• Tesla v jet

    From John Larkin@21:1/5 to All on Fri Apr 22 15:47:00 2022
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tcrrDlsT_xU

    If a driver did this, I guess the driver and his insurance would be
    liable. But this was doing the driverless auto-summons thing, so I
    assume Tesla is liable.

    Automation can transfer liabilities.

    After it hit the plane, you might expect it to stop.

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    but if he will be content to begin with doubts he shall end in certainties. Francis Bacon

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  • From Phil Allison@21:1/5 to John Larkin on Fri Apr 22 18:19:29 2022
    John Larkin wrote:
    ===============

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tcrrDlsT_xU

    If a driver did this, I guess the driver and his insurance would be
    liable. But this was doing the driverless auto-summons thing, so I
    assume Tesla is liable.


    ** No way !!

    The dumb jerk with the smart phone ( plus app) in their hands is.
    And if not, the owner of the car that let them do it.

    Automation can transfer liabilities.

    ** No very likely.

    ..... Phil

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  • From jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com@21:1/5 to pallison49@gmail.com on Fri Apr 22 19:46:18 2022
    On Fri, 22 Apr 2022 18:19:29 -0700 (PDT), Phil Allison
    <pallison49@gmail.com> wrote:

    John Larkin wrote:
    ===============

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tcrrDlsT_xU

    If a driver did this, I guess the driver and his insurance would be
    liable. But this was doing the driverless auto-summons thing, so I
    assume Tesla is liable.


    ** No way !!

    The dumb jerk with the smart phone ( plus app) in their hands is.
    And if not, the owner of the car that let them do it.

    Automation can transfer liabilities.

    ** No very likely.

    ..... Phil




    Tesla forgot to code the "don't hit a jet airplane" subroutine.

    And the "stop after you hit something" one.



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  • From bitrex@21:1/5 to John Larkin on Sat Apr 23 09:02:06 2022
    On 4/22/2022 6:47 PM, John Larkin wrote:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tcrrDlsT_xU

    If a driver did this, I guess the driver and his insurance would be
    liable. But this was doing the driverless auto-summons thing, so I
    assume Tesla is liable.

    Does it say in the fine print "Only to be used in parking lots"?

    That don't look like a parking lot to me.

    Automation can transfer liabilities.

    After it hit the plane, you might expect it to stop.


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  • From jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com@21:1/5 to bitrex on Sat Apr 23 07:23:47 2022
    On Sat, 23 Apr 2022 10:20:46 -0400, bitrex <user@example.net> wrote:

    On 4/22/2022 10:46 PM, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
    On Fri, 22 Apr 2022 18:19:29 -0700 (PDT), Phil Allison
    <pallison49@gmail.com> wrote:

    John Larkin wrote:
    ===============

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tcrrDlsT_xU

    If a driver did this, I guess the driver and his insurance would be
    liable. But this was doing the driverless auto-summons thing, so I
    assume Tesla is liable.


    ** No way !!

    The dumb jerk with the smart phone ( plus app) in their hands is.
    And if not, the owner of the car that let them do it.

    Automation can transfer liabilities.

    ** No very likely.

    ..... Phil




    Tesla forgot to code the "don't hit a jet airplane" subroutine.

    And the "stop after you hit something" one.



    My guess is it thinks it's in a parking lot and is mostly "looking"
    close to the ground, and is deeply confused by how relatively high a
    small aircraft sits on those lil legs. "path looks clear to me"

    Don't Teslas try to sneak under semis that are across the highway?

    They need a Limbo option.



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  • From bitrex@21:1/5 to jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com on Sat Apr 23 10:20:46 2022
    On 4/22/2022 10:46 PM, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
    On Fri, 22 Apr 2022 18:19:29 -0700 (PDT), Phil Allison
    <pallison49@gmail.com> wrote:

    John Larkin wrote:
    ===============

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tcrrDlsT_xU

    If a driver did this, I guess the driver and his insurance would be
    liable. But this was doing the driverless auto-summons thing, so I
    assume Tesla is liable.


    ** No way !!

    The dumb jerk with the smart phone ( plus app) in their hands is.
    And if not, the owner of the car that let them do it.

    Automation can transfer liabilities.

    ** No very likely.

    ..... Phil




    Tesla forgot to code the "don't hit a jet airplane" subroutine.

    And the "stop after you hit something" one.



    My guess is it thinks it's in a parking lot and is mostly "looking"
    close to the ground, and is deeply confused by how relatively high a
    small aircraft sits on those lil legs. "path looks clear to me"

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  • From bitrex@21:1/5 to jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com on Sat Apr 23 10:58:44 2022
    On 4/23/2022 10:23 AM, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
    On Sat, 23 Apr 2022 10:20:46 -0400, bitrex <user@example.net> wrote:

    On 4/22/2022 10:46 PM, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
    On Fri, 22 Apr 2022 18:19:29 -0700 (PDT), Phil Allison
    <pallison49@gmail.com> wrote:

    John Larkin wrote:
    ===============

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tcrrDlsT_xU

    If a driver did this, I guess the driver and his insurance would be
    liable. But this was doing the driverless auto-summons thing, so I
    assume Tesla is liable.


    ** No way !!

    The dumb jerk with the smart phone ( plus app) in their hands is.
    And if not, the owner of the car that let them do it.

    Automation can transfer liabilities.

    ** No very likely.

    ..... Phil




    Tesla forgot to code the "don't hit a jet airplane" subroutine.

    And the "stop after you hit something" one.



    My guess is it thinks it's in a parking lot and is mostly "looking"
    close to the ground, and is deeply confused by how relatively high a
    small aircraft sits on those lil legs. "path looks clear to me"

    Don't Teslas try to sneak under semis that are across the highway?

    They need a Limbo option.




    It's remarkable it works as well as it does much of the time. That guy
    who was in the unfortunate crash with the semi that I recall got very
    used to the autopilot being very good much of the time and came to trust
    it like a friend. It wasn't his friend.

    OTOH I saw a trash barrel roll out in front of a Model X a few cars
    ahead of me on the highway the other day and it nimbly dodged around it,
    faster than a human (or a human in the 5th decade of life like me at
    least my video game playing days are mostly over, too) could manage.

    My Volt is pretty bare-bones with respect to driver-assistance options
    aside from a backup camera it's mirrors and my eyes.

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  • From jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com@21:1/5 to bitrex on Sat Apr 23 08:37:22 2022
    On Sat, 23 Apr 2022 10:58:44 -0400, bitrex <user@example.net> wrote:

    On 4/23/2022 10:23 AM, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
    On Sat, 23 Apr 2022 10:20:46 -0400, bitrex <user@example.net> wrote:

    On 4/22/2022 10:46 PM, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
    On Fri, 22 Apr 2022 18:19:29 -0700 (PDT), Phil Allison
    <pallison49@gmail.com> wrote:

    John Larkin wrote:
    ===============

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tcrrDlsT_xU

    If a driver did this, I guess the driver and his insurance would be >>>>>> liable. But this was doing the driverless auto-summons thing, so I >>>>>> assume Tesla is liable.


    ** No way !!

    The dumb jerk with the smart phone ( plus app) in their hands is.
    And if not, the owner of the car that let them do it.

    Automation can transfer liabilities.

    ** No very likely.

    ..... Phil




    Tesla forgot to code the "don't hit a jet airplane" subroutine.

    And the "stop after you hit something" one.



    My guess is it thinks it's in a parking lot and is mostly "looking"
    close to the ground, and is deeply confused by how relatively high a
    small aircraft sits on those lil legs. "path looks clear to me"

    Don't Teslas try to sneak under semis that are across the highway?

    They need a Limbo option.




    It's remarkable it works as well as it does much of the time. That guy
    who was in the unfortunate crash with the semi that I recall got very
    used to the autopilot being very good much of the time and came to trust
    it like a friend. It wasn't his friend.

    OTOH I saw a trash barrel roll out in front of a Model X a few cars
    ahead of me on the highway the other day and it nimbly dodged around it, >faster than a human (or a human in the 5th decade of life like me at
    least my video game playing days are mostly over, too) could manage.

    My Volt is pretty bare-bones with respect to driver-assistance options
    aside from a backup camera it's mirrors and my eyes.

    We were driving uphill on Swiss Street and a blue wheelie recycling
    bin was screaming down the middle headed right for us. At the last
    second, it swerved and hit a parked car.

    The slope there is about 20% so it was moving.

    Driver assist makes more sense than autopilot to me, especially in
    cities.

    On the highway, I'd like a display of everything around me, with
    projected collision hazards highlighted. My Audi has rear blind spots
    and no cameras.






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  • From Tom Del Rosso@21:1/5 to John Larkin on Sun Apr 24 02:22:27 2022
    John Larkin wrote:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tcrrDlsT_xU

    If a driver did this, I guess the driver and his insurance would be
    liable. But this was doing the driverless auto-summons thing, so I
    assume Tesla is liable.

    Automation can transfer liabilities.

    After it hit the plane, you might expect it to stop.

    When people said "AI" they used to mean HAL, but now a thing with less intelligence than an insect is called AI.


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  • From Phil Allison@21:1/5 to John Larkin on Sun Apr 24 06:02:31 2022
    John Larkin wrote:
    ===================
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tcrrDlsT_xU

    After it hit the plane, you might expect it to stop.

    ** FFS it fucking did.

    Wot a damn stupid troll.
    Oh, it's a JL post so there is no other kind.



    ..... Phil

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  • From Martin Brown@21:1/5 to bitrex on Sun Apr 24 14:08:58 2022
    On 23/04/2022 15:20, bitrex wrote:
    On 4/22/2022 10:46 PM, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
    On Fri, 22 Apr 2022 18:19:29 -0700 (PDT), Phil Allison
    <pallison49@gmail.com> wrote:

    John Larkin wrote:
    ===============

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tcrrDlsT_xU

    If a driver did this, I guess the driver and his insurance would be
    liable. But this was doing the driverless auto-summons thing, so I
    assume Tesla is liable.


    **  No way !!

    The dumb jerk with the smart phone ( plus app) in their hands is.
    And if not,  the owner of the car that let them do it.

    Automation can transfer liabilities.

    **  No very likely.

    .....  Phil

    Tesla forgot to code the "don't hit a jet airplane" subroutine.

    And the "stop after you hit something" one.

    My guess is it thinks it's in a parking lot and is mostly "looking"
    close to the ground, and is deeply confused by how relatively high a
    small aircraft sits on those lil legs. "path looks clear to me"

    Not only that but the tail is at such an angle ~45 degrees that the main reflection back to the sensors will mislead both lidar and radar into
    thinking that the obstruction is further away than it really is.

    The image processing sanity check clearly didn't work. Ooops!

    We know that Telsas have a thing about featureless white trucks too.

    --
    Regards,
    Martin Brown

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  • From Flyguy@21:1/5 to Martin Brown on Sun Apr 24 11:52:14 2022
    On Sunday, April 24, 2022 at 6:09:06 AM UTC-7, Martin Brown wrote:
    On 23/04/2022 15:20, bitrex wrote:
    On 4/22/2022 10:46 PM, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
    On Fri, 22 Apr 2022 18:19:29 -0700 (PDT), Phil Allison
    <palli...@gmail.com> wrote:

    John Larkin wrote:
    ===============

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tcrrDlsT_xU

    If a driver did this, I guess the driver and his insurance would be
    liable. But this was doing the driverless auto-summons thing, so I
    assume Tesla is liable.


    ** No way !!

    The dumb jerk with the smart phone ( plus app) in their hands is.
    And if not, the owner of the car that let them do it.

    Automation can transfer liabilities.

    ** No very likely.

    ..... Phil

    Tesla forgot to code the "don't hit a jet airplane" subroutine.

    And the "stop after you hit something" one.

    My guess is it thinks it's in a parking lot and is mostly "looking"
    close to the ground, and is deeply confused by how relatively high a
    small aircraft sits on those lil legs. "path looks clear to me"
    Not only that but the tail is at such an angle ~45 degrees that the main reflection back to the sensors will mislead both lidar and radar into thinking that the obstruction is further away than it really is.

    The image processing sanity check clearly didn't work. Ooops!

    We know that Telsas have a thing about featureless white trucks too.

    --
    Regards,
    Martin Brown

    Tesla suffers from a total reliance on vision processing instead of combining it with LIDAR.
    https://venturebeat.com/2021/07/03/tesla-ai-chief-explains-why-self-driving-cars-dont-need-lidar/
    The problem is nobody, apparently, collected data on what aircraft look like.

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  • From jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com@21:1/5 to pallison49@gmail.com on Sun Apr 24 14:06:05 2022
    On Sun, 24 Apr 2022 06:02:31 -0700 (PDT), Phil Allison
    <pallison49@gmail.com> wrote:

    John Larkin wrote:
    ===================
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tcrrDlsT_xU

    After it hit the plane, you might expect it to stop.

    ** FFS it fucking did.

    Wot a damn stupid troll.
    Oh, it's a JL post so there is no other kind.



    ..... Phil


    I sentence you to being Phil Allison for the rest of your life.



    --

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  • From Ricky@21:1/5 to Flyguy on Sun Apr 24 14:09:05 2022
    On Sunday, April 24, 2022 at 2:52:18 PM UTC-4, Flyguy wrote:
    On Sunday, April 24, 2022 at 6:09:06 AM UTC-7, Martin Brown wrote:
    On 23/04/2022 15:20, bitrex wrote:
    On 4/22/2022 10:46 PM, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
    On Fri, 22 Apr 2022 18:19:29 -0700 (PDT), Phil Allison
    <palli...@gmail.com> wrote:

    John Larkin wrote:
    ===============

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tcrrDlsT_xU

    If a driver did this, I guess the driver and his insurance would be >>>> liable. But this was doing the driverless auto-summons thing, so I >>>> assume Tesla is liable.


    ** No way !!

    The dumb jerk with the smart phone ( plus app) in their hands is.
    And if not, the owner of the car that let them do it.

    Automation can transfer liabilities.

    ** No very likely.

    ..... Phil

    Tesla forgot to code the "don't hit a jet airplane" subroutine.

    And the "stop after you hit something" one.

    My guess is it thinks it's in a parking lot and is mostly "looking" close to the ground, and is deeply confused by how relatively high a small aircraft sits on those lil legs. "path looks clear to me"
    Not only that but the tail is at such an angle ~45 degrees that the main reflection back to the sensors will mislead both lidar and radar into thinking that the obstruction is further away than it really is.

    The image processing sanity check clearly didn't work. Ooops!

    We know that Telsas have a thing about featureless white trucks too.

    --
    Regards,
    Martin Brown
    Tesla suffers from a total reliance on vision processing instead of combining it with LIDAR.
    https://venturebeat.com/2021/07/03/tesla-ai-chief-explains-why-self-driving-cars-dont-need-lidar/
    The problem is nobody, apparently, collected data on what aircraft look like.

    None of that matters. Any time the car is being moved, a person is supposed to supervise it. Summon is not intended to work without someone watching to stop it with the remote or phone app. Clearly this person is rather trusting and expected the car
    to drive itself autonomously... which they don't. No one at Tesla says they do operate autonomously. Just people who wish to complain that the car doesn't do what they say it doesn't do. Larkin is the number one complainer. I guess he isn't very good
    at listening to what he's told.

    --

    Rick C.

    - Get 1,000 miles of free Supercharging
    - Tesla referral code - https://ts.la/richard11209

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  • From Ricky@21:1/5 to jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com on Sun Apr 24 14:15:40 2022
    On Sunday, April 24, 2022 at 5:06:17 PM UTC-4, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
    On Sun, 24 Apr 2022 06:02:31 -0700 (PDT), Phil Allison
    <palli...@gmail.com> wrote:

    John Larkin wrote:
    ===================
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tcrrDlsT_xU

    After it hit the plane, you might expect it to stop.

    ** FFS it fucking did.

    Wot a damn stupid troll.
    Oh, it's a JL post so there is no other kind.



    ..... Phil

    I sentence you to being Phil Allison for the rest of your life.

    Larkin envies Phil Allison in that regard.

    --

    Rick C.

    + Get 1,000 miles of free Supercharging
    + Tesla referral code - https://ts.la/richard11209

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  • From Anthony William Sloman@21:1/5 to jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com on Mon Apr 25 05:04:48 2022
    On Monday, April 25, 2022 at 7:06:17 AM UTC+10, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
    On Sun, 24 Apr 2022 06:02:31 -0700 (PDT), Phil Allison
    <palli...@gmail.com> wrote:

    John Larkin wrote:
    ===================
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tcrrDlsT_xU

    After it hit the plane, you might expect it to stop.

    ** FFS it fucking did.

    Wot a damn stupid troll.
    Oh, it's a JL post so there is no other kind.

    I sentence you to being Phil Allison for the rest of your life.

    Phil got off lightly. He could have been sentenced to being John Larkin, though John Larkin wouldn't have seen that as a punishment.
    Being sentenced to being John Doe, Cursitor Doom or Flyguy - probably the same person or, perhaps the same troll program, operating with different nyms, would have been marginally worse, if marginally less intellectually demanding.

    --
    Bill Sloman, Sydney

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  • From bitrex@21:1/5 to Ricky on Mon Apr 25 09:20:49 2022
    On 4/24/2022 5:15 PM, Ricky wrote:
    On Sunday, April 24, 2022 at 5:06:17 PM UTC-4, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
    On Sun, 24 Apr 2022 06:02:31 -0700 (PDT), Phil Allison
    <palli...@gmail.com> wrote:

    John Larkin wrote:
    ===================
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tcrrDlsT_xU

    After it hit the plane, you might expect it to stop.

    ** FFS it fucking did.

    Wot a damn stupid troll.
    Oh, it's a JL post so there is no other kind.



    ..... Phil

    I sentence you to being Phil Allison for the rest of your life.

    Larkin envies Phil Allison in that regard.


    It will be fun to "ha ha!" the Tesla owners around here once Musk
    unlocks Trump's account 2 minutes after acquiring Twitter. It would be
    more satisfying to punch them, but...

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  • From Anthony William Sloman@21:1/5 to bitrex on Mon Apr 25 08:13:34 2022
    On Monday, April 25, 2022 at 11:20:57 PM UTC+10, bitrex wrote:
    On 4/24/2022 5:15 PM, Ricky wrote:
    On Sunday, April 24, 2022 at 5:06:17 PM UTC-4, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
    On Sun, 24 Apr 2022 06:02:31 -0700 (PDT), Phil Allison
    <palli...@gmail.com> wrote:

    John Larkin wrote:
    ===================
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tcrrDlsT_xU

    After it hit the plane, you might expect it to stop.

    ** FFS it fucking did.

    Wot a damn stupid troll.
    Oh, it's a JL post so there is no other kind.

    I sentence you to being Phil Allison for the rest of your life.

    Larkin envies Phil Allison in that regard.

    It will be fun to "ha ha!" the Tesla owners around here once Musk
    unlocks Trump's account 2 minutes after acquiring Twitter. It would be
    more satisfying to punch them, but...

    John Larkin is a physical as well as an intellectual dwarf, so his punches would have the same kind of impact as his insults.

    Elon Musk may not be as clever as he thinks he is (though being the richest man in the world does suggest some ingenuity) but he's probably clever enough not to unlock Donald Trump's Twitter account even if he could. It's not as if Donald Trump has
    enough ready money to offer him an attractive bribe.

    --
    Bill Sloman, Sydney

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  • From Ricky@21:1/5 to bitrex on Mon Apr 25 08:02:46 2022
    On Monday, April 25, 2022 at 9:20:57 AM UTC-4, bitrex wrote:
    On 4/24/2022 5:15 PM, Ricky wrote:
    On Sunday, April 24, 2022 at 5:06:17 PM UTC-4, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
    On Sun, 24 Apr 2022 06:02:31 -0700 (PDT), Phil Allison
    <palli...@gmail.com> wrote:

    John Larkin wrote:
    ===================
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tcrrDlsT_xU

    After it hit the plane, you might expect it to stop.

    ** FFS it fucking did.

    Wot a damn stupid troll.
    Oh, it's a JL post so there is no other kind.



    ..... Phil

    I sentence you to being Phil Allison for the rest of your life.

    Larkin envies Phil Allison in that regard.

    It will be fun to "ha ha!" the Tesla owners around here once Musk
    unlocks Trump's account 2 minutes after acquiring Twitter. It would be
    more satisfying to punch them, but...

    On the meths today, I see.

    Why would I give a shit about Trmp, Musk and Twitter?

    --

    Rick C.

    -- Get 1,000 miles of free Supercharging
    -- Tesla referral code - https://ts.la/richard11209

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  • From bitrex@21:1/5 to Anthony William Sloman on Mon Apr 25 11:21:00 2022
    On 4/25/2022 11:13 AM, Anthony William Sloman wrote:
    On Monday, April 25, 2022 at 11:20:57 PM UTC+10, bitrex wrote:
    On 4/24/2022 5:15 PM, Ricky wrote:
    On Sunday, April 24, 2022 at 5:06:17 PM UTC-4, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
    On Sun, 24 Apr 2022 06:02:31 -0700 (PDT), Phil Allison
    <palli...@gmail.com> wrote:

    John Larkin wrote:
    ===================
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tcrrDlsT_xU

    After it hit the plane, you might expect it to stop.

    ** FFS it fucking did.

    Wot a damn stupid troll.
    Oh, it's a JL post so there is no other kind.

    I sentence you to being Phil Allison for the rest of your life.

    Larkin envies Phil Allison in that regard.

    It will be fun to "ha ha!" the Tesla owners around here once Musk
    unlocks Trump's account 2 minutes after acquiring Twitter. It would be
    more satisfying to punch them, but...

    John Larkin is a physical as well as an intellectual dwarf, so his punches would have the same kind of impact as his insults.

    Elon Musk may not be as clever as he thinks he is (though being the richest man in the world does suggest some ingenuity) but he's probably clever enough not to unlock Donald Trump's Twitter account even if he could. It's not as if Donald Trump has
    enough ready money to offer him an attractive bribe.


    Just going on how much the "lamestream media" says it's very unlikely to happen, and how much Donald Trump has said himself he's not interested,
    I'm guessing the probability it will happen in short order to be almost
    a certainty but we'll see...

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  • From bitrex@21:1/5 to Ricky on Mon Apr 25 11:40:42 2022
    On 4/25/2022 11:02 AM, Ricky wrote:
    On Monday, April 25, 2022 at 9:20:57 AM UTC-4, bitrex wrote:
    On 4/24/2022 5:15 PM, Ricky wrote:
    On Sunday, April 24, 2022 at 5:06:17 PM UTC-4, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
    On Sun, 24 Apr 2022 06:02:31 -0700 (PDT), Phil Allison
    <palli...@gmail.com> wrote:

    John Larkin wrote:
    ===================
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tcrrDlsT_xU

    After it hit the plane, you might expect it to stop.

    ** FFS it fucking did.

    Wot a damn stupid troll.
    Oh, it's a JL post so there is no other kind.



    ..... Phil

    I sentence you to being Phil Allison for the rest of your life.

    Larkin envies Phil Allison in that regard.

    It will be fun to "ha ha!" the Tesla owners around here once Musk
    unlocks Trump's account 2 minutes after acquiring Twitter. It would be
    more satisfying to punch them, but...

    On the meths today, I see.

    Why would I give a shit about Trmp, Musk and Twitter?


    Musk is still greatly admired by many ignorant liberals and Democrats
    who don't know any better, I'd say they likely make up the bulk of his
    fan base at this time.

    And if there's a somewhat reliable method to maintaining long-term
    popularity as a big celebrity in America one of the things that's
    required to do is about every decade, do an inventory of who your
    biggest fans and long-term supporters are. People who've stood with you
    for years.

    And take a big steaming shit on them, lol...

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  • From bitrex@21:1/5 to Tom Del Rosso on Mon Apr 25 11:59:43 2022
    On 4/24/2022 2:22 AM, Tom Del Rosso wrote:
    John Larkin wrote:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tcrrDlsT_xU

    If a driver did this, I guess the driver and his insurance would be
    liable. But this was doing the driverless auto-summons thing, so I
    assume Tesla is liable.

    Automation can transfer liabilities.

    After it hit the plane, you might expect it to stop.

    When people said "AI" they used to mean HAL, but now a thing with less intelligence than an insect is called AI.


    So if you put all 535 of the AIs elected to Congress together you'd have
    almost one unit of what is now a thing called "AI"

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  • From Phil Allison@21:1/5 to bill....@ieee.org on Mon Apr 25 16:52:19 2022
    bill....@ieee.org wrote:
    ================

    Phil Allison wrote:
    Wot a damn stupid troll.
    Oh, it's a JL post so there is no other kind.

    I sentence you to being Phil Allison for the rest of your life.

    Larkin envies Phil Allison in that regard.


    John Larkin is a physical as well as an intellectual dwarf,


    ** So JL is a "short arse" is he ?

    Explains a lot.....

    " Short people got no reason to live.... "


    .... Phil

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  • From Phil Allison@21:1/5 to John Larkin on Mon Apr 25 17:30:12 2022
    John Larkin wrote:
    ==============

    Phil Allison wrote:
    Wot a damn stupid troll.
    Oh, it's a JL post so there is no other kind.

    I sentence you to being Phil Allison for the rest of your life.

    Larkin envies Phil Allison in that regard.


    John Larkin is a physical as well as an intellectual dwarf,


    ** So JL is a "short arse" is he ?

    Explains a lot.....

    " Short people got no reason to live.... "


    5' 7.5", not especially short.

    But Sloman has never met me. He applied for a job but we turned him
    down. He hasn't been friendly since.

    If you send me your resume, I can turn you down too.


    ** Spent two years working for an electronics business run by Scientologists.

    The job interview lasted barely 2 minutes.
    That the boss and other staff were all disciples of L. Ron Hubbard was not revealed to me.

    I left with no warning to start working for myself, never looked back.
    Reckon I can handle any damn thing after that.


    ..... Phil

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  • From John Larkin@21:1/5 to pallison49@gmail.com on Mon Apr 25 17:16:53 2022
    On Mon, 25 Apr 2022 16:52:19 -0700 (PDT), Phil Allison
    <pallison49@gmail.com> wrote:

    bill....@ieee.org wrote:
    ================

    Phil Allison wrote:
    Wot a damn stupid troll.
    Oh, it's a JL post so there is no other kind.

    I sentence you to being Phil Allison for the rest of your life.

    Larkin envies Phil Allison in that regard.


    John Larkin is a physical as well as an intellectual dwarf,


    ** So JL is a "short arse" is he ?

    Explains a lot.....

    " Short people got no reason to live.... "


    .... Phil

    5' 7.5", not especially short.

    But Sloman has never met me. He applied for a job but we turned him
    down. He hasn't been friendly since.

    If you send me your resume, I can turn you down too.

    --

    If a man will begin with certainties, he shall end with doubts,
    but if he will be content to begin with doubts he shall end in certainties. Francis Bacon

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  • From Ricky@21:1/5 to palli...@gmail.com on Mon Apr 25 17:49:19 2022
    On Monday, April 25, 2022 at 8:30:16 PM UTC-4, palli...@gmail.com wrote:
    John Larkin wrote:
    ==============

    Phil Allison wrote:
    Wot a damn stupid troll.
    Oh, it's a JL post so there is no other kind.

    I sentence you to being Phil Allison for the rest of your life.

    Larkin envies Phil Allison in that regard.


    John Larkin is a physical as well as an intellectual dwarf,


    ** So JL is a "short arse" is he ?

    Explains a lot.....

    " Short people got no reason to live.... "


    5' 7.5", not especially short.

    But Sloman has never met me. He applied for a job but we turned him
    down. He hasn't been friendly since.

    If you send me your resume, I can turn you down too.

    ** Spent two years working for an electronics business run by Scientologists.

    The job interview lasted barely 2 minutes.
    That the boss and other staff were all disciples of L. Ron Hubbard was not revealed to me.

    I left with no warning to start working for myself, never looked back.
    Reckon I can handle any damn thing after that.

    LOL. That's pretty funny actually. What sort of stuff were they building? How did the Scientology aspect impact the work? Did they not believe in specifications, budgets, schedules?

    --

    Rick C.

    -+ Get 1,000 miles of free Supercharging
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  • From bitrex@21:1/5 to Ricky on Mon Apr 25 21:21:39 2022
    On 4/25/2022 8:49 PM, Ricky wrote:
    On Monday, April 25, 2022 at 8:30:16 PM UTC-4, palli...@gmail.com wrote:
    John Larkin wrote:
    ==============

    Phil Allison wrote:
    Wot a damn stupid troll.
    Oh, it's a JL post so there is no other kind.

    I sentence you to being Phil Allison for the rest of your life. >>>>>>>
    Larkin envies Phil Allison in that regard.


    John Larkin is a physical as well as an intellectual dwarf,


    ** So JL is a "short arse" is he ?

    Explains a lot.....

    " Short people got no reason to live.... "


    5' 7.5", not especially short.

    But Sloman has never met me. He applied for a job but we turned him
    down. He hasn't been friendly since.

    If you send me your resume, I can turn you down too.

    ** Spent two years working for an electronics business run by Scientologists.

    The job interview lasted barely 2 minutes.
    That the boss and other staff were all disciples of L. Ron Hubbard was not revealed to me.

    I left with no warning to start working for myself, never looked back.
    Reckon I can handle any damn thing after that.

    LOL. That's pretty funny actually. What sort of stuff were they building? How did the Scientology aspect impact the work? Did they not believe in specifications, budgets, schedules?



    Solar-powered flashlight. Wooden fireplace. Helicopter with an ejection
    seat. Screen door in a submarine, to keep the fish out.

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  • From Phil Allison@21:1/5 to Ricky on Mon Apr 25 18:24:40 2022
    Ricky wrote:
    ===========


    Phil Allison wrote:
    Wot a damn stupid troll.
    Oh, it's a JL post so there is no other kind.

    I sentence you to being Phil Allison for the rest of your life. >> > >
    Larkin envies Phil Allison in that regard.


    John Larkin is a physical as well as an intellectual dwarf,


    ** So JL is a "short arse" is he ?

    Explains a lot.....

    " Short people got no reason to live.... "


    5' 7.5", not especially short.

    But Sloman has never met me. He applied for a job but we turned him
    down. He hasn't been friendly since.

    If you send me your resume, I can turn you down too.

    ** Spent two years working for an electronics business run by Scientologists.

    The job interview lasted barely 2 minutes.
    That the boss and other staff were all disciples of L. Ron Hubbard was not revealed to me.

    I left with no warning to start working for myself, never looked back. Reckon I can handle any damn thing after that.

    LOL. That's pretty funny actually.

    ----------------------------------------------------------

    ** Scientologists are a scream, biggest narcissists on the planet.

    What sort of stuff were they building?

    ** So called " high end " home hi-fi - real audiophool stuff.

    Power amplifiers with a mix of tubes and lateral mosfets, all tube preamps and a hi-fi AM tuner were in development at the time.
    The boss also did a regular trade in "modifications" to existing gear for the congenitally gullible.
    Total scam.
    Scientology headquarters for Sydney was just up the road so I got to meet the * grand pohbah* a couple of few times when he dropped in.
    Bit of a Tom Cruise type.

    My job however was to do honest repair work on guitar amps and other musical electronics plus the odd bit of hi-fi.
    Even office girls ( who came and went) were all from the Church.

    How did the Scientology aspect impact the work?

    ** It created a sense that being inherently superior to regular humans meant they could do impossible things.
    Also that non Scientologists or "wogs" were ripe to be exploited
    Scientology is a cult you know.

    Did they not believe in specifications, budgets, schedules?

    ** Scientologists simply do not believe in facts.
    But still have enough rat cunning to survive quite well.

    The business was known as " Allen Wright Electronics " and still exist in an evolved form.
    My boss was Allen himself.

    http://www.vacuumstate.com/index.dna?rubrik=5&lang=2&a=%2587%2590Tr%2511%25FA5%25F3&b=738636.1171351829

    I got treated fairly well, at least no-one called me a "wog" to my face. Scientology itself was never discussed with me.
    But any good ideas I had were stolen so Allen could pretend they were his. Which is why I left without giving notice one Friday arvo.
    Back in 1982.


    ..... Phil

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  • From Anthony William Sloman@21:1/5 to John Larkin on Mon Apr 25 18:37:00 2022
    On Tuesday, April 26, 2022 at 10:17:05 AM UTC+10, John Larkin wrote:
    On Mon, 25 Apr 2022 16:52:19 -0700 (PDT), Phil Allison
    <palli...@gmail.com> wrote:

    bill....@ieee.org wrote:
    ================

    Phil Allison wrote:
    Wot a damn stupid troll.
    Oh, it's a JL post so there is no other kind.

    I sentence you to being Phil Allison for the rest of your life.

    Larkin envies Phil Allison in that regard.


    John Larkin is a physical as well as an intellectual dwarf,


    ** So JL is a "short arse" is he ?

    Explains a lot.....

    " Short people got no reason to live.... "


    .... Phil
    5' 7.5", not especially short.

    But small enough to be senisitive about it. My father wasn't any shorter, but he did have the revealing habit of calling any male shorter than himself "a nice little man".

    But Sloman has never met me. He applied for a job but we turned him down. He hasn't been friendly since.

    He was complaining about needing more engineering talent, and I suggest that he could subcontract some work to me.

    He promptly told Jim Thompson about it, who immediately gloated here about how he'd stopped John Larkin from making the error of taking me on.

    I wasn't all that happy about this and I don't think that anybody with any sense would think that he'd behaved well. It's not the kind of behavior you forget.

    If you send me your resume, I can turn you down too.

    If Phil larded it with enough flattery, John Larkin might change his mind. Phil wouldn't be silly enough to do that.

    --
    Bill Sloman, Sydney

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  • From Ricky@21:1/5 to John Larkin on Mon Apr 25 18:53:47 2022
    On Monday, April 25, 2022 at 8:17:05 PM UTC-4, John Larkin wrote:
    On Mon, 25 Apr 2022 16:52:19 -0700 (PDT), Phil Allison
    <palli...@gmail.com> wrote:

    bill....@ieee.org wrote:
    ================

    Phil Allison wrote:
    Wot a damn stupid troll.
    Oh, it's a JL post so there is no other kind.

    I sentence you to being Phil Allison for the rest of your life.

    Larkin envies Phil Allison in that regard.


    John Larkin is a physical as well as an intellectual dwarf,


    ** So JL is a "short arse" is he ?

    Explains a lot.....

    " Short people got no reason to live.... "


    .... Phil
    5' 7.5", not especially short.

    I would not think 5' 7" was short at all really. But it's clearly perceived as short by someone who would say they are 5' 7.5".

    --

    Rick C.

    +- Get 1,000 miles of free Supercharging
    +- Tesla referral code - https://ts.la/richard11209

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  • From StupidAs StupidGet@21:1/5 to Ricky on Mon Apr 25 20:59:33 2022
    On Monday, April 25, 2022 at 6:53:50 PM UTC-7, Ricky wrote:
    On Monday, April 25, 2022 at 8:17:05 PM UTC-4, John Larkin wrote:
    On Mon, 25 Apr 2022 16:52:19 -0700 (PDT), Phil Allison
    <palli...@gmail.com> wrote:

    bill....@ieee.org wrote:
    ================

    Phil Allison wrote:
    Wot a damn stupid troll.
    Oh, it's a JL post so there is no other kind.

    I sentence you to being Phil Allison for the rest of your life.

    Larkin envies Phil Allison in that regard.


    John Larkin is a physical as well as an intellectual dwarf,


    ** So JL is a "short arse" is he ?

    Explains a lot.....

    " Short people got no reason to live.... "


    .... Phil
    5' 7.5", not especially short.
    I would not think 5' 7" was short at all really. But it's clearly perceived as short by someone who would say they are 5' 7.5".

    Both Putin, Zelenskyy and I are 5'7. Such coincident.

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  • From Ricky@21:1/5 to StupidAs StupidGet on Thu Apr 28 21:03:01 2022
    On Monday, April 25, 2022 at 11:59:37 PM UTC-4, StupidAs StupidGet wrote:
    On Monday, April 25, 2022 at 6:53:50 PM UTC-7, Ricky wrote:
    On Monday, April 25, 2022 at 8:17:05 PM UTC-4, John Larkin wrote:
    On Mon, 25 Apr 2022 16:52:19 -0700 (PDT), Phil Allison <palli...@gmail.com> wrote:

    bill....@ieee.org wrote:
    ================

    Phil Allison wrote:
    Wot a damn stupid troll.
    Oh, it's a JL post so there is no other kind.

    I sentence you to being Phil Allison for the rest of your life. >> > >
    Larkin envies Phil Allison in that regard.


    John Larkin is a physical as well as an intellectual dwarf,


    ** So JL is a "short arse" is he ?

    Explains a lot.....

    " Short people got no reason to live.... "


    .... Phil
    5' 7.5", not especially short.
    I would not think 5' 7" was short at all really. But it's clearly perceived as short by someone who would say they are 5' 7.5".
    Both Putin, Zelenskyy and I are 5'7. Such coincident.

    I wonder how many people claim to be 5' 7.5"?

    --

    Rick C.

    ++ Get 1,000 miles of free Supercharging
    ++ Tesla referral code - https://ts.la/richard11209

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