• Component shortages

    From Sylvia Else@21:1/5 to All on Mon Mar 28 13:48:57 2022
    I just build stuff for use in my home. Even so, I'm frustrated at the
    number of times I see "Available for back order" on the order page.

    How are people doing this professionally managing?

    Sylvia.

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  • From Jim MacArthur@21:1/5 to Sylvia Else on Mon Mar 28 12:36:29 2022
    On Sunday, March 27, 2022 at 10:49:04 PM UTC-4, Sylvia Else wrote:
    I just build stuff for use in my home. Even so, I'm frustrated at the
    number of times I see "Available for back order" on the order page.

    How are people doing this professionally managing?

    Sylvia.
    I'm wondering that too. My build quantities are in the dozens to hundreds, which is right in the region of maximum pain. I've done about fifty PCB redesigns since the shortage started, replacing chips with stuff I can find. And I bulk-bought some
    essential stuff early on, but that's all running out. I expect to have nothing to work with in about a year. How is everyone else doing?
    -Jim MacA.

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  • From whit3rd@21:1/5 to Sylvia Else on Mon Mar 28 13:35:18 2022
    On Sunday, March 27, 2022 at 7:49:04 PM UTC-7, Sylvia Else wrote:
    I just build stuff for use in my home. Even so, I'm frustrated at the
    number of times I see "Available for back order" on the order page.

    How are people doing this professionally managing?

    In general terms, a construction bid includes line items for materials
    and fixtures, sometimes with elaborate descriptive elements. As a
    project proceeds, the (architect, usually) owner's project manager
    OKs payments to the subcontractors and suppliers.

    Thus, when doorknob Alpha isn't shipping, the project manager has to
    consider and approve an alternative Beta or...
    the guy hanging the doors doesn't get his work finished (and paid),
    and there's no hardware bought.

    The professionals, I'm sure, are very much annoyed.

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  • From David Brown@21:1/5 to Sylvia Else on Mon Mar 28 22:55:50 2022
    On 28/03/2022 04:48, Sylvia Else wrote:
    I just build stuff for use in my home. Even so, I'm frustrated at the
    number of times I see "Available for back order" on the order page.

    How are people doing this professionally managing?


    With great difficulty.

    In some cases, we are ordering parts from what we can find on stock,
    then starting the design when the devices arrive physically.

    It's a real disaster for the industry. The manufacturers can't even
    ramp up their production, because the people that make the production
    machines can't get the parts for the control electronics.

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  • From Phil Hobbs@21:1/5 to Jim MacArthur on Mon Mar 28 17:02:13 2022
    Jim MacArthur wrote:
    On Sunday, March 27, 2022 at 10:49:04 PM UTC-4, Sylvia Else wrote:
    I just build stuff for use in my home. Even so, I'm frustrated at
    the number of times I see "Available for back order" on the order
    page.

    How are people doing this professionally managing?

    Sylvia.
    I'm wondering that too. My build quantities are in the dozens to
    hundreds, which is right in the region of maximum pain. I've done
    about fifty PCB redesigns since the shortage started, replacing chips
    with stuff I can find. And I bulk-bought some essential stuff early
    on, but that's all running out. I expect to have nothing to work
    with in about a year. How is everyone else doing? -Jim MacA.


    Yeah, board spins plus quantity buys of what we can get. On the plus
    side, it's mostly brand-new parts that are in stock.

    Cheers

    Phil Hobbs

    --
    Dr Philip C D Hobbs
    Principal Consultant
    ElectroOptical Innovations LLC / Hobbs ElectroOptics
    Optics, Electro-optics, Photonics, Analog Electronics
    Briarcliff Manor NY 10510

    http://electrooptical.net
    http://hobbs-eo.com

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  • From Rickster@21:1/5 to Sylvia Else on Mon Mar 28 16:42:47 2022
    On Sunday, March 27, 2022 at 10:49:04 PM UTC-4, Sylvia Else wrote:
    I just build stuff for use in my home. Even so, I'm frustrated at the
    number of times I see "Available for back order" on the order page.

    How are people doing this professionally managing?

    It is often not at all hard to find substitutes when you are in the design stage. A 10k ohm resistor is most likely no different from a 12k ohm resistor for the vast majority of uses. Same with capacitors, etc. When you are dealing with digital chips,
    you need to only design in devices you can get a substitute for. Mostly that will mean a different footprint, but so be it. If real money is at stake, the cost of a respin is not such a big deal compared to shutting down a car factory. As long as the
    code can be ported with little effort, the real work is avoided.

    I planned for availability issues from the get-go. One part I couldn't plan for was the CODEC, which was made in a factory that burned down! The $3 part is now $150. lol Good thing I have all I need at the moment.

    Just got back to Puerto Rico and the weather here is beautiful! It was nice in Virginia, but dropped to below freezing the night before my flight out! Even my heavy sweater was not enough to keep warm while waiting for the parking lot shuttle. Good
    thing they were on time and I didn't have to stand around. Tonight I had dinner in the pool, literally. LOL That and a couple of rum and cokes.

    Have I mentioned that on every plane that lands in Puerto Rico the passengers break out in applause? It's pretty cool. They have a lot of pride.

    I like it here.

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  • From Sylvia Else@21:1/5 to Rickster on Tue Mar 29 10:54:03 2022
    On 29-Mar-22 10:42 am, Rickster wrote:
    Have I mentioned that on every plane that lands in Puerto Rico the passengers break out in applause? It's pretty cool. They have a lot of pride.

    My most amusing experience of landing as a passenger was on a return to
    London on a charter flight to the Paris Air Show. We were on a 737, and
    had just turned off to a taxiway after landing. From there it was
    possible to see that another 737 that landed next had pulled off at an
    earlier taxiway.

    The resulting sound from the passengers was probably one that the cabin
    crew had never previously heard.

    Sylvia.

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  • From Rickster@21:1/5 to David Brown on Mon Mar 28 16:52:37 2022
    On Monday, March 28, 2022 at 4:55:58 PM UTC-4, David Brown wrote:
    On 28/03/2022 04:48, Sylvia Else wrote:
    I just build stuff for use in my home. Even so, I'm frustrated at the number of times I see "Available for back order" on the order page.

    How are people doing this professionally managing?

    With great difficulty.

    In some cases, we are ordering parts from what we can find on stock,
    then starting the design when the devices arrive physically.

    It's a real disaster for the industry. The manufacturers can't even
    ramp up their production, because the people that make the production machines can't get the parts for the control electronics.

    Contract manufacturers are pretty fucked. They can't complete a job if the parts can't be bought. I have a consigned order I've been working to place and some CMs seem to think they don't make enough if they don't buy the parts, so they no-bid. Hello!
    This is a job you can make money on without fighting the shortages!!!

    They aren't constrained on how much they mark up the assembly if they want more profit. While I might turn them down if they are too expensive, I can't accept their bid if they don't offer it!!! WTF???!!! Nothing ventured, nothing gained.

    I had two companies who responded, so I'm fine. The company I had been working with seems to be laying off people because of parts availability.

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  • From Rickster@21:1/5 to John Doe on Mon Mar 28 16:55:39 2022
    On Monday, March 28, 2022 at 7:47:16 PM UTC-4, John Doe wrote:
    Rickster wrote:

    Have I mentioned that on every plane that lands in Puerto Rico the passengers break out in applause? It's pretty cool. They have a lot of pride.
    Are you sure that's not relief?

    I'm sorry you didn't do your top posting thing. I love it when Edward kicks you in the nuts. I just find it so funny when you then respond with your flaccid replies. :^P

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  • From John Doe@21:1/5 to Rickster on Tue Mar 29 00:00:35 2022
    Methinks Ricksy is drunk...


    Rickster wrote:

    John Doe wrote:
    Rickster wrote:

    Have I mentioned that on every plane that lands in Puerto Rico the
    passengers break out in applause? It's pretty cool. They have a lot
    of pride.

    Are you sure that's not relief?

    I'm sorry you didn't do your top posting thing. I love it when Edward
    kicks you in the nuts. I just find it so funny when you then respond
    with your flaccid replies. :^P

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  • From John Doe@21:1/5 to Rickster on Mon Mar 28 23:47:09 2022
    Rickster wrote:

    Have I mentioned that on every plane that lands in Puerto Rico the
    passengers break out in applause? It's pretty cool. They have a lot of pride.

    Are you sure that's not relief?

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  • From Jan Panteltje@21:1/5 to gnuarm.deletethisbit@gmail.com on Tue Mar 29 05:47:02 2022
    On a sunny day (Mon, 28 Mar 2022 16:42:47 -0700 (PDT)) it happened Rickster <gnuarm.deletethisbit@gmail.com> wrote in <db82191c-85ba-4dd4-aedb-33163e6997d2n@googlegroups.com>:
    ...
    Have I mentioned that on every plane that lands in Puerto Rico the passengers >break out in applause? It's pretty cool. They have a lot of pride.

    I remember flying from Barcelona in Spain back to Amsterdam the Netherlands. About 15 minutes after takeoff I heard the alarm come on in the cockpit
    Engine on fire..
    We circled above the ocean to get rid of fuel and landed safely, I thanked the captain for nice job done.
    IIRC some people applauded...
    Should not have boarded the f*cking plane as I did see a pool of fluid under that engine before takeoff
    was thinking 'will not be oil, they must have checked that'.
    When home later on an other flight I called the local paper and reported it, they then did an article on airplane maintenance,

    Captain should at least look at what he boards and is going to fly.
    Never been to Puerto Rico...
    That was in the days of Bil Clignon and Monica, was just reading that article when that alarm came on.

    Can they still get spare parts for those Puerto flights?

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  • From Rickster@21:1/5 to Jan Panteltje on Tue Mar 29 06:03:30 2022
    On Tuesday, March 29, 2022 at 1:47:21 AM UTC-4, Jan Panteltje wrote:
    On a sunny day (Mon, 28 Mar 2022 16:42:47 -0700 (PDT)) it happened Rickster <gnuarm.del...@gmail.com> wrote in
    <db82191c-85ba-4dd4...@googlegroups.com>:
    ...
    Have I mentioned that on every plane that lands in Puerto Rico the passengers
    break out in applause? It's pretty cool. They have a lot of pride.
    I remember flying from Barcelona in Spain back to Amsterdam the Netherlands. About 15 minutes after takeoff I heard the alarm come on in the cockpit Engine on fire..
    We circled above the ocean to get rid of fuel and landed safely, I thanked the captain for nice job done.
    IIRC some people applauded...
    Should not have boarded the f*cking plane as I did see a pool of fluid under that engine before takeoff
    was thinking 'will not be oil, they must have checked that'.
    When home later on an other flight I called the local paper and reported it, they then did an article on airplane maintenance,

    Captain should at least look at what he boards and is going to fly.
    Never been to Puerto Rico...
    That was in the days of Bil Clignon and Monica, was just reading that article when that alarm came on.

    Can they still get spare parts for those Puerto flights?

    Lol. People like you don't understand much about most topics. That's why they look foolish when posting on things outside their tiny area of expertise.

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  • From Jan Panteltje@21:1/5 to gnuarm.deletethisbit@gmail.com on Tue Mar 29 14:47:38 2022
    On a sunny day (Tue, 29 Mar 2022 06:03:30 -0700 (PDT)) it happened Rickster <gnuarm.deletethisbit@gmail.com> wrote in <9a2ce268-ef16-4b9c-bebd-05149e072271n@googlegroups.com>:

    On Tuesday, March 29, 2022 at 1:47:21 AM UTC-4, Jan Panteltje wrote:
    On a sunny day (Mon, 28 Mar 2022 16:42:47 -0700 (PDT)) it happened Rickster >> <gnuarm.del...@gmail.com> wrote in
    <db82191c-85ba-4dd4...@googlegroups.com>:
    ...
    Have I mentioned that on every plane that lands in Puerto Rico the passengers
    break out in applause? It's pretty cool. They have a lot of pride.
    I remember flying from Barcelona in Spain back to Amsterdam the Netherlands. >> About 15 minutes after takeoff I heard the alarm come on in the cockpit
    Engine on fire..
    We circled above the ocean to get rid of fuel and landed safely, I thanked the captain for nice job done.
    IIRC some people applauded...
    Should not have boarded the f*cking plane as I did see a pool of fluid under that engine before takeoff
    was thinking 'will not be oil, they must have checked that'.
    When home later on an other flight I called the local paper and reported it, they then did an article on airplane maintenance,


    Captain should at least look at what he boards and is going to fly.
    Never been to Puerto Rico...
    That was in the days of Bil Clignon and Monica, was just reading that article when that alarm came on.

    Can they still get spare parts for those Puerto flights?

    Lol. People like you don't understand much about most topics. That's why they look foolish when posting on things outside
    their tiny area of expertise.

    Then stop posting that way!
    Iahve seen West Side Story, tehre is a song
    Puerto RIco ..

    From
    https://www.westsidestory.com/america
    Puerto Rico,
    My heart's devotion
    Let it sink back in the ocean.
    Always the hurricanes blowing,
    Always the population growing,
    And the money owing,
    And the sunlight streaming,
    And the natives steaming.

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  • From Rickster@21:1/5 to Jan Panteltje on Tue Mar 29 21:55:02 2022
    On Tuesday, March 29, 2022 at 10:47:59 AM UTC-4, Jan Panteltje wrote:
    On a sunny day (Tue, 29 Mar 2022 06:03:30 -0700 (PDT)) it happened Rickster <gnuarm.del...@gmail.com> wrote in
    <9a2ce268-ef16-4b9c...@googlegroups.com>:
    On Tuesday, March 29, 2022 at 1:47:21 AM UTC-4, Jan Panteltje wrote:
    On a sunny day (Mon, 28 Mar 2022 16:42:47 -0700 (PDT)) it happened Rickster
    <gnuarm.del...@gmail.com> wrote in
    <db82191c-85ba-4dd4...@googlegroups.com>:
    ...
    Have I mentioned that on every plane that lands in Puerto Rico the passengers
    break out in applause? It's pretty cool. They have a lot of pride.
    I remember flying from Barcelona in Spain back to Amsterdam the Netherlands.
    About 15 minutes after takeoff I heard the alarm come on in the cockpit
    Engine on fire..
    We circled above the ocean to get rid of fuel and landed safely, I thanked the captain for nice job done.
    IIRC some people applauded...
    Should not have boarded the f*cking plane as I did see a pool of fluid under that engine before takeoff
    was thinking 'will not be oil, they must have checked that'.
    When home later on an other flight I called the local paper and reported it, they then did an article on airplane maintenance,


    Captain should at least look at what he boards and is going to fly.
    Never been to Puerto Rico...
    That was in the days of Bil Clignon and Monica, was just reading that article when that alarm came on.

    Can they still get spare parts for those Puerto flights?

    Lol. People like you don't understand much about most topics. That's why they look foolish when posting on things outside
    their tiny area of expertise.
    Then stop posting that way!
    Iahve seen West Side Story, tehre is a song
    Puerto RIco ..

    From
    https://www.westsidestory.com/america
    Puerto Rico,
    My heart's devotion
    Let it sink back in the ocean.
    Always the hurricanes blowing,
    Always the population growing,
    And the money owing,
    And the sunlight streaming,
    And the natives steaming.

    Yes, that's exactly what it's like in Puerto Rico, an American musical movie. I see them dancing in the streets here just like that, every day!

    Actually, Rita Moreno is a huge star here.

    Don't know what your problem is, but I'm done with you. Bye.

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    Rick C.

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  • From Jan Panteltje@21:1/5 to gnuarm.deletethisbit@gmail.com on Wed Mar 30 06:56:01 2022
    On a sunny day (Tue, 29 Mar 2022 21:55:02 -0700 (PDT)) it happened Rickster <gnuarm.deletethisbit@gmail.com> wrote in <35c131eb-03b5-4b1b-bf84-ff6bdd62e3d8n@googlegroups.com>:

    On Tuesday, March 29, 2022 at 10:47:59 AM UTC-4, Jan Panteltje wrote:
    Puerto RIco ..

    From
    https://www.westsidestory.com/america
    Puerto Rico,
    My heart's devotion
    Let it sink back in the ocean.
    Always the hurricanes blowing,
    Always the population growing,
    And the money owing,
    And the sunlight streaming,
    And the natives steaming.

    Yes, that's exactly what it's like in Puerto Rico, an American musical movie. I see them dancing in the streets here just like
    that, every day!


    Actually, Rita Moreno is a huge star here.

    Don't know what your problem is, but I'm done with you. Bye.

    You could not take it
    I have the West Side Story on DVD.
    When I went to see the movie when it came out long ago
    I *knew* it was for me, and when in NY much later I was prepared.
    Been there, lived that.

    It is probably right about Rico too.

    It is a great introduction to the US

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    removed your tesla code, the only reason you post here it seems.


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    Now ricky will save for a waterproof 'lectric car to travel to and from Puerto R.

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  • From Rich S@21:1/5 to All on Wed Mar 30 11:06:58 2022
    Yes, that's exactly what it's like in Puerto Rico, an American musical movie. I see them dancing in the streets here just like that, every day!

    Actually, Rita Moreno is a huge star here.

    Don't know what your problem is, but I'm done with you. Bye.

    --

    Rick C.

    Love this humor. Thanks RC.
    If the recent SED posts are any indication,
    you've done well for yourself about P.R.!

    "Pour me another cuban breeze, Gretchen"
    cheers, RS

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  • From Ricky@21:1/5 to Rich S on Wed Mar 30 17:07:29 2022
    On Wednesday, March 30, 2022 at 2:07:02 PM UTC-4, Rich S wrote:
    Yes, that's exactly what it's like in Puerto Rico, an American musical movie. I see them dancing in the streets here just like that, every day!

    Actually, Rita Moreno is a huge star here.

    Don't know what your problem is, but I'm done with you. Bye.

    --

    Rick C.
    Love this humor. Thanks RC.
    If the recent SED posts are any indication,
    you've done well for yourself about P.R.!

    "Pour me another cuban breeze, Gretchen"
    cheers, RS

    They serve Mojitos here, but I haven't tried ordering other tropical drinks. Back in the mainland you ask for a Mojito and you get one. Here you always have to say what flavor. Seems they don't just put the lime in the coconut and drink it all up. In
    fact, they don't know what you mean by lemon. You have to specify amarillo (yellow), a lemon, or verde (green) which is the lime. They are both limón. This seems to be a Caribbean thing, rather than Spanish.

    Most of my drinking has been by the pool, rather than in restaurants lately. So the recipe is to mix whatever alcohol with whatever mixer is at hand. Mostly that's rum.

    I need to pickup some limes so I can make a Cuban Libre.

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    Rick C.

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