• The political leanings of news media organizations

    From Joe Gwinn@21:1/5 to All on Wed Apr 6 20:46:17 2022
    How to calibrate and compare diverse news sources? If one wants
    diversity of viewpoint, one's sources should not be too similar in
    political opinions and leanings.

    In the US, the entire political scale is somewhat to the right of the
    European scale.

    Here is "Americans are divided by party in the sources they turn to
    for political news" from Pew Research:

    .<https://www.pewresearch.org/journalism/2020/01/24/americans-are-divided-by-party-in-the-sources-they-turn-to-for-political-news/>


    Note the differences in circulation, which is a rough proxy for
    influence. But also note that the Wall Street Journal has the highest
    _paid_ circulation of any US newspaper, and has national scope.

    Here are the 2021 statistics:

    "Average weekday print circulation of selected newspapers in the
    United States from October 2020 to March 2021"

    .<https://www.statista.com/statistics/272790/circulation-of-the-biggest-daily-newspapers-in-the-us/>


    And another take:

    "Media Bias Chart" from Ad Fontes Media:

    .<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ad_Fontes_Media>


    There are likely similar charts for European media, both print and
    electronic.

    Joe Gwinn

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  • From Anthony William Sloman@21:1/5 to John Doe on Thu Apr 7 00:39:22 2022
    On Thursday, April 7, 2022 at 5:24:44 PM UTC+10, John Doe wrote:
    Joe Gwinn wrote:

    How to calibrate and compare diverse news sources? If one wants
    diversity of viewpoint, one's sources should not be too similar in political opinions and leanings.

    In the US, the entire political scale is somewhat to the right of the European scale.

    Here is "Americans are divided by party in the sources they turn to
    for political news" from Pew Research:

    <https://www.pewresearch.org/journalism/2020/01/24/americans-are-divided-by-party-in-the-sources-they-turn-to-for-political-news/>

    Note the differences in circulation, which is a rough proxy for
    influence. But also note that the Wall Street Journal has the highest _paid_ circulation of any US newspaper, and has national scope.

    Here are the 2021 statistics:

    "Average weekday print circulation of selected newspapers in the
    United States from October 2020 to March 2021"

    <https://www.statista.com/statistics/272790/circulation-of-the-biggest-daily-newspapers-in-the-us/>

    And another take:

    "Media Bias Chart" from Ad Fontes Media:

    <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ad_Fontes_Media>

    There are likely similar charts for European media, both print and electronic.
    Given the unfathomable resource of the Internet...

    I do popular media partly for fun and partly to educate, learn from, and learn about other people (in comment sections).

    That does seem to have been a total failure.

    Sometimes the media is useful for pointers, for example they might say something about a court case or what somebody said, that can be looked up to see what really happened.

    By which John Doe means "what John Doe would like to think had happened".

    Much as possible, I seek the "horse's mouth" for information. There is a lot more of it available nowadays.

    The horse's mouth has teeth in it. The end of the horse that John Doe attends to doesn't.

    <snip>

    --
    Bill Sloman, Sydney

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  • From John Doe@21:1/5 to Joe Gwinn on Thu Apr 7 07:24:37 2022
    Joe Gwinn wrote:

    How to calibrate and compare diverse news sources? If one wants
    diversity of viewpoint, one's sources should not be too similar in
    political opinions and leanings.

    In the US, the entire political scale is somewhat to the right of the European scale.

    Here is "Americans are divided by party in the sources they turn to
    for political news" from Pew Research:

    <https://www.pewresearch.org/journalism/2020/01/24/americans-are-divided-by-party-in-the-sources-they-turn-to-for-political-news/>

    Note the differences in circulation, which is a rough proxy for
    influence. But also note that the Wall Street Journal has the highest
    _paid_ circulation of any US newspaper, and has national scope.

    Here are the 2021 statistics:

    "Average weekday print circulation of selected newspapers in the
    United States from October 2020 to March 2021"

    <https://www.statista.com/statistics/272790/circulation-of-the-biggest-daily-newspapers-in-the-us/>

    And another take:

    "Media Bias Chart" from Ad Fontes Media:

    <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ad_Fontes_Media>

    There are likely similar charts for European media, both print and electronic.

    Given the unfathomable resource of the Internet...

    I do popular media partly for fun and partly to educate, learn from, and
    learn about other people (in comment sections). Sometimes the media is
    useful for pointers, for example they might say something about a court
    case or what somebody said, that can be looked up to see what really
    happened.

    Much as possible, I seek the "horse's mouth" for information. There is a
    lot more of it available nowadays.

    The media wasn't always so bad...

    https://youtu.be/vTMdfjy2a5I (rated G)

    :)

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  • From John Doe@21:1/5 to All on Thu Apr 7 14:40:00 2022
    Bozo is a nasty Australian clown.


    Bozo Bill Sloman, the most frequent troll in this group, is an attention-craving chronic liar who cannot be reasoned with...

    "the Mueller investigation was about Trump only because Trump made it so"
    (Bozo paraphrased)

    "the concepts "male" and "female" are essentially social constructions"
    (Bill Sloman)

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  • From Anthony William Sloman@21:1/5 to John Doe on Thu Apr 7 17:07:24 2022
    On Friday, April 8, 2022 at 12:40:06 AM UTC+10, John Doe wrote:
    Bill is a nasty Australian clown.

    But not nasty enough to get John Doe to shut up. I'll have to do better.

    It's fairly typical of John Doe that he claims that I "cannot be reasoned with" when he posts a complaint about me, after having snipped the text that he is ostensibly complaining about.

    If John Doe understood reasoned argument, he'd see the problem with that. He can't actually come up with novel abuse, and has to recycle stuff he posted other threads, which is to say he is remarkably stupid even by the standards of our dumber trolls.

    <snip>

    --
    Bill Sloman, Sydney

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  • From Ricky@21:1/5 to Joe Gwinn on Fri Apr 8 08:10:44 2022
    On Wednesday, April 6, 2022 at 8:46:35 PM UTC-4, Joe Gwinn wrote:
    How to calibrate and compare diverse news sources? If one wants
    diversity of viewpoint, one's sources should not be too similar in
    political opinions and leanings.

    In the US, the entire political scale is somewhat to the right of the European scale.

    Here is "Americans are divided by party in the sources they turn to
    for political news" from Pew Research:

    .<https://www.pewresearch.org/journalism/2020/01/24/americans-are-divided-by-party-in-the-sources-they-turn-to-for-political-news/>


    Note the differences in circulation, which is a rough proxy for
    influence. But also note that the Wall Street Journal has the highest
    _paid_ circulation of any US newspaper, and has national scope.

    Here are the 2021 statistics:

    "Average weekday print circulation of selected newspapers in the
    United States from October 2020 to March 2021"

    .<https://www.statista.com/statistics/272790/circulation-of-the-biggest-daily-newspapers-in-the-us/>


    And another take:

    "Media Bias Chart" from Ad Fontes Media:

    .<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ad_Fontes_Media>


    There are likely similar charts for European media, both print and electronic.

    Who gives a shit about the ratings by some third party who you also don't know the bias of?

    Read from a variety of sources and parse the truth/reality from the manipulative BS. Hell, I'm able to get info from both NPR and Fox, because I can pretty easily tell the biased portion of a story from the actual news reporting. Actually, if you
    ignore the clearly opinion pieces on Fox, they do some decent reporting. With NPR it's typically a bit more subtle, but you can see the bias in tone of the story even if not in the facts reported.

    --

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  • From whit3rd@21:1/5 to Ricky on Fri Apr 8 11:44:38 2022
    On Friday, April 8, 2022 at 8:10:48 AM UTC-7, Ricky wrote:
    On Wednesday, April 6, 2022 at 8:46:35 PM UTC-4, Joe Gwinn wrote:
    How to calibrate and compare diverse news sources?

    Who gives a shit about the ratings by some third party who you also don't know the bias of?

    Read from a variety of sources and parse the truth/reality from the manipulative BS. Hell, I'm able to get info from both NPR and Fox, because I can pretty easily tell the biased portion of a story from the actual news reporting.

    That's a good point; as long as multiple news organizations are reporting, no blatant untruth goes uncorrected
    (if only because of competitive response). What DOES go uncorrected is faulty reasoning (give evidence of X,
    but conclude "X plus Y").

    Some people think extension/extrapolation/opinion by news organizations is equivalent to reporting, and
    'trust' the organization. That's lazy: reporting is about events, is a historic record, while opinion is
    what a thinking person ought to be able to create from that record, independent of commentators.

    Take the reporting for what it's worth. Use it to make your own opinions. The problem I have with
    (for example) Trump is that he's weak: he finds weak reasoning and adopts it as his stance.
    If the man had any intellectual backbone, I never saw it.

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  • From Phil Allison@21:1/5 to All on Fri Apr 8 16:47:36 2022
    Witless Idiot whit3rd wrote:
    =======================

    .... as long as multiple news organizations are reporting, no blatant untruth goes uncorrected


    ** What utter, childish nonsense.
    You have to know the truth to even suspect that it is simply NOT being reported.

    Commercial news services ( they all are) are in the entertainment business, reporters are positioned as stars in actual events constantly explaining them to naive and gullible viewers. Ratings are all that matter so stories must be entertaining, but
    not too confronting.
    Staffers well know the political affiliations of bosses and comply automatically by self censoring.
    Newspapers used to be the most blatant examples but nowadays broadcast new services out compete them in every way.

    Take the reporting for what it's worth. Use it to make your own opinions.

    ** Recipe for being hoodwinked at every step.

    The problem I have with (for example) Trump is that he's weak:

    ** That is a bizarre remark.

    Trump is famous for calling out US news services with the complaint they publish " fake news".
    Such a complaint from the US President is deeply insulting and worrying to these businesses, as their incomes depend on being believed.
    Most journalists would be out of work if Trump's complaint was widely accepted as true.

    He refused to play their corrupt game so they had to get rid of him - ASAP and by any and all means.
    Of course that aim coincided with the similar aim of the Dem party.




    ...... Phil

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  • From whit3rd@21:1/5 to palli...@gmail.com on Fri Apr 8 17:02:16 2022
    On Friday, April 8, 2022 at 4:47:39 PM UTC-7, palli...@gmail.com wrote:
    whit3rd wrote:
    =======================

    .... as long as multiple news organizations are reporting, no blatant untruth goes uncorrected

    ** What utter, childish nonsense.
    You have to know the truth to even suspect that it is simply NOT being reported.

    The problem I have with (for example) Trump is that he's weak:

    ** That is a bizarre remark.

    Trump is famous for calling out US news services with the complaint they publish " fake news".
    Such a complaint from the US President is deeply insulting and worrying to these businesses, as their incomes depend on being believed.

    Yeah, and that's weak. It's logically weak, often baseless i.e. without foundation. I'm not saying
    his voice was low and indistinct when I say 'weak'. His 'was stolen' is weak, too. And, roundly
    refuted by multiple independent news organizations.

    You haven't seen one news organization report a flaw in another's reportage? Yet, you've
    heard the Donald's baseless blather about 'fake news' and remember THAT?

    Someone's buying vague baseless criticisms at far above intrinsic value.

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  • From Phil Allison@21:1/5 to All on Fri Apr 8 17:12:33 2022
    Witless MORON whit3rd wrote:
    =========================


    .... as long as multiple news organizations are reporting, no blatant untruth goes uncorrected

    ** What utter, childish nonsense.

    You have to know the truth to even suspect that it is simply NOT being reported.
    ==================================================================


    The problem I have with (for example) Trump is that he's weak:

    ** That is a bizarre remark.

    Trump is famous for calling out US news services with the complaint they publish " fake news".
    Such a complaint from the US President is deeply insulting and worrying to these businesses, as their incomes depend on being believed.

    Yeah, and that's weak. It's logically weak, often baseless i.e. without foundation.

    ** FFS you retard - it is ABSOLUTE FACT.

    You haven't seen one news organization report a flaw in another's reportage?

    ** Never said that and it's not relevant.
    We all know YOU blindly trust one.
    The one the Dems control.



    ..... Phil

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  • From whit3rd@21:1/5 to palli...@gmail.com on Fri Apr 8 17:59:25 2022
    On Friday, April 8, 2022 at 5:12:37 PM UTC-7, palli...@gmail.com wrote:
    Witless MORON whit3rd wrote:
    =========================

    .... as long as multiple news organizations are reporting, no blatant untruth goes uncorrected

    ** What utter, childish nonsense.

    You haven't seen one news organization report a flaw in another's reportage?
    ** Never said that and it's not relevant.

    Oh yes, it certainly is relevant.

    We all know YOU blindly trust one.

    Who am I? Which one? Sounds like a blind stab-in-the-dark to me,
    not based on any factual reportage. That, IMHO, is what I call a weak claim. Anyone who clings to it as "fact" is attracted only by the flimsiest of forces, thus
    must be assumed to be weak.

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  • From Phil Allison@21:1/5 to All on Fri Apr 8 18:11:32 2022
    Witless MORON whit3rd wrote:
    =========================

    .... as long as multiple news organizations are reporting, no blatant untruth goes uncorrected

    ?
    ** What utter, childish nonsense.

    You haven't seen one news organization report a flaw in another's reportage?

    ** Never said that and it's not relevant.

    Oh yes, it certainly is relevant.

    ** ROTFL - saying nonsense over and over makes it true ?

    Wot a witless, bloody moron.

    We all know YOU blindly trust one.

    Who am I? Which one? Sounds like a blind stab-in-the-dark to me,
    not based on any factual reportage. That, IMHO, is what I call a weak claim. Anyone who clings to it as "fact" is attracted only by the flimsiest of forces, thus
    must be assumed to be weak.


    ** We all can see you're an glaring autistic retard.

    Fuck off and stop annoying us with your mental disability.



    ...... Phil

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  • From Anthony William Sloman@21:1/5 to palli...@gmail.com on Fri Apr 8 19:34:55 2022
    On Saturday, April 9, 2022 at 11:11:37 AM UTC+10, palli...@gmail.com wrote:
    Witless MORON whit3rd wrote:
    =========================

    .... as long as multiple news organizations are reporting, no blatant untruth goes uncorrected

    ?
    ** What utter, childish nonsense.

    You haven't seen one news organization report a flaw in another's reportage?

    ** Never said that and it's not relevant.

    Oh yes, it certainly is relevant.
    ** ROTFL - saying nonsense over and over makes it true?

    It clearly works on Phil.

    Wot a witless, bloody moron.

    Phil does say witlessly moronic things like that.

    We all know YOU blindly trust one.

    Who am I? Which one? Sounds like a blind stab-in-the-dark to me,
    not based on any factual reportage. That, IMHO, is what I call a weak claim.
    Anyone who clings to it as "fact" is attracted only by the flimsiest of forces, thus
    must be assumed to be weak.

    ** We all can see you're an glaring autistic retard.

    Phil sees everybody who disagrees with him as "autistic". It's not a popular term of abuse so we can deduce that Phil has been diagnosed as autistic, rejected the diagnosis as insulting. and expects the people he throws it at to feel as hurt as he did.
    People with autism often have problems with social communication and interaction and can produce inappropriate responses, as Phil frequently does.

    Fuck off and stop annoying us with your mental disability.

    Now if only we could get Phil to hear the same message ...

    --
    Bill Sloman, Sydney

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  • From Anthony William Sloman@21:1/5 to palli...@gmail.com on Fri Apr 8 19:25:40 2022
    On Saturday, April 9, 2022 at 9:47:39 AM UTC+10, palli...@gmail.com wrote:
    Witless Idiot whit3rd wrote:
    =======================

    .... as long as multiple news organizations are reporting, no blatant untruth goes uncorrected


    ** What utter, childish nonsense.
    You have to know the truth to even suspect that it is simply NOT being reported.

    And Phil relies on Murdoch's Sky/Fox News, which isn't big on truth.

    Commercial news services ( they all are) are in the entertainment business, reporters are positioned as stars in actual events constantly explaining them to naive and gullible viewers. Ratings are all that matter so stories must be entertaining, but
    not too confronting.

    That how the Murdoch media works.

    Staffers well know the political affiliations of bosses and comply automatically by self censoring.

    The ones that work for Rupert Murdoch do exhibit this with some enthusiasm, Thoise that didn't don't work for Murdoch any more.

    Newspapers used to be the most blatant examples but nowadays broadcast new services out compete them in every way.

    Some newspapers were famous for it. Rupert Murdoch is the most recent example of a breed that has been around for a while.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Randolph_Hearst

    is the classic example as memorialised in film "Citizen Kane". In the UK Lord Harmsworht was an another, and his Daily Mail still prints right-wing rubbish. Lord Beaverbrook also comes to mind.

    There are newspapers with a different ethic. The Manchester Guardian was owned by the Scott family who do seem to have included some idealists, and the modern Guardian is now owned by the Scott Family Trust which is committed to objective journalism.

    Take the reporting for what it's worth. Use it to make your own opinions.

    ** Recipe for being hoodwinked at every step.

    If you are as dumb and gullible as Phil.

    The problem I have with (for example) Trump is that he's weak:

    ** That is a bizarre remark.

    Only if you believes Donald Trump's self-publicity. He thinks that he is a "stable genius" ...

    Trump is famous for calling out US news services with the complaint they publish " fake news".
    Such a complaint from the US President is deeply insulting and worrying to these businesses, as their incomes depend on being believed.

    But who takes Donald Trump seriously - apart from John Doe and John Larkin ...

    Most journalists would be out of work if Trump's complaint were widely accepted as true.

    And the sky were full of flying pigs.

    He refused to play their corrupt game so they had to get rid of him - ASAP and by any and all means.

    Trump wanted them to play his corrupt game. When Trump tried that on Zelensky in the Ukraine, Trump ended up getting impeached (though his Republicans refused to look at the evidence and rejected the case ).

    Of course that aim coincided with the similar aim of the Democratic party.

    That is what the Murdoch-owned media has been telling Phil for a few years now, and he is gullible enough to believe them. There is an objective reality out there, and the Democratic Party has a better grasp of it than the US Republicans - which is
    pretty faint praise. Few politicians have a firm enough grasp of reality to believe in anything particularly inconvenient.

    --
    Bill Sloman, Sydney

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  • From whit3rd@21:1/5 to palli...@gmail.com on Fri Apr 8 23:46:17 2022
    On Friday, April 8, 2022 at 6:11:37 PM UTC-7, palli...@gmail.com wrote:
    whit3rd wrote:

    .... as long as multiple news organizations are reporting, no blatant untruth goes uncorrected

    ?
    ** What utter, childish nonsense.

    You haven't seen one news organization report a flaw in another's reportage?

    ** Never said that and it's not relevant.

    Oh yes, it certainly is relevant.
    ** ROTFL - saying nonsense over and over makes it true ?

    Read it again. You didn't clip out enough of the chain of argument, to hide the
    fact of 'report a flaw' being a relevant evidence of 'no blatant untruth goes uncorrected'.

    Not nonsense at all, it's a reminder of observations that any adult should remember making.
    To make a claim unsupported by observations is a weak argument.

    The familiar 'Liar, liar, pants on fire' is likewise a weak argument. No pants afire noted,
    and repeating the word 'liar' is more infantile than incisive when considering the strength of
    the statement. ROTFL is similarly irrelevant, and somewhat silly.

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  • From Phil Allison@21:1/5 to All on Sat Apr 9 00:16:22 2022
    Total Fuckwit whit3rd wrote:

    ========================


    .... as long as multiple news organizations are reporting, no blatant untruth goes uncorrected

    ** What utter, childish nonsense.

    You haven't seen one news organization report a flaw in another's reportage?

    ** Never said that and it's not relevant.

    Oh yes, it certainly is relevant.

    ** ROTFL - saying nonsense over and over makes it true ?

    Read it again.

    ** No way - your tripe makes me wanna puke.

    .... evidence of 'no blatant untruth goes uncorrected'.

    ** Fraid that claim is INSANE CRAP .

    We all can see you're an glaring autistic retard.
    Fuck off and stop annoying us with your mental disability. =============================================



    ..... Phil

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  • From Anthony William Sloman@21:1/5 to palli...@gmail.com on Sat Apr 9 01:25:05 2022
    On Saturday, April 9, 2022 at 5:16:26 PM UTC+10, palli...@gmail.com wrote:
    whit3rd wrote:

    <snip>

    .... as long as multiple news organizations are reporting, no blatant untruth goes uncorrected

    ** What utter, childish nonsense.

    You haven't seen one news organization report a flaw in another's reportage?

    ** Never said that and it's not relevant.

    Oh yes, it certainly is relevant.

    ** ROTFL - saying nonsense over and over makes it true ?

    Read it again.

    ** No way - your tripe makes me wanna puke.

    Phil has the same reaction as John Larkin to posts that reveal his deficiencies. So he keeps on posting tripe.

    .... evidence of 'no blatant untruth goes uncorrected'.

    ** Fraid that claim is INSANE CRAP .

    Phil may want to think that, but if wishes were horses, beggars would ride.

    We all can see you're an glaring autistic retard.

    Actually, nobody else can. He isn't.

    Fuck off and stop annoying us with your mental disability.

    It's Phil's mental disability that annoys most of us. Whit3rd is quite a bit brighter than Phil, and much less prone to bouts of incoherent rage. In fact I can't remember any.

    --
    Bill Sloman, Sydney

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    Total Fuckwit whit3rd wrote:

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    .... as long as multiple news organizations are reporting, no blatant untruth goes uncorrected

    ** What utter, childish nonsense.

    You haven't seen one news organization report a flaw in another's reportage?

    ** Never said that and it's not relevant.

    Oh yes, it certainly is relevant.

    ** ROTFL - saying nonsense over and over makes it true ?

    Read it again.

    ** No way - your tripe makes me wanna puke.

    .... evidence of 'no blatant untruth goes uncorrected'.

    ** Fraid that claim is INSANE CRAP .

    We all can see you're an glaring autistic retard.
    Fuck off and stop annoying us with your mental disability. =============================================



    ..... Phil








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  • From John Doe@21:1/5 to Anthony William Sloman on Sun Apr 10 05:35:53 2022
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    The 2 most active trolls in this group going at each other,
    both from AUSTRALIA...

    --
    Anthony William Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> wrote:

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    Subject: Re: The political leanings of news media organizations
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    On Saturday, April 9, 2022 at 5:16:26 PM UTC+10, palli...@gmail.com wrote:
    whit3rd wrote:

    <snip>

    .... as long as multiple news organizations are reporting, no blatant untruth goes uncorrected

    ** What utter, childish nonsense.

    You haven't seen one news organization report a flaw in another's reportage?

    ** Never said that and it's not relevant.

    Oh yes, it certainly is relevant.

    ** ROTFL - saying nonsense over and over makes it true ?

    Read it again.

    ** No way - your tripe makes me wanna puke.

    Phil has the same reaction as John Larkin to posts that reveal his deficiencies. So he keeps on posting tripe.

    .... evidence of 'no blatant untruth goes uncorrected'.

    ** Fraid that claim is INSANE CRAP .

    Phil may want to think that, but if wishes were horses, beggars would ride.

    We all can see you're an glaring autistic retard.

    Actually, nobody else can. He isn't.

    Fuck off and stop annoying us with your mental disability.

    It's Phil's mental disability that annoys most of us. Whit3rd is quite a bit brighter than Phil, and much less prone to bouts of incoherent rage. In fact I can't remember any.

    --
    Bill Sloman, Sydney


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  • From Anthony William Sloman@21:1/5 to John Doe on Sat Apr 9 22:45:52 2022
    On Sunday, April 10, 2022 at 3:34:50 PM UTC+10, John Doe wrote:--
    Phil Allison <palli...@gmail.com> wrote:
    Whit3rd wrote:
    .... as long as multiple news organizations are reporting, no blatant untruth goes uncorrected

    ** What utter, childish nonsense.

    You haven't seen one news organization report a flaw in another's reportage?

    ** Never said that and it's not relevant.

    Oh yes, it certainly is relevant.

    ** ROTFL - saying nonsense over and over makes it true ?

    Read it again.

    ** No way - your tripe makes me wanna puke.

    .... evidence of 'no blatant untruth goes uncorrected'.

    ** Fraid that claim is INSANE CRAP .

    We all can see you're an glaring autistic retard.
    Fuck off and stop annoying us with your mental disability.

    The 2 most active trolls in this group going at each other both from AUSTRALIA...

    In this case John Doe tagged his line onto the wrong post. Phil was going after Whit3rd, who isn't any kind of troll, and doesn't seem to be from Australia.

    John Doe is remarkably dim.

    --
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  • From Anthony William Sloman@21:1/5 to John Doe on Sat Apr 9 22:58:06 2022
    On Sunday, April 10, 2022 at 3:36:00 PM UTC+10, John Doe wrote:
    Anthony William Sloman <bill....@ieee.org> wrote:
    On Saturday, April 9, 2022 at 5:16:26 PM UTC+10, palli...@gmail.com wrote:
    whit3rd wrote:

    <snip>

    .... as long as multiple news organizations are reporting, no blatant untruth goes uncorrected

    ** What utter, childish nonsense.

    You haven't seen one news organization report a flaw in another's reportage?

    ** Never said that and it's not relevant.

    Oh yes, it certainly is relevant.

    ** ROTFL - saying nonsense over and over makes it true ?

    Read it again.

    ** No way - your tripe makes me wanna puke.

    Phil has the same reaction as John Larkin to posts that reveal his deficiencies. So he keeps on posting tripe.

    .... evidence of 'no blatant untruth goes uncorrected'.

    ** Fraid that claim is INSANE CRAP .

    Phil may want to think that, but if wishes were horses, beggars would ride.

    We all can see you're an glaring autistic retard.

    Actually, nobody else can. He isn't.

    Fuck off and stop annoying us with your mental disability.

    It's Phil's mental disability that annoys most of us. Whit3rd is quite a bit brighter than Phil, and much less prone to bouts of incoherent rage. In fact I can't remember any.

    The 2 most active trolls in this group going at each other, both from AUSTRALIA...

    John Doe gets it closer to correct at his second attempt. Of course I'm not a troll, and while Phil may exhibit troll-like behavior from time to time, he's not in the John Doe and Flyguy league.

    And while I might be seen as going after Phil, Phil hasn't yet got around to going after me, at least not in this thread, yet. And pointing that Phil seems to have got stuff wrong isn't actually going after him. though he won't be flattered by some of
    the observations. I see it as more correction than abuse. Phil is "volatile"and probably won't.

    --
    Bill Sloman, Sydney

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  • From Edward Hernandez@21:1/5 to All on Sun Apr 10 06:15:39 2022
    XPost: free.spam

    The John Doe troll stated the following in message-id <sdhn7c$pkp$4@dont-email.me>:

    The troll doesn't even know how to format a USENET post...

    And the John Doe troll stated the following in message-id <sg3kr7$qt5$1@dont-email.me>:

    The reason Bozo cannot figure out how to get Google to keep from
    breaking its lines in inappropriate places is because Bozo is
    CLUELESS...

    And yet, the clueless John Doe troll has itself posted yet another
    incorrectly formatted USENET posting on Sun, 10 Apr 2022 05:34:44 -0000
    (UTC) in message-id <t2tq9k$d1p$2@dont-email.me>.

    Further, John Doe stated the following in message-id <svsh05$lbh$5@dont-email.me> posted Fri, 4 Mar 2022 08:01:09 -0000
    (UTC):

    Compared to other regulars, Bozo contributes practically nothing
    except insults to this group.

    Yet, since Wed, 5 Jan 2022 04:10:38 -0000 (UTC) John Doe's post ratio to
    USENET has been 56.7% of its posts contributing "nothing except insults"
    to USENET.

    Rw9TP0B6cEfQ

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  • From bitrex@21:1/5 to Phil Allison on Sun Apr 10 10:05:02 2022
    On 4/8/2022 7:47 PM, Phil Allison wrote:

    ** That is a bizarre remark.

    Trump is famous for calling out US news services with the complaint they publish " fake news".
    Such a complaint from the US President is deeply insulting and worrying to these businesses, as their incomes depend on being believed.
    Most journalists would be out of work if Trump's complaint was widely accepted as true.

    He refused to play their corrupt game so they had to get rid of him - ASAP and by any and all means.
    Of course that aim coincided with the similar aim of the Dem party.

    The need of many Americans to be taken for a ride by a carnival-barker
    who operates outside the usual power structures, rather than within
    them, runs deep

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  • From John Doe@21:1/5 to Edward Hernandez on Sun Apr 10 16:59:43 2022
    XPost: free.spam

    Poor liddle Eddie got spanked and just can't get over it.

    Unless Eddie is nym-shifting, it has never posted anything NORMAL
    except when it got a severe spanking...

    https://groups.google.com/g/sci.electronics.repair/c/MesPLcGU4BE

    Is the stalker a nym-shifting troll, or a newbie netcop wannabe?

    See also...
    Peter Weiner <dtgamer99@gmail.com>
    Edward H. <dtgamer99@gmail.com>
    Edward Hernandez <dtgamer99@gmail.com>

    Eddie is an example for all newbies. Don't get spanked!

    Spanked Eddie...

    --
    Edward Hernandez <dtgamer99@gmail.com> wrote:

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    Subject: Re: The political leanings of news media organizations
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    The John Doe troll stated the following in message-id <sdhn7c$pkp$4@dont-email.me>:

    The troll doesn't even know how to format a USENET post...

    And the John Doe troll stated the following in message-id <sg3kr7$qt5$1@dont-email.me>:

    The reason Bozo cannot figure out how to get Google to keep from
    breaking its lines in inappropriate places is because Bozo is
    CLUELESS...

    And yet, the clueless John Doe troll has itself posted yet another incorrectly formatted USENET posting on Sun, 10 Apr 2022 05:34:44 -0000
    (UTC) in message-id <t2tq9k$d1p$2@dont-email.me>.

    Further, John Doe stated the following in message-id <svsh05$lbh$5@dont-email.me> posted Fri, 4 Mar 2022 08:01:09 -0000
    (UTC):

    Compared to other regulars, Bozo contributes practically nothing
    except insults to this group.

    Yet, since Wed, 5 Jan 2022 04:10:38 -0000 (UTC) John Doe's post ratio to USENET has been 56.7% of its posts contributing "nothing except insults"
    to USENET.

    Rw9TP0B6cEfQ




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  • From John Doe@21:1/5 to bitrex on Sun Apr 10 17:01:27 2022
    bitrex wrote:

    The need of many Americans to be taken for a ride by a carnival-barker
    who operates outside the usual power structures, rather than within
    them, runs deep

    Sounds like a love-hate relationship.
    BTW... You forgot "racist".

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  • From Edward Hernandez@21:1/5 to All on Sun Apr 10 17:27:46 2022
    XPost: free.spam

    The John Doe troll stated the following in message-id <sdhn7c$pkp$4@dont-email.me>:

    The troll doesn't even know how to format a USENET post...

    And the John Doe troll stated the following in message-id <sg3kr7$qt5$1@dont-email.me>:

    The reason Bozo cannot figure out how to get Google to keep from
    breaking its lines in inappropriate places is because Bozo is
    CLUELESS...

    And yet, the clueless John Doe troll has itself posted yet another
    incorrectly formatted USENET posting on Sun, 10 Apr 2022 16:59:32 -0000
    (UTC) in message-id <t2v2dk$b45$1@dont-email.me>.

    Further, Troll Doe stated the following in message-id <svsh05$lbh$5@dont-email.me> posted Fri, 4 Mar 2022 08:01:09 -0000
    (UTC):

    Compared to other regulars, Bozo contributes practically nothing
    except insults to this group.

    Yet, since Wed, 5 Jan 2022 04:10:38 -0000 (UTC) Troll Doe's post ratio
    to USENET has been 56.7% of its posts contributing "nothing except
    insults" to USENET.

    KSGSeWjPacTv

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  • From Jim Jackson@21:1/5 to bitrex on Sun Apr 10 21:38:46 2022
    On 2022-04-10, bitrex <user@example.net> wrote:
    On 4/8/2022 7:47 PM, Phil Allison wrote:

    ** That is a bizarre remark.

    Trump is famous for calling out US news services with the complaint they publish " fake news".
    Such a complaint from the US President is deeply insulting and worrying to these businesses, as their incomes depend on being believed.
    Most journalists would be out of work if Trump's complaint was widely accepted as true.

    He refused to play their corrupt game so they had to get rid of him - ASAP and by any and all means.
    Of course that aim coincided with the similar aim of the Dem party.

    The need of many Americans to be taken for a ride by a carnival-barker
    who operates outside the usual power structures, rather than within
    them, runs deep


    Not just americans!!!!

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  • From John Doe@21:1/5 to Jim Jackson on Sun Apr 10 21:50:28 2022
    Jim Jackson wrote:

    bitrex wrote:
    Phil Allison wrote:

    Trump is famous for calling out US news services with the complaint
    they publish " fake news". Such a complaint from the US President is
    deeply insulting and worrying to these businesses, as their incomes
    depend on being believed. Most journalists would be out of work if
    Trump's complaint was widely accepted as true.

    He refused to play their corrupt game so they had to get rid of him -
    ASAP and by any and all means. Of course that aim coincided with the
    similar aim of the Dem party.

    The need of many Americans to be taken for a ride by a carnival-barker
    who operates outside the usual power structures, rather than within
    them, runs deep

    Not just americans!!!!

    You can say that again. The poster doesn't freely admit what country it is
    from when it bashes Americans, for good reason. Little guys LOVE to pick on
    big guys.

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  • From Flyguy@21:1/5 to Edward Hernandez on Mon Apr 11 21:43:57 2022
    On Sunday, April 10, 2022 at 10:27:55 AM UTC-7, Edward Hernandez wrote:
    The John Doe troll stated the following in message-id <sdhn7c$pkp$4...@dont-email.me>:

    The troll doesn't even know how to format a USENET post...

    And the John Doe troll stated the following in message-id <sg3kr7$qt5$1...@dont-email.me>:

    The reason Bozo cannot figure out how to get Google to keep from
    breaking its lines in inappropriate places is because Bozo is
    CLUELESS...
    And yet, the clueless John Doe troll has continued to post incorrectly formatted USENET articles that are devoid of content (latest example on
    Sun, 10 Apr 2022 16:59:43 -0000 (UTC) in message-id <t2v2dv$b45$2...@dont-email.me>).
    NOBODY likes the John Doe troll's contentless spam.
    Further, Troll Doe stated the following in message-id <svsh05$lbh$5...@dont-email.me> posted Fri, 4 Mar 2022 08:01:09 -0000
    (UTC):

    Compared to other regulars, Bozo contributes practically nothing
    except insults to this group.
    Yet, since Wed, 5 Jan 2022 04:10:38 -0000 (UTC) Troll Doe's post ratio
    to USENET has been 56.7% of its posts contributing "nothing except
    insults" to USENET.
    This posting is a public service announcement for any google groups
    readers who happen by to point out that the John Doe troll does not even follow the rules it uses to troll other posters.
    lQBSJzd5+7JM

    Hey Eddie, you are BORING and REPETITIVE - go AWAY!

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  • From Anthony William Sloman@21:1/5 to Flyguy on Tue Apr 12 03:53:55 2022
    On Tuesday, April 12, 2022 at 2:44:01 PM UTC+10, Flyguy wrote:
    On Sunday, April 10, 2022 at 10:27:55 AM UTC-7, Edward Hernandez wrote:
    The John Doe troll stated the following in message-id <sdhn7c$pkp$4...@dont-email.me>:

    Hey Eddie, you are BORING and REPETITIVE - go AWAY!

    So are John Doe and Flyguy. Eddie just reacts to John Doe's tedious nonsense, while you and John Doe post your own.

    --
    Bill Sloman, Sydney

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  • From John Doe@21:1/5 to Flyguy on Wed Apr 13 05:20:02 2022
    Flyguy wrote:

    Hey Eddie, you are BORING and REPETITIVE - go AWAY!

    Like Bozo, it cannot be reasoned with because it has no love for USENET.

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  • From Anthony William Sloman@21:1/5 to John Doe on Wed Apr 13 00:07:18 2022
    On Wednesday, April 13, 2022 at 3:20:09 PM UTC+10, John Doe wrote:
    Flyguy wrote:

    Hey Eddie, you are BORING and REPETITIVE - go AWAY!

    Like Bill, it cannot be reasoned with because it has no love for USENET.

    I wonder what John Doe understands by "reasoning". It's not something he has ever tried here - or at least not anything that looks like it to me.

    And his idea of "loving the Usenet" is equally strange. He exploits it to post his useless nonsense - which looks a lot more like rape than any kind of affection.

    I've been posting on sci.electronics.design for about 20 years now which means that I've got a persistent relationship with it, though "love" is probably a stronger word than I'd used.

    I do feel motivated to defend it against creeps like John Doe and Flyguy, not that I've yet found any any effective means of defense. Rudeness clearly doesn't hack it.

    --
    Bill Sloman, Sydney

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  • From John Doe@21:1/5 to All on Wed Apr 13 14:43:18 2022
    Bozo is the most energetic troll in this group.


    Bozo Bill Sloman, the most frequent troll in this group, is an attention-craving chronic liar who cannot be reasoned with...

    "the Mueller investigation was about Trump only because Trump made it so"
    (Bozo paraphrased)

    "the concepts "male" and "female" are essentially social constructions"
    (Bill Sloman)

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  • From Anthony William Sloman@21:1/5 to John Doe on Wed Apr 13 08:12:37 2022
    On Thursday, April 14, 2022 at 12:43:25 AM UTC+10, John Doe wrote:
    Bill is the most energetic troll in this group.

    <snip>

    John Doe doesn't pay enough attention to his own claim to that title. I probably don't even qualify as a troll, while John Doe's posted content is pretty much all trolling.
    Flyguy is in the same league. Commander Kinsey is another candidate. All John Doe is saying - demonstrating may be a better word for it - is that he posts mindless abuse, and he isn't worried by the fact that it is obviously mindless. He doesn't seem to
    have a enough of a mind to realise it. let alone get worried about it.

    --
    Bill Sloman, Sydney

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  • From Bertrand Sindri@21:1/5 to Anthony William Sloman on Wed Apr 13 15:33:16 2022
    Anthony William Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> wrote:
    On Thursday, April 14, 2022 at 12:43:25 AM UTC+10, John Doe wrote:
    Bill is the most energetic troll in this group.

    <snip>

    John Doe doesn't pay enough attention to his own claim to that title.
    I probably don't even qualify as a troll, while John Doe's posted
    content is pretty much all trolling. Flyguy is in the same league.
    Commander Kinsey is another candidate. All John Doe is saying - demonstrating may be a better word for it - is that he posts mindless
    abuse, and he isn't worried by the fact that it is obviously
    mindless. He doesn't seem to have a enough of a mind to realise it.
    let alone get worried about it.

    From the latest Edward response to John Doe, John Doe's troll and
    insult percentage is 56.7%. Over half of what Doe posts is either a
    troll or an insult.

    So Doe does get some claim to the title "most energetic troll". It
    will clearly get claim to the title "most mindless troll".

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  • From jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com@21:1/5 to bertrand.sindri@yahoo.com on Wed Apr 13 08:50:43 2022
    On Wed, 13 Apr 2022 15:33:16 -0000 (UTC), Bertrand Sindri <bertrand.sindri@yahoo.com> wrote:

    Anthony William Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> wrote:
    On Thursday, April 14, 2022 at 12:43:25 AM UTC+10, John Doe wrote:
    Bill is the most energetic troll in this group.

    <snip>

    John Doe doesn't pay enough attention to his own claim to that title.
    I probably don't even qualify as a troll, while John Doe's posted
    content is pretty much all trolling. Flyguy is in the same league.
    Commander Kinsey is another candidate. All John Doe is saying -
    demonstrating may be a better word for it - is that he posts mindless
    abuse, and he isn't worried by the fact that it is obviously
    mindless. He doesn't seem to have a enough of a mind to realise it.
    let alone get worried about it.

    From the latest Edward response to John Doe, John Doe's troll and
    insult percentage is 56.7%. Over half of what Doe posts is either a
    troll or an insult.

    Sloman is in the very high 90's.



    So Doe does get some claim to the title "most energetic troll". It
    will clearly get claim to the title "most mindless troll".


    --

    I yam what I yam - Popeye

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  • From John Doe@21:1/5 to Bertrand Sindri on Wed Apr 13 15:59:47 2022
    XPost: free.spam

    Nym-shifting troll, first post EVER to this group under this name or ID...

    --
    Bertrand Sindri <bertrand.sindri@yahoo.com> wrote:

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    From: Bertrand Sindri <bertrand.sindri@yahoo.com>
    Newsgroups: sci.electronics.design
    Subject: Re: The political leanings of news media organizations
    Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2022 15:33:16 -0000 (UTC)
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    Anthony William Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> wrote:
    On Thursday, April 14, 2022 at 12:43:25 AM UTC+10, John Doe wrote:
    Bill is the most energetic troll in this group.

    <snip>

    John Doe doesn't pay enough attention to his own claim to that title.
    I probably don't even qualify as a troll, while John Doe's posted
    content is pretty much all trolling. Flyguy is in the same league.
    Commander Kinsey is another candidate. All John Doe is saying -
    demonstrating may be a better word for it - is that he posts mindless
    abuse, and he isn't worried by the fact that it is obviously
    mindless. He doesn't seem to have a enough of a mind to realise it.
    let alone get worried about it.

    From the latest Edward response to John Doe, John Doe's troll and
    insult percentage is 56.7%. Over half of what Doe posts is either a
    troll or an insult.

    So Doe does get some claim to the title "most energetic troll". It
    will clearly get claim to the title "most mindless troll".




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  • From Edward Hernandez@21:1/5 to All on Wed Apr 13 16:08:58 2022
    XPost: free.spam

    The John Doe troll stated the following in message-id <sdhn7c$pkp$4@dont-email.me>:

    The troll doesn't even know how to format a USENET post...

    And the John Doe troll stated the following in message-id <sg3kr7$qt5$1@dont-email.me>:

    The reason Bozo cannot figure out how to get Google to keep from
    breaking its lines in inappropriate places is because Bozo is
    CLUELESS...

    And yet, the clueless John Doe troll has continued to post incorrectly formatted USENET articles that are devoid of content (latest example on
    Wed, 13 Apr 2022 15:59:47 -0000 (UTC) in message-id <t36s1j$cu3$3@dont-email.me>).

    NOBODY likes the John Doe troll's contentless spam.

    Further, John Doe stated the following in message-id <svsh05$lbh$5@dont-email.me> posted Fri, 4 Mar 2022 08:01:09 -0000
    (UTC):

    Compared to other regulars, Bozo contributes practically nothing
    except insults to this group.

    Yet, since Wed, 5 Jan 2022 04:10:38 -0000 (UTC) John Doe's post ratio to
    USENET has been 56.3% of its posts contributing "nothing except insults"
    to USENET.

    This posting is a public service announcement for any google groups
    readers who happen by to point out that the John Doe troll does not even
    follow the rules it uses to troll other posters.

    FqKhmlukJ5Qk

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  • From Edward Hernandez@21:1/5 to All on Wed Apr 13 16:47:36 2022
    XPost: free.spam

    The John Doe troll stated the following in message-id <sdhn7c$pkp$4@dont-email.me>:

    The troll doesn't even know how to format a USENET post...

    And the John Doe troll stated the following in message-id <sg3kr7$qt5$1@dont-email.me>:

    The reason Bozo cannot figure out how to get Google to keep from
    breaking its lines in inappropriate places is because Bozo is
    CLUELESS...

    And yet, the clueless John Doe troll has itself posted yet another
    incorrectly formatted USENET posting on Wed, 13 Apr 2022 16:35:54 -0000
    (UTC) in message-id <t36u59$5ll$1@dont-email.me>.

    Further, Troll Doe stated the following in message-id <svsh05$lbh$5@dont-email.me> posted Fri, 4 Mar 2022 08:01:09 -0000
    (UTC):

    Compared to other regulars, Bozo contributes practically nothing
    except insults to this group.

    Yet, since Wed, 5 Jan 2022 04:10:38 -0000 (UTC) Troll Doe's post ratio
    to USENET has been 56.5% of its posts contributing "nothing except
    insults" to USENET.

    CnPrNfb/IqVm

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  • From Anthony William Sloman@21:1/5 to John Doe on Wed Apr 13 09:49:48 2022
    On Thursday, April 14, 2022 at 1:59:54 AM UTC+10, John Doe wrote:
    Bertrand Sindri <bertran...@yahoo.com> wrote:
    Anthony William Sloman <bill....@ieee.org> wrote:
    On Thursday, April 14, 2022 at 12:43:25 AM UTC+10, John Doe wrote:
    Bill is the most energetic troll in this group.

    <snip>

    John Doe doesn't pay enough attention to his own claim to that title.
    I probably don't even qualify as a troll, while John Doe's posted
    content is pretty much all trolling. Flyguy is in the same league.
    Commander Kinsey is another candidate. All John Doe is saying -
    demonstrating may be a better word for it - is that he posts mindless
    abuse, and he isn't worried by the fact that it is obviously
    mindless. He doesn't seem to have a enough of a mind to realise it.
    let alone get worried about it.

    From the latest Edward response to John Doe, John Doe's troll and
    insult percentage is 56.7%. Over half of what Doe posts is either a
    troll or an insult.

    We don't know where Edward gets his statistics from. "56.7%" is a very precise figure, and a lot of them are made up.

    So Doe does get some claim to the title "most energetic troll". It will clearly get claim to the title "most mindless troll".

    Nym-shifting troll, first post EVER to this group under this name or ID...

    How does that make him a nym-shifting troll? John Doe doesn't know what evidence looks like.

    Bertrand Sindri did show up, under exactly the same name, on sci.electronics.repair on February 11, 2021, being critical of John Doe's bad habits, and suggesting that John Doe's habit of switching to top posting and throwing in a screenful of eternal
    september thread information was a sign that John Doe was posting in troll mode.

    It's a reasonable observation, and John Doe is clearly being disingenuous - if not to say lying - in this post.

    A bit more digging shows up Bertrand Sindri posting under the same name in other places. So not nym-shifting, and not looking much like a troll.

    --
    Bill Sloman, Sydney

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  • From John Doe@21:1/5 to Edward Hernandez on Wed Apr 13 16:35:54 2022
    XPost: free.spam

    Poor liddle Eddie got spanked and just can't get over it.

    Unless Eddie is nym-shifting, it has never posted anything NORMAL
    except when it got a severe spanking...

    https://groups.google.com/g/sci.electronics.repair/c/MesPLcGU4BE

    Is the stalker a nym-shifting troll, or a newbie netcop wannabe?

    See also...
    Peter Weiner <dtgamer99@gmail.com>
    Edward H. <dtgamer99@gmail.com>
    Edward Hernandez <dtgamer99@gmail.com>

    Eddie is an example for all newbies. Don't get spanked!

    Spanked Eddie...

    --
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    The John Doe troll stated the following in message-id <sdhn7c$pkp$4@dont-email.me>:

    The troll doesn't even know how to format a USENET post...

    And the John Doe troll stated the following in message-id <sg3kr7$qt5$1@dont-email.me>:

    The reason Bozo cannot figure out how to get Google to keep from
    breaking its lines in inappropriate places is because Bozo is
    CLUELESS...

    And yet, the clueless John Doe troll has continued to post incorrectly formatted USENET articles that are devoid of content (latest example on
    Wed, 13 Apr 2022 15:59:47 -0000 (UTC) in message-id <t36s1j$cu3$3@dont-email.me>).

    NOBODY likes the John Doe troll's contentless spam.

    Further, John Doe stated the following in message-id <svsh05$lbh$5@dont-email.me> posted Fri, 4 Mar 2022 08:01:09 -0000
    (UTC):

    Compared to other regulars, Bozo contributes practically nothing
    except insults to this group.

    Yet, since Wed, 5 Jan 2022 04:10:38 -0000 (UTC) John Doe's post ratio to USENET has been 56.3% of its posts contributing "nothing except insults"
    to USENET.

    This posting is a public service announcement for any google groups
    readers who happen by to point out that the John Doe troll does not even follow the rules it uses to troll other posters.

    FqKhmlukJ5Qk




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  • From Anthony William Sloman@21:1/5 to jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com on Wed Apr 13 09:19:40 2022
    On Thursday, April 14, 2022 at 1:50:55 AM UTC+10, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
    On Wed, 13 Apr 2022 15:33:16 -0000 (UTC), Bertrand Sindri <bertran...@yahoo.com> wrote:
    Anthony William Sloman <bill....@ieee.org> wrote:
    On Thursday, April 14, 2022 at 12:43:25 AM UTC+10, John Doe wrote:
    Bill is the most energetic troll in this group.

    <snip>

    John Doe doesn't pay enough attention to his own claim to that title.
    I probably don't even qualify as a troll, while John Doe's posted
    content is pretty much all trolling. Flyguy is in the same league.
    Commander Kinsey is another candidate. All John Doe is saying -
    demonstrating may be a better word for it - is that he posts mindless
    abuse, and he isn't worried by the fact that it is obviously
    mindless. He doesn't seem to have a enough of a mind to realise it.
    let alone get worried about it.

    From the latest Edward response to John Doe, John Doe's troll and
    insult percentage is 56.7%. Over half of what Doe posts is either a
    troll or an insult.

    Sloman is in the very high 90's.

    John Larkin doesn't read my posts - or so he claims - so one has to wonder how he found this out. It's not my impression of what I post, but I am used to robust discussion.

    John Larkin does seem to expect to be flattered whenever he is mentioned, and he may find the absence of that flattery insulting. Other people might be less worried by it.

    So Doe does get some claim to the title "most energetic troll". It will clearly get claim to the title "most mindless troll".

    John Larkin's posts here about climate change are all straight climate change denial propaganda. This may be spamming - rather than trolling - but it does insult the intelligence of this group.

    --
    Bill Sloman, Sydney

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  • From John Doe@21:1/5 to All on Wed Apr 13 17:29:22 2022
    "it has posted under the same name in other places, so not nym-shifting"

    Another example of Bozo being Bozo!

    The cannibal left utterly suck at logic.

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  • From whit3rd@21:1/5 to jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com on Wed Apr 13 16:43:34 2022
    On Wednesday, April 13, 2022 at 8:50:55 AM UTC-7, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
    On Wed, 13 Apr 2022 15:33:16 -0000 (UTC), Bertrand Sindri <bertran...@yahoo.com> wrote:

    From the latest Edward response to John Doe, John Doe's troll and
    insult percentage is 56.7%. Over half of what Doe posts is either a
    troll or an insult.
    Sloman is in the very high 90's.

    Says the guy who thinks every statistic is a lie, and computes statistics on that basis.

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  • From John Doe@21:1/5 to whit3rd@gmail.com on Thu Apr 14 00:43:54 2022
    whit3rd <whit3rd@gmail.com> wrote:

    jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
    Bertrand Sindri wrote:

    From the latest Edward response to John Doe, John Doe's troll and
    insult percentage is 56.7%. Over half of what Doe posts is either a
    troll or an insult.

    Sloman is in the very high 90's.

    Says the guy who thinks every statistic is a lie, and computes statistics
    on that basis.

    John Larkin is the biggest engineer in this group. Bigger than Bob Pease
    was... Not really, but way bigger than "whit3rd".

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  • From jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com@21:1/5 to All on Wed Apr 13 17:49:30 2022
    On Wed, 13 Apr 2022 16:43:34 -0700 (PDT), whit3rd <whit3rd@gmail.com>
    wrote:

    On Wednesday, April 13, 2022 at 8:50:55 AM UTC-7, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
    On Wed, 13 Apr 2022 15:33:16 -0000 (UTC), Bertrand Sindri
    <bertran...@yahoo.com> wrote:

    From the latest Edward response to John Doe, John Doe's troll and
    insult percentage is 56.7%. Over half of what Doe posts is either a
    troll or an insult.
    Sloman is in the very high 90's.

    Says the guy who thinks every statistic is a lie, and computes statistics on that basis.

    What is your problem? Are you this obnoxious in real life? Probably
    so.





    --

    I yam what I yam - Popeye

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  • From whit3rd@21:1/5 to jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com on Wed Apr 13 18:28:48 2022
    On Wednesday, April 13, 2022 at 5:49:42 PM UTC-7, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
    On Wed, 13 Apr 2022 16:43:34 -0700 (PDT), whit3rd <whi...@gmail.com>
    wrote:
    On Wednesday, April 13, 2022 at 8:50:55 AM UTC-7, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
    On Wed, 13 Apr 2022 15:33:16 -0000 (UTC), Bertrand Sindri
    <bertran...@yahoo.com> wrote:

    ... Over half of what Doe posts is either a
    troll or an insult.
    Sloman is in the very high 90's.

    Says the guy who thinks every statistic is a lie, and computes statistics on that basis.
    What is your problem? Are you this obnoxious in real life? Probably
    so.

    Probability means you just made a statistical claim. I'm arguably correct, but that's not the same as being obnoxious.

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  • From Anthony William Sloman@21:1/5 to John Doe on Wed Apr 13 19:35:54 2022
    On Thursday, April 14, 2022 at 3:29:29 AM UTC+10, John Doe wrote:
    "it has posted under the same name in other places, so not nym-shifting"

    Another example of Bill being Bill!

    The cannibal left utterly suck at logic.

    I'm not a member of the cannibal left - which exists only in John Doe's diseased imagination.

    In order to prove that Bertrand Sindri went in for nym-shifting, John Doe would have to have identified as case where the same poster had posted under another nym.

    He hasn't even gone to the trouble of identifying some other name that the poster might have used so his claim that Bertrand Sindri goes in for nym-shifting is a totally unsupported assertion.

    That's what logic looks like. John Doe doesn't produce anything that even looks even vaguely like logic.

    --
    Bill Sloman, Sydney

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  • From Anthony William Sloman@21:1/5 to All on Wed Apr 13 19:53:32 2022
    On Thursday, April 14, 2022 at 11:28:52 AM UTC+10, whit3rd wrote:
    On Wednesday, April 13, 2022 at 5:49:42 PM UTC-7, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
    On Wed, 13 Apr 2022 16:43:34 -0700 (PDT), whit3rd <whi...@gmail.com>
    wrote:
    On Wednesday, April 13, 2022 at 8:50:55 AM UTC-7, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
    On Wed, 13 Apr 2022 15:33:16 -0000 (UTC), Bertrand Sindri
    <bertran...@yahoo.com> wrote:

    ... Over half of what Doe posts is either a
    troll or an insult.
    Sloman is in the very high 90's.

    Says the guy who thinks every statistic is a lie, and computes statistics on that basis.

    What is your problem? Are you this obnoxious in real life? Probably so.

    Probability means you just made a statistical claim. I'm arguably correct, but that's not the same as being obnoxious.

    John Larkin's reaction to not being given the flattery he feels he deserves does demonstrate that he finds non-sycophantic behavior obnoxious.

    Dante found sycophants particularly obnoxious - he placed them in the eighth circle of hell along with a bunch of other frauds.

    https://www.psychologytoday.com/au/blog/sucking/201710/dantes-damned-flatterers

    The fact that they have encouraged John Larkin to make this kind of obnoxious assertion illustrates the kind of damage they do.

    --
    Bill Sloman, Sydney

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  • From Anthony William Sloman@21:1/5 to jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com on Wed Apr 13 19:42:54 2022
    On Thursday, April 14, 2022 at 10:49:42 AM UTC+10, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
    On Wed, 13 Apr 2022 16:43:34 -0700 (PDT), whit3rd <whi...@gmail.com>
    wrote:
    On Wednesday, April 13, 2022 at 8:50:55 AM UTC-7, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
    On Wed, 13 Apr 2022 15:33:16 -0000 (UTC), Bertrand Sindri
    <bertran...@yahoo.com> wrote:

    From the latest Edward response to John Doe, John Doe's troll and
    insult percentage is 56.7%. Over half of what Doe posts is either a
    troll or an insult.

    Sloman is in the very high 90's.

    Says the guy who thinks every statistic is a lie, and computes statistics on that basis.

    What is your problem?

    John Larkin has produced what looks very like a bogus statistic. That's not something that he should be able to get away with.

    Are you this obnoxious in real life? Probably so.

    One would hope so. John Larkin does seem to get a lot of flattery in real life - if we are to judge from his reactions to unflattering responses here - but sycophants are menace . Putin seems to have rather more of them than has been good for the Ukraine,
    and it has left a lot of Russian soldiers dead and injured.

    --
    Bill Sloman, Sydney

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  • From Flyguy@21:1/5 to bill....@ieee.org on Thu Apr 14 11:58:19 2022
    On Wednesday, April 13, 2022 at 9:19:44 AM UTC-7, bill....@ieee.org wrote:
    On Thursday, April 14, 2022 at 1:50:55 AM UTC+10, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
    On Wed, 13 Apr 2022 15:33:16 -0000 (UTC), Bertrand Sindri <bertran...@yahoo.com> wrote:
    Anthony William Sloman <bill....@ieee.org> wrote:
    On Thursday, April 14, 2022 at 12:43:25 AM UTC+10, John Doe wrote:
    Bill is the most energetic troll in this group.

    <snip>

    John Doe doesn't pay enough attention to his own claim to that title.
    I probably don't even qualify as a troll, while John Doe's posted
    content is pretty much all trolling. Flyguy is in the same league.
    Commander Kinsey is another candidate. All John Doe is saying -
    demonstrating may be a better word for it - is that he posts mindless
    abuse, and he isn't worried by the fact that it is obviously
    mindless. He doesn't seem to have a enough of a mind to realise it.
    let alone get worried about it.

    From the latest Edward response to John Doe, John Doe's troll and
    insult percentage is 56.7%. Over half of what Doe posts is either a
    troll or an insult.

    Sloman is in the very high 90's.
    John Larkin doesn't read my posts - or so he claims - so one has to wonder how he found this out. It's not my impression of what I post, but I am used to robust discussion.

    John Larkin does seem to expect to be flattered whenever he is mentioned, and he may find the absence of that flattery insulting. Other people might be less worried by it.
    So Doe does get some claim to the title "most energetic troll". It will clearly get claim to the title "most mindless troll".
    John Larkin's posts here about climate change are all straight climate change denial propaganda. This may be spamming - rather than trolling - but it does insult the intelligence of this group.

    --
    SNIPPERMAN, Sydney

    Hey SNIPPERMAN, why read your posts? They are FULL of lies, mistruths and deceptions. Plus, they are downright STUPID.

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  • From whit3rd@21:1/5 to Flyguy on Thu Apr 14 13:58:12 2022
    On Thursday, April 14, 2022 at 11:58:23 AM UTC-7, Flyguy wrote:

    Hey SNIPPERMAN, why read your posts? They are FULL of lies, mistruths and deceptions. Plus, they are downright STUPID.

    Sometimes, stupor is in the mind of the reader.
    Good reading skills require context, reading beginning-to-end is a useful exercise;
    flyguy could use the exercise, but prefers to skip that part and go straight
    to the vague analysis-adjacent comment 'full of lies, mistruths and deceptions'.

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  • From Anthony William Sloman@21:1/5 to Flyguy on Fri Apr 15 19:12:04 2022
    On Saturday, April 16, 2022 at 11:33:58 AM UTC+10, Flyguy wrote:
    On Thursday, April 14, 2022 at 1:58:16 PM UTC-7, whit3rd wrote:
    On Thursday, April 14, 2022 at 11:58:23 AM UTC-7, Flyguy wrote:

    Hey SNIPPERMAN, why read your posts? They are FULL of lies, mistruths and deceptions. Plus, they are downright STUPID.

    Sometimes, stupor is in the mind of the reader.
    Good reading skills require context, reading beginning-to-end is a useful exercise;
    flyguy could use the exercise, but prefers to skip that part and go straight
    to the vague analysis-adjacent comment 'full of lies, mistruths and deceptions'.

    That was actually very specific.

    Flyguy may think so. It was an assertion about all my posts, and to that extent specific. But I do post on a variety of topics, a number of them involving electronics, which Flyguy knows nothing about and doesn't find interesting enough to read, let
    alone respond to. That does make his claim a vague genenralisation about stuff he knows nothing about, which pretty much covers most of his output anyway.

    --
    Bill Sloman, Sydney

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  • From Flyguy@21:1/5 to All on Fri Apr 15 18:33:55 2022
    On Thursday, April 14, 2022 at 1:58:16 PM UTC-7, whit3rd wrote:
    On Thursday, April 14, 2022 at 11:58:23 AM UTC-7, Flyguy wrote:

    Hey SNIPPERMAN, why read your posts? They are FULL of lies, mistruths and deceptions. Plus, they are downright STUPID.
    Sometimes, stupor is in the mind of the reader.
    Good reading skills require context, reading beginning-to-end is a useful exercise;
    flyguy could use the exercise, but prefers to skip that part and go straight to the vague analysis-adjacent comment 'full of lies, mistruths and deceptions'.

    That was actually very specific.

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