• OT: Old news: Bill and Melinda Gates divorced

    From John Doe@21:1/5 to All on Sun May 8 06:17:56 2022
    I just heard about that.

    A few months ago, I read how Bill started their relationship... He met
    Melinda in the parking lot and grabbed her by the pussy. He asked about scheduling a date with her. She retorted "That's not spontaneous enough".
    So, dropping to his knees, he started begging her to go out that very
    evening. (a dramatization)

    A very old Bill Gates quote about marriage...

    "I want to marry a woman who's smart enough to know she won't get any of
    my money." (or similar)

    That was then. Considering his capitulation in the startup of their relationship, I wonder if he had the balls to use a prenuptial agreement.
    One can only speculate about the outcome, since (apparently) the divorce
    court stuff (settlement) is hidden. Probably doesn't care, since he
    promotes the estate tax and he is still a billionaire.

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  • From Anthony William Sloman@21:1/5 to John Doe on Sun May 8 01:56:50 2022
    On Sunday, May 8, 2022 at 4:18:03 PM UTC+10, John Doe wrote:
    I just heard about that.

    <snip>

    And what on earth would lead John Doe to imagine that he should post his thoughts on the subject here?
    Even if he had anything worthwhile to say on the subject, why would he want to say it here?

    --
    Bill Sloman, Sydney

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  • From John S@21:1/5 to Anthony William Sloman on Sun May 8 05:10:24 2022
    On 5/8/2022 3:56 AM, Anthony William Sloman wrote:
    On Sunday, May 8, 2022 at 4:18:03 PM UTC+10, John Doe wrote:
    I just heard about that.

    <snip>

    And what on earth would lead John Doe to imagine that he should post his thoughts on the subject here?
    Even if he had anything worthwhile to say on the subject, why would he want to say it here?


    He's suffering from terminal loneliness?

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  • From Anthony William Sloman@21:1/5 to John S on Sun May 8 06:55:09 2022
    On Sunday, May 8, 2022 at 8:10:32 PM UTC+10, John S wrote:
    On 5/8/2022 3:56 AM, Anthony William Sloman wrote:
    On Sunday, May 8, 2022 at 4:18:03 PM UTC+10, John Doe wrote:
    I just heard about that.

    <snip>

    And what on earth would lead John Doe to imagine that he should post his thoughts on the subject here?
    Even if he had anything worthwhile to say on the subject, why would he want to say it here?

    He's suffering from terminal loneliness?

    Nowhere near terminal enough.

    --
    Bill Sloman, Sydney

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  • From John Doe@21:1/5 to John S on Mon May 9 08:14:20 2022
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    Don't like it, ignore it. It's that simple.

    I have been a hard-core personal computing enthusiast ever since Windows
    3.1. I know Microsoft's Windows inside and out.

    Closely followed the pre-2000 big Microsoft antitrust trial.

    As anybody old enough and has anything to do with PCs knows, Bill Gates
    was a huge contributor/factor.

    Generally speaking... Being divorced by Melinda is (likely) the last
    chapter in Bill Gates' life.

    --
    John S <Sophi.2@invalid.org> wrote:

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    On 5/8/2022 3:56 AM, Anthony William Sloman wrote:
    On Sunday, May 8, 2022 at 4:18:03 PM UTC+10, John Doe wrote:
    I just heard about that.

    <snip>

    And what on earth would lead John Doe to imagine that he should post his thoughts on the subject here?
    Even if he had anything worthwhile to say on the subject, why would he want to say it here?


    He's suffering from terminal loneliness?



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  • From John Doe@21:1/5 to Anthony William Sloman on Mon May 9 08:17:44 2022
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    Bill Gates was a relatively HUGE software engineer. Such a major
    development in his personal life is news to any high tech oriented person.

    This chronic-lying cannibal leftist Australian troll is the most
    persistent troll in this group...

    --
    Anthony William Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> wrote:

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    Subject: Re: OT: Old news: Bill and Melinda Gates divorced
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    On Sunday, May 8, 2022 at 4:18:03 PM UTC+10, John Doe wrote:
    I just heard about that.

    <snip>

    And what on earth would lead John Doe to imagine that he should post his thoughts on the subject here?
    Even if he had anything worthwhile to say on the subject, why would he want to say it here?

    --
    Bill Sloman, Sydney



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  • From Edward Hernandez@21:1/5 to All on Mon May 9 08:18:47 2022
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    The John Doe troll stated the following in message-id <sdhn7c$pkp$4@dont-email.me>:

    The troll doesn't even know how to format a USENET post...

    And the John Doe troll stated the following in message-id <sg3kr7$qt5$1@dont-email.me>:

    The reason Bozo cannot figure out how to get Google to keep from
    breaking its lines in inappropriate places is because Bozo is
    CLUELESS...

    And yet, the clueless John Doe troll has itself posted yet another
    incorrectly formatted USENET posting on Mon, 9 May 2022 08:17:44 -0000
    (UTC) in message-id <t5ain8$81f$2@dont-email.me>.

    Further, Troll Doe stated the following in message-id <svsh05$lbh$5@dont-email.me> posted Fri, 4 Mar 2022 08:01:09 -0000
    (UTC):

    Compared to other regulars, Bozo contributes practically nothing
    except insults to this group.

    Yet, since Wed, 5 Jan 2022 04:10:38 -0000 (UTC) Troll Doe's post ratio
    to USENET (**) has been 61.1% of its posts contributing "nothing except insults" to USENET.

    ** Since Wed, 5 Jan 2022 04:10:38 -0000 (UTC) Troll Doe has posted at
    least 1350 articles to USENET. Of which 144 have been pure insults and
    681 have been Troll Doe "troll format" postings.

    This posting is a public service announcement for any google groups
    readers who happen by to point out that the John Doe troll does not even
    follow the rules it uses to troll other posters.

    VLr3idQpjFtO

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  • From John Doe@21:1/5 to Edward Hernandez on Mon May 9 08:55:32 2022
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    Eddie wants so badly to nym-shift. That's a no-no here, Eddie!

    Eddie has never posted anything NORMAL except when it got a spanking...

    https://groups.google.com/g/sci.electronics.repair/c/MesPLcGU4BE

    See also...
    John Doe <always.look@message.header> (astraweb)
    Peter Weiner <dtgamer99@gmail.com>
    Edward H. <dtgamer99@gmail.com>
    Edward Hernandez <dtgamer99@gmail.com>

    Eddie is an example for all newbies. Don't get spanked!

    Spanked Eddie...

    --
    Edward Hernandez <dtgamer99@gmail.com> wrote:

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    The John Doe troll stated the following in message-id <sdhn7c$pkp$4@dont-email.me>:

    The troll doesn't even know how to format a USENET post...

    And the John Doe troll stated the following in message-id <sg3kr7$qt5$1@dont-email.me>:

    The reason Bozo cannot figure out how to get Google to keep from
    breaking its lines in inappropriate places is because Bozo is
    CLUELESS...

    And yet, the clueless John Doe troll has itself posted yet another incorrectly formatted USENET posting on Mon, 9 May 2022 08:17:44 -0000
    (UTC) in message-id <t5ain8$81f$2@dont-email.me>.

    Further, Troll Doe stated the following in message-id <svsh05$lbh$5@dont-email.me> posted Fri, 4 Mar 2022 08:01:09 -0000
    (UTC):

    Compared to other regulars, Bozo contributes practically nothing
    except insults to this group.

    Yet, since Wed, 5 Jan 2022 04:10:38 -0000 (UTC) Troll Doe's post ratio
    to USENET (**) has been 61.1% of its posts contributing "nothing except insults" to USENET.

    ** Since Wed, 5 Jan 2022 04:10:38 -0000 (UTC) Troll Doe has posted at
    least 1350 articles to USENET. Of which 144 have been pure insults and
    681 have been Troll Doe "troll format" postings.

    This posting is a public service announcement for any google groups
    readers who happen by to point out that the John Doe troll does not even follow the rules it uses to troll other posters.

    VLr3idQpjFtO




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  • From Edward Hernandez@21:1/5 to All on Mon May 9 08:57:20 2022
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    The John Doe troll stated the following in message-id <sdhn7c$pkp$4@dont-email.me>:

    The troll doesn't even know how to format a USENET post...

    And the John Doe troll stated the following in message-id <sg3kr7$qt5$1@dont-email.me>:

    The reason Bozo cannot figure out how to get Google to keep from
    breaking its lines in inappropriate places is because Bozo is
    CLUELESS...

    And yet, the clueless John Doe troll has itself posted yet another
    incorrectly formatted USENET posting on Mon, 9 May 2022 08:55:21 -0000
    (UTC) in message-id <t5aktp$81f$4@dont-email.me>.

    Further, Troll Doe stated the following in message-id <svsh05$lbh$5@dont-email.me> posted Fri, 4 Mar 2022 08:01:09 -0000
    (UTC):

    Compared to other regulars, Bozo contributes practically nothing
    except insults to this group.

    Yet, since Wed, 5 Jan 2022 04:10:38 -0000 (UTC) Troll Doe's post ratio
    to USENET (**) has been 61.1% of its posts contributing "nothing except insults" to USENET.

    ** Since Wed, 5 Jan 2022 04:10:38 -0000 (UTC) Troll Doe has posted at
    least 1353 articles to USENET. Of which 144 have been pure insults and
    683 have been Troll Doe "troll format" postings.

    This posting is a public service announcement for any google groups
    readers who happen by to point out that the John Doe troll does not even
    follow the rules it uses to troll other posters.

    P+dWfoyoZepw

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  • From Anthony William Sloman@21:1/5 to John Doe on Mon May 9 04:55:30 2022
    On Monday, May 9, 2022 at 6:17:51 PM UTC+10, John Doe wrote:

    Anthony William Sloman <bill....@ieee.org> wrote:

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    Subject: Re: OT: Old news: Bill and Melinda Gates divorced
    From: Anthony William Sloman <bill....@ieee.org>
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    On Sunday, May 8, 2022 at 4:18:03 PM UTC+10, John Doe wrote:
    I just heard about that.

    <snip>

    And what on earth would lead John Doe to imagine that he should post his thoughts on the subject here?
    Even if he had anything worthwhile to say on the subject, why would he want to say it here?

    Bill Gates was a relatively HUGE software engineer.

    He wasn't. He was in the right place at the right time with a more or less adequate operating system when IBM needed one for their personal computer.
    IBM's software quality control team went through it in detail, and made it whole lot more reliable than it was when Bill Gates had offered it to them. They were fairly rude about the original code. It was essentially a clone of Gary Kildall's CP/M.
    Kildall didn't want to talk to IBM. so IBM went to Bill Gates instead.

    Everything since then has been the ruthless, and rather uninspired exploitation of a largely captive market.

    Such a major development in his personal life is news to any high tech oriented person.

    It's gossip column fodder. Bill Gates is famous because he's rich. He got rich from software, but he didn't get rich because it was good software. He got rich because it was more or less adequate software in the right place at the right time.

    This chronic-lying cannibal leftist Australian troll is the most persistent troll in this group...

    John Doe does lie a lot, though he may be too stupid to realise that he is lying. And he's blind to the fact that he's our number one troll. Nobody else can hold a candle to his nasty habits.

    --
    Bill Sloman, Sydney

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  • From rbowman@21:1/5 to John Doe on Mon May 9 07:43:45 2022
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    On 05/09/2022 02:17 AM, John Doe wrote:
    Bill Gates was a relatively HUGE software engineer. Such a major
    development in his personal life is news to any high tech oriented person.

    Huge entrepreneur; software engineer not so much.

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  • From John Doe@21:1/5 to rbowman on Tue May 10 03:27:39 2022
    rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:

    John Doe wrote:

    Bill Gates was a relatively HUGE software engineer. Such a major
    development in his personal life is news to any high tech oriented
    person.

    Huge entrepreneur; software engineer not so much.

    Huge businessman for sure, and he employed jillians of engineers.

    Microsoft's (short for "microcomputer software") Windows has been the only mainstream personal computer operating system since its beginning. Not
    even IBM's OS/2 could touch it. While constantly shopping for and playing
    with PC stuff, I saw OS/2 in stores but was never persuaded to buy a copy.

    Windows had a rocky first ten years (the blue screen of death (BSOD) was infamous), but, perhaps encouraged by the Microsoft antitrust trial,
    Microsoft produced Windows 2000 and Windows XP that made Windows easy to
    use for end-users without professional support. No more BSODs or being
    locked out of Windows.

    I can hear a pin drop in my computer, but nothing in the last few days has
    even hinted at anything being wrong. One thing there is a lot of nowadays
    is processes starting and stopping. You might not have this in Linux, but
    in Windows... We can hear all types of system sounds. Mine has always been
    set up to beep whenever a process starts or stops. Over the years, system activity has gradually increased. Long ago, even seeing the hard drive
    light blink without having asked the stupid computer to do something was annoying. Now it's always doing something.

    Windows functionality could be better, but it is adequate. Post 2000, my
    only complaint is not having built in speech and automation. I asked the antitrust trial District Court "friend of the court" about speech
    recognition and TTS being essential forms of input/output. He resisted.
    But in fact, as Google is proving with Android, speech is a big part of computing. Obviously someday it will be on every sort of platform. Every
    sci-fi movie with computers in it has them talking. Linux has nothing like
    that built-in and cannot even be configured to do the speech stuff I do on Windows.

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  • From John Doe@21:1/5 to All on Tue May 10 05:15:09 2022
    The deranged Australian troll gets upset whenever somebody else acts like
    they know something.

    Bozo Bill Sloman, the most frequent troll in this group, is an attention-craving chronic liar who cannot be reasoned with...

    "the user has posted under the same name in other places, so not
    nym-shifting" (Bozo sucks at logic)

    "the Mueller investigation was about Trump only because Trump made it so"
    (Bozo being Bozo)

    "the concepts "male" and "female" are essentially social constructions"
    (Bozo is a textbook cannibal leftist)

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  • From Anthony William Sloman@21:1/5 to John Doe on Mon May 9 21:36:08 2022
    On Tuesday, May 10, 2022 at 1:27:46 PM UTC+10, John Doe wrote:
    rbowman <bow...@montana.com> wrote:

    John Doe wrote:

    Bill Gates was a relatively HUGE software engineer. Such a major
    development in his personal life is news to any high tech oriented
    person.

    Huge entrepreneur; software engineer not so much.

    Huge businessman for sure, and he employed jillians of engineers.

    Mainly to make money and lock out the competition.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Browser_wars

    Netscape worked fine, until Microsoft started tinkering with it's Explorer so that stuff that worked for Netscape didn't work for Explorer. It prompted the United States Microsoft antitrust case in 1998, which didn't work - Explorer remained the
    dominant browser until about 2004 - peaking at 96% market share in 2001. When Firefox showed in 2004 it took over, peaking in 2010

    Microsoft's (short for "microcomputer software") Windows has been the only mainstream personal computer operating system since its beginning. Not even IBM's OS/2 could touch it. While constantly shopping for and playing with PC stuff, I saw OS/2 in
    stores but was never persuaded to buy a copy.

    Everybody else was using it. Linux was better, but harder to use.

    Windows had a rocky first ten years (the blue screen of death (BSOD) was infamous), but, perhaps encouraged by the Microsoft antitrust trial, Microsoft produced Windows 2000 and Windows XP that made Windows easy to use for end-users without
    professional support. No more BSODs or being locked out of Windows.

    They weren't so much easier to use, as less bug-ridden. Microsoft used its customer base as it quality control department.

    I can hear a pin drop in my computer, but nothing in the last few days has even hinted at anything being wrong.

    John Doe isn't quite the expert he imagines himself to be.

    One thing there is a lot of nowadays is processes starting and stopping. You might not have this in Linux, but in Windows... We can hear all types of system sounds. Mine has always been set up to beep whenever a process starts or stops.

    Linux lets you do whatever you want to do.

    Over the years, system activity has gradually increased. Long ago, even seeing the hard drive light blink without having asked the stupid computer to do something was annoying. Now it's always doing something.

    John Doe hasn't got a clue.

    Windows functionality could be better, but it is adequate. Post 2000, my only complaint is not having built in speech and automation. I asked the antitrust trial District Court "friend of the court" about speech recognition and TTS being essential
    forms of input/output.

    It's obviously not essential. Speech recognition has been around for ages but it isn't all that reliable. Human speech is set up to be fairly redundant, and listeners are expected to do a lot of error detection and correction. Computer haven't got the
    processing power to do that anything like as well as humans. It can generate rough drafts, but that's about it.

    He resisted.

    He knew what he was talking about. John doe doesn't.

    But in fact, as Google is proving with Android, speech is a big part of computing.

    Speech hasn't got anything to do with computing. It's one more human-computer interface.

    Obviously someday it will be on every sort of platform.

    And will work almost as well as a typist transcribing dictation.

    Every sci-fi movie with computers in it has them talking.

    That why it is called science *fiction*.

    Linux has nothing like that built-in and cannot even be configured to do the speech stuff I do on Windows.

    Of course it could. Natural-sounding speech synthesis is remarkably tricky, and you pretty much have to know what the speech you are synthesising actually means if you wan to get the prosody right. Getting hold of the necessary database could be tricky.
    Co-oarticulation means that you need a data base of diphones for you language, and in practice for your dialect.

    English has 42 phoneme so you need the 1764 pairs of phonemes before you can make one sound right when it follows another.

    They have been published, but only fairly recently, and they are large.

    --
    Bill Sloman, Sydney

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  • From rbowman@21:1/5 to Anthony William Sloman on Mon May 9 23:38:26 2022
    On 05/09/2022 10:36 PM, Anthony William Sloman wrote:
    Of course it could. Natural-sounding speech synthesis is remarkably tricky, and you pretty much have to know what the speech you are synthesising actually means if you wan to get the prosody right. Getting hold of the necessary database could be
    tricky. Co-oarticulation means that you need a data base of diphones for you language, and in practice for your dialect.

    I sometimes listen to the NOAA weather on the radio. The speech
    synthesis has improved quite a bit but there are odd slips like
    pronouncing 'wind' like 'wind up a spool of wire'. That's surprising
    given the limited vocabulary of a weather forecast. Place names are also problematic but even native English speakers can mangle them. In New
    England 'Worcester' can act as a shibboleth to screen out visiting Texans.

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  • From Anthony William Sloman@21:1/5 to John Doe on Mon May 9 23:15:00 2022
    On Tuesday, May 10, 2022 at 3:15:18 PM UTC+10, John Doe wrote:
    The Australian gets upset whenever somebody else acts like
    they know something.

    It's more specific than that, though John Doe isn't in any position to be aware of this, as he knows very little, and what he thinks he knows is mostly wrong.

    I do get upset when people post incorrect information here, particularly when it is worded in a way that might make an unsophisticated reader take them seriously.

    It's a fairly significant difference from what John Doe is claiming, but since John Doe makes a habit of posting demented assertions on the basis that they are inarguably correct, one can see where he is coming from. It would be nice if he went back
    there and shut up, but he's much too silly for that to happen.

    <snipped the usual recycled insults>

    --
    Bill Sloman, Sydney

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  • From rbowman@21:1/5 to John Doe on Mon May 9 23:31:49 2022
    On 05/09/2022 09:27 PM, John Doe wrote:
    Windows functionality could be better, but it is adequate. Post 2000, my
    only complaint is not having built in speech and automation. I asked the antitrust trial District Court "friend of the court" about speech
    recognition and TTS being essential forms of input/output. He resisted.
    But in fact, as Google is proving with Android, speech is a big part of computing. Obviously someday it will be on every sort of platform. Every sci-fi movie with computers in it has them talking. Linux has nothing like that built-in and cannot even be configured to do the speech stuff I do on Windows.

    https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/previous-versions/windows/desktop/ms720151(v=vs.85)

    That's old but I remember playing around with text to speech on an XP
    box. It was only an API but fairly easy to use. We got a few laughs out
    of it but the last thing an emergency dispatcher needs is a talking
    computer. Speech to text might have some use although they are talking
    to the person on the other end of the 911 call during an active incident.

    Fast forward 10 years:

    https://www.lifewire.com/use-text-to-speech-in-windows-5206145

    Never used it. My brushes with Ease of Access generally come when I fall
    asleep on the shift key and get the popup.

    https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/use-voice-typing-to-talk-instead-of-type-on-your-pc-fec94565-c4bd-329d-e59a-af033fa5689f

    That may make the folks at Dragon unhappy. Like Google it goes off to a
    server to do the dirty work which may make some people uneasy.

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  • From John Doe@21:1/5 to rbowman on Tue May 10 06:15:34 2022
    rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:

    John Doe wrote:

    Windows functionality could be better, but it is adequate. Post 2000,
    my only complaint is not having built in speech and automation. I asked
    the antitrust trial District Court "friend of the court" about speech
    recognition and TTS being essential forms of input/output. He resisted.
    But in fact, as Google is proving with Android, speech is a big part of
    computing. Obviously someday it will be on every sort of platform.
    Every sci-fi movie with computers in it has them talking. Linux has
    nothing like that built-in and cannot even be configured to do the
    speech stuff I do on Windows.

    https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/previous-versions/windows/desktop/ms720151(v=vs.85)

    That's old but I remember playing around with text to speech on an XP
    box. It was only an API but fairly easy to use. We got a few laughs out
    of it but the last thing an emergency dispatcher needs is a talking
    computer. Speech to text might have some use although they are talking
    to the person on the other end of the 911 call during an active
    incident.

    Fast forward 10 years:

    https://www.lifewire.com/use-text-to-speech-in-windows-5206145

    Never used it. My brushes with Ease of Access generally come when I fall asleep on the shift key and get the popup.

    I resemble that remark.

    https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/use-voice-typing-to-talk-instead-of-type-on-your-pc-fec94565-c4bd-329d-e59a-af033fa5689f

    That may make the folks at Dragon unhappy. Like Google it goes off to a server to do the dirty work which may make some people uneasy.

    https://news.microsoft.com/2022/03/04/microsoft-completes-acquisition-of-nuance-ushering-in-new-era-of-outcomes-based-ai/

    "Microsoft completes acquisition of Nuance"

    IBM tried speech recognition with its "Via Voice". Microsoft tried speech recognition with "Windows Speech Recognition" (WSR for short, and it was).

    Microsoft has acquired the maker of Dragon NaturallySpeaking (I use to
    dictate with and to activate scripts in Windows).

    That will be great if Microsoft doesn't kill Nuance's talent and (assuming
    it wants to) it successfully integrates Dragon into Windows.

    But that's still a long way from voice-activated scripting. Hopefully the guys/buddies who make the automation utilities compatible with Dragon will
    find Microsoft's (assumed) implementation of Dragon in Windows easier to
    hack. The Vocola 3 scripting stuff works with WSR (that almost nobody uses).
    So there is potential, if Microsoft replaces its SR with the Dragon stuff.

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