• internal nodes GRRRRR

    From jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com@21:1/5 to All on Sat May 28 09:32:41 2022
    Some LT Spice models have invisible internal nodes that are hard
    ground. So you can't float them off ground.

    LTC4444 mosfet driver for example, half-bridge with + and - power
    rails. Bummer.

    I'll just fake the gate driver with a couple of BVs. That will run
    faster anyhow.

    I guess I could run the 4444 grounded and AC couple into the gates
    with DC restore. Lotta hassle.





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  • From Phil Hobbs@21:1/5 to jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com on Sat May 28 18:25:49 2022
    jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
    Some LT Spice models have invisible internal nodes that are hard
    ground. So you can't float them off ground.

    LTC4444 mosfet driver for example, half-bridge with + and - power
    rails. Bummer.

    Haven't run into that one for a built-in LTspice model. Maybe it's one
    of the post-Engelhardt ones.

    Do they have a PSPICE model? If so, it could maybe be fixed with a search+replace.

    I'll just fake the gate driver with a couple of BVs. That will run
    faster anyhow.

    I guess I could run the 4444 grounded and AC couple into the gates
    with DC restore. Lotta hassle.

    Or a 1-ps transmission line--duelling bugs!

    Cheers

    Phil Hobbs


    --
    Dr Philip C D Hobbs
    Principal Consultant
    ElectroOptical Innovations LLC / Hobbs ElectroOptics
    Optics, Electro-optics, Photonics, Analog Electronics
    Briarcliff Manor NY 10510

    http://electrooptical.net
    http://hobbs-eo.com

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  • From jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com@21:1/5 to pcdhSpamMeSenseless@electrooptical. on Sat May 28 16:20:48 2022
    On Sat, 28 May 2022 18:25:49 -0400, Phil Hobbs <pcdhSpamMeSenseless@electrooptical.net> wrote:

    jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
    Some LT Spice models have invisible internal nodes that are hard
    ground. So you can't float them off ground.

    LTC4444 mosfet driver for example, half-bridge with + and - power
    rails. Bummer.

    Haven't run into that one for a built-in LTspice model. Maybe it's one
    of the post-Engelhardt ones.

    Do they have a PSPICE model? If so, it could maybe be fixed with a >search+replace.

    I'll just fake the gate driver with a couple of BVs. That will run
    faster anyhow.

    I guess I could run the 4444 grounded and AC couple into the gates
    with DC restore. Lotta hassle.

    Or a 1-ps transmission line--duelling bugs!

    Cheers

    Phil Hobbs

    That's a neat idea. A txline is a DC-coupled 1:1 transformer.



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  • From jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com@21:1/5 to legg on Sun May 29 11:11:21 2022
    On Sun, 29 May 2022 13:22:54 -0400, legg <legg@nospam.magma.ca> wrote:

    On Sat, 28 May 2022 09:32:41 -0700, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com
    wrote:

    Some LT Spice models have invisible internal nodes that are hard
    ground. So you can't float them off ground.

    LTC4444 mosfet driver for example, half-bridge with + and - power
    rails. Bummer.

    I'll just fake the gate driver with a couple of BVs. That will run
    faster anyhow.

    I guess I could run the 4444 grounded and AC couple into the gates
    with DC restore. Lotta hassle.

    Assuming that's really the problem:

    Maybe not. I can apply 100 volts to all pins of the LTC4444 and no
    current flows.

    There must be some other reason it won't swing to a V- rail.


    You can create a node that serves as YOUR ground. Call in GND or
    whatever. If there are 2xmodels with internal common nodes, I
    don't think you can isolate between them.

    I'm making a floating 3-phase AC power supply, with three half-bridges switching between +60 and -60. I have a floating common called N,
    namely the neutral of a 3-phase wye system. It's another PM alternator simulator.

    It's a nuisance to simulate. And very slow.



    I'd consult LTspice@groups.io .

    I generally don't use their models, unless they serve as equivalents
    to more generic devices or do somethging unique that justifies
    cost of real part use.

    RL

    Something exotic like this mosfet driver is worth simulating with a
    good model. And it's worth paying more for a part with a good model,
    which is I guess the point of free LT Spice.



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  • From legg@21:1/5 to All on Sun May 29 13:22:54 2022
    On Sat, 28 May 2022 09:32:41 -0700, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com
    wrote:

    Some LT Spice models have invisible internal nodes that are hard
    ground. So you can't float them off ground.

    LTC4444 mosfet driver for example, half-bridge with + and - power
    rails. Bummer.

    I'll just fake the gate driver with a couple of BVs. That will run
    faster anyhow.

    I guess I could run the 4444 grounded and AC couple into the gates
    with DC restore. Lotta hassle.

    Assuming that's really the problem:

    You can create a node that serves as YOUR ground. Call in GND or
    whatever. If there are 2xmodels with internal common nodes, I
    don't think you can isolate between them.

    I'd consult LTspice@groups.io .

    I generally don't use their models, unless they serve as equivalents
    to more generic devices or do somethging unique that justifies
    cost of real part use.

    RL

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  • From Phil Hobbs@21:1/5 to legg on Sun May 29 14:25:29 2022
    legg wrote:
    On Sat, 28 May 2022 09:32:41 -0700,
    jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:

    Some LT Spice models have invisible internal nodes that are hard
    ground. So you can't float them off ground.

    LTC4444 mosfet driver for example, half-bridge with + and - power
    rails. Bummer.

    I'll just fake the gate driver with a couple of BVs. That will run
    faster anyhow.

    I guess I could run the 4444 grounded and AC couple into the gates
    with DC restore. Lotta hassle.

    Assuming that's really the problem:

    You can create a node that serves as YOUR ground. Call in GND or
    whatever. If there are 2xmodels with internal common nodes, I don't
    think you can isolate between them.

    I'd consult LTspice@groups.io .

    I generally don't use their models, unless they serve as equivalents
    to more generic devices or do somethging unique that justifies cost
    of real part use.


    Plus their part selector is horrible--there's no way to search on
    parameters, or even device type.

    Cheers

    Phil Hobbs


    --
    Dr Philip C D Hobbs
    Principal Consultant
    ElectroOptical Innovations LLC / Hobbs ElectroOptics
    Optics, Electro-optics, Photonics, Analog Electronics
    Briarcliff Manor NY 10510

    http://electrooptical.net
    http://hobbs-eo.com

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  • From legg@21:1/5 to All on Sun May 29 16:22:53 2022
    On Sat, 28 May 2022 16:20:48 -0700, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com
    wrote:

    On Sat, 28 May 2022 18:25:49 -0400, Phil Hobbs ><pcdhSpamMeSenseless@electrooptical.net> wrote:

    jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
    Some LT Spice models have invisible internal nodes that are hard
    ground. So you can't float them off ground.

    LTC4444 mosfet driver for example, half-bridge with + and - power
    rails. Bummer.

    Haven't run into that one for a built-in LTspice model. Maybe it's one
    of the post-Engelhardt ones.

    Do they have a PSPICE model? If so, it could maybe be fixed with a >>search+replace.

    I'll just fake the gate driver with a couple of BVs. That will run
    faster anyhow.

    I guess I could run the 4444 grounded and AC couple into the gates
    with DC restore. Lotta hassle.

    Or a 1-ps transmission line--duelling bugs!

    Cheers

    Phil Hobbs

    That's a neat idea. A txline is a DC-coupled 1:1 transformer.

    You'll have the same issues placing digital logic on flying
    nodes.

    RL

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  • From Phil Hobbs@21:1/5 to legg on Sun May 29 16:35:18 2022
    legg wrote:
    On Sat, 28 May 2022 16:20:48 -0700, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com
    wrote:

    On Sat, 28 May 2022 18:25:49 -0400, Phil Hobbs
    <pcdhSpamMeSenseless@electrooptical.net> wrote:

    jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
    Some LT Spice models have invisible internal nodes that are hard
    ground. So you can't float them off ground.

    LTC4444 mosfet driver for example, half-bridge with + and - power
    rails. Bummer.

    Haven't run into that one for a built-in LTspice model. Maybe it's one
    of the post-Engelhardt ones.

    Do they have a PSPICE model? If so, it could maybe be fixed with a
    search+replace.

    I'll just fake the gate driver with a couple of BVs. That will run
    faster anyhow.

    I guess I could run the 4444 grounded and AC couple into the gates
    with DC restore. Lotta hassle.

    Or a 1-ps transmission line--duelling bugs!

    Cheers

    Phil Hobbs

    That's a neat idea. A txline is a DC-coupled 1:1 transformer.

    You'll have the same issues placing digital logic on flying
    nodes.

    RL


    More tlines!

    Cheers

    Phil "Everything's a transmission line anyway" Hobbs

    --
    Dr Philip C D Hobbs
    Principal Consultant
    ElectroOptical Innovations LLC / Hobbs ElectroOptics
    Optics, Electro-optics, Photonics, Analog Electronics
    Briarcliff Manor NY 10510

    http://electrooptical.net
    http://hobbs-eo.com

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  • From John Larkin@21:1/5 to legg on Sun May 29 19:23:26 2022
    On Sun, 29 May 2022 16:22:53 -0400, legg <legg@nospam.magma.ca> wrote:

    On Sat, 28 May 2022 16:20:48 -0700, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com
    wrote:

    On Sat, 28 May 2022 18:25:49 -0400, Phil Hobbs >><pcdhSpamMeSenseless@electrooptical.net> wrote:

    jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
    Some LT Spice models have invisible internal nodes that are hard
    ground. So you can't float them off ground.

    LTC4444 mosfet driver for example, half-bridge with + and - power
    rails. Bummer.

    Haven't run into that one for a built-in LTspice model. Maybe it's one >>>of the post-Engelhardt ones.

    Do they have a PSPICE model? If so, it could maybe be fixed with a >>>search+replace.

    I'll just fake the gate driver with a couple of BVs. That will run
    faster anyhow.

    I guess I could run the 4444 grounded and AC couple into the gates
    with DC restore. Lotta hassle.

    Or a 1-ps transmission line--duelling bugs!

    Cheers

    Phil Hobbs

    That's a neat idea. A txline is a DC-coupled 1:1 transformer.

    You'll have the same issues placing digital logic on flying
    nodes.

    RL

    Yes. They are ground referenced for sure.

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    "Bunter", he said, "I give you a toast. The triumph of Instinct over Reason"

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