• Russian collapse

    From Don Y@21:1/5 to All on Sat Apr 23 15:00:10 2022
    Perhaps, like all politicians, Putin knows The Inevitable and is
    looking for a distraction to stave it off -- for as long as possible?

    For a sampling (many hits):

    <https://www.eurointegration.com.ua/eng/news/2022/04/7/7137384/>

    <https://www.yahoo.com/news/russia-facing-outright-defeat-sudden-041309456.html>

    <https://www.newsweek.com/china-fears-russia-collapse-ukraine-taiwan-foreign-minister-joseph-wu-1693195>

    <https://www.aljazeera.com/opinions/2022/3/4/russias-looming-economic-crisis-will-be-worse-than-1991>

    <https://www.newconservativepost.com/2022/03/is-russia-on-the-brink-of-collapse/>

    "The worst appears yet to come from Putin’s confusion of Russia, which
    had a GDP the size of Texas before the war, with the former Russian Empire
    from 100 years ago. As has been noted, “even before the invasion, Russia’s economic capabilities were hardly capable of sustaining an empire. Now, with foreign sanctions presiding over a plummeting Russian ruble, Russia’s economic
    standing has fallen further still. If measured at today’s exchange rates, Russia’s economy would be the 22nd largest in the world, with a gross domestic
    product (GDP) not much larger than the state of Ohio’s.” How do you say “Mississippi, here we come!” in Russian?"

    And we know EVERYONE aspires to emulate Mississippi! Even Alabama!

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  • From John Doe@21:1/5 to All on Sun Apr 24 01:26:06 2022
    Lots of propaganda, most of it before Russia demanded rubles for its gas exports. Europe submitted to Russia's rubles for gas demand, and now the
    ruble is higher than its prewar level.

    Lots of silly predictions in Newsweek and other mainstream media. World renowned diplomats have predicted the disaster Ukraine has become, spurred
    by NATO expansion to Russia's border countries. But who needs history,
    clowns in the mainstream media is the best place for information!

    Only neocons and liberals are for arming Ukraine. The rest of us Americans
    are for defending our own borders. We didn't even know what Ukraine was
    before the war, except "10% for the big guy" and an old Beatles song.

    It's a circus. Support for Ukraine is inversely proportional to support
    for Donald Trump. Everybody who is fawning over Ukraine, as if it were The
    Holy Land, hates Donald Trump. It's no coincidence that Ukrainian
    officials and media worked HARD for the New World Order and to defeat
    Trump in 2016. All sorts of fun stuff, possibly that, coming up in the
    John Durham report.

    The likelihood of major Durham indictments is much greater. Rodney Joffe
    might be spending the last part of his life in prison.

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  • From Anthony William Sloman@21:1/5 to John Doe on Sat Apr 23 20:28:35 2022
    On Sunday, April 24, 2022 at 11:26:13 AM UTC+10, John Doe wrote:
    Lots of propaganda, most of it before Russia demanded rubles for its gas exports. Europe submitted to Russia's rubles for gas demand, and now the ruble is higher than its prewar level.

    Lots of silly predictions in Newsweek and other mainstream media. World renowned diplomats have predicted the disaster Ukraine has become, spurred by NATO expansion to Russia's border countries. But who needs history, clowns in the mainstream media is the best place for information!

    Only neocons and liberals are for arming Ukraine. The rest of us Americans are for defending our own borders.

    All three of you.

    We didn't even know what Ukraine was before the war, except "10% for the big guy" and an old Beatles song.

    Chernobyl had got a lot of attention, but not from the likes of John Doe. And Donald Trump got impeached for trying to pressure Zelensky into setting up a bogus investigation into the Bidens.
    John Doe's attention is "selective" to the point where he looks like a one-eyed Trump fan.

    It's a circus. Support for Ukraine is inversely proportional to support for Donald Trump. Everybody who is fawning over Ukraine, as if it were The Holy Land, hates Donald Trump.

    And every last one of them is a figment of John Doe's fertile imagination. Nobody sane confuses the Ukraine with any kind of Holy Land, or goes to the trouble of hating somebody as ineffectual as Donald Trump - he is despicable, but not worth hating.

    It's no coincidence that Ukrainian officials and media worked HARD for the New World Order and to defeat Trump in 2016. All sorts of fun stuff, possibly that, coming up in the John Durham report.

    The various figments of John Doe's imagination work hard to look as if they are part of a coherent picture. Sadly, the picture they paint is of a rusted-on Trump supporter with no connection with objective reality.

    The likelihood of major Durham indictments is much greater. Rodney Joffe might be spending the last part of his life in prison.

    The likelihood of a major Durham indictment is nonexistent. The whole process was a sop to Trump, and he's now out of power. Durham is still going through the motions, but he's emphasising the absurdity of the whole deal in the hope of getting it thrown
    out as fast as possible. Since his deliberate absurdities are the sort of far-fetched nonsense that are catnip to conspiracy theory lunatics like John Doe and Cursitor Doom, they think that it is Christmas.

    --
    Bill Sloman, Sydney

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  • From John Doe@21:1/5 to All on Sun Apr 24 06:57:05 2022
    The most recent 2 Fox News videos (linked to below) about Ukraine
    illustrate how far out of touch Washington and the media is with their
    main constituents. Their only support for more war comes from neocons and liberals.

    Laura Ingraham presented a theory that it was neocons fault because they rebranded themselves as Donald Trump haters and that appeals to liberals.

    At the same time... The military-industrial complex puppetmaster's hands
    have moved to Democrats because mainstream Republicans have abandoned
    their imperialistic warmongering. Almost all the media loves war...



    https://youtu.be/yMpKbtAVqz0

    "Ukraine can defeat Russian army..."

    That has 80.9% Dislikes, and the top-rated comment is...

    "She [Senator Joni Ernst] should have gone to the southern border to see
    how we are getting invaded."


    https://youtu.be/UKYSStTiPNI

    Zelensky claiming "Blinken and Austin to visit Kyiv on Sunday".

    That has 66.7% Dislikes, and the top-rated comment is...

    "Austin and Blinken should stay there!"

    Why on Earth would the idiot leader of Ukraine broadcast our leaders' plan
    to be in Ukraine? Are there any grown-ups in the house?

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  • From John Doe@21:1/5 to All on Sun Apr 24 06:16:35 2022
    Darnit Bozo! Now "Don Y" will pretend he just saw my scary post and blame
    you for his inability to ignore a thread branch.


    Bozo Bill Sloman, the most frequent troll in this group, is an attention-craving chronic liar who cannot be reasoned with...

    "the user has posted under the same name in other places, so not
    nym-shifting" (Bozo sucks at logic)

    "the Mueller investigation was about Trump only because Trump made it so"
    (Bozo lying)

    "the concepts "male" and "female" are essentially social constructions"
    (Bozo being weird)

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  • From John Doe@21:1/5 to All on Sun Apr 24 08:04:39 2022
    https://english.alarabiya.net/News/world/2022/04/23/Top-US-diplomat-defense-secretary-to-visit-to-Kyiv-on-Sunday-Zelenskyy-says

    Zelenskyy doesn't really know what day, but he's convinced American
    diplomats will be visiting Ukraine, very soon.

    The idiot needs to HUMBLE himself and stop Ukrainians from suffering. Personally, it's probably too late for him, so he doesn't care. Maybe his gorgeous (soon-to-be ex) wife is driving it. Should have had a prenuptial agreement.










    I wrote:

    The most recent 2 Fox News videos (linked to below) about Ukraine
    illustrate how far out of touch Washington and the media is with their
    main constituents. Their only support for more war comes from neocons and liberals.

    Laura Ingraham presented a theory that it was neocons fault because they rebranded themselves as Donald Trump haters and that appeals to liberals.

    At the same time... The military-industrial complex puppetmaster's hands
    have moved to Democrats because mainstream Republicans have abandoned
    their imperialistic warmongering. Almost all the media loves war...



    https://youtu.be/yMpKbtAVqz0

    "Ukraine can defeat Russian army..."

    That has 80.9% Dislikes, and the top-rated comment is...

    "She [Senator Joni Ernst] should have gone to the southern border to see
    how we are getting invaded."


    https://youtu.be/UKYSStTiPNI

    Zelensky claiming "Blinken and Austin to visit Kyiv on Sunday".

    That has 66.7% Dislikes, and the top-rated comment is...

    "Austin and Blinken should stay there!"

    Why on Earth would the idiot leader of Ukraine broadcast our leaders' plan
    to be in Ukraine? Are there any grown-ups in the house?

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  • From Cursitor Doom@21:1/5 to always.look@message.header on Sun Apr 24 09:35:41 2022
    On Sun, 24 Apr 2022 01:26:06 -0000 (UTC), John Doe
    <always.look@message.header> wrote:

    Lots of propaganda, most of it before Russia demanded rubles for its gas >exports. Europe submitted to Russia's rubles for gas demand, and now the >ruble is higher than its prewar level.

    Lots of silly predictions in Newsweek and other mainstream media. World >renowned diplomats have predicted the disaster Ukraine has become, spurred
    by NATO expansion to Russia's border countries.

    THAT is the core of the problem. We reneged on all the assurances we
    gave Russia after the USSR collapsed 30 years ago. Putin is now forced
    to act to prevent himself ending up in the exact same position as Jack
    Kennedy in the US back in '62 and only a brainwashed fool would be
    unable to understand that simple concept.

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  • From Anthony William Sloman@21:1/5 to John Doe on Sun Apr 24 01:32:09 2022
    On Sunday, April 24, 2022 at 4:57:11 PM UTC+10, John Doe wrote:
    The most recent 2 Fox News videos (linked to below) about Ukraine
    illustrate how far out of touch Washington and the media is with their
    main constituents. Their only support for more war comes from neocons and liberals.

    Fox News does cater for the lunatic right, and John Doe is part of the lunatic fringe of the lunatic right.

    "Neocons and liberals" is John Doe's derogatory term for the rational majority, who find Fox News a trifle ridiculous.

    Laura Ingraham presented a theory that it was neocons fault because they rebranded themselves as Donald Trump haters and that appeals to liberals.

    Nobody sane could be bothered to hate Donald Trump. He's despicable, but ineffective, not worth elevating to the status of a hateful object. John Doe does seem to take him seriously, but that's the lunatic fringe for you.

    At the same time... The military-industrial complex puppet-master's hands have moved to Democrats because mainstream Republicans have abandoned
    their imperialistic warmongering. Almost all the media loves war...

    John Doe does like his bizarre fantasies. Military-industrial complex puppet-masters yet. Simple lunacy dressed up in long words.

    <snipped most of the nonsense>

    Zelensky claiming "Blinken and Austin to visit Kyiv on Sunday".

    That has 66.7% Dislikes, and the top-rated comment is...

    "Austin and Blinken should stay there!"

    Fox News supporters aren't a complicated or sophisticated lot. John Doe might be at the extreme of simple-minded and dim, but Muroch has worked out that it is cheaper to built an audience out of dim halfwits than it is to spend more to attract people
    with more sense and money. If your advertisers are selling cheap rubbish to dimwits, getting a bigger - necessarily more sophisticated - audience isn't cost-effective

    Why on Earth would the idiot leader of Ukraine broadcast our leaders' plan to be in Ukraine? Are there any grown-ups in the house?

    He's clearly publicising every contact he has with powerful people in the west. It encourages his electorate with the idea that they are getting some western support.

    Managing the mood of your supporters is something that grown-up politicians do. John Doe is too stupid to understand anything that complicated. He wouldn't be watching Fox News if he wasn't that dim.

    --
    Bill Sloman, Sydney

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  • From Anthony William Sloman@21:1/5 to John Doe on Sun Apr 24 01:46:00 2022
    On Sunday, April 24, 2022 at 6:04:45 PM UTC+10, John Doe wrote:
    I wrote:

    The most recent 2 Fox News videos (linked to below) about Ukraine illustrate how far out of touch Washington and the media is with their main constituents.

    <snipped John Doe taking Fox News seriously. They may appear to share some of John Doe's delusions, but in fact they are cynically pandering to an audience which is dim enough to buy the rubbish their advertisers are selling>

    Zelenskyy doesn't really know what day, but he's convinced American diplomats will be visiting Ukraine, very soon.

    Probably correctly. Making it more difficult for the Russians to "accidentally" shoot their plane down might come into that.

    The idiot needs to HUMBLE himself and stop Ukrainians from suffering.

    John Doe needs to humble himself, and realise that no amount of humility would make Putin happy. Nothing short of absolute obedience would serve.

    Personally, it's probably too late for him, so he doesn't care. Maybe his gorgeous (soon-to-be ex) wife is driving it. Should have had a prenuptial agreement.

    Not being as susceptible to Putin's propaganda as John Doe is, Zelensky may have a more realistic idea of his likely fate. It might include getting honoured as the guy who allowed Putin to shoot himself in the foot. Russia is revising the extent of the
    glorious military victory they are aiming for. The humiliating defeat they are likely to end up with isn't yet being mentioned.

    --
    Bill Sloman, Sydney

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  • From Anthony William Sloman@21:1/5 to Cursitor Doom on Sun Apr 24 01:59:03 2022
    On Sunday, April 24, 2022 at 6:35:48 PM UTC+10, Cursitor Doom wrote:
    On Sun, 24 Apr 2022 01:26:06 -0000 (UTC), John Doe
    <alway...@message.header> wrote:

    Lots of propaganda, most of it before Russia demanded rubles for its gas >exports. Europe submitted to Russia's rubles for gas demand, and now the >ruble is higher than its prewar level.

    Lots of silly predictions in Newsweek and other mainstream media. World >renowned diplomats have predicted the disaster Ukraine has become, spurred >by NATO expansion to Russia's border countries.
    THAT is the core of the problem. We reneged on all the assurances we
    gave Russia after the USSR collapsed 30 years ago.

    Nobody gave Russia any "assurances" after the USSR collapsed. They were a basket case, and the west cheap-skated out of doing anything significant to get them back on their feet. It was an expensive mistake.

    Putin is now forced to act to prevent himself ending up in the exact same position as Jack Kennedy in the US back in '62 and only a brainwashed fool would be unable to understand that simple concept.

    Nobody was planning on stationing intermediate range nuclear ballistic missiles (IRBMs) in the Ukraine. For one thing, we got intercontinental ballistic missiles (ICBMs) after 1962, and there's no longer much point in spreading IRBMs around.

    Putin is acting badly because he needs to look like a strong leader, rather than a kleptocrat ripping off his own country. Patriotism is the last refuge of a scoundrel, and Putin is clearly a scoundrel.

    Swallowing his propaganda identifies you as gullible twit, but we knew that anyway.

    --
    Bill Sloman, Sydney

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  • From Ed Lee@21:1/5 to Cursitor Doom on Sun Apr 24 08:41:01 2022
    On Sunday, April 24, 2022 at 1:35:48 AM UTC-7, Cursitor Doom wrote:
    On Sun, 24 Apr 2022 01:26:06 -0000 (UTC), John Doe
    <alway...@message.header> wrote:

    Lots of propaganda, most of it before Russia demanded rubles for its gas >exports. Europe submitted to Russia's rubles for gas demand, and now the >ruble is higher than its prewar level.

    Lots of silly predictions in Newsweek and other mainstream media. World >renowned diplomats have predicted the disaster Ukraine has become, spurred >by NATO expansion to Russia's border countries.
    THAT is the core of the problem. We reneged on all the assurances we
    gave Russia after the USSR collapsed 30 years ago.

    Political promises from politicians here and there. No treaty was signed whatever to assure Russia.

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  • From Cursitor Doom@21:1/5 to edward.ming.lee@gmail.com on Sun Apr 24 17:55:48 2022
    On Sun, 24 Apr 2022 08:41:01 -0700 (PDT), Ed Lee
    <edward.ming.lee@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Sunday, April 24, 2022 at 1:35:48 AM UTC-7, Cursitor Doom wrote:
    On Sun, 24 Apr 2022 01:26:06 -0000 (UTC), John Doe
    <alway...@message.header> wrote:

    Lots of propaganda, most of it before Russia demanded rubles for its gas
    exports. Europe submitted to Russia's rubles for gas demand, and now the
    ruble is higher than its prewar level.

    Lots of silly predictions in Newsweek and other mainstream media. World
    renowned diplomats have predicted the disaster Ukraine has become, spurred >> >by NATO expansion to Russia's border countries.
    THAT is the core of the problem. We reneged on all the assurances we
    gave Russia after the USSR collapsed 30 years ago.

    Political promises from politicians here and there. No treaty was signed whatever to assure Russia.

    Are you suggesting our politicians can't be trusted to keep their
    word?
    <chortle!>
    Joking aside, the fact is we broke those undertakiings and that is why
    we are where we are now: looking at yet another war - and one which
    could go nuclear at that.

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  • From Ed Lee@21:1/5 to Cursitor Doom on Sun Apr 24 10:19:40 2022
    On Sunday, April 24, 2022 at 9:55:57 AM UTC-7, Cursitor Doom wrote:
    On Sun, 24 Apr 2022 08:41:01 -0700 (PDT), Ed Lee
    <edward....@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Sunday, April 24, 2022 at 1:35:48 AM UTC-7, Cursitor Doom wrote:
    On Sun, 24 Apr 2022 01:26:06 -0000 (UTC), John Doe
    <alway...@message.header> wrote:

    Lots of propaganda, most of it before Russia demanded rubles for its gas >> >exports. Europe submitted to Russia's rubles for gas demand, and now the >> >ruble is higher than its prewar level.

    Lots of silly predictions in Newsweek and other mainstream media. World >> >renowned diplomats have predicted the disaster Ukraine has become, spurred
    by NATO expansion to Russia's border countries.
    THAT is the core of the problem. We reneged on all the assurances we
    gave Russia after the USSR collapsed 30 years ago.

    Political promises from politicians here and there. No treaty was signed whatever to assure Russia.
    Are you suggesting our politicians can't be trusted to keep their
    word?

    Politicians represent themselves with promises, only signed and verified treaties are bounded to the countries.

    <chortle!>
    Joking aside, the fact is we broke those undertakiings and that is why
    we are where we are now: looking at yet another war - and one which
    could go nuclear at that.

    NATO or not. Russia goal is to control the entire Black Sea north coast all the way to Moldova. Ukraine needs to send them more Neptunes. Without their Black Sea Fleet, perhaps Russians would go home.

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  • From jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com@21:1/5 to All on Sun Apr 24 10:40:36 2022
    On Sun, 24 Apr 2022 09:35:41 +0100, Cursitor Doom <cd@notformail.com>
    wrote:

    On Sun, 24 Apr 2022 01:26:06 -0000 (UTC), John Doe ><always.look@message.header> wrote:

    Lots of propaganda, most of it before Russia demanded rubles for its gas >>exports. Europe submitted to Russia's rubles for gas demand, and now the >>ruble is higher than its prewar level.

    Lots of silly predictions in Newsweek and other mainstream media. World >>renowned diplomats have predicted the disaster Ukraine has become, spurred >>by NATO expansion to Russia's border countries.

    THAT is the core of the problem. We reneged on all the assurances we
    gave Russia after the USSR collapsed 30 years ago.

    What were those?

    And what's wrong with NATO? It's an agreement that if small countries
    are attacked, they will support one another.



    --

    I yam what I yam - Popeye

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  • From whit3rd@21:1/5 to John Doe on Sun Apr 24 12:15:27 2022
    On Saturday, April 23, 2022 at 6:26:13 PM UTC-7, John Doe wrote:

    Only neocons and liberals are for arming Ukraine. The rest of us Americans ...

    You left out Nazis! So much propoganda, it's hard to keep it straight. John Doe isn't trying.

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  • From bitrex@21:1/5 to John Doe on Sun Apr 24 16:06:58 2022
    On 4/23/2022 9:26 PM, John Doe wrote:
    Lots of propaganda, most of it before Russia demanded rubles for its gas exports. Europe submitted to Russia's rubles for gas demand, and now the ruble is higher than its prewar level.

    Lots of silly predictions in Newsweek and other mainstream media. World renowned diplomats have predicted the disaster Ukraine has become, spurred
    by NATO expansion to Russia's border countries. But who needs history,
    clowns in the mainstream media is the best place for information!

    Only neocons and liberals are for arming Ukraine. The rest of us Americans are for defending our own borders. We didn't even know what Ukraine was before the war, except "10% for the big guy" and an old Beatles song.

    It's a circus. Support for Ukraine is inversely proportional to support
    for Donald Trump. Everybody who is fawning over Ukraine, as if it were The Holy Land, hates Donald Trump. It's no coincidence that Ukrainian
    officials and media worked HARD for the New World Order and to defeat
    Trump in 2016. All sorts of fun stuff, possibly that, coming up in the
    John Durham report.

    The likelihood of major Durham indictments is much greater. Rodney Joffe might be spending the last part of his life in prison.

    No, the list of people who hate Donald Trump is a lot longer than that

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  • From bitrex@21:1/5 to Anthony William Sloman on Sun Apr 24 16:13:05 2022
    On 4/24/2022 4:46 AM, Anthony William Sloman wrote:
    On Sunday, April 24, 2022 at 6:04:45 PM UTC+10, John Doe wrote:
    I wrote:

    The most recent 2 Fox News videos (linked to below) about Ukraine
    illustrate how far out of touch Washington and the media is with their
    main constituents.

    <snipped John Doe taking Fox News seriously. They may appear to share some of John Doe's delusions, but in fact they are cynically pandering to an audience which is dim enough to buy the rubbish their advertisers are selling>

    Zelenskyy doesn't really know what day, but he's convinced American diplomats will be visiting Ukraine, very soon.

    Probably correctly. Making it more difficult for the Russians to "accidentally" shoot their plane down might come into that.

    The idiot needs to HUMBLE himself and stop Ukrainians from suffering.

    John Doe needs to humble himself, and realise that no amount of humility would make Putin happy. Nothing short of absolute obedience would serve.

    Doe mistakes anyone unwilling to humble themselves in front of washed-up
    US game show hosts and Russia for "fawning over Ukraine", nuance isn't
    his strong point.

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  • From bitrex@21:1/5 to bitrex on Sun Apr 24 16:24:59 2022
    On 4/24/2022 4:19 PM, bitrex wrote:
    On 4/24/2022 4:04 AM, John Doe wrote:
    https://english.alarabiya.net/News/world/2022/04/23/Top-US-diplomat-defense-secretary-to-visit-to-Kyiv-on-Sunday-Zelenskyy-says


    Zelenskyy doesn't really know what day, but he's convinced American
    diplomats will be visiting Ukraine, very soon.

    The idiot needs to HUMBLE himself and stop Ukrainians from suffering.
    Personally, it's probably too late for him, so he doesn't care. Maybe his
    gorgeous (soon-to-be ex) wife is driving it. Should have had a prenuptial
    agreement.

    Lol be humble for what, a Vladimir Putin and a washed-up game show host
    named Donald Trump?

    They've both been showed out for the impotent toads they are. Can't say
    what the Ukraine

    Excuse me, "Ukraine." Force of habit, must be all those Stalinist
    teachers I had, lol

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  • From bitrex@21:1/5 to John Doe on Sun Apr 24 16:19:37 2022
    On 4/24/2022 4:04 AM, John Doe wrote:
    https://english.alarabiya.net/News/world/2022/04/23/Top-US-diplomat-defense-secretary-to-visit-to-Kyiv-on-Sunday-Zelenskyy-says

    Zelenskyy doesn't really know what day, but he's convinced American
    diplomats will be visiting Ukraine, very soon.

    The idiot needs to HUMBLE himself and stop Ukrainians from suffering. Personally, it's probably too late for him, so he doesn't care. Maybe his gorgeous (soon-to-be ex) wife is driving it. Should have had a prenuptial agreement.

    Lol be humble for what, a Vladimir Putin and a washed-up game show host
    named Donald Trump?

    They've both been showed out for the impotent toads they are. Can't say
    what the Ukraine will do exactly and it's not my business, but the left
    in both the US and Russia should take the opportunity to crush these
    idiots and their fan clubs forever, I love our chances.

    Ah, looks like Marine Le Pen got stomped in France, too, I love it. Get
    fuckin' wrecked fashie fucks.

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  • From jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com@21:1/5 to blockedofcourse@foo.invalid on Sun Apr 24 14:21:40 2022
    On Sat, 23 Apr 2022 15:00:10 -0700, Don Y
    <blockedofcourse@foo.invalid> wrote:

    Perhaps, like all politicians, Putin knows The Inevitable and is
    looking for a distraction to stave it off -- for as long as possible?

    For a sampling (many hits):

    <https://www.eurointegration.com.ua/eng/news/2022/04/7/7137384/>

    <https://www.yahoo.com/news/russia-facing-outright-defeat-sudden-041309456.html>

    <https://www.newsweek.com/china-fears-russia-collapse-ukraine-taiwan-foreign-minister-joseph-wu-1693195>

    <https://www.aljazeera.com/opinions/2022/3/4/russias-looming-economic-crisis-will-be-worse-than-1991>

    <https://www.newconservativepost.com/2022/03/is-russia-on-the-brink-of-collapse/>

    "The worst appears yet to come from Putins confusion of Russia, which
    had a GDP the size of Texas before the war, with the former Russian Empire >from 100 years ago. As has been noted, even before the invasion, Russias >economic capabilities were hardly capable of sustaining an empire. Now, with >foreign sanctions presiding over a plummeting Russian ruble, Russias economic >standing has fallen further still. If measured at todays exchange rates, >Russias economy would be the 22nd largest in the world, with a gross domestic >product (GDP) not much larger than the state of Ohios. How do you say >Mississippi, here we come! in Russian?"

    And we know EVERYONE aspires to emulate Mississippi! Even Alabama!

    They don't seem to do anything very well.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sewhe0DqVao



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    I yam what I yam - Popeye

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  • From Mike Monett@21:1/5 to jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com on Mon Apr 25 00:11:30 2022
    jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:

    [...]

    They don't seem to do anything very well.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sewhe0DqVao

    Their fighter planes and helicopters seem pretty good, but the navy lacks discipline, training, and suffers from poor engineering. As well as the Kursk and serious nuclear sub accidents, we have the Moskva:

    Understanding the sinking of the Moskva https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B5w3_bbMjq8

    Sinking of the Moskva EXPLAINED
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4-JLElq2aYc

    Sinking of the Moskva: Damage Assessment https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tgM4tAvnlL4





    --
    MRM

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  • From bitrex@21:1/5 to Don Y on Sun Apr 24 20:44:26 2022
    On 4/23/2022 6:00 PM, Don Y wrote:
    Perhaps, like all politicians, Putin knows The Inevitable and is
    looking for a distraction to stave it off -- for as long as possible?

    For a sampling (many hits):

    <https://www.eurointegration.com.ua/eng/news/2022/04/7/7137384/>

    <https://www.yahoo.com/news/russia-facing-outright-defeat-sudden-041309456.html>


    <https://www.newsweek.com/china-fears-russia-collapse-ukraine-taiwan-foreign-minister-joseph-wu-1693195>


    <https://www.aljazeera.com/opinions/2022/3/4/russias-looming-economic-crisis-will-be-worse-than-1991>


    <https://www.newconservativepost.com/2022/03/is-russia-on-the-brink-of-collapse/>


    "The worst appears yet to come from Putin’s confusion of Russia, which
    had a GDP the size of Texas before the war, with the former Russian Empire from 100 years ago. As has been noted, “even before the invasion, Russia’s
    economic capabilities were hardly capable of sustaining an empire. Now,
    with
    foreign sanctions presiding over a plummeting Russian ruble, Russia’s economic
    standing has fallen further still. If measured at today’s exchange rates, Russia’s economy would be the 22nd largest in the world, with a gross domestic
    product (GDP) not much larger than the state of Ohio’s.” How do you say “Mississippi, here we come!” in Russian?"

    And we know EVERYONE aspires to emulate Mississippi!  Even Alabama!

    Yes, Russia was only capable of sustaining the lifestyles of the
    Chicago-school economists and fat oligarchs they enabled in looting the
    country after the fall of the Soviet Union.

    That market capitalism would've been able to provide an American-style comfortable existence for all it citizens was a joke going in and they
    knew it, it was simply a pillaging exercise.

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  • From bitrex@21:1/5 to jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com on Sun Apr 24 20:32:53 2022
    On 4/24/2022 5:21 PM, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
    On Sat, 23 Apr 2022 15:00:10 -0700, Don Y
    <blockedofcourse@foo.invalid> wrote:

    Perhaps, like all politicians, Putin knows The Inevitable and is
    looking for a distraction to stave it off -- for as long as possible?

    For a sampling (many hits):

    <https://www.eurointegration.com.ua/eng/news/2022/04/7/7137384/>

    <https://www.yahoo.com/news/russia-facing-outright-defeat-sudden-041309456.html>

    <https://www.newsweek.com/china-fears-russia-collapse-ukraine-taiwan-foreign-minister-joseph-wu-1693195>

    <https://www.aljazeera.com/opinions/2022/3/4/russias-looming-economic-crisis-will-be-worse-than-1991>

    <https://www.newconservativepost.com/2022/03/is-russia-on-the-brink-of-collapse/>

    "The worst appears yet to come from Putin’s confusion of Russia, which
    had a GDP the size of Texas before the war, with the former Russian Empire >>from 100 years ago. As has been noted, “even before the invasion, Russia’s
    economic capabilities were hardly capable of sustaining an empire. Now, with >> foreign sanctions presiding over a plummeting Russian ruble, Russia’s economic
    standing has fallen further still. If measured at today’s exchange rates, >> Russia’s economy would be the 22nd largest in the world, with a gross domestic
    product (GDP) not much larger than the state of Ohio’s.” How do you say >> “Mississippi, here we come!” in Russian?"

    And we know EVERYONE aspires to emulate Mississippi! Even Alabama!

    They don't seem to do anything very well.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sewhe0DqVao




    Surface combat ships become more as just high=priced sitting ducks each
    year. Even rag-tag militias can do serious damage as the USS Cole showed
    20 years ago.

    $4.3 billion for these,

    <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zumwalt-class_destroyer>

    <https://www.navytimes.com/news/your-navy/2016/11/22/destroyer-zumwalt-breaks-down-and-gets-tow-in-panama-canal/>

    Close-in defense compromised in favor of the dubiously-useful stealth.
    At least they're only building three as opposed to the original 20,
    still too many, the chances they could survive an attack like the one on
    the Moskva about 0%:

    <https://www.19fortyfive.com/2022/01/the-us-navys-zumwalt-stealth-destroyer-a-rusty-mess/>

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  • From John Doe@21:1/5 to Cursitor Doom on Mon Apr 25 01:28:37 2022
    Cursitor Doom wrote:

    John Doe wrote:

    Lots of propaganda, most of it before Russia demanded rubles for its
    gas exports. Europe submitted to Russia's rubles for gas demand, and
    now the ruble is higher than its prewar level.

    Lots of silly predictions in Newsweek and other mainstream media. World
    renowned diplomats have predicted the disaster Ukraine has become,
    spurred by NATO expansion to Russia's border countries.

    THAT is the core of the problem. We reneged on all the assurances we
    gave Russia after the USSR collapsed 30 years ago. Putin is now forced
    to act to prevent himself ending up in the exact same position as Jack Kennedy in the US back in '62 and only a brainwashed fool would be
    unable to understand that simple concept.

    For a good time, check out Fox News's channel...

    https://www.youtube.com/user/FoxNewsChannel/videos

    Or even their business channel...

    https://www.youtube.com/user/FoxBusinessNetwork/videos

    Search the page for videos about Ukraine and read the comments. Regular
    Fox News viewers are BASHING the heck out of them in the comment sections.
    It's a bloodbath. Similar thing happens with neocon Newsmax uploads...

    https://www.youtube.com/c/NewsmaxtvLive/videos

    Most Americans and probably most non-neocon non-liberal Europeans are
    against participating in that war.

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  • From John Doe@21:1/5 to All on Mon Apr 25 01:39:07 2022
    https://youtu.be/p3TA2BDpe74

    "Neocons leading the way: Greenwald...Glenn Greenwald tells 'The Ingraham Angle' that neocons seem to be the most beloved and admired and influential people within the Democratic Party."

    Glenn Greenwald is a rabid liberal who graduated from NYU School of Law
    (1994) and The George Washington University (1990).

    https://www.salon.com/writer/glenn_greenwald

    Salon is a far left liberal publication.








    Bozo Bill Sloman, the most frequent troll in this group, is an attention-craving chronic liar who cannot be reasoned with...

    "the user has posted under the same name in other places, so not
    nym-shifting" (Bozo sucks at logic)

    "the Mueller investigation was about Trump only because Trump made it so"
    (Bozo lying)

    "the concepts "male" and "female" are essentially social constructions"
    (Bozo being weird)

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  • From John Doe@21:1/5 to bitrex on Mon Apr 25 02:02:03 2022
    XPost: free.spam

    https://youtu.be/p3TA2BDpe74

    "Neocons leading the way: Greenwald...Glenn Greenwald tells 'The Ingraham Angle' that neocons seem to be the most beloved and admired and influential people within the Democratic Party."

    Glenn Greenwald is a rabid liberal who graduated from NYU School of Law
    (1994) and The George Washington University (1990).

    https://www.salon.com/writer/glenn_greenwald

    Salon is a far left liberal publication.

    This issue is another shining example of "bitrex" contradicting its claim
    of being a "libertarian"...

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    On 4/24/2022 4:04 AM, John Doe wrote:
    https://english.alarabiya.net/News/world/2022/04/23/Top-US-diplomat-defense-secretary-to-visit-to-Kyiv-on-Sunday-Zelenskyy-says

    Zelenskyy doesn't really know what day, but he's convinced American
    diplomats will be visiting Ukraine, very soon.

    The idiot needs to HUMBLE himself and stop Ukrainians from suffering.
    Personally, it's probably too late for him, so he doesn't care. Maybe his
    gorgeous (soon-to-be ex) wife is driving it. Should have had a prenuptial
    agreement.

    Lol be humble for what, a Vladimir Putin and a washed-up game show host
    named Donald Trump?

    They've both been showed out for the impotent toads they are. Can't say
    what the Ukraine will do exactly and it's not my business, but the left
    in both the US and Russia should take the opportunity to crush these
    idiots and their fan clubs forever, I love our chances.

    Ah, looks like Marine Le Pen got stomped in France, too, I love it. Get fuckin' wrecked fashie fucks.


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  • From John Doe@21:1/5 to jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com on Mon Apr 25 01:50:26 2022
    jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:

    Cursitor Doom wrote:
    John Doe wrote:

    Lots of propaganda, most of it before Russia demanded rubles for its
    gas exports. Europe submitted to Russia's rubles for gas demand, and
    now the ruble is higher than its prewar level.

    Lots of silly predictions in Newsweek and other mainstream media.
    World renowned diplomats have predicted the disaster Ukraine has
    become, spurred by NATO expansion to Russia's border countries.

    THAT is the core of the problem. We reneged on all the assurances we
    gave Russia after the USSR collapsed 30 years ago.

    What were those?

    That NATO would not expand to Russia's border countries.

    And what's wrong with NATO? It's an agreement that if small countries
    are attacked, they will support one another.

    Hosting NATO's MILITARY troops is not just an "agreement".

    Actually, Henry Kissinger did say some of those countries should join
    NATO, but also "they should NOT host NATO troops". Now three of four are hosting NATO troops.

    We Americans wouldn't allow Russian military forces in Mexico or Canada
    either.

    NATO is attempting to encroach close enough to Moscow to initiate a first strike against Russia. Ukraine is less than 200 miles from Moscow. That's
    too close.

    Then NATO started flirting with Ukraine and Ukraine started persecuting
    Russia sympathetic people in Ukraine. That stepped over the line.

    Renowned world diplomats warned against NATO's aggressive expansion to
    Russia's border countries but they were ignored. Ukraine getting wrecked
    is the result.

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  • From John Doe@21:1/5 to Ed Lee on Mon Apr 25 01:55:43 2022
    Ed Lee <edward.ming.lee@gmail.com> wrote:

    Cursitor Doom wrote:
    Ed Lee wrote:
    Cursitor Doom wrote:
    John Doe wrote:

    Lots of propaganda, most of it before Russia demanded rubles for
    its gas exports. Europe submitted to Russia's rubles for gas
    demand, and now the ruble is higher than its prewar level.

    Lots of silly predictions in Newsweek and other mainstream media.
    World renowned diplomats have predicted the disaster Ukraine has
    become, spurred by NATO expansion to Russia's border countries.

    THAT is the core of the problem. We reneged on all the assurances we
    gave Russia after the USSR collapsed 30 years ago.

    Political promises from politicians here and there. No treaty was
    signed whatever to assure Russia.

    Are you suggesting our politicians can't be trusted to keep their word?

    Politicians represent themselves with promises, only signed and verified treaties are bounded to the countries.

    <chortle!>
    Joking aside, the fact is we broke those undertakiings and that is why
    we are where we are now: looking at yet another war - and one which
    could go nuclear at that.

    NATO or not. Russia goal is to control the entire Black Sea north coast
    all the way to Moldova. Ukraine needs to send them more Neptunes.
    Without their Black Sea Fleet, perhaps Russians would go home.

    Are you just ACTING deaf and stupid? Russia has thousands of nukes.

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  • From Edward Hernandez@21:1/5 to All on Mon Apr 25 02:07:13 2022
    XPost: free.spam

    The John Doe troll stated the following in message-id <sdhn7c$pkp$4@dont-email.me>:

    The troll doesn't even know how to format a USENET post...

    And the John Doe troll stated the following in message-id <sg3kr7$qt5$1@dont-email.me>:

    The reason Bozo cannot figure out how to get Google to keep from
    breaking its lines in inappropriate places is because Bozo is
    CLUELESS...

    And yet, the clueless John Doe troll has itself posted yet another
    incorrectly formatted USENET posting on Mon, 25 Apr 2022 02:02:03 -0000
    (UTC) in message-id <t44veq$gtg$7@dont-email.me>.

    Further, John Doe stated the following in message-id <svsh05$lbh$5@dont-email.me> posted Fri, 4 Mar 2022 08:01:09 -0000
    (UTC):

    Compared to other regulars, Bozo contributes practically nothing
    except insults to this group.

    Yet, since Wed, 5 Jan 2022 04:10:38 -0000 (UTC) John Doe's post ratio to
    USENET (**) has been 57.5% of its posts contributing "nothing except
    insults" to USENET.

    ** Since Wed, 5 Jan 2022 04:10:38 -0000 (UTC) John Doe has posted at
    least 1121 articles to USENET. Of which 131 have been pure insults and
    514 have been John Doe "troll format" postings.

    ipprb6PXUTZR

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  • From John Doe@21:1/5 to whit3rd@gmail.com on Mon Apr 25 01:31:11 2022
    whit3rd <whit3rd@gmail.com> wrote:

    John Doe wrote:

    Only neocons and liberals are for arming Ukraine. The rest of us Americans

    You left out Nazis!

    "neocons" is close enough

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  • From bitrex@21:1/5 to John Doe on Sun Apr 24 22:20:47 2022
    XPost: free.spam

    On 4/24/2022 10:02 PM, John Doe wrote:
    https://youtu.be/p3TA2BDpe74

    "Neocons leading the way: Greenwald...Glenn Greenwald tells 'The Ingraham Angle' that neocons seem to be the most beloved and admired and influential people within the Democratic Party."

    Glenn Greenwald is a rabid liberal who graduated from NYU School of Law (1994) and The George Washington University (1990).

    https://www.salon.com/writer/glenn_greenwald

    Salon is a far left liberal publication.

    A "far left" liberal? Good grief man, what a contradiction in terms. Any
    "far left" publication would have the Red Star or hammer & sickle at the
    top of the front page, let's at least get our definitions straight.

    This issue is another shining example of "bitrex" contradicting its claim
    of being a "libertarian"...

    I don't believe the state should e.g. have the power to execute its
    citizens, force women to give birth, or declare wars by fiat. That at
    least makes me more libertarian than every person who thinks the state
    _should_ have one or more of those powers, that is to say like, 95% of Americans.

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  • From Ed Lee@21:1/5 to John Doe on Sun Apr 24 19:18:46 2022
    On Sunday, April 24, 2022 at 6:55:49 PM UTC-7, John Doe wrote:
    Ed Lee <edward....@gmail.com> wrote:

    Cursitor Doom wrote:
    Ed Lee wrote:
    Cursitor Doom wrote:
    John Doe wrote:

    Lots of propaganda, most of it before Russia demanded rubles for
    its gas exports. Europe submitted to Russia's rubles for gas
    demand, and now the ruble is higher than its prewar level.

    Lots of silly predictions in Newsweek and other mainstream media.
    World renowned diplomats have predicted the disaster Ukraine has
    become, spurred by NATO expansion to Russia's border countries.

    THAT is the core of the problem. We reneged on all the assurances we >>>> gave Russia after the USSR collapsed 30 years ago.

    Political promises from politicians here and there. No treaty was
    signed whatever to assure Russia.

    Are you suggesting our politicians can't be trusted to keep their word?

    Politicians represent themselves with promises, only signed and verified treaties are bounded to the countries.

    <chortle!>
    Joking aside, the fact is we broke those undertakiings and that is why
    we are where we are now: looking at yet another war - and one which
    could go nuclear at that.

    NATO or not. Russia goal is to control the entire Black Sea north coast
    all the way to Moldova. Ukraine needs to send them more Neptunes.
    Without their Black Sea Fleet, perhaps Russians would go home.
    Are you just ACTING deaf and stupid? Russia has thousands of nukes.

    That's the Putin trap. You can be international outlaw with nukes. Now, all strong arm countries will want nukes.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From Edward Hernandez@21:1/5 to All on Mon Apr 25 02:25:42 2022
    XPost: free.spam

    The John Doe troll stated the following in message-id <sdhn7c$pkp$4@dont-email.me>:

    The troll doesn't even know how to format a USENET post...

    And the John Doe troll stated the following in message-id <sg3kr7$qt5$1@dont-email.me>:

    The reason Bozo cannot figure out how to get Google to keep from
    breaking its lines in inappropriate places is because Bozo is
    CLUELESS...

    And yet, the clueless John Doe troll has itself posted yet another
    incorrectly formatted USENET posting on Mon, 25 Apr 2022 02:22:34 -0000
    (UTC) in message-id <t450la$gtg$8@dont-email.me>.

    Further, John Doe stated the following in message-id <svsh05$lbh$5@dont-email.me> posted Fri, 4 Mar 2022 08:01:09 -0000
    (UTC):

    Compared to other regulars, Bozo contributes practically nothing
    except insults to this group.

    Yet, since Wed, 5 Jan 2022 04:10:38 -0000 (UTC) John Doe's post ratio to
    USENET (**) has been 57.6% of its posts contributing "nothing except
    insults" to USENET.

    ** Since Wed, 5 Jan 2022 04:10:38 -0000 (UTC) John Doe has posted at
    least 1123 articles to USENET. Of which 131 have been pure insults and
    516 have been John Doe "troll format" postings.

    This posting is a public service announcement for any google groups
    readers who happen by to point out that the John Doe troll does not even
    follow the rules it uses to troll other posters.

    jscULw54h4kv

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From John Doe@21:1/5 to Edward Hernandez on Mon Apr 25 02:22:34 2022
    XPost: free.spam

    Eddie wants so badly to nym-shift. That's a no-no here, Eddie!

    Eddie has never posted anything NORMAL except when it got a spanking...

    https://groups.google.com/g/sci.electronics.repair/c/MesPLcGU4BE

    See also...
    John Doe <always.look@message.header> (astraweb)
    Peter Weiner <dtgamer99@gmail.com>
    Edward H. <dtgamer99@gmail.com>
    Edward Hernandez <dtgamer99@gmail.com>

    Eddie is an example for all newbies. Don't get spanked!

    Spanked Eddie...

    --
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    The John Doe troll stated the following in message-id <sdhn7c$pkp$4@dont-email.me>:

    The troll doesn't even know how to format a USENET post...

    And the John Doe troll stated the following in message-id <sg3kr7$qt5$1@dont-email.me>:

    The reason Bozo cannot figure out how to get Google to keep from
    breaking its lines in inappropriate places is because Bozo is
    CLUELESS...

    And yet, the clueless John Doe troll has itself posted yet another incorrectly formatted USENET posting on Mon, 25 Apr 2022 02:02:03 -0000
    (UTC) in message-id <t44veq$gtg$7@dont-email.me>.

    Further, John Doe stated the following in message-id <svsh05$lbh$5@dont-email.me> posted Fri, 4 Mar 2022 08:01:09 -0000
    (UTC):

    Compared to other regulars, Bozo contributes practically nothing
    except insults to this group.

    Yet, since Wed, 5 Jan 2022 04:10:38 -0000 (UTC) John Doe's post ratio to USENET (**) has been 57.5% of its posts contributing "nothing except
    insults" to USENET.

    ** Since Wed, 5 Jan 2022 04:10:38 -0000 (UTC) John Doe has posted at
    least 1121 articles to USENET. Of which 131 have been pure insults and
    514 have been John Doe "troll format" postings.

    ipprb6PXUTZR




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  • From bitrex@21:1/5 to bitrex on Sun Apr 24 22:25:47 2022
    XPost: free.spam

    On 4/24/2022 10:20 PM, bitrex wrote:
    On 4/24/2022 10:02 PM, John Doe wrote:
    https://youtu.be/p3TA2BDpe74

    "Neocons leading the way: Greenwald...Glenn Greenwald tells 'The Ingraham
    Angle' that neocons seem to be the most beloved and admired and
    influential
    people within the Democratic Party."

    Glenn Greenwald is a rabid liberal who graduated from NYU School of Law
    (1994) and The George Washington University (1990).

    https://www.salon.com/writer/glenn_greenwald

    Salon is a far left liberal publication.

    A "far left" liberal? Good grief man, what a contradiction in terms. Any
    "far left" publication would have the Red Star or hammer & sickle at the
    top of the front page, let's at least get our definitions straight.

    Or any far left publication with a significant readership outside the
    US, at least.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From John Doe@21:1/5 to Ed Lee on Mon Apr 25 02:29:56 2022
    Ed Lee <edward.ming.lee@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Sunday, April 24, 2022 at 6:55:49 PM UTC-7, John Doe wrote:
    Ed Lee <edward....@gmail.com> wrote:

    Cursitor Doom wrote:
    Ed Lee wrote:
    Cursitor Doom wrote:
    John Doe wrote:

    Lots of propaganda, most of it before Russia demanded rubles for
    its gas exports. Europe submitted to Russia's rubles for gas
    demand, and now the ruble is higher than its prewar level.

    Lots of silly predictions in Newsweek and other mainstream media.
    World renowned diplomats have predicted the disaster Ukraine has
    become, spurred by NATO expansion to Russia's border countries.

    THAT is the core of the problem. We reneged on all the assurances
    we gave Russia after the USSR collapsed 30 years ago.

    Political promises from politicians here and there. No treaty was
    signed whatever to assure Russia.

    Are you suggesting our politicians can't be trusted to keep their
    word?

    Politicians represent themselves with promises, only signed and
    verified treaties are bounded to the countries.

    <chortle!> Joking aside, the fact is we broke those undertakiings
    and that is why we are where we are now: looking at yet another war
    - and one which could go nuclear at that.

    NATO or not. Russia goal is to control the entire Black Sea north
    coast all the way to Moldova. Ukraine needs to send them more
    Neptunes. Without their Black Sea Fleet, perhaps Russians would go
    home.

    Are you just ACTING deaf and stupid? Russia has thousands of nukes.

    That's the Putin trap.

    No, it's called "logic".

    Conventional forces are no longer useful except for critically important missions. The only purpose for NATO is to encroach close enough to Moscow
    to give it first strike capability. It wouldn't even really matter if
    Ukraine were part of NATO. The question will always be whether defending a particular country, NATO member or not, is worth starting World War III.

    You can be international outlaw with nukes. Now, all strong arm
    countries will want nukes.

    The poster lives under a rock.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From bitrex@21:1/5 to John Doe on Sun Apr 24 22:37:42 2022
    On 4/24/2022 10:26 PM, John Doe wrote:
    bitrex wrote:

    I don't believe the state should force women to give birth

    Fascinating concept...

    It also believes boys should be allowed to beat up on girls in sports, and that men should use women's locker rooms and restrooms.

    The cannibal left utterly suck at logic.

    Yep, fascist "logic" is pretty alien to me.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno@decadenc@21:1/5 to John Dope on Mon Apr 25 02:56:33 2022
    John Dope <always.look@message.header> wrote in news:t45133$gtg$10 @dont-email.me:

    The only purpose for NATO is to encroach close enough to Moscow
    to give it first strike capability.

    Bullshit. Pure bullshit, just like the nym you claim.

    We have subs and hypersonic cruise missiles that are sub surface tube launched.

    NATO is about defending against an enemy attack.

    Ooops... looks like you have zero grasp on modern military realities
    as well as all the other shit you have no clue about.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno@decadenc@21:1/5 to bitrex on Mon Apr 25 02:58:07 2022
    bitrex <user@example.net> wrote in
    news:XPn9K.439959$iK66.33979@fx46.iad:

    On 4/24/2022 10:26 PM, John Dope wrote:
    bitrex wrote:

    I don't believe the state should force women to give birth

    Fascinating concept...

    It also believes boys should be allowed to beat up on girls in
    sports, and that men should use women's locker rooms and
    restrooms.

    The cannibal left utterly suck at logic.

    Yep, fascist "logic" is pretty alien to me.


    China kills many girl babies and women every year.

    John Dope is as clueless as a person can get. Trump and Putin still
    beat him, but not by much.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From John Doe@21:1/5 to bitrex on Mon Apr 25 02:26:04 2022
    bitrex wrote:

    I don't believe the state should force women to give birth

    Fascinating concept...

    It also believes boys should be allowed to beat up on girls in sports, and
    that men should use women's locker rooms and restrooms.

    The cannibal left utterly suck at logic.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From John Doe@21:1/5 to All on Mon Apr 25 02:56:46 2022
    The state "forcing women to give birth".

    You mean like the "Department of Procreation"?

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From John Doe@21:1/5 to All on Mon Apr 25 02:59:35 2022
    *It wouldn't even really matter [for defense] if Ukraine were part of NATO

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  • From John Doe@21:1/5 to DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno@decadenc on Mon Apr 25 03:26:50 2022
    XPost: free.spam

    "hypersonic cruise missiles"

    We do not have hypersonic missiles, but Russia sure does...

    General: "Mr. President, Russia used hypersonic missiles!"
    The President: "Unleash the non-binaries."
    General: "Nooo! NOT THE NON-BINARIES!!!"

    The group idiot, a.k.a. Always Wrong, with its difficult to decipher
    nym...

    --
    DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno@decadence.org wrote:

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    From: DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno@decadence.org
    Newsgroups: sci.electronics.design
    Subject: Re: OT: Russian collapse
    Date: Mon, 25 Apr 2022 02:56:33 -0000 (UTC)
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    John Dope <always.look@message.header> wrote in news:t45133$gtg$10 @dont-email.me:

    The only purpose for NATO is to encroach close enough to Moscow
    to give it first strike capability.

    Bullshit. Pure bullshit, just like the nym you claim.

    We have subs and hypersonic cruise missiles that are sub surface tube launched.

    NATO is about defending against an enemy attack.

    Ooops... looks like you have zero grasp on modern military realities
    as well as all the other shit you have no clue about.



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  • From Edward Hernandez@21:1/5 to All on Mon Apr 25 03:30:04 2022
    XPost: free.spam

    The John Doe troll stated the following in message-id <sdhn7c$pkp$4@dont-email.me>:

    The troll doesn't even know how to format a USENET post...

    And the John Doe troll stated the following in message-id <sg3kr7$qt5$1@dont-email.me>:

    The reason Bozo cannot figure out how to get Google to keep from
    breaking its lines in inappropriate places is because Bozo is
    CLUELESS...

    And yet, the clueless John Doe troll has itself posted yet another
    incorrectly formatted USENET posting on Mon, 25 Apr 2022 03:26:50 -0000
    (UTC) in message-id <t454dq$20v$1@dont-email.me>.

    Further, Troll Doe stated the following in message-id <svsh05$lbh$5@dont-email.me> posted Fri, 4 Mar 2022 08:01:09 -0000
    (UTC):

    Compared to other regulars, Bozo contributes practically nothing
    except insults to this group.

    Yet, since Wed, 5 Jan 2022 04:10:38 -0000 (UTC) Troll Doe's post ratio
    to USENET (**) has been 57.5% of its posts contributing "nothing except insults" to USENET.

    ** Since Wed, 5 Jan 2022 04:10:38 -0000 (UTC) Troll Doe has posted at
    least 1130 articles to USENET. Of which 132 have been pure insults and
    518 have been Troll Doe "troll format" postings.

    3w5amI7cFY2p

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From John Doe@21:1/5 to Edward Hernandez on Mon Apr 25 03:36:36 2022
    XPost: free.spam

    Eddie wants so badly to nym-shift. That's a no-no here, Eddie!

    Eddie has never posted anything NORMAL except when it got a spanking...

    https://groups.google.com/g/sci.electronics.repair/c/MesPLcGU4BE

    See also...
    John Doe <always.look@message.header> (astraweb)
    Peter Weiner <dtgamer99@gmail.com>
    Edward H. <dtgamer99@gmail.com>
    Edward Hernandez <dtgamer99@gmail.com>

    Eddie is an example for all newbies. Don't get spanked!

    Spanked Eddie...

    --
    Edward Hernandez <dtgamer99@gmail.com> wrote:

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    POSTED!not-for-mail
    From: Edward Hernandez <dtgamer99@gmail.com>
    Subject: Re: OT: Russian collapse
    Newsgroups: sci.electronics.design,free.spam
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    The John Doe troll stated the following in message-id <sdhn7c$pkp$4@dont-email.me>:

    The troll doesn't even know how to format a USENET post...

    And the John Doe troll stated the following in message-id <sg3kr7$qt5$1@dont-email.me>:

    The reason Bozo cannot figure out how to get Google to keep from
    breaking its lines in inappropriate places is because Bozo is
    CLUELESS...

    And yet, the clueless John Doe troll has itself posted yet another incorrectly formatted USENET posting on Mon, 25 Apr 2022 03:26:50 -0000
    (UTC) in message-id <t454dq$20v$1@dont-email.me>.

    Further, Troll Doe stated the following in message-id <svsh05$lbh$5@dont-email.me> posted Fri, 4 Mar 2022 08:01:09 -0000
    (UTC):

    Compared to other regulars, Bozo contributes practically nothing
    except insults to this group.

    Yet, since Wed, 5 Jan 2022 04:10:38 -0000 (UTC) Troll Doe's post ratio
    to USENET (**) has been 57.5% of its posts contributing "nothing except insults" to USENET.

    ** Since Wed, 5 Jan 2022 04:10:38 -0000 (UTC) Troll Doe has posted at
    least 1130 articles to USENET. Of which 132 have been pure insults and
    518 have been Troll Doe "troll format" postings.

    3w5amI7cFY2p




    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From Don Y@21:1/5 to bitrex on Sun Apr 24 20:24:53 2022
    On 4/24/2022 5:44 PM, bitrex wrote:
    On 4/23/2022 6:00 PM, Don Y wrote:
    Perhaps, like all politicians, Putin knows The Inevitable and is
    looking for a distraction to stave it off -- for as long as possible?

    For a sampling (many hits):

    <https://www.eurointegration.com.ua/eng/news/2022/04/7/7137384/>

    <https://www.yahoo.com/news/russia-facing-outright-defeat-sudden-041309456.html>

    <https://www.newsweek.com/china-fears-russia-collapse-ukraine-taiwan-foreign-minister-joseph-wu-1693195>


    <https://www.aljazeera.com/opinions/2022/3/4/russias-looming-economic-crisis-will-be-worse-than-1991>


    <https://www.newconservativepost.com/2022/03/is-russia-on-the-brink-of-collapse/>


    "The worst appears yet to come from Putin’s confusion of Russia, which
    had a GDP the size of Texas before the war, with the former Russian Empire >> from 100 years ago. As has been noted, “even before the invasion, Russia’s
    economic capabilities were hardly capable of sustaining an empire. Now, with >> foreign sanctions presiding over a plummeting Russian ruble, Russia’s economic
    standing has fallen further still. If measured at today’s exchange rates, >> Russia’s economy would be the 22nd largest in the world, with a gross domestic
    product (GDP) not much larger than the state of Ohio’s.” How do you say >> “Mississippi, here we come!” in Russian?"

    And we know EVERYONE aspires to emulate Mississippi! Even Alabama!

    Yes, Russia was only capable of sustaining the lifestyles of the Chicago-school
    economists and fat oligarchs they enabled in looting the country after the fall
    of the Soviet Union.

    Dunno.

    *Many* years ago, a friend's sister was "back in the states" for a visit.
    She'd been living in Russia for ~10 years. So, I naturally quizzed her on what it was like -- figuring she had seen US and USSR societies so could make a comparison. The take-away from her comments was "Everything seems cheap or run-down... even brand new things (buildings, products, etc.)" She jokingly dismissed it as "poor work ethic".

    Fast forward to ~2010 and a (new) friend who'd emigrated from Moscow was met with a similar set of questions. She replied (heavily accented) that things were pretty good "in the big cities" (keeping in mind that she was from Moscow). "Other places... not so good." Understatement? I asked her what
    day to day life was like, shopping, etc. and her eyes lit up -- "*So* much more to choose from, here (US)!" And, as to why she emigrated, "More opportunity. If I stayed in Moscow I would have been a _________" (as if that wasn't something she aspired to be!)

    [So, now *two* datapoints that give an underwwhelming assessment of "life in Russia"]

    Recently, I started hearing folks making comments about the impending *fall*
    of Russia ("failed state"). And, putting hard numbers on the time frame expected. I assumed this was "happy talk". Especially in light of the
    "gains" the Ukrainians have been making against what "should" have been a "vastly superior force".

    Lots of retired/active military here so discussions often get pretty
    detailed re: capabilities, processes, discipline, etc. in the armed forces. And, speculation as to Russian and Ukrainian counterparts. The Moskva's sinking was a big red light for these folks. And, Putin's "explanation"
    of the event even more of a red light.

    If NOT sunk by Ukranian action, it speaks volumes as to the competency
    (lack thereof) of the Russian military. Poor progress by their ground
    forces just reinforces this as a *systemic* problem (i.e., not just
    a Navy issue). You'd have folks believe that some inept "comrade"
    made such a *disasterous* "mistake" that it caused the loss of such a
    "grand vessel"? Something that should have been *precious*?!

    If sunk by Ukranian action, then some inept comrade failed to deploy countermeasures to protect against this type of attack (including having
    the vessel positioned in such a location that it was accessible from ground-based munitions).

    I.e., there's no way to make the incident "smell palatable".

    You can make up whatever explanation suits your fancy to feed (as pablum)
    to The Masses. But, military professionals around the world are looking
    at intelligence reports, satellite imagery, etc. AND detailed psychological profiles of the leaders making those pronouncements and likely coming
    a lot closer to a *good* assessment of your capabilities.

    Sabre rattling just reinforces the appearance of a potemkin power. Now, China's lap dog (it's clear where the power lies in THAT relationship...
    even to an ex KGB officer!)

    Anyway... in this discussion, someone made the same "everything is rundown" comment -- which sparked my interest in the predictions of Russia's demise. Google turned up lots of hits from a wide variety of reporting sources.
    So, it's not a single prophet making the rounds but, rather, more of a consensus opinion.

    As The Rest of the World (TmReg) starts reassessing their military postures
    and budgets, will Russia be able to *meet* their advances? When will the "Tread carefully; we have nukes" threat lose its teeth? (imagine a tactical nuke strike on The Kremlin and its psychological effect on the populace)

    That market capitalism would've been able to provide an American-style comfortable existence for all it citizens was a joke going in and they knew it,
    it was simply a pillaging exercise.

    If you despise your populace, you don't really care as to how well their
    lives may be. It will be interesting to see how people, there -- esp young people -- take to their lifestyles degrading so far and so fast. Give it
    a few months for back inventory to be exhausted and things to start breaking with no spare parts available. Or, food shortages (wasn't Ukraine the "breadbasket" of the SSRs?). Or, lack of mobility.

    "That grey woolen coat looks GOOD on you, comrade! Here's a scarf to
    bundle up your hair while you wait in line for your 3-day-old loaf of bread..."

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From Edward Hernandez@21:1/5 to All on Mon Apr 25 03:38:24 2022
    XPost: free.spam

    The John Doe troll stated the following in message-id <sdhn7c$pkp$4@dont-email.me>:

    The troll doesn't even know how to format a USENET post...

    And the John Doe troll stated the following in message-id <sg3kr7$qt5$1@dont-email.me>:

    The reason Bozo cannot figure out how to get Google to keep from
    breaking its lines in inappropriate places is because Bozo is
    CLUELESS...

    And yet, the clueless John Doe troll has itself posted yet another
    incorrectly formatted USENET posting on Mon, 25 Apr 2022 03:36:36 -0000
    (UTC) in message-id <t45504$50b$1@dont-email.me>.

    Further, John Doe stated the following in message-id <svsh05$lbh$5@dont-email.me> posted Fri, 4 Mar 2022 08:01:09 -0000
    (UTC):

    Compared to other regulars, Bozo contributes practically nothing
    except insults to this group.

    Yet, since Wed, 5 Jan 2022 04:10:38 -0000 (UTC) John Doe's post ratio to
    USENET (**) has been 57.6% of its posts contributing "nothing except
    insults" to USENET.

    ** Since Wed, 5 Jan 2022 04:10:38 -0000 (UTC) John Doe has posted at
    least 1132 articles to USENET. Of which 132 have been pure insults and
    520 have been John Doe "troll format" postings.

    This posting is a public service announcement for any google groups
    readers who happen by to point out that the John Doe troll does not even
    follow the rules it uses to troll other posters.

    wna5KJ1L1y5V

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From bitrex@21:1/5 to Don Y on Sun Apr 24 23:54:00 2022
    On 4/24/2022 11:24 PM, Don Y wrote:
    On 4/24/2022 5:44 PM, bitrex wrote:
    On 4/23/2022 6:00 PM, Don Y wrote:
    Perhaps, like all politicians, Putin knows The Inevitable and is
    looking for a distraction to stave it off -- for as long as possible?

    For a sampling (many hits):

    <https://www.eurointegration.com.ua/eng/news/2022/04/7/7137384/>

    <https://www.yahoo.com/news/russia-facing-outright-defeat-sudden-041309456.html>


    <https://www.newsweek.com/china-fears-russia-collapse-ukraine-taiwan-foreign-minister-joseph-wu-1693195>


    <https://www.aljazeera.com/opinions/2022/3/4/russias-looming-economic-crisis-will-be-worse-than-1991>


    <https://www.newconservativepost.com/2022/03/is-russia-on-the-brink-of-collapse/>


    "The worst appears yet to come from Putin’s confusion of Russia, which >>> had a GDP the size of Texas before the war, with the former Russian
    Empire
    from 100 years ago. As has been noted, “even before the invasion,
    Russia’s
    economic capabilities were hardly capable of sustaining an empire.
    Now, with
    foreign sanctions presiding over a plummeting Russian ruble, Russia’s
    economic
    standing has fallen further still. If measured at today’s exchange
    rates,
    Russia’s economy would be the 22nd largest in the world, with a gross
    domestic
    product (GDP) not much larger than the state of Ohio’s.” How do you say >>> “Mississippi, here we come!” in Russian?"

    And we know EVERYONE aspires to emulate Mississippi!  Even Alabama!

    Yes, Russia was only capable of sustaining the lifestyles of the
    Chicago-school economists and fat oligarchs they enabled in looting
    the country after the fall of the Soviet Union.

    Dunno.

    *Many* years ago, a friend's sister was "back in the states" for a visit. She'd been living in Russia for ~10 years.  So, I naturally quizzed her
    on what
    it was like -- figuring she had seen US and USSR societies so could make a comparison.  The take-away from her comments was "Everything seems cheap
    or run-down... even brand new things (buildings, products, etc.)"  She jokingly
    dismissed it as "poor work ethic".

    Fast forward to ~2010 and a (new) friend who'd emigrated from Moscow was
    met
    with a similar set of questions.  She replied (heavily accented) that
    things
    were pretty good "in the big cities" (keeping in mind that she was from Moscow).  "Other places... not so good."  Understatement?  I asked her what
    day to day life was like, shopping, etc. and her eyes lit up -- "*So*
    much more
    to choose from, here (US)!"  And, as to why she emigrated, "More opportunity.
    If I stayed in Moscow I would have been a _________" (as if that wasn't something she aspired to be!)

    [So, now *two* datapoints that give an underwwhelming assessment of
    "life in
    Russia"]


    If Putin mistook some expressions of wistfulness on the part of some in
    former Soviet republics like Ukraine for the Soviet Union itself, or for
    a longing for Russia itself, I think he was badly mistaken, they tended
    to love the jobs that the Soviet Union provided, not Russia or the rest
    of the Soviet Union's ideas.

    It was largely an oligarchic racket same as Russia is now but for a
    period of time similar to the period of nostalgia the boomers in the US sometimes have, 1950-1980, the racket was decently productive and able
    to provide some good jobs in the republics also, and put workers in
    steel plants making ships and planes, and farmers in fields cranking out
    grain and produce.

    The market reforms that followed were better about putting McDonalds on
    street corners and more Western products in stores, but less effective
    on the employment front in the former republics particularly.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From whit3rd@21:1/5 to John Doe on Sun Apr 24 20:49:10 2022
    On Sunday, April 24, 2022 at 7:30:02 PM UTC-7, John Doe wrote:

    Conventional forces are no longer useful except for critically important missions.

    What does the claim 'no longer useful' mean, if you make an exception
    for 'critically important'...?

    It sure sounds like nonsense to me.

    The only purpose for NATO is to encroach close enough to Moscow

    Huh? What does proximity matter, the entire world is one day's
    travel from any spot on the planet.

    to give it first strike capability.

    There's multiple hidden launch sites, including
    mobile ones under the ocean surface, to prevent ANY 'first strike'
    from being successful. Second claim is nonsense just like the first.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From Anthony William Sloman@21:1/5 to John Doe on Sun Apr 24 21:27:47 2022
    On Monday, April 25, 2022 at 11:28:44 AM UTC+10, John Doe wrote:
    Cursitor Doom wrote:
    John Doe wrote:

    Lots of propaganda, most of it before Russia demanded rubles for its
    gas exports. Europe submitted to Russia's rubles for gas demand, and
    now the ruble is higher than its prewar level.

    Lots of silly predictions in Newsweek and other mainstream media. World
    renowned diplomats have predicted the disaster Ukraine has become,
    spurred by NATO expansion to Russia's border countries.

    THAT is the core of the problem. We reneged on all the assurances we
    gave Russia after the USSR collapsed 30 years ago. Putin is now forced
    to act to prevent himself ending up in the exact same position as Jack Kennedy in the US back in '62 and only a brainwashed fool would be
    unable to understand that simple concept.
    For a good time, check out Fox News's channel...

    https://www.youtube.com/user/FoxNewsChannel/videos

    Or even their business channel...

    https://www.youtube.com/user/FoxBusinessNetwork/videos

    Search the page for videos about Ukraine and read the comments. Regular
    Fox News viewers are BASHING the heck out of them in the comment sections. It's a bloodbath. Similar thing happens with neocon Newsmax uploads...

    https://www.youtube.com/c/NewsmaxtvLive/videos

    Most Americans and probably most non-neocon non-liberal Europeans are
    against participating in that war.

    John Doe is a lunatic. His idea of "most Americans" includes only the lunatic fringe that is nearly as silly as he is.

    https://www.pewresearch.org/politics/2022/03/15/public-expresses-mixed-views-of-u-s-response-to-russias-invasion-of-ukraine/

    Apparently some 33% of Americans favour direct US intervention even at the risk of a nuclear response from Russia, so there seem to be quite few left-wing lunatics in the US.
    Or perhaps they think that Putin is sane enough to recognise the certainty that Russia would be wiped out in such an exchange. It's not an assumption I'd be happy to make.
    42% of Americans do think that the US isn't doing enough to support the Ukraine.

    --
    Bill Sloman, Sydney

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  • From Don Y@21:1/5 to bitrex on Sun Apr 24 21:58:32 2022
    On 4/24/2022 8:54 PM, bitrex wrote:

    [So, now *two* datapoints that give an underwwhelming assessment of "life in >> Russia"]

    If Putin mistook some expressions of wistfulness on the part of some in former
    Soviet republics like Ukraine for the Soviet Union itself, or for a longing for
    Russia itself, I think he was badly mistaken, they tended to love the jobs that
    the Soviet Union provided, not Russia or the rest of the Soviet Union's ideas.

    I think *anyone* who allows themselves to be molly-coddled into an echo chamber where they hear what they want to hear (gladly provided by sycophants) is in danger of losing all capacity for independent reason -- you have to EXERCISE that ability in order to retain it.

    [The same is true of media consumers. If you're swallowing the pablum offered without exercising any critical thought, you will quickly lose the ability to distinguish reality from fantasy. And, those around you will see it (in you) while you remain oblivious. Remember, YOU are the "product" that they are marketing to their advertisers!]

    [[I am naturally cynical. So, when I hear something that seems too convenient, I immediately want to know, "What's the catch? What AREN'T you telling me??" Sometimes, this cynicism backfires. Some time ago, I noticed a sale for
    "30% off 6 bottles or more" at a local grocery store (I am rarely in the liquor department). "What's the catch?" Liquor has a LONG shelf life. I use liquers by the *boatload* in my baking so 6 bottles is a SMALL purchase... "No catch. Most people aren't keen on dropping a few hundred dollars on spirits, that's all." More recently, they have become "25% off 6 bottles" so the savings aren't as great. But, I manage to stock up almost as often as they have the sales!]]

    It was largely an oligarchic racket same as Russia is now but for a period of time similar to the period of nostalgia the boomers in the US sometimes have, 1950-1980, the racket was decently productive and able to provide some good jobs in the republics also, and put workers in steel plants making ships and planes, and farmers in fields cranking out grain and produce.

    The Good Ole Days in the US were largely a result of it being the sole standing major economy coming out of WWII. You could make *crap* and there'd be a market for it! (cuz there were no other realistic suppliers, at scale, in a world that was trying to rebuild).

    This lead many "old timers" to think they were intrinsically valuable. And,
    as a result, that they could rest on their laurels (instead of trying to improve themselves). So, when the rest of the world moved forward, they
    were able to benefit from those OTHER improvements -- before realizing that THEY were no longer relevant.

    [You've been listening to your own opinion of yourself for so long that you
    no longer are able to evaluate your own REAL "worth". You no more want
    to hear that your skills are obsolete than Putin wants to hear that the
    USSR is *gone* (and Russia likely following)]

    The market reforms that followed were better about putting McDonalds on street
    corners and more Western products in stores, but less effective on the employment front in the former republics particularly.

    But those reforms made it possible for OPEN societies to provide those opportunities to their residents. YOU could own a McDonald's franchise! Societies that want to keep you under their thumb aren't keen on letting
    you succeed on your own merits (you may start "getting ideas"!)

    It's been an "interesting" time to live: landing on the moon, watching The Wall come down, the breakup of the USSR, technological advances, etc.

    But, I suspect that can be said of many periods in history. ("Hey,
    did you hear about that guy, Attila? ...")

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  • From Anthony William Sloman@21:1/5 to John Doe on Sun Apr 24 22:11:46 2022
    On Monday, April 25, 2022 at 12:30:02 PM UTC+10, John Doe wrote:
    Ed Lee <edward....@gmail.com> wrote:
    On Sunday, April 24, 2022 at 6:55:49 PM UTC-7, John Doe wrote:
    Ed Lee <edward....@gmail.com> wrote:
    Cursitor Doom wrote:
    Ed Lee wrote:
    Cursitor Doom wrote:
    John Doe wrote:

    <snip>

    NATO or not. Russia goal is to control the entire Black Sea north
    coast all the way to Moldova. Ukraine needs to send them more
    Neptunes. Without their Black Sea Fleet, perhaps Russians would go
    home.

    Are you just ACTING deaf and stupid? Russia has thousands of nukes.

    That's the Putin trap.

    No, it's called "logic".

    John Doe doesn't know what the word means, and he either doesn't know how to construct a logical argument, or realises that it would be a waste of his time to make the attempt.

    Conventional forces are no longer useful except for critically important missions.

    As if they were trained and held in reserve for anything else.

    The only purpose for NATO is to encroach close enough to Moscow to give it first strike capability.

    NATO has been a purely defensive alliance since it was first created. Since intercontinental ballistic missiles were developed and deployed, everybody has had a first strike capability, but since you can use radar to detect incoming missiles and launch
    yours before the incoming missiles have hit anything, it's not all that useful. Intercontinental missiles fired from submarines provide an even more effective counterattack capacity.

    Quite why John Doe persists in posting this particular bit of fatuous nonsense isn't clear. It probably crops up frequently in the pro-Putin propaganda he exists to spread.

    It wouldn't even really matter if Ukraine were part of NATO. The question will always be whether defending a particular country, NATO member or not, is worth starting World War III.

    If a country is a member of a defensive alliance, like NATO, attacking it will lead all it's allies to declare war on the attacker. This wouldn't necessarily be World War Three. NATO versus Russia would leave out most of the world. NATO wouldn't need
    nuclear weapons to sink Russian decisively, but if Russia were silly enough to start such a war it might be silly enough to unleash nuclear weapons, and get decisively flattened by the response.

    You can be international outlaw with nukes. Now, all strong arm countries will want nukes.

    The poster lives under a rock.

    And not the same rock as John Doe. John Doe does seem to be a Putin glove-puppet, which would mean that he hasn't got any life of his own at all.

    --
    Bill Sloman, Sydney

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  • From Anthony William Sloman@21:1/5 to Don Y on Sun Apr 24 22:35:48 2022
    On Monday, April 25, 2022 at 2:58:42 PM UTC+10, Don Y wrote:
    On 4/24/2022 8:54 PM, bitrex wrote:

    <snip>

    I think *anyone* who allows themselves to be molly-coddled into an echo chamber
    where they hear what they want to hear (gladly provided by sycophants) is in danger of losing all capacity for independent reason -- you have to EXERCISE that ability in order to retain it.

    Donald Trump would be the obvious example, except that he never seems to have had any capacity for independent reason at all.

    [The same is true of media consumers. If you're swallowing the pablum offered
    without exercising any critical thought, you will quickly lose the ability to
    distinguish reality from fantasy. And, those around you will see it (in you) while you remain oblivious. Remember, YOU are the "product" that they are marketing to their advertisers!]

    Donald Trump supporters.

    [[I am naturally cynical. So, when I hear something that seems too convenient,
    I immediately want to know, "What's the catch? What AREN'T you telling me??" Sometimes, this cynicism backfires. Some time ago, I noticed a sale for
    "30% off 6 bottles or more" at a local grocery store (I am rarely in the liquor
    department). "What's the catch?" Liquor has a LONG shelf life. I use liquers by the *boatload* in my baking so 6 bottles is a SMALL purchase... "No catch.
    Most people aren't keen on dropping a few hundred dollars on spirits, that's all." More recently, they have become "25% off 6 bottles" so the savings aren't as great. But, I manage to stock up almost as often as they have the sales!]]

    It was largely an oligarchic racket same as Russia is now but for a period of
    time similar to the period of nostalgia the boomers in the US sometimes have,
    1950-1980, the racket was decently productive and able to provide some good
    jobs in the republics also, and put workers in steel plants making ships and
    planes, and farmers in fields cranking out grain and produce.
    The Good Ole Days in the US were largely a result of it being the sole standing
    major economy coming out of WWII. You could make *crap* and there'd be a market for it! (cuz there were no other realistic suppliers, at scale, in a world that was trying to rebuild).

    This lead many "old timers" to think they were intrinsically valuable. And, as a result, that they could rest on their laurels (instead of trying to improve themselves). So, when the rest of the world moved forward, they
    were able to benefit from those OTHER improvements -- before realizing that THEY were no longer relevant.

    [You've been listening to your own opinion of yourself for so long that you no longer are able to evaluate your own REAL "worth". You no more want
    to hear that your skills are obsolete than Putin wants to hear that the
    USSR is *gone* (and Russia likely following)]

    Donald Trump again.

    The market reforms that followed were better about putting McDonalds on street
    corners and more Western products in stores, but less effective on the employment front in the former republics particularly.

    But those reforms made it possible for OPEN societies to provide those opportunities to their residents. YOU could own a McDonald's franchise! Societies that want to keep you under their thumb aren't keen on letting
    you succeed on your own merits (you may start "getting ideas"!).

    It's more that you might exploit a niche that"they" would like to exploit now that you've shown that it exists. The US matra that "the people who own the country ought to run the country" is a much about stopping the wrong people getting to own
    profitable bits of the country as it is about letting the people that own the country maximise their return on the bits that they already own.

    It's been an "interesting" time to live: landing on the moon, watching The Wall come down, the breakup of the USSR, technological advances, etc.

    But, I suspect that can be said of many periods in history. ("Hey,
    did you hear about that guy, Attila? ...")

    The more things change, the more they remain the same at least when the people that own the country run the country. In the US wealth is now more heritable than height. This isn't true of other advanced industrial countries, not that the US counts as
    all that advanced any more. Look at it's life expectancy figures.

    --
    Bill Sloman, Sydney

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  • From John Doe@21:1/5 to All on Mon Apr 25 05:16:43 2022
    No thanks, almost nothing the media says is believable, I believe my own 2 eyes.

    Only neocons and liberals are gung ho for starting World War III...

    https://www.youtube.com/user/FoxNewsChannel/videos

    https://www.youtube.com/user/FoxBusinessNetwork/videos

    Search the page for videos about Ukraine and read the comments. Regular
    Fox News viewers (proving they are not sheep) are BASHING the heck out of
    Fox in the comment sections. It's a bloodbath. Similar happens to neocon Newsmax uploads about Ukraine...

    https://www.youtube.com/c/NewsmaxtvLive/videos




    Not so with neocons and liberal viewers, they eat it up...

    https://youtu.be/p3TA2BDpe74

    "Neocons leading the way: Greenwald...Glenn Greenwald tells 'The Ingraham Angle' that neocons seem to be the most beloved and admired and
    influential people within the Democratic Party."

    Glenn Greenwald is a rabid liberal who graduated from NYU School of Law
    (1994) and The George Washington University (1990).

    https://www.salon.com/writer/glenn_greenwald

    Salon is a far left liberal publication.

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  • From John Doe@21:1/5 to All on Mon Apr 25 05:39:57 2022
    Babbling nonsense from an Australian troll.


    Bozo Bill Sloman, the most frequent troll in this group, is an attention-craving chronic liar who cannot be reasoned with...

    "the user has posted under the same name in other places, so not
    nym-shifting" (Bozo sucks at logic)

    "the Mueller investigation was about Trump only because Trump made it so"
    (Bozo lying)

    "the concepts "male" and "female" are essentially social constructions"
    (Bozo being weird)

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  • From Anthony William Sloman@21:1/5 to John Doe on Sun Apr 24 22:58:16 2022
    On Monday, April 25, 2022 at 3:16:50 PM UTC+10, John Doe wrote:
    No thanks, almost nothing the media says is believable, I believe my own 2 eyes.

    And keep them firmly focussed on right-wing propaganda, No inconvenient fact is going to stop John Doe from thinking what he likes to think.

    Only neocons and liberals are gung ho for starting World War III...

    Nobody is gung ho for starting World War III. At least not outside John Doe's fertile imagination, which does breed a lot of straw men.

    <snipped the usual nonsense from Fox News, which is designed to appeal to people as silly as John Doe>

    Search the page for videos about Ukraine and read the comments.

    Don't bother. The comments are posted by people silly enough to pay attention to the content.

    Regular Fox News viewers (proving they are not sheep) are BASHING the heck out of Fox in the comment sections. It's a bloodbath. Similar happens to neocon Newsmax uploads about Ukraine...

    They aren't sheep, merely goats, an equally stupid herd animal.

    https://www.youtube.com/c/NewsmaxtvLive/videos

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Newsmax_TV

    Aimed at the Fox New audience. Idiots willing to buy the cheap rubbish that gets advertised there.

    Not so with neocons and liberal viewers, they eat it up...

    https://youtu.be/p3TA2BDpe74

    Snipped more Fox News nonsense.

    Salon is a far left liberal publication.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Salon.com

    Merely liberal, and a commercial disaster. It's can't offer the curated stock of gullible idiots readers that more right-wing outlets can offer to their advertisers.

    --
    Bill Sloman, Sydney

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  • From Anthony William Sloman@21:1/5 to John Doe on Sun Apr 24 23:07:04 2022
    On Monday, April 25, 2022 at 3:40:09 PM UTC+10, John Doe wrote:
    Babbling nonsense from an Australian troll.

    Of course John Doe can't tell us why he thinks that it is nonsense. That would require him construct a logical argument, which doesn't seem to be in his skill set, any more than "refuting lies".
    He can post lies - but he's too dumb to realise that they are lies - and when people point out the defects in his assertions he imagines that it is they who are lying, and that reasserting the original nonsense in some sense refutes the correction. It
    doesn't but he doesn't know enough to realise this.

    --
    Bill Sloman, Sydney

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  • From Anthony William Sloman@21:1/5 to John Doe on Sun Apr 24 23:39:33 2022
    On Monday, April 25, 2022 at 4:15:44 PM UTC+10, John Doe wrote:
    Salon describes itself as "progressive" and "left-leaning".

    That doesn't make it "far left". John Doe seems to think anything to the left of Putin and Donald Trump is "far left". His efforts are devoted to distinguishing between the far right (not right enough) and the dementedly lunatic right which he touts and
    represents.

    <snip>

    --
    Bill Sloman, Sydney

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  • From John Doe@21:1/5 to All on Mon Apr 25 06:15:37 2022
    Salon describes itself as "progressive" and "left-leaning".

    But the textbook cannibal leftist Bozo attacks the publication because one
    of its authors disagrees with Bozo's opinion...



    Only neocons and liberals are gung ho for starting World War III...

    https://www.youtube.com/user/FoxNewsChannel/videos

    https://www.youtube.com/user/FoxBusinessNetwork/videos

    Search the page for videos about Ukraine and read the comments. Regular
    Fox News viewers (proving they are not sheep) are BASHING the heck out of
    Fox in the comment sections. It's a bloodbath. Similar happens to neocon Newsmax uploads about Ukraine...

    https://www.youtube.com/c/NewsmaxtvLive/videos




    Not so with neocons and liberal viewers, they eat it up...

    https://youtu.be/p3TA2BDpe74

    "Neocons leading the way: Greenwald...Glenn Greenwald tells 'The Ingraham Angle' that neocons seem to be the most beloved and admired and
    influential people within the Democratic Party."

    Glenn Greenwald is a liberal who graduated from NYU School of Law (1994)
    and The George Washington University (1990).

    https://www.salon.com/writer/glenn_greenwald

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  • From John Doe@21:1/5 to Cursitor Doom on Mon Apr 25 07:13:05 2022
    Cursitor Doom wrote:

    John Doe wrote:

    Lots of silly predictions in Newsweek and other mainstream media. World
    renowned diplomats have predicted the disaster Ukraine has become,
    spurred by NATO expansion to Russia's border countries.

    THAT is the core of the problem. We reneged on all the assurances we
    gave Russia after the USSR collapsed 30 years ago. Putin is now forced
    to act to prevent himself ending up in the exact same position as Jack Kennedy in the US back in '62 and only a brainwashed fool would be
    unable to understand that simple concept.

    This is so weird (good weird), when you go to MSNBC, their viewers'
    reactions are the OPPOSITE of Fox viewers...

    Unlike on MSNBC, this is the RULE whenever Fox uploads a neocon video...

    https://youtu.be/jsiRQ5XRyRM

    The top comments...

    Wow really happy this man isnt gonna be anywhere near the governors
    mansion.

    The 7 stages of grief:
    1- Denial <-- Zelensky is here
    2- Pain <-- Ukrainians are here
    3- Anger <-- Media and Mark Levin are here.

    Zelensky got his own people in a war with absolutely NOTHING to gain. His
    ego and foolishness blinded him nearly provoking a World War. He should go
    back to the negotiating table, talk and resolve matters NOW

    Very disappointed in mark Levin - the USA has had ENOUGH of the swamp wars

    Wondering if it was as sick as that of Iraq, Syria, Libya, Afghanistan,
    Yemen etc!

    This combat veteran is boasting about previous American invasions in all
    those countries and still has the nerve to condemn russia, as if their
    angels themselves

    Whats sicking is the average taxpayer filling the coffers of the military industrial complex. How about we try a new tactic send world leaders and politicians to kick off these wars with bankers in the rear, see how long
    these wars last

    and on and on and on...

    It's like that under every neocon Ukraine video Fox or Fox Business
    uploads. It's cool and refreshing. Those are not liberal trolls invading
    Fox space, or Russian bots. Those are regular Fox viewers (maybe not all Americans).

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  • From John Doe@21:1/5 to All on Mon Apr 25 07:19:12 2022
    Debating anything with a chronic liar is a waste of time. When you
    counter its lies, it simply makes up more lies to cover its prior lies.
    Its fiction never ends.


    Bozo Bill Sloman, the most frequent troll in this group, is an attention-craving chronic liar who cannot be reasoned with...

    "the user has posted under the same name in other places, so not
    nym-shifting" (Bozo sucks at logic)

    "the Mueller investigation was about Trump only because Trump made it so"
    (Bozo lying)

    "the concepts "male" and "female" are essentially social constructions"
    (Bozo being weird)

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  • From Anthony William Sloman@21:1/5 to John Doe on Mon Apr 25 00:45:32 2022
    On Monday, April 25, 2022 at 5:13:12 PM UTC+10, John Doe wrote:
    Cursitor Doom wrote:

    <snip>

    Zelensky got his own people in a war with absolutely NOTHING to gain.

    Putin did have something to do with it.

    His ego and foolishness blinded him nearly provoking a World War.

    John Doe really ought to be talking about Putin's ego and foolishness, but being a Putin glove-puppet prevents him from mentioning the obvious.

    He should go back to the negotiating table, talk and resolve matters NOW.

    And exhibit the degree of subservience that Putin demands and expects. The people who voted for Zelensky wouldn't be all that happy if Zelensky did that, but Putin glove-puppets don't worry about that - to them - irrelevant detail.

    Very disappointed in Mark Levin - the USA has had ENOUGH of the swamp wars.

    It isn't directly involved in this one.

    Wondering if it was as sick as that of Iraq, Syria, Libya, Afghanistan, Yemen etc!

    Most of them killed American servicemen. That's not an issue in the Ukraine.

    This combat veteran is boasting about previous American invasions in all those countries and still has the nerve to condemn Russia, as if they are angels themselves. By and large combat veterans don't get to pick the wars they fight in.

    What’s sicking is the average taxpayer filling the coffers of the military industrial complex. How about we try a new tactic send world leaders and politicians to kick off these wars with bankers in the rear, see how long these wars last…

    The world leaders are bit too old to make good combat troops. Wars are fought to be won, rather than to kill off inconvenient elements of the population.

    and on and on and on...

    It's like that under every neocon Ukraine video Fox or Fox Business
    uploads. It's cool and refreshing. Those are not liberal trolls invading
    Fox space, or Russian bots. Those are regular Fox viewers (maybe not all Americans).

    Rather dim right-wing lunatics - not a dim or lunatic as John Doe, but still silly enough to be sucked in by the Fox News offerings.

    Fox News needs a gullible idiot audience to offer to it's advertisers who need gullible idiots to buy their cheap rubbish.

    It's a business model, if not an attractive one.

    Rupert Murdoch had to become an American citizen to satisfy his bottom-feeding ambitions. Australia just didn't offer enough gullible idiots to let him make as much money as he could earn in America. I use the term earn loosely - he doesn't deserve the
    income he gets, and America doesn't deserve the damage he does, but that's America's problem, not ours.

    --
    Bill Sloman, Sydney

    --
    Bill Sloman, Sydney

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  • From Anthony William Sloman@21:1/5 to John Doe on Mon Apr 25 00:49:32 2022
    On Monday, April 25, 2022 at 5:19:18 PM UTC+10, John Doe wrote:
    Debating anything with a chronic liar is a waste of time. When you
    counter its lies, it simply makes up more lies to cover its prior lies.

    Not that John Doe could "debate" anything. It just rolls out the same demented delusions, and feels hurt when people point out how thoroughly demented they are. He hasn't got enough sense to realise quite how obviously demented they are. He wouldn't be a
    Putin glove puppet if he had.

    --
    Bill Sloman, Sydney

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  • From whit3rd@21:1/5 to John Doe on Mon Apr 25 02:44:13 2022
    On Monday, April 25, 2022 at 12:13:12 AM UTC-7, John Doe wrote:

    Zelensky got his own people in a war with absolutely NOTHING to gain. His
    ego and foolishness blinded him nearly provoking a World War. He should go back to the negotiating table, talk and resolve matters NOW

    Oh, you forgot the Nazis did it, AGAIN. That impugns the credibility of the Nazi
    scare, if even sycophants like John Doe point at a Jew and say
    "he did it". Get back to the Putin talking points quick, or he might put
    you on his list.

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  • From DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno@decadenc@21:1/5 to John Dope on Mon Apr 25 11:15:12 2022
    John Dope <always.look@message.header> wrote in news:t454dq$20v$1@dont- email.me:

    We do not have hypersonic missiles, but Russia sure does...


    Yes, we do, idiot.

    There are many things that John Dope failed to keep up with in his
    life. Being correct has always been his most difficult hurdle, and he
    still has yet to clear it.

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  • From jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com@21:1/5 to bitrex on Mon Apr 25 07:08:17 2022
    On Sun, 24 Apr 2022 20:32:53 -0400, bitrex <user@example.net> wrote:

    On 4/24/2022 5:21 PM, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
    On Sat, 23 Apr 2022 15:00:10 -0700, Don Y
    <blockedofcourse@foo.invalid> wrote:

    Perhaps, like all politicians, Putin knows The Inevitable and is
    looking for a distraction to stave it off -- for as long as possible?

    For a sampling (many hits):

    <https://www.eurointegration.com.ua/eng/news/2022/04/7/7137384/>

    <https://www.yahoo.com/news/russia-facing-outright-defeat-sudden-041309456.html>

    <https://www.newsweek.com/china-fears-russia-collapse-ukraine-taiwan-foreign-minister-joseph-wu-1693195>

    <https://www.aljazeera.com/opinions/2022/3/4/russias-looming-economic-crisis-will-be-worse-than-1991>

    <https://www.newconservativepost.com/2022/03/is-russia-on-the-brink-of-collapse/>

    "The worst appears yet to come from Putins confusion of Russia, which
    had a GDP the size of Texas before the war, with the former Russian Empire >>>from 100 years ago. As has been noted, even before the invasion, Russias >>> economic capabilities were hardly capable of sustaining an empire. Now, with
    foreign sanctions presiding over a plummeting Russian ruble, Russias economic
    standing has fallen further still. If measured at todays exchange rates, >>> Russias economy would be the 22nd largest in the world, with a gross domestic
    product (GDP) not much larger than the state of Ohios. How do you say
    Mississippi, here we come! in Russian?"

    And we know EVERYONE aspires to emulate Mississippi! Even Alabama!

    They don't seem to do anything very well.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sewhe0DqVao




    Surface combat ships become more as just high=priced sitting ducks each
    year. Even rag-tag militias can do serious damage as the USS Cole showed
    20 years ago.

    Tank, too.


    $4.3 billion for these,

    <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zumwalt-class_destroyer>

    <https://www.navytimes.com/news/your-navy/2016/11/22/destroyer-zumwalt-breaks-down-and-gets-tow-in-panama-canal/>

    Close-in defense compromised in favor of the dubiously-useful stealth.
    At least they're only building three as opposed to the original 20,
    still too many, the chances they could survive an attack like the one on
    the Moskva about 0%:

    <https://www.19fortyfive.com/2022/01/the-us-navys-zumwalt-stealth-destroyer-a-rusty-mess/>



    Given vertical takeoff/land planes and drones, we don't need gigantic
    gigabuck flattop targets. Lots of small carriers would be better.

    We probably don't need manned fighter planes at all.

    Smart swarms will change warfare forever.



    --

    I yam what I yam - Popeye

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  • From Jeroen Belleman@21:1/5 to jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com on Mon Apr 25 16:23:32 2022
    On 2022-04-25 16:08, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
    On Sun, 24 Apr 2022 20:32:53 -0400, bitrex <user@example.net> wrote:

    On 4/24/2022 5:21 PM, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
    On Sat, 23 Apr 2022 15:00:10 -0700, Don Y
    <blockedofcourse@foo.invalid> wrote:

    Perhaps, like all politicians, Putin knows The Inevitable and is
    looking for a distraction to stave it off -- for as long as possible?

    For a sampling (many hits):

    <https://www.eurointegration.com.ua/eng/news/2022/04/7/7137384/>

    <https://www.yahoo.com/news/russia-facing-outright-defeat-sudden-041309456.html>

    <https://www.newsweek.com/china-fears-russia-collapse-ukraine-taiwan-foreign-minister-joseph-wu-1693195>

    <https://www.aljazeera.com/opinions/2022/3/4/russias-looming-economic-crisis-will-be-worse-than-1991>

    <https://www.newconservativepost.com/2022/03/is-russia-on-the-brink-of-collapse/>

    "The worst appears yet to come from Putins confusion of Russia, which >>>> had a GDP the size of Texas before the war, with the former Russian Empire >>> >from 100 years ago. As has been noted, even before the invasion, Russias >>>> economic capabilities were hardly capable of sustaining an empire. Now, with
    foreign sanctions presiding over a plummeting Russian ruble, Russias economic
    standing has fallen further still. If measured at todays exchange rates, >>>> Russias economy would be the 22nd largest in the world, with a gross domestic
    product (GDP) not much larger than the state of Ohios. How do you say >>>> Mississippi, here we come! in Russian?"

    And we know EVERYONE aspires to emulate Mississippi! Even Alabama!

    They don't seem to do anything very well.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sewhe0DqVao




    Surface combat ships become more as just high=priced sitting ducks each
    year. Even rag-tag militias can do serious damage as the USS Cole showed
    20 years ago.

    Tank, too.


    $4.3 billion for these,

    <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zumwalt-class_destroyer>

    <https://www.navytimes.com/news/your-navy/2016/11/22/destroyer-zumwalt-breaks-down-and-gets-tow-in-panama-canal/>

    Close-in defense compromised in favor of the dubiously-useful stealth.
    At least they're only building three as opposed to the original 20,
    still too many, the chances they could survive an attack like the one on
    the Moskva about 0%:

    <https://www.19fortyfive.com/2022/01/the-us-navys-zumwalt-stealth-destroyer-a-rusty-mess/>



    Given vertical takeoff/land planes and drones, we don't need gigantic gigabuck flattop targets. Lots of small carriers would be better.

    We probably don't need manned fighter planes at all.

    Smart swarms will change warfare forever.

    Yes, and I'm sure your military can't wait to try those out on
    foreign soil.

    Jeroen Belleman

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  • From jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com@21:1/5 to bitrex on Mon Apr 25 07:20:54 2022
    On Sun, 24 Apr 2022 20:44:26 -0400, bitrex <user@example.net> wrote:

    On 4/23/2022 6:00 PM, Don Y wrote:
    Perhaps, like all politicians, Putin knows The Inevitable and is
    looking for a distraction to stave it off -- for as long as possible?

    For a sampling (many hits):

    <https://www.eurointegration.com.ua/eng/news/2022/04/7/7137384/>

    <https://www.yahoo.com/news/russia-facing-outright-defeat-sudden-041309456.html>


    <https://www.newsweek.com/china-fears-russia-collapse-ukraine-taiwan-foreign-minister-joseph-wu-1693195>


    <https://www.aljazeera.com/opinions/2022/3/4/russias-looming-economic-crisis-will-be-worse-than-1991>


    <https://www.newconservativepost.com/2022/03/is-russia-on-the-brink-of-collapse/>


    "The worst appears yet to come from Putins confusion of Russia, which
    had a GDP the size of Texas before the war, with the former Russian Empire >> from 100 years ago. As has been noted, even before the invasion, Russias >> economic capabilities were hardly capable of sustaining an empire. Now,
    with
    foreign sanctions presiding over a plummeting Russian ruble, Russias
    economic
    standing has fallen further still. If measured at todays exchange rates,
    Russias economy would be the 22nd largest in the world, with a gross
    domestic
    product (GDP) not much larger than the state of Ohios. How do you say
    Mississippi, here we come! in Russian?"

    And we know EVERYONE aspires to emulate Mississippi! Even Alabama!

    Yes, Russia was only capable of sustaining the lifestyles of the >Chicago-school economists and fat oligarchs they enabled in looting the >country after the fall of the Soviet Union.

    That market capitalism would've been able to provide an American-style >comfortable existence for all it citizens was a joke going in and they
    knew it, it was simply a pillaging exercise.

    Russia was making progress until lately.

    https://www.statista.com/statistics/263777/gross-domestic-product-gdp-per-capita-in-russia/

    although they still have about 1/4 the per-capita GDP of Alabama.




    --

    I yam what I yam - Popeye

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  • From jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com@21:1/5 to jeroen@nospam.please on Mon Apr 25 08:35:29 2022
    On Mon, 25 Apr 2022 16:23:32 +0200, Jeroen Belleman
    <jeroen@nospam.please> wrote:

    On 2022-04-25 16:08, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
    On Sun, 24 Apr 2022 20:32:53 -0400, bitrex <user@example.net> wrote:

    On 4/24/2022 5:21 PM, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
    On Sat, 23 Apr 2022 15:00:10 -0700, Don Y
    <blockedofcourse@foo.invalid> wrote:

    Perhaps, like all politicians, Putin knows The Inevitable and is
    looking for a distraction to stave it off -- for as long as possible? >>>>>
    For a sampling (many hits):

    <https://www.eurointegration.com.ua/eng/news/2022/04/7/7137384/>

    <https://www.yahoo.com/news/russia-facing-outright-defeat-sudden-041309456.html>

    <https://www.newsweek.com/china-fears-russia-collapse-ukraine-taiwan-foreign-minister-joseph-wu-1693195>

    <https://www.aljazeera.com/opinions/2022/3/4/russias-looming-economic-crisis-will-be-worse-than-1991>

    <https://www.newconservativepost.com/2022/03/is-russia-on-the-brink-of-collapse/>

    "The worst appears yet to come from Putins confusion of Russia, which >>>>> had a GDP the size of Texas before the war, with the former Russian Empire
    from 100 years ago. As has been noted, even before the invasion, Russias
    economic capabilities were hardly capable of sustaining an empire. Now, with
    foreign sanctions presiding over a plummeting Russian ruble, Russias economic
    standing has fallen further still. If measured at todays exchange rates, >>>>> Russias economy would be the 22nd largest in the world, with a gross domestic
    product (GDP) not much larger than the state of Ohios. How do you say >>>>> Mississippi, here we come! in Russian?"

    And we know EVERYONE aspires to emulate Mississippi! Even Alabama!

    They don't seem to do anything very well.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sewhe0DqVao




    Surface combat ships become more as just high=priced sitting ducks each
    year. Even rag-tag militias can do serious damage as the USS Cole showed >>> 20 years ago.

    Tank, too.


    $4.3 billion for these,

    <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zumwalt-class_destroyer>

    <https://www.navytimes.com/news/your-navy/2016/11/22/destroyer-zumwalt-breaks-down-and-gets-tow-in-panama-canal/>

    Close-in defense compromised in favor of the dubiously-useful stealth.
    At least they're only building three as opposed to the original 20,
    still too many, the chances they could survive an attack like the one on >>> the Moskva about 0%:

    <https://www.19fortyfive.com/2022/01/the-us-navys-zumwalt-stealth-destroyer-a-rusty-mess/>



    Given vertical takeoff/land planes and drones, we don't need gigantic
    gigabuck flattop targets. Lots of small carriers would be better.

    We probably don't need manned fighter planes at all.

    Smart swarms will change warfare forever.

    Yes, and I'm sure your military can't wait to try those out on
    foreign soil.

    Jeroen Belleman

    All militaries want to test their gear and their people; that's one
    reason they jump into conflicts. A lot of european countries are doing
    that right now.



    --

    I yam what I yam - Popeye

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  • From Jeroen Belleman@21:1/5 to jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com on Mon Apr 25 19:52:20 2022
    On 2022-04-25 17:35, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
    On Mon, 25 Apr 2022 16:23:32 +0200, Jeroen Belleman
    <jeroen@nospam.please> wrote:

    On 2022-04-25 16:08, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
    On Sun, 24 Apr 2022 20:32:53 -0400, bitrex <user@example.net> wrote:

    On 4/24/2022 5:21 PM, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
    On Sat, 23 Apr 2022 15:00:10 -0700, Don Y
    <blockedofcourse@foo.invalid> wrote:

    Perhaps, like all politicians, Putin knows The Inevitable and is
    looking for a distraction to stave it off -- for as long as possible? >>>>>>
    For a sampling (many hits):

    <https://www.eurointegration.com.ua/eng/news/2022/04/7/7137384/>

    <https://www.yahoo.com/news/russia-facing-outright-defeat-sudden-041309456.html>

    <https://www.newsweek.com/china-fears-russia-collapse-ukraine-taiwan-foreign-minister-joseph-wu-1693195>

    <https://www.aljazeera.com/opinions/2022/3/4/russias-looming-economic-crisis-will-be-worse-than-1991>

    <https://www.newconservativepost.com/2022/03/is-russia-on-the-brink-of-collapse/>

    "The worst appears yet to come from Putins confusion of Russia, which >>>>>> had a GDP the size of Texas before the war, with the former Russian Empire
    from 100 years ago. As has been noted, even before the invasion, Russias
    economic capabilities were hardly capable of sustaining an empire. Now, with
    foreign sanctions presiding over a plummeting Russian ruble, Russias economic
    standing has fallen further still. If measured at todays exchange rates,
    Russias economy would be the 22nd largest in the world, with a gross domestic
    product (GDP) not much larger than the state of Ohios. How do you say >>>>>> Mississippi, here we come! in Russian?"

    And we know EVERYONE aspires to emulate Mississippi! Even Alabama! >>>>>
    They don't seem to do anything very well.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sewhe0DqVao




    Surface combat ships become more as just high=priced sitting ducks each >>>> year. Even rag-tag militias can do serious damage as the USS Cole showed >>>> 20 years ago.

    Tank, too.


    $4.3 billion for these,

    <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zumwalt-class_destroyer>

    <https://www.navytimes.com/news/your-navy/2016/11/22/destroyer-zumwalt-breaks-down-and-gets-tow-in-panama-canal/>

    Close-in defense compromised in favor of the dubiously-useful stealth. >>>> At least they're only building three as opposed to the original 20,
    still too many, the chances they could survive an attack like the one on >>>> the Moskva about 0%:

    <https://www.19fortyfive.com/2022/01/the-us-navys-zumwalt-stealth-destroyer-a-rusty-mess/>



    Given vertical takeoff/land planes and drones, we don't need gigantic
    gigabuck flattop targets. Lots of small carriers would be better.

    We probably don't need manned fighter planes at all.

    Smart swarms will change warfare forever.

    Yes, and I'm sure your military can't wait to try those out on
    foreign soil.

    Jeroen Belleman

    All militaries want to test their gear and their people; that's one
    reason they jump into conflicts. A lot of european countries are doing
    that right now.


    Maybe. I always wonder if those conflicts weren't provoked for exactly
    that reason. This one sure has all the symptoms, as do the conflicts
    in the middle east, Afghanistan and Irak. That last one without even
    the shadow of a doubt.

    I don't think European nations might have had an interest in provoking
    this particular conflict, but I'm not so convinced about you guys. It's
    far from /your/ beds.

    Jeroen Belleman

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  • From Ed Lee@21:1/5 to Jeroen Belleman on Mon Apr 25 10:57:29 2022
    On Monday, April 25, 2022 at 10:52:33 AM UTC-7, Jeroen Belleman wrote:
    On 2022-04-25 17:35, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
    On Mon, 25 Apr 2022 16:23:32 +0200, Jeroen Belleman
    <jer...@nospam.please> wrote:

    On 2022-04-25 16:08, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
    On Sun, 24 Apr 2022 20:32:53 -0400, bitrex <us...@example.net> wrote: >>>
    On 4/24/2022 5:21 PM, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
    On Sat, 23 Apr 2022 15:00:10 -0700, Don Y
    <blocked...@foo.invalid> wrote:

    Perhaps, like all politicians, Putin knows The Inevitable and is >>>>>> looking for a distraction to stave it off -- for as long as possible? >>>>>>
    For a sampling (many hits):

    <https://www.eurointegration.com.ua/eng/news/2022/04/7/7137384/> >>>>>>
    <https://www.yahoo.com/news/russia-facing-outright-defeat-sudden-041309456.html>

    <https://www.newsweek.com/china-fears-russia-collapse-ukraine-taiwan-foreign-minister-joseph-wu-1693195>

    <https://www.aljazeera.com/opinions/2022/3/4/russias-looming-economic-crisis-will-be-worse-than-1991>

    <https://www.newconservativepost.com/2022/03/is-russia-on-the-brink-of-collapse/>

    "The worst appears yet to come from Putin’s confusion of Russia, which
    had a GDP the size of Texas before the war, with the former Russian Empire
    from 100 years ago. As has been noted, “even before the invasion, Russia’s
    economic capabilities were hardly capable of sustaining an empire. Now, with
    foreign sanctions presiding over a plummeting Russian ruble, Russia’s economic
    standing has fallen further still. If measured at today’s exchange rates,
    Russia’s economy would be the 22nd largest in the world, with a gross domestic
    product (GDP) not much larger than the state of Ohio’s.” How do you say
    “Mississippi, here we come!” in Russian?"

    And we know EVERYONE aspires to emulate Mississippi! Even Alabama! >>>>>
    They don't seem to do anything very well.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sewhe0DqVao




    Surface combat ships become more as just high=priced sitting ducks each >>>> year. Even rag-tag militias can do serious damage as the USS Cole showed
    20 years ago.

    Tank, too.


    $4.3 billion for these,

    <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zumwalt-class_destroyer>

    <https://www.navytimes.com/news/your-navy/2016/11/22/destroyer-zumwalt-breaks-down-and-gets-tow-in-panama-canal/>

    Close-in defense compromised in favor of the dubiously-useful stealth. >>>> At least they're only building three as opposed to the original 20, >>>> still too many, the chances they could survive an attack like the one on
    the Moskva about 0%:

    <https://www.19fortyfive.com/2022/01/the-us-navys-zumwalt-stealth-destroyer-a-rusty-mess/>



    Given vertical takeoff/land planes and drones, we don't need gigantic >>> gigabuck flattop targets. Lots of small carriers would be better.

    We probably don't need manned fighter planes at all.

    Smart swarms will change warfare forever.

    Yes, and I'm sure your military can't wait to try those out on
    foreign soil.

    Jeroen Belleman

    All militaries want to test their gear and their people; that's one
    reason they jump into conflicts. A lot of european countries are doing that right now.
    Maybe. I always wonder if those conflicts weren't provoked for exactly
    that reason. This one sure has all the symptoms, as do the conflicts
    in the middle east, Afghanistan and Irak. That last one without even
    the shadow of a doubt.

    I don't think European nations might have had an interest in provoking
    this particular conflict, but I'm not so convinced about you guys. It's
    far from /your/ beds.

    But what did we do to provoke this conflict, other than declaring that Ukrainians have right to live?

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  • From DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno@decadenc@21:1/5 to Jeroen Belleman on Mon Apr 25 18:13:19 2022
    Jeroen Belleman <jeroen@nospam.please> wrote in news:t46n4m$11lr$1@gioia.aioe.org:

    On 2022-04-25 17:35, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
    On Mon, 25 Apr 2022 16:23:32 +0200, Jeroen Belleman
    <jeroen@nospam.please> wrote:

    On 2022-04-25 16:08, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
    On Sun, 24 Apr 2022 20:32:53 -0400, bitrex <user@example.net>
    wrote:

    On 4/24/2022 5:21 PM, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com
    wrote:
    On Sat, 23 Apr 2022 15:00:10 -0700, Don Y
    <blockedofcourse@foo.invalid> wrote:

    Perhaps, like all politicians, Putin knows The Inevitable
    and is looking for a distraction to stave it off -- for as
    long as possible?

    For a sampling (many hits):

    <https://www.eurointegration.com.ua/eng/news/2022/04/7/713738


    <https://www.yahoo.com/news/russia-facing-outright-defeat-sud
    den-041309456.html>

    <https://www.newsweek.com/china-fears-russia-collapse-ukraine
    -taiwan-foreign-minister-joseph-wu-1693195>

    <https://www.aljazeera.com/opinions/2022/3/4/russias-looming-
    economic-crisis-will-be-worse-than-1991>

    <https://www.newconservativepost.com/2022/03/is-russia-on-the
    -brink-of-collapse/>

    "The worst appears yet to come from Putins confusion of
    Russia, which had a GDP the size of Texas before the war,
    with the former Russian Empire
    from 100 years ago. As has been noted, even before the
    invasion, Russias
    economic capabilities were hardly capable of sustaining an
    empire. Now, with foreign sanctions presiding over a
    plummeting Russian ruble, Russias economic standing has
    fallen further still. If measured at todays exchange rates,
    Russias economy would be the 22nd largest in the world,
    with a gross domestic product (GDP) not much larger than the
    state of Ohios. How do you say Mississippi, here we
    come! in Russian?"

    And we know EVERYONE aspires to emulate Mississippi! Even
    Alabama!

    They don't seem to do anything very well.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sewhe0DqVao




    Surface combat ships become more as just high=priced sitting
    ducks each year. Even rag-tag militias can do serious damage
    as the USS Cole showed 20 years ago.

    Tank, too.


    $4.3 billion for these,

    <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zumwalt-class_destroyer>

    <https://www.navytimes.com/news/your-navy/2016/11/22/destroyer-
    zumwalt-breaks-down-and-gets-tow-in-panama-canal/>

    Close-in defense compromised in favor of the dubiously-useful
    stealth. At least they're only building three as opposed to
    the original 20, still too many, the chances they could
    survive an attack like the one on the Moskva about 0%:

    <https://www.19fortyfive.com/2022/01/the-us-navys-zumwalt-steal
    th-destroyer-a-rusty-mess/>



    Given vertical takeoff/land planes and drones, we don't need
    gigantic gigabuck flattop targets. Lots of small carriers would
    be better.

    We probably don't need manned fighter planes at all.

    Smart swarms will change warfare forever.

    Yes, and I'm sure your military can't wait to try those out on
    foreign soil.

    Jeroen Belleman

    All militaries want to test their gear and their people; that's
    one reason they jump into conflicts. A lot of european countries
    are doing that right now.


    Maybe. I always wonder if those conflicts weren't provoked for
    exactly that reason. This one sure has all the symptoms, as do the
    conflicts in the middle east, Afghanistan and Irak. That last one
    without even the shadow of a doubt.

    I don't think European nations might have had an interest in
    provoking this particular conflict, but I'm not so convinced about
    you guys. It's far from /your/ beds.

    Jeroen Belleman



    I used to say that the Gulf War was a proving ground for our stelth capabilities AND our battle theater communications gear up against
    whatever technology level the Russians had Saddam up to at the time.

    We were ecstatic that our gear is orders of magnitude better than the
    Russian crap.

    Then the bastards and Assange, etc. hacked us and started trying to
    copy us as did China.

    In Afghanistan, we proved that old analog feedback panels used in the
    A-10 Warthogs was perfectly sufficient to obliterate any and all
    targets. Now we are pumping out the new A-10 (as opposed to canceling
    them) And they are even more advanced and more (precision level)
    deadly.

    In this arena, we get to check out some of our new gear, but the
    Britain's new anti-aircraft ground based (and manpad)missiles are
    amazingly fast and accurate in invulnerable to jamming and do not even
    care about chaff flares, etc.

    <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1NUoDLgvm8c>

    Elon Musk is talking about putting up space birds that attack other
    space birds. And even a grappler version (which I talked about
    literally decades ago).

    It is all heating up, and the rest of us will have whatever economy
    rambles through us as we watch yet again, while a nuclear arsenal
    weilding autocratic nation threatens the world and traipses around
    killing innocents as he lies to his people to get them behind him,
    leaving them unaware of any reality.

    And the big bad US and her allies have to stave off the assholes
    without pushing them to their points of wanting to push launch buttons.

    I now hope that we can put up birds with lasers and or rail guns to
    shoot any and all ICBMs and their MIRV warheads before they reach their apogees.

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  • From StupidAs StupidGet@21:1/5 to Ed Lee on Mon Apr 25 11:29:45 2022
    On Monday, April 25, 2022 at 11:22:00 AM UTC-7, Ed Lee wrote:
    On Monday, April 25, 2022 at 11:15:39 AM UTC-7, DecadentLinux...@decadence.org wrote:
    Ed Lee <edward....@gmail.com> wrote in news:0ce80f0d-5049-4214...@googlegroups.com:
    But what did we do to provoke this conflict, other than declaring
    that Ukrainians have right to live?
    We did NOTHING to provoke it, retarded, Trump Lie believing dumbshit!

    You ain't real bright, boy. Other than maybe knowing a bit about electronics. Your grasp of politics, much less global politics, rests firmly at NIL.
    Why are you japping at someone for saying something you agree with? In case you don't understand, i was saying that we did nothing to provoke this conflict.

    DecadentLinux is a total Freaking (FFF) Stupid (SSS) Crazy (CCC) Idiot. He only post meaningless youtube videos.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From bitrex@21:1/5 to Jeroen Belleman on Mon Apr 25 14:59:06 2022
    On 4/25/2022 10:23 AM, Jeroen Belleman wrote:

    Given vertical takeoff/land planes and drones, we don't need gigantic
    gigabuck flattop targets. Lots of small carriers would be better.

    We probably don't need manned fighter planes at all.

    Smart swarms will change warfare forever.

    Yes, and I'm sure your military can't wait to try those out on
    foreign soil.

    Jeroen Belleman

    The US track record in the past 70 years is two losses (Vietnam,
    Afghanistan) and two bloody stalemates (Korea, Iraq), given such poor performance it's surprising American citizens are willing to give it any
    money at all.

    But under Biden it's getting the most money ever, no surprises there
    defense budgets only go up. The money tends to only be good in practice
    for enriching people who are fabulously wealthy already, and developing
    tech that can only win "wars" against American citizens themselves.

    Regrettably well over 50% of the population seems to prefer it that way.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From Ed Lee@21:1/5 to DecadentLinux...@decadence.org on Mon Apr 25 11:21:56 2022
    On Monday, April 25, 2022 at 11:15:39 AM UTC-7, DecadentLinux...@decadence.org wrote:
    Ed Lee <edward....@gmail.com> wrote in news:0ce80f0d-5049-4214...@googlegroups.com:
    But what did we do to provoke this conflict, other than declaring
    that Ukrainians have right to live?
    We did NOTHING to provoke it, retarded, Trump Lie believing dumbshit!

    You ain't real bright, boy. Other than maybe knowing a bit about
    electronics. Your grasp of politics, much less global politics, rests
    firmly at NIL.

    Why are you japping at someone for saying something you agree with? In case you don't understand, i was saying that we did nothing to provoke this conflict.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From bitrex@21:1/5 to jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com on Mon Apr 25 15:08:13 2022
    On 4/25/2022 10:20 AM, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:

    "The worst appears yet to come from Putin’s confusion of Russia, which >>> had a GDP the size of Texas before the war, with the former Russian Empire >>> from 100 years ago. As has been noted, “even before the invasion, Russia’s
    economic capabilities were hardly capable of sustaining an empire. Now,
    with
    foreign sanctions presiding over a plummeting Russian ruble, Russia’s
    economic
    standing has fallen further still. If measured at today’s exchange rates, >>> Russia’s economy would be the 22nd largest in the world, with a gross
    domestic
    product (GDP) not much larger than the state of Ohio’s.” How do you say >>> “Mississippi, here we come!” in Russian?"

    And we know EVERYONE aspires to emulate Mississippi!  Even Alabama!

    Yes, Russia was only capable of sustaining the lifestyles of the
    Chicago-school economists and fat oligarchs they enabled in looting the
    country after the fall of the Soviet Union.

    That market capitalism would've been able to provide an American-style
    comfortable existence for all it citizens was a joke going in and they
    knew it, it was simply a pillaging exercise.

    Russia was making progress until lately.

    https://www.statista.com/statistics/263777/gross-domestic-product-gdp-per-capita-in-russia/

    although they still have about 1/4 the per-capita GDP of Alabama.

    Even Putin seems to have been at least momentarily surprised that his
    advisors and "friends" were robbing him blind to line their pickets &
    telling him what he wanted to hear most of the time. "Oh yes comra...er,
    Mr. President, we use money make very good tank force! Best in world, of course. We take much care to eliminate all corruption in procurement
    process."

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From bitrex@21:1/5 to bitrex on Mon Apr 25 15:09:27 2022
    On 4/25/2022 3:08 PM, bitrex wrote:
    On 4/25/2022 10:20 AM, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:

    "The worst appears yet to come from Putin’s confusion of Russia, which >>>> had a GDP the size of Texas before the war, with the former Russian
    Empire
    from 100 years ago. As has been noted, “even before the invasion,
    Russia’s
    economic capabilities were hardly capable of sustaining an empire. Now, >>>> with
    foreign sanctions presiding over a plummeting Russian ruble, Russia’s >>>> economic
    standing has fallen further still. If measured at today’s exchange
    rates,
    Russia’s economy would be the 22nd largest in the world, with a gross >>>> domestic
    product (GDP) not much larger than the state of Ohio’s.” How do you say
    “Mississippi, here we come!” in Russian?"

    And we know EVERYONE aspires to emulate Mississippi!  Even Alabama!

    Yes, Russia was only capable of sustaining the lifestyles of the
    Chicago-school economists and fat oligarchs they enabled in looting the
    country after the fall of the Soviet Union.

    That market capitalism would've been able to provide an American-style
    comfortable existence for all it citizens was a joke going in and they
    knew it, it was simply a pillaging exercise.

    Russia was making progress until lately.

    https://www.statista.com/statistics/263777/gross-domestic-product-gdp-per-capita-in-russia/


    although they still have about 1/4 the per-capita GDP of Alabama.

    Even Putin seems to have been at least momentarily surprised that his advisors and "friends" were robbing him blind to line their pickets

    line their pockets, rather, they didn't do much picketing I expect

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  • From DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno@decadenc@21:1/5 to Ed Lee on Mon Apr 25 18:15:33 2022
    Ed Lee <edward.ming.lee@gmail.com> wrote in news:0ce80f0d-5049-4214-9c43-67f5201ec5e7n@googlegroups.com:

    But what did we do to provoke this conflict, other than declaring
    that Ukrainians have right to live?

    We did NOTHING to provoke it, retarded, Trump Lie believing dumbshit!

    You ain't real bright, boy. Other than maybe knowing a bit about electronics. Your grasp of politics, much less global politics, rests
    firmly at NIL.

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  • From DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno@decadenc@21:1/5 to Ed Lee on Mon Apr 25 20:11:00 2022
    Ed Lee <edward.ming.lee@gmail.com> wrote in news:9959ea79-e665-4881-9449-ae1e50e881ean@googlegroups.com:

    On Monday, April 25, 2022 at 11:15:39 AM UTC-7, DecadentLinux...@decadence.org wrote:
    Ed Lee <edward....@gmail.com> wrote in
    news:0ce80f0d-5049-4214...@googlegroups.com:
    But what did we do to provoke this conflict, other than
    declaring that Ukrainians have right to live?
    We did NOTHING to provoke it, retarded, Trump Lie believing
    dumbshit!

    You ain't real bright, boy. Other than maybe knowing a bit about
    electronics. Your grasp of politics, much less global politics,
    rests firmly at NIL.

    Why are you japping at someone for saying something you agree
    with? In case you don't understand, i was saying that we did
    nothing to provoke this conflict.


    English problems again? Your "other than" segment states
    otherwise.

    Jap that. And the word is YAPPING not "japping".

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  • From StupidAs StupidGet@21:1/5 to Decadent on Mon Apr 25 13:31:01 2022
    On Monday, April 25, 2022 at 1:11:07 PM UTC-7, Decadent Linux...@decadence.org wrote:
    Ed Lee <edward....@gmail.com> wrote in news:9959ea79-e665-4881...@googlegroups.com:
    On Monday, April 25, 2022 at 11:15:39 AM UTC-7, DecadentLinux...@decadence.org wrote:
    Ed Lee <edward....@gmail.com> wrote in
    news:0ce80f0d-5049-4214...@googlegroups.com:
    But what did we do to provoke this conflict, other than
    declaring that Ukrainians have right to live?
    We did NOTHING to provoke it, retarded, Trump Lie believing
    dumbshit!

    You ain't real bright, boy. Other than maybe knowing a bit about
    electronics. Your grasp of politics, much less global politics,
    rests firmly at NIL.

    Why are you japping at someone for saying something you agree
    with? In case you don't understand, i was saying that we did
    nothing to provoke this conflict.

    English problems again? Your "other than" segment states
    otherwise.

    So, "Freedom to Live" is provocation for military conflict? Ed Lee may be opinionated, DecadentLinux is STUPID.

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  • From StupidAs StupidGet@21:1/5 to DecadentLinux...@decadence.org on Mon Apr 25 13:18:29 2022
    On Monday, April 25, 2022 at 1:11:07 PM UTC-7, DecadentLinux...@decadence.org wrote:
    Ed Lee <edward....@gmail.com> wrote in news:9959ea79-e665-4881...@googlegroups.com:
    On Monday, April 25, 2022 at 11:15:39 AM UTC-7, DecadentLinux...@decadence.org wrote:
    Ed Lee <edward....@gmail.com> wrote in
    news:0ce80f0d-5049-4214...@googlegroups.com:
    But what did we do to provoke this conflict, other than
    declaring that Ukrainians have right to live?
    We did NOTHING to provoke it, retarded, Trump Lie believing
    dumbshit!

    You ain't real bright, boy. Other than maybe knowing a bit about
    electronics. Your grasp of politics, much less global politics,
    rests firmly at NIL.

    Why are you japping at someone for saying something you agree
    with? In case you don't understand, i was saying that we did
    nothing to provoke this conflict.

    English problems again? Your "other than" segment states
    otherwise.

    Jap that. And the word is YAPPING not "japping".

    https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=japping

    You are Silly Stupid Stubborn (SSS) Freaking Foul Fool (FFF) idiot.

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  • From jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com@21:1/5 to bitrex on Mon Apr 25 19:55:10 2022
    On Mon, 25 Apr 2022 15:08:13 -0400, bitrex <user@example.net> wrote:

    On 4/25/2022 10:20 AM, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:

    "The worst appears yet to come from Putins confusion of Russia, which >>>> had a GDP the size of Texas before the war, with the former Russian Empire >>>> from 100 years ago. As has been noted, even before the invasion, Russias >>>> economic capabilities were hardly capable of sustaining an empire. Now, >>>> with
    foreign sanctions presiding over a plummeting Russian ruble, Russias
    economic
    standing has fallen further still. If measured at todays exchange rates, >>>> Russias economy would be the 22nd largest in the world, with a gross
    domestic
    product (GDP) not much larger than the state of Ohios. How do you say >>>> Mississippi, here we come! in Russian?"

    And we know EVERYONE aspires to emulate Mississippi! Even Alabama!

    Yes, Russia was only capable of sustaining the lifestyles of the
    Chicago-school economists and fat oligarchs they enabled in looting the
    country after the fall of the Soviet Union.

    That market capitalism would've been able to provide an American-style
    comfortable existence for all it citizens was a joke going in and they
    knew it, it was simply a pillaging exercise.

    Russia was making progress until lately.

    https://www.statista.com/statistics/263777/gross-domestic-product-gdp-per-capita-in-russia/

    although they still have about 1/4 the per-capita GDP of Alabama.

    Even Putin seems to have been at least momentarily surprised that his >advisors and "friends" were robbing him blind to line their pickets &
    telling him what he wanted to hear most of the time. "Oh yes comra...er,
    Mr. President, we use money make very good tank force! Best in world, of >course. We take much care to eliminate all corruption in procurement >process."

    The Russians are better off under a corrupt kleptocracy than they were
    under communism. The oligarchs realize that a reasonably free economy
    creates more to steal.

    The Chinese realized that too.



    --

    I yam what I yam - Popeye

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  • From Anthony William Sloman@21:1/5 to jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com on Mon Apr 25 21:56:11 2022
    On Tuesday, April 26, 2022 at 12:55:20 PM UTC+10, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
    On Mon, 25 Apr 2022 15:08:13 -0400, bitrex <us...@example.net> wrote:

    On 4/25/2022 10:20 AM, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:

    "The worst appears yet to come from Putin’s confusion of Russia, which
    had a GDP the size of Texas before the war, with the former Russian Empire
    from 100 years ago. As has been noted, “even before the invasion, Russia’s
    economic capabilities were hardly capable of sustaining an empire. Now, >>>> with
    foreign sanctions presiding over a plummeting Russian ruble, Russia’s >>>> economic
    standing has fallen further still. If measured at today’s exchange rates,
    Russia’s economy would be the 22nd largest in the world, with a gross >>>> domestic
    product (GDP) not much larger than the state of Ohio’s.” How do you say
    “Mississippi, here we come!” in Russian?"

    And we know EVERYONE aspires to emulate Mississippi! Even Alabama!

    Yes, Russia was only capable of sustaining the lifestyles of the
    Chicago-school economists and fat oligarchs they enabled in looting the >>> country after the fall of the Soviet Union.

    That market capitalism would've been able to provide an American-style >>> comfortable existence for all it citizens was a joke going in and they >>> knew it, it was simply a pillaging exercise.

    Russia was making progress until lately.

    https://www.statista.com/statistics/263777/gross-domestic-product-gdp-per-capita-in-russia/

    although they still have about 1/4 the per-capita GDP of Alabama.

    Even Putin seems to have been at least momentarily surprised that his >advisors and "friends" were robbing him blind to line their pickets & >telling him what he wanted to hear most of the time. "Oh yes comra...er, >Mr. President, we use money make very good tank force! Best in world, of >course. We take much care to eliminate all corruption in procurement >process."

    The Russians are better off under a corrupt kleptocracy than they were
    under communism. The oligarchs realize that a reasonably free economy creates more to steal.

    The Chinese realized that too.

    That's not the way I read that graph. Russian GDP peaked 2013 at $15,942.41 per head. It then dropped precipitously to $8,723.52 in 2016 and has crept up since then to $11.664.62 in 2022. Since the graph then proceeds to tell us where they will get to in
    2026, it's not all that reliable,

    The world bank graph looks much the same, and since it stops in 2020 it is a trifle more credible.

    https://data.worldbank.org/indicator/NY.GDP.MKTP.CD?locations=RU

    Putin annexed the Crimea in 2014, and fostered separatist movements in the Donbas, which included sending a Russian army anti-aircaft unit into Donbas where it shot down a international flight before going back to Russia.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malaysia_Airlines_Flight_17

    None of that did the Russian economy any good. Having a bunch of criminals in charge of the country doesn't help international trade.

    Stealing stuff outside your own borders isn't a particularly good idea. Shooting down other people's aircraft is even worse. Your economy has to cope with the sanctions that this kind of behavior provokes. China hasn't been quite as obviously criminal,
    but then again they have more to lose.

    --
    Bill Sloman, Sydney

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  • From John Doe@21:1/5 to All on Tue Apr 26 06:58:23 2022
    Those were Fox News viewers' comments, down until the "and on and on and
    on..."

    I don't necessarily agree with all of them.

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  • From Jasen Betts@21:1/5 to John Doe on Tue Apr 26 10:16:28 2022
    On 2022-04-24, John Doe <always.look@message.header> wrote:
    Lots of propaganda, most of it before Russia demanded rubles for its gas exports. Europe submitted to Russia's rubles for gas demand, and now the ruble is higher than its prewar level.

    Lots of silly predictions in Newsweek and other mainstream media. World renowned diplomats have predicted the disaster Ukraine has become, spurred
    by NATO expansion to Russia's border countries. But who needs history,
    clowns in the mainstream media is the best place for information!

    Only neocons and liberals are for arming Ukraine. The rest of us Americans are for defending our own borders. We didn't even know what Ukraine was before the war, except "10% for the big guy" and an old Beatles song.

    It's a circus. Support for Ukraine is inversely proportional to support
    for Donald Trump. Everybody who is fawning over Ukraine, as if it were The Holy Land, hates Donald Trump. It's no coincidence that Ukrainian
    officials and media worked HARD for the New World Order and to defeat
    Trump in 2016. All sorts of fun stuff, possibly that, coming up in the
    John Durham report.

    The likelihood of major Durham indictments is much greater. Rodney Joffe might be spending the last part of his life in prison.


    Are you posting this to distract from what is happening elswhere in the courts like how Alex Jones is getting his arse handed to him in a string of civil suits, and the ongoing indictment of insurrectionists.

    --
    Jasen.

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  • From Anthony William Sloman@21:1/5 to John Doe on Tue Apr 26 04:39:02 2022
    On Tuesday, April 26, 2022 at 4:58:30 PM UTC+10, John Doe wrote:
    On Monday April 25, 2022, at 7:44:18 PM Whiut3rd wrote:
    On Monday, April 25, 2022 at 12:13:12 AM UTC-7, John Doe wrote:

    <snip>

    Zelensky got his own people in a war with absolutely NOTHING to gain. His
    ego and foolishness blinded him nearly provoking a World War. He should go
    back to the negotiating table, talk and resolve matters NOW

    Oh, you forgot the Nazis did it, AGAIN. That impugns the credibility of the Nazi scare, if even sycophants like John Doe point at a Jew and say"he did it". Get back to the Putin talking points quick, or he might put you on his list.

    Those were Fox News viewers' comments, down until the "and on and on and on..."

    I don't necessarily agree with all of them.

    John Doe snipped all the context from his post. I had to go to eternal september to find out what he had tagged his post onto.

    He clearly wasn't reacting to Whit3rd's post. When he claims that the idiot responses that he did post were "Fox News viewers' comments" he seems to be thinking that re-posting other people's idiocies absolves the poster from any responsibility for the
    stupid ideas expressed.It doesn't work that way. If a right wing idiot collects and reposts idiocies from other right-wing idiots, he just looks like any other right-wing idiot.

    And John Doe looks very like the archetype of right-wing idiot. Flyguy is even more idiotic, but not quite so reliably right-wing.

    --
    Bill Sloman, Sydney

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  • From Flyguy@21:1/5 to bill....@ieee.org on Tue Apr 26 22:58:27 2022
    On Sunday, April 24, 2022 at 9:27:51 PM UTC-7, bill....@ieee.org wrote:
    On Monday, April 25, 2022 at 11:28:44 AM UTC+10, John Doe wrote:
    Cursitor Doom wrote:
    John Doe wrote:

    Lots of propaganda, most of it before Russia demanded rubles for its
    gas exports. Europe submitted to Russia's rubles for gas demand, and
    now the ruble is higher than its prewar level.

    Lots of silly predictions in Newsweek and other mainstream media. World >> renowned diplomats have predicted the disaster Ukraine has become,
    spurred by NATO expansion to Russia's border countries.

    THAT is the core of the problem. We reneged on all the assurances we
    gave Russia after the USSR collapsed 30 years ago. Putin is now forced
    to act to prevent himself ending up in the exact same position as Jack Kennedy in the US back in '62 and only a brainwashed fool would be
    unable to understand that simple concept.
    For a good time, check out Fox News's channel...

    https://www.youtube.com/user/FoxNewsChannel/videos

    Or even their business channel...

    https://www.youtube.com/user/FoxBusinessNetwork/videos

    Search the page for videos about Ukraine and read the comments. Regular
    Fox News viewers are BASHING the heck out of them in the comment sections. It's a bloodbath. Similar thing happens with neocon Newsmax uploads...

    https://www.youtube.com/c/NewsmaxtvLive/videos

    Most Americans and probably most non-neocon non-liberal Europeans are against participating in that war.

    John Doe is a lunatic. His idea of "most Americans" includes only the lunatic fringe that is nearly as silly as he is.

    https://www.pewresearch.org/politics/2022/03/15/public-expresses-mixed-views-of-u-s-response-to-russias-invasion-of-ukraine/

    Apparently some 33% of Americans favour direct US intervention even at the risk of a nuclear response from Russia, so there seem to be quite few left-wing lunatics in the US.
    Or perhaps they think that Putin is sane enough to recognise the certainty that Russia would be wiped out in such an exchange. It's not an assumption I'd be happy to make.
    42% of Americans do think that the US isn't doing enough to support the Ukraine.

    --
    SNIPPERMAN, Sydney

    So says the idiot who wants to NUKE and FIREBOMB his OWN COUNTRY!

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  • From Anthony William Sloman@21:1/5 to Flyguy on Wed Apr 27 06:56:23 2022
    On Wednesday, April 27, 2022 at 3:58:31 PM UTC+10, Flyguy wrote:
    On Sunday, April 24, 2022 at 9:27:51 PM UTC-7, bill....@ieee.org wrote:
    On Monday, April 25, 2022 at 11:28:44 AM UTC+10, John Doe wrote:
    Cursitor Doom wrote:
    John Doe wrote:

    <snip>

    Most Americans and probably most non-neocon non-liberal Europeans are against participating in that war.

    John Doe is a lunatic. His idea of "most Americans" includes only the lunatic fringe that is nearly as silly as he is.

    https://www.pewresearch.org/politics/2022/03/15/public-expresses-mixed-views-of-u-s-response-to-russias-invasion-of-ukraine/

    Apparently some 33% of Americans favour direct US intervention even at the risk of a nuclear response from Russia, so there seem to be quite few left-wing lunatics in the US.
    Or perhaps they think that Putin is sane enough to recognise the certainty that Russia would be wiped out in such an exchange. It's not an assumption I'd be happy to make.
    42% of Americans do think that the US isn't doing enough to support the Ukraine.

    So says the idiot who wants to NUKE and FIREBOMB his OWN COUNTRY!

    No, that's what Pew Research says they think. My part was contrasting what John Doe said about American opinion, with what the people who go out and and sample it say.

    Flyguy is clearly deep into senile dementia, so he didn't notice this. His ideas about what I have proposed to do to my own country are no less demented.

    --
    Bill Sloman, Sydney

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  • From John Doe@21:1/5 to All on Thu Apr 28 03:50:08 2022
    Bozo.


    Bozo Bill Sloman, the most frequent troll in this group, is an attention-craving chronic liar who cannot be reasoned with...

    "the user has posted under the same name in other places, so not
    nym-shifting" (Bozo sucks at logic)

    "the Mueller investigation was about Trump only because Trump made it so"
    (Bozo lying)

    "the concepts "male" and "female" are essentially social constructions"
    (Bozo being weird)

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  • From John Doe@21:1/5 to Jasen Betts on Thu Apr 28 03:56:40 2022
    Jasen Betts <usenet@revmaps.no-ip.org> wrote:

    John Doe wrote:

    Lots of propaganda, most of it before Russia demanded rubles for its
    gas exports. Europe submitted to Russia's rubles for gas demand, and
    now the ruble is higher than its prewar level.

    Lots of silly predictions in Newsweek and other mainstream media. World
    renowned diplomats have predicted the disaster Ukraine has become,
    spurred by NATO expansion to Russia's border countries. But who needs
    history, clowns in the mainstream media is the best place for
    information!

    Only neocons and liberals are for arming Ukraine. The rest of us
    Americans are for defending our own borders. We didn't even know what
    Ukraine was before the war, except "10% for the big guy" and an old
    Beatles song.

    It's a circus. Support for Ukraine is inversely proportional to support
    for Donald Trump. Everybody who is fawning over Ukraine, as if it were
    The Holy Land, hates Donald Trump. It's no coincidence that Ukrainian
    officials and media worked HARD for the New World Order and to defeat
    Trump in 2016. All sorts of fun stuff, possibly that, coming up in the
    John Durham report.

    The likelihood of major Durham indictments is much greater. Rodney
    Joffe might be spending the last part of his life in prison.

    Are you posting this to distract from what is happening elswhere in the courts like how Alex Jones is getting his arse handed to him in a string
    of civil suits, and the ongoing indictment of insurrectionists.

    Alex Jones had a YouTube channel? Likely "Jasen Betts" knows more about Alex Jones than I do... lol. Don't really know who he is, don't really care.

    Just like the guy with the horns. Never even saw the guy before the cannibal left made a big deal about him.

    I'm learning an awful lot about Hillary Clinton's Deep State lawyers and high-tech allies.

    I am a PC techie since the beginning. But people need to be aware that
    revolts among common people can happen, and all their cool stuff gets taken away. Never underestimate stupid people in large numbers.

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  • From Anthony William Sloman@21:1/5 to John Doe on Wed Apr 27 21:52:59 2022
    On Thursday, April 28, 2022 at 1:56:47 PM UTC+10, John Doe wrote:
    Jasen Betts <use...@revmaps.no-ip.org> wrote:
    John Doe wrote:

    <snip>

    I'm learning an awful lot about Hillary Clinton's Deep State lawyers and high-tech allies.

    He means that he is being spoon fed a lot of nonsense by people whose business it is to try to drum up support amongst idiots.

    I am a PC techie since the beginning.

    The personal computer showed up in the early 1980's. In the beginning computers were built with valves, and the first ones I used were built with discrete transistors, like the PDP8 I was using around 1967. That got up-dated as the PDP8I which did use
    some integrated circuits.

    Whatever "beginning" John Doe thinks he was in on, he's still a Johnny-lately, and too dim to realise it.

    But people need to be aware that revolts among common people can happen, and all their cool stuff gets taken away. Never underestimate stupid people in large numbers.

    Nobody does. But machine guns make mincemeat of them. Donald Trump managed to mobilise a lot of morons to invade the Capitol building. They didn't achieve anything. beyond showing up Donald Trump as the irresponsible moron that he's always been.

    --
    Bill Sloman, Sydney

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  • From Flyguy@21:1/5 to bill....@ieee.org on Wed Apr 27 22:42:33 2022
    On Tuesday, April 26, 2022 at 4:39:07 AM UTC-7, bill....@ieee.org wrote:
    On Tuesday, April 26, 2022 at 4:58:30 PM UTC+10, John Doe wrote:
    On Monday April 25, 2022, at 7:44:18 PM Whiut3rd wrote:
    On Monday, April 25, 2022 at 12:13:12 AM UTC-7, John Doe wrote:
    <snip>
    Zelensky got his own people in a war with absolutely NOTHING to gain. His
    ego and foolishness blinded him nearly provoking a World War. He should go
    back to the negotiating table, talk and resolve matters NOW

    Oh, you forgot the Nazis did it, AGAIN. That impugns the credibility of the Nazi scare, if even sycophants like John Doe point at a Jew and say"he did it". Get back to the Putin talking points quick, or he might put you on his list.

    Those were Fox News viewers' comments, down until the "and on and on and on..."

    I don't necessarily agree with all of them.
    John Doe snipped all the context from his post. I had to go to eternal september to find out what he had tagged his post onto.

    He clearly wasn't reacting to Whit3rd's post. When he claims that the idiot responses that he did post were "Fox News viewers' comments" he seems to be thinking that re-posting other people's idiocies absolves the poster from any responsibility for the
    stupid ideas expressed.It doesn't work that way. If a right wing idiot collects and reposts idiocies from other right-wing idiots, he just looks like any other right-wing idiot.

    And John Doe looks very like the archetype of right-wing idiot. Flyguy is even more idiotic, but not quite so reliably right-wing.

    --
    SNIPPERMAN, Sydney

    LOL! SNIPPERMAN complains about someone else SNIPPING their post!! SWEET!!!

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  • From Flyguy@21:1/5 to bill....@ieee.org on Wed Apr 27 22:47:43 2022
    On Wednesday, April 27, 2022 at 9:53:03 PM UTC-7, bill....@ieee.org wrote:
    On Thursday, April 28, 2022 at 1:56:47 PM UTC+10, John Doe wrote:
    Jasen Betts <use...@revmaps.no-ip.org> wrote:
    John Doe wrote:
    <snip>
    I'm learning an awful lot about Hillary Clinton's Deep State lawyers and high-tech allies.
    He means that he is being spoon fed a lot of nonsense by people whose business it is to try to drum up support amongst idiots.

    Hardly, SNIPPERMAN. There is MUCH detail in the Sussman indictment.

    I am a PC techie since the beginning.
    The personal computer showed up in the early 1980's. In the beginning computers were built with valves, and the first ones I used were built with discrete transistors, like the PDP8 I was using around 1967. That got up-dated as the PDP8I which did use
    some integrated circuits.

    Whatever "beginning" John Doe thinks he was in on, he's still a Johnny-lately, and too dim to realise it.

    Did you ever hear of the ALWAC III-E, SNIPPERMAN? I used it.

    But people need to be aware that revolts among common people can happen, and all their cool stuff gets taken away. Never underestimate stupid people in large numbers.
    Nobody does. But machine guns make mincemeat of them. Donald Trump managed to mobilise a lot of morons to invade the Capitol building. They didn't achieve anything. beyond showing up Donald Trump as the irresponsible moron that he's always been.

    Not those that are armed - hunters make excellent snipers, fool.


    --
    SNIPPERMAN, Sydney

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  • From John Doe@21:1/5 to All on Thu Apr 28 05:18:24 2022
    *our cool stuff...

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  • From John Doe@21:1/5 to Flyguy on Thu Apr 28 06:12:22 2022
    Flyguy wrote:

    SNIPPERMAN complains about someone else SNIPPING their post!!

    Besides, the prior post had snipped the context, quoting it was counterproductive.

    Bozo thinks its "right to reply" trolling matters.

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  • From Anthony William Sloman@21:1/5 to Flyguy on Thu Apr 28 10:12:19 2022
    On Thursday, April 28, 2022 at 3:42:37 PM UTC+10, Flyguy wrote:
    On Tuesday, April 26, 2022 at 4:39:07 AM UTC-7, bill....@ieee.org wrote:
    On Tuesday, April 26, 2022 at 4:58:30 PM UTC+10, John Doe wrote:
    On Monday April 25, 2022, at 7:44:18 PM Whiut3rd wrote:
    On Monday, April 25, 2022 at 12:13:12 AM UTC-7, John Doe wrote:
    <snip>
    Zelensky got his own people in a war with absolutely NOTHING to gain. His
    ego and foolishness blinded him nearly provoking a World War. He should go
    back to the negotiating table, talk and resolve matters NOW

    Oh, you forgot the Nazis did it, AGAIN. That impugns the credibility of the Nazi scare, if even sycophants like John Doe point at a Jew and say"he did it". Get back to the Putin talking points quick, or he might put you on his list.

    Those were Fox News viewers' comments, down until the "and on and on and on..."

    I don't necessarily agree with all of them.
    John Doe snipped all the context from his post. I had to go to eternal september to find out what he had tagged his post onto.

    He clearly wasn't reacting to Whit3rd's post. When he claims that the idiot responses that he did post were "Fox News viewers' comments" he seems to be thinking that re-posting other people's idiocies absolves the poster from any responsibility for
    the stupid ideas expressed.It doesn't work that way. If a right wing idiot collects and reposts idiocies from other right-wing idiots, he just looks like any other right-wing idiot.

    And John Doe looks very like the archetype of right-wing idiot. Flyguy is even more idiotic, but not quite so reliably right-wing.

    LOL! Sloman complains about someone else SNIPPING their post!! SWEET!!!

    Flyguy misses the point by the usual country mile.

    When I went to eternal september I could see exactly which post in the thread John Doe had tagged his post onto.

    The joke was that John Doe clearly wasn't reacting to that post. This wasn't any kind of snipping. He was just too idle to find the post he did want to react to, and tagged his reaction onto a different part of the thread and snipped the comment to
    which he was formally responding.

    This forum is supposed to be about conversations. John Doe doesn't understand this at all.

    Flyguy sort of does, but since he's too dim to understand what he's reacting to, the effect is much the same.

    --
    Bill Sloman, Sydney

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  • From Anthony William Sloman@21:1/5 to John Doe on Thu Apr 28 10:44:04 2022
    On Thursday, April 28, 2022 at 4:12:31 PM UTC+10, John Doe wrote:
    Flyguy wrote:

    SNIPPERMAN complains about someone else SNIPPING their post!!

    Besides, the prior post had snipped the context, quoting it was counterproductive.

    Since John Doe wasn't actually replying to the post he'd tagged his post onto, quoting any of it would indeed have been counterproductive.
    Then again, since John Doe's posts are about a far from being constructive as you can get, anything he posts is counterproductive.

    <snipped the even sillier concluding irrelevancy>

    --
    Bill Sloman, Sydney

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  • From Anthony William Sloman@21:1/5 to Flyguy on Thu Apr 28 10:38:22 2022
    On Thursday, April 28, 2022 at 3:47:47 PM UTC+10, Flyguy wrote:
    On Wednesday, April 27, 2022 at 9:53:03 PM UTC-7, bill....@ieee.org wrote:
    On Thursday, April 28, 2022 at 1:56:47 PM UTC+10, John Doe wrote:
    Jasen Betts <use...@revmaps.no-ip.org> wrote:
    John Doe wrote:
    <snip>
    I'm learning an awful lot about Hillary Clinton's Deep State lawyers and high-tech allies.

    He means that he is being spoon fed a lot of nonsense by people whose business it is to try to drum up support amongst idiots.

    Hardly, SNIPPERMAN. There is MUCH detail in the Sussman indictment.

    But none of it means what John Doe claims that it means.

    I am a PC techie since the beginning.

    The personal computer showed up in the early 1980's. In the beginning computers were built with valves, and the first ones I used were built with discrete transistors, like the PDP8 I was using around 1967. That got up-dated as the PDP8I which did
    use some integrated circuits.

    Whatever "beginning" John Doe thinks he was in on, he's still a Johnny-come-lately, and too dim to realise it.

    Did you ever hear of the ALWAC III-E? I used it.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ALWAC_III-E

    Can't say I ever heard of it. It sounds like a bunch of other first generation computers. If you used it, it would have been to run a program somebody else wrote for you.

    I wrote 800 lines of code for the PDP8 I used, and it is in my Ph.D. thesis, with a fairly detailed description of what it was doing (and why).

    The previous generation of computers were total swines to program, which didn't matter much because there were so few of them that you could find enough to people like

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_von_Neumann

    to write all the program that you had machine time to run. You were never one of the people who wrote the programs, nor even the PC techie that John Doe claims to have been.

    But people need to be aware that revolts among common people can happen, and all their cool stuff gets taken away. Never underestimate stupid people in large numbers.

    Nobody does. But machine guns make mincemeat of them. Donald Trump managed to mobilise a lot of morons to invade the Capitol building. They didn't achieve anything. beyond showing up Donald Trump as the irresponsible moron that he's always been.

    Not those that are armed - hunters make excellent snipers, fool.

    But they tend to shoot the wrong people. As the Russians have been demonstrating in the Ukraine. You do make a habit of missing the point.

    --
    Bil Sloman, Sydney

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  • From Flyguy@21:1/5 to bill....@ieee.org on Thu Apr 28 16:05:22 2022
    On Thursday, April 28, 2022 at 10:12:24 AM UTC-7, bill....@ieee.org wrote:
    On Thursday, April 28, 2022 at 3:42:37 PM UTC+10, Flyguy wrote:
    On Tuesday, April 26, 2022 at 4:39:07 AM UTC-7, bill....@ieee.org wrote:
    On Tuesday, April 26, 2022 at 4:58:30 PM UTC+10, John Doe wrote:
    On Monday April 25, 2022, at 7:44:18 PM Whiut3rd wrote:
    On Monday, April 25, 2022 at 12:13:12 AM UTC-7, John Doe wrote:
    <snip>
    Zelensky got his own people in a war with absolutely NOTHING to gain. His
    ego and foolishness blinded him nearly provoking a World War. He should go
    back to the negotiating table, talk and resolve matters NOW

    Oh, you forgot the Nazis did it, AGAIN. That impugns the credibility of the Nazi scare, if even sycophants like John Doe point at a Jew and say"he did it". Get back to the Putin talking points quick, or he might put you on his list.

    Those were Fox News viewers' comments, down until the "and on and on and on..."

    I don't necessarily agree with all of them.
    John Doe snipped all the context from his post. I had to go to eternal september to find out what he had tagged his post onto.

    He clearly wasn't reacting to Whit3rd's post. When he claims that the idiot responses that he did post were "Fox News viewers' comments" he seems to be thinking that re-posting other people's idiocies absolves the poster from any responsibility for
    the stupid ideas expressed.It doesn't work that way. If a right wing idiot collects and reposts idiocies from other right-wing idiots, he just looks like any other right-wing idiot.

    And John Doe looks very like the archetype of right-wing idiot. Flyguy is even more idiotic, but not quite so reliably right-wing.

    LOL! Sloman complains about someone else SNIPPING their post!! SWEET!!!

    Flyguy misses the point by the usual country mile.

    When I went to eternal september I could see exactly which post in the thread John Doe had tagged his post onto.

    The joke was that John Doe clearly wasn't reacting to that post. This wasn't any kind of snipping. He was just too idle to find the post he did want to react to, and tagged his reaction onto a different part of the thread and snipped the comment to
    which he was formally responding.

    This forum is supposed to be about conversations. John Doe doesn't understand this at all.

    Flyguy sort of does, but since he's too dim to understand what he's reacting to, the effect is much the same.

    --
    SNIPPERMAN, Sydney

    Nope, SNIPPERMAN, you're complaining about being snipped, your favorite tactic.

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  • From Flyguy@21:1/5 to bill....@ieee.org on Thu Apr 28 16:12:33 2022
    On Thursday, April 28, 2022 at 10:38:26 AM UTC-7, bill....@ieee.org wrote:
    On Thursday, April 28, 2022 at 3:47:47 PM UTC+10, Flyguy wrote:
    On Wednesday, April 27, 2022 at 9:53:03 PM UTC-7, bill....@ieee.org wrote:
    On Thursday, April 28, 2022 at 1:56:47 PM UTC+10, John Doe wrote:
    Jasen Betts <use...@revmaps.no-ip.org> wrote:
    John Doe wrote:
    <snip>
    I'm learning an awful lot about Hillary Clinton's Deep State lawyers and high-tech allies.

    He means that he is being spoon fed a lot of nonsense by people whose business it is to try to drum up support amongst idiots.

    Hardly, SNIPPERMAN. There is MUCH detail in the Sussman indictment.
    But none of it means what John Doe claims that it means.
    I am a PC techie since the beginning.

    The personal computer showed up in the early 1980's. In the beginning computers were built with valves, and the first ones I used were built with discrete transistors, like the PDP8 I was using around 1967. That got up-dated as the PDP8I which did
    use some integrated circuits.

    Whatever "beginning" John Doe thinks he was in on, he's still a Johnny-come-lately, and too dim to realise it.

    Did you ever hear of the ALWAC III-E? I used it.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ALWAC_III-E

    Can't say I ever heard of it. It sounds like a bunch of other first generation computers. If you used it, it would have been to run a program somebody else wrote for you.

    LOL! More lies from the SNIPPERMAN!

    ?
    I wrote 800 lines of code for the PDP8 I used, and it is in my Ph.D. thesis, with a fairly detailed description of what it was doing (and why).

    And I designed and built interfaces for the PDP8 and PDP9, as well as programmed them - SO WHAT?


    The previous generation of computers were total swines to program, which didn't matter much because there were so few of them that you could find enough to people like

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_von_Neumann

    to write all the program that you had machine time to run. You were never one of the people who wrote the programs, nor even the PC techie that John Doe claims to have been.

    Yet EVEN MORE LIES from the liar SNIPPERMAN!

    But people need to be aware that revolts among common people can happen, and all their cool stuff gets taken away. Never underestimate stupid people in large numbers.

    Nobody does. But machine guns make mincemeat of them. Donald Trump managed to mobilise a lot of morons to invade the Capitol building. They didn't achieve anything. beyond showing up Donald Trump as the irresponsible moron that he's always been.

    Not those that are armed - hunters make excellent snipers, fool.
    But they tend to shoot the wrong people. As the Russians have been demonstrating in the Ukraine. You do make a habit of missing the point.

    The HELL THEY DO! You can't even find a SINGLE case of this happening, yet there are thousands of hunters in the woods each season. Of course, some are better than others, but if someone is firing a machine gun at you - as you claim - mistaken identity
    is not an issue.


    --
    Bil Sloman, Sydney

    LOL! SNIPPERMAN can't even SPELL HIS OWN NAME!!

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  • From Anthony William Sloman@21:1/5 to Flyguy on Thu Apr 28 21:22:40 2022
    On Friday, April 29, 2022 at 9:12:36 AM UTC+10, Flyguy wrote:
    On Thursday, April 28, 2022 at 10:38:26 AM UTC-7, bill....@ieee.org wrote:
    On Thursday, April 28, 2022 at 3:47:47 PM UTC+10, Flyguy wrote:
    On Wednesday, April 27, 2022 at 9:53:03 PM UTC-7, bill....@ieee.org wrote:
    On Thursday, April 28, 2022 at 1:56:47 PM UTC+10, John Doe wrote:
    Jasen Betts <use...@revmaps.no-ip.org> wrote:
    John Doe wrote:
    <snip>
    I'm learning an awful lot about Hillary Clinton's Deep State lawyers and high-tech allies.

    He means that he is being spoon fed a lot of nonsense by people whose business it is to try to drum up support amongst idiots.

    Hardly, Sloman. There is MUCH detail in the Sussman indictment.

    But none of it means what John Doe claims that it means.

    I am a PC techie since the beginning.

    The personal computer showed up in the early 1980's. In the beginning computers were built with valves, and the first ones I used were built with discrete transistors, like the PDP8 I was using around 1967. That got up-dated as the PDP8I which
    did use some integrated circuits.

    Whatever "beginning" John Doe thinks he was in on, he's still a Johnny-come-lately, and too dim to realise it.

    Did you ever hear of the ALWAC III-E? I used it.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ALWAC_III-E

    Can't say I ever heard of it. It sounds like a bunch of other first generation computers. If you used it, it would have been to run a program somebody else wrote for you.

    LOL! More lies from the Sloman!

    So post your program. It will have been short enough to post here. I could scan mine and post it, but 800 lines plus comments is a bit too bulky to fit here. John Doe is willing to post pages of text here, but I mark it as spam when he does.

    I wrote 800 lines of code for the PDP8 I used, and it is in my Ph.D. thesis, with a fairly detailed description of what it was doing (and why).

    And I designed and built interfaces for the PDP8 and PDP9, as well as programmed them - SO WHAT?

    "Interfaces?" A relay that opened and closed?

    The previous generation of computers were total swines to program, which didn't matter much because there were so few of them that you could find enough to people like

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_von_Neumann

    to write all the program that you had machine time to run. You were never one of the people who wrote the programs, nor even the PC techie that John Doe claims to have been.

    Yet EVEN MORE LIES from the liar Sloman!

    If I were wrong you could post the evidence. You won't. Probably because you are too incompetent now to do it, even if you had been more competent then (which seems unlikely).

    But people need to be aware that revolts among common people can happen, and all their cool stuff gets taken away. Never underestimate stupid people in large numbers.

    Nobody does. But machine guns make mincemeat of them. Donald Trump managed to mobilise a lot of morons to invade the Capitol building. They didn't achieve anything. beyond showing up Donald Trump as the irresponsible moron that he's always been.

    Not those that are armed - hunters make excellent snipers, fool.

    But they tend to shoot the wrong people. As the Russians have been demonstrating in the Ukraine. You do make a habit of missing the point.

    The HELL THEY DO! You can't even find a SINGLE case of this happening, yet there are thousands of hunters in the woods each season.

    And they shoot one another quite frequently.

    https://genius.com/Tom-lehrer-the-hunting-song-lyrics

    Of course, some are better than others, but if someone is firing a machine gun at you - as you claim - mistaken identity is not an issue.
    Machine guns are effective weapons. Snipers don't seem to be an effective defense against them.

    --
    Bil Sloman, Sydney

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  • From John Doe@21:1/5 to Anthony William Sloman on Fri Apr 29 05:42:19 2022
    Anthony William Sloman wrote:

    Bil Sloman, Sydney

    Misspelled "Bozo"

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  • From David Eather@21:1/5 to All on Sat Apr 30 12:18:18 2022
    On 24/04/2022 11:26 am, John Doe wrote:
    ... (snip - who cares?)

    did Hitler teach you nothing?

    First invade all those "ethnically" friendly regions like donbast,
    austria, moldova, sudaten lands, crimea and Slovakia, Georgia. (don't
    mention that Putin needs a bigger economy so his country isn't swallowed
    up by the Chinese)

    Then hold "elections" with an opposition unable to campaign, the
    population bloated by trucked in "patriots" and everyone else under the
    gun.

    Announce the righteousness of your actions and move on to your next
    conflict.

    Easy.

    Can you see how Putin's approach can be seen as similar to Hitler's?

    And all it needs to succeed is for everyone else to do nothing. Or if
    that is not happening threaten everyone else with nuclear weapons.

    Putin is as mad as a cut snake but only half as smart. He probably will
    pop a nuke at some point despite lack of viable targets.

    Ukraine doesn't have dense concentrations of troops or supplies. So that
    is a pretty crap target with only temporary advantages for nuke popping
    and lots of long term bad.

    Attack supplies in a country that is supplying Ukraine means attacking a
    NATO country and hence activating clause 5 of the NATO alliance (an
    attack against one is an attack against against all -paraphrased). Lots
    of very long term bad.

    Bomb Kiev. Which risks killing leader of the EU or UN and would in any
    case be seen as a massive escalation and is a war crime of the highest
    order.

    The most likely is some poor schmuck Russian general will be given a
    tactical nuke and a conventional force with orders to attack and make
    sure his attack succeeds. Then if the nuke does not do what Putin wants
    the General can be given a Soviet style trial (you know the ones with
    the body bags and firing squad already assembled before the trial
    begins), and Putin can claim he is really for peace and had nothing to
    do with it.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From Flyguy@21:1/5 to David Eather on Sat Apr 30 11:11:09 2022
    On Friday, April 29, 2022 at 7:18:28 PM UTC-7, David Eather wrote:
    On 24/04/2022 11:26 am, John Doe wrote:
    ... (snip - who cares?)

    did Hitler teach you nothing?

    First invade all those "ethnically" friendly regions like donbast,
    austria, moldova, sudaten lands, crimea and Slovakia, Georgia. (don't
    mention that Putin needs a bigger economy so his country isn't swallowed
    up by the Chinese)

    Then hold "elections" with an opposition unable to campaign, the
    population bloated by trucked in "patriots" and everyone else under the
    gun.

    Announce the righteousness of your actions and move on to your next
    conflict.

    Easy.

    Can you see how Putin's approach can be seen as similar to Hitler's?

    And all it needs to succeed is for everyone else to do nothing. Or if
    that is not happening threaten everyone else with nuclear weapons.

    Putin is as mad as a cut snake but only half as smart. He probably will
    pop a nuke at some point despite lack of viable targets.

    Ukraine doesn't have dense concentrations of troops or supplies. So that
    is a pretty crap target with only temporary advantages for nuke popping
    and lots of long term bad.

    Attack supplies in a country that is supplying Ukraine means attacking a
    NATO country and hence activating clause 5 of the NATO alliance (an
    attack against one is an attack against against all -paraphrased). Lots
    of very long term bad.

    Bomb Kiev. Which risks killing leader of the EU or UN and would in any
    case be seen as a massive escalation and is a war crime of the highest
    order.

    The most likely is some poor schmuck Russian general will be given a
    tactical nuke and a conventional force with orders to attack and make
    sure his attack succeeds. Then if the nuke does not do what Putin wants
    the General can be given a Soviet style trial (you know the ones with
    the body bags and firing squad already assembled before the trial
    begins), and Putin can claim he is really for peace and had nothing to
    do with it.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From Flyguy@21:1/5 to David Eather on Sat Apr 30 11:20:44 2022
    On Friday, April 29, 2022 at 7:18:28 PM UTC-7, David Eather wrote:
    On 24/04/2022 11:26 am, John Doe wrote:
    ... (snip - who cares?)

    did Hitler teach you nothing?

    First invade all those "ethnically" friendly regions like donbast,
    austria, moldova, sudaten lands, crimea and Slovakia, Georgia. (don't mention that Putin needs a bigger economy so his country isn't swallowed
    up by the Chinese)

    Then hold "elections" with an opposition unable to campaign, the
    population bloated by trucked in "patriots" and everyone else under the
    gun.

    Announce the righteousness of your actions and move on to your next conflict.

    Easy.

    Can you see how Putin's approach can be seen as similar to Hitler's?

    And all it needs to succeed is for everyone else to do nothing. Or if
    that is not happening threaten everyone else with nuclear weapons.

    Putin is as mad as a cut snake but only half as smart. He probably will
    pop a nuke at some point despite lack of viable targets.

    Ukraine doesn't have dense concentrations of troops or supplies. So that
    is a pretty crap target with only temporary advantages for nuke popping
    and lots of long term bad.

    Attack supplies in a country that is supplying Ukraine means attacking a NATO country and hence activating clause 5 of the NATO alliance (an
    attack against one is an attack against against all -paraphrased). Lots
    of very long term bad.

    Bomb Kiev. Which risks killing leader of the EU or UN and would in any
    case be seen as a massive escalation and is a war crime of the highest order.

    The most likely is some poor schmuck Russian general will be given a tactical nuke and a conventional force with orders to attack and make
    sure his attack succeeds. Then if the nuke does not do what Putin wants
    the General can be given a Soviet style trial (you know the ones with
    the body bags and firing squad already assembled before the trial
    begins), and Putin can claim he is really for peace and had nothing to
    do with it.

    You hear a lot about "fairness" these days: Republicans aren't paying their fair share of taxes (although Dems such as Jeff Bezos are), transgender old people aren't being treated fairly according to Lyin' Biden, it isn't fair that Elon Musk bought
    Twitter (which blocked all speech they deemed unfair, i.e. not progressive ideology), etc.

    Well, dictators don't play fair and they don't even pretend to play fair - they just do what they perceive to be in their best interests. People who object to this often end up dead. End of story. So it should not be surprising that Putin absorbed the
    successful parts of Hitler's strategies. Unfortunately for Putin, he also seems to be adopting some of the disastrous parts as well, like assuming he would have a quick victory in Ukraine.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From Flyguy@21:1/5 to bill....@ieee.org on Sat Apr 30 11:25:54 2022
    On Thursday, April 28, 2022 at 9:22:44 PM UTC-7, bill....@ieee.org wrote:
    On Friday, April 29, 2022 at 9:12:36 AM UTC+10, Flyguy wrote:
    On Thursday, April 28, 2022 at 10:38:26 AM UTC-7, bill....@ieee.org wrote:
    On Thursday, April 28, 2022 at 3:47:47 PM UTC+10, Flyguy wrote:
    On Wednesday, April 27, 2022 at 9:53:03 PM UTC-7, bill....@ieee.org wrote:
    On Thursday, April 28, 2022 at 1:56:47 PM UTC+10, John Doe wrote:
    Jasen Betts <use...@revmaps.no-ip.org> wrote:
    John Doe wrote:
    <snip>
    I'm learning an awful lot about Hillary Clinton's Deep State lawyers and high-tech allies.

    He means that he is being spoon fed a lot of nonsense by people whose business it is to try to drum up support amongst idiots.

    Hardly, Sloman. There is MUCH detail in the Sussman indictment.

    But none of it means what John Doe claims that it means.

    I am a PC techie since the beginning.

    The personal computer showed up in the early 1980's. In the beginning computers were built with valves, and the first ones I used were built with discrete transistors, like the PDP8 I was using around 1967. That got up-dated as the PDP8I which
    did use some integrated circuits.

    Whatever "beginning" John Doe thinks he was in on, he's still a Johnny-come-lately, and too dim to realise it.

    Did you ever hear of the ALWAC III-E? I used it.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ALWAC_III-E

    Can't say I ever heard of it. It sounds like a bunch of other first generation computers. If you used it, it would have been to run a program somebody else wrote for you.

    LOL! More lies from the Sloman!

    So post your program. It will have been short enough to post here. I could scan mine and post it, but 800 lines plus comments is a bit too bulky to fit here. John Doe is willing to post pages of text here, but I mark it as spam when he does.

    So you won't, but expect me to?

    I wrote 800 lines of code for the PDP8 I used, and it is in my Ph.D. thesis, with a fairly detailed description of what it was doing (and why).

    And I designed and built interfaces for the PDP8 and PDP9, as well as programmed them - SO WHAT?
    "Interfaces?" A relay that opened and closed?

    LOL! You CLEARLY are NOT an engineer!!!

    The previous generation of computers were total swines to program, which didn't matter much because there were so few of them that you could find enough to people like

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_von_Neumann

    to write all the program that you had machine time to run. You were never one of the people who wrote the programs, nor even the PC techie that John Doe claims to have been.

    Yet EVEN MORE LIES from the liar Sloman!

    If I were wrong you could post the evidence. You won't. Probably because you are too incompetent now to do it, even if you had been more competent then (which seems unlikely).

    But you WON'T! Spare me your condescension.

    But people need to be aware that revolts among common people can happen, and all their cool stuff gets taken away. Never underestimate stupid people in large numbers.

    Nobody does. But machine guns make mincemeat of them. Donald Trump managed to mobilise a lot of morons to invade the Capitol building. They didn't achieve anything. beyond showing up Donald Trump as the irresponsible moron that he's always been.


    Not those that are armed - hunters make excellent snipers, fool.

    But they tend to shoot the wrong people. As the Russians have been demonstrating in the Ukraine. You do make a habit of missing the point.

    The HELL THEY DO! You can't even find a SINGLE case of this happening, yet there are thousands of hunters in the woods each season.
    And they shoot one another quite frequently.

    And you won't post a SINGLE case of this, let alone statistics that clearly present the extent.


    https://genius.com/Tom-lehrer-the-hunting-song-lyrics
    Of course, some are better than others, but if someone is firing a machine gun at you - as you claim - mistaken identity is not an issue.
    Machine guns are effective weapons. Snipers don't seem to be an effective defense against them.

    Ukraine snippers have killed several Russian generals - sounds PRETTY DAMN EFFECTIVE to me!


    --
    Bil Sloman, Sydney

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  • From Anthony William Sloman@21:1/5 to Flyguy on Sat Apr 30 20:59:33 2022
    On Sunday, May 1, 2022 at 4:25:58 AM UTC+10, Flyguy wrote:
    On Thursday, April 28, 2022 at 9:22:44 PM UTC-7, bill....@ieee.org wrote:
    On Friday, April 29, 2022 at 9:12:36 AM UTC+10, Flyguy wrote:
    On Thursday, April 28, 2022 at 10:38:26 AM UTC-7, bill....@ieee.org wrote:
    On Thursday, April 28, 2022 at 3:47:47 PM UTC+10, Flyguy wrote:
    On Wednesday, April 27, 2022 at 9:53:03 PM UTC-7, bill....@ieee.org wrote:
    On Thursday, April 28, 2022 at 1:56:47 PM UTC+10, John Doe wrote:
    Jasen Betts <use...@revmaps.no-ip.org> wrote:
    John Doe wrote:

    <snip>

    LOL! More lies from the Sloman!

    So post your program. It will have been short enough to post here. I could scan mine and post it, but 800 lines plus comments is a bit too bulky to fit here. John Doe is willing to post pages of text here, but I mark it as spam when he does.

    So you won't, but expect me to?

    It's pages 226 to 251 of my Ph.D. thesis. You could go to the University of Melbourne and read it in the library there. Twenty six pages of A4 text is too much to post here.

    Your program s going to be a lot shorter. You could do it if it existed.

    I wrote 800 lines of code for the PDP8 I used, and it is in my Ph.D. thesis, with a fairly detailed description of what it was doing (and why).

    And I designed and built interfaces for the PDP8 and PDP9, as well as programmed them - SO WHAT?

    "Interfaces?" A relay that opened and closed?

    LOL! You CLEARLY are NOT an engineer!!!

    I'm enough of an engineer to know that getting a computer to monitor whether a relay contact was opened or closed was a frequently used mechanism to keep a computer program informed about the state4 of the world outside. It only provied one bit of
    information, but it did offer good galvanic isolation.

    If you did anything more sophisticated - my PDP8 came with a 12- bit A/D converter - do tell us about it.

    <snip>

    You were never one of the people who wrote the programs, nor even the PC techie that John Doe claims to have been.

    Yet EVEN MORE LIES from the liar Sloman!

    If I were wrong you could post the evidence. You won't. Probably because you are too incompetent now to do it, even if you had been more competent then (which seems unlikely).

    But you WON'T! Spare me your condescension.

    I won't foul up this forum with 800 lines of text. You clearly haven't got the same excuse. If you had you'd tell us about it. The condescension is entirely appropriate.

    But people need to be aware that revolts among common people can happen, and all their cool stuff gets taken away. Never underestimate stupid people in large numbers.

    Nobody does. But machine guns make mincemeat of them. Donald Trump managed to mobilise a lot of morons to invade the Capitol building. They didn't achieve anything. beyond showing up Donald Trump as the irresponsible moron that he's always
    been.

    Not those that are armed - hunters make excellent snipers, fool.

    But they tend to shoot the wrong people. As the Russians have been demonstrating in the Ukraine. You do make a habit of missing the point.

    The HELL THEY DO! You can't even find a SINGLE case of this happening, yet there are thousands of hunters in the woods each season.
    And they shoot one another quite frequently.

    And you won't post a SINGLE case of this, let alone statistics that clearly present the extent.

    Who needs to bother - Tom Lehrer would never have written his song is it wasn't a cliche - but

    https://www.bridgemi.com/quality-life/michigan-hunters-thought-they-shot-deer-squirrels-they-hit-other-hunters

    https://genius.com/Tom-lehrer-the-hunting-song-lyrics

    Of course, some are better than others, but if someone is firing a machine gun at you - as you claim - mistaken identity is not an issue.
    Machine guns are effective weapons. Snipers don't seem to be an effective defense against them.

    Ukraine snippers have killed several Russian generals - sounds PRETTY DAMN EFFECTIVE to me!

    Generals don't spend their time firing machine guns. The Russian army does seem to be something of a mess, but I doubt that it is enough of a mess for field officers to find themselves firing a machine gun. Perhaps you should think harder about what
    might constitute relevant evidence.

    --
    Bill Sloman, Sydney

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  • From Flyguy@21:1/5 to bill....@ieee.org on Sat Apr 30 21:48:41 2022
    On Saturday, April 30, 2022 at 8:59:37 PM UTC-7, bill....@ieee.org wrote:
    On Sunday, May 1, 2022 at 4:25:58 AM UTC+10, Flyguy wrote:
    On Thursday, April 28, 2022 at 9:22:44 PM UTC-7, bill....@ieee.org wrote:
    On Friday, April 29, 2022 at 9:12:36 AM UTC+10, Flyguy wrote:
    On Thursday, April 28, 2022 at 10:38:26 AM UTC-7, bill....@ieee.org wrote:
    On Thursday, April 28, 2022 at 3:47:47 PM UTC+10, Flyguy wrote:
    On Wednesday, April 27, 2022 at 9:53:03 PM UTC-7, bill....@ieee.org wrote:
    On Thursday, April 28, 2022 at 1:56:47 PM UTC+10, John Doe wrote:
    Jasen Betts <use...@revmaps.no-ip.org> wrote:
    John Doe wrote:

    <snip>
    LOL! More lies from the Sloman!

    So post your program. It will have been short enough to post here. I could scan mine and post it, but 800 lines plus comments is a bit too bulky to fit here. John Doe is willing to post pages of text here, but I mark it as spam when he does.

    So you won't, but expect me to?
    It's pages 226 to 251 of my Ph.D. thesis. You could go to the University of Melbourne and read it in the library there. Twenty six pages of A4 text is too much to post here.

    I could also slide down a mile-long razor blade, but I won't.


    Your program s going to be a lot shorter. You could do it if it existed.

    After you, fool.

    I wrote 800 lines of code for the PDP8 I used, and it is in my Ph.D. thesis, with a fairly detailed description of what it was doing (and why).

    And I designed and built interfaces for the PDP8 and PDP9, as well as programmed them - SO WHAT?

    "Interfaces?" A relay that opened and closed?

    LOL! You CLEARLY are NOT an engineer!!!
    I'm enough of an engineer to know that getting a computer to monitor whether a relay contact was opened or closed was a frequently used mechanism to keep a computer program informed about the state4 of the world outside. It only provied one bit of
    information, but it did offer good galvanic isolation.

    No, you are NO KIND of engineer.


    If you did anything more sophisticated - my PDP8 came with a 12- bit A/D converter - do tell us about it.

    I did and I won't.


    <snip>
    You were never one of the people who wrote the programs, nor even the PC techie that John Doe claims to have been.

    Yet EVEN MORE LIES from the liar Sloman!

    If I were wrong you could post the evidence. You won't. Probably because you are too incompetent now to do it, even if you had been more competent then (which seems unlikely).

    But you WON'T! Spare me your condescension.
    I won't foul up this forum with 800 lines of text. You clearly haven't got the same excuse. If you had you'd tell us about it. The condescension is entirely appropriate.

    And I won't respond to your fucking condescension.

    But people need to be aware that revolts among common people can happen, and all their cool stuff gets taken away. Never underestimate stupid people in large numbers.

    Nobody does. But machine guns make mincemeat of them. Donald Trump managed to mobilise a lot of morons to invade the Capitol building. They didn't achieve anything. beyond showing up Donald Trump as the irresponsible moron that he's always
    been.

    Not those that are armed - hunters make excellent snipers, fool.

    But they tend to shoot the wrong people. As the Russians have been demonstrating in the Ukraine. You do make a habit of missing the point.

    The HELL THEY DO! You can't even find a SINGLE case of this happening, yet there are thousands of hunters in the woods each season.
    And they shoot one another quite frequently.

    And you won't post a SINGLE case of this, let alone statistics that clearly present the extent.
    Who needs to bother - Tom Lehrer would never have written his song is it wasn't a cliche - but

    https://www.bridgemi.com/quality-life/michigan-hunters-thought-they-shot-deer-squirrels-they-hit-other-hunters

    And that's the BEST you can come up with when there are thousands of hunters in the woods annually, all camouflaged with high-powered rifles.

    https://genius.com/Tom-lehrer-the-hunting-song-lyrics

    Of course, some are better than others, but if someone is firing a machine gun at you - as you claim - mistaken identity is not an issue.
    Machine guns are effective weapons. Snipers don't seem to be an effective defense against them.

    Ukraine snippers have killed several Russian generals - sounds PRETTY DAMN EFFECTIVE to me!
    Generals don't spend their time firing machine guns. The Russian army does seem to be something of a mess, but I doubt that it is enough of a mess for field officers to find themselves firing a machine gun. Perhaps you should think harder about what
    might constitute relevant evidence.

    No, they are protected by multiple layers and are not exposing themselves like a machine gunner is. You just can't accept the fact that a hunter IS a sniper, and would be effective as such in war.


    --
    Bill Sloman, Sydney

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  • From Anthony William Sloman@21:1/5 to Flyguy on Sun May 1 00:02:58 2022
    On Sunday, May 1, 2022 at 2:48:44 PM UTC+10, Flyguy wrote:
    On Saturday, April 30, 2022 at 8:59:37 PM UTC-7, bill....@ieee.org wrote:
    On Sunday, May 1, 2022 at 4:25:58 AM UTC+10, Flyguy wrote:
    On Thursday, April 28, 2022 at 9:22:44 PM UTC-7, bill....@ieee.org wrote:
    On Friday, April 29, 2022 at 9:12:36 AM UTC+10, Flyguy wrote:
    On Thursday, April 28, 2022 at 10:38:26 AM UTC-7, bill....@ieee.org wrote:
    On Thursday, April 28, 2022 at 3:47:47 PM UTC+10, Flyguy wrote:
    On Wednesday, April 27, 2022 at 9:53:03 PM UTC-7, bill....@ieee.org wrote:
    On Thursday, April 28, 2022 at 1:56:47 PM UTC+10, John Doe wrote:
    Jasen Betts <use...@revmaps.no-ip.org> wrote:
    John Doe wrote:

    <snip>
    LOL! More lies from the Sloman!

    So post your program. It will have been short enough to post here. I could scan mine and post it, but 800 lines plus comments is a bit too bulky to fit here. John Doe is willing to post pages of text here, but I mark it as spam when he does.

    So you won't, but expect me to?

    It's pages 226 to 251 of my Ph.D. thesis. You could go to the University of Melbourne and read it in the library there. Twenty six pages of A4 text is too much to post here.

    I could also slide down a mile-long razor blade, but I won't.

    You'd have to find one first. The University of Melbourne does exist, and so does it's library.

    Your program s going to be a lot shorter. You could do it if it existed.

    After you, fool.

    Translation: it doesn't exist.

    I wrote 800 lines of code for the PDP8 I used, and it is in my Ph.D. thesis, with a fairly detailed description of what it was doing (and why).

    And I designed and built interfaces for the PDP8 and PDP9, as well as programmed them - SO WHAT?

    "Interfaces?" A relay that opened and closed?

    LOL! You CLEARLY are NOT an engineer!!!

    I'm enough of an engineer to know that getting a computer to monitor whether a relay contact was opened or closed was a frequently used mechanism to keep a computer program informed about the state4 of the world outside. It only provied one bit of
    information, but it did offer good galvanic isolation.

    No, you are NO KIND of engineer.

    Good enough to fool the IEEE amongst others, but apparently not good enough to foil Flyguy's piercing insight. Or whatever it is that he has that he confuses with piercing insight.

    If you did anything more sophisticated - my PDP8 came with a 12- bit A/D converter - do tell us about it.

    I did and I won't.

    Translation: he didn't.

    <snip>

    You were never one of the people who wrote the programs, nor even the PC techie that John Doe claims to have been.

    Yet EVEN MORE LIES from the liar Sloman!

    If I were wrong you could post the evidence. You won't. Probably because you are too incompetent now to do it, even if you had been more competent then (which seems unlikely).

    But you WON'T! Spare me your condescension.

    I won't foul up this forum with 800 lines of text. You clearly haven't got the same excuse. If you had you'd tell us about it. The condescension is entirely appropriate.

    And I won't respond to your fucking condescension.

    You just did.

    <snipped the rest>

    --
    Bill Sloman, Sydney

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  • From Flyguy@21:1/5 to bill....@ieee.org on Sun May 1 10:00:46 2022
    On Sunday, May 1, 2022 at 12:03:03 AM UTC-7, bill....@ieee.org wrote:
    On Sunday, May 1, 2022 at 2:48:44 PM UTC+10, Flyguy wrote:
    On Saturday, April 30, 2022 at 8:59:37 PM UTC-7, bill....@ieee.org wrote:
    On Sunday, May 1, 2022 at 4:25:58 AM UTC+10, Flyguy wrote:
    On Thursday, April 28, 2022 at 9:22:44 PM UTC-7, bill....@ieee.org wrote:
    On Friday, April 29, 2022 at 9:12:36 AM UTC+10, Flyguy wrote:
    On Thursday, April 28, 2022 at 10:38:26 AM UTC-7, bill....@ieee.org wrote:
    On Thursday, April 28, 2022 at 3:47:47 PM UTC+10, Flyguy wrote:
    On Wednesday, April 27, 2022 at 9:53:03 PM UTC-7, bill....@ieee.org wrote:
    On Thursday, April 28, 2022 at 1:56:47 PM UTC+10, John Doe wrote:
    Jasen Betts <use...@revmaps.no-ip.org> wrote:
    John Doe wrote:

    <snip>
    LOL! More lies from the Sloman!

    So post your program. It will have been short enough to post here. I could scan mine and post it, but 800 lines plus comments is a bit too bulky to fit here. John Doe is willing to post pages of text here, but I mark it as spam when he does.

    So you won't, but expect me to?

    It's pages 226 to 251 of my Ph.D. thesis. You could go to the University of Melbourne and read it in the library there. Twenty six pages of A4 text is too much to post here.

    I could also slide down a mile-long razor blade, but I won't.
    You'd have to find one first. The University of Melbourne does exist, and so does it's library.
    Your program s going to be a lot shorter. You could do it if it existed.

    After you, fool.
    Translation: it doesn't exist.
    I wrote 800 lines of code for the PDP8 I used, and it is in my Ph.D. thesis, with a fairly detailed description of what it was doing (and why).

    And I designed and built interfaces for the PDP8 and PDP9, as well as programmed them - SO WHAT?

    "Interfaces?" A relay that opened and closed?

    LOL! You CLEARLY are NOT an engineer!!!

    I'm enough of an engineer to know that getting a computer to monitor whether a relay contact was opened or closed was a frequently used mechanism to keep a computer program informed about the state4 of the world outside. It only provied one bit of
    information, but it did offer good galvanic isolation.

    No, you are NO KIND of engineer.
    Good enough to fool the IEEE amongst others, but apparently not good enough to foil Flyguy's piercing insight. Or whatever it is that he has that he confuses with piercing insight.

    Not good enough to fool REAL engineers, fool.

    If you did anything more sophisticated - my PDP8 came with a 12- bit A/D converter - do tell us about it.

    I did and I won't.
    Translation: he didn't.

    Translation: SNIPPERMAN is LYING yet again.

    <snip>

    You were never one of the people who wrote the programs, nor even the PC techie that John Doe claims to have been.

    Yet EVEN MORE LIES from the liar Sloman!

    If I were wrong you could post the evidence. You won't. Probably because you are too incompetent now to do it, even if you had been more competent then (which seems unlikely).

    But you WON'T! Spare me your condescension.

    I won't foul up this forum with 800 lines of text. You clearly haven't got the same excuse. If you had you'd tell us about it. The condescension is entirely appropriate.

    And I won't respond to your fucking condescension.
    You just did.
    No, I didn't.

    <snipped the rest>

    --
    SNIPPERMAN, Sydney

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  • From Anthony William Sloman@21:1/5 to Flyguy on Sun May 1 22:01:36 2022
    On Monday, May 2, 2022 at 3:00:50 AM UTC+10, Flyguy wrote:
    On Sunday, May 1, 2022 at 12:03:03 AM UTC-7, bill....@ieee.org wrote:
    On Sunday, May 1, 2022 at 2:48:44 PM UTC+10, Flyguy wrote:
    On Saturday, April 30, 2022 at 8:59:37 PM UTC-7, bill....@ieee.org wrote:
    On Sunday, May 1, 2022 at 4:25:58 AM UTC+10, Flyguy wrote:
    On Thursday, April 28, 2022 at 9:22:44 PM UTC-7, bill....@ieee.org wrote:
    On Friday, April 29, 2022 at 9:12:36 AM UTC+10, Flyguy wrote:
    On Thursday, April 28, 2022 at 10:38:26 AM UTC-7, bill....@ieee.org wrote:
    On Thursday, April 28, 2022 at 3:47:47 PM UTC+10, Flyguy wrote:
    On Wednesday, April 27, 2022 at 9:53:03 PM UTC-7, bill....@ieee.org wrote:
    On Thursday, April 28, 2022 at 1:56:47 PM UTC+10, John Doe wrote:
    Jasen Betts <use...@revmaps.no-ip.org> wrote:
    John Doe wrote:

    <snip>
    LOL! More lies from the Sloman!

    So post your program. It will have been short enough to post here. I could scan mine and post it, but 800 lines plus comments is a bit too bulky to fit here. John Doe is willing to post pages of text here, but I mark it as spam when he does.

    So you won't, but expect me to?

    It's pages 226 to 251 of my Ph.D. thesis. You could go to the University of Melbourne and read it in the library there. Twenty six pages of A4 text is too much to post here.

    I could also slide down a mile-long razor blade, but I won't.

    You'd have to find one first. The University of Melbourne does exist, and so does it's library.
    Your program s going to be a lot shorter. You could do it if it existed.

    After you, fool.

    Translation: it doesn't exist.

    I wrote 800 lines of code for the PDP8 I used, and it is in my Ph.D. thesis, with a fairly detailed description of what it was doing (and why).

    And I designed and built interfaces for the PDP8 and PDP9, as well as programmed them - SO WHAT?

    "Interfaces?" A relay that opened and closed?

    LOL! You CLEARLY are NOT an engineer!!!

    I'm enough of an engineer to know that getting a computer to monitor whether a relay contact was opened or closed was a frequently used mechanism to keep a computer program informed about the state of the world outside. It only provided one bit
    of information, but it did offer good galvanic isolation.

    No, you are NO KIND of engineer.

    Good enough to fool the IEEE amongst others, but apparently not good enough to foil Flyguy's piercing insight. Or whatever it is that he has that he confuses with piercing insight.

    Not good enough to fool REAL engineers, fool.

    The IEEE is full of "real" engineers, and I got in because people whom at worked with at EMI Central Research - who were members of the IEEE said that I was enough of an engineer to qualify. EMI Central Research was pretty much the UK equivalent of Bell
    Labs, and I was a bit surprised at how well I fitted in. You may imagine that you are a real engineer - and you might have been once before senile dementia set in, though nothing that you have posted supports that proposition - but it is clearly now
    merely a self-serving delusion

    If you did anything more sophisticated - my PDP8 came with a 12- bit A/D converter - do tell us about it.

    I did and I won't.
    Translation: he didn't.

    Translation: SNIPPERMAN is LYING yet again.

    It's not a "lie" but a plausible hypothesis.

    <snip>

    You were never one of the people who wrote the programs, nor even the PC techie that John Doe claims to have been.

    Yet EVEN MORE LIES from the liar Sloman!

    Again, not a "lie" but a plausible hypothesis.

    If I were wrong you could post the evidence. You won't. Probably because you are too incompetent now to do it, even if you had been more competent then (which seems unlikely).

    But you WON'T! Spare me your condescension.

    I won't foul up this forum with 800 lines of text. You clearly haven't got the same excuse. If you had you'd tell us about it. The condescension is entirely appropriate.

    And I won't respond to your fucking condescension.

    You just did.

    No, I didn't.

    That really is a lie. Flyguy is clearly too stupid to realise that he is lying - but posting in a response that it isn't a response is remarkably stupid even for him.
    If he'd gone to the trouble to explain that he wasn't responding to the condescension but merely to my assertions about his non-evidence based assertions he might have had a case, but he's too stupid to manage that. This is more condescension, but I am
    responding to a halfwit.

    --
    Bill Sloman, Sydney

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  • From John Doe@21:1/5 to David Eather on Mon May 2 05:38:56 2022
    XPost: free.spam

    Anybody can do a little research.

    allintext:"Henry Kissinger" NATO Ukraine

    This is a bunch of baseless idiotic opinions...

    --
    David Eather <eatREMOVEher@tpg.com.au> wrote:

    Date: Sat, 30 Apr 2022 12:18:18 +1000
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    On 24/04/2022 11:26 am, John Doe wrote:
    ... (snip - who cares?)

    did Hitler teach you nothing?

    First invade all those "ethnically" friendly regions like donbast,
    austria, moldova, sudaten lands, crimea and Slovakia, Georgia. (don't mention that Putin needs a bigger economy so his country isn't swallowed
    up by the Chinese)

    Then hold "elections" with an opposition unable to campaign, the
    population bloated by trucked in "patriots" and everyone else under the
    gun.

    Announce the righteousness of your actions and move on to your next
    conflict.

    Easy.

    Can you see how Putin's approach can be seen as similar to Hitler's?

    And all it needs to succeed is for everyone else to do nothing. Or if
    that is not happening threaten everyone else with nuclear weapons.

    Putin is as mad as a cut snake but only half as smart. He probably will
    pop a nuke at some point despite lack of viable targets.

    Ukraine doesn't have dense concentrations of troops or supplies. So that
    is a pretty crap target with only temporary advantages for nuke popping
    and lots of long term bad.

    Attack supplies in a country that is supplying Ukraine means attacking a
    NATO country and hence activating clause 5 of the NATO alliance (an
    attack against one is an attack against against all -paraphrased). Lots
    of very long term bad.

    Bomb Kiev. Which risks killing leader of the EU or UN and would in any
    case be seen as a massive escalation and is a war crime of the highest
    order.

    The most likely is some poor schmuck Russian general will be given a
    tactical nuke and a conventional force with orders to attack and make
    sure his attack succeeds. Then if the nuke does not do what Putin wants
    the General can be given a Soviet style trial (you know the ones with
    the body bags and firing squad already assembled before the trial
    begins), and Putin can claim he is really for peace and had nothing to
    do with it.


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  • From Edward Hernandez@21:1/5 to All on Mon May 2 06:11:13 2022
    XPost: free.spam

    The John Doe troll stated the following in message-id <sdhn7c$pkp$4@dont-email.me>:

    The troll doesn't even know how to format a USENET post...

    And the John Doe troll stated the following in message-id <sg3kr7$qt5$1@dont-email.me>:

    The reason Bozo cannot figure out how to get Google to keep from
    breaking its lines in inappropriate places is because Bozo is
    CLUELESS...

    And yet, the clueless John Doe troll has itself posted yet another
    incorrectly formatted USENET posting on Mon, 2 May 2022 05:38:56 -0000
    (UTC) in message-id <t4nqpg$1fq$3@dont-email.me>.

    Further, John Doe stated the following in message-id <svsh05$lbh$5@dont-email.me> posted Fri, 4 Mar 2022 08:01:09 -0000
    (UTC):

    Compared to other regulars, Bozo contributes practically nothing
    except insults to this group.

    Yet, since Wed, 5 Jan 2022 04:10:38 -0000 (UTC) John Doe's post ratio to
    USENET (**) has been 57.6% of its posts contributing "nothing except
    insults" to USENET.

    ** Since Wed, 5 Jan 2022 04:10:38 -0000 (UTC) John Doe has posted at
    least 1179 articles to USENET. Of which 139 have been pure insults and
    540 have been John Doe "troll format" postings.

    s3ohOCi8Qkg+

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  • From John Doe@21:1/5 to Don Y on Mon May 2 05:34:06 2022
    Don Y <blockedofcourse@foo.invalid> wrote:

    foreign sanctions presiding over a plummeting Russian ruble

    https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-1-d&q=Price+of+ruble

    The ruble is at a two-year high.

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  • From DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno@decadenc@21:1/5 to John Doe on Mon May 2 06:07:54 2022
    John Doe <always.look@message.header> wrote in news:t4nqgd$1fq$2@dont- email.me:

    Don Y <blockedofcourse@foo.invalid> wrote:

    foreign sanctions presiding over a plummeting Russian ruble

    https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-1-d&q=Price+of+ruble

    The ruble is at a two-year high.


    And still only worth 1.4 cents each.

    Whereas the Mexican Peso is worth 4 times what the Russian Ruble is
    worth, AND Russian citizens have a hard time getting cash because all
    the banks shut down.

    Dancing around at the bottom of the barrel is still only dancing at
    the bottom of the barrel.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From John Doe@21:1/5 to DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno@decadenc on Mon May 2 06:28:47 2022
    DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno@decadence.org wrote:

    John Doe wrote:
    Don Y wrote:

    foreign sanctions presiding over a plummeting Russian ruble

    https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-1-d&q=Price+of+ruble

    The ruble is at a two-year high.

    And still only worth 1.4 cents each.

    And still nothing like "plummeting".

    Whereas the Mexican Peso is worth 4 times what the Russian Ruble is
    worth

    So what? What does that prove except the relative value of currency is
    more than meets the eye.

    Mexico is a great place if you like cockfights, but what's Mexico's space program like? Russia has been taking our astronauts to the space station
    for the last fifteen years. If Russia were suffering from "brain drain" as
    some foolishly claim, why does our government constantly warn us about
    Russian hackers?

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From John Doe@21:1/5 to Edward Hernandez on Mon May 2 06:31:45 2022
    XPost: free.spam

    Eddie wants so badly to nym-shift. That's a no-no here, Eddie!

    Eddie has never posted anything NORMAL except when it got a spanking...

    https://groups.google.com/g/sci.electronics.repair/c/MesPLcGU4BE

    See also...
    John Doe <always.look@message.header> (astraweb)
    Peter Weiner <dtgamer99@gmail.com>
    Edward H. <dtgamer99@gmail.com>
    Edward Hernandez <dtgamer99@gmail.com>

    Eddie is an example for all newbies. Don't get spanked!

    Spanked Eddie...

    --
    Edward Hernandez <dtgamer99@gmail.com> wrote:

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    The John Doe troll stated the following in message-id <sdhn7c$pkp$4@dont-email.me>:

    The troll doesn't even know how to format a USENET post...

    And the John Doe troll stated the following in message-id <sg3kr7$qt5$1@dont-email.me>:

    The reason Bozo cannot figure out how to get Google to keep from
    breaking its lines in inappropriate places is because Bozo is
    CLUELESS...

    And yet, the clueless John Doe troll has itself posted yet another incorrectly formatted USENET posting on Mon, 2 May 2022 05:38:56 -0000
    (UTC) in message-id <t4nqpg$1fq$3@dont-email.me>.

    Further, John Doe stated the following in message-id <svsh05$lbh$5@dont-email.me> posted Fri, 4 Mar 2022 08:01:09 -0000
    (UTC):

    Compared to other regulars, Bozo contributes practically nothing
    except insults to this group.

    Yet, since Wed, 5 Jan 2022 04:10:38 -0000 (UTC) John Doe's post ratio to USENET (**) has been 57.6% of its posts contributing "nothing except
    insults" to USENET.

    ** Since Wed, 5 Jan 2022 04:10:38 -0000 (UTC) John Doe has posted at
    least 1179 articles to USENET. Of which 139 have been pure insults and
    540 have been John Doe "troll format" postings.

    s3ohOCi8Qkg+




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  • From Edward Hernandez@21:1/5 to All on Mon May 2 06:32:56 2022
    XPost: free.spam

    The John Doe troll stated the following in message-id <sdhn7c$pkp$4@dont-email.me>:

    The troll doesn't even know how to format a USENET post...

    And the John Doe troll stated the following in message-id <sg3kr7$qt5$1@dont-email.me>:

    The reason Bozo cannot figure out how to get Google to keep from
    breaking its lines in inappropriate places is because Bozo is
    CLUELESS...

    And yet, the clueless John Doe troll has continued to post incorrectly formatted USENET articles that are devoid of content (latest example on
    Mon, 2 May 2022 06:31:45 -0000 (UTC) in message-id <t4ntsg$1fq$9@dont-email.me>).

    NOBODY likes the John Doe troll's contentless spam.

    Further, Troll Doe stated the following in message-id <svsh05$lbh$5@dont-email.me> posted Fri, 4 Mar 2022 08:01:09 -0000
    (UTC):

    Compared to other regulars, Bozo contributes practically nothing
    except insults to this group.

    Yet, since Wed, 5 Jan 2022 04:10:38 -0000 (UTC) Troll Doe's post ratio
    to USENET (**) has been 57.7% of its posts contributing "nothing except insults" to USENET.

    ** Since Wed, 5 Jan 2022 04:10:38 -0000 (UTC) Troll Doe has posted at
    least 1184 articles to USENET. Of which 139 have been pure insults and
    544 have been Troll Doe "troll format" postings.

    This posting is a public service announcement for any google groups
    readers who happen by to point out that the John Doe troll does not even
    follow the rules it uses to troll other posters.

    v6VVlq1Jjw2C

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  • From Anthony William Sloman@21:1/5 to John Doe on Sun May 1 23:37:52 2022
    On Monday, May 2, 2022 at 3:39:03 PM UTC+10, John Doe wrote:
    David Eather <eatREM...@tpg.com.au> wrote:
    On 24/04/2022 11:26 am, John Doe wrote:
    ... (snip - who cares?)

    did Hitler teach you nothing?

    First invade all those "ethnically" friendly regions like donbast, austria, moldova, sudaten lands, crimea and Slovakia, Georgia. (don't mention that Putin needs a bigger economy so his country isn't swallowed up by the Chinese)

    Then hold "elections" with an opposition unable to campaign, the population bloated by trucked in "patriots" and everyone else under the gun.

    Announce the righteousness of your actions and move on to your next conflict.

    Easy.

    Can you see how Putin's approach can be seen as similar to Hitler's?

    And all it needs to succeed is for everyone else to do nothing. Or if
    that is not happening threaten everyone else with nuclear weapons.

    Putin is as mad as a cut snake but only half as smart. He probably will pop a nuke at some point despite lack of viable targets.

    Ukraine doesn't have dense concentrations of troops or supplies. So that is a pretty crap target with only temporary advantages for nuke popping and lots of long term bad.

    Attack supplies in a country that is supplying Ukraine means attacking a NATO country and hence activating clause 5 of the NATO alliance (an
    attack against one is an attack against against all -paraphrased). Lots
    of very long term bad.

    Bomb Kiev. Which risks killing leader of the EU or UN and would in any case be seen as a massive escalation and is a war crime of the highest order.

    The most likely is some poor schmuck Russian general will be given a tactical nuke and a conventional force with orders to attack and make
    sure his attack succeeds. Then if the nuke does not do what Putin wants the General can be given a Soviet style trial (you know the ones with
    the body bags and firing squad already assembled before the trial
    begins), and Putin can claim he is really for peace and had nothing to
    do with it.

    Anybody can do a little research.

    allintext:"Henry Kissinger" NATO Ukraine

    Which happens to be way out of date - because it sounds like stuff that John Doe would like statesmen to be saying now, he neglects the fact that Kissinger isn't saying it now.

    This is a bunch of baseless idiotic opinions...

    John Doe is an expert on posting baseless idiotic opinions. Clearly, he isn't good at recognising opinions which are actually baseless and idiotic.He might not espouse them quite so enthusiastically if he were, but that leads to questions about his moral
    character, which is unpleasant to the point of criminal deviance.

    --
    Bill Sloman, Sydney

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  • From John Doe@21:1/5 to Anthony William Sloman on Mon May 2 06:43:45 2022
    XPost: free.spam

    Henry Kissinger is not the only world-renowned diplomat who has warned
    against aggressive NATO expansion to Russia's border countries.

    More baseless idiotic opinions, as always from Bill "Bozo" Sloman...

    --
    Anthony William Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> wrote:

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    On Monday, May 2, 2022 at 3:39:03 PM UTC+10, John Doe wrote:
    David Eather <eatREM...@tpg.com.au> wrote:
    On 24/04/2022 11:26 am, John Doe wrote:
    ... (snip - who cares?)

    did Hitler teach you nothing?

    First invade all those "ethnically" friendly regions like donbast, aus
    tria, moldova, sudaten lands, crimea and Slovakia, Georgia. (don't mention that Putin needs a bigger economy so his country isn't swallowed up by the Chinese)

    Then hold "elections" with an opposition unable to campaign, the
    population bloated by trucked in "patriots" and everyone else under the

    gun.

    Announce the righteousness of your actions and move on to your next
    conflict.

    Easy.

    Can you see how Putin's approach can be seen as similar to Hitler's?

    And all it needs to succeed is for everyone else to do nothing. Or if

    that is not happening threaten everyone else with nuclear weapons.

    Putin is as mad as a cut snake but only half as smart. He probably will

    pop a nuke at some point despite lack of viable targets.

    Ukraine doesn't have dense concentrations of troops or supplies. So tha
    t
    is a pretty crap target with only temporary advantages for nuke popping

    and lots of long term bad.

    Attack supplies in a country that is supplying Ukraine means attacking
    a
    NATO country and hence activating clause 5 of the NATO alliance (an
    attack against one is an attack against against all -paraphrased). Lots

    of very long term bad.

    Bomb Kiev. Which risks killing leader of the EU or UN and would in any

    case be seen as a massive escalation and is a war crime of the highest

    order.

    The most likely is some poor schmuck Russian general will be given a
    tactical nuke and a conventional force with orders to attack and make

    sure his attack succeeds. Then if the nuke does not do what Putin wants

    the General can be given a Soviet style trial (you know the ones with

    the body bags and firing squad already assembled before the trial
    begins), and Putin can claim he is really for peace and had nothing to

    do with it.

    Anybody can do a little research.

    allintext:"Henry Kissinger" NATO Ukraine

    Which happens to be way out of date - because it sounds like stuff that John Doe would like statesmen to be saying now, he neglects the fact that Kissinger isn't saying it now.

    This is a bunch of baseless idiotic opinions...

    John Doe is an expert on posting baseless idiotic opinions. Clearly, he isn't good at recognising opinions which are actually baseless and idiotic.He might not espouse them quite so enthusiastically if he were, but that leads to questions about his
    moral character, which is unpleasant to the point of criminal deviance.

    --
    Bill Sloman, Sydney



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  • From Edward Hernandez@21:1/5 to All on Mon May 2 06:45:39 2022
    XPost: free.spam

    The John Doe troll stated the following in message-id <sdhn7c$pkp$4@dont-email.me>:

    The troll doesn't even know how to format a USENET post...

    And the John Doe troll stated the following in message-id <sg3kr7$qt5$1@dont-email.me>:

    The reason Bozo cannot figure out how to get Google to keep from
    breaking its lines in inappropriate places is because Bozo is
    CLUELESS...

    And yet, the clueless John Doe troll has continued to post incorrectly formatted USENET articles that are devoid of content (latest example on
    Mon, 2 May 2022 06:45:32 -0000 (UTC) in message-id <t4numb$1fq$15@dont-email.me>).

    NOBODY likes the John Doe troll's contentless spam.

    Further, Troll Doe stated the following in message-id <svsh05$lbh$5@dont-email.me> posted Fri, 4 Mar 2022 08:01:09 -0000
    (UTC):

    Compared to other regulars, Bozo contributes practically nothing
    except insults to this group.

    Yet, since Wed, 5 Jan 2022 04:10:38 -0000 (UTC) Troll Doe's post ratio
    to USENET (**) has been 57.9% of its posts contributing "nothing except insults" to USENET.

    ** Since Wed, 5 Jan 2022 04:10:38 -0000 (UTC) Troll Doe has posted at
    least 1194 articles to USENET. Of which 139 have been pure insults and
    552 have been Troll Doe "troll format" postings.

    This posting is a public service announcement for any google groups
    readers who happen by to point out that the John Doe troll does not even
    follow the rules it uses to troll other posters.

    mYKnz85YEwFe

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From Anthony William Sloman@21:1/5 to John Doe on Sun May 1 23:50:59 2022
    On Monday, May 2, 2022 at 4:28:54 PM UTC+10, John Doe wrote:
    DecadentLinux...@decadence.org wrote:

    John Doe wrote:
    Don Y wrote:

    foreign sanctions presiding over a plummeting Russian ruble

    https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-1-d&q=Price+of+ruble

    The ruble is at a two-year high.

    And still only worth 1.4 cents each.

    And still nothing like "plummeting".

    Whereas the Mexican Peso is worth 4 times what the Russian Ruble is worth.

    So what? What does that prove except the relative value of currency is
    more than meets the eye.

    Mexico is a great place if you like cockfights, but what's Mexico's space program like? Russia has been taking our astronauts to the space station
    for the last fifteen years.

    That reflects the fact that Russian hydrogen bombs started off heavier than US hydrogen bombs ever were, and the rockets that got mass produced at the time are still around to put stuff into orbit.

    If Russia were suffering from "brain drain" as some foolishly claim, why does our government constantly warn us about Russian hackers?

    The Russians can't find useful employment for all those members of the population who are good with computers, so use the leftovers to get into other people's computer systems, rather than finding constructive stuff for them to do. The more ingenious
    hacker find ways of getting overseas jobs, but some are content with what the Russian state can offer them (which isn't much). The US did hack the Iranian computer system that controlled Iran's nuclear enrichment centrifuges, so foreign governments may
    be warning their populations against US hackers in the same way.

    --
    Bill Sloman, Sydney

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  • From Edward Hernandez@21:1/5 to All on Mon May 2 06:44:31 2022
    XPost: free.spam

    The John Doe troll stated the following in message-id <sdhn7c$pkp$4@dont-email.me>:

    The troll doesn't even know how to format a USENET post...

    And the John Doe troll stated the following in message-id <sg3kr7$qt5$1@dont-email.me>:

    The reason Bozo cannot figure out how to get Google to keep from
    breaking its lines in inappropriate places is because Bozo is
    CLUELESS...

    And yet, the clueless John Doe troll has continued to post incorrectly formatted USENET articles that are devoid of content (latest example on
    Mon, 2 May 2022 06:43:45 -0000 (UTC) in message-id <t4nuj0$1fq$14@dont-email.me>).

    NOBODY likes the John Doe troll's contentless spam.

    Further, Troll Doe stated the following in message-id <svsh05$lbh$5@dont-email.me> posted Fri, 4 Mar 2022 08:01:09 -0000
    (UTC):

    Compared to other regulars, Bozo contributes practically nothing
    except insults to this group.

    Yet, since Wed, 5 Jan 2022 04:10:38 -0000 (UTC) Troll Doe's post ratio
    to USENET (**) has been 57.8% of its posts contributing "nothing except insults" to USENET.

    ** Since Wed, 5 Jan 2022 04:10:38 -0000 (UTC) Troll Doe has posted at
    least 1192 articles to USENET. Of which 139 have been pure insults and
    550 have been Troll Doe "troll format" postings.

    This posting is a public service announcement for any google groups
    readers who happen by to point out that the John Doe troll does not even
    follow the rules it uses to troll other posters.

    2QkNd4ZUy9Cg

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From Anthony William Sloman@21:1/5 to John Doe on Sun May 1 23:56:18 2022
    On Monday, May 2, 2022 at 4:43:52 PM UTC+10, John Doe wrote:
    Anthony William Sloman <bill....@ieee.org> wrote:

    On Monday, May 2, 2022 at 3:39:03 PM UTC+10, John Doe wrote:
    David Eather <eatREM...@tpg.com.au> wrote:
    On 24/04/2022 11:26 am, John Doe wrote:

    ... (snip - who cares?)

    did Hitler teach you nothing?

    First invade all those "ethnically" friendly regions like donbast, aus
    tria, moldova, sudaten lands, crimea and Slovakia, Georgia. (don't mention that Putin needs a bigger economy so his country isn't swallowed up by the Chinese)

    Then hold "elections" with an opposition unable to campaign, the
    population bloated by trucked in "patriots" and everyone else under the

    gun.

    Announce the righteousness of your actions and move on to your next
    conflict.

    Easy.

    Can you see how Putin's approach can be seen as similar to Hitler's?

    And all it needs to succeed is for everyone else to do nothing. Or if

    that is not happening threaten everyone else with nuclear weapons.

    Putin is as mad as a cut snake but only half as smart. He probably will

    pop a nuke at some point despite lack of viable targets.

    Ukraine doesn't have dense concentrations of troops or supplies. So tha
    t
    is a pretty crap target with only temporary advantages for nuke popping

    and lots of long term bad.

    Attack supplies in a country that is supplying Ukraine means attacking
    a
    NATO country and hence activating clause 5 of the NATO alliance (an
    attack against one is an attack against against all -paraphrased). Lots

    of very long term bad.

    Bomb Kiev. Which risks killing leader of the EU or UN and would in any

    case be seen as a massive escalation and is a war crime of the highest

    order.

    The most likely is some poor schmuck Russian general will be given a
    tactical nuke and a conventional force with orders to attack and make

    sure his attack succeeds. Then if the nuke does not do what Putin wants

    the General can be given a Soviet style trial (you know the ones with

    the body bags and firing squad already assembled before the trial
    begins), and Putin can claim he is really for peace and had nothing to

    do with it.

    Anybody can do a little research.

    allintext:"Henry Kissinger" NATO Ukraine

    Which happens to be way out of date - because it sounds like stuff that John Doe would like statesmen to be saying now, he neglects the fact that Kissinger isn't saying it now.

    This is a bunch of baseless idiotic opinions...

    John Doe is an expert on posting baseless idiotic opinions. Clearly, he isn't good at recognising opinions which are actually baseless and idiotic.He might not espouse them quite so enthusiastically if he were, but that leads to questions about his
    moral character, which is unpleasant to the point of criminal deviance.

    Henry Kissinger is not the only world-renowned diplomat who has warned against aggressive NATO expansion to Russia's border countries.

    Some time ago, in a different context. John Doe is great at taking stuff out of context.

    More baseless idiotic opinions, as always from Bill Sloman...

    John Doe doesn't know what "baseless" means. His own opinions are quite idiotic enough to make that clear.

    --
    Bill Sloman, Sydney

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno@decadenc@21:1/5 to John Doe on Mon May 2 23:51:08 2022
    John Doe <always.look@message.header> wrote in
    news:t4ntmv$1fq$7@dont-email.me:

    DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno@decadence.org wrote:

    John Doe wrote:
    Don Y wrote:

    foreign sanctions presiding over a plummeting Russian ruble

    https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-1-d&q=Price+of+rub
    le

    The ruble is at a two-year high.

    And still only worth 1.4 cents each.

    And still nothing like "plummeting".

    It most certainly did plummet from what it was before Putin pulled
    his stupid move.

    Whereas the Mexican Peso is worth 4 times what the Russian Ruble
    is worth

    So what? What does that prove except the relative value of
    currency is more than meets the eye.

    You ain't real bright.

    Mexico is a great place if you like cockfights,

    Oh boy! More retarded RatThugLeTard stupid shit.

    but what's
    Mexico's space program like?

    You wouldn't know. You are too busy watching Fox news and Trump
    rally reruns.

    Russia has been taking our astronauts
    to the space station for the last fifteen years.

    Yep, ever since we ended the Shuttle Program we had no heavy
    booster capable. They have been popping up private satellites too.
    Nothing new.

    If Russia were
    suffering from "brain drain" as some foolishly claim,

    You are an idiot.

    why does our
    government constantly warn us about Russian hackers?

    Hackers are good at hacking, but are typically pretty stupid in
    nearly all other areas. And the fact that a nation has large numbers
    of hackers points mpore toward bad criminal law policy and bad
    policing of any existing laws than it would toward a tech or science
    savvy realm. Same reason bootleg DVDs were rampant in Thailand for
    so long. And this nation actually encourages the hacking. Again,
    that doesn't make them smart.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From Flyguy@21:1/5 to bill....@ieee.org on Mon May 2 17:12:54 2022
    On Sunday, May 1, 2022 at 11:56:23 PM UTC-7, bill....@ieee.org wrote:
    On Monday, May 2, 2022 at 4:43:52 PM UTC+10, John Doe wrote:
    Anthony William Sloman <bill....@ieee.org> wrote:

    On Monday, May 2, 2022 at 3:39:03 PM UTC+10, John Doe wrote:
    David Eather <eatREM...@tpg.com.au> wrote:
    On 24/04/2022 11:26 am, John Doe wrote:

    ... (snip - who cares?)

    did Hitler teach you nothing?

    First invade all those "ethnically" friendly regions like donbast, aus
    tria, moldova, sudaten lands, crimea and Slovakia, Georgia. (don't mention that Putin needs a bigger economy so his country isn't swallowed up by the Chinese)

    Then hold "elections" with an opposition unable to campaign, the
    population bloated by trucked in "patriots" and everyone else under the

    gun.

    Announce the righteousness of your actions and move on to your next >> > conflict.

    Easy.

    Can you see how Putin's approach can be seen as similar to Hitler's? >> >
    And all it needs to succeed is for everyone else to do nothing. Or if

    that is not happening threaten everyone else with nuclear weapons.

    Putin is as mad as a cut snake but only half as smart. He probably will

    pop a nuke at some point despite lack of viable targets.

    Ukraine doesn't have dense concentrations of troops or supplies. So tha
    t
    is a pretty crap target with only temporary advantages for nuke popping

    and lots of long term bad.

    Attack supplies in a country that is supplying Ukraine means attacking
    a
    NATO country and hence activating clause 5 of the NATO alliance (an >> > attack against one is an attack against against all -paraphrased). Lots

    of very long term bad.

    Bomb Kiev. Which risks killing leader of the EU or UN and would in any

    case be seen as a massive escalation and is a war crime of the highest

    order.

    The most likely is some poor schmuck Russian general will be given a >> > tactical nuke and a conventional force with orders to attack and make

    sure his attack succeeds. Then if the nuke does not do what Putin wants

    the General can be given a Soviet style trial (you know the ones with

    the body bags and firing squad already assembled before the trial
    begins), and Putin can claim he is really for peace and had nothing to

    do with it.

    Anybody can do a little research.

    allintext:"Henry Kissinger" NATO Ukraine

    Which happens to be way out of date - because it sounds like stuff that John Doe would like statesmen to be saying now, he neglects the fact that Kissinger isn't saying it now.

    This is a bunch of baseless idiotic opinions...

    John Doe is an expert on posting baseless idiotic opinions. Clearly, he isn't good at recognising opinions which are actually baseless and idiotic.He might not espouse them quite so enthusiastically if he were, but that leads to questions about his
    moral character, which is unpleasant to the point of criminal deviance.

    Henry Kissinger is not the only world-renowned diplomat who has warned against aggressive NATO expansion to Russia's border countries.
    Some time ago, in a different context. John Doe is great at taking stuff out of context.

    More baseless idiotic opinions, as always from Bill Sloman...

    John Doe doesn't know what "baseless" means. His own opinions are quite idiotic enough to make that clear.

    Well, John does - it is YOU that is clueless. But you just make up shit out of thin air, also known as lying, so that isn't surprising.

    --
    Bill Sloman, Sydney

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  • From Anthony William Sloman@21:1/5 to Flyguy on Mon May 2 17:30:46 2022
    On Tuesday, May 3, 2022 at 10:12:58 AM UTC+10, Flyguy wrote:
    On Sunday, May 1, 2022 at 11:56:23 PM UTC-7, bill....@ieee.org wrote:
    On Monday, May 2, 2022 at 4:43:52 PM UTC+10, John Doe wrote:
    Anthony William Sloman <bill....@ieee.org> wrote:
    On Monday, May 2, 2022 at 3:39:03 PM UTC+10, John Doe wrote:
    David Eather <eatREM...@tpg.com.au> wrote:
    On 24/04/2022 11:26 am, John Doe wrote:

    <snip>

    Henry Kissinger is not the only world-renowned diplomat who has warned against aggressive NATO expansion to Russia's border countries.
    Some time ago, in a different context. John Doe is great at taking stuff out of context.

    More baseless idiotic opinions, as always from Bill Sloman...

    John Doe doesn't know what "baseless" means. His own opinions are quite idiotic enough to make that clear.

    Well, John does - it is YOU that is clueless. But you just make up shit out of thin air, also known as lying, so that isn't surprising.

    That is actually a lie. You are too far gone in senile dementia to realise it, but what I'm actually doing is making plausible hypotheses based on the evidence available, and you don't like these hypotheses, but are perfectly incapable of organising
    evidence to prove them wrong. Calling them "lies" is easier, but incorrect.

    Your opinions about what John Doe might know reflect the fact that you too seem to get your "facts" from Fox News and similar unreliable sources, who cultivate a gullible audience as a service to their advertisers.

    --
    Bill Sloman, Sydney

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  • From David Eather@21:1/5 to DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno@decadenc on Tue May 3 13:48:02 2022
    On 2/05/2022 4:07 pm, DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno@decadence.org wrote:
    John Doe <always.look@message.header> wrote in news:t4nqgd$1fq$2@dont- email.me:

    Don Y <blockedofcourse@foo.invalid> wrote:

    foreign sanctions presiding over a plummeting Russian ruble

    https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-1-d&q=Price+of+ruble

    The ruble is at a two-year high.


    And still only worth 1.4 cents each.

    Whereas the Mexican Peso is worth 4 times what the Russian Ruble is
    worth, AND Russian citizens have a hard time getting cash because all
    the banks shut down.

    Dancing around at the bottom of the barrel is still only dancing at
    the bottom of the barrel.

    it's even worse than you think. Early in the cold war one ruble was
    worth 1 USD. Then the currency became so debased that the "fix" was to
    take 1000 old rubles and issue 1 new ruble as the replacement, then the
    new ruble was "nominally" worth 1 USD. The citizens joke was that the government took all the zero's off the money and put them on the prices.

    Now that new ruble is worth 2 cents - putler himself has managed to rule
    while his own currency has dropped further to one tenth of what it was
    when he started, and that is despite billions of dollars flowing in to
    the country for energy.

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  • From Flyguy@21:1/5 to bill....@ieee.org on Mon May 2 20:53:15 2022
    On Monday, May 2, 2022 at 5:30:50 PM UTC-7, bill....@ieee.org wrote:
    On Tuesday, May 3, 2022 at 10:12:58 AM UTC+10, Flyguy wrote:
    On Sunday, May 1, 2022 at 11:56:23 PM UTC-7, bill....@ieee.org wrote:
    On Monday, May 2, 2022 at 4:43:52 PM UTC+10, John Doe wrote:
    Anthony William Sloman <bill....@ieee.org> wrote:
    On Monday, May 2, 2022 at 3:39:03 PM UTC+10, John Doe wrote:
    David Eather <eatREM...@tpg.com.au> wrote:
    On 24/04/2022 11:26 am, John Doe wrote:
    <snip>
    Henry Kissinger is not the only world-renowned diplomat who has warned against aggressive NATO expansion to Russia's border countries.
    Some time ago, in a different context. John Doe is great at taking stuff out of context.

    More baseless idiotic opinions, as always from Bill Sloman...

    John Doe doesn't know what "baseless" means. His own opinions are quite idiotic enough to make that clear.

    Well, John does - it is YOU that is clueless. But you just make up shit out of thin air, also known as lying, so that isn't surprising.
    That is actually a lie. You are too far gone in senile dementia to realise it, but what I'm actually doing is making plausible hypotheses based on the evidence available, and you don't like these hypotheses, but are perfectly incapable of organising
    evidence to prove them wrong. Calling them "lies" is easier, but incorrect.

    Your opinions about what John Doe might know reflect the fact that you too seem to get your "facts" from Fox News and similar unreliable sources, who cultivate a gullible audience as a service to their advertisers.

    --
    SNIPPERMAN, Sydney

    Hey SNIPPERMAN, I know ALL ABOUT your so-called "facts" and they are totally invented out of thin air. Fox News has NOTHING to do with it, just another diversion tactic from your feeble brain. But, then again, what do you expect from someone that thinks
    that NUKING and FIRE BOMBING his OWN COUNTRY is a good idea.

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  • From Anthony William Sloman@21:1/5 to Flyguy on Mon May 2 21:59:05 2022
    On Tuesday, May 3, 2022 at 1:53:18 PM UTC+10, Flyguy wrote:
    On Monday, May 2, 2022 at 5:30:50 PM UTC-7, bill....@ieee.org wrote:
    On Tuesday, May 3, 2022 at 10:12:58 AM UTC+10, Flyguy wrote:
    On Sunday, May 1, 2022 at 11:56:23 PM UTC-7, bill....@ieee.org wrote:
    On Monday, May 2, 2022 at 4:43:52 PM UTC+10, John Doe wrote:
    Anthony William Sloman <bill....@ieee.org> wrote:
    On Monday, May 2, 2022 at 3:39:03 PM UTC+10, John Doe wrote:
    David Eather <eatREM...@tpg.com.au> wrote:
    On 24/04/2022 11:26 am, John Doe wrote:
    <snip>
    Henry Kissinger is not the only world-renowned diplomat who has warned against aggressive NATO expansion to Russia's border countries.
    Some time ago, in a different context. John Doe is great at taking stuff out of context.

    More baseless idiotic opinions, as always from Bill Sloman...

    John Doe doesn't know what "baseless" means. His own opinions are quite idiotic enough to make that clear.

    Well, John does - it is YOU that is clueless. But you just make up shit out of thin air, also known as lying, so that isn't surprising.
    That is actually a lie. You are too far gone in senile dementia to realise it, but what I'm actually doing is making plausible hypotheses based on the evidence available, and you don't like these hypotheses, but are perfectly incapable of organising
    evidence to prove them wrong. Calling them "lies" is easier, but incorrect.

    Your opinions about what John Doe might know reflect the fact that you too seem to get your "facts" from Fox News and similar unreliable sources, who cultivate a gullible audience as a service to their advertisers.

    Hey Sloman, I know ALL ABOUT your so-called "facts" and they are totally invented out of thin air.

    The idea of Flyguy knowing "all about" anything is spectacularly implausible. When an idiot like him makes that kind of claim you know that they so deeply sunk in self delusion that they will never dig themselves out of it.

    Fox News has NOTHING to do with it, just another diversion tactic from your feeble brain.

    Fox News is just one of the nonsense peddlers that serves up the kind of nonsense that you, John Doe and Cursitor Doom find irresistibly attractive.

    But, then again, what do you expect from someone that thinks that NUKING and FIRE BOMBING his OWN COUNTRY is a good idea.

    Flyguy has managed to delude himself into thinking that stuff I posted months ago could be seen as meaning something like that. It's more of his idiot misapprehension - two more holes that he is obviously incapable of digging himself out of.

    --
    Bill Sloman, Sydney

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  • From John Doe@21:1/5 to Anthony William Sloman on Tue May 3 10:35:08 2022
    XPost: free.spam

    Bill "Bozo" Sloman is a trollish clown...

    --
    Anthony William Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> wrote:

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    On Monday, May 2, 2022 at 4:28:54 PM UTC+10, John Doe wrote:
    DecadentLinux...@decadence.org wrote:

    John Doe wrote:
    Don Y wrote:

    foreign sanctions presiding over a plummeting Russian ruble

    https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-1-d&q=Price+of+rubl
    e

    The ruble is at a two-year high.

    And still only worth 1.4 cents each.

    And still nothing like "plummeting".

    Whereas the Mexican Peso is worth 4 times what the Russian Ruble is wor
    th.

    So what? What does that prove except the relative value of currency is
    more than meets the eye.

    Mexico is a great place if you like cockfights, but what's Mexico's space

    program like? Russia has been taking our astronauts to the space station

    for the last fifteen years.

    That reflects the fact that Russian hydrogen bombs started off heavier than US hydrogen bombs ever were, and the rockets that got mass produced at the time are still around to put stuff into orbit.

    If Russia were suffering from "brain drain" as some foolishly claim, why
    does our government constantly warn us about Russian hackers?

    The Russians can't find useful employment for all those members of the population who are good with computers, so use the leftovers to get into other people's computer systems, rather than finding constructive stuff for them to do. The more ingenious
    hacker find ways of getting overseas jobs, but some are content with what the Russian state can offer them (which isn't much). The US did hack the Iranian computer system that controlled Iran's nuclear enrichment centrifuges, so foreign governments may
    be warning their populations against US hackers in the same way.

    --
    Bill Sloman, Sydney


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  • From John Doe@21:1/5 to David Eather on Tue May 3 10:36:40 2022
    XPost: free.spam

    Yada yada yada.
    You hate Russia. So what? Go cry to your mother.

    --
    David Eather <eatREMOVEher@tpg.com.au> wrote:

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    On 2/05/2022 4:07 pm, DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno@decadence.org wrote:
    John Doe <always.look@message.header> wrote in news:t4nqgd$1fq$2@dont-
    email.me:

    Don Y <blockedofcourse@foo.invalid> wrote:

    foreign sanctions presiding over a plummeting Russian ruble

    https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-1-d&q=Price+of+ruble

    The ruble is at a two-year high.


    And still only worth 1.4 cents each.

    Whereas the Mexican Peso is worth 4 times what the Russian Ruble is
    worth, AND Russian citizens have a hard time getting cash because all
    the banks shut down.

    Dancing around at the bottom of the barrel is still only dancing at
    the bottom of the barrel.

    it's even worse than you think. Early in the cold war one ruble was
    worth 1 USD. Then the currency became so debased that the "fix" was to
    take 1000 old rubles and issue 1 new ruble as the replacement, then the
    new ruble was "nominally" worth 1 USD. The citizens joke was that the government took all the zero's off the money and put them on the prices.

    Now that new ruble is worth 2 cents - putler himself has managed to rule while his own currency has dropped further to one tenth of what it was
    when he started, and that is despite billions of dollars flowing in to
    the country for energy.


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  • From John Doe@21:1/5 to DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno@decadenc on Tue May 3 10:31:56 2022
    XPost: free.spam

    Comparing Russia to Mexico is clownish...

    --
    DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno@decadence.org wrote:

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    From: DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno@decadence.org
    Newsgroups: sci.electronics.design
    Subject: Re: Russian collapse
    Date: Mon, 2 May 2022 23:51:08 -0000 (UTC)
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    John Doe <always.look@message.header> wrote in news:t4ntmv$1fq$7@dont-email.me:

    DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno@decadence.org wrote:

    John Doe wrote:
    Don Y wrote:

    foreign sanctions presiding over a plummeting Russian ruble

    https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-1-d&q=Price+of+rub
    le

    The ruble is at a two-year high.

    And still only worth 1.4 cents each.

    And still nothing like "plummeting".

    It most certainly did plummet from what it was before Putin pulled
    his stupid move.

    Whereas the Mexican Peso is worth 4 times what the Russian Ruble
    is worth

    So what? What does that prove except the relative value of
    currency is more than meets the eye.

    You ain't real bright.

    Mexico is a great place if you like cockfights,

    Oh boy! More retarded RatThugLeTard stupid shit.

    but what's
    Mexico's space program like?

    You wouldn't know. You are too busy watching Fox news and Trump
    rally reruns.

    Russia has been taking our astronauts
    to the space station for the last fifteen years.

    Yep, ever since we ended the Shuttle Program we had no heavy
    booster capable. They have been popping up private satellites too.
    Nothing new.

    If Russia were
    suffering from "brain drain" as some foolishly claim,

    You are an idiot.

    why does our
    government constantly warn us about Russian hackers?

    Hackers are good at hacking, but are typically pretty stupid in
    nearly all other areas. And the fact that a nation has large numbers
    of hackers points mpore toward bad criminal law policy and bad
    policing of any existing laws than it would toward a tech or science
    savvy realm. Same reason bootleg DVDs were rampant in Thailand for
    so long. And this nation actually encourages the hacking. Again,
    that doesn't make them smart.




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  • From Edward Hernandez@21:1/5 to All on Tue May 3 10:59:10 2022
    XPost: free.spam

    The John Doe troll stated the following in message-id <sdhn7c$pkp$4@dont-email.me>:

    The troll doesn't even know how to format a USENET post...

    And the John Doe troll stated the following in message-id <sg3kr7$qt5$1@dont-email.me>:

    The reason Bozo cannot figure out how to get Google to keep from
    breaking its lines in inappropriate places is because Bozo is
    CLUELESS...

    And yet, the clueless John Doe troll has itself posted yet another
    incorrectly formatted USENET posting on Tue, 3 May 2022 10:35:08 -0000
    (UTC) in message-id <t4r0gs$o6q$2@dont-email.me>.

    Further, Troll Doe stated the following in message-id <svsh05$lbh$5@dont-email.me> posted Fri, 4 Mar 2022 08:01:09 -0000
    (UTC):

    Compared to other regulars, Bozo contributes practically nothing
    except insults to this group.

    Yet, since Wed, 5 Jan 2022 04:10:38 -0000 (UTC) Troll Doe's post ratio
    to USENET (**) has been 58.3% of its posts contributing "nothing except insults" to USENET.

    ** Since Wed, 5 Jan 2022 04:10:38 -0000 (UTC) Troll Doe has posted at
    least 1202 articles to USENET. Of which 141 have been pure insults and
    560 have been Troll Doe "troll format" postings.

    TAjD22+0ZZ1D

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  • From John Doe@21:1/5 to Edward Hernandez on Tue May 3 11:47:27 2022
    XPost: free.spam

    Eddie wants so badly to nym-shift. That's a no-no here, Eddie!

    Eddie has never posted anything NORMAL except when it got a spanking...

    https://groups.google.com/g/sci.electronics.repair/c/MesPLcGU4BE

    See also...
    John Doe <always.look@message.header> (astraweb)
    Peter Weiner <dtgamer99@gmail.com>
    Edward H. <dtgamer99@gmail.com>
    Edward Hernandez <dtgamer99@gmail.com>

    Eddie is an example for all newbies. Don't get spanked!

    Spanked Eddie...

    --
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    The John Doe troll stated the following in message-id <sdhn7c$pkp$4@dont-email.me>:

    The troll doesn't even know how to format a USENET post...

    And the John Doe troll stated the following in message-id <sg3kr7$qt5$1@dont-email.me>:

    The reason Bozo cannot figure out how to get Google to keep from
    breaking its lines in inappropriate places is because Bozo is
    CLUELESS...

    And yet, the clueless John Doe troll has itself posted yet another incorrectly formatted USENET posting on Tue, 3 May 2022 10:35:08 -0000
    (UTC) in message-id <t4r0gs$o6q$2@dont-email.me>.

    Further, Troll Doe stated the following in message-id <svsh05$lbh$5@dont-email.me> posted Fri, 4 Mar 2022 08:01:09 -0000
    (UTC):

    Compared to other regulars, Bozo contributes practically nothing
    except insults to this group.

    Yet, since Wed, 5 Jan 2022 04:10:38 -0000 (UTC) Troll Doe's post ratio
    to USENET (**) has been 58.3% of its posts contributing "nothing except insults" to USENET.

    ** Since Wed, 5 Jan 2022 04:10:38 -0000 (UTC) Troll Doe has posted at
    least 1202 articles to USENET. Of which 141 have been pure insults and
    560 have been Troll Doe "troll format" postings.

    TAjD22+0ZZ1D




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  • From Anthony William Sloman@21:1/5 to John Doe on Tue May 3 04:48:57 2022
    On Tuesday, May 3, 2022 at 8:35:17 PM UTC+10, John Doe wrote:
    Anthony William Sloman <bill....@ieee.org> wrote:
    On Monday, May 2, 2022 at 4:28:54 PM UTC+10, John Doe wrote:
    DecadentLinux...@decadence.org wrote:
    John Doe wrote:
    Don Y wrote:

    <snip>

    Mexico is a great place if you like cockfights, but what's Mexico's space program like? Russia has been taking our astronauts to the space station for the last fifteen years.

    That reflects the fact that Russian hydrogen bombs started off heavier than US hydrogen bombs ever were, and the rockets that got mass produced at the time are still around to put stuff into orbit.

    If Russia were suffering from "brain drain" as some foolishly claim, why does our government constantly warn us about Russian hackers?

    The Russians can't find useful employment for all those members of the population who are good with computers, so use the leftovers to get into other people's computer systems, rather than finding constructive stuff for them to do. The more ingenious
    hackers find ways of getting overseas jobs, but some are content with what the Russian state can offer them (which isn't much). The US did hack the Iranian computer system that controlled Iran's nuclear enrichment centrifuges, so foreign governments may
    be warning their populations against US hackers in the same way.

    Bill Sloman is a trollish clown...

    Or so John Doe likes to claim. Since he actually is a troll, and I've just shown his opinions to be comically silly, he looks rather more like the trolling clown here.

    --
    Bill Sloman, Sydney

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From Edward Hernandez@21:1/5 to All on Tue May 3 12:05:11 2022
    XPost: free.spam

    The John Doe troll stated the following in message-id <sdhn7c$pkp$4@dont-email.me>:

    The troll doesn't even know how to format a USENET post...

    And the John Doe troll stated the following in message-id <sg3kr7$qt5$1@dont-email.me>:

    The reason Bozo cannot figure out how to get Google to keep from
    breaking its lines in inappropriate places is because Bozo is
    CLUELESS...

    And yet, the clueless John Doe troll has continued to post incorrectly formatted USENET articles that are devoid of content (latest example on
    Tue, 3 May 2022 11:47:39 -0000 (UTC) in message-id <t4r4oq$o6q$12@dont-email.me>).

    NOBODY likes the John Doe troll's contentless spam.

    Further, Troll Doe stated the following in message-id <svsh05$lbh$5@dont-email.me> posted Fri, 4 Mar 2022 08:01:09 -0000
    (UTC):

    Compared to other regulars, Bozo contributes practically nothing
    except insults to this group.

    Yet, since Wed, 5 Jan 2022 04:10:38 -0000 (UTC) Troll Doe's post ratio
    to USENET (**) has been 59.4% of its posts contributing "nothing except insults" to USENET.

    ** Since Wed, 5 Jan 2022 04:10:38 -0000 (UTC) Troll Doe has posted at
    least 1234 articles to USENET. Of which 141 have been pure insults and
    592 have been Troll Doe "troll format" postings.

    This posting is a public service announcement for any google groups
    readers who happen by to point out that the John Doe troll does not even
    follow the rules it uses to troll other posters.

    91XgaQ90ZoRy

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com@21:1/5 to blockedofcourse@foo.invalid on Tue May 3 07:20:11 2022
    On Sat, 23 Apr 2022 15:00:10 -0700, Don Y
    <blockedofcourse@foo.invalid> wrote:

    Perhaps, like all politicians, Putin knows The Inevitable and is
    looking for a distraction to stave it off -- for as long as possible?

    For a sampling (many hits):

    <https://www.eurointegration.com.ua/eng/news/2022/04/7/7137384/>

    <https://www.yahoo.com/news/russia-facing-outright-defeat-sudden-041309456.html>

    <https://www.newsweek.com/china-fears-russia-collapse-ukraine-taiwan-foreign-minister-joseph-wu-1693195>

    <https://www.aljazeera.com/opinions/2022/3/4/russias-looming-economic-crisis-will-be-worse-than-1991>

    <https://www.newconservativepost.com/2022/03/is-russia-on-the-brink-of-collapse/>

    "The worst appears yet to come from Putins confusion of Russia, which
    had a GDP the size of Texas before the war, with the former Russian Empire >from 100 years ago. As has been noted, even before the invasion, Russias >economic capabilities were hardly capable of sustaining an empire. Now, with >foreign sanctions presiding over a plummeting Russian ruble, Russias economic >standing has fallen further still. If measured at todays exchange rates, >Russias economy would be the 22nd largest in the world, with a gross domestic >product (GDP) not much larger than the state of Ohios. How do you say >Mississippi, here we come! in Russian?"

    And we know EVERYONE aspires to emulate Mississippi! Even Alabama!

    This is sad:

    https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2022/05/03/food-crisis-millions-of-tons-of-grain-stuck-in-ukraine-as-russias-war-blocks-exports/

    Millions might die. Not in Mississippi.







    --

    Anybody can count to one.

    - Robert Widlar

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  • From DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno@decadenc@21:1/5 to John Doe on Tue May 3 18:51:58 2022
    John Doe <always.look@message.header> wrote in news:t4r0ar$o6q$1@dont- email.me:

    Comparing Russia to Mexico is clownish...


    I mentioned currency. That is all. Nothing clowninsh about it.

    You are the idiot that started barking about the rest of the world
    and the US using Russia's 60 year old heavy booster program to boost
    heavy payloads into space. You have no clue how expensive that is and therefore no clue why several nations would opt for that rather than
    trying to start their own heavy booster program.

    You, motherfucker, are the clownish one.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno@decadenc@21:1/5 to John Dope on Tue May 3 18:53:08 2022
    John Dope <always.look@message.header> wrote in news:t4r0jo$o6q$3@dont- email.me:

    Yada yada yada.

    The utter idiot who NEVER has an actual argument or rebuttal calls us
    clowns.

    John DOPE is about as stupid as it gets.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From David Eather@21:1/5 to John Doe on Wed May 4 13:34:23 2022
    XPost: free.spam

    On 3/05/2022 8:36 pm, John Doe wrote:
    Yada yada yada.
    You hate Russia. So what? Go cry to your mother.


    Actually I quiet like Russia and Russian people. There is much about
    them to be admired.

    But Putler is a prick who has only been interested in his own power and
    his personal perceptions of greatness. And for that he has made at LEAST
    five invasions of neighboring countries, had the FSB blow up residential buildings in Moscow and St Petersberg at times guaranteed to kill the
    maximum number of his own civilians to bolster support for his war in
    Chechnya, killing anyone who opposes him (journalists and the opposition
    leader virtually on the stairs of the Russian parliament and is
    currently killing people in Ukraine who were living peacefully with him.

    Make no mistake Putler is a monster and what he has done and is doing
    has nothing to do with making a greater Russia. It is all about keeping
    himself in power.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From John Doe@21:1/5 to David Eather on Wed May 4 04:53:21 2022
    XPost: free.spam

    "Their people are good. Their leader is evil."
    Classic imperialist propaganda.

    Amazing how many people from squeaky little countries are complaining that America is not making more war. Usually those squeaky little people are
    bashing us for making too much war. These squeaky little people hate
    Russia more than they hate America...

    --
    David Eather <eatREMOVEher@tpg.com.au> wrote:

    Date: Wed, 4 May 2022 13:34:23 +1000
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    On 3/05/2022 8:36 pm, John Doe wrote:
    Yada yada yada.
    You hate Russia. So what? Go cry to your mother.


    Actually I quiet like Russia and Russian people. There is much about
    them to be admired.

    But Putler is a prick who has only been interested in his own power and
    his personal perceptions of greatness. And for that he has made at LEAST
    five invasions of neighboring countries, had the FSB blow up residential buildings in Moscow and St Petersberg at times guaranteed to kill the
    maximum number of his own civilians to bolster support for his war in Chechnya, killing anyone who opposes him (journalists and the opposition leader virtually on the stairs of the Russian parliament and is
    currently killing people in Ukraine who were living peacefully with him.

    Make no mistake Putler is a monster and what he has done and is doing
    has nothing to do with making a greater Russia. It is all about keeping himself in power.



    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From John Doe@21:1/5 to DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno@decadenc on Wed May 4 04:54:25 2022
    XPost: free.spam

    The foulmouthed group idiot, a.k.a. Always Wrong threatens
    to kill you for not supporting "freedom"...

    --
    DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno@decadence.org wrote:

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    From: DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno@decadence.org
    Newsgroups: sci.electronics.design
    Subject: Re: Russian collapse
    Date: Tue, 3 May 2022 18:53:08 -0000 (UTC)
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    John Dope <always.look@message.header> wrote in news:t4r0jo$o6q$3@dont- email.me:

    Yada yada yada.

    The utter idiot who NEVER has an actual argument or rebuttal calls us clowns.

    John DOPE is about as stupid as it gets.



    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Edward Hernandez@21:1/5 to All on Wed May 4 05:26:37 2022
    XPost: free.spam

    The John Doe troll stated the following in message-id <sdhn7c$pkp$4@dont-email.me>:

    The troll doesn't even know how to format a USENET post...

    And the John Doe troll stated the following in message-id <sg3kr7$qt5$1@dont-email.me>:

    The reason Bozo cannot figure out how to get Google to keep from
    breaking its lines in inappropriate places is because Bozo is
    CLUELESS...

    And yet, the clueless John Doe troll has itself posted yet another
    incorrectly formatted USENET posting on Wed, 4 May 2022 04:53:21 -0000
    (UTC) in message-id <t4t0s1$vfr$1@dont-email.me>.

    Further, Troll Doe stated the following in message-id <svsh05$lbh$5@dont-email.me> posted Fri, 4 Mar 2022 08:01:09 -0000
    (UTC):

    Compared to other regulars, Bozo contributes practically nothing
    except insults to this group.

    Yet, since Wed, 5 Jan 2022 04:10:38 -0000 (UTC) Troll Doe's post ratio
    to USENET (**) has been 59.8% of its posts contributing "nothing except insults" to USENET.

    ** Since Wed, 5 Jan 2022 04:10:38 -0000 (UTC) Troll Doe has posted at
    least 1246 articles to USENET. Of which 141 have been pure insults and
    604 have been Troll Doe "troll format" postings.

    CHLrV20uPAv4

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From John Doe@21:1/5 to jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com on Wed May 4 05:28:32 2022
    jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:

    This is sad:

    https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2022/05/03/food-crisis-millions-of-ton s-of-grain-stuck-in-ukraine-as-russias-war-blocks-exports/

    That is common knowledge among everybody who cares to know anything about
    the subject. It's a casualty of war. Long past time for Ukraine to humble itself and surrender.

    Millions might die. Not in Mississippi.

    Weeks ago, I mentioned the likelihood Russia would tear up all of
    Ukraine's railroads if foreign governments continue sending weapons, and
    that would eliminate their massive wheat exports.

    We will send enough weapons so they can fight to the last Ukrainian!!!
    Males 18-50.

    Deep State military-industrial complex needs the prophets. It's been a
    long eight months since we left Afghanistan. So many hungry little
    warmongers to feed.

    Maybe companies that make weapons of war should be prohibited from the
    stock exchange. But that might promote humanity.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From John Doe@21:1/5 to Edward Hernandez on Wed May 4 05:29:07 2022
    XPost: free.spam

    Eddie wants so badly to nym-shift. That's a no-no here, Eddie!

    Eddie has never posted anything NORMAL except when it got a spanking...

    https://groups.google.com/g/sci.electronics.repair/c/MesPLcGU4BE

    See also...
    John Doe <always.look@message.header> (astraweb)
    Peter Weiner <dtgamer99@gmail.com>
    Edward H. <dtgamer99@gmail.com>
    Edward Hernandez <dtgamer99@gmail.com>

    Eddie is an example for all newbies. Don't get spanked!

    Spanked Eddie...

    --
    Edward Hernandez <dtgamer99@gmail.com> wrote:

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    Subject: Re: Russian collapse
    Newsgroups: sci.electronics.design,free.spam
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    The John Doe troll stated the following in message-id <sdhn7c$pkp$4@dont-email.me>:

    The troll doesn't even know how to format a USENET post...

    And the John Doe troll stated the following in message-id <sg3kr7$qt5$1@dont-email.me>:

    The reason Bozo cannot figure out how to get Google to keep from
    breaking its lines in inappropriate places is because Bozo is
    CLUELESS...

    And yet, the clueless John Doe troll has continued to post incorrectly formatted USENET articles that are devoid of content (latest example on
    Wed, 4 May 2022 04:54:25 -0000 (UTC) in message-id <t4t0u0$vfr$2@dont-email.me>).

    NOBODY likes the John Doe troll's contentless spam.

    Further, Troll Doe stated the following in message-id <svsh05$lbh$5@dont-email.me> posted Fri, 4 Mar 2022 08:01:09 -0000
    (UTC):

    Compared to other regulars, Bozo contributes practically nothing
    except insults to this group.

    Yet, since Wed, 5 Jan 2022 04:10:38 -0000 (UTC) Troll Doe's post ratio
    to USENET (**) has been 59.8% of its posts contributing "nothing except insults" to USENET.

    ** Since Wed, 5 Jan 2022 04:10:38 -0000 (UTC) Troll Doe has posted at
    least 1246 articles to USENET. Of which 141 have been pure insults and
    604 have been Troll Doe "troll format" postings.

    This posting is a public service announcement for any google groups
    readers who happen by to point out that the John Doe troll does not even follow the rules it uses to troll other posters.

    MZQdBdt/oWlm




    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From Edward Hernandez@21:1/5 to All on Wed May 4 05:30:04 2022
    XPost: free.spam

    The John Doe troll stated the following in message-id <sdhn7c$pkp$4@dont-email.me>:

    The troll doesn't even know how to format a USENET post...

    And the John Doe troll stated the following in message-id <sg3kr7$qt5$1@dont-email.me>:

    The reason Bozo cannot figure out how to get Google to keep from
    breaking its lines in inappropriate places is because Bozo is
    CLUELESS...

    And yet, the clueless John Doe troll has itself posted yet another
    incorrectly formatted USENET posting on Wed, 4 May 2022 05:29:25 -0000
    (UTC) in message-id <t4t2vk$vfr$9@dont-email.me>.

    Further, John Doe stated the following in message-id <svsh05$lbh$5@dont-email.me> posted Fri, 4 Mar 2022 08:01:09 -0000
    (UTC):

    Compared to other regulars, Bozo contributes practically nothing
    except insults to this group.

    Yet, since Wed, 5 Jan 2022 04:10:38 -0000 (UTC) John Doe's post ratio to
    USENET (**) has been 59.9% of its posts contributing "nothing except
    insults" to USENET.

    ** Since Wed, 5 Jan 2022 04:10:38 -0000 (UTC) John Doe has posted at
    least 1253 articles to USENET. Of which 141 have been pure insults and
    610 have been John Doe "troll format" postings.

    ICtRFW7lFSWj

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From Anthony William Sloman@21:1/5 to John Doe on Wed May 4 00:41:43 2022
    On Wednesday, May 4, 2022 at 3:28:39 PM UTC+10, John Doe wrote:
    jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:

    This is sad:

    https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2022/05/03/food-crisis-millions-of-ton s-of-grain-stuck-in-ukraine-as-russias-war-blocks-exports/

    That is common knowledge among everybody who cares to know anything about the subject. It's a casualty of war. Long past time for Ukraine to humble itself and surrender.

    Or for Russia to come to it's senses and give up on it's hopeless attempts to occupy even more of it's neighbour.

    Millions might die. Not in Mississippi.

    Weeks ago, I mentioned the likelihood Russia would tear up all of Ukraine's railroads if foreign governments continue sending weapons, and that would eliminate their massive wheat exports.

    Shelling large chunks of the country makes planting and harvesting wheat pretty problematic.

    We will send enough weapons so they can fight to the last Ukrainian!!! Males 18-50.

    Or the last Russian. The attacker tends to lose more soldiers - even more when the attack is incompetent.

    Deep State military-industrial complex needs the prophets.

    It doesn't need prophets. It needs profits, which is to say customers

    It's been a long eight months since we left Afghanistan. So many hungry little warmongers to feed.

    Just shareholders. The military-industrial complex just needs people to buy it's weapons. They couldn't care less what it's customers do with their weapons once they have bought them. Fighting wars with them shows up the weapons that don't work, which
    can reduce sales.

    Maybe companies that make weapons of war should be prohibited from the stock exchange. But that might promote humanity.

    So the business should be run like the international drug trade? That doesn't seem to be doing much for humanity.

    --
    Bill Sloman, Sydney

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From John Doe@21:1/5 to Anthony William Sloman on Wed May 4 09:28:58 2022
    XPost: free.spam

    Bozo is a clown.

    Bozo Bill Sloman, the most frequent troll in this group, is an attention-craving chronic liar who cannot be reasoned with...

    "the user has posted under the same name in other places, so not
    nym-shifting" (Bozo sucks at logic)

    "the Mueller investigation was about Trump only because Trump made it so"
    (Bozo lying)

    "the concepts "male" and "female" are essentially social constructions"
    (Bozo being weird)

    --
    Anthony William Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> wrote:

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    On Wednesday, May 4, 2022 at 3:28:39 PM UTC+10, John Doe wrote:
    jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:

    This is sad:

    https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2022/05/03/food-crisis-millions-of-t
    on
    s-of-grain-stuck-in-ukraine-as-russias-war-blocks-exports/

    That is common knowledge among everybody who cares to know anything about

    the subject. It's a casualty of war. Long past time for Ukraine to humble

    itself and surrender.

    Or for Russia to come to it's senses and give up on it's hopeless attempts to occupy even more of it's neighbour.

    Millions might die. Not in Mississippi.

    Weeks ago, I mentioned the likelihood Russia would tear up all of Ukrain
    e's railroads if foreign governments continue sending weapons, and that would eliminate their massive wheat exports.

    Shelling large chunks of the country makes planting and harvesting wheat pretty problematic.

    We will send enough weapons so they can fight to the last Ukrainian!!! M
    ales 18-50.

    Or the last Russian. The attacker tends to lose more soldiers - even more when the attack is incompetent.

    Deep State military-industrial complex needs the prophets.

    It doesn't need prophets. It needs profits, which is to say customers

    It's been a long eight months since we left Afghanistan. So many hungry
    little warmongers to feed.

    Just shareholders. The military-industrial complex just needs people to buy it's weapons. They couldn't care less what it's customers do with their weapons once they have bought them. Fighting wars with them shows up the weapons that don't work, which
    can reduce sales.

    Maybe companies that make weapons of war should be prohibited from the s
    tock exchange. But that might promote humanity.

    So the business should be run like the international drug trade? That doesn't seem to be doing much for humanity.

    --
    Bill Sloman, Sydney


    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Edward Hernandez@21:1/5 to All on Wed May 4 09:45:33 2022
    XPost: free.spam

    The John Doe troll stated the following in message-id <sdhn7c$pkp$4@dont-email.me>:

    The troll doesn't even know how to format a USENET post...

    And the John Doe troll stated the following in message-id <sg3kr7$qt5$1@dont-email.me>:

    The reason Bozo cannot figure out how to get Google to keep from
    breaking its lines in inappropriate places is because Bozo is
    CLUELESS...

    And yet, the clueless John Doe troll has itself posted yet another
    incorrectly formatted USENET posting on Wed, 4 May 2022 09:28:58 -0000
    (UTC) in message-id <t4th0p$eno$1@dont-email.me>.

    Further, John Doe stated the following in message-id <svsh05$lbh$5@dont-email.me> posted Fri, 4 Mar 2022 08:01:09 -0000
    (UTC):

    Compared to other regulars, Bozo contributes practically nothing
    except insults to this group.

    Yet, since Wed, 5 Jan 2022 04:10:38 -0000 (UTC) John Doe's post ratio to
    USENET (**) has been 60.6% of its posts contributing "nothing except
    insults" to USENET.

    ** Since Wed, 5 Jan 2022 04:10:38 -0000 (UTC) John Doe has posted at
    least 1276 articles to USENET. Of which 141 have been pure insults and
    632 have been John Doe "troll format" postings.

    This posting is a public service announcement for any google groups
    readers who happen by to point out that the John Doe troll does not even
    follow the rules it uses to troll other posters.

    2LH15F0WqVl2

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  • From Edward Hernandez@21:1/5 to All on Wed May 4 09:51:21 2022
    XPost: free.spam

    The John Doe troll stated the following in message-id <sdhn7c$pkp$4@dont-email.me>:

    The troll doesn't even know how to format a USENET post...

    And the John Doe troll stated the following in message-id <sg3kr7$qt5$1@dont-email.me>:

    The reason Bozo cannot figure out how to get Google to keep from
    breaking its lines in inappropriate places is because Bozo is
    CLUELESS...

    And yet, the clueless John Doe troll has continued to post incorrectly formatted USENET articles that are devoid of content (latest example on
    Wed, 4 May 2022 09:50:30 -0000 (UTC) in message-id <t4ti95$lki$7@dont-email.me>).

    NOBODY likes the John Doe troll's contentless spam.

    Further, Troll Doe stated the following in message-id <svsh05$lbh$5@dont-email.me> posted Fri, 4 Mar 2022 08:01:09 -0000
    (UTC):

    Compared to other regulars, Bozo contributes practically nothing
    except insults to this group.

    Yet, since Wed, 5 Jan 2022 04:10:38 -0000 (UTC) Troll Doe's post ratio
    to USENET (**) has been 60.9% of its posts contributing "nothing except insults" to USENET.

    ** Since Wed, 5 Jan 2022 04:10:38 -0000 (UTC) Troll Doe has posted at
    least 1289 articles to USENET. Of which 141 have been pure insults and
    644 have been Troll Doe "troll format" postings.

    This posting is a public service announcement for any google groups
    readers who happen by to point out that the John Doe troll does not even
    follow the rules it uses to troll other posters.

    DIJGAli9ctxE

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  • From Anthony William Sloman@21:1/5 to John Doe on Wed May 4 08:06:06 2022
    On Wednesday, May 4, 2022 at 7:29:06 PM UTC+10, John Doe wrote:
    Anthony William Sloman <bill....@ieee.org> wrote:

    On Wednesday, May 4, 2022 at 3:28:39 PM UTC+10, John Doe wrote:
    jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:

    <snip - I've left enough to make it clear that John Doe was posting his usual idiocies, and that I was jeering at them>>

    Deep State military-industrial complex needs the prophets.

    It doesn't need prophets. It needs profits, which is to say customers

    It's been a long eight months since we left Afghanistan. So many hungry little warmongers to feed.

    Just shareholders. The military-industrial complex just needs people to buy it's weapons. They couldn't care less what it's customers do with their weapons once they have bought them. Fighting wars with them shows up the weapons that don't work,
    which can reduce sales.

    Maybe companies that make weapons of war should be prohibited from the stock exchange. But that might promote humanity.

    So the business should be run like the international drug trade? That doesn't seem to be doing much for humanity.

    <snip. John Doe's reaction to this was purely recycled abuse, and I've snipped all of it. If any of it had been funny, he might have qualified as clown, but as it is he is merely a poor loser>

    --
    Bill Sloman, Sydney

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  • From whit3rd@21:1/5 to John Doe on Wed May 4 11:08:23 2022
    On Tuesday, May 3, 2022 at 10:28:39 PM UTC-7, John Doe wrote:

    Weeks ago, I mentioned the likelihood Russia would tear up all of
    Ukraine's railroads if foreign governments continue sending weapons, and
    that would eliminate their massive wheat exports.

    It's not easy to ruin a railroad; in hours, you can fill a crater and weld new rail in
    the gap.

    As for 'if foreign governments', you do understand that Russia is a foreign government
    which sent weapons, and troops, and is the single major problem in international relations of
    that vicinity?

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  • From John Doe@21:1/5 to Anthony William Sloman on Thu May 5 00:03:31 2022
    XPost: free.spam

    Bozo is an Australian troll.

    Bozo Bill Sloman, the most frequent troll in this group, is an attention-craving chronic liar who cannot be reasoned with...

    "the user has posted under the same name in other places, so not
    nym-shifting" (Bozo sucks at logic)

    "the Mueller investigation was about Trump only because Trump made it so"
    (Bozo lying)

    "the concepts "male" and "female" are essentially social constructions"
    (Bozo being weird)

    --
    Anthony William Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> wrote:

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    On Wednesday, May 4, 2022 at 7:29:06 PM UTC+10, John Doe wrote:
    Anthony William Sloman <bill....@ieee.org> wrote:

    On Wednesday, May 4, 2022 at 3:28:39 PM UTC+10, John Doe wrote:
    jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:

    <snip - I've left enough to make it clear that John Doe was posting his usual idiocies, and that I was jeering at them>>

    Deep State military-industrial complex needs the prophets.

    It doesn't need prophets. It needs profits, which is to say customers


    It's been a long eight months since we left Afghanistan. So many hungr
    y little warmongers to feed.

    Just shareholders. The military-industrial complex just needs people to
    buy it's weapons. They couldn't care less what it's customers do with their weapons once they have bought them. Fighting wars with them shows up the weapons that don't work, which can reduce sales.

    Maybe companies that make weapons of war should be prohibited from the
    stock exchange. But that might promote humanity.

    So the business should be run like the international drug trade? That d
    oesn't seem to be doing much for humanity.

    <snip. John Doe's reaction to this was purely recycled abuse, and I've snipped all of it. If any of it had been funny, he might have qualified as clown, but as it is he is merely a poor loser>

    --
    Bill Sloman, Sydney



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  • From John Doe@21:1/5 to whit3rd@gmail.com on Thu May 5 00:04:49 2022
    XPost: free.spam

    Too many suicidal warmongers in the world...

    --
    whit3rd <whit3rd@gmail.com> wrote:

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    On Tuesday, May 3, 2022 at 10:28:39 PM UTC-7, John Doe wrote:

    Weeks ago, I mentioned the likelihood Russia would tear up all of
    Ukraine's railroads if foreign governments continue sending weapons, and
    that would eliminate their massive wheat exports.

    It's not easy to ruin a railroad; in hours, you can fill a crater and weld new rail in
    the gap.

    As for 'if foreign governments', you do understand that Russia is a foreign government
    which sent weapons, and troops, and is the single major problem in international relations of
    that vicinity?



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  • From Edward Hernandez@21:1/5 to All on Thu May 5 00:41:32 2022
    XPost: free.spam

    The John Doe troll stated the following in message-id <sdhn7c$pkp$4@dont-email.me>:

    The troll doesn't even know how to format a USENET post...

    And the John Doe troll stated the following in message-id <sg3kr7$qt5$1@dont-email.me>:

    The reason Bozo cannot figure out how to get Google to keep from
    breaking its lines in inappropriate places is because Bozo is
    CLUELESS...

    And yet, the clueless John Doe troll has itself posted yet another
    incorrectly formatted USENET posting on Thu, 5 May 2022 00:03:31 -0000
    (UTC) in message-id <t4v48j$rv5$1@dont-email.me>.

    Further, John Doe stated the following in message-id <svsh05$lbh$5@dont-email.me> posted Fri, 4 Mar 2022 08:01:09 -0000
    (UTC):

    Compared to other regulars, Bozo contributes practically nothing
    except insults to this group.

    Yet, since Wed, 5 Jan 2022 04:10:38 -0000 (UTC) John Doe's post ratio to
    USENET (**) has been 61.1% of its posts contributing "nothing except
    insults" to USENET.

    ** Since Wed, 5 Jan 2022 04:10:38 -0000 (UTC) John Doe has posted at
    least 1297 articles to USENET. Of which 141 have been pure insults and
    652 have been John Doe "troll format" postings.

    This posting is a public service announcement for any google groups
    readers who happen by to point out that the John Doe troll does not even
    follow the rules it uses to troll other posters.

    MwUkqNtwGHoq

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  • From Edward Hernandez@21:1/5 to All on Thu May 5 02:10:21 2022
    XPost: free.spam

    The John Doe troll stated the following in message-id <sdhn7c$pkp$4@dont-email.me>:

    The troll doesn't even know how to format a USENET post...

    And the John Doe troll stated the following in message-id <sg3kr7$qt5$1@dont-email.me>:

    The reason Bozo cannot figure out how to get Google to keep from
    breaking its lines in inappropriate places is because Bozo is
    CLUELESS...

    And yet, the clueless John Doe troll has continued to post incorrectly formatted USENET articles that are devoid of content (latest example on
    Thu, 5 May 2022 01:30:08 -0000 (UTC) in message-id <t4v9b0$cq0$4@dont-email.me>).

    NOBODY likes the John Doe troll's contentless spam.

    Further, Troll Doe stated the following in message-id <svsh05$lbh$5@dont-email.me> posted Fri, 4 Mar 2022 08:01:09 -0000
    (UTC):

    Compared to other regulars, Bozo contributes practically nothing
    except insults to this group.

    Yet, since Wed, 5 Jan 2022 04:10:38 -0000 (UTC) Troll Doe's post ratio
    to USENET (**) has been 61.3% of its posts contributing "nothing except insults" to USENET.

    ** Since Wed, 5 Jan 2022 04:10:38 -0000 (UTC) Troll Doe has posted at
    least 1307 articles to USENET. Of which 141 have been pure insults and
    660 have been Troll Doe "troll format" postings.

    This posting is a public service announcement for any google groups
    readers who happen by to point out that the John Doe troll does not even
    follow the rules it uses to troll other posters.

    r6/xpx8bQnru

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  • From John Doe@21:1/5 to jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com on Thu May 5 01:21:57 2022
    jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:

    This is sad:

    https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2022/05/03/food-crisis-millions-of-tons-of-grain-stuck-in-ukraine-as-russias-war-blocks-exports/

    Millions might die. Not in Mississippi.

    The warmonger propaganda spewing news outlet fails to mention the fact transportation infrastructure is being destroyed because it is
    transporting Western weapons to Ukraine. They even divert their sheep
    readers' attention with garbage like "Russia Deliberately Manufacturing
    Supply Shortages". Nope! It's WAR, STOOPID!!!

    The real reason, the OBVIOUS reason, for stopping Ukraine's grain exports
    is mentioned here in the most recent Fox news video...

    https://youtu.be/lq-L8QbZsmU?t=19

    "Russia's military saying it used guided missiles to hit five railway
    stations being used to transport Western weapons across the country."

    Stopping transportation of Western arms to Ukraine also predictably stops Ukraine's massive grain exports. Does anybody in power think about such
    things, or are military-industrial complex profits all that matter?

    The love of money is the root of all evil.

    Here is a representative sample of Fox News viewer comments under that
    video, like under EVERY Fox news video about Ukraine-Russia...

    "Zelenskyy reacts to Russia comparing him to Hitler"

    https://youtu.be/lq-L8QbZsmU

    "Every lie incurs a debt to the truth. Zelensky's debt is an abyss."

    "This is exactly what Trump talked about when he said we must stop the
    never ending wars."

    "You say that fox, but where is that reporter that spoke against him? Why
    is that hid?"

    "I really wish our government and politicians would put this much effort
    into our own country's problems "

    "These people can't even run their small districts. What is going on?
    Since when has congress gone over to declare war?"

    "Where is the rest of the interview, Mr. Baier? I saw the missing answer
    to the missing question on Telegram. It was the question you asked about
    Azov. It is not in this video. You know, you really should publish it.
    There is no excuse not to publish it because you asked a direct question
    and you got an answer from a good source, Zelensky himself. Who are you protecting? Publish the rest of the interview, Mr. Baier, so that the
    American people can hear the truth."

    "I mean, just look at what Zelenskyy did to his own people in the years
    leading up to this..."

    "Just look at the piece the AP put out when they followed Zelensky's SBU
    as they rounded up Ukraine citizens who tweeted or made a public statement against Zelensky and his army. The people were terrified. Why so scared of
    your own army, if you live in a democratic country? Brighteon and Odysee
    have many videos of journalists in Ukraine and Ukraine citizens."


    Being in line with Fox News viewers never felt so good.

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  • From John Doe@21:1/5 to All on Thu May 5 01:33:18 2022
    Who pays for all the military equipment that gets destroyed and
    confiscated by Russia?

    Taxpayers of course!

    The military-industrial complex reaps the same rewards, regardless of how wasteful. Policy doesn't matter while massive loads of weapons are being delivered, enriching the military-industrial complex and those who have
    stock in it, at the expense of taxpayers.

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  • From Anthony William Sloman@21:1/5 to John Doe on Wed May 4 23:01:03 2022
    On Thursday, May 5, 2022 at 11:33:24 AM UTC+10, John Doe wrote:
    Who pays for all the military equipment that gets destroyed and confiscated by Russia?

    Taxpayers of course!

    The Ukrainian government is probably going to get a bill for all the gear that has been shipped there, but with the Russians busy destroying houses , schools, hospitals, roads bridges and railways, foreign creditors are going to have to wait a while to
    get repaid.

    The military-industrial complex reaps the same rewards, regardless of how wasteful. Policy doesn't matter while massive loads of weapons are being delivered, enriching the military-industrial complex and those who have stock in it, at the expense of
    taxpayers.

    Providing few defensive weapons to a friendly nation when it is fighting an unfriendly nation is a very cost-effective way of buying geo-political advantage. The US taxpayer is doing quite well out of this. The US military industrial complex isn't doing
    as well as they would have done if the US were directly involved, and using up weapons attacking Russian forces from far away, but any extra business is welcome.

    Who pays for the all the Russian military equipment that has got destroyed and confiscated by the Ukrainians - probably more of it destroyed than confiscated, because attacking forces do lose more equipment than defenders?

    Russian taxpayers, of course. The Russian economy was a basket case before Putin started spending big on a war he seems unlikely to win. It's very unlikely to be a financially profitable activity. It might have been if it had been the walk-over that
    Putin seems to have been hoping for, but taking over a war-ravaged country is a very expensive exercise, and he's unlikely to get close to even that.

    --
    Bill Sloman, Sydney

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  • From John Doe@21:1/5 to Anthony William Sloman on Thu May 5 08:01:29 2022
    XPost: free.spam

    Bozo the Clown...

    --
    Anthony William Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> wrote:

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    On Thursday, May 5, 2022 at 11:33:24 AM UTC+10, John Doe wrote:
    Who pays for all the military equipment that gets destroyed and confisca
    ted by Russia?

    Taxpayers of course!

    The Ukrainian government is probably going to get a bill for all the gear that has been shipped there, but with the Russians busy destroying houses , schools, hospitals, roads bridges and railways, foreign creditors are going to have to wait a while
    to get repaid.

    The military-industrial complex reaps the same rewards, regardless of how
    wasteful. Policy doesn't matter while massive loads of weapons are being delivered, enriching the military-industrial complex and those who have stock in it, at the expense of taxpayers.

    Providing few defensive weapons to a friendly nation when it is fighting an unfriendly nation is a very cost-effective way of buying geo-political advantage. The US taxpayer is doing quite well out of this. The US military industrial complex isn't
    doing as well as they would have done if the US were directly involved, and using up weapons attacking Russian forces from far away, but any extra business is welcome.

    Who pays for the all the Russian military equipment that has got destroyed and confiscated by the Ukrainians - probably more of it destroyed than confiscated, because attacking forces do lose more equipment than defenders?

    Russian taxpayers, of course. The Russian economy was a basket case before Putin started spending big on a war he seems unlikely to win. It's very unlikely to be a financially profitable activity. It might have been if it had been the walk-over that
    Putin seems to have been hoping for, but taking over a war-ravaged country is a very expensive exercise, and he's unlikely to get close to even that.

    --
    Bill Sloman, Sydney



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  • From David Eather@21:1/5 to John Doe on Thu May 5 17:58:00 2022
    XPost: free.spam

    On 5/05/2022 10:04 am, John Doe wrote:
    Too many suicidal warmongers in the world...


    Ah yes! Very important not to engage in a rational argument when you
    have nothing.

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  • From Edward Hernandez@21:1/5 to All on Thu May 5 08:04:54 2022
    XPost: free.spam

    The John Doe troll stated the following in message-id <sdhn7c$pkp$4@dont-email.me>:

    The troll doesn't even know how to format a USENET post...

    And the John Doe troll stated the following in message-id <sg3kr7$qt5$1@dont-email.me>:

    The reason Bozo cannot figure out how to get Google to keep from
    breaking its lines in inappropriate places is because Bozo is
    CLUELESS...

    And yet, the clueless John Doe troll has itself posted yet another
    incorrectly formatted USENET posting on Thu, 5 May 2022 08:01:29 -0000
    (UTC) in message-id <t5008o$hrq$1@dont-email.me>.

    Further, Troll Doe stated the following in message-id <svsh05$lbh$5@dont-email.me> posted Fri, 4 Mar 2022 08:01:09 -0000
    (UTC):

    Compared to other regulars, Bozo contributes practically nothing
    except insults to this group.

    Yet, since Wed, 5 Jan 2022 04:10:38 -0000 (UTC) Troll Doe's post ratio
    to USENET (**) has been 61.5% of its posts contributing "nothing except insults" to USENET.

    ** Since Wed, 5 Jan 2022 04:10:38 -0000 (UTC) Troll Doe has posted at
    least 1321 articles to USENET. Of which 141 have been pure insults and
    672 have been Troll Doe "troll format" postings.

    Q+xJRhVenbD8

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  • From Edward Hernandez@21:1/5 to All on Thu May 5 08:06:09 2022
    XPost: free.spam

    The John Doe troll stated the following in message-id <sdhn7c$pkp$4@dont-email.me>:

    The troll doesn't even know how to format a USENET post...

    And the John Doe troll stated the following in message-id <sg3kr7$qt5$1@dont-email.me>:

    The reason Bozo cannot figure out how to get Google to keep from
    breaking its lines in inappropriate places is because Bozo is
    CLUELESS...

    And yet, the clueless John Doe troll has itself posted yet another
    incorrectly formatted USENET posting on Thu, 5 May 2022 08:05:55 -0000
    (UTC) in message-id <t500h3$hrq$5@dont-email.me>.

    Further, John Doe stated the following in message-id <svsh05$lbh$5@dont-email.me> posted Fri, 4 Mar 2022 08:01:09 -0000
    (UTC):

    Compared to other regulars, Bozo contributes practically nothing
    except insults to this group.

    Yet, since Wed, 5 Jan 2022 04:10:38 -0000 (UTC) John Doe's post ratio to
    USENET (**) has been 61.7% of its posts contributing "nothing except
    insults" to USENET.

    ** Since Wed, 5 Jan 2022 04:10:38 -0000 (UTC) John Doe has posted at
    least 1325 articles to USENET. Of which 141 have been pure insults and
    676 have been John Doe "troll format" postings.

    This posting is a public service announcement for any google groups
    readers who happen by to point out that the John Doe troll does not even
    follow the rules it uses to troll other posters.

    Tc+rVo8OsZHs

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  • From Ed Lee@21:1/5 to bill....@ieee.org on Thu May 5 05:01:57 2022
    On Wednesday, May 4, 2022 at 11:01:07 PM UTC-7, bill....@ieee.org wrote:
    On Thursday, May 5, 2022 at 11:33:24 AM UTC+10, John Doe wrote:
    Who pays for all the military equipment that gets destroyed and confiscated by Russia?

    Taxpayers of course!
    The Ukrainian government is probably going to get a bill for all the gear that has been shipped there, but with the Russians busy destroying houses , schools, hospitals, roads bridges and railways, foreign creditors are going to have to wait a while to
    get repaid.

    Ukraine will be able to pay. They have oil and gas in the Black Sea, one of the reason why Russia want to cut them off. We need to send them more anti-ship missiles. It should be reciprocal responses, return fire when fired upon.

    The military-industrial complex reaps the same rewards, regardless of how wasteful. Policy doesn't matter while massive loads of weapons are being delivered, enriching the military-industrial complex and those who have stock in it, at the expense of
    taxpayers.

    Estimated $100B (1/6 of annual budget) is small potato. Most of the money is for R&D anyway. Ukraine is just a delta-test-site.

    Providing few defensive weapons to a friendly nation when it is fighting an unfriendly nation is a very cost-effective way of buying geo-political advantage. The US taxpayer is doing quite well out of this. The US military industrial complex isn't
    doing as well as they would have done if the US were directly involved, and using up weapons attacking Russian forces from far away, but any extra business is welcome.

    In term of geo-political advantage, Boris Johnson seems to be getting the best of it. He is very popular in Ukraine, perhaps to redirect his political problem (party-gate) at home.

    Who pays for the all the Russian military equipment that has got destroyed and confiscated by the Ukrainians - probably more of it destroyed than confiscated, because attacking forces do lose more equipment than defenders?

    Europeans pay for the Russian military equipments, until they wean off their oil and gas addictions.

    Russian taxpayers, of course. The Russian economy was a basket case before Putin started spending big on a war he seems unlikely to win. It's very unlikely to be a financially profitable activity. It might have been if it had been the walk-over that
    Putin seems to have been hoping for, but taking over a war-ravaged country is a very expensive exercise, and he's unlikely to get close to even that.

    Pootin wants a DeHumaniZed buffer zone.

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  • From jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com@21:1/5 to blockedofcourse@foo.invalid on Thu May 5 08:59:12 2022
    On Sat, 23 Apr 2022 15:00:10 -0700, Don Y
    <blockedofcourse@foo.invalid> wrote:

    Perhaps, like all politicians, Putin knows The Inevitable and is
    looking for a distraction to stave it off -- for as long as possible?

    For a sampling (many hits):

    <https://www.eurointegration.com.ua/eng/news/2022/04/7/7137384/>

    <https://www.yahoo.com/news/russia-facing-outright-defeat-sudden-041309456.html>

    <https://www.newsweek.com/china-fears-russia-collapse-ukraine-taiwan-foreign-minister-joseph-wu-1693195>

    <https://www.aljazeera.com/opinions/2022/3/4/russias-looming-economic-crisis-will-be-worse-than-1991>

    <https://www.newconservativepost.com/2022/03/is-russia-on-the-brink-of-collapse/>

    "The worst appears yet to come from Putins confusion of Russia, which
    had a GDP the size of Texas before the war, with the former Russian Empire >from 100 years ago. As has been noted, even before the invasion, Russias >economic capabilities were hardly capable of sustaining an empire. Now, with >foreign sanctions presiding over a plummeting Russian ruble, Russias economic >standing has fallen further still. If measured at todays exchange rates, >Russias economy would be the 22nd largest in the world, with a gross domestic >product (GDP) not much larger than the state of Ohios. How do you say >Mississippi, here we come! in Russian?"

    And we know EVERYONE aspires to emulate Mississippi! Even Alabama!

    https://news.yahoo.com/deceived-us-every-step-troops-122642378.html

    The pitiful Russian GDP is just the bottom-line indicator of a country
    mired in corruption and incompetance. That's probably historical to
    the culture and also a legacy of communism.

    China's per-capita GDP is even lower. Cuba is yet lower. Viet Nam
    barely moves the needle.

    https://www.worldometers.info/gdp/gdp-per-capita/



    --

    Anybody can count to one.

    - Robert Widlar

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  • From Ed Lee@21:1/5 to jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com on Thu May 5 17:12:02 2022
    On Thursday, May 5, 2022 at 8:59:25 AM UTC-7, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
    On Sat, 23 Apr 2022 15:00:10 -0700, Don Y
    <blocked...@foo.invalid> wrote:

    Perhaps, like all politicians, Putin knows The Inevitable and is
    looking for a distraction to stave it off -- for as long as possible?

    For a sampling (many hits):

    <https://www.eurointegration.com.ua/eng/news/2022/04/7/7137384/>

    <https://www.yahoo.com/news/russia-facing-outright-defeat-sudden-041309456.html>

    <https://www.newsweek.com/china-fears-russia-collapse-ukraine-taiwan-foreign-minister-joseph-wu-1693195>

    <https://www.aljazeera.com/opinions/2022/3/4/russias-looming-economic-crisis-will-be-worse-than-1991>

    <https://www.newconservativepost.com/2022/03/is-russia-on-the-brink-of-collapse/>

    "The worst appears yet to come from Putin’s confusion of Russia, which >had a GDP the size of Texas before the war, with the former Russian Empire >from 100 years ago. As has been noted, “even before the invasion, Russia’s
    economic capabilities were hardly capable of sustaining an empire. Now, with
    foreign sanctions presiding over a plummeting Russian ruble, Russia’s economic
    standing has fallen further still. If measured at today’s exchange rates, >Russia’s economy would be the 22nd largest in the world, with a gross domestic
    product (GDP) not much larger than the state of Ohio’s.” How do you say >“Mississippi, here we come!” in Russian?"

    And we know EVERYONE aspires to emulate Mississippi! Even Alabama!

    https://news.yahoo.com/deceived-us-every-step-troops-122642378.html

    And Americans are missing in this great war.

    One interesting interview regarding war between Azerbaijan and Amerindian: "What's the Americans' position (who's side are you in)?"
    "We have no position."
    "Something got to be done."
    "Then do it (whatever that is)."

    How can they win without dead Americans?

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  • From John Larkin@21:1/5 to edward.ming.lee@gmail.com on Thu May 5 17:22:40 2022
    On Thu, 5 May 2022 17:12:02 -0700 (PDT), Ed Lee
    <edward.ming.lee@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Thursday, May 5, 2022 at 8:59:25 AM UTC-7, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
    On Sat, 23 Apr 2022 15:00:10 -0700, Don Y
    <blocked...@foo.invalid> wrote:

    Perhaps, like all politicians, Putin knows The Inevitable and is
    looking for a distraction to stave it off -- for as long as possible?

    For a sampling (many hits):

    <https://www.eurointegration.com.ua/eng/news/2022/04/7/7137384/>

    <https://www.yahoo.com/news/russia-facing-outright-defeat-sudden-041309456.html>

    <https://www.newsweek.com/china-fears-russia-collapse-ukraine-taiwan-foreign-minister-joseph-wu-1693195>

    <https://www.aljazeera.com/opinions/2022/3/4/russias-looming-economic-crisis-will-be-worse-than-1991>

    <https://www.newconservativepost.com/2022/03/is-russia-on-the-brink-of-collapse/>

    "The worst appears yet to come from Putins confusion of Russia, which
    had a GDP the size of Texas before the war, with the former Russian Empire >> >from 100 years ago. As has been noted, even before the invasion, Russias >> >economic capabilities were hardly capable of sustaining an empire. Now, with
    foreign sanctions presiding over a plummeting Russian ruble, Russias economic
    standing has fallen further still. If measured at todays exchange rates, >> >Russias economy would be the 22nd largest in the world, with a gross domestic
    product (GDP) not much larger than the state of Ohios. How do you say
    Mississippi, here we come! in Russian?"

    And we know EVERYONE aspires to emulate Mississippi! Even Alabama!

    https://news.yahoo.com/deceived-us-every-step-troops-122642378.html

    And Americans are missing in this great war.

    One interesting interview regarding war between Azerbaijan and Amerindian: >"What's the Americans' position (who's side are you in)?"
    "We have no position."
    "Something got to be done."
    "Then do it (whatever that is)."

    How can they win without dead Americans?

    Well, we don't want a nuclear war.

    We want a revolution in Russia.

    --

    If a man will begin with certainties, he shall end with doubts,
    but if he will be content to begin with doubts he shall end in certainties. Francis Bacon

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  • From John Doe@21:1/5 to jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com on Fri May 6 00:44:19 2022
    jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:

    Don Y wrote:

    Now, with foreign sanctions presiding over a plummeting Russian ruble

    The ruble is at a two-year high.

    News doesn't last very long in Yahoo Land.

    https://news.yahoo.com/deceived-us-every-step-troops-122642378.html

    The pitiful Russian GDP is just the bottom-line indicator of a country
    mired in corruption and incompetance. That's probably historical to the culture and also a legacy of communism.

    It's historical of all governments.

    Take a look at our recent Supreme Court decision in Bostock v. Clayton
    County.

    China's per-capita GDP is even lower. Cuba is yet lower. Viet Nam barely moves the needle.

    https://www.worldometers.info/gdp/gdp-per-capita/

    Apparently that's just dividing the GDP by the number of citizens, not
    counting illegal invaders.

    https://economics.princeton.edu/working-papers/top-wealth-in-america-new-estimates-and-implications-for-taxing-the-rich/

    Here in America...

    "The top 1% holds nearly as much wealth as the bottom 90% and the "P90-99" class."

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  • From John Doe@21:1/5 to Ed Lee on Fri May 6 01:40:44 2022
    Ed Lee wrote:

    And Americans are missing in this great war.

    And you are missing...

    https://www.amazon.com/s?k=brain+supplement

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  • From Anthony William Sloman@21:1/5 to John Doe on Thu May 5 20:17:44 2022
    On Friday, May 6, 2022 at 10:44:26 AM UTC+10, John Doe wrote:
    jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
    Don Y wrote:

    Now, with foreign sanctions presiding over a plummeting Russian ruble.

    The ruble is at a two-year high.

    In a very thin market. If there isn't a lot of money being traded, even a regime as poor as Russia's can afford to spend a bit of foreign currency to make the ruble look artificially valuable.

    https://news.yahoo.com/deceived-us-every-step-troops-122642378.html

    The pitiful Russian GDP is just the bottom-line indicator of a country mired in corruption and incompetence. That's probably historical to the culture and also a legacy of communism.

    Once crooks have got into power, they enrich themselves rather than the country they are ripping off. There's nothing peculiarly Russian about that. Since Communism believed in the "leading role of the party" it was committed to oligarchy rather than
    democracy, and the transition from oligarch to kleptocrat is an easy one.

    It's historical of all governments.

    Lunatic right-wingers and libertarians do like to think that. Governments aren't necessarily corrupt and incompetent - there may not have been one that was entirely honest and perfectly competent, but quite a few have come close enough to perform pretty
    well. John Doe wouldn't have voted for any of them.

    Take a look at our recent Supreme Court decision in Bostock v. Clayton County.

    It seems to be perfectly sensible. We can guess that John Doe is homophobic, and doesn't like it,

    China's per-capita GDP is even lower. Cuba is yet lower. Viet Nam barely moves the needle.

    https://www.worldometers.info/gdp/gdp-per-capita/

    Apparently that's just dividing the GDP by the number of citizens, not counting illegal invaders.

    The US has imported cheap foreign workers since it was first established. Early on some of them were slaves. Employers have never paid much attention to whether they were legal residents.
    Calling them "invaders" is bizarre. "Guest workers" comes closer to the mark. There aren't anything like enough of them to make much difference to the US GDP-per-capita.

    https://economics.princeton.edu/working-papers/top-wealth-in-america-new-estimates-and-implications-for-taxing-the-rich/

    Here in America...

    "The top 1% holds nearly as much wealth as the bottom 90% and the "P90-99" class."

    It isn't doing the country any good.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Spirit_Level_(book)

    Of course this will go over John Doe's head . He obviously doesn't believe anything that he can't understand, and he obviously understands very little. He seems to see this as him being sceptical, but in reality he's just being exceptionally stupid.

    --
    Bill Sloman, Sydney

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  • From Anthony William Sloman@21:1/5 to John Doe on Thu May 5 20:19:44 2022
    On Friday, May 6, 2022 at 11:40:52 AM UTC+10, John Doe wrote:
    Ed Lee wrote:

    And Americans are missing in this great war.
    And you are missing...

    https://www.amazon.com/s?k=brain+supplement

    John Doe's personal recommendation isn't worth much. It clearly didn't do anything useful for him.

    --
    Bill Sloman, Sydney

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  • From corvid@21:1/5 to Anthony William Sloman on Thu May 5 21:36:09 2022
    On 5/5/22 20:19, Anthony William Sloman wrote:
    On Friday, May 6, 2022 at 11:40:52 AM UTC+10, John Doe wrote:
    Ed Lee wrote:

    And Americans are missing in this great war.
    And you are missing...

    https://www.amazon.com/s?k=brain+supplement

    John Doe's personal recommendation isn't worth much. It clearly
    didn't do anything useful for him.

    And so, the pest has been banned at Amazon also. Not just at YouTube.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From John Doe@21:1/5 to corvid on Fri May 6 10:40:38 2022
    XPost: free.spam

    In fact, I post on YouTube at will.

    Too bad grown-ups cannot decide for themselves via mutual blocking who
    they associate with on the Internet. That would eliminate much stalking
    and trolling, like from this pointless nym-shifting troll...

    see also...
    =?UTF-8?Q?C=c3=b6rvid?= <bl@ckbirds.org> =?UTF-8?B?8J+QriBDb3dzIGFyZSBOaWNlIPCfkK4=?= <nice@cows.moo>
    Banders <snap@mailchute.com>
    Covid-19 <always.look@message.header>
    corvid <bl@ckb.ird>
    Corvid <bl@ckbirds.net>
    Corvid <bl@ckbirds.org>
    Cows Are Nice <cows@nice.moo>
    Cows are nice <moo@cows.org>
    Cows are Nice <nice@cows.moo>
    dogs <dogs@home.com>
    Great Pumpkin <pumpkin@patch.net>
    Jose Curvo <jcurvo@mymail.com>
    Local Favorite <how2recycle@palomar.info>
    Sea <freshness@coast.org>
    Standard Poodle <standard@poodle.com>
    triangles <build@home.com>
    and others...

    --
    corvid <bl@ckb.ird> wrote:

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    Subject: Re: Russian collapse
    Date: Thu, 5 May 2022 21:36:09 -0700
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    On 5/5/22 20:19, Anthony William Sloman wrote:
    On Friday, May 6, 2022 at 11:40:52 AM UTC+10, John Doe wrote:
    Ed Lee wrote:

    And Americans are missing in this great war.
    And you are missing...

    https://www.amazon.com/s?k=brain+supplement

    John Doe's personal recommendation isn't worth much. It clearly
    didn't do anything useful for him.

    And so, the pest has been banned at Amazon also. Not just at YouTube.



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  • From John Doe@21:1/5 to Anthony William Sloman on Fri May 6 10:41:34 2022
    XPost: free.spam

    An Australian troll...

    Bozo Bill Sloman, the most frequent troll in this group, is an attention-craving chronic liar who cannot be reasoned with...

    "the user has posted under the same name in other places, so not
    nym-shifting" (Bozo sucks at logic)

    "the Mueller investigation was about Trump only because Trump made it so"
    (Bozo lying)

    "the concepts "male" and "female" are essentially social constructions"
    (Bozo being weird)

    --
    Anthony William Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> wrote:

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    On Friday, May 6, 2022 at 10:44:26 AM UTC+10, John Doe wrote:
    jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
    Don Y wrote:

    Now, with foreign sanctions presiding over a plummeting Russian ruble.

    The ruble is at a two-year high.

    In a very thin market. If there isn't a lot of money being traded, even a regime as poor as Russia's can afford to spend a bit of foreign currency to make the ruble look artificially valuable.

    https://news.yahoo.com/deceived-us-every-step-troops-122642378.html

    The pitiful Russian GDP is just the bottom-line indicator of a country
    mired in corruption and incompetence. That's probably historical to the culture and also a legacy of communism.

    Once crooks have got into power, they enrich themselves rather than the country they are ripping off. There's nothing peculiarly Russian about that. Since Communism believed in the "leading role of the party" it was committed to oligarchy rather than
    democracy, and the transition from oligarch to kleptocrat is an easy one.

    It's historical of all governments.

    Lunatic right-wingers and libertarians do like to think that. Governments aren't necessarily corrupt and incompetent - there may not have been one that was entirely honest and perfectly competent, but quite a few have come close enough to perform
    pretty well. John Doe wouldn't have voted for any of them.

    Take a look at our recent Supreme Court decision in Bostock v. Clayton C
    ounty.

    It seems to be perfectly sensible. We can guess that John Doe is homophobic, and doesn't like it,

    China's per-capita GDP is even lower. Cuba is yet lower. Viet Nam barel
    y moves the needle.

    https://www.worldometers.info/gdp/gdp-per-capita/

    Apparently that's just dividing the GDP by the number of citizens, not c
    ounting illegal invaders.

    The US has imported cheap foreign workers since it was first established. Early on some of them were slaves. Employers have never paid much attention to whether they were legal residents.
    Calling them "invaders" is bizarre. "Guest workers" comes closer to the mark. There aren't anything like enough of them to make much difference to the US GDP-per-capita.

    https://economics.princeton.edu/working-papers/top-wealth-in-america-new-
    estimates-and-implications-for-taxing-the-rich/

    Here in America...

    "The top 1% holds nearly as much wealth as the bottom 90% and the "P90-99
    " class."

    It isn't doing the country any good.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Spirit_Level_(book)

    Of course this will go over John Doe's head . He obviously doesn't believe anything that he can't understand, and he obviously understands very little. He seems to see this as him being sceptical, but in reality he's just being exceptionally stupid.

    --
    Bill Sloman, Sydney



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  • From Edward Hernandez@21:1/5 to All on Fri May 6 11:17:30 2022
    XPost: free.spam

    The John Doe troll stated the following in message-id <sdhn7c$pkp$4@dont-email.me>:

    The troll doesn't even know how to format a USENET post...

    And the John Doe troll stated the following in message-id <sg3kr7$qt5$1@dont-email.me>:

    The reason Bozo cannot figure out how to get Google to keep from
    breaking its lines in inappropriate places is because Bozo is
    CLUELESS...

    And yet, the clueless John Doe troll has itself posted yet another
    incorrectly formatted USENET posting on Fri, 6 May 2022 10:41:34 -0000
    (UTC) in message-id <t52u0u$lse$2@dont-email.me>.

    Further, Troll Doe stated the following in message-id <svsh05$lbh$5@dont-email.me> posted Fri, 4 Mar 2022 08:01:09 -0000
    (UTC):

    Compared to other regulars, Bozo contributes practically nothing
    except insults to this group.

    Yet, since Wed, 5 Jan 2022 04:10:38 -0000 (UTC) Troll Doe's post ratio
    to USENET (**) has been 61.6% of its posts contributing "nothing except insults" to USENET.

    ** Since Wed, 5 Jan 2022 04:10:38 -0000 (UTC) Troll Doe has posted at
    least 1337 articles to USENET. Of which 141 have been pure insults and
    682 have been Troll Doe "troll format" postings.

    sD9QTaCPNGyy

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  • From David Eather@21:1/5 to Anthony William Sloman on Sat May 7 17:21:29 2022
    Ah yes John Doe has no arguments left that haven't been repeatedly
    demolished so insult and lies are all that's left.


    -------- Forwarded Message --------
    Subject: Re: Russian collapse
    Date: Fri, 6 May 2022 10:41:34 -0000 (UTC)
    From: John Doe <always.look@message.header>
    Organization: A noiseless patient Spider
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    An Australian troll...

    Bozo Bill Sloman, the most frequent troll in this group, is an attention-craving chronic liar who cannot be reasoned with...
    "the user has posted under the same name in other places, so not
    nym-shifting" (Bozo sucks at logic)
    "the Mueller investigation was about Trump only because Trump made it so"
    (Bozo lying)
    "the concepts "male" and "female" are essentially social constructions"
    (Bozo being weird)
    --
    Anthony William Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> wrote:

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    On Friday, May 6, 2022 at 10:44:26 AM UTC+10, John Doe wrote:
    jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
    Don Y wrote:

    Now, with foreign sanctions presiding over a plummeting Russian ruble.

    The ruble is at a two-year high.

    In a very thin market. If there isn't a lot of money being traded, even a regime as poor as Russia's can afford to spend a bit of foreign currency to make the ruble look artificially valuable.

    https://news.yahoo.com/deceived-us-every-step-troops-122642378.html

    The pitiful Russian GDP is just the bottom-line indicator of a country
    mired in corruption and incompetence. That's probably historical to the culture and also a legacy of communism.

    Once crooks have got into power, they enrich themselves rather than the country they are ripping off. There's nothing peculiarly Russian about that. Since Communism believed in the "leading role of the party" it was committed to oligarchy rather than
    democracy, and the transition from oligarch to kleptocrat is an easy one.

    It's historical of all governments.

    Lunatic right-wingers and libertarians do like to think that. Governments aren't necessarily corrupt and incompetent - there may not have been one that was entirely honest and perfectly competent, but quite a few have come close enough to perform
    pretty well. John Doe wouldn't have voted for any of them.

    Take a look at our recent Supreme Court decision in Bostock v. Clayton C
    ounty.

    It seems to be perfectly sensible. We can guess that John Doe is homophobic, and doesn't like it,

    China's per-capita GDP is even lower. Cuba is yet lower. Viet Nam barel
    y moves the needle.

    https://www.worldometers.info/gdp/gdp-per-capita/

    Apparently that's just dividing the GDP by the number of citizens, not c
    ounting illegal invaders.

    The US has imported cheap foreign workers since it was first established. Early on some of them were slaves. Employers have never paid much attention to whether they were legal residents.
    Calling them "invaders" is bizarre. "Guest workers" comes closer to the mark. There aren't anything like enough of them to make much difference to the US GDP-per-capita.

    https://economics.princeton.edu/working-papers/top-wealth-in-america-new-
    estimates-and-implications-for-taxing-the-rich/

    Here in America...

    "The top 1% holds nearly as much wealth as the bottom 90% and the "P90-99
    " class."

    It isn't doing the country any good.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Spirit_Level_(book)

    Of course this will go over John Doe's head . He obviously doesn't believe anything that he can't understand, and he obviously understands very little. He seems to see this as him being sceptical, but in reality he's just being exceptionally stupid.

    --
    Bill Sloman, Sydney



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  • From Anthony William Sloman@21:1/5 to David Eather on Sat May 7 01:24:19 2022
    On Saturday, May 7, 2022 at 5:21:37 PM UTC+10, David Eather wrote:
    Anthony William Sloman <bill....@ieee.org> wrote:
    On Friday, May 6, 2022 at 10:44:26 AM UTC+10, John Doe wrote:
    jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
    Don Y wrote:

    The worst appears yet to come from Putin’s confusion of Russia, which
    had a GDP the size of Texas before the war, with the former Russian Empire
    from 100 years ago. As has been noted, “even before the invasion, Russia’s economic capabilities were hardly capable of sustaining an empire. Now, with foreign sanctions presiding over a plummeting Russian ruble,

    The ruble is at a two-year high.

    In a very thin market. If there isn't a lot of money being traded, even a regime as poor as Russia's can afford to spend a bit of foreign currency to make the ruble look artificially valuable.

    https://news.yahoo.com/deceived-us-every-step-troops-122642378.html

    The pitiful Russian GDP is just the bottom-line indicator of a country
    mired in corruption and incompetence. That's probably historical to the culture and also a legacy of communism.

    Once crooks have got into power, they enrich themselves rather than the country they are ripping off. There's nothing peculiarly Russian about that. Since Communism believed in the "leading role of the party" it was committed to oligarchy rather than
    democracy, and the transition from oligarch to kleptocrat is an easy one.

    It's historical of all governments.

    Lunatic right-wingers and libertarians do like to think that. Governments aren't necessarily corrupt and incompetent - there may not have been one that was entirely honest and perfectly competent, but quite a few have come close enough to perform
    pretty well. John Doe wouldn't have voted for any of them.

    Take a look at our recent Supreme Court decision in Bostock v. Clayton County.

    It seems to be perfectly sensible. We can guess that John Doe is homophobic, and doesn't like it,

    China's per-capita GDP is even lower. Cuba is yet lower. Viet Nam barely moves the needle.

    https://www.worldometers.info/gdp/gdp-per-capita/

    Apparently that's just dividing the GDP by the number of citizens, not counting illegal invaders.

    The US has imported cheap foreign workers since it was first established. Early on some of them were slaves. Employers have never paid much attention to whether they were legal residents.
    Calling them "invaders" is bizarre. "Guest workers" comes closer to the mark. There aren't anything like enough of them to make much difference to the US GDP-per-capita.

    https://economics.princeton.edu/working-papers/top-wealth-in-america-new-estimates-and-implications-for-taxing-the-rich/

    Here in America...

    "The top 1% holds nearly as much wealth as the bottom 90% and the "P90-99" class."

    It isn't doing the country any good.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Spirit_Level_(book)

    Of course this will go over John Doe's head . He obviously doesn't believe anything that he can't understand, and he obviously understands very little. He seems to see this as him being sceptical, but in reality he's just being exceptionally stupid.

    Ah yes John Doe has no arguments left that haven't been repeatedly demolished so insult and lies are all that's left.

    Insults and lies are all that he has ever had. His "arguments" do seem to be recycled from right-wing propaganda sites, and he doesn't seem to understand them all that well.

    --
    Bill Sloman, Sydney

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  • From John Doe@21:1/5 to David Eather on Sat May 7 23:33:11 2022
    XPost: free.spam

    An Australian troll, supported by another Australian troll,
    begging for attention...

    --
    David Eather <eatREMOVEher@tpg.com.au> wrote:

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    Ah yes John Doe has no arguments left that haven't been repeatedly
    demolished so insult and lies are all that's left.


    -------- Forwarded Message --------
    Subject: Re: Russian collapse
    Date: Fri, 6 May 2022 10:41:34 -0000 (UTC)
    From: John Doe <always.look@message.header>
    Organization: A noiseless patient Spider
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    An Australian troll...

    Bozo Bill Sloman, the most frequent troll in this group, is an attention-craving chronic liar who cannot be reasoned with...
    "the user has posted under the same name in other places, so not nym-shifting" (Bozo sucks at logic)
    "the Mueller investigation was about Trump only because Trump made it so" (Bozo lying)
    "the concepts "male" and "female" are essentially social constructions"
    (Bozo being weird)
    --
    Anthony William Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> wrote:

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    On Friday, May 6, 2022 at 10:44:26 AM UTC+10, John Doe wrote:
    jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
    Don Y wrote:

    Now, with foreign sanctions presiding over a plummeting Russian ruble. >>>
    The ruble is at a two-year high.

    In a very thin market. If there isn't a lot of money being traded, even a regime as poor as Russia's can afford to spend a bit of foreign currency to make the ruble look artificially valuable.

    https://news.yahoo.com/deceived-us-every-step-troops-122642378.html

    The pitiful Russian GDP is just the bottom-line indicator of a country
    mired in corruption and incompetence. That's probably historical to the culture and also a legacy of communism.

    Once crooks have got into power, they enrich themselves rather than the country they are ripping off. There's nothing peculiarly Russian about that. Since Communism believed in the "leading role of the party" it was committed to oligarchy rather than
    democracy, and the transition from oligarch to kleptocrat is an easy one.

    It's historical of all governments.

    Lunatic right-wingers and libertarians do like to think that. Governments aren't necessarily corrupt and incompetent - there may not have been one that was entirely honest and perfectly competent, but quite a few have come close enough to perform
    pretty well. John Doe wouldn't have voted for any of them.

    Take a look at our recent Supreme Court decision in Bostock v. Clayton C >> ounty.

    It seems to be perfectly sensible. We can guess that John Doe is homophobic, and doesn't like it,

    China's per-capita GDP is even lower. Cuba is yet lower. Viet Nam barel >> y moves the needle.

    https://www.worldometers.info/gdp/gdp-per-capita/

    Apparently that's just dividing the GDP by the number of citizens, not c >> ounting illegal invaders.

    The US has imported cheap foreign workers since it was first established. Early on some of them were slaves. Employers have never paid much attention to whether they were legal residents.
    Calling them "invaders" is bizarre. "Guest workers" comes closer to the mark. There aren't anything like enough of them to make much difference to the US GDP-per-capita.

    https://economics.princeton.edu/working-papers/top-wealth-in-america-new- >> estimates-and-implications-for-taxing-the-rich/

    Here in America...

    "The top 1% holds nearly as much wealth as the bottom 90% and the "P90-99 >> " class."

    It isn't doing the country any good.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Spirit_Level_(book)

    Of course this will go over John Doe's head . He obviously doesn't believe anything that he can't understand, and he obviously understands very little. He seems to see this as him being sceptical, but in reality he's just being exceptionally stupid.

    --
    Bill Sloman, Sydney





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  • From Edward Hernandez@21:1/5 to All on Sun May 8 00:10:15 2022
    XPost: free.spam

    The John Doe troll stated the following in message-id <sdhn7c$pkp$4@dont-email.me>:

    The troll doesn't even know how to format a USENET post...

    And the John Doe troll stated the following in message-id <sg3kr7$qt5$1@dont-email.me>:

    The reason Bozo cannot figure out how to get Google to keep from
    breaking its lines in inappropriate places is because Bozo is
    CLUELESS...

    And yet, the clueless John Doe troll has itself posted yet another
    incorrectly formatted USENET posting on Sat, 7 May 2022 23:33:11 -0000
    (UTC) in message-id <t56vjn$c32$1@dont-email.me>.

    Further, John Doe stated the following in message-id <svsh05$lbh$5@dont-email.me> posted Fri, 4 Mar 2022 08:01:09 -0000
    (UTC):

    Compared to other regulars, Bozo contributes practically nothing
    except insults to this group.

    Yet, since Wed, 5 Jan 2022 04:10:38 -0000 (UTC) John Doe's post ratio to
    USENET (**) has been 61.3% of its posts contributing "nothing except
    insults" to USENET.

    ** Since Wed, 5 Jan 2022 04:10:38 -0000 (UTC) John Doe has posted at
    least 1342 articles to USENET. Of which 141 have been pure insults and
    682 have been John Doe "troll format" postings.

    xHteG6wTGTwS

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  • From John Doe@21:1/5 to Edward Hernandez on Sun May 8 00:13:39 2022
    XPost: free.spam

    Eddie wants so badly to nym-shift. That's a no-no here, Eddie!

    Eddie has never posted anything NORMAL except when it got a spanking...

    https://groups.google.com/g/sci.electronics.repair/c/MesPLcGU4BE

    See also...
    John Doe <always.look@message.header> (astraweb)
    Peter Weiner <dtgamer99@gmail.com>
    Edward H. <dtgamer99@gmail.com>
    Edward Hernandez <dtgamer99@gmail.com>

    Eddie is an example for all newbies. Don't get spanked!

    Spanked Eddie...

    --
    Edward Hernandez <dtgamer99@gmail.com> wrote:

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    From: Edward Hernandez <dtgamer99@gmail.com>
    Subject: Re: Fwd: Russian collapse
    Newsgroups: sci.electronics.design,free.spam
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    The John Doe troll stated the following in message-id <sdhn7c$pkp$4@dont-email.me>:

    The troll doesn't even know how to format a USENET post...

    And the John Doe troll stated the following in message-id <sg3kr7$qt5$1@dont-email.me>:

    The reason Bozo cannot figure out how to get Google to keep from
    breaking its lines in inappropriate places is because Bozo is
    CLUELESS...

    And yet, the clueless John Doe troll has itself posted yet another incorrectly formatted USENET posting on Sat, 7 May 2022 23:33:11 -0000
    (UTC) in message-id <t56vjn$c32$1@dont-email.me>.

    Further, John Doe stated the following in message-id <svsh05$lbh$5@dont-email.me> posted Fri, 4 Mar 2022 08:01:09 -0000
    (UTC):

    Compared to other regulars, Bozo contributes practically nothing
    except insults to this group.

    Yet, since Wed, 5 Jan 2022 04:10:38 -0000 (UTC) John Doe's post ratio to USENET (**) has been 61.3% of its posts contributing "nothing except
    insults" to USENET.

    ** Since Wed, 5 Jan 2022 04:10:38 -0000 (UTC) John Doe has posted at
    least 1342 articles to USENET. Of which 141 have been pure insults and
    682 have been John Doe "troll format" postings.

    xHteG6wTGTwS




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  • From Edward Hernandez@21:1/5 to All on Sun May 8 00:18:35 2022
    XPost: free.spam

    The John Doe troll stated the following in message-id <sdhn7c$pkp$4@dont-email.me>:

    The troll doesn't even know how to format a USENET post...

    And the John Doe troll stated the following in message-id <sg3kr7$qt5$1@dont-email.me>:

    The reason Bozo cannot figure out how to get Google to keep from
    breaking its lines in inappropriate places is because Bozo is
    CLUELESS...

    And yet, the clueless John Doe troll has continued to post incorrectly formatted USENET articles that are devoid of content (latest example on
    Sun, 8 May 2022 00:13:39 -0000 (UTC) in message-id <t571vj$r56$1@dont-email.me>).

    NOBODY likes the John Doe troll's contentless spam.

    Further, John Doe stated the following in message-id <svsh05$lbh$5@dont-email.me> posted Fri, 4 Mar 2022 08:01:09 -0000
    (UTC):

    Compared to other regulars, Bozo contributes practically nothing
    except insults to this group.

    Yet, since Wed, 5 Jan 2022 04:10:38 -0000 (UTC) John Doe's post ratio to
    USENET (**) has been 61.4% of its posts contributing "nothing except
    insults" to USENET.

    ** Since Wed, 5 Jan 2022 04:10:38 -0000 (UTC) John Doe has posted at
    least 1343 articles to USENET. Of which 141 have been pure insults and
    683 have been John Doe "troll format" postings.

    This posting is a public service announcement for any google groups
    readers who happen by to point out that the John Doe troll does not even
    follow the rules it uses to troll other posters.

    UFae9/pEhDft

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  • From John Doe@21:1/5 to All on Sun May 8 00:47:18 2022
    CBS News video...

    https://youtu.be/OjFOSSTbDpo

    "President Biden pledges $150 million for military aid in Ukraine"

    Meanwhile in the comment section...

    "I'm so upset that no one seems to care about the US citizens."

    "The same people cheering for this are the same people who swore up and down that we could not afford 8 billion to secure THIS nation's own border."

    "This is stupid...., let other countries help. We dont need war w Russia
    ... especially nuclear."

    "What[] about money to help Americans with sky rocketed inflation of gas,
    food, and everyday essentials?"

    "This is the biggest transfer of wealth Ive ever seen, soon enough well be left with nothing!"

    "Only $150,000,000.00? Looks like we are finally running out of money to
    sink into this Ukraine lost cause."

    So it's not just Fox News viewers.

    And in other news... "Russias defense ministry on Saturday said it had destroyed a large stockpile of military equipment from the United States and European countries"

    Doesn't matter! The military-industrial complex, its stockholders, and its bribe takers, make out like bandits at taxpayers' expense no matter how wasteful.

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  • From John Doe@21:1/5 to All on Sun May 8 00:53:57 2022
    A WVTM 13 News video...

    https://youtu.be/ZCv9lLKbegA

    "Lockheed Martin missile assembler steals the show during President Biden's visit"

    Meanwhile in the comments section...

    "Comments are turned off. Learn more"

    LOLOLOLOLOLOL

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  • From Jan Panteltje@21:1/5 to always.look@message.header on Sun May 8 05:23:07 2022
    On a sunny day (Sun, 8 May 2022 00:47:18 -0000 (UTC)) it happened John Doe <always.look@message.header> wrote in <t573ul$22f$1@dont-email.me>:

    CBS News video...

    https://youtu.be/OjFOSSTbDpo

    "President Biden pledges $150 million for military aid in Ukraine"

    Meanwhile in the comment section...

    "I'm so upset that no one seems to care about the US citizens."

    "The same people cheering for this are the same people who swore up and down >that we could not afford 8 billion to secure THIS nation's own border."

    "This is stupid...., let other countries help. We dont need war w Russia
    ... especially nuclear."

    "What[] about money to help Americans with sky rocketed inflation of gas, >food, and everyday essentials?"

    "This is the biggest transfer of wealth Ive ever seen, soon enough well be >left with nothing!"

    "Only $150,000,000.00? Looks like we are finally running out of money to >sink into this Ukraine lost cause."

    So it's not just Fox News viewers.

    And in other news... "Russias defense ministry on Saturday said it had >destroyed a large stockpile of military equipment from the United States and >European countries"

    Doesn't matter! The military-industrial complex, its stockholders, and its >bribe takers, make out like bandits at taxpayers' expense no matter how >wasteful.

    +1

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  • From Anthony William Sloman@21:1/5 to John Doe on Sat May 7 22:43:36 2022
    On Sunday, May 8, 2022 at 10:47:24 AM UTC+10, John Doe wrote:
    CBS News video...

    https://youtu.be/OjFOSSTbDpo

    "President Biden pledges $150 million for military aid in Ukraine"

    Meanwhile in the comment section...

    "I'm so upset that no one seems to care about the US citizens."

    "The same people cheering for this are the same people who swore up and down that we could not afford 8 billion to secure THIS nation's own border."

    "This is stupid...., let other countries help. We don’t need war w Russia ... especially nuclear."

    "What[] about money to help Americans with sky rocketed inflation of gas, food, and everyday essentials?"

    "This is the biggest transfer of wealth I’ve ever seen, soon enough we’ll be
    left with nothing!"

    "Only $150,000,000.00? Looks like we are finally running out of money to sink into this Ukraine lost cause."

    So it's not just Fox News viewers.

    No. Just Fox News viewers who watch CBS as well. Fox News hasn't got a monopoly of idiot viewers - they do strive to collect as many as posslble but idiots are ubiquitous. John Doe is free to collect as many moronic reactions as he likes, but they are
    still reactions from the moronic minority.

    And in other news... "Russia’s defense ministry on Saturday said it had destroyed a large stockpile of military equipment from the United States and European countries"

    As it would, even if it hadn't. The Ukraine is also busy destroying as much Russian military equipment as it can get at. That's how war is waged,

    Doesn't matter! The military-industrial complex, its stockholders, and its bribe takers, make out like bandits at taxpayers' expense no matter how wasteful.

    War is wasteful. John Doe might not be aware of this, but that particular insight goes back to about 500 BC.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Art_of_War

    The Russian military industrial complex is doing at least as well - probably better since their output is getting chewed up on a even larger scale. Attack chews through military equipment even faster than defense.

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    Bill Sloman, Sydney

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  • From John Doe@21:1/5 to All on Sun May 8 05:54:15 2022
    Bozo, the Australian troll.

    Bozo Bill Sloman, the most frequent troll in this group, is an attention-craving chronic liar who cannot be reasoned with...

    "the user has posted under the same name in other places, so not
    nym-shifting" (Bozo sucks at logic)

    "the Mueller investigation was about Trump only because Trump made it so"
    (Bozo lying)

    "the concepts "male" and "female" are essentially social constructions"
    (Bozo being weird)

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  • From Anthony William Sloman@21:1/5 to John Doe on Fri May 13 07:38:42 2022
    On Sunday, May 8, 2022 at 3:54:22 PM UTC+10, John Doe wrote:
    Bill the Australian troll.

    John Doe is being a classic troll here. He hasn't bothered to repost any of I what I posted, or any explanation of why it upset him - I do tend to post comments that suggest that he gets thing wrong - but he has merely asserted a proposition which he'd
    expect me to find insulting.

    This is what trolls do. I do find most of John Doe's posts objectionable, but when I object to them I do at least point out what he has got wrong, and why that particular. assertion is objectionable.

    If he ever got anything right, I wouldn't post an objection to that particular post. I do ignore some of his posts which are so obviously silly that it would be a waste of bandwidth to point it out, but he does get a lot of stuff wrong in objectionable
    ways.

    A troll like him calling other people trolls is one of them.

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    Bill Sloman, Sydney

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  • From Flyguy@21:1/5 to Edward Hernandez on Fri May 13 17:09:19 2022
    On Saturday, May 7, 2022 at 5:10:22 PM UTC-7, Edward Hernandez wrote:
    The John Doe troll stated the following in message-id <sdhn7c$pkp$4...@dont-email.me>:

    The troll doesn't even know how to format a USENET post...

    And the John Doe troll stated the following in message-id <sg3kr7$qt5$1...@dont-email.me>:

    The reason Bozo cannot figure out how to get Google to keep from
    breaking its lines in inappropriate places is because Bozo is
    CLUELESS...

    And yet, the clueless John Doe troll has itself posted yet another incorrectly formatted USENET posting on Sat, 7 May 2022 23:33:11 -0000
    (UTC) in message-id <t56vjn$c32$1...@dont-email.me>.

    Further, John Doe stated the following in message-id <svsh05$lbh$5...@dont-email.me> posted Fri, 4 Mar 2022 08:01:09 -0000
    (UTC):

    Compared to other regulars, Bozo contributes practically nothing
    except insults to this group.
    Yet, since Wed, 5 Jan 2022 04:10:38 -0000 (UTC) John Doe's post ratio to USENET (**) has been 61.3% of its posts contributing "nothing except
    insults" to USENET.

    ** Since Wed, 5 Jan 2022 04:10:38 -0000 (UTC) John Doe has posted at
    least 1342 articles to USENET. Of which 141 have been pure insults and
    682 have been John Doe "troll format" postings.

    xHteG6wTGTwS

    Eddie, GET A LIFE - you contribute LESS THAN NOTHING to ANY discussion here.

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  • From Flyguy@21:1/5 to bill....@ieee.org on Fri May 13 17:14:29 2022
    On Friday, May 13, 2022 at 7:38:48 AM UTC-7, bill....@ieee.org wrote:
    On Sunday, May 8, 2022 at 3:54:22 PM UTC+10, John Doe wrote:
    Bill the Australian troll.

    John Doe is being a classic troll here. He hasn't bothered to repost any of I what I posted, or any explanation of why it upset him - I do tend to post comments that suggest that he gets thing wrong - but he has merely asserted a proposition which he'd
    expect me to find insulting.

    This is what trolls do. I do find most of John Doe's posts objectionable, but when I object to them I do at least point out what he has got wrong, and why that particular. assertion is objectionable.

    If he ever got anything right, I wouldn't post an objection to that particular post. I do ignore some of his posts which are so obviously silly that it would be a waste of bandwidth to point it out, but he does get a lot of stuff wrong in objectionable
    ways.

    A troll like him calling other people trolls is one of them.

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    SNIPPERMAN, Sydney

    Hey SNIPPERMAN, here is a definition of a troll:

    In internet slang, a troll is a person who posts inflammatory, insincere, digressive,[1] extraneous, or off-topic messages in an online community (such as social media (Twitter, Facebook, Instagram, etc.), a newsgroup, forum, chat room, online video game,
    or blog), with the intent of provoking readers into displaying emotional responses,[2] or manipulating others' perception.

    That fits you to a TEE when you post documented lies about others, especially me, including blatant name-calling.

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  • From Anthony William Sloman@21:1/5 to Flyguy on Fri May 13 23:08:21 2022
    On Saturday, May 14, 2022 at 10:14:33 AM UTC+10, Flyguy wrote:
    On Friday, May 13, 2022 at 7:38:48 AM UTC-7, bill....@ieee.org wrote:
    On Sunday, May 8, 2022 at 3:54:22 PM UTC+10, John Doe wrote:
    Bill the Australian troll.

    John Doe is being a classic troll here. He hasn't bothered to repost any of I what I posted, or any explanation of why it upset him - I do tend to post comments that suggest that he gets thing wrong - but he has merely asserted a proposition which he'
    d expect me to find insulting.

    This is what trolls do. I do find most of John Doe's posts objectionable, but when I object to them I do at least point out what he has got wrong, and why that particular. assertion is objectionable.

    If he ever got anything right, I wouldn't post an objection to that particular post. I do ignore some of his posts which are so obviously silly that it would be a waste of bandwidth to point it out, but he does get a lot of stuff wrong in
    objectionable ways.

    A troll like him calling other people trolls is one of them.

    Hey Sloman, here is a definition of a troll:

    In internet slang, a troll is a person who posts inflammatory, insincere, digressive,[1] extraneous, or off-topic messages in an online community (such as social media (Twitter, Facebook, Instagram, etc.), a newsgroup, forum, chat room, online video
    game, or blog), with the intent of provoking readers into displaying emotional responses,[2] or manipulating others' perception.

    That fits you to a TEE when you post documented lies about others, especially me, including blatant name-calling.

    You do like to claim that I've posted lies about you, but you don't bother to cite whatever it is I've posted that you like to think is a lie.

    You do seem to think that my comments about your claim to be licensed to pilot aircraft - an implausible claim based on the stupidity of your posts here - constitute lies, but I'm afraid that it is your vanity that is doing the talking here.

    Your minders would be well advised to keep you out of reach a bicycle, let alone anything as potentially destructive as a car or an aircraft.

    Admittedly you might be posing as complete idiot with the intention of provoking readers into displaying emotional reactions, which would make you a troll, but my reactions are strictly rational, though I don't shy away from making rational points that
    aren't all that complimentary.

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    Bill Sloman, Sydney

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