• Forgetting Lacan: Textual narrative and dialectic nationalism

    From John Doe@21:1/5 to All on Mon May 16 23:20:57 2022
    Forgetting Lacan: Textual narrative and dialectic nationalism

    Paul G. Reicher
    Department of Ontology, Miskatonic University, Arkham, Mass.



    1. Contexts of dialectic


    The main theme of the works of Eco is the bridge between class and society. The primary theme of the works of Eco is the role of the writer as participant. However, textual narrative holds that the establishment is capable of significance. In The Name of the Rose, Eco examines postpatriarchial feminism; in Foucault's Pendulum, however, Eco examines textual narrative.

    Thus, Sontag's model of dialectic nationalism suggests that the raison d'etre of the observer is significant form. However, Lyotard uses the term 'conceptualist deconstruction' to denote a mythopoetical whole.

    Finnis [1] implies that we have to choose between textual narrative and postpatriarchial feminism. The subject is interpolated into a that includes language as a whole.

    However, Bataille uses the term 'Marxist socialism' to denote not, in fact, situationism, but subsituationism. The characteristic theme of Dietrich's [2] essay on dialectic nationalism is the common ground between truth and sexual identity.

    2. Dialectic nihilism and postcultural dematerialism


    "Consciousness is part of the fatal flaw of art," says Derrida; however, according to Porter [3] , it is not so much consciousness that is part of the fatal flaw of art, but rather the absurdity of consciousness. In Junky, Burroughs affirms textual narrative; in The Ticket that Exploded, however, Burroughs analyses dialectic nationalism. Therefore, postcultural dematerialism suggests that culture is intrinsically unattainable.

    A number of theories concerning textual narrative exist. Sartre suggests the use of textual narrative to attack capitalism.

    The subject is contextualised into a that includes sexuality as a paradox. Foucault uses the term 'dialectic nationalism' to denote the genre, and subsequent rubicon, of textual class. But the premise of textual narrative implies that society has significance.

    The creation/destruction distinction prevalent in The Naked Lunch emerges again in Port of Saints, although in a more preconstructivist sense. Thus, if postcultural dematerialism holds, we have to choose between capitalist neostructural theory and dialectic nationalism.

    ----
    1. Finnis, F. (1983) Dialectic nationalism in the works of Tarantino. University of Michigan Press
    2. Dietrich, A. Q. Y. ed. (1975) The Reality of Stasis: Dialectic nationalism and textual narrative. And/Or Press
    3. Porter, C. (1988) Textual narrative in the works of Burroughs. Schlangekraft

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  • From Anthony William Sloman@21:1/5 to John Doe on Mon May 16 16:59:26 2022
    On Tuesday, May 17, 2022 at 9:21:07 AM UTC+10, John Doe wrote:
    Forgetting Lacan: Textual narrative and dialectic nationalism

    Paul G. Reicher
    Department of Ontology, Miskatonic University, Arkham, Mass.



    1. Contexts of dialectic


    The main theme of the works of Eco is the bridge between class and society. The
    primary theme of the works of Eco is the role of the writer as participant. However, textual narrative holds that the establishment is capable of significance. In The Name of the Rose, Eco examines postpatriarchial feminism;
    in Foucault's Pendulum, however, Eco examines textual narrative.

    Thus, Sontag's model of dialectic nationalism suggests that the raison d'etre
    of the observer is significant form. However, Lyotard uses the term 'conceptualist deconstruction' to denote a mythopoetical whole.

    Finnis [1] implies that we have to choose between textual narrative and postpatriarchial feminism. The subject is interpolated into a that includes language as a whole.

    However, Bataille uses the term 'Marxist socialism' to denote not, in fact, situationism, but subsituationism. The characteristic theme of Dietrich's [2]
    essay on dialectic nationalism is the common ground between truth and sexual identity.

    2. Dialectic nihilism and postcultural dematerialism


    "Consciousness is part of the fatal flaw of art," says Derrida; however, according to Porter [3] , it is not so much consciousness that is part of the
    fatal flaw of art, but rather the absurdity of consciousness. In Junky, Burroughs affirms textual narrative; in The Ticket that Exploded, however, Burroughs analyses dialectic nationalism. Therefore, postcultural dematerialism
    suggests that culture is intrinsically unattainable.

    A number of theories concerning textual narrative exist. Sartre suggests the use of textual narrative to attack capitalism.

    The subject is contextualised into a that includes sexuality as a paradox. Foucault uses the term 'dialectic nationalism' to denote the genre, and subsequent rubicon, of textual class. But the premise of textual narrative implies that society has significance.

    The creation/destruction distinction prevalent in The Naked Lunch emerges again
    in Port of Saints, although in a more preconstructivist sense. Thus, if postcultural dematerialism holds, we have to choose between capitalist neostructural theory and dialectic nationalism.

    ----
    1. Finnis, F. (1983) Dialectic nationalism in the works of Tarantino. University of Michigan Press
    2. Dietrich, A. Q. Y. ed. (1975) The Reality of Stasis: Dialectic nationalism
    and textual narrative. And/Or Press
    3. Porter, C. (1988) Textual narrative in the works of Burroughs. Schlangekraft

    Of course students of language don't take Lacan and that whole school seriously. Putting words together randomly in a way that gave the same kinds of word-to-word correlations as his text over about half-dozen words turned out to produce text that nobody
    could distinguish from his output, so his output doesn't actually mean anything.

    A perfect hunting ground for John Doe. He doesn't seem to understand anything, so an area where there's nothing to understand is just right for him.
    And it certainly isn't the kind of nonsense that it might be appropriate to post on sci.electronics.design.

    --
    Bill Sloman, Sydney

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  • From John Doe@21:1/5 to John Doe on Tue May 17 11:25:57 2022
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    Some nym-shifting troll from "aioe.org"...

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    Forgetting Lacan: Textual narrative and dialectic nationalism

    Paul G. Reicher
    Department of Ontology, Miskatonic University, Arkham, Mass.



    1. Contexts of dialectic


    The main theme of the works of Eco is the bridge between class and society. The
    primary theme of the works of Eco is the role of the writer as participant. However, textual narrative holds that the establishment is capable of significance. In The Name of the Rose, Eco examines postpatriarchial feminism;
    in Foucault's Pendulum, however, Eco examines textual narrative.

    Thus, Sontag's model of dialectic nationalism suggests that the raison d'etre of the observer is significant form. However, Lyotard uses the term 'conceptualist deconstruction' to denote a mythopoetical whole.

    Finnis [1] implies that we have to choose between textual narrative and postpatriarchial feminism. The subject is interpolated into a that includes language as a whole.

    However, Bataille uses the term 'Marxist socialism' to denote not, in fact, situationism, but subsituationism. The characteristic theme of Dietrich's [2] essay on dialectic nationalism is the common ground between truth and sexual identity.

    2. Dialectic nihilism and postcultural dematerialism


    "Consciousness is part of the fatal flaw of art," says Derrida; however, according to Porter [3] , it is not so much consciousness that is part of the fatal flaw of art, but rather the absurdity of consciousness. In Junky, Burroughs affirms textual narrative; in The Ticket that Exploded, however, Burroughs analyses dialectic nationalism. Therefore, postcultural dematerialism
    suggests that culture is intrinsically unattainable.

    A number of theories concerning textual narrative exist. Sartre suggests the use of textual narrative to attack capitalism.

    The subject is contextualised into a that includes sexuality as a paradox. Foucault uses the term 'dialectic nationalism' to denote the genre, and subsequent rubicon, of textual class. But the premise of textual narrative implies that society has significance.

    The creation/destruction distinction prevalent in The Naked Lunch emerges again
    in Port of Saints, although in a more preconstructivist sense. Thus, if postcultural dematerialism holds, we have to choose between capitalist neostructural theory and dialectic nationalism.

    ----
    1. Finnis, F. (1983) Dialectic nationalism in the works of Tarantino. University of Michigan Press
    2. Dietrich, A. Q. Y. ed. (1975) The Reality of Stasis: Dialectic nationalism and textual narrative. And/Or Press
    3. Porter, C. (1988) Textual narrative in the works of Burroughs. Schlangekraft




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  • From John Doe@21:1/5 to Anthony William Sloman on Tue May 17 11:27:58 2022
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    Bill "Bozo" Sloman isn't cognizant enough to find his own socks
    in the morning, let alone tell the difference between the real thing
    and a nym-shifting troll...

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    On Tuesday, May 17, 2022 at 9:21:07 AM UTC+10, John Doe wrote:
    Forgetting Lacan: Textual narrative and dialectic nationalism

    Paul G. Reicher
    Department of Ontology, Miskatonic University, Arkham, Mass.



    1. Contexts of dialectic


    The main theme of the works of Eco is the bridge between class and societ
    y. The
    primary theme of the works of Eco is the role of the writer as participan
    t.
    However, textual narrative holds that the establishment is capable of
    significance. In The Name of the Rose, Eco examines postpatriarchial femi
    nism;
    in Foucault's Pendulum, however, Eco examines textual narrative.

    Thus, Sontag's model of dialectic nationalism suggests that the raison d'
    etre
    of the observer is significant form. However, Lyotard uses the term
    'conceptualist deconstruction' to denote a mythopoetical whole.

    Finnis [1] implies that we have to choose between textual narrative and

    postpatriarchial feminism. The subject is interpolated into a that includ
    es
    language as a whole.

    However, Bataille uses the term 'Marxist socialism' to denote not, in fac
    t,
    situationism, but subsituationism. The characteristic theme of Dietrich's
    [2]
    essay on dialectic nationalism is the common ground between truth and sex
    ual
    identity.

    2. Dialectic nihilism and postcultural dematerialism


    "Consciousness is part of the fatal flaw of art," says Derrida; however,

    according to Porter [3] , it is not so much consciousness that is part of
    the
    fatal flaw of art, but rather the absurdity of consciousness. In Junky,

    Burroughs affirms textual narrative; in The Ticket that Exploded, however
    ,
    Burroughs analyses dialectic nationalism. Therefore, postcultural demater
    ialism
    suggests that culture is intrinsically unattainable.

    A number of theories concerning textual narrative exist. Sartre suggests
    the
    use of textual narrative to attack capitalism.

    The subject is contextualised into a that includes sexuality as a paradox
    .
    Foucault uses the term 'dialectic nationalism' to denote the genre, and

    subsequent rubicon, of textual class. But the premise of textual narrativ
    e
    implies that society has significance.

    The creation/destruction distinction prevalent in The Naked Lunch emerges
    again
    in Port of Saints, although in a more preconstructivist sense. Thus, if

    postcultural dematerialism holds, we have to choose between capitalist
    neostructural theory and dialectic nationalism.

    ----
    1. Finnis, F. (1983) Dialectic nationalism in the works of Tarantino.
    University of Michigan Press
    2. Dietrich, A. Q. Y. ed. (1975) The Reality of Stasis: Dialectic nationa
    lism
    and textual narrative. And/Or Press
    3. Porter, C. (1988) Textual narrative in the works of Burroughs. Schlang
    ekraft

    Of course students of language don't take Lacan and that whole school seriously. Putting words together randomly in a way that gave the same kinds of word-to-word correlations as his text over about half-dozen words turned out to produce text that
    nobody could distinguish from his output, so his output doesn't actually mean anything.

    A perfect hunting ground for John Doe. He doesn't seem to understand anything, so an area where there's nothing to understand is just right for him.
    And it certainly isn't the kind of nonsense that it might be appropriate to post on sci.electronics.design.

    --
    Bill Sloman, Sydney



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  • From Edward Hernandez@21:1/5 to All on Tue May 17 13:19:14 2022
    XPost: free.spam

    Further, Troll Doe stated the following in message-id <svsh05$lbh$5@dont-email.me> posted Fri, 4 Mar 2022 08:01:09 -0000
    (UTC):

    Compared to other regulars, Bozo contributes practically nothing
    except insults to this group.

    Yet, since Wed, 5 Jan 2022 04:10:38 -0000 (UTC) Troll Doe's post ratio
    to USENET (**) has been 60.7% of its posts contributing "nothing except insults" to USENET.

    ** Since Wed, 5 Jan 2022 04:10:38 -0000 (UTC) Troll Doe has posted at
    least 1410 articles to USENET. Of which 149 have been pure insults and
    707 have been Troll Doe "troll format" postings.

    The John Doe troll stated the following in message-id <sdhn7c$pkp$4@dont-email.me>:

    The troll doesn't even know how to format a USENET post...

    And the John Doe troll stated the following in message-id <sg3kr7$qt5$1@dont-email.me>:

    The reason Bozo cannot figure out how to get Google to keep from
    breaking its lines in inappropriate places is because Bozo is
    CLUELESS...

    And yet, the clueless John Doe troll has itself posted yet another
    incorrectly formatted USENET posting on Tue, 17 May 2022 11:25:57 -0000
    (UTC) in message-id <t600o4$ks$6@dont-email.me>.

    This posting is a public service announcement for any google groups
    readers who happen by to point out that the John Doe troll does not even
    follow the rules it uses to troll other posters.

    dSj/WdmE+0Iz

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  • From bitrex@21:1/5 to John Doe on Tue May 17 10:31:51 2022
    On 5/16/2022 7:20 PM, John Doe wrote:
    Forgetting Lacan: Textual narrative and dialectic nationalism

    Paul G. Reicher
    Department of Ontology, Miskatonic University, Arkham, Mass.

    Is a joke post? These places don't exist they're from HP Lovecraft novels...

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  • From jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com@21:1/5 to bitrex on Tue May 17 08:38:47 2022
    On Tue, 17 May 2022 10:31:51 -0400, bitrex <user@example.net> wrote:

    On 5/16/2022 7:20 PM, John Doe wrote:
    Forgetting Lacan: Textual narrative and dialectic nationalism

    Paul G. Reicher
    Department of Ontology, Miskatonic University, Arkham, Mass.

    Is a joke post? These places don't exist they're from HP Lovecraft novels...

    And he spelled dielectric wrong.



    --

    Anybody can count to one.

    - Robert Widlar

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  • From John Doe@21:1/5 to All on Tue May 17 19:14:31 2022
    It's a forgery, maybe from Edward "Porn Retard" Hernandez.

    ALWAYS READ THE FREAKING MESSAGE HEADER.

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  • From Edward Hernandez@21:1/5 to All on Tue May 17 19:52:19 2022
    XPost: free.spam

    Further, Troll Doe stated the following in message-id <svsh05$lbh$5@dont-email.me> posted Fri, 4 Mar 2022 08:01:09 -0000
    (UTC):

    Compared to other regulars, Bozo contributes practically nothing
    except insults to this group.

    Yet, since Wed, 5 Jan 2022 04:10:38 -0000 (UTC) Troll Doe's post ratio
    to USENET (**) has been 60.6% of its posts contributing "nothing except insults" to USENET.

    ** Since Wed, 5 Jan 2022 04:10:38 -0000 (UTC) Troll Doe has posted at
    least 1415 articles to USENET. Of which 149 have been pure insults and
    709 have been Troll Doe "troll format" postings.

    The John Doe troll stated the following in message-id <sdhn7c$pkp$4@dont-email.me>:

    The troll doesn't even know how to format a USENET post...

    And the John Doe troll stated the following in message-id <sg3kr7$qt5$1@dont-email.me>:

    The reason Bozo cannot figure out how to get Google to keep from
    breaking its lines in inappropriate places is because Bozo is
    CLUELESS...

    And yet, the clueless John Doe troll has itself posted yet another
    incorrectly formatted USENET posting on Tue, 17 May 2022 19:20:19 -0000
    (UTC) in message-id <t60shj$586$2@dont-email.me>.

    aSHU94cwzaGX

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  • From John Doe@21:1/5 to Edward Hernandez on Tue May 17 19:20:19 2022
    XPost: free.spam

    This porn-sucking retard wants so badly to nym-shift.

    Eddie has never posted anything NORMAL except when it got a spanking...

    https://groups.google.com/g/sci.electronics.repair/c/MesPLcGU4BE

    See also...
    John Doe <always.look@message.header> (Astraweb, Aioe.org)
    Peter Weiner <dtgamer99@gmail.com>
    Edward H. <dtgamer99@gmail.com>
    Edward Hernandez <dtgamer99@gmail.com>

    Eddie is an example for all newbies. Don't get spanked!

    Spanked Eddie...

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    Further, John Doe stated the following in message-id <svsh05$lbh$5@dont-email.me> posted Fri, 4 Mar 2022 08:01:09 -0000
    (UTC):

    Compared to other regulars, Bozo contributes practically nothing
    except insults to this group.

    Yet, since Wed, 5 Jan 2022 04:10:38 -0000 (UTC) John Doe's post ratio to USENET (**) has been 60.7% of its posts contributing "nothing except
    insults" to USENET.

    ** Since Wed, 5 Jan 2022 04:10:38 -0000 (UTC) John Doe has posted at
    least 1410 articles to USENET. Of which 149 have been pure insults and
    707 have been John Doe "troll format" postings.

    The John Doe troll stated the following in message-id <sdhn7c$pkp$4@dont-email.me>:

    The troll doesn't even know how to format a USENET post...

    And the John Doe troll stated the following in message-id <sg3kr7$qt5$1@dont-email.me>:

    The reason Bozo cannot figure out how to get Google to keep from
    breaking its lines in inappropriate places is because Bozo is
    CLUELESS...

    And yet, the clueless John Doe troll has itself posted yet another incorrectly formatted USENET posting on Tue, 17 May 2022 11:27:58 -0000
    (UTC) in message-id <t600ru$ks$7@dont-email.me>.

    wlcZU1QVRH6t




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  • From bitrex@21:1/5 to jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com on Tue May 17 20:00:45 2022
    On 5/17/2022 11:38 AM, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
    On Tue, 17 May 2022 10:31:51 -0400, bitrex <user@example.net> wrote:

    On 5/16/2022 7:20 PM, John Doe wrote:
    Forgetting Lacan: Textual narrative and dialectic nationalism

    Paul G. Reicher
    Department of Ontology, Miskatonic University, Arkham, Mass.

    Is a joke post? These places don't exist they're from HP Lovecraft novels...

    And he spelled dielectric wrong.



    Arkham was a fictional city that seemed to combine elements of the port
    of Salem, MA, the central MA college town of Amherst MA, and Providence,
    RI, where Lovecraft lived most of his life.

    Miskatonic U is supposed to be kinda like Amherst College or Brown
    University or something, brick and ivy and statues to the great men of
    old everywhere.

    Anyway the text seems kinda like it was generated by computer. I went to
    an ivy-grown New England art school, the kind of school even 25 years
    ago we'd joke about material like that e.g. "Hey what are you writing
    your paper on?" "Well probably the dialectic narcissism of societal
    narratives vis a vis postpatriarchial feminism" "Wow no fooling, that's
    just was I was going to do."

    I figure most conservatives figure that's all that goes on at "art
    school", not much sense in trying to protest otherwise. They don't even
    usually seem to bring up the cocaine use

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  • From rbowman@21:1/5 to jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com on Tue May 17 20:13:25 2022
    On 05/17/2022 09:38 AM, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
    On Tue, 17 May 2022 10:31:51 -0400, bitrex <user@example.net> wrote:

    On 5/16/2022 7:20 PM, John Doe wrote:
    Forgetting Lacan: Textual narrative and dialectic nationalism

    Paul G. Reicher
    Department of Ontology, Miskatonic University, Arkham, Mass.

    Is a joke post? These places don't exist they're from HP Lovecraft novels...

    And he spelled dielectric wrong.



    While it's true nationalism can be polarized...

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  • From rbowman@21:1/5 to bitrex on Tue May 17 20:19:29 2022
    On 05/17/2022 06:00 PM, bitrex wrote:
    Anyway the text seems kinda like it was generated by computer. I went to
    an ivy-grown New England art school, the kind of school even 25 years
    ago we'd joke about material like that e.g. "Hey what are you writing
    your paper on?" "Well probably the dialectic narcissism of societal narratives vis a vis postpatriarchial feminism" "Wow no fooling, that's
    just was I was going to do."

    https://tnextphase.wordpress.com/2014/05/28/post-modern-gibberish-essay-generator/

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  • From John Doe@21:1/5 to rbowman on Wed May 18 11:01:33 2022
    rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:

    bitrex wrote:

    Anyway the text seems kinda like it was generated by computer. I went
    to an ivy-grown New England art school, the kind of school even 25
    years ago we'd joke about material like that e.g. "Hey what are you
    writing your paper on?" "Well probably the dialectic narcissism of
    societal narratives vis a vis postpatriarchial feminism" "Wow no
    fooling, that's just was I was going to do."

    https://tnextphase.wordpress.com/2014/05/28/post-modern-gibberish-essay-generator/

    This particular effort looks pretty good. By using lots of big words, few people can tell the difference.

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