stated:

    Always Wrong, the utterly foulmouthed group idiot, adding absolutely
    NOTHING but insults to this thread, as usual...

    Yet, since Wed, 5 Jan 2022 04:10:38 -0000 (UTC) John Dope's post ratio
    to USENET (**) has been 58.8% of its posts contributing "nothing except insults" to USENET.

    ** Since Wed, 5 Jan 2022 04:10:38 -0000 (UTC) John Dope has posted at
    least 1689 articles to USENET. Of which 173 have been pure insults and
    820 have been John Dope "troll format" postings.

    The John Dope troll stated the following in message-id <sdhn7c$pkp$4@dont-email.me>:

    The troll doesn't even know how to format a USENET post...

    And the John Dope troll stated the following in message-id <sg3kr7$qt5$1@dont-email.me>:

    The reason Bozo cannot figure out how to get Google to keep from
    breaking its lines in inappropriate places is because Bozo is
    CLUELESS...

    And yet, the clueless John Dope troll has itself posted yet another
    incorrectly formatted USENET posting on Sat, 11 Jun 2022 23:46:16 -0000
    (UTC) in message-id <t839g8$ucl$1@dont-email.me>.

    This posting is a public service announcement for any google groups
    readers who happen by to point out that John Doe does not even follow
    the rules it uses to troll other posters.

    EGq/9AR7e6EK

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  • From DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno@decadenc@21:1/5 to John Dope on Sat Jun 11 23:43:33 2022
    John Dope <always.look@message.header> wrote in news:t834iq$en4$3@dont- email.me:

    I have had plenty of hardware installation problems.

    You sound just like SkyTard Flailing.
    Bwuahahahahahaahahaa!

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  • From corvid@21:1/5 to lying attic dweller John Doe on Sat Jun 11 18:16:33 2022
    On 6/11/22 15:22,lying attic dweller John Doe wrote:
    Don't know why it persists, but...

    I have had plenty of hardware installation problems. I've read plenty
    about hardware installation problems. I have never even heard of poking around for a "bigger" Windows DLL file that might solve a hardware installation problem.

    You're too stupid to find solutions.

    Maybe the silly poster can enlighten me by providing a citation to some discussion on a legitimate technical forum about doing that... Unlikely.

    Since the original poster is admittedly "far from a windows freak", it
    should not be looking around for a "bigger" DLL (but seriously), and my phrase "without good cause" is close enough.
    Your phrase doesn't fit anything that's been discussed. Idiot.

    https://www.lifewire.com/important-reasons-not-to-download-dll-files-2624455

    "DLL files are created and distributed by companies that develop
    software. Sometimes that software company is Microsoft, sometimes it's
    not. Many companies create DLL files as part of their software packages."

    Confirms exactly what I wrote.

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  • From corvid@21:1/5 to John Doe on Sat Jun 11 20:06:54 2022
    On 6/9/22 17:16, John Doe wrote:
    Dimiter_Popoff <dp@tgi-sci.com> wrote:

    ... >> I tried all the obvious, installed various drivers etc.,
    nothing. Found a much longer version of upnphosts.dll (something
    like 300k, mine was 182 or so), nothing.
    ...
    Changing Windows' system files is a bad idea. Hopefully you
    restored the prior DLL after the "much longer version" failed.
    Otherwise, that sort of manipulation could be the problem.

    You really think that the problem arrived AFTER he's spent time trying
    fix it?

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  • From corvid@21:1/5 to Your source backs up what I on Sat Jun 11 20:18:48 2022
    Lying attic dweller John Dope:
    Don't know why it persists, but...

    https://www.lifewire.com/important-reasons-not-to-download-dll-files-2624455

    Your source backs up what I said about companies providing same but
    different dlls. Thanks.


    The problem with this nym-shifting poster might be drinking and posting...

    You draw from a very small pool of stock comments.


    corvid <bl@ckb.ird> wrote:

    On 6/10/22 18:53, Lying attic dweller John Dope wrote:
    I'm being accused of "lying" by nym-shifting troll.

    Nope. Anybody can scroll up.

    And they'll find that your loose "quote",

    "Programmers replace Windows' DLLs
    without good cause, therefore unskilled Windows users should replace
    Windows DLLs without good cause." (paraphrased)

    was not paraphrased, it was fabricated.

    Fabricated.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From rbowman@21:1/5 to corvid on Sat Jun 11 22:39:10 2022
    On 06/11/2022 07:16 PM, corvid wrote:
    On 6/11/22 15:22,lying attic dweller John Doe wrote:
    Don't know why it persists, but...

    I have had plenty of hardware installation problems. I've read plenty
    about hardware installation problems. I have never even heard of poking
    around for a "bigger" Windows DLL file that might solve a hardware
    installation problem.

    You're too stupid to find solutions.

    Maybe the silly poster can enlighten me by providing a citation to some
    discussion on a legitimate technical forum about doing that... Unlikely.

    Since the original poster is admittedly "far from a windows freak", it
    should not be looking around for a "bigger" DLL (but seriously), and my
    phrase "without good cause" is close enough.
    Your phrase doesn't fit anything that's been discussed. Idiot.

    https://www.lifewire.com/important-reasons-not-to-download-dll-files-2624455 >>

    "DLL files are created and distributed by companies that develop
    software. Sometimes that software company is Microsoft, sometimes it's
    not. Many companies create DLL files as part of their software packages."

    Confirms exactly what I wrote.

    Used correctly they are handy. We have several optional modules. Rather
    than burdening the executable with statically linked code if the module
    is enabled load the dll at runtime. They can also serve as a shim
    between a C application that needs to interact with a C++/COM library,
    or other uses.

    I do worry when I attempt to install an application and have to go out
    and get Framework 3.5. It's now a standalone product but at least it
    will be supported until 2028 unlie 4, 4.5, and 4.5.1. Sort of like XP
    and 7 it just won't go away.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From corvid@21:1/5 to rbowman on Sat Jun 11 23:32:58 2022
    On 6/11/22 21:39, rbowman wrote:
    On 06/11/2022 07:16 PM, corvid wrote:
    On 6/11/22 15:22,lying attic dweller John Doe wrote:
    Don't know why it persists, but...

    I have had plenty of hardware installation problems. I've read plenty
    about hardware installation problems. I have never even heard of poking
    around for a "bigger" Windows DLL file that might solve a hardware
    installation problem.

    You're too stupid to find solutions.

    Maybe the silly poster can enlighten me by providing a citation to some
    discussion on a legitimate technical forum about doing that... Unlikely. >>>
    Since the original poster is admittedly "far from a windows freak", it
    should not be looking around for a "bigger" DLL (but seriously), and my
    phrase "without good cause" is close enough.
    Your phrase doesn't fit anything that's been discussed. Idiot.

    https://www.lifewire.com/important-reasons-not-to-download-dll-files-2624455

    "DLL files are created and distributed by companies that develop
    software. Sometimes that software company is Microsoft, sometimes it's
    not. Many companies create DLL files as part of their software packages."

    Confirms exactly what I wrote.

    Used correctly they are handy. We have several optional modules. Rather
    than burdening the executable with statically linked code if the module
    is enabled load the dll at runtime.  They can also serve as a shim
    between a C application that needs to interact with a C++/COM library,
    or other uses.

    I do worry when I attempt to install an application and have to go out
    and get Framework 3.5.  It's now a standalone product but at least it
    will be supported until 2028 unlie 4, 4.5, and 4.5.1. Sort of like XP
    and 7 it just won't go away.

    Whoosh! I barely got any of that.

    Win98se was my final Windows, and I'd still be dual-booting to it if my
    old board didn't succumb to bad caps.
    Began looking at Linux with, uh... Mint8, I think. Helena.
    Never had to become proficient with command line, so I didn't. The file
    system baffles me. I have no idea what's under the hood the way I did
    with Win98.

    Everybody ought to be using Manjaro, with KDE Plasma.
    Windows, and MacOS, are comparative crap.

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  • From DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno@decadenc@21:1/5 to corvid on Sun Jun 12 08:19:08 2022
    corvid <bl@ckb.ird> wrote in news:t841aq$16ca$1@gioia.aioe.org:

    On 6/11/22 21:39, rbowman wrote:
    On 06/11/2022 07:16 PM, corvid wrote:
    On 6/11/22 15:22,lying attic dweller John Doe wrote:
    Don't know why it persists, but...

    I have had plenty of hardware installation problems. I've read
    plenty about hardware installation problems. I have never even
    heard of poking around for a "bigger" Windows DLL file that
    might solve a hardware installation problem.

    You're too stupid to find solutions.

    Maybe the silly poster can enlighten me by providing a citation
    to some discussion on a legitimate technical forum about doing
    that... Unlikely.

    Since the original poster is admittedly "far from a windows
    freak", it should not be looking around for a "bigger" DLL (but
    seriously), and my phrase "without good cause" is close enough.
    Your phrase doesn't fit anything that's been discussed. Idiot.

    https://www.lifewire.com/important-reasons-not-to-download-dll-f
    iles-2624455

    "DLL files are created and distributed by companies that develop
    software. Sometimes that software company is Microsoft,
    sometimes it's not. Many companies create DLL files as part of
    their software packages."

    Confirms exactly what I wrote.

    Used correctly they are handy. We have several optional modules.
    Rather than burdening the executable with statically linked code
    if the module is enabled load the dll at runtime.  They can also
    serve as a shim between a C application that needs to interact
    with a C++/COM library, or other uses.

    I do worry when I attempt to install an application and have to
    go out and get Framework 3.5.  It's now a standalone product but
    at least it will be supported until 2028 unlie 4, 4.5, and 4.5.1.
    Sort of like XP and 7 it just won't go away.

    Whoosh! I barely got any of that.

    Win98se was my final Windows, and I'd still be dual-booting to it
    if my old board didn't succumb to bad caps.
    Began looking at Linux with, uh... Mint8, I think. Helena.
    Never had to become proficient with command line, so I didn't. The
    file system baffles me. I have no idea what's under the hood the
    way I did with Win98.

    Everybody ought to be using Manjaro, with KDE Plasma.
    Windows, and MacOS, are comparative crap.


    I like Knoppix and Ubuntu Studio but never install them on my local
    drive. I alway use an add on drive and that way I can retain my
    current system... like it never happened.

    And my current system has a Linux VM in it.

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  • From Edward Hernandez@21:1/5 to All on Sun Jun 12 15:39:31 2022
    XPost: free.spam

    Further, John Doe stated the following in message-id <svsh05$lbh$5@dont-email.me>
    (http://al.howardknight.net/?ID=164904625100) posted Fri, 4 Mar 2022
    08:01:09 -0000 (UTC):

    Compared to other regulars, Bozo contributes practically nothing
    except insults to this group.

    Yet, since Wed, 5 Jan 2022 04:10:38 -0000 (UTC) John Doe's post ratio to
    USENET (**) has been 58.7% of its posts contributing "nothing except
    insults" to USENET.

    ** Since Wed, 5 Jan 2022 04:10:38 -0000 (UTC) John Doe has posted at
    least 1689 articles to USENET. Of which 173 have been pure insults and
    819 have been John Doe "troll format" postings.

    The John Doe troll stated the following in message-id <sdhn7c$pkp$4@dont-email.me>:

    The troll doesn't even know how to format a USENET post...

    And the John Doe troll stated the following in message-id <sg3kr7$qt5$1@dont-email.me>:

    The reason Bozo cannot figure out how to get Google to keep from
    breaking its lines in inappropriate places is because Bozo is
    CLUELESS...

    And yet, the clueless John Doe troll has itself posted yet another
    incorrectly formatted USENET posting on Sun, 12 Jun 2022 15:30:15 -0000
    (UTC) in message-id <t850q7$q0r$2@dont-email.me>.

    9Wv+5MOVzWNx

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  • From John Doe@21:1/5 to corvid on Sun Jun 12 15:21:51 2022
    In my vast experience, DLLs are not involved in the installation of
    hardware. Hardware installations depend on INF files.

    This nym-shifting troll goes off on a tangent here talking about running programs. This thread is not about running programs, it's about INSTALLING HARDWARE. Big difference between hardware and software...

    see also...
    =?UTF-8?Q?C=c3=b6rvid?= <bl_ckbirds.org> =?UTF-8?B?8J+QriBDb3dzIGFyZSBOaWNlIPCfkK4=?= <nice_cows.moo>
    Banders <snap_mailchute.com>
    Covid-19 <always.look_message.header>
    corvid <bl_ckb.ird>
    Corvid <bl_ckbirds.net>
    Corvid <bl_ckbirds.org>
    Cows Are Nice <cows_nice.moo>
    Cows are nice <moo_cows.org>
    Cows are Nice <nice_cows.moo>
    dogs <dogs_home.com>
    Great Pumpkin <pumpkin_patch.net>
    Jose Curvo <jcurvo_mymail.com>
    Local Favorite <how2recycle_palomar.info>
    Sea <freshness_coast.org>
    Standard Poodle <standard_poodle.com>
    triangles <build_home.com>
    and others...

    corvid <bl@ckb.ird> wrote:

    John DoPe:
    Dimiter_Popoff <dp@tgi-sci.com> wrote:

    Wasted me a whole day today and no chance for xp to recognize it.
    On the windows 10 laptop it just works; on the xp it stays
    unrecognized. I tried all the obvious, installed various drivers
    etc., nothing. Found a much longer version of upnphosts.dll
    (something like 300k, mine was 182 or so), nothing.

    Changing Windows' system files is a bad idea. Hopefully you restored
    the prior DLL after the "much longer version" failed. Otherwise, that
    sort of manipulation could be the problem.

    No, it's a good idea. Software makers often enough include their own
    versions of dlls, using the same name as everyone else's version, with
    no concern about breaking another program that was already there before
    its dll got overwritten.


    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From John Doe@21:1/5 to corvid on Sun Jun 12 15:30:15 2022
    XPost: free.spam

    This nym-shifting troll went off on a tangent about RUNNING PROGRAMS as
    opposed to INSTALLING HARDWARE, then it ignored my request to provide some citation about how manipulating a Windows system DLL file can somehow
    increase your chances of successfully installing a hardware.

    That's because this nym-shifting troll has no basis for its silly claim
    that manipulating DLLs for RUNNING SOFTWARE has anything to do with
    INSTALLING HARDWARE. Doesn't even know the difference between hardware and software... "But I was hex editing DLLs before I became a Mac user!"

    Silly troll...

    see also...
    =?UTF-8?Q?C=c3=b6rvid?= <bl_ckbirds.org> =?UTF-8?B?8J+QriBDb3dzIGFyZSBOaWNlIPCfkK4=?= <nice_cows.moo>
    Banders <snap_mailchute.com>
    Covid-19 <always.look_message.header>
    corvid <bl_ckb.ird>
    Corvid <bl_ckbirds.net>
    Corvid <bl_ckbirds.org>
    Cows Are Nice <cows_nice.moo>
    Cows are nice <moo_cows.org>
    Cows are Nice <nice_cows.moo>
    dogs <dogs_home.com>
    Great Pumpkin <pumpkin_patch.net>
    Jose Curvo <jcurvo_mymail.com>
    Local Favorite <how2recycle_palomar.info>
    Sea <freshness_coast.org>
    Standard Poodle <standard_poodle.com>
    triangles <build_home.com>
    and others...

    --
    corvid <bl@ckb.ird> wrote:

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    Newsgroups: sci.electronics.design
    Subject: Re: OT: plug and pray webcam on windows xp
    Date: Sat, 11 Jun 2022 18:16:33 -0700
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    On 6/11/22 15:22,lying attic dweller John Doe wrote:
    Don't know why it persists, but...

    I have had plenty of hardware installation problems. I've read plenty
    about hardware installation problems. I have never even heard of poking
    around for a "bigger" Windows DLL file that might solve a hardware
    installation problem.

    You're too stupid to find solutions.

    Maybe the silly poster can enlighten me by providing a citation to some
    discussion on a legitimate technical forum about doing that... Unlikely.

    Since the original poster is admittedly "far from a windows freak", it
    should not be looking around for a "bigger" DLL (but seriously), and my
    phrase "without good cause" is close enough.
    Your phrase doesn't fit anything that's been discussed. Idiot.

    https://www.lifewire.com/important-reasons-not-to-download-dll-files-2624455

    "DLL files are created and distributed by companies that develop
    software. Sometimes that software company is Microsoft, sometimes it's
    not. Many companies create DLL files as part of their software packages."

    Confirms exactly what I wrote.



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  • From John Doe@21:1/5 to rbowman on Sun Jun 12 15:53:47 2022
    rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:

    corvid wrote:
    John Doe wrote:

    Don't know why it persists, but...

    I have had plenty of hardware installation problems. I've read plenty
    about hardware installation problems. I have never even heard of
    poking around for a "bigger" Windows DLL file that might solve a
    hardware installation problem.

    You're too stupid to find solutions.

    The nym-shifting troll is too stupid to realize we are talking about
    INSTALLING HARDWARE, not RUNNING PROGRAMS.

    Maybe the silly poster can enlighten me by providing a citation to
    some discussion on a legitimate technical forum about doing that...
    Unlikely.

    Since the original poster is admittedly "far from a windows freak", it
    should not be looking around for a "bigger" DLL (but seriously), and
    my phrase "without good cause" is close enough.

    Your phrase doesn't fit anything that's been discussed. Idiot.

    Running programs has nothing to do with installing hardware. That's why it
    must nym-shift. To keep its idiotic persona from being known.

    https://www.lifewire.com/important-reasons-not-to-download-dll-files-2624455

    "DLL files are created and distributed by companies that develop
    software. Sometimes that software company is Microsoft, sometimes it's
    not. Many companies create DLL files as part of their software
    packages."

    Used correctly they are handy.

    Not for installing hardware.

    We have several optional modules. Rather than burdening the executable
    with statically linked code if the module is enabled load the dll at
    runtime.

    Installing hardware has nothing to do with runtime.

    They can also serve as a shim between a C application that needs to
    interact with a C++/COM library, or other uses.

    I do worry when I attempt to install an application

    But not installing hardware. The nym-shifting troll tried to justify the original poster's messing with a Windows DLL by going off on a tangent
    about running software.

    I asked for an example discussion about manipulating DLLs to help install hardware, but of course that was ignored. Hardware installation is to do
    with INF files.

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  • From corvid@21:1/5 to All on Sun Jun 12 11:00:54 2022
    John Dope:
    This nym-shifting troll went off on a tangent about RUNNING PROGRAMS
    as opposed to INSTALLING HARDWARE, then it ignored my request to
    provide some citation about how manipulating a Windows system DLL
    file can somehow increase your chances of successfully installing a
    hardware.

    "Changing Windows' system files is a bad idea. Hopefully you restored
    the prior DLL after the "much longer version" failed. Otherwise, that
    sort of manipulation could be the problem."

    That's you, before I even entered the thread, advising the OP that
    replacing a dll with a different version could be the problem!

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From John Doe@21:1/5 to corvid on Sun Jun 12 18:30:27 2022
    But of course "that sort of manipulation" is about replacing system files
    when the original poster admittedly is not a skilled Windows user.

    This nym-shifting troll doesn't care about helping the original poster.
    Like Always Wrong and Edward "Porn Sucking" Hernandez, its goal is to
    disrupt.

    see also...
    =?UTF-8?Q?C=c3=b6rvid?= <bl_ckbirds.org> =?UTF-8?B?8J+QriBDb3dzIGFyZSBOaWNlIPCfkK4=?= <nice_cows.moo>
    Banders <snap_mailchute.com>
    Covid-19 <always.look_message.header>
    corvid <bl_ckb.ird>
    Corvid <bl_ckbirds.net>
    Corvid <bl_ckbirds.org>
    Cows Are Nice <cows_nice.moo>
    Cows are nice <moo_cows.org>
    Cows are Nice <nice_cows.moo>
    dogs <dogs_home.com>
    Great Pumpkin <pumpkin_patch.net>
    Jose Curvo <jcurvo_mymail.com>
    Local Favorite <how2recycle_palomar.info>
    Sea <freshness_coast.org>
    Standard Poodle <standard_poodle.com>
    triangles <build_home.com>
    and others...

    corvid <bl@ckb.ird> wrote:

    John Dope:
    This nym-shifting troll went off on a tangent about RUNNING PROGRAMS
    as opposed to INSTALLING HARDWARE, then it ignored my request to
    provide some citation about how manipulating a Windows system DLL
    file can somehow increase your chances of successfully installing a
    hardware.

    "Changing Windows' system files is a bad idea. Hopefully you restored
    the prior DLL after the "much longer version" failed. Otherwise, that
    sort of manipulation could be the problem."

    That's you, before I even entered the thread, advising the OP that
    replacing a dll with a different version could be the problem!


    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From John Doe@21:1/5 to dp@tgi-sci.com on Sun Jun 12 18:42:11 2022
    Dimiter_Popoff <dp@tgi-sci.com> wrote:

    Charlie+ wrote:

    Why not ask in an appropriate ng?
    microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
    Still active - you might get some sensible answers there! C+

    of course that's good advice.

    Oh I have seen answers on such groups and they are 100% useless,

    Try begging.

    of the kind unplug it and plug it again etc.

    That's because installing plug-and-play hardware is more of an art. We
    must assume a good Windows installation and your new hardware which
    obviously should be functional. That's why the suggestion will be
    "reinstall Windows".

    You said the only use is for that WebCam. You said you have been messing around, replacing system files. Given those two facts... The obvious
    advice is to reinstall Windows.

    I wish you would take that poster's good advice. And don't forget to
    include your "bigger DLL" troubleshooting. I'm serious. I would love to
    see what the response is. I've never heard of that, but we learn something
    new every day!

    Short of that, would be great if somebody could post a link to technical discussion about a "bigger DLL" file helping with a plug-and-play installation...

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From a a@21:1/5 to John Doe on Sun Jun 12 12:25:14 2022
    On Sunday, 12 June 2022 at 20:42:18 UTC+2, John Doe wrote:
    Dimiter_Popoff <d...@tgi-sci.com> wrote:

    Charlie+ wrote:

    Why not ask in an appropriate ng?
    microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
    Still active - you might get some sensible answers there! C+

    of course that's good advice.

    Oh I have seen answers on such groups and they are 100% useless,

    Try begging.

    of the kind unplug it and plug it again etc.

    That's because installing plug-and-play hardware is more of an art. We
    must assume a good Windows installation and your new hardware which
    obviously should be functional. That's why the suggestion will be
    "reinstall Windows".

    You said the only use is for that WebCam. You said you have been messing around, replacing system files. Given those two facts... The obvious
    advice is to reinstall Windows.

    I wish you would take that poster's good advice. And don't forget to
    include your "bigger DLL" troubleshooting. I'm serious. I would love to
    see what the response is. I've never heard of that, but we learn something new every day!

    Short of that, would be great if somebody could post a link to technical discussion about a "bigger DLL" file helping with a plug-and-play installation...
    stop fooling poor guys
    USB 2.0 cannot support full HD camera, since has limit on data transfer.

    He needs to install USB 3.0 PCI controller supported by Win XP to make things to work

    Easy question
    Easy solution

    There is no need to reinstall Windows XP

    Just buy usb 3.0 PCI controller supported by Windows XP

    Never let trolls to fool you
    since millions already solved the same problem.

    In theory you can buy Full HD camera with built-in video compression to work with USB 2.0
    but in practice , you are never sure, which camera to select and buy,
    since Microsoft officially rejected to support Windows XP many years ago.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From John Doe@21:1/5 to a a on Sun Jun 12 20:01:57 2022
    a a <manta103g@gmail.com> wrote:

    John Doe wrote:
    Dimiter_Popoff wrote:
    Charlie+ wrote:

    Why not ask in an appropriate ng? microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
    Still active - you might get some sensible answers there! C+

    of course that's good advice.

    Oh I have seen answers on such groups and they are 100% useless,

    Try begging.

    of the kind unplug it and plug it again etc.

    That's because installing plug-and-play hardware is more of an art. We
    must assume a good Windows installation and your new hardware which
    obviously should be functional. That's why the suggestion will be
    "reinstall Windows".

    You said the only use is for that WebCam. You said you have been
    messing around, replacing system files. Given those two facts... The
    obvious advice is to reinstall Windows.

    I wish you would take that poster's good advice. And don't forget to
    include your "bigger DLL" troubleshooting. I'm serious. I would love to
    see what the response is. I've never heard of that, but we learn
    something new every day!

    Short of that, would be great if somebody could post a link to
    technical discussion about a "bigger DLL" file helping with a
    plug-and-play installation...

    stop fooling poor guys

    The OP's camera "works with Windows XP".

    USB 2.0 cannot support full HD camera, since has limit on data transfer.

    Interesting point, the USB is suspect, but we are talking about
    INSTALLATION.

    He needs to install USB 3.0 PCI controller supported by Win XP to make
    things to work

    Easy question Easy solution

    On a laptop?

    There is no need to reinstall Windows XP

    Won't hurt since that's the only use for the laptop.

    Just buy usb 3.0 PCI controller supported by Windows XP

    And stick it in the laptop? Where?

    https://forums.tomshardware.com/threads/does-windows-xp-support-usb-3-0.2678086/

    "Some laptops have a USB 3.0 driver available for windows XP you would
    need to look on the support page for the laptop"

    That might be a lead for better performance. It might even help with the installation, who knows.

    Going to the laptop's website to get its drivers is important. Do that
    before and/or after you reinstalling Windows (maybe before applying the
    service packs).

    Microsoft officially rejected to support Windows XP many years ago.

    The poster has the brain-cell-killing anti-American virus.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From a a@21:1/5 to John Doe on Sun Jun 12 13:51:46 2022
    On Sunday, 12 June 2022 at 22:02:05 UTC+2, John Doe wrote:
    a a <mant...@gmail.com> wrote:

    John Doe wrote:
    Dimiter_Popoff wrote:
    Charlie+ wrote:

    Why not ask in an appropriate ng? microsoft.public.windowsxp.general >> >> Still active - you might get some sensible answers there! C+

    of course that's good advice.

    Oh I have seen answers on such groups and they are 100% useless,

    Try begging.

    of the kind unplug it and plug it again etc.

    That's because installing plug-and-play hardware is more of an art. We
    must assume a good Windows installation and your new hardware which
    obviously should be functional. That's why the suggestion will be
    "reinstall Windows".

    You said the only use is for that WebCam. You said you have been
    messing around, replacing system files. Given those two facts... The
    obvious advice is to reinstall Windows.

    I wish you would take that poster's good advice. And don't forget to
    include your "bigger DLL" troubleshooting. I'm serious. I would love to >> see what the response is. I've never heard of that, but we learn
    something new every day!

    Short of that, would be great if somebody could post a link to
    technical discussion about a "bigger DLL" file helping with a
    plug-and-play installation...

    stop fooling poor guys
    The OP's camera "works with Windows XP".
    USB 2.0 cannot support full HD camera, since has limit on data transfer.
    Interesting point, the USB is suspect, but we are talking about INSTALLATION.
    He needs to install USB 3.0 PCI controller supported by Win XP to make things to work

    Easy question Easy solution
    On a laptop?
    There is no need to reinstall Windows XP
    Won't hurt since that's the only use for the laptop.
    Just buy usb 3.0 PCI controller supported by Windows XP
    And stick it in the laptop? Where?

    https://forums.tomshardware.com/threads/does-windows-xp-support-usb-3-0.2678086/

    "Some laptops have a USB 3.0 driver available for windows XP you would
    need to look on the support page for the laptop"

    That might be a lead for better performance. It might even help with the installation, who knows.

    Going to the laptop's website to get its drivers is important. Do that before and/or after you reinstalling Windows (maybe before applying the service packs).
    Microsoft officially rejected to support Windows XP many years ago.
    The poster has the brain-cell-killing anti-American virus.

    ===Just buy usb 3.0 PCI controller supported by Windows XP
    And stick it in the laptop? Where?

    are you sick or blind ?

    2 Ports USB 3.0 5Gbps PCI 34mm Slot Express Card for Laptop / Notebook


    https://alexnld.com/product/2-ports-usb-3-0-5gbps-pci-34mm-slot-express-card-for-laptop-notebook/

    USB 3.0 PCI Express Card Adapter 5Gbps Dual 2 Ports HUB PCI 54mm Slot ExpressCard PCMCIA Converter For Laptop Notebook
    1 order
    £5.72

    https://www.aliexpress.com/item/2025973947.html

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From John Doe@21:1/5 to a a on Sun Jun 12 21:42:14 2022
    a a <manta103g@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Sunday, 12 June 2022 at 22:02:05 UTC+2, John Doe wrote:
    a a <mant...@gmail.com> wrote:

    John Doe wrote:
    Dimiter_Popoff wrote:
    Charlie+ wrote:

    Why not ask in an appropriate ng? microsoft.public.windowsxp.genera
    l
    Still active - you might get some sensible answers there! C+

    of course that's good advice.

    Oh I have seen answers on such groups and they are 100% useless,

    Try begging.

    of the kind unplug it and plug it again etc.

    That's because installing plug-and-play hardware is more of an art. We

    must assume a good Windows installation and your new hardware which
    obviously should be functional. That's why the suggestion will be
    "reinstall Windows".

    You said the only use is for that WebCam. You said you have been
    messing around, replacing system files. Given those two facts... The

    obvious advice is to reinstall Windows.

    I wish you would take that poster's good advice. And don't forget to

    include your "bigger DLL" troubleshooting. I'm serious. I would love t
    o
    see what the response is. I've never heard of that, but we learn
    something new every day!

    Short of that, would be great if somebody could post a link to
    technical discussion about a "bigger DLL" file helping with a
    plug-and-play installation...

    stop fooling poor guys
    The OP's camera "works with Windows XP".
    USB 2.0 cannot support full HD camera, since has limit on data transfer
    .
    Interesting point, the USB is suspect, but we are talking about
    INSTALLATION.
    He needs to install USB 3.0 PCI controller supported by Win XP to make

    things to work

    Easy question Easy solution
    On a laptop?
    There is no need to reinstall Windows XP
    Won't hurt since that's the only use for the laptop.
    Just buy usb 3.0 PCI controller supported by Windows XP
    And stick it in the laptop? Where?

    https://forums.tomshardware.com/threads/does-windows-xp-support-usb-3-0.2
    678086/

    "Some laptops have a USB 3.0 driver available for windows XP you would
    need to look on the support page for the laptop"

    That might be a lead for better performance. It might even help with the

    installation, who knows.

    Going to the laptop's website to get its drivers is important. Do that
    before and/or after you reinstalling Windows (maybe before applying the

    service packs).
    Microsoft officially rejected to support Windows XP many years ago.
    The poster has the brain-cell-killing anti-American virus.

    are you sick or blind ?


    2 Ports USB 3.0 5Gbps PCI 34mm Slot Express Card for Laptop / Notebook


    https://alexnld.com/product/2-ports-usb-3-0-5gbps-pci-34mm-slot-express-
    card-for-laptop-notebook/

    USB 3.0 PCI Express Card Adapter 5Gbps Dual 2 Ports HUB PCI 54mm Slot
    ExpressCard PCMCIA Converter For Laptop Notebook
    1 order
    £5.72

    https://www.aliexpress.com/item/2025973947.html

    Pretending that is a "PCI controller" and we have a performance problem (not
    an installation problem)...

    The reviews are discouraging. You need one with a supplemental power plug.

    Seems USB flash drive transfer rates go from about 40 MB per second to about
    60 MB per second. On my PC, it's ~1 GB per second.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From a a@21:1/5 to John Doe on Sun Jun 12 14:51:22 2022
    On Sunday, 12 June 2022 at 23:42:20 UTC+2, John Doe wrote:
    a a <mant...@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Sunday, 12 June 2022 at 22:02:05 UTC+2, John Doe wrote:
    a a <mant...@gmail.com> wrote:

    John Doe wrote:
    Dimiter_Popoff wrote:
    Charlie+ wrote:

    Why not ask in an appropriate ng? microsoft.public.windowsxp.genera
    l
    Still active - you might get some sensible answers there! C+

    of course that's good advice.

    Oh I have seen answers on such groups and they are 100% useless,

    Try begging.

    of the kind unplug it and plug it again etc.

    That's because installing plug-and-play hardware is more of an art. We

    must assume a good Windows installation and your new hardware which
    obviously should be functional. That's why the suggestion will be
    "reinstall Windows".

    You said the only use is for that WebCam. You said you have been
    messing around, replacing system files. Given those two facts... The

    obvious advice is to reinstall Windows.

    I wish you would take that poster's good advice. And don't forget to

    include your "bigger DLL" troubleshooting. I'm serious. I would love t
    o
    see what the response is. I've never heard of that, but we learn
    something new every day!

    Short of that, would be great if somebody could post a link to
    technical discussion about a "bigger DLL" file helping with a
    plug-and-play installation...

    stop fooling poor guys
    The OP's camera "works with Windows XP".
    USB 2.0 cannot support full HD camera, since has limit on data transfer
    .
    Interesting point, the USB is suspect, but we are talking about
    INSTALLATION.
    He needs to install USB 3.0 PCI controller supported by Win XP to make

    things to work

    Easy question Easy solution
    On a laptop?
    There is no need to reinstall Windows XP
    Won't hurt since that's the only use for the laptop.
    Just buy usb 3.0 PCI controller supported by Windows XP
    And stick it in the laptop? Where?

    https://forums.tomshardware.com/threads/does-windows-xp-support-usb-3-0.2
    678086/

    "Some laptops have a USB 3.0 driver available for windows XP you would
    need to look on the support page for the laptop"

    That might be a lead for better performance. It might even help with the

    installation, who knows.

    Going to the laptop's website to get its drivers is important. Do that
    before and/or after you reinstalling Windows (maybe before applying the

    service packs).
    Microsoft officially rejected to support Windows XP many years ago.
    The poster has the brain-cell-killing anti-American virus.
    are you sick or blind ?


    2 Ports USB 3.0 5Gbps PCI 34mm Slot Express Card for Laptop / Notebook


    https://alexnld.com/product/2-ports-usb-3-0-5gbps-pci-34mm-slot-express-
    card-for-laptop-notebook/

    USB 3.0 PCI Express Card Adapter 5Gbps Dual 2 Ports HUB PCI 54mm Slot
    ExpressCard PCMCIA Converter For Laptop Notebook
    1 order
    £5.72

    https://www.aliexpress.com/item/2025973947.html
    Pretending that is a "PCI controller" and we have a performance problem (not an installation problem)...

    The reviews are discouraging. You need one with a supplemental power plug.

    Seems USB flash drive transfer rates go from about 40 MB per second to about 60 MB per second. On my PC, it's ~1 GB per second.
    Pretending that is a "PCI controller"

    are you retarded ?

    Product Description

    1. Express Card to 2 USB 3.0 ports adapter.
    2. Providing speeds up to 10x faster than that of USB 2.0, this PCI Express USB 3.0 card enables you to access your data and transfer files much faster than USB 2.0, by adding 2 additional USB 3.0 ports to your advice.
    3. Featuring a native NEC PCI Express host controller chipset, the new USB3.0 standard supports transfer rates of up to 5Gbps, while still providing connectivity and support for the older USB 2.0 (High-Speed) and USB 1.1 (Full-Speed) devices.
    4. In addition to providing a much faster transfer rate the USB 3.0 card also supplies 900mA of power per USB port, allowing more and more external devices to operate without the need of an additional power source.
    5. Suitable for for Laptop / Notebook with 34mm Express Card Slot.
    6. Support Windows 2000 / XP / 2003 / 7 / 8, Vista, etc.

    3. Featuring a native NEC PCI Express host controller chipset,
    ==========

    You need one with a supplemental power plug.

    the USB 3.0 card also supplies 900mA of power per USB port, allowing more and more external devices to operate without the need of an additional power source.

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  • From corvid@21:1/5 to All on Sun Jun 12 14:59:42 2022
    On 6/10/22 07:31, Dimiter_Popoff wrote:
    On 6/10/2022 9:19, Charlie+ wrote:
    On Fri, 10 Jun 2022 02:33:43 +0300, Dimiter_Popoff
    <dp@tgi-sci.com> wrote as underneath :

    snip
    Why not ask in an appropriate ng?
    microsoft.public.windowsxp.general Still active - you might get
    some sensible answers there! C+

    Oh I have seen answers on such groups and they are 100% useless, of
    the kind unplug it and plug it again etc.

    If you get Paul's attention in alt.comp.os.windows-10, you'll get good information. He's on another level.

    Sadly, you'll see that John Dope is there.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From John Doe@21:1/5 to John Doe on Sun Jun 12 22:00:38 2022
    https://natec-zone.com/product/lori

    DOWNLOAD > Drivers

    One of those appears to be a firmware upgrade.
    See the README.






    John Doe <always.look@message.header> wrote:

    If the old camera not working is a hardware problem, it could as easily be the laptop. Maybe to do with the USB.

    Has the old camera been tried on a different computer? That test might take a while.

    Since the new camera works on a Windows 10 PC, then it's probably not the camera.

    I found nothing when searching for that camera plus "Windows XP".

    Reinstall Windows XP.

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  • From John Doe@21:1/5 to a a on Sun Jun 12 22:07:13 2022
    XPost: free.spam

    Even if it were usable to increase performance (not talking about installation),
    that's probably more than the original poster paid for the camera.

    Some troll...

    --
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    From: a a <manta103g@gmail.com>
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    On Sunday, 12 June 2022 at 23:42:20 UTC+2, John Doe wrote:
    a a <mant...@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Sunday, 12 June 2022 at 22:02:05 UTC+2, John Doe wrote:
    a a <mant...@gmail.com> wrote:

    John Doe wrote:
    Dimiter_Popoff wrote:
    Charlie+ wrote:

    Why not ask in an appropriate ng? microsoft.public.windowsxp.gen
    era
    l
    Still active - you might get some sensible answers there! C+

    of course that's good advice.

    Oh I have seen answers on such groups and they are 100% useless,


    Try begging.

    of the kind unplug it and plug it again etc.

    That's because installing plug-and-play hardware is more of an art.
    We

    must assume a good Windows installation and your new hardware which

    obviously should be functional. That's why the suggestion will be

    "reinstall Windows".

    You said the only use is for that WebCam. You said you have been
    messing around, replacing system files. Given those two facts... Th
    e

    obvious advice is to reinstall Windows.

    I wish you would take that poster's good advice. And don't forget t
    o

    include your "bigger DLL" troubleshooting. I'm serious. I would lov
    e t
    o
    see what the response is. I've never heard of that, but we learn
    something new every day!

    Short of that, would be great if somebody could post a link to
    technical discussion about a "bigger DLL" file helping with a
    plug-and-play installation...

    stop fooling poor guys
    The OP's camera "works with Windows XP".
    USB 2.0 cannot support full HD camera, since has limit on data trans
    fer
    .
    Interesting point, the USB is suspect, but we are talking about
    INSTALLATION.
    He needs to install USB 3.0 PCI controller supported by Win XP to ma
    ke

    things to work

    Easy question Easy solution
    On a laptop?
    There is no need to reinstall Windows XP
    Won't hurt since that's the only use for the laptop.
    Just buy usb 3.0 PCI controller supported by Windows XP
    And stick it in the laptop? Where?

    https://forums.tomshardware.com/threads/does-windows-xp-support-usb-3-
    0.2
    678086/

    "Some laptops have a USB 3.0 driver available for windows XP you would

    need to look on the support page for the laptop"

    That might be a lead for better performance. It might even help with t
    he

    installation, who knows.

    Going to the laptop's website to get its drivers is important. Do that

    before and/or after you reinstalling Windows (maybe before applying th
    e

    service packs).
    Microsoft officially rejected to support Windows XP many years ago.

    The poster has the brain-cell-killing anti-American virus.
    are you sick or blind ?


    2 Ports USB 3.0 5Gbps PCI 34mm Slot Express Card for Laptop / Notebook



    https://alexnld.com/product/2-ports-usb-3-0-5gbps-pci-34mm-slot-express
    -
    card-for-laptop-notebook/

    USB 3.0 PCI Express Card Adapter 5Gbps Dual 2 Ports HUB PCI 54mm Slot

    ExpressCard PCMCIA Converter For Laptop Notebook
    1 order
    5.72

    https://www.aliexpress.com/item/2025973947.html
    Pretending that is a "PCI controller" and we have a performance problem (
    not
    an installation problem)...

    The reviews are discouraging. You need one with a supplemental power plug
    .

    Seems USB flash drive transfer rates go from about 40 MB per second to ab
    out
    60 MB per second. On my PC, it's ~1 GB per second.
    Pretending that is a "PCI controller"

    are you retarded ?

    Product Description

    1. Express Card to 2 USB 3.0 ports adapter.
    2. Providing speeds up to 10x faster than that of USB 2.0, this PCI Express USB 3.0 card enables you to access your data and transfer files much faster than USB 2.0, by adding 2 additional USB 3.0 ports to your advice.
    3. Featuring a native NEC PCI Express host controller chipset, the new USB3.0 standard supports transfer rates of up to 5Gbps, while still providing connectivity and support for the older USB 2.0 (High-Speed) and USB 1.1 (Full-Speed) devices.
    4. In addition to providing a much faster transfer rate the USB 3.0 card also supplies 900mA of power per USB port, allowing more and more external devices to operate without the need of an additional power source.
    5. Suitable for for Laptop / Notebook with 34mm Express Card Slot.
    6. Support Windows 2000 / XP / 2003 / 7 / 8, Vista, etc.

    3. Featuring a native NEC PCI Express host controller chipset,
    =========
    You need one with a supplemental power plug.

    the USB 3.0 card also supplies 900mA of power per USB port, allowing more and more external devices to operate without the need of an additional power source.



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  • From a a@21:1/5 to All on Sun Jun 12 15:10:41 2022
    On Monday, 13 June 2022 at 00:07:19 UTC+2, John Doe wrote:
    <deleted>

    who cares your delusions

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From Edward Hernandez@21:1/5 to All on Sun Jun 12 22:09:44 2022
    XPost: free.spam

    In message-id <t6nt3e$7bp$3@dont-email.me> (http://al.howardknight.net/?ID=165357273000) posted Thu, 26 May 2022
    12:50:54 -0000 (UTC) John Dope stated:

    Always Wrong, the utterly foulmouthed group idiot, adding absolutely
    NOTHING but insults to this thread, as usual...

    Yet, since Wed, 5 Jan 2022 04:10:38 -0000 (UTC) John Dope's post ratio
    to USENET (**) has been 58.4% of its posts contributing "nothing except insults" to USENET.

    ** Since Wed, 5 Jan 2022 04:10:38 -0000 (UTC) John Dope has posted at
    least 1701 articles to USENET. Of which 173 have been pure insults and
    821 have been John Dope "troll format" postings.

    The John Dope troll stated the following in message-id <sdhn7c$pkp$4@dont-email.me>:

    The troll doesn't even know how to format a USENET post...

    And the John Dope troll stated the following in message-id <sg3kr7$qt5$1@dont-email.me>:

    The reason Bozo cannot figure out how to get Google to keep from
    breaking its lines in inappropriate places is because Bozo is
    CLUELESS...

    And yet, the clueless John Dope troll has continued to post incorrectly formatted USENET articles that are devoid of content (latest example on
    Sun, 12 Jun 2022 22:07:13 -0000 (UTC) in message-id <t85o2g$s64$3@dont-email.me>).

    NOBODY likes the John Doe troll's contentless spam.

    This posting is a public service announcement for any google groups
    readers who happen by to point out that John Doe does not even follow
    the rules it uses to troll other posters.

    /3n/uXLS7L2a

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From John Doe@21:1/5 to corvid on Sun Jun 12 22:53:50 2022
    corvid <bl@ckb.ird> wrote:

    Dimiter_Popoff wrote:
    Charlie+ wrote:

    Why not ask in an appropriate ng?
    microsoft.public.windowsxp.general Still active - you might get
    some sensible answers there! C+

    Oh I have seen answers on such groups and they are 100% useless, of
    the kind unplug it and plug it again etc.

    If you get Paul's attention in alt.comp.os.windows-10, you'll get good information. He's on another level.

    Sadly, you'll see that John Dope is there.

    I promise to stay out of it, as long as he pushes the idea of using a
    "much longer version of upnphosts.dll".

    Wow, there is no match on Google's search engine for "upnphosts.dll"
    except in this thread.

    What do DLLs have to do with installing hardware???

    Inquiring Dopes need to know!

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From John Doe@21:1/5 to John Doe on Sun Jun 12 23:16:34 2022
    John Doe <always.look@message.header> wrote:
    rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:

    corvid wrote:
    John Doe wrote:

    Don't know why it persists, but...

    I have had plenty of hardware installation problems. I've read
    plenty about hardware installation problems. I have never even
    heard of poking around for a "bigger" Windows DLL file that might
    solve a hardware installation problem.

    You're too stupid to find solutions.

    The nym-shifting troll is too stupid to realize we are talking about INSTALLING HARDWARE, not RUNNING PROGRAMS.

    John Dope, the self proclaimed "enthusaist", showing that it is itself
    too stupid to understand that hardware often needs a device driver
    (i.e., software to allow Windows to access the hardware) and that those
    device drivers are distributed as dll files. With the result that for
    hardware which needs a device driver, installing hardware necessitates
    running programs (running the software code in those dll files). And
    that "installing hardware" for which a device driver is necessary
    results in "installing software" (those device driver dll files).

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From John Doe@21:1/5 to John Doe on Sun Jun 12 23:41:36 2022
    XPost: free.spam

    Even if that were true, Eddie, device drivers are unnecessary for
    "RECOGNIZING" hardware. Hardware installation files are INF files.
    Hardware shows up in Windows without drivers.


    Eddie, the Astraweb porn-sucking retarded forger is flagging every off-topic post with idiotic spam.

    Eddie has never posted anything NORMAL except when it got a spanking...

    https://groups.google.com/g/sci.electronics.repair/c/MesPLcGU4BE

    See also...
    John Doe <always.look_message.header> (Astraweb, Aioe.org)
    Peter Weiner <dtgamer99_gmail.com>
    Edward H. <dtgamer99_gmail.com>
    Edward Hernandez <dtgamer99_gmail.com>

    Eddie is an example for all newbies. Don't get spanked!

    Spanked Eddie...

    --
    John Doe <always.look@message.header> wrote:

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    From: John Doe <always.look@message.header>
    Newsgroups: sci.electronics.design
    Subject: Re: OT: plug and pray webcam on windows xp
    Date: Sun, 12 Jun 2022 23:16:34 -0000 (UTC)
    Organization: A noiseless patient Spider
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    John Doe <always.look@message.header> wrote:
    rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:

    corvid wrote:
    John Doe wrote:

    Don't know why it persists, but...

    I have had plenty of hardware installation problems. I've read
    plenty about hardware installation problems. I have never even
    heard of poking around for a "bigger" Windows DLL file that might
    solve a hardware installation problem.

    You're too stupid to find solutions.

    The nym-shifting troll is too stupid to realize we are talking about
    INSTALLING HARDWARE, not RUNNING PROGRAMS.

    John Dope, the self proclaimed "enthusaist", showing that it is itself
    too stupid to understand that hardware often needs a device driver
    (i.e., software to allow Windows to access the hardware) and that those device drivers are distributed as dll files. With the result that for hardware which needs a device driver, installing hardware necessitates running programs (running the software code in those dll files). And
    that "installing hardware" for which a device driver is necessary
    results in "installing software" (those device driver dll files).



    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From Edward Hernandez@21:1/5 to All on Sun Jun 12 23:41:54 2022
    XPost: free.spam

    Further, John Doe stated the following in message-id <svsh05$lbh$5@dont-email.me>
    (http://al.howardknight.net/?ID=164904625100) posted Fri, 4 Mar 2022
    08:01:09 -0000 (UTC):

    Compared to other regulars, Bozo contributes practically nothing
    except insults to this group.

    Yet, since Wed, 5 Jan 2022 04:10:38 -0000 (UTC) John Doe's post ratio to
    USENET (**) has been 58.4% of its posts contributing "nothing except
    insults" to USENET.

    ** Since Wed, 5 Jan 2022 04:10:38 -0000 (UTC) John Doe has posted at
    least 1706 articles to USENET. Of which 173 have been pure insults and
    824 have been John Doe "troll format" postings.

    The Troll Doe stated the following in message-id
    <sdhn7c$pkp$4@dont-email.me>:

    The troll doesn't even know how to format a USENET post...

    And the Troll Doe stated the following in message-id <sg3kr7$qt5$1@dont-email.me>:

    The reason Bozo cannot figure out how to get Google to keep from
    breaking its lines in inappropriate places is because Bozo is
    CLUELESS...

    And yet, the clueless Troll Doe has continued to post incorrectly
    formatted USENET articles that are devoid of content (latest example on
    Sun, 12 Jun 2022 23:41:36 -0000 (UTC) in message-id <t85tjf$rk7$1@dont-email.me>).

    NOBODY likes the John Doe troll's contentless spam.

    This posting is a public service announcement for any google groups
    readers who happen by to point out that John Dope does not even follow
    the rules it uses to troll other posters.

    DbL+FB6UX+mB

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From corvid@21:1/5 to All on Sun Jun 12 17:17:29 2022
    John Dope:
    https://natec-zone.com/product/lori

    That's the same link that the OP posted at the start.

    DOWNLOAD > Drivers

    "There are no items that meet the following criteria", every time. But
    there's no criteria shown. uBlock Origin might be ruining it, huh?

    Linux is supported, I see. This is looking like a very easy decision.

    One of those appears to be a firmware upgrade. See the README.

    uBlock Origin might be ruining it.
    Does the readme say to upgrade the firmware after you have reinstalled
    Windows XP and all the updates, Service Pack 3 or whatever?

    John Doe <always.look@message.header> wrote:

    If the old camera not working is a hardware problem, it could as
    easily be the laptop. Maybe to do with the USB.

    Has the old camera been tried on a different computer? That test
    might take a while.

    Since the new camera works on a Windows 10 PC, then it's probably
    not the camera.

    I found nothing when searching for that camera plus "Windows XP".

    Reinstall Windows XP.

    You forgot to snip your crummy suggestion to reinstall Windows XP.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From John Doe@21:1/5 to corvid on Mon Jun 13 00:37:44 2022
    XPost: free.spam

    There are three files for download, all of them download just fine.

    There is a firmware upgrade, a brochure (IIRC), and a few sales pictures.

    Maybe this nym-shifting troll's browser is messed up.

    OR maybe it doesn't have the skill to use a Mac, either.

    see also...
    =?UTF-8?Q?C=c3=b6rvid?= <bl_ckbirds.org> =?UTF-8?B?8J+QriBDb3dzIGFyZSBOaWNlIPCfkK4=?= <nice_cows.moo>
    Banders <snap_mailchute.com>
    Covid-19 <always.look_message.header>
    corvid <bl_ckb.ird>
    Corvid <bl_ckbirds.net>
    Corvid <bl_ckbirds.org>
    Cows Are Nice <cows_nice.moo>
    Cows are nice <moo_cows.org>
    Cows are Nice <nice_cows.moo>
    dogs <dogs_home.com>
    Great Pumpkin <pumpkin_patch.net>
    Jose Curvo <jcurvo_mymail.com>
    Local Favorite <how2recycle_palomar.info>
    Sea <freshness_coast.org>
    Standard Poodle <standard_poodle.com>
    triangles <build_home.com>
    and others...

    --
    corvid <bl@ckb.ird> wrote:

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    From: corvid <bl@ckb.ird>
    Newsgroups: sci.electronics.design
    Subject: Re: OT: plug and pray webcam on windows xp
    Date: Sun, 12 Jun 2022 17:17:29 -0700
    Organization: The 27 Club
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    John Dope:
    https://natec-zone.com/product/lori

    That's the same link that the OP posted at the start.

    DOWNLOAD > Drivers

    "There are no items that meet the following criteria", every time. But there's no criteria shown. uBlock Origin might be ruining it, huh?

    Linux is supported, I see. This is looking like a very easy decision.

    One of those appears to be a firmware upgrade. See the README.

    uBlock Origin might be ruining it.
    Does the readme say to upgrade the firmware after you have reinstalled Windows XP and all the updates, Service Pack 3 or whatever?

    John Doe <always.look@message.header> wrote:

    If the old camera not working is a hardware problem, it could as
    easily be the laptop. Maybe to do with the USB.

    Has the old camera been tried on a different computer? That test
    might take a while.

    Since the new camera works on a Windows 10 PC, then it's probably
    not the camera.

    I found nothing when searching for that camera plus "Windows XP".

    Reinstall Windows XP.

    You forgot to snip your crummy suggestion to reinstall Windows XP.



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  • From Edward Hernandez@21:1/5 to All on Mon Jun 13 00:39:05 2022
    XPost: free.spam

    In message-id <t6nt3e$7bp$3@dont-email.me> (http://al.howardknight.net/?ID=165357273000) posted Thu, 26 May 2022
    12:50:54 -0000 (UTC) John Doe stated:

    Always Wrong, the utterly foulmouthed group idiot, adding absolutely
    NOTHING but insults to this thread, as usual...

    Yet, since Wed, 5 Jan 2022 04:10:38 -0000 (UTC) John Doe's post ratio to
    USENET (**) has been 58.5% of its posts contributing "nothing except
    insults" to USENET.

    ** Since Wed, 5 Jan 2022 04:10:38 -0000 (UTC) John Doe has posted at
    least 1709 articles to USENET. Of which 173 have been pure insults and
    827 have been John Doe "troll format" postings.

    The Troll Doe stated the following in message-id
    <sdhn7c$pkp$4@dont-email.me>:

    The troll doesn't even know how to format a USENET post...

    And the Troll Doe stated the following in message-id <sg3kr7$qt5$1@dont-email.me>:

    The reason Bozo cannot figure out how to get Google to keep from
    breaking its lines in inappropriate places is because Bozo is
    CLUELESS...

    And yet, the clueless Troll Doe has itself posted yet another
    incorrectly formatted USENET posting on Mon, 13 Jun 2022 00:37:44 -0000
    (UTC) in message-id <t860sn$mrk$1@dont-email.me>.

    u8OvtMwSWin0

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  • From John Doe@21:1/5 to corvid on Mon Jun 13 01:10:19 2022
    XPost: free.spam

    Now we've got that monumental task done.

    Try to find it related to an installation.

    We're getting there...



    --
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    From: corvid <bl@ckb.ird>
    Newsgroups: sci.electronics.design
    Subject: Re: OT: plug and pray webcam on windows xp
    Date: Sun, 12 Jun 2022 17:53:27 -0700
    Organization: The 27 Club
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    6/12/22, 15:53, John Dope:

    Wow, there is no match on Google's search engine for "upnphosts.dll"
    except in this thread.

    Could be your browser is messed up. First, reinstall Windows.



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  • From John Doe@21:1/5 to All on Mon Jun 13 01:07:39 2022
    Yep, for some strange reason, removing the quotes allows Google's search
    engine to find information about "upnphosts.dll" in Windows XP.

    Easy to understand why the original poster is confused about that being important, but it has nothing to do with RECOGNIZING the hardware. Plug-and-play devices are hardware just like every other piece of
    hardware. They all require an INF file for configuration.

    allintext:upnphosts (installation OR webcam)

    Brings up nothing except this thread.

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  • From corvid@21:1/5 to All on Sun Jun 12 17:38:41 2022
    6/12/22, 15:53, John Dope:

    Wow, there is no match on Google's search engine for "upnphosts.dll"
    except in this thread.

    https://duckduckgo.com/?q=upnphosts.dll&ia=web

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  • From corvid@21:1/5 to All on Sun Jun 12 17:53:27 2022
    6/12/22, 15:53, John Dope:

    Wow, there is no match on Google's search engine for "upnphosts.dll"
    except in this thread.

    Could be your browser is messed up. First, reinstall Windows.

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  • From John Doe@21:1/5 to All on Mon Jun 13 01:12:46 2022
    Try to find ANY DLL file related to the RECOGNITION of hardware...

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  • From corvid@21:1/5 to All on Sun Jun 12 18:22:14 2022
    6/12/22, 17:37, John Dope:
    There are three files for download, all of them download just fine.

    There is one file, Drivers.zip

    There is a firmware upgrade, a brochure (IIRC), and a few sales
    pictures.

    Perhaps inside the ONE file, Drivers.zip

    Maybe this nym-shifting troll's browser is messed up.

    The site is messed up.
    Top of the page, SUPPORT->DOWNLOAD->DRIVERS->There are no items that
    meet the following criteria

    OR maybe it doesn't have the skill to use a Mac, either.

    Not yet, after 7 months. I hate the menu bars being across the very top
    of the screen, rather than part of a program's window. Launchpad icons
    can't be sorted well, it's like playing Rubiks Cube.

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  • From Edward Hernandez@21:1/5 to All on Mon Jun 13 01:18:53 2022
    XPost: free.spam

    In message-id <t6nt3e$7bp$3@dont-email.me> (http://al.howardknight.net/?ID=165357273000) posted Thu, 26 May 2022
    12:50:54 -0000 (UTC) John Doe stated:

    Always Wrong, the utterly foulmouthed group idiot, adding absolutely
    NOTHING but insults to this thread, as usual...

    Yet, since Wed, 5 Jan 2022 04:10:38 -0000 (UTC) John Doe's post ratio to
    USENET (**) has been 58.5% of its posts contributing "nothing except
    insults" to USENET.

    ** Since Wed, 5 Jan 2022 04:10:38 -0000 (UTC) John Doe has posted at
    least 1713 articles to USENET. Of which 173 have been pure insults and
    829 have been John Doe "troll format" postings.

    The Troll Doe stated the following in message-id
    <sdhn7c$pkp$4@dont-email.me>:

    The troll doesn't even know how to format a USENET post...

    And the Troll Doe stated the following in message-id <sg3kr7$qt5$1@dont-email.me>:

    The reason Bozo cannot figure out how to get Google to keep from
    breaking its lines in inappropriate places is because Bozo is
    CLUELESS...

    And yet, the clueless Troll Doe has continued to post incorrectly
    formatted USENET articles that are devoid of content (latest example on
    Mon, 13 Jun 2022 01:10:19 -0000 (UTC) in message-id <t862pr$28b$2@dont-email.me>).

    NOBODY likes the John Doe troll's contentless spam.

    This posting is a public service announcement for any google groups
    readers who happen by to point out that Troll Doe does not even follow
    the rules it uses to troll other posters.

    SffqeeoBbpwi

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  • From John Doe@21:1/5 to All on Mon Jun 13 01:33:23 2022
    Shirley Safari has a search function in its browser?

    Some unskilled users must be taught to SCROLL DOWN and READ before
    continuing to frantically click the mouse.

    Search for "DOWNLOAD" and look to see if there is more than one hit. The firmware, brochure, and sales pictures downloads are near the Footer. The Footer is at the bottom of the page.

    The exact (two word) path that the nym-shifting troll snipped...

    DOWNLOAD > Drivers

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  • From corvid@21:1/5 to All on Sun Jun 12 18:52:12 2022
    6/12/22, 18:33, John Dope:
    Shirley Safari has a search function in its browser?

    Don't know, never use it.

    Spotlight is impressive, and not limited to any particular browser or to
    net searches.
    55lb = 24.95 kilograms

    Some unskilled users must be taught to SCROLL DOWN and READ before
    continuing to frantically click the mouse.

    Search for "DOWNLOAD" and look to see if there is more than one hit.
    The firmware, brochure, and sales pictures downloads are near the
    Footer. The Footer is at the bottom of the page.

    The exact (two word) path that the nym-shifting troll snipped...

    DOWNLOAD > Drivers

    Not hunting down through the page when what I'm looking for is offered
    right at the top.

    The site is messed up, unquestionably, as I described it.

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  • From corvid@21:1/5 to All on Sun Jun 12 19:06:17 2022
    6/12/22, 18:07, John Dope:
    Yep, for some strange reason, removing the quotes allows Google's
    search engine to find information about "upnphosts.dll" in Windows
    XP.

    You can't even use Google!

    Easy to understand why the original poster is confused about that
    being important, but it has nothing to do with RECOGNIZING the
    hardware. Plug-and-play devices are hardware

    You ignorant dope.
    https://www.lifewire.com/universal-plug-and-play-4153001

    just like every other piece of hardware. They all require an INF file
    for configuration.

    allintext:upnphosts (installation OR webcam)

    Brings up nothing except this thread.

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  • From John Doe@21:1/5 to All on Mon Jun 13 02:34:28 2022
    Universal Plug And Play (UPnP) has nothing to do with RECOGNIZING or
    DRIVING hardware. The term "Discover" has to do with COMMUNICATIONS
    between devices, not about Windows RECOGNIZING a device.

    https://www.lifewire.com/plug-and-play-4152995

    What Is Plug and Play?

    Plug and Play-not to be confused with Universal Plug and Play (UPnP)-is a
    set of operating system standards that enable hardware connectivity
    through automatic device detection and configuration. Before Plug and
    Play, users had to manually change complex settings (for example, dip
    switches, jumper blocks, I/O addresses, IRQ, and DMA) for hardware to
    function correctly. Such manual configuration is the fallback option with
    Plug and Play functionality. It may be turned to when a device is not recognized or automatically engaged.

    I used to do that stuff...

    "Your soundcard is working perfectly!"

    I don't know what files are involved with Windows' plug-and-play. Unlikely
    DLLs have anything to do with it, it's all about INF files. Probably a
    huge collection of text files. Hardware makers write and then give their
    INF files to Microsoft.

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  • From corvid@21:1/5 to All on Sun Jun 12 19:48:47 2022
    6/12/22, 19:34, John Dope:
    Universal Plug And Play (UPnP) has nothing to do with RECOGNIZING or
    DRIVING hardware. The term "Discover" has to do with COMMUNICATIONS
    between devices, not about Windows RECOGNIZING a device.

    https://www.lifewire.com/plug-and-play-4152995

    What Is Plug and Play?

    Plug and Play-not to be confused with Universal Plug and Play (UPnP)

    Don't copy/paste to us now, dope. The OP mentioned finding a different upnphosts.dll and you've been mixing that up with pnp throughout this
    thread.

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  • From John Doe@21:1/5 to corvid on Mon Jun 13 02:57:18 2022
    XPost: free.spam

    The reason the original poster was looking for a UPNP DLL file is because
    it was confused about why Windows was not recognizing its WebCam.

    Then this nym-shifting troll came along and started blabbing about DLL
    files necessary for running programs, which has nothing to do with Windows RECOGNIZING a device.

    Methinks this nym-shifting troll is drunk...

    see also...
    =?UTF-8?Q?C=c3=b6rvid?= <bl_ckbirds.org> =?UTF-8?B?8J+QriBDb3dzIGFyZSBOaWNlIPCfkK4=?= <nice_cows.moo>
    Banders <snap_mailchute.com>
    Covid-19 <always.look_message.header>
    corvid <bl_ckb.ird>
    Corvid <bl_ckbirds.net>
    Corvid <bl_ckbirds.org>
    Cows Are Nice <cows_nice.moo>
    Cows are nice <moo_cows.org>
    Cows are Nice <nice_cows.moo>
    dogs <dogs_home.com>
    Great Pumpkin <pumpkin_patch.net>
    Jose Curvo <jcurvo_mymail.com>
    Local Favorite <how2recycle_palomar.info>
    Sea <freshness_coast.org>
    Standard Poodle <standard_poodle.com>
    triangles <build_home.com>
    and others...

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    From: corvid <bl@ckb.ird>
    Newsgroups: sci.electronics.design
    Subject: Re: OT: plug and pray webcam on windows xp
    Date: Sun, 12 Jun 2022 19:48:47 -0700
    Organization: The 27 Club
    Message-ID: <t868ig$qmr$1@gioia.aioe.org>
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    6/12/22, 19:34, John Dope:
    Universal Plug And Play (UPnP) has nothing to do with RECOGNIZING or
    DRIVING hardware. The term "Discover" has to do with COMMUNICATIONS
    between devices, not about Windows RECOGNIZING a device.

    https://www.lifewire.com/plug-and-play-4152995

    What Is Plug and Play?

    Plug and Play-not to be confused with Universal Plug and Play (UPnP)

    Don't copy/paste to us now, dope. The OP mentioned finding a different upnphosts.dll and you've been mixing that up with pnp throughout this
    thread.



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  • From Edward Hernandez@21:1/5 to All on Mon Jun 13 03:15:36 2022
    XPost: free.spam

    In message-id <t6nt3e$7bp$3@dont-email.me> (http://al.howardknight.net/?ID=165357273000) posted Thu, 26 May 2022
    12:50:54 -0000 (UTC) John Dope stated:

    Always Wrong, the utterly foulmouthed group idiot, adding absolutely
    NOTHING but insults to this thread, as usual...

    Yet, since Wed, 5 Jan 2022 04:10:38 -0000 (UTC) John Dope's post ratio
    to USENET (**) has been 58.6% of its posts contributing "nothing except insults" to USENET.

    ** Since Wed, 5 Jan 2022 04:10:38 -0000 (UTC) John Dope has posted at
    least 1718 articles to USENET. Of which 173 have been pure insults and
    833 have been John Dope "troll format" postings.

    The John Doe troll stated the following in message-id <sdhn7c$pkp$4@dont-email.me>:

    The troll doesn't even know how to format a USENET post...

    And the John Doe troll stated the following in message-id <sg3kr7$qt5$1@dont-email.me>:

    The reason Bozo cannot figure out how to get Google to keep from
    breaking its lines in inappropriate places is because Bozo is
    CLUELESS...

    And yet, the clueless John Doe troll has itself posted yet another
    incorrectly formatted USENET posting on Mon, 13 Jun 2022 02:57:18 -0000
    (UTC) in message-id <t8692d$6m3$1@dont-email.me>.

    This posting is a public service announcement for any google groups
    readers who happen by to point out that Troll Doe does not even follow
    the rules it uses to troll other posters.

    IopaL5mkRndn

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  • From corvid@21:1/5 to lying John Dope on Sun Jun 12 22:16:10 2022
    6/12/22, 19:57, lying John Dope writes:
    The reason the original poster was looking for a UPNP DLL file

    He never said that's what he was looking for.

    is because it was confused about why Windows was not recognizing its
    WebCam.

    Obviously! He and everyone else.

    Then this nym-shifting troll came along and started blabbing about
    DLL files necessary for running programs,

    Wasn't me, YOU started blabbing about them:

    "Hopefully you restored the prior DLL after the "much longer version"
    failed. Otherwise, that sort of manipulation could be the problem."


    So I posted a followup, to YOUR blab, with a few words about why we find different versions of the supposedly same dll, and how the 'right' one
    for a task here may mean you sacrifice something somewhere else:

    "Software makers often enough include their own versions of dlls, using
    the same name as everyone else's version, with no concern about breaking another program that was already there before its dll got overwritten."

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  • From DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno@decadenc@21:1/5 to John Dope on Tue Jun 14 21:31:48 2022
    John Dope <always.look@message.header> wrote in news:t85c23$8rp$2@dont- email.me:

    That's because installing plug-and-play hardware is more of an art.

    Maybe you should learn the definitions of a few words you seem to
    have completely morphed your brain on. Like "art".

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  • From DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno@decadenc@21:1/5 to John Dope on Tue Jun 14 21:35:01 2022
    John Dope <always.look@message.header> wrote in news:t85c23$8rp$2@dont- email.me:

    We
    must assume a good Windows installation and your new hardware which
    obviously should be functional. That's why the suggestion will be
    "reinstall Windows".

    If you are assuming it is a "good installation" then where is the
    benefit of "re-installation"? A very long, time consuming, settings
    deleting mess. Not to mention the lack of any MS support for the many
    needed files upon installation.

    John Dope is not very bright.

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  • From John Doe@21:1/5 to DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno@decadenc on Tue Jun 14 21:48:34 2022
    XPost: free.spam

    Once again, the reactionary foulmouthed group idiot, a.k.a. Always Wrong,
    acts like it's off its meds again, insulting and threatening others in
    this group, as it has for many years...

    --
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    From: DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno@decadence.org
    Newsgroups: sci.electronics.design
    Subject: Re: OT: plug and pray webcam on windows xp
    Date: Tue, 14 Jun 2022 21:40:11 -0000 (UTC)
    Organization: Aioe.org NNTP Server
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    John Dope <always.look@message.header> wrote in news:t85gnl$cok$1@dont- email.me:

    The poster has the brain-cell-killing anti-American virus.


    You're an abject idiot.

    Instead of you just croaking, I would invite a violent end for you.
    After all, an angry fucktard like you deserves a little excruciating
    karmic dogma before you go.


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  • From DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno@decadenc@21:1/5 to corvid on Tue Jun 14 21:45:32 2022
    corvid <bl@ckb.ird> wrote in news:t85nke$6uj$1@gioia.aioe.org:

    On 6/10/22 07:31, Dimiter_Popoff wrote:
    On 6/10/2022 9:19, Charlie+ wrote:
    On Fri, 10 Jun 2022 02:33:43 +0300, Dimiter_Popoff
    <dp@tgi-sci.com> wrote as underneath :

    snip
    Why not ask in an appropriate ng?
    microsoft.public.windowsxp.general Still active - you might get
    some sensible answers there! C+

    Oh I have seen answers on such groups and they are 100% useless,
    of the kind unplug it and plug it again etc.

    If you get Paul's attention in alt.comp.os.windows-10, you'll get
    good information. He's on another level.

    Sadly, you'll see that John Dope is there.


    Oh geez... lemmie guess... he thinks he is a computer wiz?

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  • From John Doe@21:1/5 to DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno@decadenc on Tue Jun 14 21:52:22 2022
    The stock market is lower than when Joseph Biden took office...


    DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno@decadence.org wrote:

    corvid <bl@ckb.ird> wrote in news:t85nke$6uj$1@gioia.aioe.org:

    On 6/10/22 07:31, Dimiter_Popoff wrote:
    On 6/10/2022 9:19, Charlie+ wrote:
    On Fri, 10 Jun 2022 02:33:43 +0300, Dimiter_Popoff
    <dp@tgi-sci.com> wrote as underneath :

    snip
    Why not ask in an appropriate ng?
    microsoft.public.windowsxp.general Still active - you might get
    some sensible answers there! C+

    Oh I have seen answers on such groups and they are 100% useless,
    of the kind unplug it and plug it again etc.

    If you get Paul's attention in alt.comp.os.windows-10, you'll get
    good information. He's on another level.

    Sadly, you'll see that John Dope is there.


    Oh geez... lemmie guess... he thinks he is a computer wiz?


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  • From Edward Hernandez@21:1/5 to All on Tue Jun 14 21:56:17 2022
    XPost: free.spam

    In message-id <t6nt3e$7bp$3@dont-email.me> (http://al.howardknight.net/?ID=165357273000) posted Thu, 26 May 2022
    12:50:54 -0000 (UTC) John Dope stated:

    Always Wrong, the utterly foulmouthed group idiot, adding absolutely
    NOTHING but insults to this thread, as usual...

    Yet, since Wed, 5 Jan 2022 04:10:38 -0000 (UTC) John Dope's post ratio
    to USENET (**) has been 59.0% of its posts contributing "nothing except insults" to USENET.

    ** Since Wed, 5 Jan 2022 04:10:38 -0000 (UTC) John Dope has posted at
    least 1760 articles to USENET. Of which 173 have been pure insults and
    865 have been John Dope "troll format" postings.

    The John Doe troll stated the following in message-id <sdhn7c$pkp$4@dont-email.me>:

    The troll doesn't even know how to format a USENET post...

    And the John Doe troll stated the following in message-id <sg3kr7$qt5$1@dont-email.me>:

    The reason Bozo cannot figure out how to get Google to keep from
    breaking its lines in inappropriate places is because Bozo is
    CLUELESS...

    And yet, the clueless John Doe troll has itself posted yet another
    incorrectly formatted USENET posting on Tue, 14 Jun 2022 21:48:34 -0000
    (UTC) in message-id <t8avnh$54k$1@dont-email.me>.

    0AeJlxuuEHVZ

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  • From DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno@decadenc@21:1/5 to John Dope on Tue Jun 14 21:40:11 2022
    John Dope <always.look@message.header> wrote in news:t85gnl$cok$1@dont- email.me:

    The poster has the brain-cell-killing anti-American virus.


    You're an abject idiot.

    Instead of you just croaking, I would invite a violent end for you.
    After all, an angry fucktard like you deserves a little excruciating
    karmic dogma before you go.

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  • From DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno@decadenc@21:1/5 to John Doe on Tue Jun 14 21:43:20 2022
    John Doe <always.look@message.header> wrote in
    news:t85mjl$s64$1@dont-email.me:

    Pretending that is a "PCI controller" and we have a performance
    problem (not an installation problem)...

    You are mumbling, again... boy.

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  • From corvid@21:1/5 to DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno@decadenc on Tue Jun 14 19:14:35 2022
    On 6/14/22 14:45, DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno@decadence.org wrote:
    corvid <bl@ckb.ird> wrote in news:t85nke$6uj$1@gioia.aioe.org:

    If you get Paul's attention in alt.comp.os.windows-10, you'll get
    good information. He's on another level.

    Sadly, you'll see that John Dope is there.

    Oh geez... lemmie guess... he thinks he is a computer wiz?

    Same as he becomes a scientist over here.

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