• Any Tesla driver here?

    From Jeroen Belleman@21:1/5 to All on Thu May 19 19:59:23 2022
    Any Tesla drivers here? I heard of this silly incident where
    someone forced the hatch shut by hand rather than pushing the
    button, and by doing so immobilized the car. Apparently, when
    you do that, it believes the hatch is still open and refuses
    to move. Don't you love modern cars?

    Comments?

    Jeroen --the driver should always have the final word-- Belleman

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  • From John Larkin@21:1/5 to jeroen@nospam.please on Thu May 19 11:36:02 2022
    On Thu, 19 May 2022 19:59:23 +0200, Jeroen Belleman
    <jeroen@nospam.please> wrote:

    Any Tesla drivers here? I heard of this silly incident where
    someone forced the hatch shut by hand rather than pushing the
    button, and by doing so immobilized the car. Apparently, when
    you do that, it believes the hatch is still open and refuses
    to move. Don't you love modern cars?

    Comments?

    Jeroen --the driver should always have the final word-- Belleman

    With luck, the microprocessor shortage will drive the car designers
    back to using knobs that you can grab and turn without taking your
    eyes off the road.

    Or just common sense will do it.

    --

    If a man will begin with certainties, he shall end with doubts,
    but if he will be content to begin with doubts he shall end in certainties. Francis Bacon

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  • From Ricky@21:1/5 to Jeroen Belleman on Thu May 19 12:58:07 2022
    On Thursday, May 19, 2022 at 1:59:34 PM UTC-4, Jeroen Belleman wrote:
    Any Tesla drivers here? I heard of this silly incident where
    someone forced the hatch shut by hand rather than pushing the
    button, and by doing so immobilized the car. Apparently, when
    you do that, it believes the hatch is still open and refuses
    to move. Don't you love modern cars?

    Are you sure you are talking about a Tesla? I have the model X which has no hatches. It has doors and a tailgate/trunk and a frunk (front trunk). I can close any of them by pushing them shut. I do that on the frunk because it doesn't close itself,
    but have done it on the tail gate because it is super cautious to not harm anyone and often only needs to push something a tiny bit out of the way. If it won't, and I know what's wrong, I push it closed and drive off. I've closed the doors by hand as
    well.

    What are you talking about? I think the model X is the only Tesla that closes it's own doors and tailgate.

    Where did you hear about this?

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    Rick C.

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  • From Ricky@21:1/5 to John Larkin on Thu May 19 12:59:28 2022
    On Thursday, May 19, 2022 at 2:36:14 PM UTC-4, John Larkin wrote:
    On Thu, 19 May 2022 19:59:23 +0200, Jeroen Belleman
    <jer...@nospam.please> wrote:

    Any Tesla drivers here? I heard of this silly incident where
    someone forced the hatch shut by hand rather than pushing the
    button, and by doing so immobilized the car. Apparently, when
    you do that, it believes the hatch is still open and refuses
    to move. Don't you love modern cars?

    Comments?

    Jeroen --the driver should always have the final word-- Belleman
    With luck, the microprocessor shortage will drive the car designers
    back to using knobs that you can grab and turn without taking your
    eyes off the road.

    Or just common sense will do it.

    The reason they don't have a choice is the proliferation of controls. Cars are becoming far too complex to put buttons on the dash for everything.

    --

    Rick C.

    + Get 1,000 miles of free Supercharging
    + Tesla referral code - https://ts.la/richard11209

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  • From Martin Brown@21:1/5 to Jeroen Belleman on Thu May 19 22:04:24 2022
    On 19/05/2022 18:59, Jeroen Belleman wrote:
    Any Tesla drivers here? I heard of this silly incident where
    someone forced the hatch shut by hand rather than pushing the
    button, and by doing so immobilized the car. Apparently, when
    you do that, it believes the hatch is still open and refuses
    to move. Don't you love modern cars?

    Comments?

    Jeroen --the driver should always have the final word-- Belleman

    Even in the pre smartphone with everything era I have had a fairly high
    end car decide to freeze on me because it suddenly thought it had been
    stolen and on a roundabout at rush hour. The only thing that could be
    done was push it to the side of the road and await rescue. Immobilisers
    were quite new and little understood back then. I expect the thieves
    understood them batter than anyone else!

    Roadside assistance couldn't do anything with it beyond dragging it onto
    a tow away truck. It came back with the immobiliser reset and "no fault
    found" from the dealer. It didn't ever do it again which was a bonus.

    I discovered the hard way after parking in a very tight spot in an
    underground carpark that entering the car by the passenger door and then
    trying to start the car would also set off the alarm.

    Luckily there was just enough room to open the drivers side door to
    satisfy the stupid magnetic door sensor (but barely enough to get a
    piece of paper through the resulting crack in the door).

    Another that got me on a test drive (take home for the weekend to try)
    was a Saab where you cannot get the keys out of ignition unless you put
    the damn thing into reverse gear. The fleet manager forgot to tell me
    that crucial detail - lucky we had a secure garage at home.

    The only thing it did well was driving at speed on cobbled streets.

    --
    Regards,
    Martin Brown

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  • From Phil Hobbs@21:1/5 to Martin Brown on Thu May 19 17:15:11 2022
    Martin Brown wrote:
    On 19/05/2022 18:59, Jeroen Belleman wrote:
    Any Tesla drivers here? I heard of this silly incident where
    someone forced the hatch shut by hand rather than pushing the
    button, and by doing so immobilized the car. Apparently, when
    you do that, it believes the hatch is still open and refuses
    to move. Don't you love modern cars?

    Comments?

    Jeroen --the driver should always have the final word-- Belleman

    Even in the pre smartphone with everything era I have had a fairly high
    end car decide to freeze on me because it suddenly thought it had been
    stolen and on a roundabout at rush hour. The only thing that could be
    done was push it to the side of the road and await rescue. Immobilisers
    were quite new and little understood back then. I expect the thieves understood them batter than anyone else!

    Roadside assistance couldn't do anything with it beyond dragging it onto
    a tow away truck. It came back with the immobiliser reset and "no fault found" from the dealer. It didn't ever do it again which was a bonus.

    I discovered the hard way after parking in a very tight spot in an underground carpark that entering the car by the passenger door and then trying to start the car would also set off the alarm.

    Luckily there was just enough room to open the drivers side door to
    satisfy the stupid magnetic door sensor (but barely enough to get a
    piece of paper through the resulting crack in the door).

    Another that got me on a test drive (take home for the weekend to try)
    was a Saab where you cannot get the keys out of ignition unless you put
    the damn thing into reverse gear. The fleet manager forgot to tell me
    that crucial detail - lucky we had a secure garage at home.

    The only thing it did well was driving at speed on cobbled streets.


    Yeah, I like cars that do as they're damn well told. I drive a 2012 convertible Mustang that has a manual transmission and none of that
    other crap, and intend to keep it going till I die.

    Failing that, I might switch to something that's easy to get parts for,
    such as a 1972 Chevelle.

    Cheers

    Phil Hobbs

    --
    Dr Philip C D Hobbs
    Principal Consultant
    ElectroOptical Innovations LLC / Hobbs ElectroOptics
    Optics, Electro-optics, Photonics, Analog Electronics
    Briarcliff Manor NY 10510

    http://electrooptical.net
    http://hobbs-eo.com

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  • From Cydrome Leader@21:1/5 to Ricky on Thu May 19 21:49:14 2022
    Ricky <gnuarm.deletethisbit@gmail.com> wrote:
    On Thursday, May 19, 2022 at 2:36:14 PM UTC-4, John Larkin wrote:
    On Thu, 19 May 2022 19:59:23 +0200, Jeroen Belleman
    <jer...@nospam.please> wrote:

    Any Tesla drivers here? I heard of this silly incident where
    someone forced the hatch shut by hand rather than pushing the
    button, and by doing so immobilized the car. Apparently, when
    you do that, it believes the hatch is still open and refuses
    to move. Don't you love modern cars?

    Comments?

    Jeroen --the driver should always have the final word-- Belleman
    With luck, the microprocessor shortage will drive the car designers
    back to using knobs that you can grab and turn without taking your
    eyes off the road.

    Or just common sense will do it.

    The reason they don't have a choice is the proliferation of controls. Cars are becoming far too complex to put buttons on the dash for everything.

    Most of those controls are not necessary in the first place.

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  • From John Larkin@21:1/5 to presence@MUNGEpanix.com on Thu May 19 15:42:51 2022
    On Thu, 19 May 2022 21:49:14 -0000 (UTC), Cydrome Leader <presence@MUNGEpanix.com> wrote:

    Ricky <gnuarm.deletethisbit@gmail.com> wrote:
    On Thursday, May 19, 2022 at 2:36:14 PM UTC-4, John Larkin wrote:
    On Thu, 19 May 2022 19:59:23 +0200, Jeroen Belleman
    <jer...@nospam.please> wrote:

    Any Tesla drivers here? I heard of this silly incident where
    someone forced the hatch shut by hand rather than pushing the
    button, and by doing so immobilized the car. Apparently, when
    you do that, it believes the hatch is still open and refuses
    to move. Don't you love modern cars?

    Comments?

    Jeroen --the driver should always have the final word-- Belleman
    With luck, the microprocessor shortage will drive the car designers
    back to using knobs that you can grab and turn without taking your
    eyes off the road.

    Or just common sense will do it.

    The reason they don't have a choice is the proliferation of controls. Cars are becoming far too complex to put buttons on the dash for everything.

    Most of those controls are not necessary in the first place.


    Right. It's a car.

    --

    If a man will begin with certainties, he shall end with doubts,
    but if he will be content to begin with doubts he shall end in certainties. Francis Bacon

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  • From bitrex@21:1/5 to John Larkin on Thu May 19 21:39:04 2022
    On 5/19/2022 6:42 PM, John Larkin wrote:
    On Thu, 19 May 2022 21:49:14 -0000 (UTC), Cydrome Leader <presence@MUNGEpanix.com> wrote:

    Ricky <gnuarm.deletethisbit@gmail.com> wrote:
    On Thursday, May 19, 2022 at 2:36:14 PM UTC-4, John Larkin wrote:
    On Thu, 19 May 2022 19:59:23 +0200, Jeroen Belleman
    <jer...@nospam.please> wrote:

    Any Tesla drivers here? I heard of this silly incident where
    someone forced the hatch shut by hand rather than pushing the
    button, and by doing so immobilized the car. Apparently, when
    you do that, it believes the hatch is still open and refuses
    to move. Don't you love modern cars?

    Comments?

    Jeroen --the driver should always have the final word-- Belleman
    With luck, the microprocessor shortage will drive the car designers
    back to using knobs that you can grab and turn without taking your
    eyes off the road.

    Or just common sense will do it.

    The reason they don't have a choice is the proliferation of controls. Cars are becoming far too complex to put buttons on the dash for everything.

    Most of those controls are not necessary in the first place.


    Right. It's a car.


    An option on I believe the Mercedes Benz E class coupe for 2022 is a
    cabin fragrance management system. You put the Mercedes Benz-brand
    fragrance vials in your choice of scents into the locking,
    LED-illuminated fragrance injector unit at the back of the glove
    compartment.

    Mind you to my reading this option doesn't use the existing HVAC ducting
    to manage fragrance, it has its own set of fragrance-management blowers
    and ductwork.

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  • From Don Y@21:1/5 to Jeroen Belleman on Thu May 19 18:32:49 2022
    On 5/19/2022 10:59 AM, Jeroen Belleman wrote:
    Any Tesla drivers here? I heard of this silly incident where
    someone forced the hatch shut by hand rather than pushing the
    button, and by doing so immobilized the car. Apparently, when
    you do that, it believes the hatch is still open and refuses
    to move. Don't you love modern cars?

    Comments?

    Jeroen --the driver should always have the final word-- Belleman

    That's some stupid PHB's notion (or, some consultant hired by same)
    of how things should work. I'm sure there is formal language
    that defines that behavior -- for *some* reason (which MAY make
    sense but likely isn't intuitive to the driver/user)

    Many SUVs complain if the hatchback is left open. How do you
    transport an "oversize load" if you can't leave the item
    hanging out the ass end of the vehicle? (buy a truck, instead?)
    You can trip the sensor in the latch -- but then you're still
    faced with the problem of holding the hatch "partially closed"
    (there's often nothing to "tie onto" on the hatch!)

    SWMBO's vehicle has the controls for the seat heaters located on the
    center console. So, if you ever set anything on it (e.g., her purse),
    you will likely turn one or both on. You won't see the VISUAL indicator
    that tells you this -- because it has been covered by the object.
    Instead, you'll eventually feel the seat getting unusually warm...

    The car is smart enough to remember which the positions we each prefer
    for the driver's seat (but not the passenger's! :< ). And, our
    music preferences, station presets, order in which we like to see
    audio sources listed, etc. *BUT*, always sets the entertainment
    system to the state it was in when the car was last driven -- regardless
    of the driver! (so "her" radio station will be selected even if it
    doesn't exist in my presets -- and, I was listening to a specific MP3
    when I last drove the vehicle.

    *Someone* had to make a conscious decision as to where these
    controls would be sited, how implemented and their overall behavior.
    You'd assume companies with the resources of car manufacturers would
    have smarter people making those decisions!

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  • From bitrex@21:1/5 to bitrex on Thu May 19 21:46:53 2022
    On 5/19/2022 9:39 PM, bitrex wrote:
    On 5/19/2022 6:42 PM, John Larkin wrote:
    On Thu, 19 May 2022 21:49:14 -0000 (UTC), Cydrome Leader
    <presence@MUNGEpanix.com> wrote:

    Ricky <gnuarm.deletethisbit@gmail.com> wrote:
    On Thursday, May 19, 2022 at 2:36:14 PM UTC-4, John Larkin wrote:
    On Thu, 19 May 2022 19:59:23 +0200, Jeroen Belleman
    <jer...@nospam.please> wrote:

    Any Tesla drivers here? I heard of this silly incident where
    someone forced the hatch shut by hand rather than pushing the
    button, and by doing so immobilized the car. Apparently, when
    you do that, it believes the hatch is still open and refuses
    to move. Don't you love modern cars?

    Comments?

    Jeroen --the driver should always have the final word-- Belleman
    With luck, the microprocessor shortage will drive the car designers
    back to using knobs that you can grab and turn without taking your
    eyes off the road.

    Or just common sense will do it.

    The reason they don't have a choice is the proliferation of
    controls.  Cars are becoming far too complex to put buttons on the
    dash for everything.

    Most of those controls are not necessary in the first place.


    Right. It's a car.


    An option on I believe the Mercedes Benz E class coupe for 2022 is a
    cabin fragrance management system. You put the Mercedes Benz-brand
    fragrance vials in your choice of scents into the locking,
    LED-illuminated fragrance injector unit at the back of the glove
    compartment.

    Mind you to my reading this option doesn't use the existing HVAC ducting
    to manage fragrance, it has its own set of fragrance-management blowers
    and ductwork.

    This isn't a joke btw folks, I'm not shitting you it's a real option

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  • From Ricky@21:1/5 to bitrex on Thu May 19 19:35:06 2022
    On Thursday, May 19, 2022 at 9:47:03 PM UTC-4, bitrex wrote:
    On 5/19/2022 9:39 PM, bitrex wrote:
    On 5/19/2022 6:42 PM, John Larkin wrote:
    On Thu, 19 May 2022 21:49:14 -0000 (UTC), Cydrome Leader
    <pres...@MUNGEpanix.com> wrote:

    Ricky <gnuarm.del...@gmail.com> wrote:
    On Thursday, May 19, 2022 at 2:36:14 PM UTC-4, John Larkin wrote:
    On Thu, 19 May 2022 19:59:23 +0200, Jeroen Belleman
    <jer...@nospam.please> wrote:

    Any Tesla drivers here? I heard of this silly incident where
    someone forced the hatch shut by hand rather than pushing the
    button, and by doing so immobilized the car. Apparently, when
    you do that, it believes the hatch is still open and refuses
    to move. Don't you love modern cars?

    Comments?

    Jeroen --the driver should always have the final word-- Belleman
    With luck, the microprocessor shortage will drive the car designers >>>>> back to using knobs that you can grab and turn without taking your >>>>> eyes off the road.

    Or just common sense will do it.

    The reason they don't have a choice is the proliferation of
    controls. Cars are becoming far too complex to put buttons on the
    dash for everything.

    Most of those controls are not necessary in the first place.


    Right. It's a car.


    An option on I believe the Mercedes Benz E class coupe for 2022 is a
    cabin fragrance management system. You put the Mercedes Benz-brand fragrance vials in your choice of scents into the locking,
    LED-illuminated fragrance injector unit at the back of the glove compartment.

    Mind you to my reading this option doesn't use the existing HVAC ducting
    to manage fragrance, it has its own set of fragrance-management blowers
    and ductwork.
    This isn't a joke btw folks, I'm not shitting you it's a real option

    What's wrong with that? People have been using scents in cars for decades. So the luxury car brand is making available without stopping at a gas station... sounds like an improvement for those who like it.

    Why is everyone on the rag over the fact that people like things and car makers provide them? What a bunch of whiny little girls!

    --

    Rick C.

    -+ Get 1,000 miles of free Supercharging
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  • From Ricky@21:1/5 to Cydrome Leader on Thu May 19 19:31:48 2022
    On Thursday, May 19, 2022 at 5:49:21 PM UTC-4, Cydrome Leader wrote:
    Ricky <gnuarm.del...@gmail.com> wrote:
    On Thursday, May 19, 2022 at 2:36:14 PM UTC-4, John Larkin wrote:
    On Thu, 19 May 2022 19:59:23 +0200, Jeroen Belleman
    <jer...@nospam.please> wrote:

    Any Tesla drivers here? I heard of this silly incident where
    someone forced the hatch shut by hand rather than pushing the
    button, and by doing so immobilized the car. Apparently, when
    you do that, it believes the hatch is still open and refuses
    to move. Don't you love modern cars?

    Comments?

    Jeroen --the driver should always have the final word-- Belleman
    With luck, the microprocessor shortage will drive the car designers
    back to using knobs that you can grab and turn without taking your
    eyes off the road.

    Or just common sense will do it.

    The reason they don't have a choice is the proliferation of controls. Cars are becoming far too complex to put buttons on the dash for everything.
    Most of those controls are not necessary in the first place.

    Ok, but people buy them. That makes them necessary for those who make and sell the cars. They can't sell what people don't buy.

    --

    Rick C.

    -- Get 1,000 miles of free Supercharging
    -- Tesla referral code - https://ts.la/richard11209

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  • From rbowman@21:1/5 to bitrex on Thu May 19 20:33:32 2022
    On 05/19/2022 07:39 PM, bitrex wrote:
    On 5/19/2022 6:42 PM, John Larkin wrote:
    On Thu, 19 May 2022 21:49:14 -0000 (UTC), Cydrome Leader
    <presence@MUNGEpanix.com> wrote:

    Ricky <gnuarm.deletethisbit@gmail.com> wrote:
    On Thursday, May 19, 2022 at 2:36:14 PM UTC-4, John Larkin wrote:
    On Thu, 19 May 2022 19:59:23 +0200, Jeroen Belleman
    <jer...@nospam.please> wrote:

    Any Tesla drivers here? I heard of this silly incident where
    someone forced the hatch shut by hand rather than pushing the
    button, and by doing so immobilized the car. Apparently, when
    you do that, it believes the hatch is still open and refuses
    to move. Don't you love modern cars?

    Comments?

    Jeroen --the driver should always have the final word-- Belleman
    With luck, the microprocessor shortage will drive the car designers
    back to using knobs that you can grab and turn without taking your
    eyes off the road.

    Or just common sense will do it.

    The reason they don't have a choice is the proliferation of
    controls. Cars are becoming far too complex to put buttons on the
    dash for everything.

    Most of those controls are not necessary in the first place.


    Right. It's a car.


    An option on I believe the Mercedes Benz E class coupe for 2022 is a
    cabin fragrance management system. You put the Mercedes Benz-brand
    fragrance vials in your choice of scents into the locking,
    LED-illuminated fragrance injector unit at the back of the glove
    compartment.

    Mind you to my reading this option doesn't use the existing HVAC ducting
    to manage fragrance, it has its own set of fragrance-management blowers
    and ductwork.

    What do they have against little pine trees?

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  • From Don Y@21:1/5 to bitrex on Thu May 19 19:58:29 2022
    On 5/19/2022 6:46 PM, bitrex wrote:
    Mind you to my reading this option doesn't use the existing HVAC ducting to >> manage fragrance, it has its own set of fragrance-management blowers and
    ductwork.

    This isn't a joke btw folks, I'm not shitting you it's a real option

    Neighbor's vehicle has a Peltier cooler built in (to keep your beer
    cold while driving?)

    There are trucks with running boards that automatically raise/lower to
    make boarding/disbarking more convenient.

    Neighbor's Huracan is some god-awful (IMO) color -- that he's proud
    of (cuz it's one-of-a-kind).

    Another is proud that he gets *8* MPG!

    To some folks, cars are the equivalent of jewelry (what role does THAT
    play?).

    OTOH, there are some "features" that definitely improve a driving experience.

    I sure wouldn't like to be tooling around without ACbrrr. And, the
    backup cameras are nice (though I suspect too many folks rely on them
    too heavily). As are the LIDAR detectors for cars/people passing behind
    you as you back out (don't RELY on it but it's a nice fallback to catch
    cases you may have missed).

    I like the fact that the seats remember where I like them to be positioned
    as do the mirrors.

    And, as I back into the garage, it's nice that the side mirrors automatically tilt downward to give me a better view of what's alongside the car as I
    back in.

    Do I need a moonroof? No (OTOH, I enjoy removing the roof panels on *my* vehicle!). Or, the ability to close the hatchback from the driver's seat?
    (why didn't I close it when I was back there??!)

    But, people like toys in their vehicles. Esp american car vendors.
    Do you really need a HUD to get from point A to point B?? Is there
    some reason you can't notice the most recent speed limit sign as
    you pass it -- why rely on the one displayed in your HUD?!

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  • From Jasen Betts@21:1/5 to Don Y on Fri May 20 06:30:30 2022
    On 2022-05-20, Don Y <blockedofcourse@foo.invalid> wrote:
    On 5/19/2022 10:59 AM, Jeroen Belleman wrote:
    Any Tesla drivers here? I heard of this silly incident where
    someone forced the hatch shut by hand rather than pushing the
    button, and by doing so immobilized the car. Apparently, when
    you do that, it believes the hatch is still open and refuses
    to move. Don't you love modern cars?

    Comments?

    Jeroen --the driver should always have the final word-- Belleman

    That's some stupid PHB's notion (or, some consultant hired by same)
    of how things should work. I'm sure there is formal language
    that defines that behavior -- for *some* reason (which MAY make
    sense but likely isn't intuitive to the driver/user)

    Many SUVs complain if the hatchback is left open. How do you
    transport an "oversize load" if you can't leave the item
    hanging out the ass end of the vehicle? (buy a truck, instead?)
    You can trip the sensor in the latch -- but then you're still
    faced with the problem of holding the hatch "partially closed"
    (there's often nothing to "tie onto" on the hatch!)

    I usually join the catch (I catch a pice of wire or rope in the catch)
    to the ring that usually engages with the catch,

    but you can also tie to hinges(and run the rope over the outside
    or tie to the wiper axle.

    on the body of the car you can also tie to the external tie-down point,
    and internally the child-seat anchor point, and spare wheel are other
    options

    --
    Jasen.

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  • From Jeff Layman@21:1/5 to Jeroen Belleman on Fri May 20 08:06:34 2022
    On 19/05/2022 18:59, Jeroen Belleman wrote:
    Any Tesla drivers here? I heard of this silly incident where
    someone forced the hatch shut by hand rather than pushing the
    button, and by doing so immobilized the car. Apparently, when
    you do that, it believes the hatch is still open and refuses
    to move. Don't you love modern cars?

    Comments?

    Jeroen --the driver should always have the final word-- Belleman

    Perhaps something like this would help. ;-) <https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2022/05/new-bluetooth-hack-can-unlock-your-tesla-and-all-kinds-of-other-devices/>

    --

    Jeff

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  • From Jeroen Belleman@21:1/5 to Ricky on Fri May 20 09:16:35 2022
    On 2022-05-20 04:31, Ricky wrote:
    On Thursday, May 19, 2022 at 5:49:21 PM UTC-4, Cydrome Leader wrote:
    Ricky <gnuarm.del...@gmail.com> wrote:
    On Thursday, May 19, 2022 at 2:36:14 PM UTC-4, John Larkin
    wrote:
    On Thu, 19 May 2022 19:59:23 +0200, Jeroen Belleman
    <jer...@nospam.please> wrote:

    Any Tesla drivers here? I heard of this silly incident where
    someone forced the hatch shut by hand rather than pushing
    the button, and by doing so immobilized the car. Apparently,
    when you do that, it believes the hatch is still open and
    refuses to move. Don't you love modern cars?

    Comments?

    Jeroen --the driver should always have the final word--
    Belleman
    With luck, the microprocessor shortage will drive the car
    designers back to using knobs that you can grab and turn
    without taking your eyes off the road. with
    Or just common sense will do it.

    The reason they don't have a choice is the proliferation of controls. Cars are becoming far too complex to put buttons on the dash for everything.
    Most of those controls are not necessary in the first place.

    Ok, but people buy them. That makes them necessary for those who make and sell the cars. They can't sell what people don't buy.


    I'd gladly buy a car with a manual transmission and fewer useless gadgets,
    but I still want the airco, the auto-darkening rear view mirror, etc.
    They just don't seem to exist anymore. Cars are computers on wheels
    these days, with all the weird bugs that entails.

    Jeroen Belleman

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  • From Don Y@21:1/5 to Jeff Layman on Fri May 20 01:20:25 2022
    On 5/20/2022 12:06 AM, Jeff Layman wrote:
    On 19/05/2022 18:59, Jeroen Belleman wrote:
    Any Tesla drivers here? I heard of this silly incident where
    someone forced the hatch shut by hand rather than pushing the
    button, and by doing so immobilized the car. Apparently, when
    you do that, it believes the hatch is still open and refuses
    to move. Don't you love modern cars?

    Comments?

    Jeroen --the driver should always have the final word-- Belleman

    Perhaps something like this would help. ;-) <https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2022/05/new-bluetooth-hack-can-unlock-your-tesla-and-all-kinds-of-other-devices/>

    This can be countered by measuring time of flight (assuming "keys" aren't repeated and subject to replay attack).

    This is just common when folks treat security as an afterthought
    instead of building it *into* the device/process.

    <https://www.wired.com/story/pacemaker-hack-malware-black-hat/>

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  • From Don Y@21:1/5 to Jeroen Belleman on Fri May 20 01:46:56 2022
    On 5/20/2022 12:16 AM, Jeroen Belleman wrote:
    I'd gladly buy a car with a manual transmission and fewer useless gadgets,

    Which "gadgets" (that have software and/or add to the number of
    "useless controls") would you do away with?

    Personally, I can live without the mirror and seat position memory
    (in MY car -- because SWMBO doesn't drive it: "too big" -- so everything
    stays exactly as I left it)

    I'd miss the backup camera and cross traffic alert system (for cars and
    people passing behind the vehicle as you're backing up).

    And, the gizmo that watches for vehicles in the blind spots while
    driving (sometimes catches things that I may have missed, esp "determined"
    road sheep).

    No need for GPS (which isn't as good as some of the portable GPS units).
    And, ditch the moonroof (that came as part of the trim level upgrade
    that gave the power *passenger* seat). How exactly does that N-way
    control operate? Am I *sure* it's closed WATER TIGHT??

    I would, however, still want that power passenger seat for the times
    I'm seated in it and want to LOWER it (SWMBO likes it set "high"...
    so she can see what's passing UNDER the front bumper???)

    Sound system is easy to implement with a PMP tied in to the "radio".

    Nice to have the built-in garage door openers overhead. But, clipping
    an old-fashioned "remote" to the visor isn't a big deal. Maybe not quite
    as "aesthetically pleasing".

    Nice to know what sort of fuel economy I'm presently getting. And, a
    summary for this tankful. Saves a bit of mental arithmetic. "Available
    miles" in the tank? <shrug> Rarely more than a few blocks from a gas
    station so the prospect of being stuck with an empty tank is pretty remote.

    Cruise control? Rarely make long drives. (but has not been the case, historically)

    Oil life monitor? I guess I could go back to keeping track of that in
    my head.

    Driver/passenger temperature controls? How often do you want significantly different temperature regions a few feet apart?!

    Yeah, it's nice to have the headlights turn on when needed (?). But,
    its not like that's a huge labor-saver, for me!

    Hands free cell phone tie in? "Cell phone? What's that?!"

    Keyless entry/ignition? I've already got to carry the damn keyfob so
    how's that any different than carrying a *key*?! ("Ah, but you can unlock
    the door BEFORE you get to the car!" Whoopdedoo)

    Speech interface to all of the above? Yes, please get rid of the
    damn thing! It's far too sluggish to be useful (you end up
    *watching* the display -- instead of the roadway -- to see WHAT it
    *thinks* you said)

    And, no, I don't need to be reminded to put the car in park when
    I turn off the ignition. And, don't have a shit fit if I exit the
    vehicle while its still running! Or, nag me for not putting on the
    damn seat belt. Maybe I plan on exiting the vehicle (to check
    the mail) once I get to the end of the driveway!

    And, what the hell is THAT annunciator (without any accompanying MESSAGE
    on any of the three displays)? Did you save 10 bytes of code by relying exclusively on a cryptic SOUND instead of declaring the intent??

    What I'd LIKE is something that alerts me to things like bulb failures (headlamps, turn signals, brake/running lights, etc.). But, don't know
    if its smart enough to do that. OTOH, I see lots of "new" cars with
    failed lamps and assume the drivers haven't been told of those failures,
    yet (?)

    Or, diagnostics of other "not trivial" systems (low on refrigerant?).

    but I still want the airco, the auto-darkening rear view mirror, etc.
    They just don't seem to exist anymore. Cars are computers on wheels
    these days, with all the weird bugs that entails.

    Here, I think newer vehicles are required to have many of these
    "safety features" (backup camera, etc.). But, for the most part,
    they don't require any/much fiddling (I think the cameras can
    be configured for different "views")

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  • From Don Y@21:1/5 to Jasen Betts on Fri May 20 01:15:31 2022
    On 5/19/2022 11:30 PM, Jasen Betts wrote:
    On 2022-05-20, Don Y <blockedofcourse@foo.invalid> wrote:
    On 5/19/2022 10:59 AM, Jeroen Belleman wrote:
    Any Tesla drivers here? I heard of this silly incident where
    someone forced the hatch shut by hand rather than pushing the
    button, and by doing so immobilized the car. Apparently, when
    you do that, it believes the hatch is still open and refuses
    to move. Don't you love modern cars?

    Comments?

    Jeroen --the driver should always have the final word-- Belleman

    That's some stupid PHB's notion (or, some consultant hired by same)
    of how things should work. I'm sure there is formal language
    that defines that behavior -- for *some* reason (which MAY make
    sense but likely isn't intuitive to the driver/user)

    Many SUVs complain if the hatchback is left open. How do you
    transport an "oversize load" if you can't leave the item
    hanging out the ass end of the vehicle? (buy a truck, instead?)
    You can trip the sensor in the latch -- but then you're still
    faced with the problem of holding the hatch "partially closed"
    (there's often nothing to "tie onto" on the hatch!)

    I usually join the catch (I catch a pice of wire or rope in the catch)
    to the ring that usually engages with the catch,

    I put a short length of chain terminated in a steel ring (thickness
    of the "ring" on the back of car) with a short bungy cord on the
    other end (terminating in its hook).

    Chain Bungy
    O888888~~~~~~~~C
    Ring 8 Hook
    8 excess chain
    8

    Place the ring in the catch and let the hatch grab it and "suck it in".
    Use the hook on the other end of the bungy cord to engage the "ring"
    at the bottom of the cargo area. So, there is some "give" to the tie down.

    If you need to have the hatch a bit more open (to accommodate something "thicker"), move the bungy to expose another link in the chain while
    keeping the same tension on the bungy cord.

    Slip a furniture pad (Harbor Freight) between the hatch and the item
    its being held against -- and another *under* the item between it
    and the cargo floor. So, when the hatch bounces -- as you navigate
    the potholes and speed bumps in the neighborhood -- it has some
    cushion (I keep several furniture pads in the car at all times as
    there's often something that needs to be isolated from the vehicle's
    interior surfaces, even if the hatch CAN close)

    [This assumes the hatch can be held AGAINST whatever is sticking out
    the ass end of the vehicle, under the tension of the bungy cord]

    I'd not want to drive long distances like this but it has been
    quite good for the 2-3 mile trip to home depot, lowes, etc.

    [Store the contraption in the "trunk" (spare tire storage area)
    as you never know when you will need it]

    but you can also tie to hinges(and run the rope over the outside
    or tie to the wiper axle.

    Hinges aren't accessible "over the outside" when the hatch is
    going to be almost closed; there's a rubber seal there (the
    hinges are inboard of the door) so barely room for a bit of twine!

    Wiper axle seems like it's an invitation for a "wiper repair"!
    (That was my first idea, thankfully rejected.)

    on the body of the car you can also tie to the external tie-down point,
    and internally the child-seat anchor point, and spare wheel are other
    options

    There are some tie points on the sides of the cargo area. But, the
    "ring" that the hatch normally catches is much easier to access
    and better positioned.

    Spare wheel is under the cargo area (SUV) so you'd have to remove the
    "floor insert" to get access to the wheel. Then, where do you put
    that large piece of "floor" while you're transporting cargo?

    Rear seat needs to be folded down. As does the passenger seat, often.
    But, I can easily carry 12 ft lumber, copper/PVC tubing, etc. like
    this (furniture pads used to protect seat leather, etc.). Reserve those
    favors you ask of neighbors with trucks to the really difficult
    transports!

    Would it have been so hard for the manufacturer to have anticipated this?
    (I suspect driving with the hatch open -- in any way -- would likely
    be seen as a liability issue.)

    In a previous hatchback, I could lie in the back and HOLD the hatch
    closed. Used this technique to transport many 10' trees home when
    we were landscaping the yard!

    But, this hatch has too much mass (inertia) to be comfortable doing so.
    First bump would have it flying open with me attached!

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  • From bitrex@21:1/5 to Ricky on Fri May 20 09:42:12 2022
    On 5/19/2022 10:35 PM, Ricky wrote:
    On Thursday, May 19, 2022 at 9:47:03 PM UTC-4, bitrex wrote:
    On 5/19/2022 9:39 PM, bitrex wrote:
    On 5/19/2022 6:42 PM, John Larkin wrote:
    On Thu, 19 May 2022 21:49:14 -0000 (UTC), Cydrome Leader
    <pres...@MUNGEpanix.com> wrote:

    Ricky <gnuarm.del...@gmail.com> wrote:
    On Thursday, May 19, 2022 at 2:36:14 PM UTC-4, John Larkin wrote: >>>>>>> On Thu, 19 May 2022 19:59:23 +0200, Jeroen Belleman
    <jer...@nospam.please> wrote:

    Any Tesla drivers here? I heard of this silly incident where
    someone forced the hatch shut by hand rather than pushing the
    button, and by doing so immobilized the car. Apparently, when
    you do that, it believes the hatch is still open and refuses
    to move. Don't you love modern cars?

    Comments?

    Jeroen --the driver should always have the final word-- Belleman >>>>>>> With luck, the microprocessor shortage will drive the car designers >>>>>>> back to using knobs that you can grab and turn without taking your >>>>>>> eyes off the road.

    Or just common sense will do it.

    The reason they don't have a choice is the proliferation of
    controls. Cars are becoming far too complex to put buttons on the >>>>>> dash for everything.

    Most of those controls are not necessary in the first place.


    Right. It's a car.


    An option on I believe the Mercedes Benz E class coupe for 2022 is a
    cabin fragrance management system. You put the Mercedes Benz-brand
    fragrance vials in your choice of scents into the locking,
    LED-illuminated fragrance injector unit at the back of the glove
    compartment.

    Mind you to my reading this option doesn't use the existing HVAC ducting >>> to manage fragrance, it has its own set of fragrance-management blowers
    and ductwork.
    This isn't a joke btw folks, I'm not shitting you it's a real option

    What's wrong with that? People have been using scents in cars for decades. So the luxury car brand is making available without stopping at a gas station... sounds like an improvement for those who like it.

    They're probably out of stock of the fragrance vials due to supply-chain issues, lol

    Why is everyone on the rag over the fact that people like things and car makers provide them? What a bunch of whiny little girls!


    That's racist

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  • From bitrex@21:1/5 to Jeroen Belleman on Fri May 20 11:17:39 2022
    On 5/19/2022 1:59 PM, Jeroen Belleman wrote:
    Any Tesla drivers here? I heard of this silly incident where
    someone forced the hatch shut by hand rather than pushing the
    button, and by doing so immobilized the car. Apparently, when
    you do that, it believes the hatch is still open and refuses
    to move. Don't you love modern cars?

    Comments?


    Yeah, in other news Elon Musk has been a Republican for less than 48
    hours and he already has a hush-money sexual harassment case against
    him. Ancient story of Cinderella, if shoe fits...

    Jeroen --the driver should always have the final word-- Belleman

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  • From jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com@21:1/5 to bitrex on Fri May 20 08:34:03 2022
    On Fri, 20 May 2022 11:17:39 -0400, bitrex <user@example.net> wrote:

    On 5/19/2022 1:59 PM, Jeroen Belleman wrote:
    Any Tesla drivers here? I heard of this silly incident where
    someone forced the hatch shut by hand rather than pushing the
    button, and by doing so immobilized the car. Apparently, when
    you do that, it believes the hatch is still open and refuses
    to move. Don't you love modern cars?

    Comments?


    Yeah, in other news Elon Musk has been a Republican for less than 48
    hours and he already has a hush-money sexual harassment case against
    him.

    He apparently propositioned a woman. I'm sure none of the guys here
    would ever do anything so evil.

    The alleged incident was in 2018. Within 48 hours of becoming a
    Republican, the scandal is public.



    --

    Anybody can count to one.

    - Robert Widlar

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  • From bitrex@21:1/5 to jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com on Fri May 20 12:01:56 2022
    On 5/20/2022 11:34 AM, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
    On Fri, 20 May 2022 11:17:39 -0400, bitrex <user@example.net> wrote:

    On 5/19/2022 1:59 PM, Jeroen Belleman wrote:
    Any Tesla drivers here? I heard of this silly incident where
    someone forced the hatch shut by hand rather than pushing the
    button, and by doing so immobilized the car. Apparently, when
    you do that, it believes the hatch is still open and refuses
    to move. Don't you love modern cars?

    Comments?


    Yeah, in other news Elon Musk has been a Republican for less than 48
    hours and he already has a hush-money sexual harassment case against
    him.

    He apparently propositioned a woman. I'm sure none of the guys here
    would ever do anything so evil.

    No, I don't tend to characterize any type of consensual human sexual
    relations as "evil" or care what people do in the privacy of their own
    homes, it's not my business in a fine free country such as this. It
    seems though there is some question as to whether he "exposed himself"
    or not, and whether this exposure came before or after the other party
    did or did not agree to it.

    If the other party answered in the affirmative to the exposure after it
    and/or whatever activities were proposed then I surely have no problem
    with this.

    The alleged incident was in 2018. Within 48 hours of becoming a
    Republican, the scandal is public.

    I certainly wouldn't defend an employee who'd only worked for me for 48
    hours without all the facts I know that, but political affiliation is
    somewhat different situation I guess..

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  • From jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com@21:1/5 to bitrex on Fri May 20 08:27:12 2022
    On Fri, 20 May 2022 11:17:39 -0400, bitrex <user@example.net> wrote:

    On 5/19/2022 1:59 PM, Jeroen Belleman wrote:
    Any Tesla drivers here? I heard of this silly incident where
    someone forced the hatch shut by hand rather than pushing the
    button, and by doing so immobilized the car. Apparently, when
    you do that, it believes the hatch is still open and refuses
    to move. Don't you love modern cars?

    Comments?


    Yeah, in other news Elon Musk has been a Republican for less than 48
    hours and he already has a hush-money sexual harassment case against
    him. Ancient story of Cinderella, if shoe fits...

    Jeroen --the driver should always have the final word-- Belleman

    New movie:

    https://www.theguardian.com/tv-and-radio/2022/may/17/elon-musk-crash-course-documentary-tesla



    --

    Anybody can count to one.

    - Robert Widlar

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  • From Cydrome Leader@21:1/5 to Don Y on Fri May 20 16:12:05 2022
    Don Y <blockedofcourse@foo.invalid> wrote:
    On 5/19/2022 6:46 PM, bitrex wrote:
    Mind you to my reading this option doesn't use the existing HVAC ducting to >>> manage fragrance, it has its own set of fragrance-management blowers and >>> ductwork.

    This isn't a joke btw folks, I'm not shitting you it's a real option

    Neighbor's vehicle has a Peltier cooler built in (to keep your beer
    cold while driving?)

    There are trucks with running boards that automatically raise/lower to
    make boarding/disbarking more convenient.

    I never figured that crap out. If you're 400 pounds and can't climb a
    step, you don't need a truck that rides 2 feet off the ground.

    And nobody needs a plastic geartrain. All that nonsense was garbage pushed
    by the manufacturers as stuff to break or just be another useless feature.

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  • From Phil Hobbs@21:1/5 to Cydrome Leader on Fri May 20 12:20:03 2022
    Cydrome Leader wrote:
    Don Y <blockedofcourse@foo.invalid> wrote:
    On 5/19/2022 6:46 PM, bitrex wrote:
    Mind you to my reading this option doesn't use the existing HVAC ducting to
    manage fragrance, it has its own set of fragrance-management blowers and >>>> ductwork.

    This isn't a joke btw folks, I'm not shitting you it's a real option

    Neighbor's vehicle has a Peltier cooler built in (to keep your beer
    cold while driving?)

    There are trucks with running boards that automatically raise/lower to
    make boarding/disbarking more convenient.

    I never figured that crap out. If you're 400 pounds and can't climb a
    step, you don't need a truck that rides 2 feet off the ground.

    But your better half might be five-feet-nothing, and not want to have to
    climb up that high in her Saturday night goin'-ta-town dress. ;)

    Cheers

    Phil Hobbs

    (Whose better half is an even foot less tall than he is.)

    --
    Dr Philip C D Hobbs
    Principal Consultant
    ElectroOptical Innovations LLC / Hobbs ElectroOptics
    Optics, Electro-optics, Photonics, Analog Electronics
    Briarcliff Manor NY 10510

    http://electrooptical.net
    http://hobbs-eo.com

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  • From jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com@21:1/5 to bitrex on Fri May 20 09:41:56 2022
    On Fri, 20 May 2022 12:01:56 -0400, bitrex <user@example.net> wrote:

    On 5/20/2022 11:34 AM, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
    On Fri, 20 May 2022 11:17:39 -0400, bitrex <user@example.net> wrote:

    On 5/19/2022 1:59 PM, Jeroen Belleman wrote:
    Any Tesla drivers here? I heard of this silly incident where
    someone forced the hatch shut by hand rather than pushing the
    button, and by doing so immobilized the car. Apparently, when
    you do that, it believes the hatch is still open and refuses
    to move. Don't you love modern cars?

    Comments?


    Yeah, in other news Elon Musk has been a Republican for less than 48
    hours and he already has a hush-money sexual harassment case against
    him.

    He apparently propositioned a woman. I'm sure none of the guys here
    would ever do anything so evil.

    No, I don't tend to characterize any type of consensual human sexual >relations as "evil" or care what people do in the privacy of their own
    homes, it's not my business in a fine free country such as this. It
    seems though there is some question as to whether he "exposed himself"
    or not, and whether this exposure came before or after the other party
    did or did not agree to it.

    She knew she would be giving him a full-body massage, and was being
    paid to do it.

    His behavior was tasteless and pathetic, but legal and fairly
    predictable.

    She got a quarter megabuck for an hour's work. Probably now more for
    selling her story.





    --

    Anybody can count to one.

    - Robert Widlar

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  • From Cydrome Leader@21:1/5 to Phil Hobbs on Sat May 21 01:57:38 2022
    Phil Hobbs <pcdhSpamMeSenseless@electrooptical.net> wrote:
    Cydrome Leader wrote:
    Don Y <blockedofcourse@foo.invalid> wrote:
    On 5/19/2022 6:46 PM, bitrex wrote:
    Mind you to my reading this option doesn't use the existing HVAC ducting to
    manage fragrance, it has its own set of fragrance-management blowers and >>>>> ductwork.

    This isn't a joke btw folks, I'm not shitting you it's a real option

    Neighbor's vehicle has a Peltier cooler built in (to keep your beer
    cold while driving?)

    There are trucks with running boards that automatically raise/lower to
    make boarding/disbarking more convenient.

    I never figured that crap out. If you're 400 pounds and can't climb a
    step, you don't need a truck that rides 2 feet off the ground.

    But your better half might be five-feet-nothing, and not want to have to climb up that high in her Saturday night goin'-ta-town dress. ;)

    Cheers

    Phil Hobbs

    (Whose better half is an even foot less tall than he is.)

    Like I was hinting at before, If you're hauling around cripples or what
    not, toss them in the back, or get a van with a wheelchair lift. The
    powered running boards are just pure nonsense.

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  • From bitrex@21:1/5 to jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com on Sat May 21 09:27:49 2022
    On 5/20/2022 12:41 PM, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
    On Fri, 20 May 2022 12:01:56 -0400, bitrex <user@example.net> wrote:

    On 5/20/2022 11:34 AM, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
    On Fri, 20 May 2022 11:17:39 -0400, bitrex <user@example.net> wrote:

    On 5/19/2022 1:59 PM, Jeroen Belleman wrote:
    Any Tesla drivers here? I heard of this silly incident where
    someone forced the hatch shut by hand rather than pushing the
    button, and by doing so immobilized the car. Apparently, when
    you do that, it believes the hatch is still open and refuses
    to move. Don't you love modern cars?

    Comments?


    Yeah, in other news Elon Musk has been a Republican for less than 48
    hours and he already has a hush-money sexual harassment case against
    him.

    He apparently propositioned a woman. I'm sure none of the guys here
    would ever do anything so evil.

    No, I don't tend to characterize any type of consensual human sexual
    relations as "evil" or care what people do in the privacy of their own
    homes, it's not my business in a fine free country such as this. It
    seems though there is some question as to whether he "exposed himself"
    or not, and whether this exposure came before or after the other party
    did or did not agree to it.

    She knew she would be giving him a full-body massage, and was being
    paid to do it.

    His behavior was tasteless and pathetic, but legal and fairly
    predictable.

    She got a quarter megabuck for an hour's work. Probably now more for
    selling her story.


    He's a shrewd one, he knows that by joining team MAGA he'll have a lot
    of Americans who believe there's a global conspiracy of fabulously
    wealthy elite Satan-worshiping sexual predators:

    <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/QAnon>

    Get together to help defend the wealthiest alleged sexual predator in
    the world. It makes perfect sense!

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  • From jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com@21:1/5 to bitrex on Sat May 21 07:21:29 2022
    On Sat, 21 May 2022 09:27:49 -0400, bitrex <user@example.net> wrote:

    On 5/20/2022 12:41 PM, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
    On Fri, 20 May 2022 12:01:56 -0400, bitrex <user@example.net> wrote:

    On 5/20/2022 11:34 AM, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
    On Fri, 20 May 2022 11:17:39 -0400, bitrex <user@example.net> wrote:

    On 5/19/2022 1:59 PM, Jeroen Belleman wrote:
    Any Tesla drivers here? I heard of this silly incident where
    someone forced the hatch shut by hand rather than pushing the
    button, and by doing so immobilized the car. Apparently, when
    you do that, it believes the hatch is still open and refuses
    to move. Don't you love modern cars?

    Comments?


    Yeah, in other news Elon Musk has been a Republican for less than 48 >>>>> hours and he already has a hush-money sexual harassment case against >>>>> him.

    He apparently propositioned a woman. I'm sure none of the guys here
    would ever do anything so evil.

    No, I don't tend to characterize any type of consensual human sexual
    relations as "evil" or care what people do in the privacy of their own
    homes, it's not my business in a fine free country such as this. It
    seems though there is some question as to whether he "exposed himself"
    or not, and whether this exposure came before or after the other party
    did or did not agree to it.

    She knew she would be giving him a full-body massage, and was being
    paid to do it.

    His behavior was tasteless and pathetic, but legal and fairly
    predictable.

    She got a quarter megabuck for an hour's work. Probably now more for
    selling her story.


    He's a shrewd one, he knows that by joining team MAGA he'll have a lot
    of Americans who believe there's a global conspiracy of fabulously
    wealthy elite Satan-worshiping sexual predators:

    <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/QAnon>

    Get together to help defend the wealthiest alleged sexual predator in
    the world. It makes perfect sense!

    Asking for sex makes you a predator? And I do mean you.




    --

    Anybody can count to one.

    - Robert Widlar

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  • From bitrex@21:1/5 to Jeroen Belleman on Sat May 21 10:17:42 2022
    On 5/19/2022 1:59 PM, Jeroen Belleman wrote:
    Any Tesla drivers here? I heard of this silly incident where
    someone forced the hatch shut by hand rather than pushing the
    button, and by doing so immobilized the car. Apparently, when
    you do that, it believes the hatch is still open and refuses
    to move. Don't you love modern cars?

    Comments?

    Jeroen --the driver should always have the final word-- Belleman

    Cool feature:

    <https://twitter.com/mjarchie1/status/1527708021903609857>

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  • From bitrex@21:1/5 to jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com on Sat May 21 20:09:09 2022
    On 5/21/2022 10:21 AM, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
    On Sat, 21 May 2022 09:27:49 -0400, bitrex <user@example.net> wrote:

    On 5/20/2022 12:41 PM, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
    On Fri, 20 May 2022 12:01:56 -0400, bitrex <user@example.net> wrote:

    On 5/20/2022 11:34 AM, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
    On Fri, 20 May 2022 11:17:39 -0400, bitrex <user@example.net> wrote: >>>>>
    On 5/19/2022 1:59 PM, Jeroen Belleman wrote:
    Any Tesla drivers here? I heard of this silly incident where
    someone forced the hatch shut by hand rather than pushing the
    button, and by doing so immobilized the car. Apparently, when
    you do that, it believes the hatch is still open and refuses
    to move. Don't you love modern cars?

    Comments?


    Yeah, in other news Elon Musk has been a Republican for less than 48 >>>>>> hours and he already has a hush-money sexual harassment case against >>>>>> him.

    He apparently propositioned a woman. I'm sure none of the guys here
    would ever do anything so evil.

    No, I don't tend to characterize any type of consensual human sexual
    relations as "evil" or care what people do in the privacy of their own >>>> homes, it's not my business in a fine free country such as this. It
    seems though there is some question as to whether he "exposed himself" >>>> or not, and whether this exposure came before or after the other party >>>> did or did not agree to it.

    She knew she would be giving him a full-body massage, and was being
    paid to do it.

    His behavior was tasteless and pathetic, but legal and fairly
    predictable.

    She got a quarter megabuck for an hour's work. Probably now more for
    selling her story.


    He's a shrewd one, he knows that by joining team MAGA he'll have a lot
    of Americans who believe there's a global conspiracy of fabulously
    wealthy elite Satan-worshiping sexual predators:

    <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/QAnon>

    Get together to help defend the wealthiest alleged sexual predator in
    the world. It makes perfect sense!

    Asking for sex makes you a predator? And I do mean you.

    Touching someone sexually or exposing yourself to them without their
    permission could (it's claimed he did this), asking for sex in exchange
    for a horse just makes you a john, which is illegal in most
    jurisdictions in the US, what jurisdiction transatlantic private flights
    fall under on that I'm not sure offhand.

    Can't say I've ever asked anyone I didn't know very well "for sex" in
    that kind of matter-of-fact manner, I like to get to know a person,
    y'know? And then things just sort of happen naturally. This
    instructional video for men is still as relevant today as in 1950 I think:

    <https://youtu.be/FtgwyzC1ySI>

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  • From bitrex@21:1/5 to jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com on Sat May 21 20:22:55 2022
    On 5/21/2022 10:21 AM, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
    On Sat, 21 May 2022 09:27:49 -0400, bitrex <user@example.net> wrote:

    On 5/20/2022 12:41 PM, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
    On Fri, 20 May 2022 12:01:56 -0400, bitrex <user@example.net> wrote:

    On 5/20/2022 11:34 AM, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
    On Fri, 20 May 2022 11:17:39 -0400, bitrex <user@example.net> wrote: >>>>>
    On 5/19/2022 1:59 PM, Jeroen Belleman wrote:
    Any Tesla drivers here? I heard of this silly incident where
    someone forced the hatch shut by hand rather than pushing the
    button, and by doing so immobilized the car. Apparently, when
    you do that, it believes the hatch is still open and refuses
    to move. Don't you love modern cars?

    Comments?


    Yeah, in other news Elon Musk has been a Republican for less than 48 >>>>>> hours and he already has a hush-money sexual harassment case against >>>>>> him.

    He apparently propositioned a woman. I'm sure none of the guys here
    would ever do anything so evil.

    No, I don't tend to characterize any type of consensual human sexual
    relations as "evil" or care what people do in the privacy of their own >>>> homes, it's not my business in a fine free country such as this. It
    seems though there is some question as to whether he "exposed himself" >>>> or not, and whether this exposure came before or after the other party >>>> did or did not agree to it.

    She knew she would be giving him a full-body massage, and was being
    paid to do it.

    His behavior was tasteless and pathetic, but legal and fairly
    predictable.

    She got a quarter megabuck for an hour's work. Probably now more for
    selling her story.


    He's a shrewd one, he knows that by joining team MAGA he'll have a lot
    of Americans who believe there's a global conspiracy of fabulously
    wealthy elite Satan-worshiping sexual predators:

    <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/QAnon>

    Get together to help defend the wealthiest alleged sexual predator in
    the world. It makes perfect sense!

    Asking for sex makes you a predator? And I do mean you.


    Here's a better summary of the incident in illustrated form:

    <https://imgur.com/a/eS0PaAE>

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  • From Lasse Langwadt Christensen@21:1/5 to All on Sat May 21 17:48:24 2022
    søndag den 22. maj 2022 kl. 02.09.18 UTC+2 skrev bitrex:
    On 5/21/2022 10:21 AM, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
    On Sat, 21 May 2022 09:27:49 -0400, bitrex <us...@example.net> wrote:

    On 5/20/2022 12:41 PM, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
    On Fri, 20 May 2022 12:01:56 -0400, bitrex <us...@example.net> wrote: >>>
    On 5/20/2022 11:34 AM, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
    On Fri, 20 May 2022 11:17:39 -0400, bitrex <us...@example.net> wrote: >>>>>
    On 5/19/2022 1:59 PM, Jeroen Belleman wrote:
    Any Tesla drivers here? I heard of this silly incident where
    someone forced the hatch shut by hand rather than pushing the >>>>>>> button, and by doing so immobilized the car. Apparently, when >>>>>>> you do that, it believes the hatch is still open and refuses
    to move. Don't you love modern cars?

    Comments?


    Yeah, in other news Elon Musk has been a Republican for less than 48 >>>>>> hours and he already has a hush-money sexual harassment case against >>>>>> him.

    He apparently propositioned a woman. I'm sure none of the guys here >>>>> would ever do anything so evil.

    No, I don't tend to characterize any type of consensual human sexual >>>> relations as "evil" or care what people do in the privacy of their own >>>> homes, it's not my business in a fine free country such as this. It >>>> seems though there is some question as to whether he "exposed himself" >>>> or not, and whether this exposure came before or after the other party >>>> did or did not agree to it.

    She knew she would be giving him a full-body massage, and was being
    paid to do it.

    His behavior was tasteless and pathetic, but legal and fairly
    predictable.

    She got a quarter megabuck for an hour's work. Probably now more for
    selling her story.


    He's a shrewd one, he knows that by joining team MAGA he'll have a lot
    of Americans who believe there's a global conspiracy of fabulously
    wealthy elite Satan-worshiping sexual predators:

    <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/QAnon>

    Get together to help defend the wealthiest alleged sexual predator in
    the world. It makes perfect sense!

    Asking for sex makes you a predator? And I do mean you.
    Touching someone sexually or exposing yourself to them without their permission could (it's claimed he did this), asking for sex in exchange
    for a horse just makes you a john, which is illegal in most
    jurisdictions in the US,

    I'm sure thoughtout history there's a few girlfriends and wifes that has gotten more than that ...

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  • From Ricky@21:1/5 to jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com on Sun May 22 16:31:21 2022
    On Friday, May 20, 2022 at 11:34:11 AM UTC-4, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
    On Fri, 20 May 2022 11:17:39 -0400, bitrex <us...@example.net> wrote:
    On 5/19/2022 1:59 PM, Jeroen Belleman wrote:
    Any Tesla drivers here? I heard of this silly incident where
    someone forced the hatch shut by hand rather than pushing the
    button, and by doing so immobilized the car. Apparently, when
    you do that, it believes the hatch is still open and refuses
    to move. Don't you love modern cars?

    Comments?


    Yeah, in other news Elon Musk has been a Republican for less than 48
    hours and he already has a hush-money sexual harassment case against
    him.
    He apparently propositioned a woman. I'm sure none of the guys here
    would ever do anything so evil.

    The alleged incident was in 2018. Within 48 hours of becoming a
    Republican, the scandal is public.

    Yeah, I guess Musk knew it was coming so knew he needed to get in front of it by switching to a group he knew he could get support from.

    --

    Rick C.

    ++ Get 1,000 miles of free Supercharging
    ++ Tesla referral code - https://ts.la/richard11209

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  • From Ricky@21:1/5 to bitrex on Sun May 22 16:29:12 2022
    On Friday, May 20, 2022 at 9:42:21 AM UTC-4, bitrex wrote:
    On 5/19/2022 10:35 PM, Ricky wrote:
    On Thursday, May 19, 2022 at 9:47:03 PM UTC-4, bitrex wrote:
    On 5/19/2022 9:39 PM, bitrex wrote:
    On 5/19/2022 6:42 PM, John Larkin wrote:
    On Thu, 19 May 2022 21:49:14 -0000 (UTC), Cydrome Leader
    <pres...@MUNGEpanix.com> wrote:

    Ricky <gnuarm.del...@gmail.com> wrote:
    On Thursday, May 19, 2022 at 2:36:14 PM UTC-4, John Larkin wrote: >>>>>>> On Thu, 19 May 2022 19:59:23 +0200, Jeroen Belleman
    <jer...@nospam.please> wrote:

    Any Tesla drivers here? I heard of this silly incident where >>>>>>>> someone forced the hatch shut by hand rather than pushing the >>>>>>>> button, and by doing so immobilized the car. Apparently, when >>>>>>>> you do that, it believes the hatch is still open and refuses >>>>>>>> to move. Don't you love modern cars?

    Comments?

    Jeroen --the driver should always have the final word-- Belleman >>>>>>> With luck, the microprocessor shortage will drive the car designers >>>>>>> back to using knobs that you can grab and turn without taking your >>>>>>> eyes off the road.

    Or just common sense will do it.

    The reason they don't have a choice is the proliferation of
    controls. Cars are becoming far too complex to put buttons on the >>>>>> dash for everything.

    Most of those controls are not necessary in the first place.


    Right. It's a car.


    An option on I believe the Mercedes Benz E class coupe for 2022 is a
    cabin fragrance management system. You put the Mercedes Benz-brand
    fragrance vials in your choice of scents into the locking,
    LED-illuminated fragrance injector unit at the back of the glove
    compartment.

    Mind you to my reading this option doesn't use the existing HVAC ducting >>> to manage fragrance, it has its own set of fragrance-management blowers >>> and ductwork.
    This isn't a joke btw folks, I'm not shitting you it's a real option

    What's wrong with that? People have been using scents in cars for decades. So the luxury car brand is making available without stopping at a gas station... sounds like an improvement for those who like it.
    They're probably out of stock of the fragrance vials due to supply-chain issues, lol
    Why is everyone on the rag over the fact that people like things and car makers provide them? What a bunch of whiny little girls!

    That's racist

    No, it's not.

    https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-1-d&q=racist

    --

    Rick C.

    +- Get 1,000 miles of free Supercharging
    +- Tesla referral code - https://ts.la/richard11209

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  • From Ricky@21:1/5 to Phil Hobbs on Sun May 22 16:34:29 2022
    On Friday, May 20, 2022 at 12:20:13 PM UTC-4, Phil Hobbs wrote:
    Cydrome Leader wrote:
    Don Y <blocked...@foo.invalid> wrote:
    On 5/19/2022 6:46 PM, bitrex wrote:
    Mind you to my reading this option doesn't use the existing HVAC ducting to
    manage fragrance, it has its own set of fragrance-management blowers and >>>> ductwork.

    This isn't a joke btw folks, I'm not shitting you it's a real option

    Neighbor's vehicle has a Peltier cooler built in (to keep your beer
    cold while driving?)

    There are trucks with running boards that automatically raise/lower to
    make boarding/disbarking more convenient.

    I never figured that crap out. If you're 400 pounds and can't climb a
    step, you don't need a truck that rides 2 feet off the ground.
    But your better half might be five-feet-nothing, and not want to have to climb up that high in her Saturday night goin'-ta-town dress. ;)

    I'm curious, do you really think he is going to say, "Oh, I hadn't thought of that! I guess you are right." ???

    I will read on.

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    Rick C.

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  • From Ricky@21:1/5 to Cydrome Leader on Sun May 22 16:36:24 2022
    On Friday, May 20, 2022 at 9:57:45 PM UTC-4, Cydrome Leader wrote:
    Phil Hobbs <pcdhSpamM...@electrooptical.net> wrote:
    Cydrome Leader wrote:
    Don Y <blocked...@foo.invalid> wrote:
    On 5/19/2022 6:46 PM, bitrex wrote:
    Mind you to my reading this option doesn't use the existing HVAC ducting to
    manage fragrance, it has its own set of fragrance-management blowers and
    ductwork.

    This isn't a joke btw folks, I'm not shitting you it's a real option

    Neighbor's vehicle has a Peltier cooler built in (to keep your beer
    cold while driving?)

    There are trucks with running boards that automatically raise/lower to >>> make boarding/disbarking more convenient.

    I never figured that crap out. If you're 400 pounds and can't climb a
    step, you don't need a truck that rides 2 feet off the ground.

    But your better half might be five-feet-nothing, and not want to have to climb up that high in her Saturday night goin'-ta-town dress. ;)

    Cheers

    Phil Hobbs

    (Whose better half is an even foot less tall than he is.)
    Like I was hinting at before, If you're hauling around cripples or what
    not, toss them in the back, or get a van with a wheelchair lift. The
    powered running boards are just pure nonsense.

    As I fully expected. LOL!

    Some people you just don't try to talk it. It's like dressing up a pig.

    --

    Rick C.

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  • From Ricky@21:1/5 to bitrex on Sun May 22 16:41:39 2022
    On Saturday, May 21, 2022 at 10:17:50 AM UTC-4, bitrex wrote:
    On 5/19/2022 1:59 PM, Jeroen Belleman wrote:
    Any Tesla drivers here? I heard of this silly incident where
    someone forced the hatch shut by hand rather than pushing the
    button, and by doing so immobilized the car. Apparently, when
    you do that, it believes the hatch is still open and refuses
    to move. Don't you love modern cars?

    Comments?

    Jeroen --the driver should always have the final word-- Belleman
    Cool feature:

    <https://twitter.com/mjarchie1/status/1527708021903609857>

    I like this reply,

    "Pictures like this wouldn’t be available if elon owned @Twitter"

    LOL

    --

    Rick C.

    -+- Get 1,000 miles of free Supercharging
    -+- Tesla referral code - https://ts.la/richard11209

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  • From John Doe@21:1/5 to All on Sun May 22 23:55:42 2022
    Related (without starting a new thread, to save trees)...

    Elon Musk's tweet on Friday...

    "Bet most people still dont know that a Clinton campaign lawyer, using campaign funds, created an elaborate hoax about Trump and Russia. Makes you wonder what else is fake."

    That hasn't been flagged by Twitter?

    LOLOLOLOLOLOLOL

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  • From Cursitor Doom@21:1/5 to gnuarm.deletethisbit@gmail.com on Wed May 25 11:05:19 2022
    On Thu, 19 May 2022 12:59:28 -0700 (PDT), Ricky <gnuarm.deletethisbit@gmail.com> wrote:

    Cars are becoming far too complex

    There's your problem right there.

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  • From DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno@decadenc@21:1/5 to TurdSipper Dumb on Wed May 25 10:58:12 2022
    TurdSipper Dumb <cd@notformail.com> wrote in news:rpvr8h54drmcn68decpn0be871527hclhf@4ax.com:

    On Thu, 19 May 2022 12:59:28 -0700 (PDT), Ricky <gnuarm.deletethisbit@gmail.com> wrote:

    Cars are becoming far too complex

    There's your problem right there.

    TurdSipper Dumb is becoming far too stupid.
    Not that he wasn't dirt dumb his entire, pathetic life.
    Must have been all those fake princely encounters he spent his life
    bragging about as if it provided some further up notch in existence.

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  • From Cursitor Doom@21:1/5 to '''newspam'''@nonad.co.uk on Wed May 25 23:37:31 2022
    On Thu, 19 May 2022 22:04:24 +0100, Martin Brown
    <'''newspam'''@nonad.co.uk> wrote:

    On 19/05/2022 18:59, Jeroen Belleman wrote:
    Any Tesla drivers here? I heard of this silly incident where
    someone forced the hatch shut by hand rather than pushing the
    button, and by doing so immobilized the car. Apparently, when
    you do that, it believes the hatch is still open and refuses
    to move. Don't you love modern cars?

    Comments?

    Jeroen --the driver should always have the final word-- Belleman

    Even in the pre smartphone with everything era I have had a fairly high
    end car decide to freeze on me because it suddenly thought it had been
    stolen and on a roundabout at rush hour. The only thing that could be
    done was push it to the side of the road and await rescue. Immobilisers
    were quite new and little understood back then. I expect the thieves >understood them batter than anyone else!

    Roadside assistance couldn't do anything with it beyond dragging it onto
    a tow away truck. It came back with the immobiliser reset and "no fault >found" from the dealer. It didn't ever do it again which was a bonus.

    I had a V70 Volvo that kept locking me out of it for no apparent
    reason. Computer scan by the main dealer showed no fault present or
    logged. I could see it would one day let me down late at night in a thunderstorm so got rid of it. Best decision I ever made was to never
    have another modern car ever again. I only drive vintage stuff now.

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  • From Ricky@21:1/5 to Cursitor Doom on Wed May 25 20:45:10 2022
    On Wednesday, May 25, 2022 at 6:37:38 PM UTC-4, Cursitor Doom wrote:
    On Thu, 19 May 2022 22:04:24 +0100, Martin Brown
    <'''newspam'''@nonad.co.uk> wrote:
    On 19/05/2022 18:59, Jeroen Belleman wrote:
    Any Tesla drivers here? I heard of this silly incident where
    someone forced the hatch shut by hand rather than pushing the
    button, and by doing so immobilized the car. Apparently, when
    you do that, it believes the hatch is still open and refuses
    to move. Don't you love modern cars?

    Comments?

    Jeroen --the driver should always have the final word-- Belleman

    Even in the pre smartphone with everything era I have had a fairly high
    end car decide to freeze on me because it suddenly thought it had been >stolen and on a roundabout at rush hour. The only thing that could be
    done was push it to the side of the road and await rescue. Immobilisers >were quite new and little understood back then. I expect the thieves >understood them batter than anyone else!

    Roadside assistance couldn't do anything with it beyond dragging it onto
    a tow away truck. It came back with the immobiliser reset and "no fault >found" from the dealer. It didn't ever do it again which was a bonus.

    I had a V70 Volvo that kept locking me out of it for no apparent
    reason. Computer scan by the main dealer showed no fault present or
    logged. I could see it would one day let me down late at night in a thunderstorm so got rid of it. Best decision I ever made was to never
    have another modern car ever again. I only drive vintage stuff now.

    What will you do when there's only 1 of 10 gas stations left because nearly everyone is driving BEVs? Well, that's not until 2040, so maybe none of us will be around and s.e.d. is long gone too.

    --

    Rick C.

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    -++ Tesla referral code - https://ts.la/richard11209

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  • From DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno@decadenc@21:1/5 to TurdSipper Dumb on Thu May 26 04:39:26 2022
    TurdSipper Dumb <td@notformail.com> wrote in news:0obt8h9b8kmubk92jbjtuhhvjai7ud6sgh@4ax.com:


    I had a V70 Volvo that kept locking me out of it for no apparent
    reason. Computer scan by the main dealer showed no fault present
    or logged. I could see it would one day let me down late at night
    in a thunderstorm so got rid of it. Best decision I ever made was
    to never have another modern car ever again. I only drive vintage
    stuff now.


    I'll bet the Volvo was never able to unsee your visage and probably
    drove itself off a cliff.

    Instead of Miss Daisy, you drive Rosy Palm and her five sisters.
    Vintage stuff indeed. Bloody hilarious.

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  • From Joe Gwinn@21:1/5 to All on Mon May 30 11:32:53 2022
    On Fri, 20 May 2022 08:27:12 -0700, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com
    wrote:

    On Fri, 20 May 2022 11:17:39 -0400, bitrex <user@example.net> wrote:

    On 5/19/2022 1:59 PM, Jeroen Belleman wrote:
    Any Tesla drivers here? I heard of this silly incident where
    someone forced the hatch shut by hand rather than pushing the
    button, and by doing so immobilized the car. Apparently, when
    you do that, it believes the hatch is still open and refuses
    to move. Don't you love modern cars?

    Comments?


    Yeah, in other news Elon Musk has been a Republican for less than 48
    hours and he already has a hush-money sexual harassment case against
    him. Ancient story of Cinderella, if shoe fits...

    Jeroen --the driver should always have the final word-- Belleman

    New movie:

    https://www.theguardian.com/tv-and-radio/2022/may/17/elon-musk-crash-course-documentary-tesla

    Yeah. I may have saved the life of a co-worker who wanted a Tesla for
    the self-driving bit, and was totally overestimating the capability of
    Teslas to handle unexpected situations, ones for which it was never
    programmed or trained, when I provided a few accident reports plus my
    analysis of what had fooled the Tesla, destroying his trust in the
    autopilot.

    The basic problem is that the current technology of understanding a
    visual scene is quite immature, being far less capable that of almost
    any vertebrate animal.

    The Neuroscience folk have figured out a good bit of it, but their
    algorithms require implementation of hyperdimensional associative
    memory of specific kinds, which we can only simulate clumsily on
    modern computers (no matter how many cores et al), and cannot
    implement in any form suitable for following a scene fast enough to
    guide an automobile at 190 mph (regularly achieved on the German
    autobahn).

    Joe Gwinn

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  • From Ricky@21:1/5 to Joe Gwinn on Mon May 30 08:49:23 2022
    On Monday, May 30, 2022 at 11:33:06 AM UTC-4, Joe Gwinn wrote:
    On Fri, 20 May 2022 08:27:12 -0700, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com
    wrote:
    On Fri, 20 May 2022 11:17:39 -0400, bitrex <us...@example.net> wrote:

    On 5/19/2022 1:59 PM, Jeroen Belleman wrote:
    Any Tesla drivers here? I heard of this silly incident where
    someone forced the hatch shut by hand rather than pushing the
    button, and by doing so immobilized the car. Apparently, when
    you do that, it believes the hatch is still open and refuses
    to move. Don't you love modern cars?

    Comments?


    Yeah, in other news Elon Musk has been a Republican for less than 48 >>hours and he already has a hush-money sexual harassment case against >>him. Ancient story of Cinderella, if shoe fits...

    Jeroen --the driver should always have the final word-- Belleman

    New movie:

    https://www.theguardian.com/tv-and-radio/2022/may/17/elon-musk-crash-course-documentary-tesla
    Yeah. I may have saved the life of a co-worker who wanted a Tesla for
    the self-driving bit, and was totally overestimating the capability of Teslas to handle unexpected situations, ones for which it was never programmed or trained, when I provided a few accident reports plus my analysis of what had fooled the Tesla, destroying his trust in the autopilot.

    The basic problem is that the current technology of understanding a
    visual scene is quite immature, being far less capable that of almost
    any vertebrate animal.

    The Neuroscience folk have figured out a good bit of it, but their algorithms require implementation of hyperdimensional associative
    memory of specific kinds, which we can only simulate clumsily on
    modern computers (no matter how many cores et al), and cannot
    implement in any form suitable for following a scene fast enough to
    guide an automobile at 190 mph (regularly achieved on the German
    autobahn).

    It would seem that your friend, like yourself seems to think the autopilot is autonomous, it's not. It's not intended to be autonomous. Tesla warns you in every way possible to pay attention as if you were driving while using the autopilot. I don't
    think they could do much more to alert people to the fact that autopilot is simply a driving aid, not a substitute for a mentally capable driver.

    The autopilot is very nice. I often find myself trying to double tap the cruise control which my Kia doesn't have. :(

    --

    Rick C.

    +-- Get 1,000 miles of free Supercharging
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  • From John Doe@21:1/5 to Joe Gwinn on Mon May 30 16:50:22 2022
    Joe Gwinn <joegwinn@comcast.net> wrote:

    jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
    bitrex <user@example.net> wrote:
    Jeroen Belleman wrote:

    Any Tesla drivers here? I heard of this silly incident where someone
    forced the hatch shut by hand rather than pushing the button, and by
    doing so immobilized the car. Apparently, when you do that, it
    believes the hatch is still open and refuses to move. Don't you love
    modern cars?

    Yeah, in other news Elon Musk has been a Republican for less than 48
    hours and he already has a hush-money sexual harassment case against
    him. Ancient story of Cinderella, if shoe fits...

    Jeroen --the driver should always have the final word-- Belleman

    New movie:

    https://www.theguardian.com/tv-and-radio/2022/may/17/elon-musk-crash-course-documentary-tesla

    Yeah. I may have saved the life of a co-worker who wanted a Tesla for
    the self-driving bit, and was totally overestimating the capability of
    Teslas to handle unexpected situations, ones for which it was never programmed or trained, when I provided a few accident reports plus my analysis of what had fooled the Tesla, destroying his trust in the
    autopilot.

    The basic problem is that the current technology of understanding a
    visual scene is quite immature, being far less capable that of almost
    any vertebrate animal.

    The Neuroscience folk have figured out a good bit of it, but their
    algorithms require implementation of hyperdimensional associative memory
    of specific kinds, which we can only simulate clumsily on modern
    computers (no matter how many cores et al), and cannot implement in any
    form suitable for following a scene fast enough to guide an automobile
    at 190 mph (regularly achieved on the German autobahn).

    Yep. Simply put... Interpreting graphics, especially in motion, is not a computer's strong suit.

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  • From Lasse Langwadt Christensen@21:1/5 to All on Mon May 30 10:04:00 2022
    mandag den 30. maj 2022 kl. 17.49.28 UTC+2 skrev Ricky:
    On Monday, May 30, 2022 at 11:33:06 AM UTC-4, Joe Gwinn wrote:
    On Fri, 20 May 2022 08:27:12 -0700, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
    On Fri, 20 May 2022 11:17:39 -0400, bitrex <us...@example.net> wrote:

    On 5/19/2022 1:59 PM, Jeroen Belleman wrote:
    Any Tesla drivers here? I heard of this silly incident where
    someone forced the hatch shut by hand rather than pushing the
    button, and by doing so immobilized the car. Apparently, when
    you do that, it believes the hatch is still open and refuses
    to move. Don't you love modern cars?

    Comments?


    Yeah, in other news Elon Musk has been a Republican for less than 48 >>hours and he already has a hush-money sexual harassment case against >>him. Ancient story of Cinderella, if shoe fits...

    Jeroen --the driver should always have the final word-- Belleman

    New movie:

    https://www.theguardian.com/tv-and-radio/2022/may/17/elon-musk-crash-course-documentary-tesla
    Yeah. I may have saved the life of a co-worker who wanted a Tesla for
    the self-driving bit, and was totally overestimating the capability of Teslas to handle unexpected situations, ones for which it was never programmed or trained, when I provided a few accident reports plus my analysis of what had fooled the Tesla, destroying his trust in the autopilot.

    The basic problem is that the current technology of understanding a
    visual scene is quite immature, being far less capable that of almost
    any vertebrate animal.

    The Neuroscience folk have figured out a good bit of it, but their algorithms require implementation of hyperdimensional associative
    memory of specific kinds, which we can only simulate clumsily on
    modern computers (no matter how many cores et al), and cannot
    implement in any form suitable for following a scene fast enough to
    guide an automobile at 190 mph (regularly achieved on the German autobahn).
    It would seem that your friend, like yourself seems to think the autopilot is autonomous, it's not. It's not intended to be autonomous. Tesla warns you in every way possible to pay attention as if you were driving while using the autopilot. I don't
    think they could do much more to alert people to the fact that autopilot is simply a driving aid, not a substitute for a mentally capable driver.


    probably a mistake to call it autopilot..

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  • From Ricky@21:1/5 to lang...@fonz.dk on Mon May 30 10:47:14 2022
    On Monday, May 30, 2022 at 1:04:05 PM UTC-4, lang...@fonz.dk wrote:
    mandag den 30. maj 2022 kl. 17.49.28 UTC+2 skrev Ricky:
    On Monday, May 30, 2022 at 11:33:06 AM UTC-4, Joe Gwinn wrote:
    On Fri, 20 May 2022 08:27:12 -0700, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
    On Fri, 20 May 2022 11:17:39 -0400, bitrex <us...@example.net> wrote:

    On 5/19/2022 1:59 PM, Jeroen Belleman wrote:
    Any Tesla drivers here? I heard of this silly incident where
    someone forced the hatch shut by hand rather than pushing the
    button, and by doing so immobilized the car. Apparently, when
    you do that, it believes the hatch is still open and refuses
    to move. Don't you love modern cars?

    Comments?


    Yeah, in other news Elon Musk has been a Republican for less than 48 >>hours and he already has a hush-money sexual harassment case against >>him. Ancient story of Cinderella, if shoe fits...

    Jeroen --the driver should always have the final word-- Belleman

    New movie:

    https://www.theguardian.com/tv-and-radio/2022/may/17/elon-musk-crash-course-documentary-tesla
    Yeah. I may have saved the life of a co-worker who wanted a Tesla for the self-driving bit, and was totally overestimating the capability of Teslas to handle unexpected situations, ones for which it was never programmed or trained, when I provided a few accident reports plus my analysis of what had fooled the Tesla, destroying his trust in the autopilot.

    The basic problem is that the current technology of understanding a visual scene is quite immature, being far less capable that of almost any vertebrate animal.

    The Neuroscience folk have figured out a good bit of it, but their algorithms require implementation of hyperdimensional associative
    memory of specific kinds, which we can only simulate clumsily on
    modern computers (no matter how many cores et al), and cannot
    implement in any form suitable for following a scene fast enough to guide an automobile at 190 mph (regularly achieved on the German autobahn).
    It would seem that your friend, like yourself seems to think the autopilot is autonomous, it's not. It's not intended to be autonomous. Tesla warns you in every way possible to pay attention as if you were driving while using the autopilot. I don't
    think they could do much more to alert people to the fact that autopilot is simply a driving aid, not a substitute for a mentally capable driver.

    probably a mistake to call it autopilot..

    Pretty much the same thing really. You don't put on autopilot in a plane and go walking around the cabin. It simply flies the plane. It doesn't avoid or handle all situations. It just flies the plane better than a human can in normal conditions.
    That much is true of the Tesla autopilot.

    The problem is people don't understand what autopilot does in an airplane. So in that sense, yeah, maybe a bad choice of names.

    --

    Rick C.

    +-+ Get 1,000 miles of free Supercharging
    +-+ Tesla referral code - https://ts.la/richard11209

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  • From Anthony William Sloman@21:1/5 to Cursitor Doom on Sat Jun 4 09:41:10 2022
    On Thursday, May 26, 2022 at 8:37:38 AM UTC+10, Cursitor Doom wrote:
    On Thu, 19 May 2022 22:04:24 +0100, Martin Brown
    <'''newspam'''@nonad.co.uk> wrote:
    On 19/05/2022 18:59, Jeroen Belleman wrote:
    Any Tesla drivers here? I heard of this silly incident where
    someone forced the hatch shut by hand rather than pushing the
    button, and by doing so immobilized the car. Apparently, when
    you do that, it believes the hatch is still open and refuses
    to move. Don't you love modern cars?

    Comments?

    Jeroen --the driver should always have the final word-- Belleman

    Even in the pre smartphone with everything era I have had a fairly high
    end car decide to freeze on me because it suddenly thought it had been >stolen and on a roundabout at rush hour. The only thing that could be
    done was push it to the side of the road and await rescue. Immobilisers >were quite new and little understood back then. I expect the thieves >understood them batter than anyone else!

    Roadside assistance couldn't do anything with it beyond dragging it onto
    a tow away truck. It came back with the immobiliser reset and "no fault >found" from the dealer. It didn't ever do it again which was a bonus.

    I had a V70 Volvo that kept locking me out of it for no apparent reason.

    That would have been the anti-social twit detector.

    Computer scan by the main dealer showed no fault present or logged.

    No point in telling a customer that he isn't the kind of driver they want in control of their cars.

    I could see it would one day let me down late at night in a thunderstorm so got rid of it.

    More likely drive you off a high cliff at speed. You managed to get rid of it before it succeeded in getting rid of you. Pity.

    Best decision I ever made was to never have another modern car ever again. I only drive vintage stuff now.

    No anti-lock braking system? There's hope for us yet.

    --
    Bill Sloman, Sydney

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  • From John Doe@21:1/5 to Anthony William Sloman on Sat Jun 4 17:10:52 2022
    XPost: free.spam

    Bozo being a dick, as always...

    --
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    On Thursday, May 26, 2022 at 8:37:38 AM UTC+10, Cursitor Doom wrote:
    On Thu, 19 May 2022 22:04:24 +0100, Martin Brown
    <'''newspam'''@nonad.co.uk> wrote:
    On 19/05/2022 18:59, Jeroen Belleman wrote:
    Any Tesla drivers here? I heard of this silly incident where
    someone forced the hatch shut by hand rather than pushing the
    button, and by doing so immobilized the car. Apparently, when
    you do that, it believes the hatch is still open and refuses
    to move. Don't you love modern cars?

    Comments?

    Jeroen --the driver should always have the final word-- Belleman

    Even in the pre smartphone with everything era I have had a fairly high
    end car decide to freeze on me because it suddenly thought it had been
    stolen and on a roundabout at rush hour. The only thing that could be
    done was push it to the side of the road and await rescue. Immobilisers
    were quite new and little understood back then. I expect the thieves
    understood them batter than anyone else!

    Roadside assistance couldn't do anything with it beyond dragging it onto
    a tow away truck. It came back with the immobiliser reset and "no fault
    found" from the dealer. It didn't ever do it again which was a bonus.

    I had a V70 Volvo that kept locking me out of it for no apparent reason.

    That would have been the anti-social twit detector.

    Computer scan by the main dealer showed no fault present or logged.

    No point in telling a customer that he isn't the kind of driver they want in control of their cars.

    I could see it would one day let me down late at night in a thunderstorm so got rid of it.

    More likely drive you off a high cliff at speed. You managed to get rid of it before it succeeded in getting rid of you. Pity.

    Best decision I ever made was to never have another modern car ever again. I only drive vintage stuff now.

    No anti-lock braking system? There's hope for us yet.

    --
    Bill Sloman, Sydney


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  • From Edward Hernandez@21:1/5 to All on Sat Jun 4 18:37:43 2022
    XPost: free.spam

    In message-id <t6nt3e$7bp$3@dont-email.me> (http://al.howardknight.net/?ID=165357273000) posted Thu, 26 May 2022
    12:50:54 -0000 (UTC) John Dope stated:

    Always Wrong, the utterly foulmouthed group idiot, adding absolutely
    NOTHING but insults to this thread, as usual...

    Yet, since Wed, 5 Jan 2022 04:10:38 -0000 (UTC) John Dope's post ratio
    to USENET (**) has been 59.0% of its posts contributing "nothing except insults" to USENET.

    ** Since Wed, 5 Jan 2022 04:10:38 -0000 (UTC) John Dope has posted at
    least 1550 articles to USENET. Of which 165 have been pure insults and
    749 have been John Dope "troll format" postings.

    The Troll Doe stated the following in message-id
    <sdhn7c$pkp$4@dont-email.me>:

    The troll doesn't even know how to format a USENET post...

    And the Troll Doe stated the following in message-id <sg3kr7$qt5$1@dont-email.me>:

    The reason Bozo cannot figure out how to get Google to keep from
    breaking its lines in inappropriate places is because Bozo is
    CLUELESS...

    And yet, the clueless Troll Doe has itself posted yet another
    incorrectly formatted USENET posting on Sat, 4 Jun 2022 17:10:52 -0000
    (UTC) in message-id <t7g3mr$m3d$3@dont-email.me>.

    WFipOboodwR7

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  • From John Doe@21:1/5 to Edward Hernandez on Sat Jun 4 19:56:27 2022
    XPost: free.spam

    This porn-sucking retard is a nym-shifting stalker troll now.

    Eddie has never posted anything NORMAL except when it got a spanking...

    https://groups.google.com/g/sci.electronics.repair/c/MesPLcGU4BE

    See also...
    John Doe <always.look_message.header> (Astraweb, Aioe.org)
    Peter Weiner <dtgamer99_gmail.com>
    Edward H. <dtgamer99_gmail.com>
    Edward Hernandez <dtgamer99_gmail.com>

    Eddie is an example for all newbies. Don't get spanked!

    Spanked Eddie...

    --
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    In message-id <t6nt3e$7bp$3@dont-email.me> (http://al.howardknight.net/?ID=165357273000) posted Thu, 26 May 2022 12:50:54 -0000 (UTC) John Dope stated:

    Always Wrong, the utterly foulmouthed group idiot, adding absolutely
    NOTHING but insults to this thread, as usual...

    Yet, since Wed, 5 Jan 2022 04:10:38 -0000 (UTC) John Dope's post ratio
    to USENET (**) has been 59.0% of its posts contributing "nothing except insults" to USENET.

    ** Since Wed, 5 Jan 2022 04:10:38 -0000 (UTC) John Dope has posted at
    least 1550 articles to USENET. Of which 165 have been pure insults and
    749 have been John Dope "troll format" postings.

    The Troll Doe stated the following in message-id <sdhn7c$pkp$4@dont-email.me>:

    The troll doesn't even know how to format a USENET post...

    And the Troll Doe stated the following in message-id <sg3kr7$qt5$1@dont-email.me>:

    The reason Bozo cannot figure out how to get Google to keep from
    breaking its lines in inappropriate places is because Bozo is
    CLUELESS...

    And yet, the clueless Troll Doe has itself posted yet another
    incorrectly formatted USENET posting on Sat, 4 Jun 2022 17:10:52 -0000
    (UTC) in message-id <t7g3mr$m3d$3@dont-email.me>.

    WFipOboodwR7




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  • From Edward Hernandez@21:1/5 to All on Sat Jun 4 20:06:41 2022
    XPost: free.spam

    In message-id <t6nt3e$7bp$3@dont-email.me> (http://al.howardknight.net/?ID=165357273000) posted Thu, 26 May 2022
    12:50:54 -0000 (UTC) John Dope stated:

    Always Wrong, the utterly foulmouthed group idiot, adding absolutely
    NOTHING but insults to this thread, as usual...

    Yet, since Wed, 5 Jan 2022 04:10:38 -0000 (UTC) John Dope's post ratio
    to USENET (**) has been 59.0% of its posts contributing "nothing except insults" to USENET.

    ** Since Wed, 5 Jan 2022 04:10:38 -0000 (UTC) John Dope has posted at
    least 1553 articles to USENET. Of which 165 have been pure insults and
    752 have been John Dope "troll format" postings.

    The John Doe troll stated the following in message-id <sdhn7c$pkp$4@dont-email.me>:

    The troll doesn't even know how to format a USENET post...

    And the John Doe troll stated the following in message-id <sg3kr7$qt5$1@dont-email.me>:

    The reason Bozo cannot figure out how to get Google to keep from
    breaking its lines in inappropriate places is because Bozo is
    CLUELESS...

    And yet, the clueless John Doe troll has continued to post incorrectly formatted USENET articles that are devoid of content (latest example on
    Sat, 4 Jun 2022 19:56:27 -0000 (UTC) in message-id <t7gddb$qs2$1@dont-email.me>).

    NOBODY likes the John Doe troll's contentless spam.

    This posting is a public service announcement for any google groups
    readers who happen by to point out that John Doe does not even follow
    the rules it uses to troll other posters.

    CnvDlmpW0M5X

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  • From Anthony William Sloman@21:1/5 to John Doe on Sat Jun 4 13:40:05 2022
    On Sunday, June 5, 2022 at 3:10:59 AM UTC+10, John Doe wrote:
    Anthony William Sloman <bill....@ieee.org> wrote:
    On Thursday, May 26, 2022 at 8:37:38 AM UTC+10, Cursitor Doom wrote:
    On Thu, 19 May 2022 22:04:24 +0100, Martin Brown <'''newspam'''@nonad.co.uk> wrote:
    On 19/05/2022 18:59, Jeroen Belleman wrote:

    <snip>

    I had a V70 Volvo that kept locking me out of it for no apparent reason.

    That would have been the anti-social twit detector.

    Computer scan by the main dealer showed no fault present or logged.

    No point in telling a customer that he isn't the kind of driver they want in control of their cars.

    I could see it would one day let me down late at night in a thunderstorm so got rid of it.

    More likely drive you off a high cliff at speed. You managed to get rid of it before it succeeded in getting rid of you. Pity.

    Best decision I ever made was to never have another modern car ever again. I only drive vintage stuff now.

    No anti-lock braking system? There's hope for us yet.

    Bill being a dick, as always...

    Dick's like John Doe and Cursitor Doom do try to present a united front - rather like right and left buttocks, though far right and lunatic right bums might be closer to the mark. Flyguy would sit between them.

    --
    Bill Sloman, Sydney

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