• WTF is Russia Thinking?

    From Ricky@21:1/5 to All on Tue May 17 21:39:24 2022
    I suppose I should ask what is Putin thinking, really. I read Russia has moved missiles close to Finland's border... nuclear capable missiles! Is that supposed to make Finland more comfortable about not joining NATO?

    Finland may not have a choice. Turkey is making noises about vetoing their application. But that may just be posturing to gain some concessions. Working the system...

    I'm not going to pretend I understand all the issues at play, but I'm not seeing this going well for Russia. I'm wondering what the hell is going to happen.

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    Rick C.

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  • From Ed Lee@21:1/5 to Ricky on Wed May 18 06:29:43 2022
    On Tuesday, May 17, 2022 at 9:39:29 PM UTC-7, Ricky wrote:
    I suppose I should ask what is Putin thinking, really. I read Russia has moved missiles close to Finland's border... nuclear capable missiles! Is that supposed to make Finland more comfortable about not joining NATO?

    Finland may not have a choice. Turkey is making noises about vetoing their application. But that may just be posturing to gain some concessions. Working the system...

    Perhaps NATO should drop Turkey and add Finland. Turkey is dictatorship, Finland is democracy.

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  • From Robert Roland@21:1/5 to gnuarm.deletethisbit@gmail.com on Wed May 18 16:51:04 2022
    On Tue, 17 May 2022 21:39:24 -0700 (PDT), Ricky <gnuarm.deletethisbit@gmail.com> wrote:

    I'm wondering what the hell is going to happen.

    In the Russian culture, strength is very important. Showing strength
    and being strong. Excuses are simply signs of weakness, regardless of
    how valid they might be.

    Some say Putin could save face by blaming the west for supplying
    Ukraine with all the weapons. But, in the Russian culture, it would
    just be a sign of weakness.

    He will try anything and everything as his disposal to win the war.
    This includes nuclear weapons.

    It is not a question of "if", but of "when" the first nuke will pop.

    Yes, I honestly believe there is a nuclear war in the not too distant
    future.

    After that, I don't know what will happen.
    --
    RoRo

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  • From David Eather@21:1/5 to Ed Lee on Thu May 19 07:17:10 2022
    On 18/05/2022 11:29 pm, Ed Lee wrote:
    On Tuesday, May 17, 2022 at 9:39:29 PM UTC-7, Ricky wrote:
    I suppose I should ask what is Putin thinking, really. I read Russia has moved missiles close to Finland's border... nuclear capable missiles! Is that supposed to make Finland more comfortable about not joining NATO?

    Finland may not have a choice. Turkey is making noises about vetoing their application. But that may just be posturing to gain some concessions. Working the system...

    Perhaps NATO should drop Turkey and add Finland. Turkey is dictatorship, Finland is democracy.

    got to agree with that

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  • From Clifford Heath@21:1/5 to David Eather on Thu May 19 11:04:09 2022
    On 19/5/22 7:17 am, David Eather wrote:
    On 18/05/2022 11:29 pm, Ed Lee wrote:
    On Tuesday, May 17, 2022 at 9:39:29 PM UTC-7, Ricky wrote:
    I suppose I should ask what is Putin thinking, really. I read Russia
    has moved missiles close to Finland's border... nuclear capable
    missiles! Is that supposed to make Finland more comfortable about not
    joining NATO?

    Finland may not have a choice. Turkey is making noises about vetoing
    their application. But that may just be posturing to gain some
    concessions. Working the system...

    Perhaps NATO should drop Turkey and add Finland.  Turkey is
    dictatorship,  Finland is democracy.

    got to agree with that

    The only things in favour of Turkey being in NATO is the Bosphorus and
    the Dardanelles. But that's a lot.

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  • From rbowman@21:1/5 to Ed Lee on Wed May 18 20:51:19 2022
    On 05/18/2022 07:29 AM, Ed Lee wrote:
    On Tuesday, May 17, 2022 at 9:39:29 PM UTC-7, Ricky wrote:
    I suppose I should ask what is Putin thinking, really. I read Russia has moved missiles close to Finland's border... nuclear capable missiles! Is that supposed to make Finland more comfortable about not joining NATO?

    Finland may not have a choice. Turkey is making noises about vetoing their application. But that may just be posturing to gain some concessions. Working the system...

    Perhaps NATO should drop Turkey and add Finland. Turkey is dictatorship, Finland is democracy.

    https://www.operationmilitarykids.org/us-military-bases-in-turkey/

    Good luck. If Finland joins NATO Russia might give them Karelia back in revenge.

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  • From David Eather@21:1/5 to rbowman on Thu May 19 13:16:44 2022
    On 19/05/2022 12:51 pm, rbowman wrote:
    On 05/18/2022 07:29 AM, Ed Lee wrote:
    On Tuesday, May 17, 2022 at 9:39:29 PM UTC-7, Ricky wrote:
    I suppose I should ask what is Putin thinking, really. I read Russia
    has moved missiles close to Finland's border... nuclear capable
    missiles! Is that supposed to make Finland more comfortable about not
    joining NATO?

    Finland may not have a choice. Turkey is making noises about vetoing
    their application. But that may just be posturing to gain some
    concessions. Working the system...

    Perhaps NATO should drop Turkey and add Finland.  Turkey is
    dictatorship,  Finland is democracy.

    https://www.operationmilitarykids.org/us-military-bases-in-turkey/

    Good luck. If Finland joins NATO Russia might give them Karelia back in revenge.

    putin give something up? not in his makeup.

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  • From rbowman@21:1/5 to David Eather on Wed May 18 22:53:28 2022
    On 05/18/2022 09:16 PM, David Eather wrote:
    On 19/05/2022 12:51 pm, rbowman wrote:
    On 05/18/2022 07:29 AM, Ed Lee wrote:
    On Tuesday, May 17, 2022 at 9:39:29 PM UTC-7, Ricky wrote:
    I suppose I should ask what is Putin thinking, really. I read Russia
    has moved missiles close to Finland's border... nuclear capable
    missiles! Is that supposed to make Finland more comfortable about
    not joining NATO?

    Finland may not have a choice. Turkey is making noises about vetoing
    their application. But that may just be posturing to gain some
    concessions. Working the system...

    Perhaps NATO should drop Turkey and add Finland. Turkey is
    dictatorship, Finland is democracy.

    https://www.operationmilitarykids.org/us-military-bases-in-turkey/

    Good luck. If Finland joins NATO Russia might give them Karelia back
    in revenge.

    putin give something up? not in his makeup.

    You have to play the long game. Karelia is as prosperous and productive
    as East Germany was when it was handed back to West Germany. The area
    has potential but it would take billions Finland doesn't have to drag it
    into the 21st century.

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