• just a thought (Ukraine)

    From David Eather@21:1/5 to All on Sat Apr 30 18:02:35 2022
    Back in the day (and it was only a few days) when Ukraine was the
    world's third biggest nuclear power, both Putin and The US guaranteed
    the territorial integrity of Ukraine if Ukraine gave up their Nukes -
    which Ukraine did.

    So....

    If the US reactivated that agreement and sent troops to Ukraine would
    the Russians support them or oppose them?

    What do you think they would do vs what they should do?

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  • From Ed Lee@21:1/5 to David Eather on Sat Apr 30 06:36:07 2022
    On Saturday, April 30, 2022 at 1:02:43 AM UTC-7, David Eather wrote:
    Back in the day (and it was only a few days) when Ukraine was the
    world's third biggest nuclear power, both Putin and The US guaranteed
    the territorial integrity of Ukraine if Ukraine gave up their Nukes -
    which Ukraine did.

    So....

    If the US reactivated that agreement and sent troops to Ukraine would
    the Russians support them or oppose them?

    What do you think they would do vs what they should do?

    They would nuke the US/NATO troop.

    It's unnecessary to send in troop. There is no shortage of manpower willing and ready to fight, but we need to send them all the equipments. Some countries are holding back on equipments, for their own defence, but against whom? With Russia weaken, or
    revealed as weak, there is no need for large defence stockpiles. There will be time to replenish the supplies.

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  • From Lasse Langwadt Christensen@21:1/5 to All on Sat Apr 30 07:06:41 2022
    lørdag den 30. april 2022 kl. 15.36.11 UTC+2 skrev Ed Lee:
    On Saturday, April 30, 2022 at 1:02:43 AM UTC-7, David Eather wrote:
    Back in the day (and it was only a few days) when Ukraine was the
    world's third biggest nuclear power, both Putin and The US guaranteed
    the territorial integrity of Ukraine if Ukraine gave up their Nukes - which Ukraine did.

    So....

    If the US reactivated that agreement and sent troops to Ukraine would
    the Russians support them or oppose them?

    What do you think they would do vs what they should do?
    They would nuke the US/NATO troop.

    It's unnecessary to send in troop. There is no shortage of manpower willing and ready to fight, but we need to send them all the equipments. Some countries are holding back on equipments, for their own defence, but against whom? With Russia weaken, or
    revealed as weak, there is no need for large defence stockpiles. There will be time to replenish the supplies.

    US/NATO troops in Ukraine would just give Putin an excuse as to why he's not winning

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  • From David Eather@21:1/5 to Lasse Langwadt Christensen on Sun May 1 13:34:49 2022
    On 1/05/2022 12:06 am, Lasse Langwadt Christensen wrote:
    lørdag den 30. april 2022 kl. 15.36.11 UTC+2 skrev Ed Lee:
    On Saturday, April 30, 2022 at 1:02:43 AM UTC-7, David Eather wrote:
    Back in the day (and it was only a few days) when Ukraine was the
    world's third biggest nuclear power, both Putin and The US guaranteed
    the territorial integrity of Ukraine if Ukraine gave up their Nukes -
    which Ukraine did.

    So....

    If the US reactivated that agreement and sent troops to Ukraine would
    the Russians support them or oppose them?

    What do you think they would do vs what they should do?
    They would nuke the US/NATO troop.

    It's unnecessary to send in troop. There is no shortage of manpower willing and ready to fight, but we need to send them all the equipments. Some countries are holding back on equipments, for their own defence, but against whom? With Russia weaken, or
    revealed as weak, there is no need for large defence stockpiles. There will be time to replenish the supplies.

    US/NATO troops in Ukraine would just give Putin an excuse as to why he's not winning


    which might allow him to withdraw and save face - after all failure is
    not his fault but caused by foreign intervention and Putin had to save
    the world.

    The previous guy said there was no need to send troops, just weapons.
    No. What makes the weapons effective is properly trained troops, with
    tactics suited to the weapon systems strengths and overall battle order.
    Plus the integration of all those systems together in a cohesive whole.

    Just going over Putler's rhetoric again, it would be fulfilled by
    sinking a ship carrying supplies with a hyper-sonic missile or indeed
    doing the same to an aircraft doing the same (in the air or on the ground).

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  • From John Doe@21:1/5 to All on Mon May 2 05:50:33 2022
    Anybody can do a little research.

    allintext:"Henry Kissinger" NATO Ukraine

    Henry Kissinger isn't the only world renowned diplomat who warned against aggressive NATO expansion to Russia's border countries.

    Besides, it won't help anything. Russia will eventually retaliate by
    lobbing nukes, and we will all horribly suffer. Continued aggressive NATO expansion will do no good whatsoever.

    You don't have to believe some entity is good to believe they have a right
    to self-defense. Even the worst criminal freshly convicted and in jail has
    a right to self-defense.

    Too many suicidal idiots in the world.

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  • From DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno@decadenc@21:1/5 to John Dope on Mon May 2 06:09:54 2022
    John Dope <always.look@message.header> wrote in news:t4nrf9$1fq$4@dont- email.me:

    Too many suicidal idiots in the world.


    The goddamned shame of it is that you are not one of them.

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  • From John Doe@21:1/5 to DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno@decadenc on Mon May 2 06:30:58 2022
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    The foulmouthed group idiot, a.k.a. Always Wrong...

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    John Dope <always.look@message.header> wrote in news:t4nrf9$1fq$4@dont- email.me:

    Too many suicidal idiots in the world.


    The goddamned shame of it is that you are not one of them.



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  • From Edward Hernandez@21:1/5 to All on Mon May 2 06:32:54 2022
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    The John Doe troll stated the following in message-id <sdhn7c$pkp$4@dont-email.me>:

    The troll doesn't even know how to format a USENET post...

    And the John Doe troll stated the following in message-id <sg3kr7$qt5$1@dont-email.me>:

    The reason Bozo cannot figure out how to get Google to keep from
    breaking its lines in inappropriate places is because Bozo is
    CLUELESS...

    And yet, the clueless John Doe troll has itself posted yet another
    incorrectly formatted USENET posting on Mon, 2 May 2022 06:30:58 -0000
    (UTC) in message-id <t4ntr2$1fq$8@dont-email.me>.

    Further, Troll Doe stated the following in message-id <svsh05$lbh$5@dont-email.me> posted Fri, 4 Mar 2022 08:01:09 -0000
    (UTC):

    Compared to other regulars, Bozo contributes practically nothing
    except insults to this group.

    Yet, since Wed, 5 Jan 2022 04:10:38 -0000 (UTC) Troll Doe's post ratio
    to USENET (**) has been 57.7% of its posts contributing "nothing except insults" to USENET.

    ** Since Wed, 5 Jan 2022 04:10:38 -0000 (UTC) Troll Doe has posted at
    least 1184 articles to USENET. Of which 139 have been pure insults and
    544 have been Troll Doe "troll format" postings.

    This posting is a public service announcement for any google groups
    readers who happen by to point out that the John Doe troll does not even
    follow the rules it uses to troll other posters.

    EshOhWRXh5T7

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  • From Edward Hernandez@21:1/5 to All on Mon May 2 06:44:29 2022
    XPost: free.spam

    The John Doe troll stated the following in message-id <sdhn7c$pkp$4@dont-email.me>:

    The troll doesn't even know how to format a USENET post...

    And the John Doe troll stated the following in message-id <sg3kr7$qt5$1@dont-email.me>:

    The reason Bozo cannot figure out how to get Google to keep from
    breaking its lines in inappropriate places is because Bozo is
    CLUELESS...

    And yet, the clueless John Doe troll has itself posted yet another
    incorrectly formatted USENET posting on Mon, 2 May 2022 06:39:26 -0000
    (UTC) in message-id <t4nuau$1fq$13@dont-email.me>.

    Further, Troll Doe stated the following in message-id <svsh05$lbh$5@dont-email.me> posted Fri, 4 Mar 2022 08:01:09 -0000
    (UTC):

    Compared to other regulars, Bozo contributes practically nothing
    except insults to this group.

    Yet, since Wed, 5 Jan 2022 04:10:38 -0000 (UTC) Troll Doe's post ratio
    to USENET (**) has been 57.8% of its posts contributing "nothing except insults" to USENET.

    ** Since Wed, 5 Jan 2022 04:10:38 -0000 (UTC) Troll Doe has posted at
    least 1192 articles to USENET. Of which 139 have been pure insults and
    550 have been Troll Doe "troll format" postings.

    This posting is a public service announcement for any google groups
    readers who happen by to point out that the John Doe troll does not even
    follow the rules it uses to troll other posters.

    DUlVWzTD4yrd

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  • From Anthony William Sloman@21:1/5 to John Doe on Mon May 2 00:11:12 2022
    On Monday, May 2, 2022 at 3:50:40 PM UTC+10, John Doe wrote:
    Anybody can do a little research.

    allintext:"Henry Kissinger" NATO Ukraine

    Henry Kissinger isn't the only world renowned diplomat who warned against aggressive NATO expansion to Russia's border countries.

    And John Doe's idea of doing a little research is to do enough to find something that appears to support his bizarre point of view, even when it is old enough to mean something very different now.

    Besides, it won't help anything. Russia will eventually retaliate by lobbing nukes, and we will all horribly suffer.

    Probably not. The Russians aren't as stupid as John doe likes to think. For one thing they probably aren't as stupid as John Doe.

    Continued aggressive NATO expansion will do no good whatsoever.

    NATO is a defensive alliance. It's expansion can't be aggressive. Aggressive neighbours - like Russia - do encourage Russia's neighbours to join every defensive alliance that will take them.

    You don't have to believe some entity is good to believe they have a right to self-defense.

    Russia's invasion of the Ukraine isn't any kind of "self-defense" any more than Russia's annexation of the Crimea was. The fake separatist movement in Donbas weren't either.

    Even the worst criminal freshly convicted and in jail has a right to self-defense.

    But not to "defend" themselves when they haven"t actually been attacked.

    Too many suicidal idiots in the world.

    And John Doe is one of them, though his life-threatening idiocies haven't actually killed him yet, which is surprising.

    --
    Bill Sloman, Sydney

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  • From David Eather@21:1/5 to John Doe on Tue May 3 13:54:13 2022
    On 2/05/2022 3:50 pm, John Doe wrote:
    Anybody can do a little research.

    allintext:"Henry Kissinger" NATO Ukraine

    Henry Kissinger isn't the only world renowned diplomat who warned against aggressive NATO expansion to Russia's border countries.

    Besides, it won't help anything. Russia will eventually retaliate by
    lobbing nukes, and we will all horribly suffer. Continued aggressive NATO expansion will do no good whatsoever.

    You don't have to believe some entity is good to believe they have a right
    to self-defense. Even the worst criminal freshly convicted and in jail has
    a right to self-defense.

    Too many suicidal idiots in the world.

    Getting NATO to plan an attack on anybody is as fruitless an exercise as herding cats. Hence, an expanding NATO threatens no one.

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  • From John Doe@21:1/5 to Anthony William Sloman on Tue May 3 11:07:17 2022
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    Bill "Bozo" Sloman cannot even spell his own name right...

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    Subject: Re: OT: just a thought (Ukraine)
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    On Monday, May 2, 2022 at 3:50:40 PM UTC+10, John Doe wrote:
    Anybody can do a little research.

    allintext:"Henry Kissinger" NATO Ukraine

    Henry Kissinger isn't the only world renowned diplomat who warned against
    aggressive NATO expansion to Russia's border countries.

    And John Doe's idea of doing a little research is to do enough to find something that appears to support his bizarre point of view, even when it is old enough to mean something very different now.

    Besides, it won't help anything. Russia will eventually retaliate by lobbing nukes, and we will all horribly suffer.

    Probably not. The Russians aren't as stupid as John doe likes to think. For one thing they probably aren't as stupid as John Doe.

    Continued aggressive NATO expansion will do no good whatsoever.

    NATO is a defensive alliance. It's expansion can't be aggressive. Aggressive neighbours - like Russia - do encourage Russia's neighbours to join every defensive alliance that will take them.

    You don't have to believe some entity is good to believe they have a right to self-defense.

    Russia's invasion of the Ukraine isn't any kind of "self-defense" any more than Russia's annexation of the Crimea was. The fake separatist movement in Donbas weren't either.

    Even the worst criminal freshly convicted and in jail has a right to self-defense.

    But not to "defend" themselves when they haven"t actually been attacked.

    Too many suicidal idiots in the world.

    And John Doe is one of them, though his life-threatening idiocies haven't actually killed him yet, which is surprising.

    --
    Bil Sloman, Sydney



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  • From Edward Hernandez@21:1/5 to All on Tue May 3 11:07:36 2022
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    The John Doe troll stated the following in message-id <sdhn7c$pkp$4@dont-email.me>:

    The troll doesn't even know how to format a USENET post...

    And the John Doe troll stated the following in message-id <sg3kr7$qt5$1@dont-email.me>:

    The reason Bozo cannot figure out how to get Google to keep from
    breaking its lines in inappropriate places is because Bozo is
    CLUELESS...

    And yet, the clueless John Doe troll has continued to post incorrectly formatted USENET articles that are devoid of content (latest example on
    Tue, 3 May 2022 11:07:17 -0000 (UTC) in message-id <t4r2d5$o6q$6@dont-email.me>).

    NOBODY likes the John Doe troll's contentless spam.

    Further, John Doe stated the following in message-id <svsh05$lbh$5@dont-email.me> posted Fri, 4 Mar 2022 08:01:09 -0000
    (UTC):

    Compared to other regulars, Bozo contributes practically nothing
    except insults to this group.

    Yet, since Wed, 5 Jan 2022 04:10:38 -0000 (UTC) John Doe's post ratio to
    USENET (**) has been 58.5% of its posts contributing "nothing except
    insults" to USENET.

    ** Since Wed, 5 Jan 2022 04:10:38 -0000 (UTC) John Doe has posted at
    least 1206 articles to USENET. Of which 141 have been pure insults and
    564 have been John Doe "troll format" postings.

    This posting is a public service announcement for any google groups
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    follow the rules it uses to troll other posters.

    QX3F+ToqY2G1

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  • From John Doe@21:1/5 to David Eather on Tue May 3 11:14:39 2022
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    NATO countries have attacked LOTS of others since the end of World War II, while NATO members cheered them on. Because NATO aggressors do not fly a
    NATO flag is meaningless.

    Nothing but parroting propaganda...

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    On 2/05/2022 3:50 pm, John Doe wrote:
    Anybody can do a little research.

    allintext:"Henry Kissinger" NATO Ukraine

    Henry Kissinger isn't the only world renowned diplomat who warned against
    aggressive NATO expansion to Russia's border countries.

    Besides, it won't help anything. Russia will eventually retaliate by
    lobbing nukes, and we will all horribly suffer. Continued aggressive NATO
    expansion will do no good whatsoever.

    You don't have to believe some entity is good to believe they have a right >> to self-defense. Even the worst criminal freshly convicted and in jail has >> a right to self-defense.

    Too many suicidal idiots in the world.

    Getting NATO to plan an attack on anybody is as fruitless an exercise as herding cats. Hence, an expanding NATO threatens no one.



    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From Edward Hernandez@21:1/5 to All on Tue May 3 11:15:57 2022
    XPost: free.spam

    The John Doe troll stated the following in message-id <sdhn7c$pkp$4@dont-email.me>:

    The troll doesn't even know how to format a USENET post...

    And the John Doe troll stated the following in message-id <sg3kr7$qt5$1@dont-email.me>:

    The reason Bozo cannot figure out how to get Google to keep from
    breaking its lines in inappropriate places is because Bozo is
    CLUELESS...

    And yet, the clueless John Doe troll has continued to post incorrectly formatted USENET articles that are devoid of content (latest example on
    Tue, 3 May 2022 11:14:39 -0000 (UTC) in message-id <t4r2qu$o6q$7@dont-email.me>).

    NOBODY likes the John Doe troll's contentless spam.

    Further, Troll Doe stated the following in message-id <svsh05$lbh$5@dont-email.me> posted Fri, 4 Mar 2022 08:01:09 -0000
    (UTC):

    Compared to other regulars, Bozo contributes practically nothing
    except insults to this group.

    Yet, since Wed, 5 Jan 2022 04:10:38 -0000 (UTC) Troll Doe's post ratio
    to USENET (**) has been 58.5% of its posts contributing "nothing except insults" to USENET.

    ** Since Wed, 5 Jan 2022 04:10:38 -0000 (UTC) Troll Doe has posted at
    least 1208 articles to USENET. Of which 141 have been pure insults and
    566 have been Troll Doe "troll format" postings.

    This posting is a public service announcement for any google groups
    readers who happen by to point out that the John Doe troll does not even
    follow the rules it uses to troll other posters.

    /EbFFr1BHJkW

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  • From Anthony William Sloman@21:1/5 to John Doe on Tue May 3 04:20:27 2022
    On Tuesday, May 3, 2022 at 9:07:24 PM UTC+10, John Doe wrote:
    Anthony William Sloman <bill....@ieee.org> wrote:

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    Subject: Re: OT: just a thought (Ukraine)
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    On Monday, May 2, 2022 at 3:50:40 PM UTC+10, John Doe wrote:
    Anybody can do a little research.

    allintext:"Henry Kissinger" NATO Ukraine

    Henry Kissinger isn't the only world renowned diplomat who warned against >> aggressive NATO expansion to Russia's border countries.

    And John Doe's idea of doing a little research is to do enough to find something that appears to support his bizarre point of view, even when it is old enough to mean something very different now.

    Besides, it won't help anything. Russia will eventually retaliate by lobbing nukes, and we will all horribly suffer.

    Probably not. The Russians aren't as stupid as John Doe likes to think. For one thing they probably aren't as stupid as John Doe.

    Continued aggressive NATO expansion will do no good whatsoever.

    NATO is a defensive alliance. It's expansion can't be aggressive. Aggressive neighbours - like Russia - do encourage Russia's neighbours to join every defensive alliance that will take them.

    You don't have to believe some entity is good to believe they have a right to self-defense.

    Russia's invasion of the Ukraine isn't any kind of "self-defense" any more than Russia's annexation of the Crimea was. The fake separatist movement in Donbas weren't either.

    Even the worst criminal freshly convicted and in jail has a right to self-defense.

    But not to "defend" themselves when they haven"t actually been attacked.

    Too many suicidal idiots in the world.

    And John Doe is one of them, though his life-threatening idiocies haven't actually killed him yet, which is surprising.

    Bill Sloman cannot even spell his own name right...

    John Doe - like Flyguy - has to pounce on typos. Evidence of anything more exciting seems to escape him, so he has to make do with with them.

    --
    Bill Sloman, Sydney

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  • From Edward Hernandez@21:1/5 to All on Tue May 3 12:05:20 2022
    XPost: free.spam

    The John Doe troll stated the following in message-id <sdhn7c$pkp$4@dont-email.me>:

    The troll doesn't even know how to format a USENET post...

    And the John Doe troll stated the following in message-id <sg3kr7$qt5$1@dont-email.me>:

    The reason Bozo cannot figure out how to get Google to keep from
    breaking its lines in inappropriate places is because Bozo is
    CLUELESS...

    And yet, the clueless John Doe troll has itself posted yet another
    incorrectly formatted USENET posting on Tue, 3 May 2022 11:51:35 -0000
    (UTC) in message-id <t4r507$1d7$1@dont-email.me>.

    Further, John Doe stated the following in message-id <svsh05$lbh$5@dont-email.me> posted Fri, 4 Mar 2022 08:01:09 -0000
    (UTC):

    Compared to other regulars, Bozo contributes practically nothing
    except insults to this group.

    Yet, since Wed, 5 Jan 2022 04:10:38 -0000 (UTC) John Doe's post ratio to
    USENET (**) has been 59.4% of its posts contributing "nothing except
    insults" to USENET.

    ** Since Wed, 5 Jan 2022 04:10:38 -0000 (UTC) John Doe has posted at
    least 1234 articles to USENET. Of which 141 have been pure insults and
    592 have been John Doe "troll format" postings.

    Xn7kSCV7gvvk

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  • From David Eather@21:1/5 to John Doe on Wed May 4 13:42:58 2022
    XPost: free.spam

    On 3/05/2022 9:14 pm, John Doe wrote:
    NATO countries have attacked LOTS of others since the end of World War II, while NATO members cheered them on. Because NATO aggressors do not fly a
    NATO flag is meaningless.

    Nothing but parroting propaganda...

    such as the necessary intervention in the Balkans on humanitarian grounds.

    And the operations in Afghanistan where they were compelled to act when
    the US activated article 5 of the NATO treaty - an attack on one is an
    attack on all.

    Did I miss any of the lots?

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  • From John Doe@21:1/5 to David Eather on Wed May 4 05:00:38 2022
    XPost: free.spam

    Nothing but parroting propaganda and lies...

    --
    David Eather <eatREMOVEher@tpg.com.au> wrote:

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    On 3/05/2022 9:14 pm, John Doe wrote:
    NATO countries have attacked LOTS of others since the end of World War II, >> while NATO members cheered them on. Because NATO aggressors do not fly a
    NATO flag is meaningless.

    Nothing but parroting propaganda...

    such as the necessary intervention in the Balkans on humanitarian grounds.

    And the operations in Afghanistan where they were compelled to act when
    the US activated article 5 of the NATO treaty - an attack on one is an
    attack on all.

    Did I miss any of the lots?



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  • From whit3rd@21:1/5 to John Doe on Tue May 3 22:10:43 2022
    On Tuesday, May 3, 2022 at 4:14:46 AM UTC-7, John Doe wrote:

    David Eather <eatREM...@tpg.com.au> wrote:

    Getting NATO to plan an attack on anybody is as fruitless an exercise as herding cats. Hence, an expanding NATO threatens no one.

    NATO countries have attacked LOTS of others since the end of World War II, while NATO members cheered them on.

    Name two, this century, that weren't counter-attacks after an assault, nor in response
    to major treaty violations. Planning an attack under NATO auspices is only gonna happen
    if the members believe the mutual defense condition is met.

    Because NATO aggressors do not fly a
    NATO flag is meaningless.

    So, why is it noteworthy?

    Nothing but parroting propaganda...

    And that... is it your motto?

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From Edward Hernandez@21:1/5 to All on Wed May 4 05:26:45 2022
    XPost: free.spam

    The John Doe troll stated the following in message-id <sdhn7c$pkp$4@dont-email.me>:

    The troll doesn't even know how to format a USENET post...

    And the John Doe troll stated the following in message-id <sg3kr7$qt5$1@dont-email.me>:

    The reason Bozo cannot figure out how to get Google to keep from
    breaking its lines in inappropriate places is because Bozo is
    CLUELESS...

    And yet, the clueless John Doe troll has continued to post incorrectly formatted USENET articles that are devoid of content (latest example on
    Wed, 4 May 2022 05:00:38 -0000 (UTC) in message-id <t4t19m$vfr$5@dont-email.me>).

    NOBODY likes the John Doe troll's contentless spam.

    Further, John Doe stated the following in message-id <svsh05$lbh$5@dont-email.me> posted Fri, 4 Mar 2022 08:01:09 -0000
    (UTC):

    Compared to other regulars, Bozo contributes practically nothing
    except insults to this group.

    Yet, since Wed, 5 Jan 2022 04:10:38 -0000 (UTC) John Doe's post ratio to
    USENET (**) has been 59.8% of its posts contributing "nothing except
    insults" to USENET.

    ** Since Wed, 5 Jan 2022 04:10:38 -0000 (UTC) John Doe has posted at
    least 1246 articles to USENET. Of which 141 have been pure insults and
    604 have been John Doe "troll format" postings.

    This posting is a public service announcement for any google groups
    readers who happen by to point out that the John Doe troll does not even
    follow the rules it uses to troll other posters.

    liQfJxVG40AZ

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  • From Edward Hernandez@21:1/5 to All on Wed May 4 05:31:16 2022
    XPost: free.spam

    The John Doe troll stated the following in message-id <sdhn7c$pkp$4@dont-email.me>:

    The troll doesn't even know how to format a USENET post...

    And the John Doe troll stated the following in message-id <sg3kr7$qt5$1@dont-email.me>:

    The reason Bozo cannot figure out how to get Google to keep from
    breaking its lines in inappropriate places is because Bozo is
    CLUELESS...

    And yet, the clueless John Doe troll has continued to post incorrectly formatted USENET articles that are devoid of content (latest example on
    Wed, 4 May 2022 05:30:25 -0000 (UTC) in message-id <t4t31g$vfr$12@dont-email.me>).

    NOBODY likes the John Doe troll's contentless spam.

    Further, Troll Doe stated the following in message-id <svsh05$lbh$5@dont-email.me> posted Fri, 4 Mar 2022 08:01:09 -0000
    (UTC):

    Compared to other regulars, Bozo contributes practically nothing
    except insults to this group.

    Yet, since Wed, 5 Jan 2022 04:10:38 -0000 (UTC) Troll Doe's post ratio
    to USENET (**) has been 60.1% of its posts contributing "nothing except insults" to USENET.

    ** Since Wed, 5 Jan 2022 04:10:38 -0000 (UTC) Troll Doe has posted at
    least 1257 articles to USENET. Of which 141 have been pure insults and
    614 have been Troll Doe "troll format" postings.

    This posting is a public service announcement for any google groups
    readers who happen by to point out that the John Doe troll does not even
    follow the rules it uses to troll other posters.

    UCIZlE3NMTDJ

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From John Doe@21:1/5 to whit3rd@gmail.com on Wed May 4 05:42:56 2022
    XPost: free.spam

    The fact NATO countries have invaded many other countries for regime
    change and what have you since the end of the Cold War is no secret.
    They do so with the blessing and encouragement of other NATO countries.
    Not flying a NATO flag during an invasion in no way makes NATO less
    responsible for its aggression.

    Any grown-up should know better than to think that NATO is for defense.
    The only purpose for NATO at this point is to get close enough, like
    Ukraine being less than 200 miles from Moscow, to mount a first strike
    against Russia.

    People who want to exterminate Russia should stop pretending they could
    care less about Ukraine (that's a big lie).

    Too many not-quite-grown-up suicidal people in the world...

    --
    whit3rd <whit3rd@gmail.com> wrote:

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    On Tuesday, May 3, 2022 at 4:14:46 AM UTC-7, John Doe wrote:

    David Eather <eatREM...@tpg.com.au> wrote:

    Getting NATO to plan an attack on anybody is as fruitless an exercise as >> > herding cats. Hence, an expanding NATO threatens no one.

    NATO countries have attacked LOTS of others since the end of World War II, >> while NATO members cheered them on.

    Name two, this century, that weren't counter-attacks after an assault, nor in response
    to major treaty violations. Planning an attack under NATO auspices is only gonna happen
    if the members believe the mutual defense condition is met.

    Because NATO aggressors do not fly a
    NATO flag is meaningless.

    So, why is it noteworthy?

    Nothing but parroting propaganda...

    And that... is it your motto?



    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From Edward Hernandez@21:1/5 to All on Wed May 4 05:49:43 2022
    XPost: free.spam

    The John Doe troll stated the following in message-id <sdhn7c$pkp$4@dont-email.me>:

    The troll doesn't even know how to format a USENET post...

    And the John Doe troll stated the following in message-id <sg3kr7$qt5$1@dont-email.me>:

    The reason Bozo cannot figure out how to get Google to keep from
    breaking its lines in inappropriate places is because Bozo is
    CLUELESS...

    And yet, the clueless John Doe troll has continued to post incorrectly formatted USENET articles that are devoid of content (latest example on
    Wed, 4 May 2022 05:42:56 -0000 (UTC) in message-id <t4t3ov$vfr$13@dont-email.me>).

    NOBODY likes the John Doe troll's contentless spam.

    Further, John Doe stated the following in message-id <svsh05$lbh$5@dont-email.me> posted Fri, 4 Mar 2022 08:01:09 -0000
    (UTC):

    Compared to other regulars, Bozo contributes practically nothing
    except insults to this group.

    Yet, since Wed, 5 Jan 2022 04:10:38 -0000 (UTC) John Doe's post ratio to
    USENET (**) has been 60.2% of its posts contributing "nothing except
    insults" to USENET.

    ** Since Wed, 5 Jan 2022 04:10:38 -0000 (UTC) John Doe has posted at
    least 1261 articles to USENET. Of which 141 have been pure insults and
    618 have been John Doe "troll format" postings.

    This posting is a public service announcement for any google groups
    readers who happen by to point out that the John Doe troll does not even
    follow the rules it uses to troll other posters.

    SIkilKC60S1Y

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From Edward Hernandez@21:1/5 to All on Wed May 4 05:58:04 2022
    XPost: free.spam

    The John Doe troll stated the following in message-id <sdhn7c$pkp$4@dont-email.me>:

    The troll doesn't even know how to format a USENET post...

    And the John Doe troll stated the following in message-id <sg3kr7$qt5$1@dont-email.me>:

    The reason Bozo cannot figure out how to get Google to keep from
    breaking its lines in inappropriate places is because Bozo is
    CLUELESS...

    And yet, the clueless John Doe troll has continued to post incorrectly formatted USENET articles that are devoid of content (latest example on
    Wed, 4 May 2022 05:55:49 -0000 (UTC) in message-id <t4t4h5$mss$1@dont-email.me>).

    NOBODY likes the John Doe troll's contentless spam.

    Further, Troll Doe stated the following in message-id <svsh05$lbh$5@dont-email.me> posted Fri, 4 Mar 2022 08:01:09 -0000
    (UTC):

    Compared to other regulars, Bozo contributes practically nothing
    except insults to this group.

    Yet, since Wed, 5 Jan 2022 04:10:38 -0000 (UTC) Troll Doe's post ratio
    to USENET (**) has been 60.3% of its posts contributing "nothing except insults" to USENET.

    ** Since Wed, 5 Jan 2022 04:10:38 -0000 (UTC) Troll Doe has posted at
    least 1263 articles to USENET. Of which 141 have been pure insults and
    620 have been Troll Doe "troll format" postings.

    This posting is a public service announcement for any google groups
    readers who happen by to point out that the John Doe troll does not even
    follow the rules it uses to troll other posters.

    98j060RHD42W

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  • From Anthony William Sloman@21:1/5 to John Doe on Wed May 4 00:13:18 2022
    On Wednesday, May 4, 2022 at 4:34:57 PM UTC+10, John Doe wrote:
    The most recent Fox News video about Ukraine...

    <snip - who cares what Fox News has to say about the Ukraine. It's aimed at idiots like John Doe.>

    In that video comment section, try to find a Fox viewer supporting liberal and neocon lovebirds...

    THAT HAPPENS WITH EVERY FOX NEWS UPLOAD ABOUT UKRAINE-RUSSIA.

    Of course it does. If the news is spun to suck in gullible right-wing twits, you get responses from gullible right-wing twits.

    Never felt so good associating with deplorable Fox News viewers.

    No surprise there. John Doe is a deplorable from way back, and glories in it. If you've got it, flaunt it, even though it makes you decidedly repellent.

    There are clinics that treat some social diseases, but chronic Trump supporters avoid them.

    --
    Bill Sloman, Sydney

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  • From John Doe@21:1/5 to All on Wed May 4 06:34:49 2022
    The most recent Fox News video about Ukraine...

    https://youtu.be/OQZ93hY77Qk

    "President Biden delivers remarks on the security assistance we are
    providing to Ukraine"

    https://youtu.be/OQZ93hY77Qk?t=140

    "On behalf of our 114,000 Lockheed Martin team members"

    The military-industrial complex.

    91.4% Dislikes

    Fox News viewer comments, a small representative sample...

    "Round of applause for the military industrial complex who send our kids to
    die while they get rich."

    "Disgusted by this president cant even help people in our own country. Just more of our tax money wasted on these country's"

    "The current administration needs to help American citizens first, close the southern border, and uphold their oaths and the Constitution. Stop the out
    of control spending! Stop blaming others! Be accountable! Be transparent! Be honest! No wars!"

    "Biden's kickbacks from the military industrial complex."

    "An entire press briefing and not 1 mention of our country's problems thanks Joe for always putting America last"

    "He is "delivering remarks about security assistance" at
    The. Lockheed. Martin. Headquarters.
    Let. That. Sink. In.
    Was the Eisenhower speech about "the military-industrial complex" possibly
    the most prophetic thing that a president has ever said?"

    "All that money should be here securing our own borders"

    Personally, I would be more reserved in bashing our head of state on
    worldwide public forums in front of some people who hate America (many do,
    even those who are faking otherwise for the moment). But I totally agree
    with putting OUR COUNTRY first.

    In that video comment section, try to find a Fox viewer supporting liberal
    and neocon lovebirds...

    THAT HAPPENS WITH EVERY FOX NEWS UPLOAD ABOUT UKRAINE-RUSSIA.

    Never felt so good associating with deplorable Fox News viewers.

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  • From Anthony William Sloman@21:1/5 to John Doe on Wed May 4 00:03:48 2022
    On Wednesday, May 4, 2022 at 3:43:03 PM UTC+10, John Doe wrote:
    whit3rd <whi...@gmail.com> wrote:
    On Tuesday, May 3, 2022 at 4:14:46 AM UTC-7, John Doe wrote:
    David Eather <eatREM...@tpg.com.au> wrote:

    Getting NATO to plan an attack on anybody is as fruitless an exercise as
    herding cats. Hence, an expanding NATO threatens no one.

    NATO countries have attacked LOTS of others since the end of World War II,
    while NATO members cheered them on.

    Name two, this century, that weren't counter-attacks after an assault, nor in response
    to major treaty violations. Planning an attack under NATO auspices is only gonna happen
    if the members believe the mutual defense condition is met.

    Because NATO aggressors do not fly a NATO flag is meaningless.

    So, why is it noteworthy?

    Not a question that John Doe bothered to answer.

    Nothing but parroting propaganda...

    And that... is it your motto?

    The fact NATO countries have invaded many other countries for regime change and what have you since the end of the Cold War is no secret.

    The NATO country involved would be the US, and it didn't do it as a member of NATO.

    They do so with the blessing and encouragement of other NATO countries.


    Some other NATO countries. The US did manage to get UK and Australian support for the invasion of Iraq. The UK does also happen to be a member of NATO, but Australia isn't.

    Not flying a NATO flag during an invasion in no way makes NATO less responsible for its aggression.

    It wasn't NATO aggression, and the NATO command structures didn't have any involvement in the process. NATO - as such - didn't play any part in the process and trying to claim that they were involved because some NATO countries were is pure lunacy,

    Any grown-up should know better than to think that NATO is for defense.

    John Doe isn't remotely grown up, and doesn't have a clue what grown-ups ought to think. He certainly can't do grown-up thinking for himself. Or any kind of thinking worth of the name.

    The only purpose for NATO at this point is to get close enough, like Ukraine being less than 200 miles from Moscow, to mount a first strike against Russia.

    John Doe is the kind of twit who hasn't noticed that intercontinental ballistic missiles make it possible to launch a first strike from half the world away.

    He clearly hasn't got a clue what a "first strike" might look like. He's got even less idea about the kind of first strike that might be worth making - one that could knock out the attacked country's capacity to retaliate (including their ballistic
    missile submarines).

    People who want to exterminate Russia should stop pretending they could care less about Ukraine (that's a big lie).

    Nobody actually wants to exterminate Russia. For start it is a geographical area, which you might want to devastate, but can't actually exterminate. If you wanted to exterminate every citizen of the Russian nation, you would at least have task that that
    might be completed, but nobody sane would be interested in doing that. Destroying the Russian army, and taking over the administration of the nation might be a plausible ambition, but the American invasion of Iraq showed that that it might not be a
    feasible ambition.

    And lots of foreign countries care enough about the Ukraine to send them useful quantities of effective, if largely defensive military weapons. If they want to destroy Russia they'd probably send the Ukraine a lot of tanks, long range missiles and
    bombers, but they seem to settling for long range howitzers to counter attack the long range artillery that Russia is using to demolish Ukranian cities and towns.

    Too many not-quite-grown-up suicidal people in the world...

    It wouldn't help if John Doe were one of them, He might want to kill himself, but it would be surprising if he had the competence to succeed.

    --
    Bill Sloman, Sydney

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  • From whit3rd@21:1/5 to John Doe on Wed May 4 00:50:59 2022
    NATO countries have attacked LOTS of others since the end of World War II, >> while NATO members cheered them on.

    Name two, this century, that weren't counter-attacks after an assault, nor in response
    to major treaty violations. Planning an attack under NATO auspices is only gonna happen
    if the members believe the mutual defense condition is met.

    On Tuesday, May 3, 2022 at 10:43:03 PM UTC-7, John Doe wrote:
    The fact NATO countries have invaded many other countries for regime
    change and what have you since the end of the Cold War is no secret.

    So, do as I ask, and name two. Vague charges are unanswerable,
    and you continue being vague in order to... avoid reasoned discussion.
    What are you afraid of?

    They do so with the blessing and encouragement of other NATO countries.
    Not flying a NATO flag during an invasion in no way makes NATO less responsible for its aggression.

    They meaning who? What form of 'blessing' do you refer to?

    Any grown-up should know better

    ...than to completely flub a simple assignment. But John Doe doesn't know better.

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  • From John Doe@21:1/5 to whit3rd@gmail.com on Wed May 4 09:32:11 2022
    XPost: free.spam

    Too many suicidal people in the world...

    --
    whit3rd <whit3rd@gmail.com> wrote:

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    NATO countries have attacked LOTS of others since the end of World War II,
    while NATO members cheered them on.

    Name two, this century, that weren't counter-attacks after an assault, nor in response
    to major treaty violations. Planning an attack under NATO auspices is only gonna happen
    if the members believe the mutual defense condition is met.

    On Tuesday, May 3, 2022 at 10:43:03 PM UTC-7, John Doe wrote:
    The fact NATO countries have invaded many other countries for regime
    change and what have you since the end of the Cold War is no secret.

    So, do as I ask, and name two. Vague charges are unanswerable,
    and you continue being vague in order to... avoid reasoned discussion.
    What are you afraid of?

    They do so with the blessing and encouragement of other NATO countries.
    Not flying a NATO flag during an invasion in no way makes NATO less
    responsible for its aggression.

    They meaning who? What form of 'blessing' do you refer to?

    Any grown-up should know better

    ...than to completely flub a simple assignment. But John Doe doesn't know better.



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    Bozo cannot even spell his own name...

    --
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    Subject: Re: OT: just a thought (Ukraine)
    From: Anthony William Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org>
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    On Wednesday, May 4, 2022 at 3:43:03 PM UTC+10, John Doe wrote:
    whit3rd <whi...@gmail.com> wrote:
    On Tuesday, May 3, 2022 at 4:14:46 AM UTC-7, John Doe wrote:
    David Eather <eatREM...@tpg.com.au> wrote:

    Getting NATO to plan an attack on anybody is as fruitless an exercis
    e as
    herding cats. Hence, an expanding NATO threatens no one.

    NATO countries have attacked LOTS of others since the end of World War
    II,
    while NATO members cheered them on.

    Name two, this century, that weren't counter-attacks after an assault,
    nor in response
    to major treaty violations. Planning an attack under NATO auspices is o
    nly gonna happen
    if the members believe the mutual defense condition is met.

    Because NATO aggressors do not fly a NATO flag is meaningless.

    So, why is it noteworthy?

    Not a question that John Doe bothered to answer.

    Nothing but parroting propaganda...

    And that... is it your motto?

    The fact NATO countries have invaded many other countries for regime cha
    nge and what have you since the end of the Cold War is no secret.

    The NATO country involved would be the US, and it didn't do it as a member of NATO.

    They do so with the blessing and encouragement of other NATO countries.



    Some other NATO countries. The US did manage to get UK and Australian support for the invasion of Iraq. The UK does also happen to be a member of NATO, but Australia isn't.

    Not flying a NATO flag during an invasion in no way makes NATO less respo
    nsible for its aggression.

    It wasn't NATO aggression, and the NATO command structures didn't have any involvement in the process. NATO - as such - didn't play any part in the process and trying to claim that they were involved because some NATO countries were is pure lunacy,

    Any grown-up should know better than to think that NATO is for defense.


    John Doe isn't remotely grown up, and doesn't have a clue what grown-ups ought to think. He certainly can't do grown-up thinking for himself. Or any kind of thinking worth of the name.

    The only purpose for NATO at this point is to get close enough, like Ukr
    aine being less than 200 miles from Moscow, to mount a first strike against Russia.

    John Doe is the kind of twit who hasn't noticed that intercontinental ballistic missiles make it possible to launch a first strike from half the world away.

    He clearly hasn't got a clue what a "first strike" might look like. He's got even less idea about the kind of first strike that might be worth making - one that could knock out the attacked country's capacity to retaliate (including their ballistic
    missile submarines).

    People who want to exterminate Russia should stop pretending they could
    care less about Ukraine (that's a big lie).

    Nobody actually wants to exterminate Russia. For start it is a geographical area, which you might want to devastate, but can't actually exterminate. If you wanted to exterminate every citizen of the Russian nation, you would at least have task that
    that might be completed, but nobody sane would be interested in doing that. Destroying the Russian army, and taking over the administration of the nation might be a plausible ambition, but the American invasion of Iraq showed that that it might not be a
    feasible ambition.

    And lots of foreign countries care enough about the Ukraine to send them useful quantities of effective, if largely defensive military weapons. If they want to destroy Russia they'd probably send the Ukraine a lot of tanks, long range missiles and
    bombers, but they seem to settling for long range howitzers to counter attack the long range artillery that Russia is using to demolish Ukranian cities and towns.

    Too many not-quite-grown-up suicidal people in the world...

    It wouldn't help if John Doe were one of them, He might want to kill himself, but it would be surprising if he had the competence to succeed.

    --
    Bill Sloman, Sydney



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    Bozo is a Google Groups troll...

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    On Wednesday, May 4, 2022 at 4:34:57 PM UTC+10, John Doe wrote:
    The most recent Fox News video about Ukraine...

    <snip - who cares what Fox News has to say about the Ukraine. It's aimed at idiots like John Doe.>

    In that video comment section, try to find a Fox viewer supporting liberal >> and neocon lovebirds...

    THAT HAPPENS WITH EVERY FOX NEWS UPLOAD ABOUT UKRAINE-RUSSIA.

    Of course it does. If the news is spun to suck in gullible right-wing twits, you get responses from gullible right-wing twits.

    Never felt so good associating with deplorable Fox News viewers.

    No surprise there. John Doe is a deplorable from way back, and glories in it. If you've got it, flaunt it, even though it makes you decidedly repellent.

    There are clinics that treat some social diseases, but chronic Trump supporters avoid them.

    --
    Bill Sloman, Sydney



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  • From John Doe@21:1/5 to Anthony William Sloman on Wed May 4 09:39:00 2022
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    The most recent Fox News video about Ukraine...

    https://youtu.be/OQZ93hY77Qk

    "President Biden delivers remarks on the security assistance we are
    providing to Ukraine"

    https://youtu.be/OQZ93hY77Qk?t=140

    "On behalf of our 114,000 Lockheed Martin team members"

    The military-industrial complex.

    91.4% Dislikes

    Fox News viewer comments, a small representative sample...

    "Round of applause for the military industrial complex who send our kids
    to die while they get rich."

    "Disgusted by this president cant even help people in our own country.
    Just more of our tax money wasted on these country's"

    "The current administration needs to help American citizens first, close
    the southern border, and uphold their oaths and the Constitution. Stop the
    out of control spending! Stop blaming others! Be accountable! Be
    transparent! Be honest! No wars!"

    "Biden's kickbacks from the military industrial complex."

    "An entire press briefing and not 1 mention of our country's problems
    thanks Joe for always putting America last"

    "He is "delivering remarks about security assistance" at
    The. Lockheed. Martin. Headquarters.
    Let. That. Sink. In.
    Was the Eisenhower speech about "the military-industrial complex" possibly
    the most prophetic thing that a president has ever said?"

    "All that money should be here securing our own borders"

    Personally, I would be more reserved in bashing our head of state on
    worldwide public forums in front of some people who hate America (many do,
    even those who are faking otherwise for the moment). But I totally agree
    with putting OUR COUNTRY first.

    In that video comment section, try to find a Fox viewer supporting liberal
    and neocon lovebirds...

    THAT HAPPENS WITH EVERY FOX NEWS UPLOAD ABOUT UKRAINE-RUSSIA.

    Never felt so good associating with deplorable Fox News viewers.


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    On Wednesday, May 4, 2022 at 4:34:57 PM UTC+10, John Doe wrote:
    The most recent Fox News video about Ukraine...

    <snip - who cares what Fox News has to say about the Ukraine. It's aimed at idiots like John Doe.>

    In that video comment section, try to find a Fox viewer supporting liberal >> and neocon lovebirds...

    THAT HAPPENS WITH EVERY FOX NEWS UPLOAD ABOUT UKRAINE-RUSSIA.

    Of course it does. If the news is spun to suck in gullible right-wing twits, you get responses from gullible right-wing twits.

    Never felt so good associating with deplorable Fox News viewers.

    No surprise there. John Doe is a deplorable from way back, and glories in it. If you've got it, flaunt it, even though it makes you decidedly repellent.

    There are clinics that treat some social diseases, but chronic Trump supporters avoid them.

    --
    Bill Sloman, Sydney


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  • From Edward Hernandez@21:1/5 to All on Wed May 4 09:45:37 2022
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    The John Doe troll stated the following in message-id <sdhn7c$pkp$4@dont-email.me>:

    The troll doesn't even know how to format a USENET post...

    And the John Doe troll stated the following in message-id <sg3kr7$qt5$1@dont-email.me>:

    The reason Bozo cannot figure out how to get Google to keep from
    breaking its lines in inappropriate places is because Bozo is
    CLUELESS...

    And yet, the clueless John Doe troll has itself posted yet another
    incorrectly formatted USENET posting on Wed, 4 May 2022 09:31:45 -0000
    (UTC) in message-id <t4th61$eno$3@dont-email.me>.

    Further, John Doe stated the following in message-id <svsh05$lbh$5@dont-email.me> posted Fri, 4 Mar 2022 08:01:09 -0000
    (UTC):

    Compared to other regulars, Bozo contributes practically nothing
    except insults to this group.

    Yet, since Wed, 5 Jan 2022 04:10:38 -0000 (UTC) John Doe's post ratio to
    USENET (**) has been 60.6% of its posts contributing "nothing except
    insults" to USENET.

    ** Since Wed, 5 Jan 2022 04:10:38 -0000 (UTC) John Doe has posted at
    least 1276 articles to USENET. Of which 141 have been pure insults and
    632 have been John Doe "troll format" postings.

    This posting is a public service announcement for any google groups
    readers who happen by to point out that the John Doe troll does not even
    follow the rules it uses to troll other posters.

    +Np3OOu40ppl

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  • From Edward Hernandez@21:1/5 to All on Wed May 4 09:45:41 2022
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    The John Doe troll stated the following in message-id <sdhn7c$pkp$4@dont-email.me>:

    The troll doesn't even know how to format a USENET post...

    And the John Doe troll stated the following in message-id <sg3kr7$qt5$1@dont-email.me>:

    The reason Bozo cannot figure out how to get Google to keep from
    breaking its lines in inappropriate places is because Bozo is
    CLUELESS...

    And yet, the clueless John Doe troll has itself posted yet another
    incorrectly formatted USENET posting on Wed, 4 May 2022 09:32:57 -0000
    (UTC) in message-id <t4th89$eno$5@dont-email.me>.

    Further, John Doe stated the following in message-id <svsh05$lbh$5@dont-email.me> posted Fri, 4 Mar 2022 08:01:09 -0000
    (UTC):

    Compared to other regulars, Bozo contributes practically nothing
    except insults to this group.

    Yet, since Wed, 5 Jan 2022 04:10:38 -0000 (UTC) John Doe's post ratio to
    USENET (**) has been 60.6% of its posts contributing "nothing except
    insults" to USENET.

    ** Since Wed, 5 Jan 2022 04:10:38 -0000 (UTC) John Doe has posted at
    least 1276 articles to USENET. Of which 141 have been pure insults and
    632 have been John Doe "troll format" postings.

    This posting is a public service announcement for any google groups
    readers who happen by to point out that the John Doe troll does not even
    follow the rules it uses to troll other posters.

    M6s9hfF0mNge

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  • From Edward Hernandez@21:1/5 to All on Wed May 4 09:50:04 2022
    XPost: free.spam

    The John Doe troll stated the following in message-id <sdhn7c$pkp$4@dont-email.me>:

    The troll doesn't even know how to format a USENET post...

    And the John Doe troll stated the following in message-id <sg3kr7$qt5$1@dont-email.me>:

    The reason Bozo cannot figure out how to get Google to keep from
    breaking its lines in inappropriate places is because Bozo is
    CLUELESS...

    And yet, the clueless John Doe troll has continued to post incorrectly formatted USENET articles that are devoid of content (latest example on
    Wed, 4 May 2022 09:49:20 -0000 (UTC) in message-id <t4ti70$lki$2@dont-email.me>).

    NOBODY likes the John Doe troll's contentless spam.

    Further, Troll Doe stated the following in message-id <svsh05$lbh$5@dont-email.me> posted Fri, 4 Mar 2022 08:01:09 -0000
    (UTC):

    Compared to other regulars, Bozo contributes practically nothing
    except insults to this group.

    Yet, since Wed, 5 Jan 2022 04:10:38 -0000 (UTC) Troll Doe's post ratio
    to USENET (**) has been 60.8% of its posts contributing "nothing except insults" to USENET.

    ** Since Wed, 5 Jan 2022 04:10:38 -0000 (UTC) Troll Doe has posted at
    least 1285 articles to USENET. Of which 141 have been pure insults and
    640 have been Troll Doe "troll format" postings.

    This posting is a public service announcement for any google groups
    readers who happen by to point out that the John Doe troll does not even
    follow the rules it uses to troll other posters.

    28NdGVkJzN/1

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  • From Edward Hernandez@21:1/5 to All on Wed May 4 09:50:08 2022
    XPost: free.spam

    The John Doe troll stated the following in message-id <sdhn7c$pkp$4@dont-email.me>:

    The troll doesn't even know how to format a USENET post...

    And the John Doe troll stated the following in message-id <sg3kr7$qt5$1@dont-email.me>:

    The reason Bozo cannot figure out how to get Google to keep from
    breaking its lines in inappropriate places is because Bozo is
    CLUELESS...

    And yet, the clueless John Doe troll has itself posted yet another
    incorrectly formatted USENET posting on Wed, 4 May 2022 09:49:41 -0000
    (UTC) in message-id <t4ti7l$lki$4@dont-email.me>.

    Further, Troll Doe stated the following in message-id <svsh05$lbh$5@dont-email.me> posted Fri, 4 Mar 2022 08:01:09 -0000
    (UTC):

    Compared to other regulars, Bozo contributes practically nothing
    except insults to this group.

    Yet, since Wed, 5 Jan 2022 04:10:38 -0000 (UTC) Troll Doe's post ratio
    to USENET (**) has been 60.8% of its posts contributing "nothing except insults" to USENET.

    ** Since Wed, 5 Jan 2022 04:10:38 -0000 (UTC) Troll Doe has posted at
    least 1285 articles to USENET. Of which 141 have been pure insults and
    640 have been Troll Doe "troll format" postings.

    This posting is a public service announcement for any google groups
    readers who happen by to point out that the John Doe troll does not even
    follow the rules it uses to troll other posters.

    V3n7kj/HhhGi

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  • From Anthony William Sloman@21:1/5 to John Doe on Wed May 4 08:25:20 2022
    On Wednesday, May 4, 2022 at 7:31:53 PM UTC+10, John Doe wrote:
    Anthony William Sloman <bill....@ieee.org> wrote:
    On Wednesday, May 4, 2022 at 3:43:03 PM UTC+10, John Doe wrote:
    whit3rd <whi...@gmail.com> wrote:
    On Tuesday, May 3, 2022 at 4:14:46 AM UTC-7, John Doe wrote:
    David Eather <eatREM...@tpg.com.au> wrote:

    <snip>

    The only purpose for NATO at this point is to get close enough, like Ukraine being less than 200 miles from Moscow, to mount a first strike against Russia.

    John Doe is the kind of twit who hasn't noticed that intercontinental ballistic missiles make it possible to launch a first strike from half the world away.

    He clearly hasn't got a clue what a "first strike" might look like. He's got even less idea about the kind of first strike that might be worth making - one that could knock out the attacked country's capacity to retaliate (including their ballistic
    missile submarines).

    People who want to exterminate Russia should stop pretending they could care less about Ukraine (that's a big lie).

    Nobody actually wants to exterminate Russia. For start it is a geographical area, which you might want to devastate, but can't actually exterminate. If you wanted to exterminate every citizen of the Russian nation, you would at least have task that
    that might be completed, but nobody sane would be interested in doing that. Destroying the Russian army, and taking over the administration of the nation might be a plausible ambition, but the American invasion of Iraq has shown that that it might not be
    a feasible ambition.

    And lots of foreign countries care enough about the Ukraine to send them useful quantities of effective, if largely defensive military weapons. If they want to destroy Russia they'd probably send the Ukraine a lot of tanks, long range missiles and
    bombers, but they seem to settling for long range howitzers to counter attack the long range artillery that Russia is using to demolish Ukrainian cities and towns.

    Too many not-quite-grown-up suicidal people in the world...

    It wouldn't help if John Doe were one of them, He might want to kill himself, but it would be surprising if he had the competence to succeed.

    <snipped his response. It didn't have anything to do with this thread, but it did show up the fact that he can't do reasoned responses>

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    Bill Sloman, Sydney

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  • From John Doe@21:1/5 to Anthony William Sloman on Thu May 5 00:18:09 2022
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    Too many suicidal Australian clowns in the world...

    Bozo Bill Sloman, the most frequent troll in this group, is an attention-craving chronic liar who cannot be reasoned with...

    "the user has posted under the same name in other places, so not
    nym-shifting" (Bozo sucks at logic)

    "the Mueller investigation was about Trump only because Trump made it so"
    (Bozo lying)

    "the concepts "male" and "female" are essentially social constructions"
    (Bozo being weird)

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    Subject: Re: OT: just a thought (Ukraine)
    From: Anthony William Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org>
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    On Wednesday, May 4, 2022 at 7:31:53 PM UTC+10, John Doe wrote:
    Anthony William Sloman <bill....@ieee.org> wrote:
    On Wednesday, May 4, 2022 at 3:43:03 PM UTC+10, John Doe wrote:
    whit3rd <whi...@gmail.com> wrote:
    On Tuesday, May 3, 2022 at 4:14:46 AM UTC-7, John Doe wrote:
    David Eather <eatREM...@tpg.com.au> wrote:

    <snip>

    The only purpose for NATO at this point is to get close enough, like U
    kraine being less than 200 miles from Moscow, to mount a first strike against Russia.

    John Doe is the kind of twit who hasn't noticed that intercontinental b
    allistic missiles make it possible to launch a first strike from half the world away.

    He clearly hasn't got a clue what a "first strike" might look like. He'
    s got even less idea about the kind of first strike that might be worth making - one that could knock out the attacked country's capacity to retaliate (including their ballistic missile submarines).

    People who want to exterminate Russia should stop pretending they coul
    d care less about Ukraine (that's a big lie).

    Nobody actually wants to exterminate Russia. For start it is a geograph
    ical area, which you might want to devastate, but can't actually exterminate. If you wanted to exterminate every citizen of the Russian nation, you would at least have task that that might be completed, but nobody sane would be interested in doing that.
    Destroying the Russian army, and taking over the administration of the nation might be a plausible ambition, but the American invasion of Iraq has shown that that it might not be a feasible ambition.

    And lots of foreign countries care enough about the Ukraine to send the
    m useful quantities of effective, if largely defensive military weapons. If they want to destroy Russia they'd probably send the Ukraine a lot of tanks, long range missiles and bombers, but they seem to settling for long range howitzers to counter
    attack the long range artillery that Russia is using to demolish Ukrainian cities and towns.

    Too many not-quite-grown-up suicidal people in the world...

    It wouldn't help if John Doe were one of them, He might want to kill hi
    mself, but it would be surprising if he had the competence to succeed.

    <snipped his response. It didn't have anything to do with this thread, but it did show up the fact that he can't do reasoned responses>

    --
    Bill Sloman, Sydney




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  • From Edward Hernandez@21:1/5 to All on Thu May 5 00:41:38 2022
    XPost: free.spam

    The John Doe troll stated the following in message-id <sdhn7c$pkp$4@dont-email.me>:

    The troll doesn't even know how to format a USENET post...

    And the John Doe troll stated the following in message-id <sg3kr7$qt5$1@dont-email.me>:

    The reason Bozo cannot figure out how to get Google to keep from
    breaking its lines in inappropriate places is because Bozo is
    CLUELESS...

    And yet, the clueless John Doe troll has continued to post incorrectly formatted USENET articles that are devoid of content (latest example on
    Thu, 5 May 2022 00:18:09 -0000 (UTC) in message-id <t4v540$rv5$4@dont-email.me>).

    NOBODY likes the John Doe troll's contentless spam.

    Further, Troll Doe stated the following in message-id <svsh05$lbh$5@dont-email.me> posted Fri, 4 Mar 2022 08:01:09 -0000
    (UTC):

    Compared to other regulars, Bozo contributes practically nothing
    except insults to this group.

    Yet, since Wed, 5 Jan 2022 04:10:38 -0000 (UTC) Troll Doe's post ratio
    to USENET (**) has been 61.1% of its posts contributing "nothing except insults" to USENET.

    ** Since Wed, 5 Jan 2022 04:10:38 -0000 (UTC) Troll Doe has posted at
    least 1297 articles to USENET. Of which 141 have been pure insults and
    652 have been Troll Doe "troll format" postings.

    This posting is a public service announcement for any google groups
    readers who happen by to point out that the John Doe troll does not even
    follow the rules it uses to troll other posters.

    R6s8nGwGizf3

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  • From Edward Hernandez@21:1/5 to All on Thu May 5 02:10:25 2022
    XPost: free.spam

    The John Doe troll stated the following in message-id <sdhn7c$pkp$4@dont-email.me>:

    The troll doesn't even know how to format a USENET post...

    And the John Doe troll stated the following in message-id <sg3kr7$qt5$1@dont-email.me>:

    The reason Bozo cannot figure out how to get Google to keep from
    breaking its lines in inappropriate places is because Bozo is
    CLUELESS...

    And yet, the clueless John Doe troll has continued to post incorrectly formatted USENET articles that are devoid of content (latest example on
    Thu, 5 May 2022 01:34:41 -0000 (UTC) in message-id <t4v9jh$cq0$7@dont-email.me>).

    NOBODY likes the John Doe troll's contentless spam.

    Further, John Doe stated the following in message-id <svsh05$lbh$5@dont-email.me> posted Fri, 4 Mar 2022 08:01:09 -0000
    (UTC):

    Compared to other regulars, Bozo contributes practically nothing
    except insults to this group.

    Yet, since Wed, 5 Jan 2022 04:10:38 -0000 (UTC) John Doe's post ratio to
    USENET (**) has been 61.3% of its posts contributing "nothing except
    insults" to USENET.

    ** Since Wed, 5 Jan 2022 04:10:38 -0000 (UTC) John Doe has posted at
    least 1307 articles to USENET. Of which 141 have been pure insults and
    660 have been John Doe "troll format" postings.

    This posting is a public service announcement for any google groups
    readers who happen by to point out that the John Doe troll does not even
    follow the rules it uses to troll other posters.

    dCt7kXJlpLXX

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  • From Anthony William Sloman@21:1/5 to John Doe on Wed May 4 22:22:47 2022
    On Thursday, May 5, 2022 at 10:18:16 AM UTC+10, John Doe wrote:
    Anthony William Sloman <bill....@ieee.org> wrote:
    On Wednesday, May 4, 2022 at 7:31:53 PM UTC+10, John Doe wrote:
    Anthony William Sloman <bill....@ieee.org> wrote:
    On Wednesday, May 4, 2022 at 3:43:03 PM UTC+10, John Doe wrote:
    whit3rd <whi...@gmail.com> wrote:
    On Tuesday, May 3, 2022 at 4:14:46 AM UTC-7, John Doe wrote:
    David Eather <eatREM...@tpg.com.au> wrote:

    <snip>

    The only purpose for NATO at this point is to get close enough, like U
    kraine being less than 200 miles from Moscow, to mount a first strike against Russia.

    John Doe is the kind of twit who hasn't noticed that intercontinental b
    allistic missiles make it possible to launch a first strike from half the world away.

    He clearly hasn't got a clue what a "first strike" might look like. He'
    s got even less idea about the kind of first strike that might be worth making - one that could knock out the attacked country's capacity to retaliate (including their ballistic missile submarines).

    People who want to exterminate Russia should stop pretending they coul
    d care less about Ukraine (that's a big lie).

    Nobody actually wants to exterminate Russia. For start it is a geograph
    ical area, which you might want to devastate, but can't actually exterminate. If you wanted to exterminate every citizen of the Russian nation, you would at least have task that that might be completed, but nobody sane would be interested in doing
    that. Destroying the Russian army, and taking over the administration of the nation might be a plausible ambition, but the American invasion of Iraq has shown that that it might not be a feasible ambition.

    And lots of foreign countries care enough about the Ukraine to send the
    m useful quantities of effective, if largely defensive military weapons. If they want to destroy Russia they'd probably send the Ukraine a lot of tanks, long range missiles and bombers, but they seem to settling for long range howitzers to counter
    attack the long range artillery that Russia is using to demolish Ukrainian cities and towns.

    Too many not-quite-grown-up suicidal people in the world...

    It wouldn't help if John Doe were one of them, He might want to kill himself, but it would be surprising if he had the competence to succeed.

    <snipped his response. It didn't have anything to do with this thread, but it did show up the fact that he can't do reasoned responses>

    Too many suicidal Australian clowns in the world...

    I'm sure that John Doe would like me to be suicidal and a clown as well as Australian. He will just have to settle for me being just Australian.

    I too could have unrealistic hopes for John Doe - he might grow a brain and get an education - but wishing for it won't make it happen.

    <snipped the recycled elements of his abuse>

    --
    Bill Sloman, Sydney

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  • From David Eather@21:1/5 to Anthony William Sloman on Thu May 5 18:02:10 2022
    On 5/05/2022 1:25 am, Anthony William Sloman wrote:
    On Wednesday, May 4, 2022 at 7:31:53 PM UTC+10, John Doe wrote:
    Anthony William Sloman <bill....@ieee.org> wrote:
    On Wednesday, May 4, 2022 at 3:43:03 PM UTC+10, John Doe wrote:
    whit3rd <whi...@gmail.com> wrote:
    On Tuesday, May 3, 2022 at 4:14:46 AM UTC-7, John Doe wrote:
    David Eather <eatREM...@tpg.com.au> wrote:

    <snip>

    The only purpose for NATO at this point is to get close enough, like Ukraine being less than 200 miles from Moscow, to mount a first strike against Russia.

    John Doe is the kind of twit who hasn't noticed that intercontinental ballistic missiles make it possible to launch a first strike from half the world away.

    He clearly hasn't got a clue what a "first strike" might look like. He's got even less idea about the kind of first strike that might be worth making - one that could knock out the attacked country's capacity to retaliate (including their ballistic
    missile submarines).

    People who want to exterminate Russia should stop pretending they could care less about Ukraine (that's a big lie).

    Nobody actually wants to exterminate Russia. For start it is a geographical area, which you might want to devastate, but can't actually exterminate. If you wanted to exterminate every citizen of the Russian nation, you would at least have task that
    that might be completed, but nobody sane would be interested in doing that. Destroying the Russian army, and taking over the administration of the nation might be a plausible ambition, but the American invasion of Iraq has shown that that it might not be
    a feasible ambition.

    And lots of foreign countries care enough about the Ukraine to send them useful quantities of effective, if largely defensive military weapons. If they want to destroy Russia they'd probably send the Ukraine a lot of tanks, long range missiles and
    bombers, but they seem to settling for long range howitzers to counter attack the long range artillery that Russia is using to demolish Ukrainian cities and towns.

    Too many not-quite-grown-up suicidal people in the world...

    It wouldn't help if John Doe were one of them, He might want to kill himself, but it would be surprising if he had the competence to succeed.

    <snipped his response. It didn't have anything to do with this thread, but it did show up the fact that he can't do reasoned responses>


    Maybe it is like there is no defense for the indefensible so he'll just
    throw mud an lies and hope no one notices?

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  • From John Doe@21:1/5 to Anthony William Sloman on Thu May 5 08:05:11 2022
    XPost: free.spam

    Too many suicidal Australian clown stalker trolls in the world...

    Bozo Bill Sloman, the most frequent troll in this group, is an attention-craving chronic liar who cannot be reasoned with...

    "the user has posted under the same name in other places, so not
    nym-shifting" (Bozo sucks at logic)

    "the Mueller investigation was about Trump only because Trump made it so"
    (Bozo lying)

    "the concepts "male" and "female" are essentially social constructions"
    (Bozo being weird)

    --
    Anthony William Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> wrote:

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    Subject: Re: OT: just a thought (Ukraine)
    From: Anthony William Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org>
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    On Thursday, May 5, 2022 at 10:18:16 AM UTC+10, John Doe wrote:
    Anthony William Sloman <bill....@ieee.org> wrote:
    On Wednesday, May 4, 2022 at 7:31:53 PM UTC+10, John Doe wrote:
    Anthony William Sloman <bill....@ieee.org> wrote:
    On Wednesday, May 4, 2022 at 3:43:03 PM UTC+10, John Doe wrote:
    whit3rd <whi...@gmail.com> wrote:
    On Tuesday, May 3, 2022 at 4:14:46 AM UTC-7, John Doe wrote:
    David Eather <eatREM...@tpg.com.au> wrote:

    <snip>

    The only purpose for NATO at this point is to get close enough, lik
    e U
    kraine being less than 200 miles from Moscow, to mount a first strike a
    gainst Russia.

    John Doe is the kind of twit who hasn't noticed that intercontinenta
    l b
    allistic missiles make it possible to launch a first strike from half t
    he world away.

    He clearly hasn't got a clue what a "first strike" might look like.
    He'
    s got even less idea about the kind of first strike that might be worth
    making - one that could knock out the attacked country's capacity to retaliate (including their ballistic missile submarines).

    People who want to exterminate Russia should stop pretending they c
    oul
    d care less about Ukraine (that's a big lie).

    Nobody actually wants to exterminate Russia. For start it is a geogr
    aph
    ical area, which you might want to devastate, but can't actually exterm
    inate. If you wanted to exterminate every citizen of the Russian nation, you would at least have task that that might be completed, but nobody sane would be interested in doing that. Destroying the Russian army, and taking over the administration of
    the nation might be a plausible ambition, but the American invasion of Iraq has shown that that it might not be a feasible ambition.

    And lots of foreign countries care enough about the Ukraine to send
    the
    m useful quantities of effective, if largely defensive military weapons
    . If they want to destroy Russia they'd probably send the Ukraine a lot of tanks, long range missiles and bombers, but they seem to settling for long range howitzers to counter attack the long range artillery that Russia is using to demolish Ukrainian
    cities and towns.

    Too many not-quite-grown-up suicidal people in the world...

    It wouldn't help if John Doe were one of them, He might want to kill
    himself, but it would be surprising if he had the competence to succeed.

    <snipped his response. It didn't have anything to do with this thread,
    but it did show up the fact that he can't do reasoned responses>

    Too many suicidal Australian clowns in the world...

    I'm sure that John Doe would like me to be suicidal and a clown as well as Australian. He will just have to settle for me being just Australian.

    I too could have unrealistic hopes for John Doe - he might grow a brain and get an education - but wishing for it won't make it happen.

    <snipped the recycled elements of his abuse>

    --
    Bill Sloman, Sydney




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  • From Edward Hernandez@21:1/5 to All on Thu May 5 08:06:07 2022
    XPost: free.spam

    The John Doe troll stated the following in message-id <sdhn7c$pkp$4@dont-email.me>:

    The troll doesn't even know how to format a USENET post...

    And the John Doe troll stated the following in message-id <sg3kr7$qt5$1@dont-email.me>:

    The reason Bozo cannot figure out how to get Google to keep from
    breaking its lines in inappropriate places is because Bozo is
    CLUELESS...

    And yet, the clueless John Doe troll has continued to post incorrectly formatted USENET articles that are devoid of content (latest example on
    Thu, 5 May 2022 08:05:11 -0000 (UTC) in message-id <t500fm$hrq$4@dont-email.me>).

    NOBODY likes the John Doe troll's contentless spam.

    Further, Troll Doe stated the following in message-id <svsh05$lbh$5@dont-email.me> posted Fri, 4 Mar 2022 08:01:09 -0000
    (UTC):

    Compared to other regulars, Bozo contributes practically nothing
    except insults to this group.

    Yet, since Wed, 5 Jan 2022 04:10:38 -0000 (UTC) Troll Doe's post ratio
    to USENET (**) has been 61.7% of its posts contributing "nothing except insults" to USENET.

    ** Since Wed, 5 Jan 2022 04:10:38 -0000 (UTC) Troll Doe has posted at
    least 1325 articles to USENET. Of which 141 have been pure insults and
    676 have been Troll Doe "troll format" postings.

    This posting is a public service announcement for any google groups
    readers who happen by to point out that the John Doe troll does not even
    follow the rules it uses to troll other posters.

    uKaxK4p8iVf+

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  • From Edward Hernandez@21:1/5 to All on Thu May 5 08:10:31 2022
    XPost: free.spam

    The John Doe troll stated the following in message-id <sdhn7c$pkp$4@dont-email.me>:

    The troll doesn't even know how to format a USENET post...

    And the John Doe troll stated the following in message-id <sg3kr7$qt5$1@dont-email.me>:

    The reason Bozo cannot figure out how to get Google to keep from
    breaking its lines in inappropriate places is because Bozo is
    CLUELESS...

    And yet, the clueless John Doe troll has itself posted yet another
    incorrectly formatted USENET posting on Thu, 5 May 2022 08:09:31 -0000
    (UTC) in message-id <t500nr$hrq$7@dont-email.me>.

    Further, John Doe stated the following in message-id <svsh05$lbh$5@dont-email.me> posted Fri, 4 Mar 2022 08:01:09 -0000
    (UTC):

    Compared to other regulars, Bozo contributes practically nothing
    except insults to this group.

    Yet, since Wed, 5 Jan 2022 04:10:38 -0000 (UTC) John Doe's post ratio to
    USENET (**) has been 61.8% of its posts contributing "nothing except
    insults" to USENET.

    ** Since Wed, 5 Jan 2022 04:10:38 -0000 (UTC) John Doe has posted at
    least 1329 articles to USENET. Of which 141 have been pure insults and
    680 have been John Doe "troll format" postings.

    AxbMHUmHfEPu

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