• OT: Sanctions

    From John Doe@21:1/5 to All on Sun Mar 27 12:43:11 2022
    I don't understand why we are putting sanctions on Russia. THE SANCTIONS
    ARE HURTING AMERICANS MORE THAN RUSSIA'S INVASION OF UKRAINE HURT
    AMERICANS. Seems lots of people want to hurt Russia more than they want to
    help their own country.

    Russia's non-aggressive response to Ukraine's unfair tariffs on its oil
    pipes was to build oil pipes around Ukraine. This recent invasion didn't
    even interrupt oil supply to Europe. But Europeans insist on doing so!

    Jimmy Carter, known for trashing our economy (but of course it was the
    other guy's fault), prevented us from selling wheat to Russia. Now Russia exports wheat.

    It's not working!

    Killing 500,000 Iraqi children with sanctions is "worth it" according to Madeleine Albright...

    https://youtu.be/RM0uvgHKZe8

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  • From Rickster@21:1/5 to John Doe on Sun Mar 27 06:50:06 2022
    On Sunday, March 27, 2022 at 8:43:18 AM UTC-4, John Doe wrote:
    I don't understand why we are putting sanctions on Russia.

    Yes, you are right. You don't understand.

    --

    Rick C.

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  • From John Doe@21:1/5 to Rickster on Sun Mar 27 14:18:58 2022
    Rickster <gnuarm.deletethisbit@gmail.com> wrote:

    John Doe wrote:

    I don't understand why we are putting sanctions on Russia. THE
    SANCTIONS ARE HURTING AMERICANS MORE THAN RUSSIA'S INVASION OF UKRAINE
    HURT AMERICANS. Seems lots of people want to hurt Russia more than they
    want to help their own country.

    Russia's non-aggressive response to Ukraine's unfair tariffs on its oil
    pipes was to build oil pipes around Ukraine. This recent invasion
    didn't even interrupt oil supply to Europe. But Europeans insist on
    doing so!

    Jimmy Carter, known for trashing our economy (but of course it was the
    other guy's fault), prevented us from selling wheat to Russia. Now
    Russia exports wheat.

    It's not working!

    Killing 500,000 Iraqi children with sanctions is "worth it" according
    to Madeleine Albright...

    https://youtu.be/RM0uvgHKZe8

    Yes, you are right. You don't understand.

    Then explain.

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  • From John Doe@21:1/5 to Rickster on Sun Mar 27 14:17:16 2022
    Rickster <gnuarm.deletethisbit@gmail.com> wrote:

    John Doe wrote:

    I don't understand why we are putting sanctions on Russia. THE SANCTIONS
    ARE HURTING AMERICANS MORE THAN RUSSIA'S INVASION OF UKRAINE HURT
    AMERICANS. Seems lots of people want to hurt Russia more than they want
    to help their own country.

    Russia's non-aggressive response to Ukraine's unfair tariffs on its oil
    pipes was to build oil pipes around Ukraine. This recent invasion didn't
    even interrupt oil supply to Europe. But Europeans insist on doing so!

    Jimmy Carter, known for trashing our economy (but of course it was the
    other guy's fault), prevented us from selling wheat to Russia. Now
    Russia exports wheat.

    It's not working!

    Killing 500,000 Iraqi children with sanctions is "worth it" according to Madeleine Albright...

    https://youtu.be/RM0uvgHKZe8

    Yes, you are right. You don't understand.

    Then explain.

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  • From Ed Lee@21:1/5 to John Doe on Sun Mar 27 07:24:30 2022
    On Sunday, March 27, 2022 at 7:19:05 AM UTC-7, John Doe wrote:
    Rickster <gnuarm.del...@gmail.com> wrote:

    John Doe wrote:
    I don't understand why we are putting sanctions on Russia. THE
    SANCTIONS ARE HURTING AMERICANS MORE THAN RUSSIA'S INVASION OF UKRAINE
    HURT AMERICANS. Seems lots of people want to hurt Russia more than they
    want to help their own country.

    Russia's non-aggressive response to Ukraine's unfair tariffs on its oil
    pipes was to build oil pipes around Ukraine. This recent invasion
    didn't even interrupt oil supply to Europe. But Europeans insist on
    doing so!

    Jimmy Carter, known for trashing our economy (but of course it was the
    other guy's fault), prevented us from selling wheat to Russia. Now
    Russia exports wheat.

    It's not working!

    Killing 500,000 Iraqi children with sanctions is "worth it" according
    to Madeleine Albright...

    https://youtu.be/RM0uvgHKZe8
    Yes, you are right. You don't understand.
    Then explain.

    Because Russian military bombs/kills/murders unarmed civilian like you and me. That's hardly non-aggressive.

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  • From Cursitor Doom@21:1/5 to edward.ming.lee@gmail.com on Sun Mar 27 18:25:40 2022
    On Sun, 27 Mar 2022 07:24:30 -0700 (PDT), Ed Lee
    <edward.ming.lee@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Sunday, March 27, 2022 at 7:19:05 AM UTC-7, John Doe wrote:
    Rickster <gnuarm.del...@gmail.com> wrote:

    John Doe wrote:
    I don't understand why we are putting sanctions on Russia. THE
    SANCTIONS ARE HURTING AMERICANS MORE THAN RUSSIA'S INVASION OF UKRAINE
    HURT AMERICANS. Seems lots of people want to hurt Russia more than they >> >> want to help their own country.

    Russia's non-aggressive response to Ukraine's unfair tariffs on its oil >> >> pipes was to build oil pipes around Ukraine. This recent invasion
    didn't even interrupt oil supply to Europe. But Europeans insist on
    doing so!

    Jimmy Carter, known for trashing our economy (but of course it was the
    other guy's fault), prevented us from selling wheat to Russia. Now
    Russia exports wheat.

    It's not working!

    Killing 500,000 Iraqi children with sanctions is "worth it" according
    to Madeleine Albright...

    https://youtu.be/RM0uvgHKZe8
    Yes, you are right. You don't understand.
    Then explain.

    Because Russian military bombs/kills/murders unarmed civilian like you and me. That's hardly non-aggressive.

    The Russians didn't have any choice. Any country under threat has to
    draw the line somewhere. It's unfortunate, but it was foreseeable and preventable. The fault lies with us on this occasion.
    Trump would never have let things get so far out of whack, but instead
    you have a re-animated corpse just pouring gas on the fire and
    needlessly upping the stakes for everyone. :(

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  • From Ed Lee@21:1/5 to Cursitor Doom on Sun Mar 27 10:35:36 2022
    On Sunday, March 27, 2022 at 10:25:47 AM UTC-7, Cursitor Doom wrote:
    On Sun, 27 Mar 2022 07:24:30 -0700 (PDT), Ed Lee
    <edward....@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Sunday, March 27, 2022 at 7:19:05 AM UTC-7, John Doe wrote:
    Rickster <gnuarm.del...@gmail.com> wrote:

    John Doe wrote:
    I don't understand why we are putting sanctions on Russia. THE
    SANCTIONS ARE HURTING AMERICANS MORE THAN RUSSIA'S INVASION OF UKRAINE >> >> HURT AMERICANS. Seems lots of people want to hurt Russia more than they >> >> want to help their own country.

    Russia's non-aggressive response to Ukraine's unfair tariffs on its oil >> >> pipes was to build oil pipes around Ukraine. This recent invasion
    didn't even interrupt oil supply to Europe. But Europeans insist on
    doing so!

    Jimmy Carter, known for trashing our economy (but of course it was the >> >> other guy's fault), prevented us from selling wheat to Russia. Now
    Russia exports wheat.

    It's not working!

    Killing 500,000 Iraqi children with sanctions is "worth it" according >> >> to Madeleine Albright...

    https://youtu.be/RM0uvgHKZe8
    Yes, you are right. You don't understand.
    Then explain.

    Because Russian military bombs/kills/murders unarmed civilian like you and me. That's hardly non-aggressive.
    The Russians didn't have any choice. Any country under threat has to
    draw the line somewhere.

    Under what threat? Being driven out of another country?

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  • From jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com@21:1/5 to edward.ming.lee@gmail.com on Sun Mar 27 10:54:35 2022
    On Sun, 27 Mar 2022 10:35:36 -0700 (PDT), Ed Lee
    <edward.ming.lee@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Sunday, March 27, 2022 at 10:25:47 AM UTC-7, Cursitor Doom wrote:
    On Sun, 27 Mar 2022 07:24:30 -0700 (PDT), Ed Lee
    <edward....@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Sunday, March 27, 2022 at 7:19:05 AM UTC-7, John Doe wrote:
    Rickster <gnuarm.del...@gmail.com> wrote:

    John Doe wrote:
    I don't understand why we are putting sanctions on Russia. THE
    SANCTIONS ARE HURTING AMERICANS MORE THAN RUSSIA'S INVASION OF UKRAINE >> >> >> HURT AMERICANS. Seems lots of people want to hurt Russia more than they
    want to help their own country.

    Russia's non-aggressive response to Ukraine's unfair tariffs on its oil
    pipes was to build oil pipes around Ukraine. This recent invasion
    didn't even interrupt oil supply to Europe. But Europeans insist on
    doing so!

    Jimmy Carter, known for trashing our economy (but of course it was the >> >> >> other guy's fault), prevented us from selling wheat to Russia. Now
    Russia exports wheat.

    It's not working!

    Killing 500,000 Iraqi children with sanctions is "worth it" according >> >> >> to Madeleine Albright...

    https://youtu.be/RM0uvgHKZe8
    Yes, you are right. You don't understand.
    Then explain.

    Because Russian military bombs/kills/murders unarmed civilian like you and me. That's hardly non-aggressive.
    The Russians didn't have any choice. Any country under threat has to
    draw the line somewhere.

    Under what threat? Being driven out of another country?

    Ukraine, a former Soviet puppet colony, is a democracy with an
    increasingly european culture.

    That is a threat to the Russian language, alphabet, culture, and
    tradition of despotic mass-murdering dictators-for-life. Nostalgia for
    Stalin. The Russian culture, or roughly half of it, still wants that.

    Part of the price Russia will pay is brain drain. That will make the
    rest of the population yet more tribal.

    I wonder what China really wants to do here.



    --

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  • From Ed Lee@21:1/5 to jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com on Sun Mar 27 11:05:59 2022
    On Sunday, March 27, 2022 at 10:54:46 AM UTC-7, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
    On Sun, 27 Mar 2022 10:35:36 -0700 (PDT), Ed Lee
    <edward....@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Sunday, March 27, 2022 at 10:25:47 AM UTC-7, Cursitor Doom wrote:
    On Sun, 27 Mar 2022 07:24:30 -0700 (PDT), Ed Lee
    <edward....@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Sunday, March 27, 2022 at 7:19:05 AM UTC-7, John Doe wrote:
    Rickster <gnuarm.del...@gmail.com> wrote:

    John Doe wrote:
    I don't understand why we are putting sanctions on Russia. THE
    SANCTIONS ARE HURTING AMERICANS MORE THAN RUSSIA'S INVASION OF UKRAINE
    HURT AMERICANS. Seems lots of people want to hurt Russia more than they
    want to help their own country.

    Russia's non-aggressive response to Ukraine's unfair tariffs on its oil
    pipes was to build oil pipes around Ukraine. This recent invasion
    didn't even interrupt oil supply to Europe. But Europeans insist on >> >> >> doing so!

    Jimmy Carter, known for trashing our economy (but of course it was the
    other guy's fault), prevented us from selling wheat to Russia. Now >> >> >> Russia exports wheat.

    It's not working!

    Killing 500,000 Iraqi children with sanctions is "worth it" according
    to Madeleine Albright...

    https://youtu.be/RM0uvgHKZe8
    Yes, you are right. You don't understand.
    Then explain.

    Because Russian military bombs/kills/murders unarmed civilian like you and me. That's hardly non-aggressive.
    The Russians didn't have any choice. Any country under threat has to
    draw the line somewhere.

    Under what threat? Being driven out of another country?
    Ukraine, a former Soviet puppet colony, is a democracy with an
    increasingly european culture.

    That is a threat to the Russian language, alphabet, culture, and
    tradition of despotic mass-murdering dictators-for-life. Nostalgia for Stalin. The Russian culture, or roughly half of it, still wants that.

    Yes, they can want and enforce that within their border. Even in the dispute eastern corner of Ukraine, if they stick to the international laws on engagement, perhaps the west would not go so far.

    Part of the price Russia will pay is brain drain. That will make the
    rest of the population yet more tribal.

    I wonder what China really wants to do here.

    They have to be careful, because Ukraine is a critical path of their Belt and Road. If China is too friendly to Russia, belt might be cut and road might be blocked.

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  • From jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com@21:1/5 to edward.ming.lee@gmail.com on Sun Mar 27 13:26:23 2022
    On Sun, 27 Mar 2022 11:05:59 -0700 (PDT), Ed Lee
    <edward.ming.lee@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Sunday, March 27, 2022 at 10:54:46 AM UTC-7, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
    On Sun, 27 Mar 2022 10:35:36 -0700 (PDT), Ed Lee
    <edward....@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Sunday, March 27, 2022 at 10:25:47 AM UTC-7, Cursitor Doom wrote:
    On Sun, 27 Mar 2022 07:24:30 -0700 (PDT), Ed Lee
    <edward....@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Sunday, March 27, 2022 at 7:19:05 AM UTC-7, John Doe wrote:
    Rickster <gnuarm.del...@gmail.com> wrote:

    John Doe wrote:
    I don't understand why we are putting sanctions on Russia. THE
    SANCTIONS ARE HURTING AMERICANS MORE THAN RUSSIA'S INVASION OF UKRAINE
    HURT AMERICANS. Seems lots of people want to hurt Russia more than they
    want to help their own country.

    Russia's non-aggressive response to Ukraine's unfair tariffs on its oil
    pipes was to build oil pipes around Ukraine. This recent invasion >> >> >> >> didn't even interrupt oil supply to Europe. But Europeans insist on >> >> >> >> doing so!

    Jimmy Carter, known for trashing our economy (but of course it was the
    other guy's fault), prevented us from selling wheat to Russia. Now >> >> >> >> Russia exports wheat.

    It's not working!

    Killing 500,000 Iraqi children with sanctions is "worth it" according
    to Madeleine Albright...

    https://youtu.be/RM0uvgHKZe8
    Yes, you are right. You don't understand.
    Then explain.

    Because Russian military bombs/kills/murders unarmed civilian like you and me. That's hardly non-aggressive.
    The Russians didn't have any choice. Any country under threat has to
    draw the line somewhere.

    Under what threat? Being driven out of another country?
    Ukraine, a former Soviet puppet colony, is a democracy with an
    increasingly european culture.

    That is a threat to the Russian language, alphabet, culture, and
    tradition of despotic mass-murdering dictators-for-life. Nostalgia for
    Stalin. The Russian culture, or roughly half of it, still wants that.

    Yes, they can want and enforce that within their border. Even in the dispute eastern corner of Ukraine, if they stick to the international laws on engagement, perhaps the west would not go so far.

    Part of the price Russia will pay is brain drain. That will make the
    rest of the population yet more tribal.

    I wonder what China really wants to do here.

    They have to be careful, because Ukraine is a critical path of their Belt and Road. If China is too friendly to Russia, belt might be cut and road might be blocked.

    I'm not a fan of the New York Times. I canceled my subscription, so my
    wife signed up for hers. So here it is.

    But today's section 1 is really good. It's mostly about Putin and is
    detailed and, for the NYT, shockingly balanced. Worth getting.



    --

    I yam what I yam - Popeye

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  • From John Doe@21:1/5 to Ed Lee on Sun Mar 27 20:21:57 2022
    Ed Lee <edward.ming.lee@gmail.com> wrote:

    Yes, they can want and enforce that within their border.

    I don't know about your country, but... If Russia were meddling in Mexico
    or Canada, we would be there.

    They have to be careful, because Ukraine is a critical path of their
    Belt and Road. If China is too friendly to Russia, belt might be cut
    and road might be blocked.

    What???

    Speaking of roads. Now that Ukraine no longer has access to the sea, it
    wants to use railroads to transport grain (its major industry), but what
    if Russia decides to take out its railroads...

    Russian citizens are doing very well compared to many Ukrainian citizens
    (gas prices have dropped), including the millions who have left. Too bad
    their leaders are too stupid to make a deal.

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  • From John Doe@21:1/5 to John Doe on Sun Mar 27 20:38:20 2022
    Speaking of less advanced civilizations, I have been getting a good look
    at Ukraine.

    Busy intersections without streetlights or stop signs... And it snows
    there!

    I'm pretty sure Ukraine is full of natural resources, but Russia looks
    more advanced, so where is the money going...

    ...





    John Doe <always.look@message.header> wrote:

    jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:

    That will make the rest of the population yet more tribal.

    They are tougher than Westerners, they might be less sophisticated, but
    our population is getting really weird.

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  • From John Doe@21:1/5 to jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com on Sun Mar 27 20:15:43 2022
    jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:

    Ed Lee wrote:
    Cursitor Doom wrote:
    Ed Lee wrote:
    John Doe wrote:
    Rickster <gnuarm.del...@gmail.com> wrote:
    John Doe wrote:

    I don't understand why we are putting sanctions on Russia. THE
    SANCTIONS ARE HURTING AMERICANS MORE THAN RUSSIA'S INVASION OF
    UKRAINE HURT AMERICANS. Seems lots of people want to hurt Russia >>>>>>> more than they want to help their own country.

    Russia's non-aggressive response to Ukraine's unfair tariffs on
    its oil pipes was to build oil pipes around Ukraine. This recent >>>>>>> invasion didn't even interrupt oil supply to Europe. But Europeans >>>>>>> insist on doing so!

    Jimmy Carter, known for trashing our economy (but of course it was >>>>>>> the other guy's fault), prevented us from selling wheat to Russia. >>>>>>> Now Russia exports wheat.

    It's not working!

    Killing 500,000 Iraqi children with sanctions is "worth it"
    according to Madeleine Albright...

    https://youtu.be/RM0uvgHKZe8
    Yes, you are right. You don't understand.
    Then explain.

    Because Russian military bombs/kills/murders unarmed civilian like
    you and me. That's hardly non-aggressive.

    The Russians didn't have any choice. Any country under threat has to
    draw the line somewhere.

    Under what threat? Being driven out of another country?

    Ukraine, a former Soviet puppet colony,

    Russia is taking back a small portion of the territory it gave up in the
    1990s, in response to NATO expansion.

    is a democracy

    Hardly. State run media only, private media has been jailed. Opposition
    parties have been jailed.

    with an increasingly european culture.

    You misspelled "Nazi".

    That is a threat to the Russian language, alphabet, culture, and
    tradition of despotic mass-murdering dictators-for-life.

    Everybody's language is threatened. English will be threatened if we don't
    wise up. Many foreigners do not like the dollar being national currency, either.

    Part of the price Russia will pay is brain drain.

    That's why we have been paying Russia for taking our astronauts to the
    space station, for the last 13 years. Now watch John Larkin crap on space exploration...

    The Russian government sponsors a lot of technical competitions, like in programming. Brain drain is an interesting concept, but a brain is born
    every minute.

    That will make the rest of the population yet more tribal.

    They are tougher than Westerners, they might be less sophisticated, but
    our population is getting really weird.

    I wonder what China really wants to do here.

    Play us against the Russians and vice versa. China has everything to lose.
    The problem is their language.

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  • From John Doe@21:1/5 to Cursitor Doom on Sun Mar 27 20:26:28 2022
    That's what Henry Kissinger and other diplomats have said.

    I have seen no one point to respected diplomats who have NOT cautioned
    against NATO expansion to Russia's border countries.

    Russia/China wouldn't be allowed to expand into Mexico or Canada!
    Free country or whatever the rhetoric might be.

    You have to wonder why some people just don't get the obvious logic.




    Cursitor Doom <cd@notformail.com> wrote:

    The Russians didn't have any choice. Any country under threat has to
    draw the line somewhere. It's unfortunate, but it was foreseeable and preventable. The fault lies with us on this occasion. Trump would never
    have let things get so far out of whack, but instead you have a
    re-animated corpse just pouring gas on the fire and needlessly upping
    the stakes for everyone. :(

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  • From Ed Lee@21:1/5 to John Doe on Sun Mar 27 13:42:59 2022
    On Sunday, March 27, 2022 at 1:26:34 PM UTC-7, John Doe wrote:
    That's what Henry Kissinger and other diplomats have said.

    I have seen no one point to respected diplomats who have NOT cautioned against NATO expansion to Russia's border countries.

    Russia/China wouldn't be allowed to expand into Mexico or Canada!
    Free country or whatever the rhetoric might be.

    Yes, US would probably invade Mexico. But US military is not allowed to bomb apt/school/hospital and kill unarmed civilian.

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  • From John Doe@21:1/5 to Ed Lee on Sun Mar 27 20:50:47 2022
    Ed Lee wrote:

    John Doe wrote:

    That's what Henry Kissinger and other diplomats have said.

    I have seen no one point to respected diplomats who have NOT cautioned
    against NATO expansion to Russia's border countries.

    Russia/China wouldn't be allowed to expand into Mexico or Canada! Free
    country or whatever the rhetoric might be.

    Yes, US would probably invade Mexico. But US military is not allowed to
    bomb apt/school/hospital and kill unarmed civilian.

    Most civilians have arms.

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  • From Ralph Mowery@21:1/5 to All on Sun Mar 27 16:59:35 2022
    In article <e710a2c0-f7fe-45ac-acc7-7b79dec81d6bn@googlegroups.com>, edward.ming.lee@gmail.com says...

    Yes, US would probably invade Mexico. But US military is not allowed to bomb apt/school/hospital and kill unarmed civilian.



    This must be after ww2 where the US bombed two cities with nukies and
    fire bombed another city that I believe killed more civilians than the
    nukes did in Japan.

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  • From Ed Lee@21:1/5 to John Doe on Sun Mar 27 13:58:08 2022
    On Sunday, March 27, 2022 at 1:50:53 PM UTC-7, John Doe wrote:
    Ed Lee wrote:

    John Doe wrote:

    That's what Henry Kissinger and other diplomats have said.

    I have seen no one point to respected diplomats who have NOT cautioned
    against NATO expansion to Russia's border countries.

    Russia/China wouldn't be allowed to expand into Mexico or Canada! Free
    country or whatever the rhetoric might be.

    Yes, US would probably invade Mexico. But US military is not allowed to bomb apt/school/hospital and kill unarmed civilian.
    Most civilians have arms.

    Including civilians lining up to buy breads. What are they going to do? Kill Russians with breads?

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  • From John Doe@21:1/5 to Ed Lee on Sun Mar 27 21:01:24 2022
    Ed Lee <edward.ming.lee@gmail.com> wrote:

    John Doe wrote:
    Ed Lee wrote:
    John Doe wrote:

    That's what Henry Kissinger and other diplomats have said.

    I have seen no one point to respected diplomats who have NOT cautioned
    against NATO expansion to Russia's border countries.

    Russia/China wouldn't be allowed to expand into Mexico or Canada! Free
    country or whatever the rhetoric might be.

    Yes, US would probably invade Mexico. But US military is not allowed to
    bomb apt/school/hospital and kill unarmed civilian.

    Most civilians have arms.

    Including civilians lining up to buy breads. What are they going to do?
    Kill Russians with breads?

    That was propaganda.

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  • From Commander Kinsey@21:1/5 to John Doe on Sun Mar 27 22:11:06 2022
    On Sun, 27 Mar 2022 13:43:11 +0100, John Doe <always.look@message.header> wrote:

    I don't understand why we are putting sanctions on Russia. THE SANCTIONS
    ARE HURTING AMERICANS MORE THAN RUSSIA'S INVASION OF UKRAINE HURT
    AMERICANS. Seems lots of people want to hurt Russia more than they want to help their own country.

    And they're hurting the Russian civilians, their price of food has tripled. In a war, aren't you supposed to go after the military, not the civilians? The war crimes being committed here are by the west, not Russia. Buy an I love Russia tshirt from
    Ebay and wear it proudly whenever you go out. It's so funny to hear everyone tutting.

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  • From John Doe@21:1/5 to All on Sun Mar 27 21:03:05 2022
    Anti-Russian jokes...

    Before the war, Russia had the second-best army in the world.
    Now Russia has the second-best army in Ukraine.

    What's the difference between a dollar and a ruble?
    A dollar.

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  • From John Doe@21:1/5 to All on Sun Mar 27 20:49:33 2022
    Russia allegedly pulled back a bit, before taking out fuel depots. For sure, Russia is not going rampant like the reactionary warmongers say, but I have a hunch it might be very limited. Like maybe they will bring Ukraine to its
    knees (where it should be already) without destroying its capital city.

    Bombing its railroads would be a killer, without injury or death.

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  • From whit3rd@21:1/5 to John Doe on Sun Mar 27 14:22:34 2022
    On Sunday, March 27, 2022 at 1:15:50 PM UTC-7, John Doe wrote:

    Russia is taking back a small portion of the territory it gave up in the 1990s, in response to NATO expansion.

    What 'it gave up' is a gift that, unlike a boomerang, does not return. 'response to' claims are rife, but attacking Ukraine has no clear
    connection to NATO expansion, except to fuel new NATO expansion.

    As for 'small portion', the British have a saying: once you pay the danegeld, you're never rid of the Dane. Homes, cities, provinces... who is to say what is 'small'?

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  • From Ralph Mowery@21:1/5 to All on Sun Mar 27 18:11:29 2022
    In article <op.1jpjssarmvhs6z@ryzen.lan>, CK1@nospam.com says...

    And they're hurting the Russian civilians, their price of food has tripled. In a war, aren't you supposed to go after the military, not the civilians? The war crimes being committed here are by the west, not Russia. Buy an I love Russia tshirt from
    Ebay and wear it proudly whenever you go out. It's so funny to hear everyone tutting.



    The way I see it is that everyone in the country involved are targets.
    No such thing as military or civilians. The civilians only 'hire' or
    press into service people to be in the military even if the individual
    does not want to be in the military. In the US the major targets should
    be Congress as they tell our military what to do.

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  • From Cursitor Doom@21:1/5 to always.look@message.header on Sun Mar 27 23:23:26 2022
    On Sun, 27 Mar 2022 20:26:28 -0000 (UTC), John Doe
    <always.look@message.header> wrote:

    That's what Henry Kissinger and other diplomats have said.

    I have seen no one point to respected diplomats who have NOT cautioned >against NATO expansion to Russia's border countries.

    Russia/China wouldn't be allowed to expand into Mexico or Canada!
    Free country or whatever the rhetoric might be.

    You have to wonder why some people just don't get the obvious logic.

    Well, absolutely. I guess some things that are obvious to some are
    completely lost on others. :(

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  • From Cursitor Doom@21:1/5 to edward.ming.lee@gmail.com on Sun Mar 27 23:25:33 2022
    On Sun, 27 Mar 2022 13:42:59 -0700 (PDT), Ed Lee
    <edward.ming.lee@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Sunday, March 27, 2022 at 1:26:34 PM UTC-7, John Doe wrote:
    That's what Henry Kissinger and other diplomats have said.

    I have seen no one point to respected diplomats who have NOT cautioned
    against NATO expansion to Russia's border countries.

    Russia/China wouldn't be allowed to expand into Mexico or Canada!
    Free country or whatever the rhetoric might be.

    Yes, US would probably invade Mexico. But US military is not allowed to bomb apt/school/hospital and kill unarmed civilian.

    I think you meant to say "people like Julian Assange are not allowed
    to expose the US military's bombing of schools/apts/hospitals and
    killing of unarmed civilians."

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  • From Cursitor Doom@21:1/5 to rmowery42@charter.net on Sun Mar 27 23:28:45 2022
    On Sun, 27 Mar 2022 16:59:35 -0400, Ralph Mowery
    <rmowery42@charter.net> wrote:

    In article <e710a2c0-f7fe-45ac-acc7-7b79dec81d6bn@googlegroups.com>, >edward.ming.lee@gmail.com says...

    Yes, US would probably invade Mexico. But US military is not allowed to bomb apt/school/hospital and kill unarmed civilian.



    This must be after ww2 where the US bombed two cities with nukies and
    fire bombed another city that I believe killed more civilians than the
    nukes did in Japan.

    And let's not forget what happened in Viet Nam. :(

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  • From Commander Kinsey@21:1/5 to Ralph Mowery on Sun Mar 27 23:38:11 2022
    On Sun, 27 Mar 2022 23:11:29 +0100, Ralph Mowery <rmowery42@charter.net> wrote:

    In article <op.1jpjssarmvhs6z@ryzen.lan>, CK1@nospam.com says...

    And they're hurting the Russian civilians, their price of food has tripled. In a war, aren't you supposed to go after the military, not the civilians? The war crimes being committed here are by the west, not Russia. Buy an I love Russia tshirt from
    Ebay and wear it proudly whenever you go out. It's so funny to hear everyone
    tutting.

    The way I see it is that everyone in the country involved are targets.
    No such thing as military or civilians.

    How many Russians agree with what Putin is doing? 9 out of 10 Russians I know do not.

    The civilians only 'hire' or
    press into service people to be in the military even if the individual
    does not want to be in the military.

    They do not. They do not make those decisions. Did you decide what your country's military does?

    In the US the major targets should
    be Congress as they tell our military what to do.

    So not you as a civilian then?

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  • From jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com@21:1/5 to rmowery42@charter.net on Sun Mar 27 15:44:16 2022
    On Sun, 27 Mar 2022 16:59:35 -0400, Ralph Mowery
    <rmowery42@charter.net> wrote:

    In article <e710a2c0-f7fe-45ac-acc7-7b79dec81d6bn@googlegroups.com>, >edward.ming.lee@gmail.com says...

    Yes, US would probably invade Mexico. But US military is not allowed to bomb apt/school/hospital and kill unarmed civilian.



    This must be after ww2 where the US bombed two cities with nukies and
    fire bombed another city that I believe killed more civilians than the
    nukes did in Japan.

    It was total war and the Japanese were on a deliberate national
    suicide mission. The nukes shocked them into surrendering and likely
    saved millions of lives.



    --

    I yam what I yam - Popeye

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  • From Sylvia Else@21:1/5 to John Doe on Mon Mar 28 09:42:21 2022
    On 27-Mar-22 11:43 pm, John Doe wrote:
    I don't understand why we are putting sanctions on Russia. THE SANCTIONS
    ARE HURTING AMERICANS MORE THAN RUSSIA'S INVASION OF UKRAINE HURT
    AMERICANS. Seems lots of people want to hurt Russia more than they want to help their own country.

    See it as evidence that Americans don't just think about themselves.
    That's a positive thing.

    Sylvia.

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  • From John Doe@21:1/5 to jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com on Mon Mar 28 00:12:12 2022
    jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:

    Ralph Mowery wrote:
    edward.ming.lee@gmail.com says...

    Yes, US would probably invade Mexico. But US military is not allowed
    to bomb apt/school/hospital and kill unarmed civilian.

    This must be after ww2 where the US bombed two cities with nukies and
    fire bombed another city that I believe killed more civilians than the
    nukes did in Japan.

    It was total war

    As opposed to a "kinder, gentler war"?

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  • From Commander Kinsey@21:1/5 to Ralph Mowery on Mon Mar 28 01:08:30 2022
    On Mon, 28 Mar 2022 00:43:21 +0100, Ralph Mowery <rmowery42@charter.net> wrote:

    In article <op.1jpntxf9mvhs6z@ryzen.lan>, CK1@nospam.com says...
    They do not. They do not make those decisions. Did you decide what your country's military does?

    In the US the major targets should
    be Congress as they tell our military what to do.

    So not you as a civilian then?



    In a small way I decide what the military does. I vote for congress and
    they tell the military what to do. I may just get out voted.

    A civilian only untuil the government tells me I am in the military even
    if I do not want to be. In a way that is part of what the 2nd ammendment says.

    The point is you probably don't agree with what your government's military does. So an enemy of the USA shouldn't be killing you, since you aren't the one waging the war.

    Think of it on a smaller scale. In the company you work for, one of your colleagues kills my brother. Should I take revenge by blowing up the whole company and killing you too? Or just go after the guy that did it?

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  • From John Doe@21:1/5 to Sylvia Else on Mon Mar 28 00:10:20 2022
    Sylvia Else wrote:

    John Doe wrote:

    I don't understand why we are putting sanctions on Russia. THE SANCTIONS
    ARE HURTING AMERICANS MORE THAN RUSSIA'S INVASION OF UKRAINE HURT
    AMERICANS. Seems lots of people want to hurt Russia more than they want to >> help their own country.

    See it as evidence that Americans don't just think about themselves.
    That's a positive thing.

    Apparently about 99% of the people who think Ukraine is The Holy Land also
    hate Donald Trump. I see it as evidence of politics, imperialism, the New
    World Order, warmongering, passive-aggressiveness, propaganda, etc.

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  • From Ralph Mowery@21:1/5 to All on Sun Mar 27 19:43:21 2022
    In article <op.1jpntxf9mvhs6z@ryzen.lan>, CK1@nospam.com says...
    They do not. They do not make those decisions. Did you decide what your country's military does?

    In the US the major targets should
    be Congress as they tell our military what to do.

    So not you as a civilian then?



    In a small way I decide what the military does. I vote for congress and
    they tell the military what to do. I may just get out voted.

    A civilian only untuil the government tells me I am in the military even
    if I do not want to be. In a way that is part of what the 2nd ammendment
    says.

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  • From Gerhard Hoffmann@21:1/5 to All on Mon Mar 28 02:23:07 2022
    Am 27.03.22 um 22:42 schrieb Ed Lee:
    On Sunday, March 27, 2022 at 1:26:34 PM UTC-7, John Doe wrote:
    That's what Henry Kissinger and other diplomats have said.

    I have seen no one point to respected diplomats who have NOT cautioned
    against NATO expansion to Russia's border countries.

    Russia/China wouldn't be allowed to expand into Mexico or Canada!
    Free country or whatever the rhetoric might be.

    Yes, US would probably invade Mexico. But US military is not allowed to bomb apt/school/hospital and kill unarmed civilian.

    My Lai.

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  • From Gerhard Hoffmann@21:1/5 to All on Mon Mar 28 03:18:12 2022
    Am 28.03.22 um 00:44 schrieb jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com:
    On Sun, 27 Mar 2022 16:59:35 -0400, Ralph Mowery
    <rmowery42@charter.net> wrote:

    In article <e710a2c0-f7fe-45ac-acc7-7b79dec81d6bn@googlegroups.com>,
    edward.ming.lee@gmail.com says...

    Yes, US would probably invade Mexico. But US military is not allowed to bomb apt/school/hospital and kill unarmed civilian.



    This must be after ww2 where the US bombed two cities with nukies and
    fire bombed another city that I believe killed more civilians than the
    nukes did in Japan.

    It was total war and the Japanese were on a deliberate national
    suicide mission. The nukes shocked them into surrendering and likely
    saved millions of lives.

    What a shit. There were razed out civilian towns in Japan
    by the dozens, just by conventional means, aka Dresden style.
    (Dresden as witnessed by the mother of my ex, not that
    I like her too much).

    H and N were just another 2 towns. Just more efficient.
    And the only question to be solved was just if the Tenno
    would be a war criminal or remain god.

    The Japanese had the irrational hope that Stalin might act
    as a mediator. They gave up within hours when Stalin took
    some of their islands instead, STILL discussed by diplomates
    in Moscow as of last week.

    Where should the millions of lives be saved that you talk about?
    Brave American bomber pilots? Impending Japanese invasion in SF?
    Or even more Japanese civilians? Yes, extraordinary crimes
    require extraordinary justification attempts.

    Or was it more to impress Stalin, who was no longer a friend
    in the European theatre?

    Gerhard

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  • From Phil Allison@21:1/5 to Ralph Mowery on Sun Mar 27 18:16:21 2022
    Ralph Mowery wrote:
    ===================


    Yes, US would probably invade Mexico. But US military is not allowed to bomb apt/school/hospital and kill unarmed civilian.


    This must be after ww2 where the US bombed two cities with nukies and
    fire bombed another city that I believe killed more civilians than the
    nukes did in Japan.

    ** That would be Tokyo.
    Firebombed by 300 or so B29s flying at low level .
    Nips didn't bat an eye lid over it.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bombing_of_Tokyo

    About 50% of the population were involved in the war effort.
    So a legit target.
    Same goes for German cities.

    Nothing quite like it has existed since.


    ...... Phil

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  • From Anthony William Sloman@21:1/5 to Cursitor Doom on Sun Mar 27 18:38:20 2022
    On Monday, March 28, 2022 at 4:25:47 AM UTC+11, Cursitor Doom wrote:
    On Sun, 27 Mar 2022 07:24:30 -0700 (PDT), Ed Lee
    <edward....@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Sunday, March 27, 2022 at 7:19:05 AM UTC-7, John Doe wrote:
    Rickster <gnuarm.del...@gmail.com> wrote:

    John Doe wrote:

    <snip>

    Then explain.

    Because Russian military bombs/kills/murders unarmed civilian like you and me. That's hardly non-aggressive.

    The Russians didn't have any choice.

    Really?

    Any country under threat has to draw the line somewhere.

    The threat seems to have been that the Ukraine had a fairly honest and democratic governments who were getting rid of the corrupt practices that are endemic in Russia under Putin. Putin and his government saw this as an existential threat.

    It's unfortunate, but it was foreseeable and preventable.

    Sure. Putin should have been voted out, and him and his kleptomatic adminstration tried, prosecuted and stripped of their ill-gotten gains

    The fault lies with us on this occasion.

    We didn't work how to get this to happen?

    Trump would never have let things get so far out of whack.

    Trump wanted the USA to get into the same state. He was a whole lot less competent than Putin, and got voted out long before he could start getting away with anything really profitable.

    Instead you have a re-animated corpse just pouring gas on the fire and needlessly upping the stakes for everyone. :(

    Biden isn't any kind of reanimated corpse. He hasn't ever been a corpse, for a start. He is less sympathetic than Trump to Putin's ambition to find new populations to exploit, but so is pretty much every democratically elected leader.

    This doesn't count as "pouring gas on the fire". It's more about getting the world into a state were criminal regimes get dismantled and replaced.

    Cursitor Doom doesn't understand this idea at all. He prefers simpler narratives, uncomplicated by real-world content.

    Russia Today does serve them up to him.

    --
    Bill Sloman, Sydney

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  • From jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com@21:1/5 to All on Sun Mar 27 18:40:03 2022
    On Mon, 28 Mar 2022 03:18:12 +0200, Gerhard Hoffmann <dk4xp@arcor.de>
    wrote:

    Am 28.03.22 um 00:44 schrieb jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com:
    On Sun, 27 Mar 2022 16:59:35 -0400, Ralph Mowery
    <rmowery42@charter.net> wrote:

    In article <e710a2c0-f7fe-45ac-acc7-7b79dec81d6bn@googlegroups.com>,
    edward.ming.lee@gmail.com says...

    Yes, US would probably invade Mexico. But US military is not allowed to bomb apt/school/hospital and kill unarmed civilian.



    This must be after ww2 where the US bombed two cities with nukies and
    fire bombed another city that I believe killed more civilians than the
    nukes did in Japan.

    It was total war and the Japanese were on a deliberate national
    suicide mission. The nukes shocked them into surrendering and likely
    saved millions of lives.

    What a shit. There were razed out civilian towns in Japan
    by the dozens, just by conventional means, aka Dresden style.
    (Dresden as witnessed by the mother of my ex, not that
    I like her too much).

    H and N were just another 2 towns. Just more efficient.
    And the only question to be solved was just if the Tenno
    would be a war criminal or remain god.

    The Japanese had the irrational hope that Stalin might act
    as a mediator. They gave up within hours when Stalin took
    some of their islands instead, STILL discussed by diplomates
    in Moscow as of last week.

    Where should the millions of lives be saved that you talk about?

    Further deaths in battle, in the streets of Japan. And starvation of
    the Japanese population.

    Japan was on a suicide mission. Die for the Emperor.



    --

    I yam what I yam - Popeye

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  • From Phil Allison@21:1/5 to All on Sun Mar 27 19:05:11 2022
    Gerhard Hoffmann wrote:
    ======================

    ** Have you studied any WW2 history at all ???

    Cos your pig ignorance is fucking staggering.




    ..... Phil

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  • From Anthony William Sloman@21:1/5 to John Doe on Sun Mar 27 19:13:47 2022
    On Monday, March 28, 2022 at 7:22:03 AM UTC+11, John Doe wrote:
    Ed Lee <edward....@gmail.com> wrote:

    Yes, they can want and enforce that within their border.
    I don't know about your country, but... If Russia were meddling in Mexico
    or Canada, we would be there.
    They have to be careful, because Ukraine is a critical path of their
    Belt and Road. If China is too friendly to Russia, belt might be cut
    and road might be blocked.
    What???

    Speaking of roads. Now that Ukraine no longer has access to the sea, it
    wants to use railroads to transport grain (its major industry), but what
    if Russia decides to take out its railroads...

    Russian citizens are doing very well compared to many Ukrainian citizens
    (gas prices have dropped), including the millions who have left. Too bad their leaders are too stupid to make a deal.

    John Doe is too stupid to realise the defects of the "deals" the Russians have offered so far.

    --
    Bill Sloman, Sydney

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  • From Anthony William Sloman@21:1/5 to jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com on Sun Mar 27 19:11:21 2022
    On Monday, March 28, 2022 at 4:54:46 AM UTC+11, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
    On Sun, 27 Mar 2022 10:35:36 -0700 (PDT), Ed Lee <edward....@gmail.com> wrote:
    On Sunday, March 27, 2022 at 10:25:47 AM UTC-7, Cursitor Doom wrote:
    On Sun, 27 Mar 2022 07:24:30 -0700 (PDT), Ed Lee <edward....@gmail.com> wrote:
    On Sunday, March 27, 2022 at 7:19:05 AM UTC-7, John Doe wrote:
    Rickster <gnuarm.del...@gmail.com> wrote:

    <snip>

    Under what threat? Being driven out of another country?
    Ukraine, a former Soviet puppet colony, is a democracy with an increasingly european culture.

    Ukraine is an independent country with a long history. It's current borders don't have a long history - there was an empire centered on the modern Ukraine and Russia from about 882 AD, which became part of the Polish-Lithuanian empire somewhat later. In
    1648 the Cossacks revolted, but had to rely on Russian help from 1654, and ended up partitioned between Russia and Poland.

    In 1921, the Ukrainian Soviet Socialist Republic was formed as part of the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics - which is to say it was never a Russian colony

    That is a threat to the Russian language, alphabet, culture, and tradition of despotic mass-murdering dictators-for-life.

    Except that the Ukraine isn't Russian, and never much liked being part of the USSR - even less so after the 1932-33 famine.

    <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holodomor>

    Nostalgia for Stalin.

    Not in the Ukraine.

    The Russian culture, or roughly half of it, still wants that.

    It doesn't seem to, but we aren't talking about Russia, but the Ukraine, where nostalgia for Stalin is nonexistent.,

    Part of the price Russia will pay is brain drain. That will make the rest of the population yet more tribal.

    Probably not.

    I wonder what China really wants to do here.

    I suspect that China is asking itself the same question. If it wants to ingratiate itself with foreign countries, it wouldn't be a good idea to look sympathetic to a Russian land-grab.

    --
    Bill Sloman, Sydney

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  • From Anthony William Sloman@21:1/5 to John Doe on Sun Mar 27 19:36:45 2022
    On Monday, March 28, 2022 at 7:49:40 AM UTC+11, John Doe wrote:
    Russia allegedly pulled back a bit, before taking out fuel depots.

    It may not be losing the war, but it certainly hasn't won it. They do seem to have realised that they have been trying to bite off more than they can chew, and are starting to scale down their ambitions

    For sure, Russia is not going rampant like the reactionary warmongers say,

    Launching an invasion and using bombing and shelling to reduce a number of cities to rubble is pretty close to being about as rampant as you can get. John Doe keeps wondering why they don't use nuclear weapons, which does remind us just how stupid he us.

    but I have a hunch it might be very limited.

    They haven't won anything significant yet, so Ukraine's defense has limited them quite severely.

    Like maybe they will bring Ukraine to its knees (where it should be already) without destroying its capital city.

    Why should the Ukraine be n it's knees already? John Doe does seem to think that it isn't mounting an effective defense but the phrase "does seem to think" implies that John Doe could think, which is obviously false

    Bombing its railroads would be a killer, without injury or death.

    They don't stay bombed for long, unless you systematically kill off the repair crews. John Doe hasn't got any grasp of reality.

    --
    Bill Sloman. Sydney

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  • From Anthony William Sloman@21:1/5 to John Doe on Sun Mar 27 19:25:11 2022
    On Monday, March 28, 2022 at 7:26:34 AM UTC+11, John Doe wrote:
    Cursitor Doom <c...@notformail.com> wrote:

    <snipped Cursitor Doom being as silly as ever>

    That's what Henry Kissinger and other diplomats have said.

    But not recently. And John Doe doesn't show much sign of understanding what they actually said, which didn't have much to do with Cursitor Doom's lunacies.

    I have seen no one point to respected diplomats who have NOT cautioned against NATO expansion to Russia's border countries.

    That was before Russia got busy demonstrating that Russia's border countries needed all the protection that they could get from mutual defense agreements against invasion by Russia.

    Russia/China wouldn't be allowed to expand into Mexico or Canada!

    NATO is a mutual defense organisation. The USA didn't expanded into Europe when NATO was formed.

    Free country or whatever the rhetoric might be.

    You have to wonder why some people just don't get the obvious logic.

    John Doe's capacity to see logical connections seems to be nonexistent, and his capacity to swallow Putin's propaganda demonstrates complete gullibility.

    --
    Bill Sloman, Sydney

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  • From Anthony William Sloman@21:1/5 to Cursitor Doom on Sun Mar 27 19:42:43 2022
    On Monday, March 28, 2022 at 9:23:33 AM UTC+11, Cursitor Doom wrote:
    On Sun, 27 Mar 2022 20:26:28 -0000 (UTC), John Doe
    <alway...@message.header> wrote:

    That's what Henry Kissinger and other diplomats have said.

    I have seen no one point to respected diplomats who have NOT cautioned >against NATO expansion to Russia's border countries.

    Russia/China wouldn't be allowed to expand into Mexico or Canada!
    Free country or whatever the rhetoric might be.

    You have to wonder why some people just don't get the obvious logic.

    Because it is fatuous nonsense?

    Well, absolutely. I guess some things that are obvious to some are completely lost on others. :(

    Stuff which is "obvious" to people silly enough to read and believe what Russian Today tells them looks like fatuous nonsense to people who aren't gullible idiots.

    --
    Bill Sloman, Sydney

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  • From Gerhard Hoffmann@21:1/5 to All on Mon Mar 28 04:49:26 2022
    Am 28.03.22 um 03:40 schrieb jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com:

    Where should the millions of lives be saved that you talk about?

    Further deaths in battle, in the streets of Japan. And starvation of
    the Japanese population.

    Nuke them. Otherwise they might starve to death.

    Gerhard

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  • From Anthony William Sloman@21:1/5 to palli...@gmail.com on Sun Mar 27 19:58:43 2022
    On Monday, March 28, 2022 at 1:05:15 PM UTC+11, palli...@gmail.com wrote:
    Gerhard Hoffmann wrote:
    ======================

    ** Have you studied any WW2 history at all ???

    Cos your pig ignorance is fucking staggering.

    Phill hasn't bothered to point out where Gerhard Hoffmann got anything wrong. I've got no idea what Phil might think that he had got wrong. Phil does seem to be off his meds, so there not a lot of point in wondering what he might have had in what's
    left of his mind.

    --
    Bill Sloman, Sydney

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  • From Anthony William Sloman@21:1/5 to John Doe on Sun Mar 27 19:51:14 2022
    On Monday, March 28, 2022 at 11:10:27 AM UTC+11, John Doe wrote:
    Sylvia Else wrote:

    John Doe wrote:

    I don't understand why we are putting sanctions on Russia. THE SANCTIONS >> ARE HURTING AMERICANS MORE THAN RUSSIA'S INVASION OF UKRAINE HURT
    AMERICANS. Seems lots of people want to hurt Russia more than they want to >> help their own country.

    See it as evidence that Americans don't just think about themselves.
    That's a positive thing.

    Apparently about 99% of the people who think Ukraine is The Holy Land also hate Donald Trump.

    Since nobody thinks of the Ukraine as The Holy Land, this is John Doe talking about figments of his diseased imagination, as usual.

    Pretty much nobody bothers to hate Donald Trump. Pretty much everybody with any sense despises him, but he's an ineffectual windbag, so it's not worth hating him.

    I see it as evidence of politics, imperialism, the New World Order, warmongering, passive-aggressiveness, propaganda, etc.

    John Doe's vision of the world merely reflects his terminal stupidity. He is a moron and has very silly ideas.

    --
    Bill Sloman, Sydney

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  • From Phil Allison@21:1/5 to Gerhard Hoffmann Child on Sun Mar 27 20:29:46 2022
    Gerhard Hoffmann Child wrote:
    =========================

    Where should the millions of lives be saved that you talk about?

    Further deaths in battle, in the streets of Japan. And starvation of
    the Japanese population.

    Nuke them. Otherwise they might starve to death.


    ** Ok, so you have done no reading at all.

    You could start with Wiki and follow the links.
    Till you have - SHUT the FUCK UP !!



    ...... Phil

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  • From Anthony William Sloman@21:1/5 to palli...@gmail.com on Sun Mar 27 20:55:21 2022
    On Monday, March 28, 2022 at 2:29:49 PM UTC+11, palli...@gmail.com wrote:
    Gerhard Hoffmann Child wrote:
    =========================

    Where should the millions of lives be saved that you talk about?

    Further deaths in battle, in the streets of Japan. And starvation of
    the Japanese population.

    Nuke them. Otherwise they might starve to death.

    ** Ok, so you have done no reading at all.

    You could start with Wiki and follow the links.
    Till you have - SHUT the FUCK UP !!

    Phil doesn't seem to have done the reading he should have done - too much Sky/Fox News and not enough of anything reliable.

    --
    Bill Sloman, Sydney

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  • From David Eather@21:1/5 to All on Mon Mar 28 16:25:40 2022
    I found something (two facts) that helped put the nuclear bombings in perspective. It was believed by the US that and invasion of the home
    lands would take 12 months at least to defeat Japan if it was even possible.

    Unrelated in 1945 the Japanese were killing about 10 thousand civilians
    PER MONTH in the territories they occupied.

    So 3 months to prepare for an invasion, 12 months of fighting would be
    about 150,000 civilian casualties in the Japanese occupied territories.
    That's a lot of reasons to accept the bomb drops as a necessary evil
    (plus add Japanese and US losses during an invasion)

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  • From David Eather@21:1/5 to John Doe on Mon Mar 28 16:37:08 2022
    On 28/03/2022 6:38 am, John Doe wrote:
    Speaking of less advanced civilizations, I have been getting a good look
    at Ukraine.

    Busy intersections without streetlights or stop signs... And it snows
    there!

    I'm pretty sure Ukraine is full of natural resources, but Russia looks
    more advanced, so where is the money going...

    ...





    John Doe <always.look@message.header> wrote:

    jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:

    That will make the rest of the population yet more tribal.

    They are tougher than Westerners, they might be less sophisticated, but
    our population is getting really weird.

    Ukraine was a sovereign country with hundreds of years of history. It
    was invaded in 1917 by the Soviets. So not actually "always a part of
    Russia" like Putler would claim. And I think Ukraine more than paid for
    it's freedom when The Soviets stole their grain in the 1930's and
    starved 20 million Ukrainians to death.

    That also so the even handedness and respect the Soviets showed and show
    to Ukraine.

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  • From Phil Allison@21:1/5 to David Eather on Mon Mar 28 04:04:44 2022
    David Eather wrote:
    ================

    I found something (two facts) that helped put the nuclear bombings in perspective. It was believed by the US that and invasion of the home
    lands would take 12 months at least to defeat Japan if it was even possible.

    Unrelated in 1945 the Japanese were killing about 10 thousand civilians
    PER MONTH in the territories they occupied.

    So 3 months to prepare for an invasion, 12 months of fighting would be
    about 150,000 civilian casualties in the Japanese occupied territories.

    That's a lot of reasons to accept the bomb drops as a necessary evil
    (plus add Japanese and US losses during an invasion)


    ** Another factor US leaders had to consider was potential consequences of NOT using their nukes.

    US parents would naturally ask why, after spending *massive funds* on developing the things,
    they were not used to end the war quickly so saving the lives of hundreds of thousands of their young
    son's lives.

    Japanese had consistently shown ZERO respect for any and all human life throughout the war THEY started.
    Check out the: " Rape of Nanking " for some disturbing bedtime reading.

    The events around that time are so horrific & shameful that Japan has pretty much eradicated them from history books.
    Heaps of young and many Japanese adults have no clue about the CRIMINAL role their country played in WW2.

    Huge credit goes to the US for treating Japanese citizens with full respect soon as fighting ceased.
    Japan was rebuilt, fast as possible, with local officials kept in place as before hostilities began.
    The only land taken over permanently was that needed to bury US dead.


    ..... Phil

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  • From Joe Gwinn@21:1/5 to All on Mon Mar 28 11:51:53 2022
    On Sun, 27 Mar 2022 18:40:03 -0700, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com
    wrote:

    On Mon, 28 Mar 2022 03:18:12 +0200, Gerhard Hoffmann <dk4xp@arcor.de>
    wrote:

    Am 28.03.22 um 00:44 schrieb jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com:
    On Sun, 27 Mar 2022 16:59:35 -0400, Ralph Mowery
    <rmowery42@charter.net> wrote:

    In article <e710a2c0-f7fe-45ac-acc7-7b79dec81d6bn@googlegroups.com>,
    edward.ming.lee@gmail.com says...

    Yes, US would probably invade Mexico. But US military is not allowed to bomb apt/school/hospital and kill unarmed civilian.



    This must be after ww2 where the US bombed two cities with nukies and
    fire bombed another city that I believe killed more civilians than the >>>> nukes did in Japan.

    It was total war and the Japanese were on a deliberate national
    suicide mission. The nukes shocked them into surrendering and likely
    saved millions of lives.

    What a shit. There were razed out civilian towns in Japan
    by the dozens, just by conventional means, aka Dresden style.
    (Dresden as witnessed by the mother of my ex, not that
    I like her too much).

    H and N were just another 2 towns. Just more efficient.
    And the only question to be solved was just if the Tenno
    would be a war criminal or remain god.

    The Japanese had the irrational hope that Stalin might act
    as a mediator. They gave up within hours when Stalin took
    some of their islands instead, STILL discussed by diplomates
    in Moscow as of last week.

    Where should the millions of lives be saved that you talk about?

    Further deaths in battle, in the streets of Japan. And starvation of
    the Japanese population.

    Yes. Let us analyze this from the standpoint of the Japanese
    population.

    The US and allies were going to invade the mainland islands of Japan,
    and the Japanese military was going to fight to the death trying to
    stop the invaders. In total, millions of soldiers of both sides would
    die in the clashes, based on estimates from the US campaign to eject
    the Japanese from the Pacific islands.

    In round numbers, Japan has the population of the US crammed into an
    area about that of the US state of California. Japan's food
    production is just big enough to sustain the population in ordinary
    times, from time to time there were notable famines caused by bad
    weather.

    Having two large armies fighting to the death in Japan will pretty
    much prevent farming and fishing, and so is guaranteed to cause a
    major famine while laying Japan waste, likely killing a factor more
    ordinary people than soldiers. Tens of millions at the very least.

    The total killed in Hiroshima and Nagasaki is estimates to be at most
    226,000 people.

    The Japanese knew immediately that the weapon had to be atomic, and
    when Nagasaki was hit, they knew that the US had more than one such
    bomb, and so could continue using such bombs.

    It was this that convinced the Emperor to overrule his military,
    ending WW2, preventing the physical destruction of much of Japan.

    So, the atomic bomb was a very good deal for the Japanese population.

    Joe Gwinn

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  • From John Doe@21:1/5 to All on Mon Mar 28 17:08:33 2022
    Bozo doesn't even know what a dog is.


    Bozo Bill Sloman, the most frequent troll in this group, is an attention-craving chronic liar who cannot be reasoned with...

    "the Mueller investigation was about Trump only because Trump made it so"
    (Bozo paraphrased)

    "the concepts "male" and "female" are essentially social constructions"
    (Bill Sloman)

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  • From John Larkin@21:1/5 to All on Mon Mar 28 11:23:57 2022
    On Mon, 28 Mar 2022 11:51:53 -0400, Joe Gwinn <joegwinn@comcast.net>
    wrote:

    On Sun, 27 Mar 2022 18:40:03 -0700, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com
    wrote:

    On Mon, 28 Mar 2022 03:18:12 +0200, Gerhard Hoffmann <dk4xp@arcor.de> >>wrote:

    Am 28.03.22 um 00:44 schrieb jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com:
    On Sun, 27 Mar 2022 16:59:35 -0400, Ralph Mowery
    <rmowery42@charter.net> wrote:

    In article <e710a2c0-f7fe-45ac-acc7-7b79dec81d6bn@googlegroups.com>, >>>>> edward.ming.lee@gmail.com says...

    Yes, US would probably invade Mexico. But US military is not allowed to bomb apt/school/hospital and kill unarmed civilian.



    This must be after ww2 where the US bombed two cities with nukies and >>>>> fire bombed another city that I believe killed more civilians than the >>>>> nukes did in Japan.

    It was total war and the Japanese were on a deliberate national
    suicide mission. The nukes shocked them into surrendering and likely
    saved millions of lives.

    What a shit. There were razed out civilian towns in Japan
    by the dozens, just by conventional means, aka Dresden style.
    (Dresden as witnessed by the mother of my ex, not that
    I like her too much).

    H and N were just another 2 towns. Just more efficient.
    And the only question to be solved was just if the Tenno
    would be a war criminal or remain god.

    The Japanese had the irrational hope that Stalin might act
    as a mediator. They gave up within hours when Stalin took
    some of their islands instead, STILL discussed by diplomates
    in Moscow as of last week.

    Where should the millions of lives be saved that you talk about?

    Further deaths in battle, in the streets of Japan. And starvation of
    the Japanese population.

    Yes. Let us analyze this from the standpoint of the Japanese
    population.

    The US and allies were going to invade the mainland islands of Japan,
    and the Japanese military was going to fight to the death trying to
    stop the invaders. In total, millions of soldiers of both sides would
    die in the clashes, based on estimates from the US campaign to eject
    the Japanese from the Pacific islands.


    Civilians were training to fight american invaders with sharpened
    sticks. Kids were going on suicide missions.

    Our option was to keep bombing and/or starve the population to death.

    The suicide mentality is described here:

    https://www.amazon.com/Glorious-Way-Die-Kamikaze-Battleship/dp/1557049130



    In round numbers, Japan has the population of the US crammed into an
    area about that of the US state of California. Japan's food
    production is just big enough to sustain the population in ordinary
    times, from time to time there were notable famines caused by bad
    weather.

    Having two large armies fighting to the death in Japan will pretty
    much prevent farming and fishing, and so is guaranteed to cause a
    major famine while laying Japan waste, likely killing a factor more
    ordinary people than soldiers. Tens of millions at the very least.

    The total killed in Hiroshima and Nagasaki is estimates to be at most
    226,000 people.

    The Japanese knew immediately that the weapon had to be atomic, and
    when Nagasaki was hit, they knew that the US had more than one such
    bomb, and so could continue using such bombs.

    Actually, we used up all the fissile material available on those two.
    The uranium bomb was not even tested. It would have been some time
    before we could have made more bombs.


    It was this that convinced the Emperor to overrule his military,
    ending WW2, preventing the physical destruction of much of Japan.

    So, the atomic bomb was a very good deal for the Japanese population.

    Sad, true.


    Joe Gwinn
    --

    If a man will begin with certainties, he shall end with doubts,
    but if he will be content to begin with doubts he shall end in certainties. Francis Bacon

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  • From Joe Gwinn@21:1/5 to jlarkin@highland_atwork_technology. on Mon Mar 28 16:52:04 2022
    On Mon, 28 Mar 2022 11:23:57 -0700, John Larkin <jlarkin@highland_atwork_technology.com> wrote:

    On Mon, 28 Mar 2022 11:51:53 -0400, Joe Gwinn <joegwinn@comcast.net>
    wrote:

    On Sun, 27 Mar 2022 18:40:03 -0700, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com >>wrote:

    On Mon, 28 Mar 2022 03:18:12 +0200, Gerhard Hoffmann <dk4xp@arcor.de> >>>wrote:

    Am 28.03.22 um 00:44 schrieb jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com:
    On Sun, 27 Mar 2022 16:59:35 -0400, Ralph Mowery
    <rmowery42@charter.net> wrote:

    In article <e710a2c0-f7fe-45ac-acc7-7b79dec81d6bn@googlegroups.com>, >>>>>> edward.ming.lee@gmail.com says...

    Yes, US would probably invade Mexico. But US military is not allowed to bomb apt/school/hospital and kill unarmed civilian.



    This must be after ww2 where the US bombed two cities with nukies and >>>>>> fire bombed another city that I believe killed more civilians than the >>>>>> nukes did in Japan.

    It was total war and the Japanese were on a deliberate national
    suicide mission. The nukes shocked them into surrendering and likely >>>>> saved millions of lives.

    What a shit. There were razed out civilian towns in Japan
    by the dozens, just by conventional means, aka Dresden style.
    (Dresden as witnessed by the mother of my ex, not that
    I like her too much).

    H and N were just another 2 towns. Just more efficient.
    And the only question to be solved was just if the Tenno
    would be a war criminal or remain god.

    The Japanese had the irrational hope that Stalin might act
    as a mediator. They gave up within hours when Stalin took
    some of their islands instead, STILL discussed by diplomates
    in Moscow as of last week.

    Where should the millions of lives be saved that you talk about?

    Further deaths in battle, in the streets of Japan. And starvation of
    the Japanese population.

    Yes. Let us analyze this from the standpoint of the Japanese
    population.

    The US and allies were going to invade the mainland islands of Japan,
    and the Japanese military was going to fight to the death trying to
    stop the invaders. In total, millions of soldiers of both sides would
    die in the clashes, based on estimates from the US campaign to eject
    the Japanese from the Pacific islands.


    Civilians were training to fight american invaders with sharpened
    sticks. Kids were going on suicide missions.

    Our option was to keep bombing and/or starve the population to death.

    The suicide mentality is described here:

    <https://www.amazon.com/Glorious-Way-Die-Kamikaze-Battleship/dp/1557049130>

    Looks very interesting. And telling.

    And chilling. We paid in blood for each and every square inch of
    those pacific islands. As did the Japanese.


    In round numbers, Japan has the population of the US crammed into an
    area about that of the US state of California. Japan's food
    production is just big enough to sustain the population in ordinary
    times; from time to time there were notable famines caused by bad
    weather.

    Having two large armies fighting to the death in Japan will pretty
    much prevent farming and fishing, and so is guaranteed to cause a
    major famine while laying Japan waste, likely killing a factor more >>ordinary people than soldiers. Tens of millions at the very least.

    The total killed in Hiroshima and Nagasaki is estimated to be at most >>226,000 people.

    The Japanese knew immediately that the weapon had to be atomic, and
    when Nagasaki was hit, they knew that the US had more than one such
    bomb, and so could continue using such bombs.

    Actually, we used up all the fissile material available on those two.
    The uranium bomb was not even tested. It would have been some time
    before we could have made more bombs.

    True, but you must not expose the secret.

    I bet Stalin knew, but he never shared this with Japan.

    And it would only delay the inevitable.


    It was this that convinced the Emperor to overrule his military,
    ending WW2, preventing the physical destruction of much of Japan.

    So, the atomic bomb was a very good deal for the Japanese population.

    Sad, true.

    Yes.

    And the Japanese are not trying to re-create their Greater
    Co-Prosperity Sphere any more.

    .<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greater_East_Asia_Co-Prosperity_Sphere>


    Joe Gwinn

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  • From wmartin@21:1/5 to Phil Allison on Mon Mar 28 13:59:22 2022
    On 3/28/22 04:04, Phil Allison wrote:
    David Eather wrote:
    ================

    I found something (two facts) that helped put the nuclear bombings in
    perspective. It was believed by the US that and invasion of the home
    lands would take 12 months at least to defeat Japan if it was even possible. >>
    Unrelated in 1945 the Japanese were killing about 10 thousand civilians
    PER MONTH in the territories they occupied.

    So 3 months to prepare for an invasion, 12 months of fighting would be
    about 150,000 civilian casualties in the Japanese occupied territories.

    That's a lot of reasons to accept the bomb drops as a necessary evil
    (plus add Japanese and US losses during an invasion)


    ** Another factor US leaders had to consider was potential consequences of NOT using their nukes.

    US parents would naturally ask why, after spending *massive funds* on developing the things,
    they were not used to end the war quickly so saving the lives of hundreds of thousands of their young
    son's lives.

    Japanese had consistently shown ZERO respect for any and all human life throughout the war THEY started.
    Check out the: " Rape of Nanking " for some disturbing bedtime reading.

    The events around that time are so horrific & shameful that Japan has pretty much eradicated them from history books.
    Heaps of young and many Japanese adults have no clue about the CRIMINAL role their country played in WW2.

    Huge credit goes to the US for treating Japanese citizens with full respect soon as fighting ceased.
    Japan was rebuilt, fast as possible, with local officials kept in place as before hostilities began.
    The only land taken over permanently was that needed to bury US dead.


    ..... Phil



    Pretty much exactly correct, BUT...
    What about the US military bases in Japan? Those are, ceded by treaty,
    American soil, as permanent as one can get. I'm not objecting...those
    lease deals suck, ask the Brits. !
    Bill



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  • From Mike Monett@21:1/5 to John Larkin on Mon Mar 28 22:32:01 2022
    John Larkin <jlarkin@highland_atwork_technology.com> wrote:

    On Mon, 28 Mar 2022 11:51:53 -0400, Joe Gwinn <joegwinn@comcast.net>
    wrote:

    [...]

    The Japanese knew immediately that the weapon had to be atomic, and
    when Nagasaki was hit, they knew that the US had more than one such
    bomb, and so could continue using such bombs.

    Actually, we used up all the fissile material available on those two.
    The uranium bomb was not even tested. It would have been some time
    before we could have made more bombs.

    There was a third core, nicnamed the Demon Core. It was intended for use in Japan if the first two failed to force surrender:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hK9yAYJGeUY



    --
    MRM

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  • From John Doe@21:1/5 to All on Mon Mar 28 22:42:46 2022
    This looks like a BIG if not HUGE story the media is not focusing on.

    Just search Google for...

    Russia (gas OR oil) Rubles

    Russia says European countries who are arming its enemy (Ukraine) must pay
    for Russian oil and gas in Rubles. Those countries are refusing to do so, citing "unfairness" and "breach of contract".

    I wonder how easy it is to turn off those pipes.

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  • From Phil Allison@21:1/5 to John Larkin on Mon Mar 28 16:16:25 2022
    John Larkin wrote:
    ================

    The total killed in Hiroshima and Nagasaki is estimates to be at most >226,000 people.

    The Japanese knew immediately that the weapon had to be atomic, and
    when Nagasaki was hit, they knew that the US had more than one such
    bomb, and so could continue using such bombs.

    Actually, we used up all the fissile material available on those two.
    The uranium bomb was not even tested. It would have been some time
    before we could have made more bombs.

    ** On line source say otherwise.

    A third nuke was nearly ready at the time and more would be available in a month or so.
    A lack of targets worth hitting was a bigger issue, due to extensive conventional bombing.

    BTW

    B29s had to be re-built to carry nukes.
    Multiple 1000lb bombs were normally carried forward and behind the wing that ran through the middle of the fuselage.
    OTOH, nukes were huge so needed to go where the wing structure prevented ie on the C of G.


    ..... Phil

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  • From David Eather@21:1/5 to Phil Allison on Tue Mar 29 09:41:34 2022
    On 28/03/2022 9:04 pm, Phil Allison wrote:
    David Eather wrote:
    ================

    I found something (two facts) that helped put the nuclear bombings in
    perspective. It was believed by the US that and invasion of the home
    lands would take 12 months at least to defeat Japan if it was even possible. >>
    Unrelated in 1945 the Japanese were killing about 10 thousand civilians
    PER MONTH in the territories they occupied.

    So 3 months to prepare for an invasion, 12 months of fighting would be
    about 150,000 civilian casualties in the Japanese occupied territories.

    That's a lot of reasons to accept the bomb drops as a necessary evil
    (plus add Japanese and US losses during an invasion)


    ** Another factor US leaders had to consider was potential consequences of NOT using their nukes.

    US parents would naturally ask why, after spending *massive funds* on developing the things,
    they were not used to end the war quickly so saving the lives of hundreds of thousands of their young
    son's lives.

    Japanese had consistently shown ZERO respect for any and all human life throughout the war THEY started.
    Check out the: " Rape of Nanking " for some disturbing bedtime reading.

    The events around that time are so horrific & shameful that Japan has pretty much eradicated them from history books.
    Heaps of young and many Japanese adults have no clue about the CRIMINAL role their country played in WW2.

    Huge credit goes to the US for treating Japanese citizens with full respect soon as fighting ceased.
    Japan was rebuilt, fast as possible, with local officials kept in place as before hostilities began.
    The only land taken over permanently was that needed to bury US dead.


    ..... Phil






    Absolutely.

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  • From David Eather@21:1/5 to All on Tue Mar 29 09:48:14 2022
    Just thinking...

    If John Doe is a sock puppet for putler he is a very bad one. His
    illogical, one eyed sycophantic outburst have shown just how unbalanced
    the rational for putlers attacks are. Overall a very negative result for
    pro Russian sentiment. The best thing the putler could do with john
    doe's support is to cut him off.

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  • From John Doe@21:1/5 to David Eather on Mon Mar 28 23:50:36 2022
    XPost: free.spam

    One Australian troll replying to another Australian troll...

    --
    David Eather <eatREMOVEher@tpg.com.au> wrote:

    Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2022 09:48:14 +1000
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    Just thinking...

    If John Doe is a sock puppet for putler he is a very bad one. His
    illogical, one eyed sycophantic outburst have shown just how unbalanced
    the rational for putlers attacks are. Overall a very negative result for
    pro Russian sentiment. The best thing the putler could do with john
    doe's support is to cut him off.




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  • From Phil Allison@21:1/5 to wmartin on Mon Mar 28 16:59:05 2022
    wmartin wrote:
    ====================


    Huge credit goes to the US for treating Japanese citizens with full respect soon as fighting ceased.
    Japan was rebuilt, fast as possible, with local officials kept in place as before hostilities began.
    The only land taken over permanently was that needed to bury US dead.


    ..... Phil


    Pretty much exactly correct,

    ** Thanks, for a very rare compliment,

    BUT...
    What about the US military bases in Japan? Those are, ceded by treaty, American soil, as permanent as one can get.

    ** Hardly the " spoils of war " - are they ?

    Built, staffed and financed by the USA to defend JAPAN from any enemy.
    For decades after WW2, Japan had virtually no defense force of its own.


    ..... Phil

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  • From John Doe@21:1/5 to Edward Hernandez on Tue Mar 29 00:42:38 2022
    XPost: free.spam

    Poor liddle Eddie got spanked and just can't get over it.

    Unless Eddie is nym-shifting, it has never posted anything NORMAL
    except when it got a severe spanking...

    https://groups.google.com/g/sci.electronics.repair/c/MesPLcGU4BE

    Is the stalker a nym-shifting troll, or a newbie netcop wannabe?

    See also...
    Peter Weiner <dtgamer99@gmail.com>
    Edward H. <dtgamer99@gmail.com>
    Edward Hernandez <dtgamer99@gmail.com>

    Eddie is an example for all newbies. Don't get spanked!

    Spanked Eddie...

    --
    Edward Hernandez <dtgamer99@gmail.com> wrote:

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    From: Edward Hernandez <dtgamer99@gmail.com>
    Subject: Re: OT: Sanctions
    Newsgroups: sci.electronics.design,free.spam
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    The John Doe troll stated the following in message-id <sdhn7c$pkp$4@dont-email.me>:

    The troll doesn't even know how to format a USENET post...

    And the John Doe troll stated the following in message-id <sg3kr7$qt5$1@dont-email.me>:

    The reason Bozo cannot figure out how to get Google to keep from
    breaking its lines in inappropriate places is because Bozo is
    CLUELESS...

    And yet, the clueless John Doe troll has itself posted yet another incorrectly formatted USENET posting on Mon, 28 Mar 2022 23:50:36 -0000
    (UTC) in message-id <t1thkb$mul$2@dont-email.me>.

    oc+K8X/AlS53




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  • From Edward Hernandez@21:1/5 to All on Tue Mar 29 00:34:26 2022
    XPost: free.spam

    The John Doe troll stated the following in message-id <sdhn7c$pkp$4@dont-email.me>:

    The troll doesn't even know how to format a USENET post...

    And the John Doe troll stated the following in message-id <sg3kr7$qt5$1@dont-email.me>:

    The reason Bozo cannot figure out how to get Google to keep from
    breaking its lines in inappropriate places is because Bozo is
    CLUELESS...

    And yet, the clueless John Doe troll has itself posted yet another
    incorrectly formatted USENET posting on Mon, 28 Mar 2022 23:50:36 -0000
    (UTC) in message-id <t1thkb$mul$2@dont-email.me>.

    oc+K8X/AlS53

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  • From Edward Hernandez@21:1/5 to All on Tue Mar 29 00:52:45 2022
    XPost: free.spam

    The John Doe troll stated the following in message-id <sdhn7c$pkp$4@dont-email.me>:

    The troll doesn't even know how to format a USENET post...

    And the John Doe troll stated the following in message-id <sg3kr7$qt5$1@dont-email.me>:

    The reason Bozo cannot figure out how to get Google to keep from
    breaking its lines in inappropriate places is because Bozo is
    CLUELESS...

    NOBODY likes the John Doe troll's contentless spam.

    And yet, the clueless John Doe troll has continued to post incorrectly formatted USENET articles that are devoid of content (latest example on
    Tue, 29 Mar 2022 00:42:38 -0000 (UTC) in message-id <t1tklu$ase$1@dont-email.me>).

    Further, Troll Doe stated the following in message-id <svsh05$lbh$5@dont-email.me> posted Fri, 4 Mar 2022 08:01:09 -0000
    (UTC):

    Compared to other regulars, Bozo contributes practically nothing
    except insults to this group.

    Yet, since Wed, 5 Jan 2022 04:10:38 -0000 (UTC) Troll Doe's post ratio
    to USENET has been 54.1% of its posts contributing "nothing except
    insults" to USENET.

    This posting is a public service announcement for any google groups
    readers who happen by to point out that the John Doe troll does not even
    follow the rules it uses to troll other posters.

    aR/g5Q0wO2Je

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  • From DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno@decadenc@21:1/5 to John Dope on Tue Mar 29 05:44:05 2022
    John Dope <always.look@message.header> wrote in news:t1qglf$44b$1@dont-email.me:

    Ukraine, a former Soviet puppet colony,

    Russia is taking back a small portion of the territory it gave up
    in the 1990s, in response to NATO expansion.

    You're an idiot. The days of conquest are over. There is no
    invading of a country populated with millions and simply wiping them
    out. That is stupid Hitler shit, you dumb mother fucker.

    The USSR ended with Gorbachev and Putin didn't like it. Putin, the
    KGB head. You know, the most covert, violent, criminal organization
    in the world at the time.

    is a democracy

    Hardly. State run media only, private media has been jailed.
    Opposition parties have been jailed.

    You're an idiot. And you are talking about how Russia currently
    operates under Putin, and the things he does, hoping to rebuild the
    old empire.

    Ukraine is a democratic sovereign nation of millions of people.

    John Dope is an abject idiot.

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  • From DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno@decadenc@21:1/5 to John Doe on Tue Mar 29 06:10:18 2022
    John Doe <always.look@message.header> wrote in news:t1qh9k$44b$3 @dont-email.me:

    Russia/China wouldn't be allowed to expand into Mexico or Canada!
    Free country or whatever the rhetoric might be.

    You are an idiot. That is the standard rhetoric of this group when
    they assess you.

    You have to wonder why some people just don't get the obvious
    logic.

    There is no logic to invading a sovereign nation full of millions
    of innocent citizens with military hardware and murderous goons on
    the ground and in the air and with a jackass with his finger on the
    button of chemical attacks and nuclear attacks and threatening to use
    them.

    Zero logic. The entire globe takes a step back. That is 100%
    flawed logic and the acts of a man who wants to get the top record
    for number of people murdered before he goes, as his pathetic
    criminal life is laid bare in an information age society where his
    state run propganda machine cannot stop the real info from getting in
    and getting out. He is a disgrace and he knows it, and he is going
    to screw the entire planet as he goes out to further prove it.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno@decadenc@21:1/5 to John Dope on Tue Mar 29 06:01:36 2022
    John Dope <always.look@message.header> wrote in news:t1qglf$44b$1@dont-email.me:

    That's why we have been paying Russia for taking our astronauts to
    the space station, for the last 13 years. Now watch John Larkin
    crap on space exploration...

    The Russian government sponsors a lot of technical competitions,
    like in programming. Brain drain is an interesting concept, but a
    brain is born every minute.

    You are an idiot. We used Russian boosters because they were
    cheap. Period. Cheap and available. Whereas here, after the Space
    Shuttle Program termination, we were left without a heavy payload
    booster.

    A senile old dope like you always making shit up would not be able
    to grasp why we paid Russia to boost payloads for us. Remember, they
    were supposed to be moving toward a democracy back then, but Putin
    screwed that path up too. The tiny tid bits of cash we paid for
    their booster assistance work was not enough for Putin to exploit to
    improve his military. It was only enough for them to keep their
    space program going. All of the USSR was in deterioration leading up
    to it's fall. The new Russia had and still has a lot of rebuilding
    to do. Then Putin came along and mucked up the entire nation with
    his political interventions and takeover, and with his illicit
    everywhere else in the world realty "deals" that made him the richest
    guy in the nation. And he probably did take all that money their
    space agency was paid for thos jobs away from them. The realty thing
    he learned from Trump, btw.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno@decadenc@21:1/5 to John Doe on Tue Mar 29 05:51:02 2022
    John Doe <always.look@message.header> wrote in
    news:t1qglf$44b$1@dont-email.me:

    Everybody's language is threatened. English will be threatened if
    we don't wise up. Many foreigners do not like the dollar being
    national currency, either.

    You're an idiot. In the global, free, and legal market, not Putin's
    filch engine, the currency does not matter. They are exchanged freely.
    Did you mean "the dollar being the most widely accepted trade currency
    that it is often referred to as 'the international currency'." Then
    you would be close. But nations are not of the mindset you claim. You
    would like to think so, but your senility is blatantly apparent.

    Your brain got threatened years ago, and your inane posts here are
    the result.

    This is all you have. Stupid old dying fogey posts on Usenet.
    Just die already, you stupid old fuck. Go mount yourself out in your
    front yard on one of your Trump MAGA signs.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno@decadenc@21:1/5 to Ralph Mowery on Tue Mar 29 06:18:01 2022
    Ralph Mowery <rmowery42@charter.net> wrote in news:MPG.3caa9a39937b51e989c15@news.eternal-september.org:

    This must be after ww2 where the US bombed two cities with nukies
    and fire bombed another city that I believe killed more civilians
    than the nukes did in Japan.

    So V2s and buzz bombs into London were OK, but a firebombing of a
    city to stop them and send a message and the nuke of a city or two to IMMEDIATELY stop the Japanese invasions and torture camps was bad.

    When you spread death around with machinery, the defenders of the
    areas you infest with your death might just respond with some
    sophisticated machinery of their own.

    No nation has attacked Russia since WWII and even then that was the
    Germans, not us. Vladimir Putin simply wants the title of being the
    worst most murderous leader in history. And he will use any defense of
    any provoking actions he commits as an excuse to do so.

    It is really sad too because he doesn't even wear a blue turbin.
    (guess the reference)

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno@decadenc@21:1/5 to Commander Kinsey on Tue Mar 29 06:25:32 2022
    "Commander Kinsey" <CK1@nospam.com> wrote in
    news:op.1jpjssarmvhs6z@ryzen.lan:

    On Sun, 27 Mar 2022 13:43:11 +0100, John Doe
    <always.look@message.header> wrote:

    I don't understand why we are putting sanctions on Russia. THE
    SANCTIONS ARE HURTING AMERICANS MORE THAN RUSSIA'S INVASION OF
    UKRAINE HURT AMERICANS. Seems lots of people want to hurt Russia
    more than they want to help their own country.

    And they're hurting the Russian civilians, their price of food has
    tripled.

    Yes, and that should PRESSURE Putin to HALT his actions and return
    to his own nation, you retarded fuck!

    In a war,

    It was not a war, jackass. It was a criminal invasion of a
    sovereign nation by the military arm of a leader misled nation.

    aren't you supposed to go after the military,

    If Ukraine bunker buster bombed the Kremlin, it would be a fair
    response then, right?

    not the civilians?

    We are sanctioning Russia to force Putin to stop. There were none
    before he started his illegal invasion. And yes, it is illegal.
    Russia is a UN member nation and Putin even lies to his own
    ambassadors.

    The war crimes being committed here are by the
    west, not Russia.

    You are an idiot. There are hungry Russians, but we are not seeing
    bombs falling on proper Russian military targets or civillian
    sectors, because that would be seen by Putin as an attack and he
    would "escalate", yet he gets to obliterate infrastructure and murder
    thousands of innocents because dumbfucks like you think he was right
    to "feel threatened"? Bullshit.

    Buy an I love Russia tshirt from Ebay and wear
    it proudly whenever you go out.

    FUCK OFF AND DIE, Russian propaganda spreading jackass!

    It's so funny to hear everyone
    tutting.

    Learn the language, dumbfuck. That is not even a word.

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  • From DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno@decadenc@21:1/5 to Commander Kinsey on Tue Mar 29 06:37:57 2022
    "Commander Kinsey" <CK1@nospam.com> wrote in
    news:op.1jpntxf9mvhs6z@ryzen.lan:

    How many Russians agree with what Putin is doing? 9 out of 10
    Russians I know do not.


    Then they should take him out. And ed the police state rule they
    live under. Ooops... doesn't matter how many you know if they are not fighting against it. Take those fucking communist pig cops arresting
    folks out and they'll stop attacking the protesters. Give them the old
    Putin Polonium pellet treatment. See how they like it.

    9 out of ten Russians should be taking their country back from a
    murderous dictator. They should TRY to be as brave as those n the
    nation Putin is illegally invading and murdering innocents in. You all
    need to get some balls and put an end to the communist regime that has
    fucked up your region of the world for centuries and get on board with
    the free nations of the world.

    Get some courage, Russian people. Put an end to the communism that
    has harmed your nation. It was not us. It is most ceratinly your
    leadership doing it, so they are who you must make pay. It really is
    that simple.

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  • From DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno@decadenc@21:1/5 to Gerhard Hoffmann on Tue Mar 29 06:52:09 2022
    Gerhard Hoffmann <dk4xp@arcor.de> wrote in
    news:t1qv5b$17in$1@solani.org:

    Am 27.03.22 um 22:42 schrieb Ed Lee:
    On Sunday, March 27, 2022 at 1:26:34 PM UTC-7, John Doe wrote:
    That's what Henry Kissinger and other diplomats have said.

    I have seen no one point to respected diplomats who have NOT
    cautioned against NATO expansion to Russia's border countries.

    Russia/China wouldn't be allowed to expand into Mexico or
    Canada! Free country or whatever the rhetoric might be.

    Yes, US would probably invade Mexico. But US military is not
    allowed to bomb apt/school/hospital and kill unarmed civilian.

    My Lai.

    350 to 500 people. This after those *we* were there to help could
    no longer be trusted, as they were infiltrated by the NVA, and it was
    a suspected support village, not deliberate bombing of hospitals or
    schools or places they knew were being used as a shelter from modern
    war machinery. And the incindiary strafe was called in by the main
    person who enacted the massacre. Mainly a failure of one cammander
    with a lot of killing harware at his fingertips. The psychology of
    one's men under one's command can be flipped like a switch when they
    get fed lies or disinformation.

    BIG DIFFERENCE.

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  • From DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno@decadenc@21:1/5 to Commander Kinsey on Tue Mar 29 06:44:52 2022
    "Commander Kinsey" <CK1@nospam.com> wrote in
    news:op.1jpr0gpcmvhs6z@ryzen.lan:

    Or just go after the guy that did it?

    Then wake the nine out of ten Russians "you know" the fuck up and
    tell them to take back control of their nation, by going after they guy
    AND the parliament that did it. You know... the State Duma and The
    Russian Federation. As well as the head of the snake. Then STAND DOWN
    your military hardware and your nuke inventory. It really is that
    simple. Otherwise...

    You and your brother are dumber than dogshit and I would take you and
    the building you were both in out. But only if you were the only two
    in it. After all, you sully the human gene pool, Kinsey.

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  • From DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno@decadenc@21:1/5 to TurdSipper Dumb on Tue Mar 29 06:32:02 2022
    TurdSipper Dumb <cd@notformail.com> wrote in news:o7p14htc3ilqk9vr0b0ilp1ve433l6imqj@4ax.com:

    On Sun, 27 Mar 2022 16:59:35 -0400, Ralph Mowery
    <rmowery42@charter.net> wrote:

    In article
    <e710a2c0-f7fe-45ac-acc7-7b79dec81d6bn@googlegroups.com>, >>edward.ming.lee@gmail.com says...

    Yes, US would probably invade Mexico. But US military is not
    allowed to bomb apt/school/hospital and kill unarmed civilian.



    This must be after ww2 where the US bombed two cities with nukies
    and fire bombed another city that I believe killed more civilians
    than the nukes did in Japan.

    And let's not forget what happened in Viet Nam. :(

    Where the Khmer Rouge killed 3 million. And the NVA was
    overrunning the south killing whomever they felt like killing.

    It does not get more stupid than the old dumbfucks in this group.
    John Dope and TurdSipper Dumb are two prime examples.

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  • From Edward Hernandez@21:1/5 to All on Tue Mar 29 16:20:45 2022
    XPost: free.spam

    The John Doe troll stated the following in message-id <sdhn7c$pkp$4@dont-email.me>:

    The troll doesn't even know how to format a USENET post...

    And the John Doe troll stated the following in message-id <sg3kr7$qt5$1@dont-email.me>:

    The reason Bozo cannot figure out how to get Google to keep from
    breaking its lines in inappropriate places is because Bozo is
    CLUELESS...

    And yet, the clueless John Doe troll has continued to post incorrectly formatted USENET articles that are devoid of content (latest example on
    Tue, 29 Mar 2022 16:15:38 -0000 (UTC) in message-id <t1vbb9$bem$2@dont-email.me>).

    NOBODY likes the John Doe troll's contentless spam.

    This posting is a public service announcement for any google groups
    readers who happen by to point out that the John Doe troll does not even
    follow the rules it uses to troll other posters.

    /PR1EPWEwKh0

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From John Doe@21:1/5 to All on Tue Mar 29 16:17:20 2022
    https://youtu.be/EseSsywvkhs (4:11)

    "Tulsi Gabbard accuses Facebook, Instagram of shadow banning her"

    Talks about sanctions.



    --

    I wrote:

    I don't understand why we are putting sanctions on Russia. THE SANCTIONS
    ARE HURTING AMERICANS MORE THAN RUSSIA'S INVASION OF UKRAINE HURT
    AMERICANS. Seems lots of people want to hurt Russia more than they want to help their own country.

    Russia's non-aggressive response to Ukraine's unfair tariffs on its oil
    pipes was to build oil pipes around Ukraine. This recent invasion didn't
    even interrupt oil supply to Europe. But Europeans insist on doing so!

    Jimmy Carter, known for trashing our economy (but of course it was the
    other guy's fault), prevented us from selling wheat to Russia. Now Russia exports wheat.

    It's not working!

    Killing 500,000 Iraqi children with sanctions is "worth it" according to Madeleine Albright...

    https://youtu.be/RM0uvgHKZe8

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From John Doe@21:1/5 to DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno@decadenc on Tue Mar 29 16:15:38 2022
    XPost: free.spam

    This foulmouthed troll threatened to kill me for not supporting "freedom"...

    --
    DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno@decadence.org wrote:

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    From: DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno@decadence.org
    Newsgroups: sci.electronics.design
    Subject: Re: OT: Sanctions
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    John Doe <always.look@message.header> wrote in news:t1qh9k$44b$3 @dont-email.me:

    Russia/China wouldn't be allowed to expand into Mexico or Canada!
    Free country or whatever the rhetoric might be.

    You are an idiot. That is the standard rhetoric of this group when
    they assess you.

    You have to wonder why some people just don't get the obvious
    logic.

    There is no logic to invading a sovereign nation full of millions
    of innocent citizens with military hardware and murderous goons on
    the ground and in the air and with a jackass with his finger on the
    button of chemical attacks and nuclear attacks and threatening to use
    them.

    Zero logic. The entire globe takes a step back. That is 100%
    flawed logic and the acts of a man who wants to get the top record
    for number of people murdered before he goes, as his pathetic
    criminal life is laid bare in an information age society where his
    state run propganda machine cannot stop the real info from getting in
    and getting out. He is a disgrace and he knows it, and he is going
    to screw the entire planet as he goes out to further prove it.




    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From John Doe@21:1/5 to Edward Hernandez on Tue Mar 29 16:31:32 2022
    XPost: free.spam

    Poor liddle Eddie got spanked and just can't get over it.

    Unless Eddie is nym-shifting, it has never posted anything NORMAL
    except when it got a severe spanking...

    https://groups.google.com/g/sci.electronics.repair/c/MesPLcGU4BE

    Is the stalker a nym-shifting troll, or a newbie netcop wannabe?

    See also...
    Peter Weiner <dtgamer99@gmail.com>
    Edward H. <dtgamer99@gmail.com>
    Edward Hernandez <dtgamer99@gmail.com>

    Eddie is an example for all newbies. Don't get spanked!

    Spanked Eddie...

    --
    Edward Hernandez <dtgamer99@gmail.com> wrote:

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    The John Doe troll stated the following in message-id <sdhn7c$pkp$4@dont-email.me>:

    The troll doesn't even know how to format a USENET post...

    And the John Doe troll stated the following in message-id <sg3kr7$qt5$1@dont-email.me>:

    The reason Bozo cannot figure out how to get Google to keep from
    breaking its lines in inappropriate places is because Bozo is
    CLUELESS...

    And yet, the clueless John Doe troll has continued to post incorrectly formatted USENET articles that are devoid of content (latest example on
    Tue, 29 Mar 2022 16:15:38 -0000 (UTC) in message-id <t1vbb9$bem$2@dont-email.me>).

    NOBODY likes the John Doe troll's contentless spam.

    This posting is a public service announcement for any google groups
    readers who happen by to point out that the John Doe troll does not even follow the rules it uses to troll other posters.

    /PR1EPWEwKh0




    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From Edward Hernandez@21:1/5 to All on Tue Mar 29 16:39:03 2022
    XPost: free.spam

    The John Doe troll stated the following in message-id <sdhn7c$pkp$4@dont-email.me>:

    The troll doesn't even know how to format a USENET post...

    And the John Doe troll stated the following in message-id <sg3kr7$qt5$1@dont-email.me>:

    The reason Bozo cannot figure out how to get Google to keep from
    breaking its lines in inappropriate places is because Bozo is
    CLUELESS...

    And yet, the clueless John Doe troll has itself posted yet another
    incorrectly formatted USENET posting on Tue, 29 Mar 2022 16:31:32 -0000
    (UTC) in message-id <t1vc94$bem$5@dont-email.me>.

    This posting is a public service announcement for any google groups
    readers who happen by to point out that the John Doe troll does not even
    follow the rules it uses to troll other posters.

    C4BDzBWhUEE8

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Commander Kinsey@21:1/5 to DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno@decadenc on Tue Mar 29 17:36:41 2022
    On Tue, 29 Mar 2022 07:25:32 +0100, <DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno@decadence.org> wrote:

    "Commander Kinsey" <CK1@nospam.com> wrote in news:op.1jpjssarmvhs6z@ryzen.lan:

    On Sun, 27 Mar 2022 13:43:11 +0100, John Doe
    <always.look@message.header> wrote:

    I don't understand why we are putting sanctions on Russia. THE
    SANCTIONS ARE HURTING AMERICANS MORE THAN RUSSIA'S INVASION OF
    UKRAINE HURT AMERICANS. Seems lots of people want to hurt Russia
    more than they want to help their own country.

    And they're hurting the Russian civilians, their price of food has
    tripled.

    Yes, and that should PRESSURE Putin to HALT his actions and return
    to his own nation, you retarded fuck!

    Yes, let's punish someone else in the hope it persuades him. Arsehole. Why not blow up Putin himself?

    In a war,

    It was not a war, jackass. It was a criminal invasion of a
    sovereign nation by the military arm of a leader misled nation.

    Why do you say "was" for something that's still in progress? Learn about tenses.

    aren't you supposed to go after the military,

    If Ukraine bunker buster bombed the Kremlin, it would be a fair
    response then, right?

    Yes.

    not the civilians?

    We are sanctioning Russia to force Putin to stop. There were none
    before he started his illegal invasion. And yes, it is illegal.
    Russia is a UN member nation and Putin even lies to his own
    ambassadors.

    We should fight the war properl., with violence.

    he war crimes being committed here are by the
    west, not Russia.

    You are an idiot.

    What's with the indents?

    There are hungry Russians, but we are not seeing
    bombs falling on proper Russian military targets or civillian
    sectors, because that would be seen by Putin as an attack and he
    would "escalate",

    So we're scared? How pathetic.

    yet he gets to obliterate infrastructure and murder
    thousands of innocents because dumbfucks like you think he was right
    to "feel threatened"? Bullshit.

    All the Ukraine has to do is surrender. They were part of the USSR after all. They should give back the land they stole.

    Buy an I love Russia tshirt from Ebay and wear
    it proudly whenever you go out.

    FUCK OFF AND DIE, Russian propaganda spreading jackass!

    Exactly the reaction I love seeing in public.

    It's so funny to hear everyone tutting.

    Learn the language, dumbfuck. That is not even a word.

    All those are words and all are accepted by my spellchecker. Sorry, I speak English not American, which isn't a real Langeland, just a bastardisation of ours.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From Commander Kinsey@21:1/5 to John Doe on Tue Mar 29 18:04:09 2022
    On Tue, 29 Mar 2022 17:53:52 +0100, John Doe <always.look@message.header> wrote:

    According to Merriam-Webster in its worldwide public dictionary,
    "tut" is US English...

    "used to express disapproval or disbelief"

    US and UK English, so no idea why he was confused. It's onomatopoeic - the noise you make when mildly irritated, by sucking your tongue off the front of the roof of your mouth.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From John Doe@21:1/5 to All on Tue Mar 29 16:53:52 2022
    According to Merriam-Webster in its worldwide public dictionary,
    "tut" is US English...

    "used to express disapproval or disbelief"

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Commander Kinsey@21:1/5 to DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno@decadenc on Tue Mar 29 18:56:22 2022
    XPost: alt.usage.english

    On Tue, 29 Mar 2022 07:44:52 +0100, <DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno@decadence.org> wrote:

    "Commander Kinsey" <CK1@nospam.com> wrote in news:op.1jpr0gpcmvhs6z@ryzen.lan:

    Or just go after the guy that did it?

    Then wake the nine out of ten Russians "you know"

    Putting that in quotes is meaningless. And you split an infinitive.

    the fuck up and
    tell them to take back control of their nation, by going after they guy
    AND the parliament that did it. You know... the State Duma and The
    Russian Federation. As well as the head of the snake. Then STAND DOWN
    your military hardware and your nuke inventory. It really is that
    simple. Otherwise...

    If I was a Russian I'd stand by Putin. What's wrong with taking back a nation that once belonged to you, one full of such rich resources?

    You and your brother are dumber than dogshit and I would take you and
    the building you were both in out. But only if you were the only two
    in it. After all, you sully the human gene pool, Kinsey.

    Then persuade your silly "Western Civilization" to take military action instead of your girly little sanctions. It really is funny to watch.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno@decadenc@21:1/5 to Commander Kinsey on Tue Mar 29 18:25:47 2022
    "Commander Kinsey" <CK1@nospam.com> wrote in
    news:op.1jswffbbmvhs6z@ryzen.lan:

    yet he gets to obliterate infrastructure and murder
    thousands of innocents because dumbfucks like you think he was
    right to "feel threatened"? Bullshit.

    All the Ukraine has to do is surrender.

    Oh really? The end of millions of lives normal path for that of a
    dictator murderer to decide the path of.

    You really are an idiot.

    They were part of the
    USSR after all. They should give back the land they stole.

    "They" stole nothing, you fucking idiot.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno@decadenc@21:1/5 to Commander Kinsey on Tue Mar 29 18:20:12 2022
    "Commander Kinsey" <CK1@nospam.com> wrote in
    news:op.1jswffbbmvhs6z@ryzen.lan:


    Yes, let's punish someone else in the hope it persuades him.
    Arsehole. Why not blow up Putin himself?


    Your problem is that you think it is that simple. you do know where
    his silos are aimed, right?

    You are the asshole.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno@decadenc@21:1/5 to Commander Kinsey on Tue Mar 29 18:28:50 2022
    "Commander Kinsey" <CK1@nospam.com> wrote in
    news:op.1jswffbbmvhs6z@ryzen.lan:

    which isn't a real Langeland, just a bastardisation of ours.

    Now you are just tooting your retard horn. And you could not even get
    that right.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno@decadenc@21:1/5 to Commander Kinsey on Tue Mar 29 18:22:41 2022
    "Commander Kinsey" <CK1@nospam.com> wrote in
    news:op.1jswffbbmvhs6z@ryzen.lan:

    It was not a war, jackass. It was a criminal invasion of a
    sovereign nation by the military arm of a leader misled nation.

    Why do you say "was" for something that's still in progress?
    Learn about tenses.


    My reference was to the initial incursion. You seem to call it a war,
    when that is not what happened. The Ukraine repelling of the attack
    may be warlike, but the events were not that of a war, but that of a
    cowardly murderous invasion, and nothing more.

    So 'was' was quite correct. Learn about tenses yourself.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno@decadenc@21:1/5 to Commander Kinsey on Tue Mar 29 18:32:24 2022
    XPost: alt.usage.english

    "Commander Kinsey" <CK1@nospam.com> wrote in
    news:op.1jsz38m7mvhs6z@ryzen.lan:


    If I was a Russian I'd stand by Putin.

    We can tell, dumbfuck.

    What's wrong with taking
    back a nation that once belonged to you, one full of such rich
    resources?

    You're an abject idiot.

    The word for today is sovereignty. Go look it up, immature punk.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Commander Kinsey@21:1/5 to DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno@decadenc on Tue Mar 29 20:24:14 2022
    On Tue, 29 Mar 2022 19:20:12 +0100, <DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno@decadence.org> wrote:

    "Commander Kinsey" <CK1@nospam.com> wrote in news:op.1jswffbbmvhs6z@ryzen.lan:


    Yes, let's punish someone else in the hope it persuades him.
    Arsehole. Why not blow up Putin himself?


    Your problem is that you think it is that simple. you do know where
    his silos are aimed, right?

    You are the asshole.

    So you're scared of Putin. ROTFPMSL!

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Commander Kinsey@21:1/5 to DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno@decadenc on Tue Mar 29 20:25:49 2022
    On Tue, 29 Mar 2022 19:25:47 +0100, <DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno@decadence.org> wrote:

    "Commander Kinsey" <CK1@nospam.com> wrote in news:op.1jswffbbmvhs6z@ryzen.lan:

    yet he gets to obliterate infrastructure and murder
    thousands of innocents because dumbfucks like you think he was
    right to "feel threatened"? Bullshit.

    All the Ukraine has to do is surrender.

    Oh really? The end of millions of lives normal path for that of a
    dictator murderer to decide the path of.

    no, they'd just become Russians. All the Russians I know are happy.

    They were part of the
    USSR after all. They should give back the land they stole.

    "They" stole nothing, you fucking idiot.

    You do know what the USSR was don't you? Go look up an old map.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Commander Kinsey@21:1/5 to DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno@decadenc on Tue Mar 29 20:26:53 2022
    On Tue, 29 Mar 2022 19:28:50 +0100, <DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno@decadence.org> wrote:

    "Commander Kinsey" <CK1@nospam.com> wrote in news:op.1jswffbbmvhs6z@ryzen.lan:

    which isn't a real Langeland, just a bastardisation of ours.

    Now you are just tooting your retard horn. And you could not even get
    that right.

    Clearly that was a spellchecker fault. ROTFPMSL!

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Commander Kinsey@21:1/5 to DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno@decadenc on Tue Mar 29 20:28:19 2022
    XPost: alt.usage.english

    On Tue, 29 Mar 2022 19:32:24 +0100, <DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno@decadence.org> wrote:

    "Commander Kinsey" <CK1@nospam.com> wrote in news:op.1jsz38m7mvhs6z@ryzen.lan:


    If I was a Russian I'd stand by Putin.

    We can tell, dumbfuck.

    What makes you think Putin's beliefs are dumb? And why did you interrupt before I'd finished? Are you that Aussie?

    What's wrong with taking
    back a nation that once belonged to you, one full of such rich
    resources?

    You're an abject idiot.

    The word for today is sovereignty. Go look it up, immature punk.

    Yip, and Putin is taking his land back.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From whit3rd@21:1/5 to Commander Kinsey on Tue Mar 29 12:26:13 2022
    On Tuesday, March 29, 2022 at 10:56:31 AM UTC-7, Commander Kinsey wrote:

    If I was a Russian I'd stand by Putin. What's wrong with taking back a nation that once belonged to you, one full of such rich resources?

    That's theft, because your ancestor once partnered with (but did NOT own) a neighbor...
    The USSR, a deceased ancestor, does not confer any special rights on Putin's clique.

    Now consider: what's wrong with taking back a nation (Russia) that once belonged to
    the people of that nation, from a dictator who has imperial ambitions but won't serve the needs
    of Russia's informed and democracy-empowered population?

    The short answer, is fear of assassination by bullets or poison.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From whit3rd@21:1/5 to Commander Kinsey on Tue Mar 29 12:37:18 2022
    On Tuesday, March 29, 2022 at 12:25:57 PM UTC-7, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Tue, 29 Mar 2022 19:25:47 +0100, <DecadentLinux...@decadence.org> wrote:

    "They" stole nothing, you fucking idiot.

    You do know what the USSR was don't you? Go look up an old map.

    My 'Atlacc Mira' pretty clearly shows Ukraine inside USSR, but not
    that ownership devolves to Russia (also inside USSR).

    Putin is, nominally, an elected official of Russia, not USSR.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Commander Kinsey@21:1/5 to whit3rd@gmail.com on Tue Mar 29 21:20:00 2022
    On Tue, 29 Mar 2022 20:26:13 +0100, whit3rd <whit3rd@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Tuesday, March 29, 2022 at 10:56:31 AM UTC-7, Commander Kinsey wrote:

    If I was a Russian I'd stand by Putin. What's wrong with taking back a nation that once belonged to you, one full of such rich resources?

    That's theft, because your ancestor once partnered with (but did NOT own) a neighbor...
    The USSR, a deceased ancestor, does not confer any special rights on Putin's clique.

    Now consider: what's wrong with taking back a nation (Russia) that once belonged to
    the people of that nation, from a dictator who has imperial ambitions but won't serve the needs
    of Russia's informed and democracy-empowered population?

    The short answer, is fear of assassination by bullets or poison.

    Might is right. Fuck the weak.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Commander Kinsey@21:1/5 to whit3rd@gmail.com on Tue Mar 29 21:19:29 2022
    On Tue, 29 Mar 2022 20:37:18 +0100, whit3rd <whit3rd@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Tuesday, March 29, 2022 at 12:25:57 PM UTC-7, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Tue, 29 Mar 2022 19:25:47 +0100, <DecadentLinux...@decadence.org> wrote:

    "They" stole nothing, you fucking idiot.

    You do know what the USSR was don't you? Go look up an old map.

    My 'Atlacc Mira' pretty clearly shows Ukraine inside USSR, but not
    that ownership devolves to Russia (also inside USSR).

    Putin is, nominally, an elected official of Russia, not USSR.

    Russia was 90% of the USSR, Russia should have what the USSR was. Ukraine must surrender and stop trying to join the pansy little EU.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Anthony William Sloman@21:1/5 to Commander Kinsey on Tue Mar 29 17:05:00 2022
    On Wednesday, March 30, 2022 at 7:19:38 AM UTC+11, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Tue, 29 Mar 2022 20:37:18 +0100, whit3rd <whi...@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Tuesday, March 29, 2022 at 12:25:57 PM UTC-7, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Tue, 29 Mar 2022 19:25:47 +0100, <DecadentLinux...@decadence.org> wrote:

    "They" stole nothing, you fucking idiot.

    You do know what the USSR was don't you? Go look up an old map.

    My 'Atlacc Mira' pretty clearly shows Ukraine inside USSR, but not
    that ownership devolves to Russia (also inside USSR).

    Putin is, nominally, an elected official of Russia, not USSR.

    Russia was 90% of the USSR, Russia should have what the USSR was.

    Why? It wasn't as if the USSR delivered much in the way of benefits to it's members. Getting rid of monolithic Communist party rule has improved the state of all the former satellites. Russia itself hasn't done as well, mainly because their politicians
    don't seem to have a clue about encouraging and regulating free enterprise, and have set up a kleptocracy which rips off the country for the benefit of the kleptocrats just as badly as the Communist Party ripped off the country for the benefit of party
    members - there were more party members than there are kleptocrats, but the population as a whole doesn't seem to be doing any better.

    Ukraine must surrender and stop trying to join the pansy little EU.

    The EU isn't little. It's population is 444 million people, an third again bigger than the US and about three times the population of Russia.

    Ukraine just took back a city that the Russian's had briefly occupied. Surrendering to Russia wouldn't be all that sensible. Doing a bit of territorial expansion into Russia might be a bit ambitious, but it would strengthen their negotiating position.

    --
    Bill Sloman, Sydney

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From John Doe@21:1/5 to All on Tue Mar 29 23:35:00 2022
    allintext:Russia (gas OR oil) Rubles

    Then limit results.

    Tools > Past 24 hours

    Stuff might begin to happen soon as the 31st (2 days from now).

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno@decadenc@21:1/5 to Commander Kinsey on Wed Mar 30 05:07:28 2022
    "Commander Kinsey" <CK1@nospam.com> wrote in
    news:op.1js36o04mvhs6z@ryzen.lan:

    On Tue, 29 Mar 2022 19:20:12 +0100, <DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno@decadence.org> wrote:

    "Commander Kinsey" <CK1@nospam.com> wrote in
    news:op.1jswffbbmvhs6z@ryzen.lan:


    Yes, let's punish someone else in the hope it persuades him.
    Arsehole. Why not blow up Putin himself?


    Your problem is that you think it is that simple. you do know
    where his silos are aimed, right?

    You are the asshole.

    So you're scared of Putin. ROTFPMSL!


    As I stated... You're an idiot.

    An idiot rolling on the floor pissing yourself stinky loser

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno@decadenc@21:1/5 to Commander Kinsey on Wed Mar 30 05:09:40 2022
    "Commander Kinsey" <CK1@nospam.com> wrote in
    news:op.1js37srgmvhs6z@ryzen.lan:

    It would be a war if anyone had the guts to reply. But the entire
    world is too scared of one country!


    Right. A country controlled by a lunatic with 4400+ nuclear warheads
    at his fingertips.

    You ain't real bright, boy.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno@decadenc@21:1/5 to Commander Kinsey on Wed Mar 30 05:14:29 2022
    "Commander Kinsey" <CK1@nospam.com> wrote in
    news:op.1js6qrqumvhs6z@ryzen.lan:

    Ukraine must surrender and stop trying to join the pansy little EU.

    Somebody must find you and beat you near death with an Ironwood
    shillelagh.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno@decadenc@21:1/5 to Commander Kinsey on Wed Mar 30 05:15:35 2022
    "Commander Kinsey" <CK1@nospam.com> wrote in
    news:op.1js6rmf9mvhs6z@ryzen.lan:

    Might is right. Fuck the weak.

    Then post your address, pussy. Someone will come over and let you
    taste what's right for you. Fuck your 20 IQ mentality.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Edward Hernandez@21:1/5 to All on Wed Mar 30 10:56:35 2022
    XPost: free.spam

    The John Doe troll stated the following in message-id <sdhn7c$pkp$4@dont-email.me>:

    The troll doesn't even know how to format a USENET post...

    And the John Doe troll stated the following in message-id <sg3kr7$qt5$1@dont-email.me>:

    The reason Bozo cannot figure out how to get Google to keep from
    breaking its lines in inappropriate places is because Bozo is
    CLUELESS...

    And yet, the clueless John Doe troll has continued to post incorrectly formatted USENET articles that are devoid of content (latest example on
    Wed, 30 Mar 2022 10:41:02 -0000 (UTC) in message-id <t21c3u$a6s$2@dont-email.me>).

    NOBODY likes the John Doe troll's contentless spam.

    Further, John Doe stated the following in message-id <svsh05$lbh$5@dont-email.me> posted Fri, 4 Mar 2022 08:01:09 -0000
    (UTC):

    Compared to other regulars, Bozo contributes practically nothing
    except insults to this group.

    Yet, since Wed, 5 Jan 2022 04:10:38 -0000 (UTC) John Doe's post ratio to
    USENET has been 54.1% of its posts contributing "nothing except insults"
    to USENET.

    This posting is a public service announcement for any google groups
    readers who happen by to point out that the John Doe troll does not even
    follow the rules it uses to troll other posters.

    dqQvVT+2UvMJ

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From John Doe@21:1/5 to DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno@decadenc on Wed Mar 30 10:41:02 2022
    XPost: free.spam

    Always Wrong, the foulmouthed group idiot, threatening another poster...

    --
    DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno@decadence.org wrote:

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    From: DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno@decadence.org
    Newsgroups: sci.electronics.design
    Subject: Re: OT: Sanctions
    Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2022 05:15:35 -0000 (UTC)
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    "Commander Kinsey" <CK1@nospam.com> wrote in news:op.1js6rmf9mvhs6z@ryzen.lan:

    Might is right. Fuck the weak.

    Then post your address, pussy. Someone will come over and let you
    taste what's right for you. Fuck your 20 IQ mentality.



    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From John Doe@21:1/5 to DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno@decadenc on Wed Mar 30 10:43:39 2022
    XPost: free.spam

    The foulmouthed group idiot, a.k.a. Always Wrong,
    threatening another poster for not supporting "freedom"...

    --
    DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno@decadence.org wrote:

    Path: eternal-september.org!reader02.eternal-september.org!aioe.org!5U2ooNuM5UP0Ynf/GmOnCg.user.46.165.242.91.POSTED!not-for-mail
    From: DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno@decadence.org
    Newsgroups: sci.electronics.design
    Subject: Re: OT: Sanctions
    Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2022 05:14:29 -0000 (UTC)
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    "Commander Kinsey" <CK1@nospam.com> wrote in news:op.1js6qrqumvhs6z@ryzen.lan:

    Ukraine must surrender and stop trying to join the pansy little EU.

    Somebody must find you and beat you near death with an Ironwood
    shillelagh.



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  • From John Doe@21:1/5 to Edward Hernandez on Wed Mar 30 12:42:09 2022
    XPost: free.spam

    Poor liddle Eddie got spanked and just can't get over it.

    Unless Eddie is nym-shifting, it has never posted anything NORMAL
    except when it got a severe spanking...

    https://groups.google.com/g/sci.electronics.repair/c/MesPLcGU4BE

    Is the stalker a nym-shifting troll, or a newbie netcop wannabe?

    See also...
    Peter Weiner <dtgamer99@gmail.com>
    Edward H. <dtgamer99@gmail.com>
    Edward Hernandez <dtgamer99@gmail.com>

    Eddie is an example for all newbies. Don't get spanked!

    Spanked Eddie...

    --
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    Subject: Re: OT: Sanctions
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    The John Doe troll stated the following in message-id <sdhn7c$pkp$4@dont-email.me>:

    The troll doesn't even know how to format a USENET post...

    And the John Doe troll stated the following in message-id <sg3kr7$qt5$1@dont-email.me>:

    The reason Bozo cannot figure out how to get Google to keep from
    breaking its lines in inappropriate places is because Bozo is
    CLUELESS...

    And yet, the clueless John Doe troll has itself posted yet another incorrectly formatted USENET posting on Wed, 30 Mar 2022 10:43:39 -0000
    (UTC) in message-id <t21c8r$a6s$3@dont-email.me>.

    This posting is a public service announcement for any google groups
    readers who happen by to point out that the John Doe troll does not even follow the rules it uses to troll other posters.

    N1J/8rD9p4tw




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  • From John Doe@21:1/5 to Edward Hernandez on Wed Mar 30 12:41:57 2022
    XPost: free.spam

    Poor liddle Eddie got spanked and just can't get over it.

    Unless Eddie is nym-shifting, it has never posted anything NORMAL
    except when it got a severe spanking...

    https://groups.google.com/g/sci.electronics.repair/c/MesPLcGU4BE

    Is the stalker a nym-shifting troll, or a newbie netcop wannabe?

    See also...
    Peter Weiner <dtgamer99@gmail.com>
    Edward H. <dtgamer99@gmail.com>
    Edward Hernandez <dtgamer99@gmail.com>

    Eddie is an example for all newbies. Don't get spanked!

    Spanked Eddie...

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    From: Edward Hernandez <dtgamer99@gmail.com>
    Subject: Re: OT: Sanctions
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    The John Doe troll stated the following in message-id <sdhn7c$pkp$4@dont-email.me>:

    The troll doesn't even know how to format a USENET post...

    And the John Doe troll stated the following in message-id <sg3kr7$qt5$1@dont-email.me>:

    The reason Bozo cannot figure out how to get Google to keep from
    breaking its lines in inappropriate places is because Bozo is
    CLUELESS...

    And yet, the clueless John Doe troll has continued to post incorrectly formatted USENET articles that are devoid of content (latest example on
    Wed, 30 Mar 2022 10:41:02 -0000 (UTC) in message-id <t21c3u$a6s$2@dont-email.me>).

    NOBODY likes the John Doe troll's contentless spam.

    Further, John Doe stated the following in message-id <svsh05$lbh$5@dont-email.me> posted Fri, 4 Mar 2022 08:01:09 -0000
    (UTC):

    Compared to other regulars, Bozo contributes practically nothing
    except insults to this group.

    Yet, since Wed, 5 Jan 2022 04:10:38 -0000 (UTC) John Doe's post ratio to USENET has been 54.1% of its posts contributing "nothing except insults"
    to USENET.

    This posting is a public service announcement for any google groups
    readers who happen by to point out that the John Doe troll does not even follow the rules it uses to troll other posters.

    dqQvVT+2UvMJ



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  • From Edward Hernandez@21:1/5 to All on Wed Mar 30 13:15:17 2022
    XPost: free.spam

    The John Doe troll stated the following in message-id <sdhn7c$pkp$4@dont-email.me>:

    The troll doesn't even know how to format a USENET post...

    And the John Doe troll stated the following in message-id <sg3kr7$qt5$1@dont-email.me>:

    The reason Bozo cannot figure out how to get Google to keep from
    breaking its lines in inappropriate places is because Bozo is
    CLUELESS...

    And yet, the clueless John Doe troll has itself posted yet another
    incorrectly formatted USENET posting on Wed, 30 Mar 2022 12:41:57 -0000
    (UTC) in message-id <t21j6l$3ke$3@dont-email.me>.

    o46gKe638m3u

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  • From Commander Kinsey@21:1/5 to Anthony William Sloman on Wed Mar 30 14:34:25 2022
    On Wed, 30 Mar 2022 01:05:00 +0100, Anthony William Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> wrote:

    On Wednesday, March 30, 2022 at 7:19:38 AM UTC+11, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Tue, 29 Mar 2022 20:37:18 +0100, whit3rd <whi...@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Tuesday, March 29, 2022 at 12:25:57 PM UTC-7, Commander Kinsey wrote: >> >> On Tue, 29 Mar 2022 19:25:47 +0100, <DecadentLinux...@decadence.org> wrote:

    "They" stole nothing, you fucking idiot.

    You do know what the USSR was don't you? Go look up an old map.

    My 'Atlacc Mira' pretty clearly shows Ukraine inside USSR, but not
    that ownership devolves to Russia (also inside USSR).

    Putin is, nominally, an elected official of Russia, not USSR.

    Russia was 90% of the USSR, Russia should have what the USSR was.

    Why? It wasn't as if the USSR delivered much in the way of benefits to it's members. Getting rid of monolithic Communist party rule has improved the state of all the former satellites. Russia itself hasn't done as well, mainly because their
    politicians don't seem to have a clue about encouraging and regulating free enterprise, and have set up a kleptocracy which rips off the country for the benefit of the kleptocrats just as badly as the Communist Party ripped off the country for the
    benefit of party members - there were more party members than there are kleptocrats, but the population as a whole doesn't seem to be doing any better.

    Just look at the amount of goods Russia sold. Just look at the increase in expense of gas etc when we refused to buy from them.

    Ukraine must surrender and stop trying to join the pansy little EU.

    The EU isn't little. It's population is 444 million people, an third again bigger than the US and about three times the population of Russia.

    OCD. It's a pathetic organisation nobody likes. It's bad enough having Sturgeon and Boris both ruling Scotland, I don't want Brussels making even more rules. The EU isn't a real thing, they're member countries in their own right. It's as stupid as
    the USA with state and federal laws.

    Ukraine just took back a city that the Russian's had briefly occupied. Surrendering to Russia wouldn't be all that sensible. Doing a bit of territorial expansion into Russia might be a bit ambitious, but it would strengthen their negotiating position.

    Putin must have more weapons than the Ukraine, he should level it.

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  • From Commander Kinsey@21:1/5 to DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno@decadenc on Wed Mar 30 14:54:29 2022
    On Wed, 30 Mar 2022 06:07:28 +0100, <DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno@decadence.org> wrote:

    "Commander Kinsey" <CK1@nospam.com> wrote in news:op.1js36o04mvhs6z@ryzen.lan:

    On Tue, 29 Mar 2022 19:20:12 +0100,
    <DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno@decadence.org> wrote:

    "Commander Kinsey" <CK1@nospam.com> wrote in
    news:op.1jswffbbmvhs6z@ryzen.lan:


    Yes, let's punish someone else in the hope it persuades him.
    Arsehole. Why not blow up Putin himself?


    Your problem is that you think it is that simple. you do know
    where his silos are aimed, right?

    You are the asshole.

    So you're scared of Putin. ROTFPMSL!


    As I stated... You're an idiot.

    An idiot rolling on the floor pissing yourself stinky loser

    Why isn't your country blowing up Putin's silos?

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  • From Commander Kinsey@21:1/5 to DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno@decadenc on Wed Mar 30 14:55:16 2022
    On Wed, 30 Mar 2022 06:09:40 +0100, <DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno@decadence.org> wrote:

    "Commander Kinsey" <CK1@nospam.com> wrote in news:op.1js37srgmvhs6z@ryzen.lan:

    It would be a war if anyone had the guts to reply. But the entire
    world is too scared of one country!


    Right. A country controlled by a lunatic with 4400+ nuclear warheads
    at his fingertips.

    You ain't real bright, boy.

    And what do you think's gonna happen if you piss him off with sanctions?

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  • From Commander Kinsey@21:1/5 to John Doe on Wed Mar 30 15:02:28 2022
    XPost: free.spam

    On Wed, 30 Mar 2022 11:41:02 +0100, John Doe <always.look@message.header> wrote:

    Always Wrong, the foulmouthed group idiot, threatening another poster...

    Maybe he's Ronnie Pickering?
    https://youtu.be/r0dcv6GKNNw?t=61

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  • From John Doe@21:1/5 to All on Wed Mar 30 14:04:46 2022
    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/germany-gas-supply-emergency-russia-rubles-b2046975.html

    Germany is preparing for war? If it does not relent, it will be crippled.
    So what will Germany do...

    The same INSANE Germany that destroyed its own nuclear power plants,
    making itself more dependent on Russian oil and gas. Not the first time
    Germany has gone BAT SHIT CRAZY INSANE.




    --

    I wrote:

    This looks like a BIG if not HUGE story the media is not focusing on.

    Just search Google for...

    Russia (gas OR oil) Rubles

    Russia says European countries who are arming its enemy (Ukraine) must pay for Russian oil and gas in Rubles. Those countries are refusing to do so, citing "unfairness" and "breach of contract".

    I wonder how easy it is to turn off those pipes.




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  • From Commander Kinsey@21:1/5 to DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno@decadenc on Wed Mar 30 15:04:14 2022
    On Wed, 30 Mar 2022 06:14:29 +0100, <DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno@decadence.org> wrote:

    "Commander Kinsey" <CK1@nospam.com> wrote in news:op.1js6qrqumvhs6z@ryzen.lan:

    Ukraine must surrender and stop trying to join the pansy little EU.

    Somebody must find you and beat you near death with an Ironwood
    shillelagh.

    Why would I be scared of a piece of wood? I have a crowbar that will harm your skull a lot quicker.

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  • From Commander Kinsey@21:1/5 to John Doe on Wed Mar 30 15:03:16 2022
    XPost: free.spam

    On Wed, 30 Mar 2022 11:43:39 +0100, John Doe <always.look@message.header> wrote:

    The foulmouthed group idiot, a.k.a. Always Wrong,
    threatening another poster for not supporting "freedom"...

    Freedom allows Russia to destroy the inferior Ukraine.

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  • From m syadoz@21:1/5 to John Doe on Wed Mar 30 19:45:20 2022
    On Monday, March 28, 2022 at 5:42:53 PM UTC-5, John Doe wrote:
    This looks like a BIG if not HUGE story the media is not focusing on.

    Just search Google for...

    Russia (gas OR oil) Rubles

    Russia says European countries who are arming its enemy (Ukraine) must pay for Russian oil and gas in Rubles. Those countries are refusing to do so, citing "unfairness" and "breach of contract".

    I wonder how easy it is to turn off those pipes.

    Putin caved
    His blackmail attempt failed https://www.dw.com/ru/kommentarij-vot-i-sdulis-gazovo-rublevye-ponty-putina/a-61307131

    Machine translated

    Commentary: Putin's gas-ruble show-offs were blown away
    An attempt to blackmail Gazprom's European clients failed after Germany began to really prepare for shutting off gas, Andrey Gurkov believes.

    No, ladies and gentlemen, you all misunderstood! What makes you think that after March 31 Russia will refuse to supply "unfriendly countries" with its natural gas for completely "compromised currencies" euros and dollars and will take only rubles? And
    who told you that Gazprom was instructed to make appropriate changes to the existing contracts within a week? Putin said ? March 23? At a meeting with the government? Come on!
    Peskov's statement is a reaction to preparations for a gas emergency in Germany “We told you that payment and deliveries are a process stretched out in time,” Dmitry Peskov, the press secretary of the Russian president , assured the astonished journalists on the afternoon of March 30 and explained that there would be no
    transition to new settlement rules the next day, of course, will not.
    The Kremlin mouthpiece made its statement, which immediately spread around the world media, just a few hours after the Vice-Chancellor and Minister of the Economy of Germany, Robert Habeck, activated the early warning mode of a nationwide emergency in
    gas supply. In other words, after Germany, Gazprom's largest foreign client, by a wide margin, began to take the first real steps to prepare the country for a complete halt in gas supplies from Russia.

    Here in the Kremlin they realized that they were playing the anti-Western propaganda games so dear to the Russian public, and they hurried to back up publicly. And what is good, "unfriendly countries" will indeed take and refuse to buy from Russia one of
    its few export goods. After all, the currency is oh so needed now to continue the war and mitigate the consequences of the large-scale crisis of the Russian economy caused by it. The same mutual dependence in the energy sector, which Germany has vainly
    hoped for all the last months, has had its effect!

    Vladimir Putin tried to take the West on a show off - and he miscalculated badly. The owner of the Kremlin has been making more and more such miscalculations lately. He misjudged the prospects for a military invasion of Ukraine, the strength of the
    Ukrainian army, the reaction of Ukrainian society, the cohesion of the West, the severity of its sanctions, the scale of the withdrawal of foreign firms from the Russian market. And now Putin was also mistaken in assessing the readiness of the largest
    European states to abandon Russian gas, even if this threatens them with tangible economic damage.

    Gazprom could lose at least two thirds of the European market

    With his ruble blackmail, the President of the Russian Federation simply did not leave the leading Western countries united in the G7 any choice but to defiantly reject this blackmail on March 28 . At the same time, they formally referred to the need to
    comply with contracts that stipulate payment only in euros or dollars. At the same time, the Kremlin provided the German government with a very convincing alibi for the German voters: it did not demand changes in the terms of long-term contracts, it did
    not threaten to stop gas supplies.

    Even if not all EU countries , but only the European members of the "Big Seven" Germany, Italy, France and Great Britain (USA, Canada and Japan pipeline gas from Gazprom in general) would refuse to pay in rubles and, accordingly, to import Russian gas do
    not receive), then Russia would suddenly lose more than half of its European market. And it and only it can be supplied by export gas pipelines coming from Western Siberia. It would be enough for companies from Austria and Poland, as they promised, to
    join the boycott of rubles, and Gazprom would lose at least two-thirds of the volumes sold in Europe.

    After Putin's currency improvisation, other impromptu should be expected

    As we can see, Moscow is still not ready for such losses, especially since at the same time the refusal of Europeans from coal and oil from Russia is gaining momentum. So, thanks to Putin's currency improvisation, the West received yet another clear
    evidence of how badly the Kremlin is now calculating the consequences of its steps - and yet another convincing proof that Moscow today understands only tough answers.

    Therefore, after Peskov's statement, the German Ministry of Economics should not cancel the regime for preparing the country for an emergency in the gas sector, which, in fact, it is not going to do. Moreover, the Austrian government took a similar step
    on the same day. Russia has now become too unpredictable. That is why it is necessary at any moment to be ready for new ruble fantasies and foreign economic impromptu of its president.

    Author: Andrey Gurkov, economic observer at Deutsche Welle
    The comment expresses the personal opinion of the author. It may not coincide with the opinion of the Russian editors and Deutsche Welle in general.

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  • From Anthony William Sloman@21:1/5 to Commander Kinsey on Wed Mar 30 20:07:11 2022
    On Thursday, March 31, 2022 at 12:34:36 AM UTC+11, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Wed, 30 Mar 2022 01:05:00 +0100, Anthony William Sloman <bill....@ieee.org> wrote:

    On Wednesday, March 30, 2022 at 7:19:38 AM UTC+11, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Tue, 29 Mar 2022 20:37:18 +0100, whit3rd <whi...@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Tuesday, March 29, 2022 at 12:25:57 PM UTC-7, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Tue, 29 Mar 2022 19:25:47 +0100, <DecadentLinux...@decadence.org> wrote:

    "They" stole nothing, you fucking idiot.

    You do know what the USSR was don't you? Go look up an old map.

    My 'Atlacc Mira' pretty clearly shows Ukraine inside USSR, but not
    that ownership devolves to Russia (also inside USSR).

    Putin is, nominally, an elected official of Russia, not USSR.

    Russia was 90% of the USSR, Russia should have what the USSR was.

    Why? It wasn't as if the USSR delivered much in the way of benefits to it's members. Getting rid of monolithic Communist party rule has improved the state of all the former satellites. Russia itself hasn't done as well, mainly because their
    politicians don't seem to have a clue about encouraging and regulating free enterprise, and have set up a kleptocracy which rips off the country for the benefit of the kleptocrats just as badly as the Communist Party ripped off the country for the
    benefit of party members - there were more party members than there are kleptocrats, but the population as a whole doesn't seem to be doing any better.

    Just look at the amount of goods Russia sold. Just look at the increase in expense of gas etc when we refused to buy from them.

    You didn't bother finding the relevant international trade statistics, which probably means that you haven't got a clue about them.

    https://crsreports.congress.gov/product/pdf/IF/IF12066

    About all Russia does sell is oil and gas. It's an otherwise pathetic economy.

    Ukraine must surrender and stop trying to join the pansy little EU.

    The EU isn't little. It's population is 444 million people, an third again bigger than the US and about three times the population of Russia.

    OCD.

    Obsessive compulsive disorder?

    It's a pathetic organisation nobody likes.

    More right-wing delusion.

    It's bad enough having Sturgeon and Boris both ruling Scotland, I don't want Brussels making even more rules.

    Of course you don't. They stop you from doing all the criminal stuff that made you money.

    The EU isn't a real thing, they're member countries in their own right. It's as stupid as the USA with state and federal laws.

    Or the United Provinces of the Netherlands, or the Commonwealth of Australia. Every right-winger seems to want to be a medieval baron, dominating his local dung-heap.

    Ukraine just took back a city that the Russian's had briefly occupied. Surrendering to Russia wouldn't be all that sensible. Doing a bit of territorial expansion into Russia might be a bit ambitious, but it would strengthen their negotiating position.

    Putin must have more weapons than the Ukraine, he should level it.

    He's been trying to for a month now. He may have finally have realised that he hasn't got the numerical superiority he needs to win before he runs out of weapons and the people who have been trained - not well all that well - to use them. He's even
    running out of generals to lead his demoralised cannon-fodder.

    Occupying a thoroughly pissed off country isn't easy - the US thought that they were going be enough more attractive than Saddam Hussein to be able to occupy Irak. Putin probably won't have that illusion.

    --
    Bill Sloman, Sydney

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  • From Anthony William Sloman@21:1/5 to John Doe on Wed Mar 30 20:12:04 2022
    On Thursday, March 31, 2022 at 1:04:52 AM UTC+11, John Doe wrote:
    I wrote:

    This looks like a BIG if not HUGE story the media is not focusing on.

    Just search Google for...

    Russia (gas OR oil) Rubles

    Russia says European countries who are arming its enemy (Ukraine) must pay for Russian oil and gas in Rubles. Those countries are refusing to do so, citing "unfairness" and "breach of contract".

    I wonder how easy it is to turn off those pipes.

    When your national income depends on them?

    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/germany-gas-supply-emergency-russia-rubles-b2046975.html

    Germany is preparing for war? If it does not relent, it will be crippled.
    So what will Germany do...

    Get their gas from other suppliers? That's what international trade is about.

    The same INSANE Germany that destroyed its own nuclear power plants, making itself more dependent on Russian oil and gas. Not the first time Germany has gone BAT SHIT CRAZY INSANE.

    The bat shit crazy John Doe does have a lot of lunatic delusions.

    --
    Bill Sloman, Sydney

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  • From John Doe@21:1/5 to All on Thu Mar 31 03:51:26 2022
    Another Australian troll...


    Bozo Bill Sloman, the most frequent troll in this group, is an attention-craving chronic liar who cannot be reasoned with...

    "the Mueller investigation was about Trump only because Trump made it so"
    (Bozo paraphrased)

    "the concepts "male" and "female" are essentially social constructions"
    (Bill Sloman)

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  • From John Doe@21:1/5 to m syadoz on Thu Mar 31 03:50:24 2022
    XPost: free.spam

    allintext:Russia (gas OR oil) rubles

    Russia is considering expanding that demand to include
    other Russian exports. Time will tell.

    Bat shit crazy Germany's opinion on Russia at this point
    in time is not worth squat...

    --
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    On Monday, March 28, 2022 at 5:42:53 PM UTC-5, John Doe wrote:
    This looks like a BIG if not HUGE story the media is not focusing on.

    Just search Google for...

    Russia (gas OR oil) Rubles

    Russia says European countries who are arming its enemy (Ukraine) must pa
    y
    for Russian oil and gas in Rubles. Those countries are refusing to do so,

    citing "unfairness" and "breach of contract".

    I wonder how easy it is to turn off those pipes.

    Putin caved
    His blackmail attempt failed https://www.dw.com/ru/kommentarij-vot-i-sdulis-gazovo-rublevye-ponty-putina/a-61307131

    Machine translated

    Commentary: Putin's gas-ruble show-offs were blown away
    An attempt to blackmail Gazprom's European clients failed after Germany began to really prepare for shutting off gas, Andrey Gurkov believes.

    No, ladies and gentlemen, you all misunderstood! What makes you think that after March 31 Russia will refuse to supply "unfriendly countries" with its natural gas for completely "compromised currencies" euros and dollars and will take only rubles? And
    who told you that Gazprom was instructed to make appropriate changes to the existing contracts within a week? Putin said ? March 23? At a meeting with the government? Come on!
    Peskov's statement is a reaction to preparations for a gas emergency in Germany
    oWe told you that payment and deliveries are a process stretched out in time, Dmitry Peskov, the press secretary of the Russian president , assured the astonished journalists on the afternoon of March 30 and explained that there would be no
    transition to new settlement rules the next day, of course, will not.
    The Kremlin mouthpiece made its statement, which immediately spread around the world media, just a few hours after the Vice-Chancellor and Minister of the Economy of Germany, Robert Habeck, activated the early warning mode of a nationwide emergency in
    gas supply. In other words, after Germany, Gazprom's largest foreign client, by a wide margin, began to take the first real steps to prepare the country for a complete halt in gas supplies from Russia.

    Here in the Kremlin they realized that they were playing the anti-Western propaganda games so dear to the Russian public, and they hurried to back up publicly. And what is good, "unfriendly countries" will indeed take and refuse to buy from Russia one
    of its few export goods. After all, the currency is oh so needed now to continue the war and mitigate the consequences of the large-scale crisis of the Russian economy caused by it. The same mutual dependence in the energy sector, which Germany has
    vainly hoped for all the last months, has had its effect!

    Vladimir Putin tried to take the West on a show off - and he miscalculated badly. The owner of the Kremlin has been making more and more such miscalculations lately. He misjudged the prospects for a military invasion of Ukraine, the strength of the
    Ukrainian army, the reaction of Ukrainian society, the cohesion of the West, the severity of its sanctions, the scale of the withdrawal of foreign firms from the Russian market. And now Putin was also mistaken in assessing the readiness of the largest
    European states to abandon Russian gas, even if this threatens them with tangible economic damage.

    Gazprom could lose at least two thirds of the European market

    With his ruble blackmail, the President of the Russian Federation simply did not leave the leading Western countries united in the G7 any choice but to defiantly reject this blackmail on March 28 . At the same time, they formally referred to the need
    to comply with contracts that stipulate payment only in euros or dollars. At the same time, the Kremlin provided the German government with a very convincing alibi for the German voters: it did not demand changes in the terms of long-term contracts, it
    did not threaten to stop gas supplies.

    Even if not all EU countries , but only the European members of the "Big Seven" Germany, Italy, France and Great Britain (USA, Canada and Japan pipeline gas from Gazprom in general) would refuse to pay in rubles and, accordingly, to import Russian gas
    do not receive), then Russia would suddenly lose more than half of its European market. And it and only it can be supplied by export gas pipelines coming from Western Siberia. It would be enough for companies from Austria and Poland, as they promised, to
    join the boycott of rubles, and Gazprom would lose at least two-thirds of the volumes sold in Europe.

    After Putin's currency improvisation, other impromptu should be expected

    As we can see, Moscow is still not ready for such losses, especially since at the same time the refusal of Europeans from coal and oil from Russia is gaining momentum. So, thanks to Putin's currency improvisation, the West received yet another clear
    evidence of how badly the Kremlin is now calculating the consequences of its steps - and yet another convincing proof that Moscow today understands only tough answers.

    Therefore, after Peskov's statement, the German Ministry of Economics should not cancel the regime for preparing the country for an emergency in the gas sector, which, in fact, it is not going to do. Moreover, the Austrian government took a similar
    step on the same day. Russia has now become too unpredictable. That is why it is necessary at any moment to be ready for new ruble fantasies and foreign economic impromptu of its president.

    Author: Andrey Gurkov, economic observer at Deutsche Welle
    The comment expresses the personal opinion of the author. It may not coincide with the opinion of the Russian editors and Deutsche Welle in general.











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  • From John Doe@21:1/5 to All on Thu Mar 31 03:50:56 2022
    Bozo doesn't know its ass from a hole in the ground.


    Bozo Bill Sloman, the most frequent troll in this group, is an attention-craving chronic liar who cannot be reasoned with...

    "the Mueller investigation was about Trump only because Trump made it so"
    (Bozo paraphrased)

    "the concepts "male" and "female" are essentially social constructions"
    (Bill Sloman)

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  • From Edward Hernandez@21:1/5 to All on Thu Mar 31 04:26:45 2022
    XPost: free.spam

    The John Doe troll stated the following in message-id <sdhn7c$pkp$4@dont-email.me>:

    The troll doesn't even know how to format a USENET post...

    And the John Doe troll stated the following in message-id <sg3kr7$qt5$1@dont-email.me>:

    The reason Bozo cannot figure out how to get Google to keep from
    breaking its lines in inappropriate places is because Bozo is
    CLUELESS...

    And yet, the clueless John Doe troll has itself posted yet another
    incorrectly formatted USENET posting on Thu, 31 Mar 2022 03:50:24 -0000
    (UTC) in message-id <t238e0$ags$1@dont-email.me>.

    ZvEzDlyYEnw1

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  • From Martin Brown@21:1/5 to Anthony William Sloman on Thu Mar 31 13:13:03 2022
    On 31/03/2022 04:07, Anthony William Sloman wrote:
    On Thursday, March 31, 2022 at 12:34:36 AM UTC+11, Commander Kinsey
    wrote:
    On Wed, 30 Mar 2022 01:05:00 +0100, Anthony William Sloman
    <bill....@ieee.org> wrote:


    Ukraine just took back a city that the Russian's had briefly
    occupied. Surrendering to Russia wouldn't be all that sensible.
    Doing a bit of territorial expansion into Russia might be a bit
    ambitious, but it would strengthen their negotiating position.

    Putin must have more weapons than the Ukraine, he should level it.

    He's been trying to for a month now. He may have finally have
    realised that he hasn't got the numerical superiority he needs to win
    before he runs out of weapons and the people who have been trained -
    not well all that well - to use them. He's even running out of
    generals to lead his demoralised cannon-fodder.

    It is even weirder that that. GCHQ reckons pissed off conscript Russian soldiers have been shooting down their own air support and sabotaging
    vehicle convoys not to mention broadcasting the location of their field commanders in the clear. Not exactly professional behaviour!

    https://www.businessinsider.com/gchq-putin-advisers-arent-telling-him-truth-about-ukraine-invasion-2022-3?r=US&IR=T

    https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/britains-gchq-spy-chief-says-russian-soldiers-refused-carry-out-orders-ukraine-2022-03-30/

    It seems Western intelligence agencies (with the sole exception of the
    French) had more idea of Putin's plans than most Russians. The Frogs
    have just fired their intelligence head of secret service:

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-60938538

    Occupying a thoroughly pissed off country isn't easy - the US thought
    that they were going be enough more attractive than Saddam Hussein to
    be able to occupy Irak. Putin probably won't have that illusion.

    Vietnam followed closely by Afghanistan was probably the nadir for the US. Grenada in 1983 was perhaps the most bizarre US invasion & occupation.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_invasion_of_Grenada

    I find it more than a little peculiar that the deranged far right
    nutters that infest this group are posting in support of Putin!
    I guess that is what watching Russia Today does to your brain.

    --
    Regards,
    Martin Brown

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  • From Anthony William Sloman@21:1/5 to Martin Brown on Thu Mar 31 06:31:57 2022
    On Thursday, March 31, 2022 at 11:13:15 PM UTC+11, Martin Brown wrote:
    On 31/03/2022 04:07, Anthony William Sloman wrote:
    On Thursday, March 31, 2022 at 12:34:36 AM UTC+11, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Wed, 30 Mar 2022 01:05:00 +0100, Anthony William Sloman <bill....@ieee.org> wrote:

    <snip>

    I find it more than a little peculiar that the deranged far right
    nutters that infest this group are posting in support of Putin!
    I guess that is what watching Russia Today does to your brain.

    Can you watch Russia Today if you have any kind of working brain?

    I find Sky News - the Australian branch of Fox News - much too irritating to put up with, not that I spend much time trying, since it only shows up when I'm channel-hopping.

    --
    Bill Sloman, Sydney

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  • From John Doe@21:1/5 to Edward Hernandez on Thu Mar 31 16:03:47 2022
    XPost: free.spam

    Poor liddle Eddie got spanked and just can't get over it.

    Unless Eddie is nym-shifting, it has never posted anything NORMAL
    except when it got a severe spanking...

    https://groups.google.com/g/sci.electronics.repair/c/MesPLcGU4BE

    Is the stalker a nym-shifting troll, or a newbie netcop wannabe?

    See also...
    Peter Weiner <dtgamer99@gmail.com>
    Edward H. <dtgamer99@gmail.com>
    Edward Hernandez <dtgamer99@gmail.com>

    Eddie is an example for all newbies. Don't get spanked!

    Spanked Eddie...

    --
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    The John Doe troll stated the following in message-id <sdhn7c$pkp$4@dont-email.me>:

    The troll doesn't even know how to format a USENET post...

    And the John Doe troll stated the following in message-id <sg3kr7$qt5$1@dont-email.me>:

    The reason Bozo cannot figure out how to get Google to keep from
    breaking its lines in inappropriate places is because Bozo is
    CLUELESS...

    And yet, the clueless John Doe troll has itself posted yet another incorrectly formatted USENET posting on Thu, 31 Mar 2022 03:50:24 -0000
    (UTC) in message-id <t238e0$ags$1@dont-email.me>.

    ZvEzDlyYEnw1




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  • From John Doe@21:1/5 to John Doe on Thu Mar 31 16:36:49 2022
    https://abcnews.go.com/Business/wireStory/italy-russia-seek-payment-rubles-natural-gas-83784262

    Today...

    ROME -- "Unfriendly countries" can continue to pay for natural gas in
    foreign currency through a Russian bank that will convert the money into rubles, according to a Kremlin decree published by state media Thursday, a
    day after the leaders of Italy and Germany said they received assurances
    from President Vladimir Putin.

    Putin talked tougher, saying Russia will start accepting ruble payments starting Friday for Western countries that imposed sanctions over its
    conflict with Ukraine. He said contracts will be stopped if buyers don't
    sign up to the new conditions, including opening ruble accounts in Russian banks.

    "If these payments are not made, we will consider it a failure of the
    buyer to fulfil its obligations, with all the ensuing consequences," Putin said.




    John Doe <always.look@message.header> wrote:

    This looks like a BIG if not HUGE story the media is not focusing on.

    Just search Google for...

    Russia (gas OR oil) Rubles

    Russia says European countries who are arming its enemy (Ukraine) must pay for Russian oil and gas in Rubles. Those countries are refusing to do so, citing "unfairness" and "breach of contract".

    I wonder how easy it is to turn off those pipes.




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  • From Edward Hernandez@21:1/5 to All on Thu Mar 31 16:46:28 2022
    XPost: free.spam

    The John Doe troll stated the following in message-id <sdhn7c$pkp$4@dont-email.me>:

    The troll doesn't even know how to format a USENET post...

    And the John Doe troll stated the following in message-id <sg3kr7$qt5$1@dont-email.me>:

    The reason Bozo cannot figure out how to get Google to keep from
    breaking its lines in inappropriate places is because Bozo is
    CLUELESS...

    And yet, the clueless John Doe troll has continued to post incorrectly formatted USENET articles that are devoid of content (latest example on
    Thu, 31 Mar 2022 16:03:47 -0000 (UTC) in message-id <t24jd3$180$1@dont-email.me>).

    NOBODY likes the John Doe troll's contentless spam.

    Further, Troll Doe stated the following in message-id <svsh05$lbh$5@dont-email.me> posted Fri, 4 Mar 2022 08:01:09 -0000
    (UTC):

    Compared to other regulars, Bozo contributes practically nothing
    except insults to this group.

    Yet, since Wed, 5 Jan 2022 04:10:38 -0000 (UTC) Troll Doe's post ratio
    to USENET has been 54.1% of its posts contributing "nothing except
    insults" to USENET.

    This posting is a public service announcement for any google groups
    readers who happen by to point out that the John Doe troll does not even
    follow the rules it uses to troll other posters.

    iK4qfpt5O9KL

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  • From m syadoz@21:1/5 to All on Thu Mar 31 10:24:52 2022
    Selected paras

    https://metro.co.uk/2022/03/31/ukraine-putin-threatens-to-cut-europe-off-from-russian-gas-16381746/

    French finance Minister Bruno Le Maire said France and Germany rejected Russia’s demand.

    The G7 previously rejected the proposal outright when it was first touted by the Kremlin.

    Following the announcement, German chancellor Olaf Scholz said his government would keep paying in euros and dollars, setting up a showdown with Russia.

    Speaking to Reuters, an anonymous Western security official cast doubt on Mr Putin’s threats.

    They said: ‘It is also incredibly difficult for Russia to stop selling oil and gas to western Europe and even if over a period they might be able to increase some sales to the east, to China, to India, it is not going to replace sales that they are
    currently making to western Europe.

    ‘I am very skeptical these sorts of threats will be seen through, I think it would just be too damaging to the Russian state.’

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  • From DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno@decadenc@21:1/5 to Commander Kinsey on Thu Mar 31 19:13:29 2022
    "Commander Kinsey" <CK1@nospam.com> wrote in
    news:op.1jujme04mvhs6z@ryzen.lan:

    On Wed, 30 Mar 2022 06:09:40 +0100, <DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno@decadence.org> wrote:

    "Commander Kinsey" <CK1@nospam.com> wrote in
    news:op.1js37srgmvhs6z@ryzen.lan:

    It would be a war if anyone had the guts to reply. But the
    entire world is too scared of one country!


    Right. A country controlled by a lunatic with 4400+ nuclear
    warheads at his fingertips.

    You ain't real bright, boy.

    And what do you think's gonna happen if you piss him off with
    sanctions?


    Not spark a nuclear response, you retarded twerp.

    All you command is the grip your hand has on your undersized
    noodle. No other reason for the stupid shit you spew.

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  • From DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno@decadenc@21:1/5 to Commander Kinsey on Thu Mar 31 19:11:20 2022
    "Commander Kinsey" <CK1@nospam.com> wrote in
    news:op.1jujk3nvmvhs6z@ryzen.lan:

    An idiot rolling on the floor pissing yourself stinky loser

    Why isn't your country blowing up Putin's silos?

    Since you decidedly do not even know why that is a very stupid
    question, you should not be arguing about politics or military or the
    actions of either.

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  • From DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno@decadenc@21:1/5 to Commander Kinsey on Thu Mar 31 19:19:58 2022
    "Commander Kinsey" <CK1@nospam.com> wrote in
    news:op.1juj1chamvhs6z@ryzen.lan:

    On Wed, 30 Mar 2022 06:14:29 +0100, <DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno@decadence.org> wrote:

    "Commander Kinsey" <CK1@nospam.com> wrote in
    news:op.1js6qrqumvhs6z@ryzen.lan:

    Ukraine must surrender and stop trying to join the pansy little
    EU.

    Somebody must find you and beat you near death with an Ironwood
    shillelagh.

    Why would I be scared of a piece of wood? I have a crowbar that
    will harm your skull a lot quicker.


    Don't shit yerself, boy. Those shillelagh are cursed and have crushed
    more skulls than the number of crowbars ever produced. Your pansy
    little grasp on the history means you should get a russian missle
    shoved up your panzy little ass. Put you out in a field and then set
    it off. On YouTube, of course.

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  • From DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno@decadenc@21:1/5 to Commander Kinsey on Thu Mar 31 19:15:57 2022
    "Commander Kinsey" <CK1@nospam.com> wrote in
    news:op.1jujnbismvhs6z@ryzen.lan:

    On Wed, 30 Mar 2022 06:15:35 +0100, <DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno@decadence.org> wrote:

    "Commander Kinsey" <CK1@nospam.com> wrote in
    news:op.1js6rmf9mvhs6z@ryzen.lan:

    Might is right. Fuck the weak.

    Then post your address, pussy. Someone will come over and let
    you
    taste what's right for you. Fuck your 20 IQ mentality.

    Find it, it's on the internet. And it's 135 IQ.


    When? Back in '63? You ain't real bright backing Russia, boy.
    Ooops. The needle is not supposed to move much in life, but you idiots
    always find a way to take a deeper dive over the left side of the bell
    curve.

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  • From John Doe@21:1/5 to DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno@decadenc on Thu Mar 31 19:26:21 2022
    XPost: free.spam

    Always Wrong, the foulmouthed troll who threatened
    to kill me for not supporting "freedom"...

    --
    DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno@decadence.org wrote:

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    From: DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno@decadence.org
    Newsgroups: sci.electronics.design
    Subject: Re: OT: Sanctions
    Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2022 19:15:57 -0000 (UTC)
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    "Commander Kinsey" <CK1@nospam.com> wrote in news:op.1jujnbismvhs6z@ryzen.lan:

    On Wed, 30 Mar 2022 06:15:35 +0100,
    <DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno@decadence.org> wrote:

    "Commander Kinsey" <CK1@nospam.com> wrote in
    news:op.1js6rmf9mvhs6z@ryzen.lan:

    Might is right. Fuck the weak.

    Then post your address, pussy. Someone will come over and let
    you
    taste what's right for you. Fuck your 20 IQ mentality.

    Find it, it's on the internet. And it's 135 IQ.


    When? Back in '63? You ain't real bright backing Russia, boy.
    Ooops. The needle is not supposed to move much in life, but you idiots always find a way to take a deeper dive over the left side of the bell
    curve.



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  • From Commander Kinsey@21:1/5 to DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno@decadenc on Thu Mar 31 20:35:32 2022
    On Thu, 31 Mar 2022 20:13:29 +0100, <DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno@decadence.org> wrote:

    "Commander Kinsey" <CK1@nospam.com> wrote in news:op.1jujme04mvhs6z@ryzen.lan:

    On Wed, 30 Mar 2022 06:09:40 +0100,
    <DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno@decadence.org> wrote:

    "Commander Kinsey" <CK1@nospam.com> wrote in
    news:op.1js37srgmvhs6z@ryzen.lan:

    It would be a war if anyone had the guts to reply. But the
    entire world is too scared of one country!


    Right. A country controlled by a lunatic with 4400+ nuclear
    warheads at his fingertips.

    You ain't real bright, boy.

    And what do you think's gonna happen if you piss him off with
    sanctions?

    Not spark a nuclear response, you retarded twerp.

    Piss him off in any way and he will use them.

    All you command is the grip your hand has on your undersized
    noodle. No other reason for the stupid shit you spew.

    Your childish insults suggest you don't have any facts to base your opinions on.

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  • From Commander Kinsey@21:1/5 to DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno@decadenc on Thu Mar 31 20:34:49 2022
    On Thu, 31 Mar 2022 20:11:20 +0100, <DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno@decadence.org> wrote:

    "Commander Kinsey" <CK1@nospam.com> wrote in news:op.1jujk3nvmvhs6z@ryzen.lan:

    An idiot rolling on the floor pissing yourself stinky loser

    Why isn't your country blowing up Putin's silos?

    Since you decidedly do not even know why that is a very stupid
    question, you should not be arguing about politics or military or the
    actions of either.

    Awwww don't you know the answer?

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  • From Commander Kinsey@21:1/5 to DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno@decadenc on Thu Mar 31 20:36:30 2022
    On Thu, 31 Mar 2022 20:15:57 +0100, <DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno@decadence.org> wrote:

    "Commander Kinsey" <CK1@nospam.com> wrote in news:op.1jujnbismvhs6z@ryzen.lan:

    On Wed, 30 Mar 2022 06:15:35 +0100,
    <DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno@decadence.org> wrote:

    "Commander Kinsey" <CK1@nospam.com> wrote in
    news:op.1js6rmf9mvhs6z@ryzen.lan:

    Might is right. Fuck the weak.

    Then post your address, pussy. Someone will come over and let
    you
    taste what's right for you. Fuck your 20 IQ mentality.

    Find it, it's on the internet. And it's 135 IQ.


    When? Back in '63?

    I wasn't alive in 63 you idiot.

    You ain't real bright backing Russia, boy.
    Ooops. The needle is not supposed to move much in life, but you idiots always find a way to take a deeper dive over the left side of the bell
    curve.

    Russia has never been beaten by the "mighty" USA. Come on, show us what you've got....

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  • From Commander Kinsey@21:1/5 to DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno@decadenc on Thu Mar 31 20:37:47 2022
    On Thu, 31 Mar 2022 20:19:58 +0100, <DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno@decadence.org> wrote:

    "Commander Kinsey" <CK1@nospam.com> wrote in news:op.1juj1chamvhs6z@ryzen.lan:

    On Wed, 30 Mar 2022 06:14:29 +0100,
    <DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno@decadence.org> wrote:

    "Commander Kinsey" <CK1@nospam.com> wrote in
    news:op.1js6qrqumvhs6z@ryzen.lan:

    Ukraine must surrender and stop trying to join the pansy little
    EU.

    Somebody must find you and beat you near death with an Ironwood
    shillelagh.

    Why would I be scared of a piece of wood? I have a crowbar that
    will harm your skull a lot quicker.


    Don't shit yerself, boy. Those shillelagh are cursed and have crushed
    more skulls than the number of crowbars ever produced.

    Curses are only believed in by religious nutters, most of which were a few centuries ago. But then again, America is still full of morons who think god exists.

    Your pansy
    little grasp on the history means you should get a russian missle
    shoved up your panzy little ass. Put you out in a field and then set
    it off. On YouTube, of course.

    Why would Russia attack me? I'm thinking of defecting to their wonderful country.

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  • From Edward Hernandez@21:1/5 to All on Thu Mar 31 19:43:30 2022
    XPost: free.spam

    The John Doe troll stated the following in message-id <sdhn7c$pkp$4@dont-email.me>:

    The troll doesn't even know how to format a USENET post...

    And the John Doe troll stated the following in message-id <sg3kr7$qt5$1@dont-email.me>:

    The reason Bozo cannot figure out how to get Google to keep from
    breaking its lines in inappropriate places is because Bozo is
    CLUELESS...

    And yet, the clueless John Doe troll has itself posted yet another
    incorrectly formatted USENET posting on Thu, 31 Mar 2022 19:26:21 -0000
    (UTC) in message-id <t24v8s$1ij$2@dont-email.me>.

    zCMigJLz/t+1

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  • From John Doe@21:1/5 to Edward Hernandez on Thu Mar 31 19:58:13 2022
    XPost: free.spam

    Poor liddle Eddie got spanked and just can't get over it.

    Unless Eddie is nym-shifting, it has never posted anything NORMAL
    except when it got a severe spanking...

    https://groups.google.com/g/sci.electronics.repair/c/MesPLcGU4BE

    Is the stalker a nym-shifting troll, or a newbie netcop wannabe?

    See also...
    Peter Weiner <dtgamer99@gmail.com>
    Edward H. <dtgamer99@gmail.com>
    Edward Hernandez <dtgamer99@gmail.com>

    Eddie is an example for all newbies. Don't get spanked!

    Spanked Eddie...

    --
    Edward Hernandez <dtgamer99@gmail.com> wrote:

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    highwinds-media.com!fx01.ams4.POSTED!not-for-mail
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    Subject: Re: OT: Sanctions
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    The John Doe troll stated the following in message-id <sdhn7c$pkp$4@dont-email.me>:

    The troll doesn't even know how to format a USENET post...

    And the John Doe troll stated the following in message-id <sg3kr7$qt5$1@dont-email.me>:

    The reason Bozo cannot figure out how to get Google to keep from
    breaking its lines in inappropriate places is because Bozo is
    CLUELESS...

    And yet, the clueless John Doe troll has itself posted yet another incorrectly formatted USENET posting on Thu, 31 Mar 2022 19:26:21 -0000
    (UTC) in message-id <t24v8s$1ij$2@dont-email.me>.

    zCMigJLz/t+1




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  • From Edward Hernandez@21:1/5 to All on Thu Mar 31 20:01:49 2022
    XPost: free.spam

    The John Doe troll stated the following in message-id <sdhn7c$pkp$4@dont-email.me>:

    The troll doesn't even know how to format a USENET post...

    And the John Doe troll stated the following in message-id <sg3kr7$qt5$1@dont-email.me>:

    The reason Bozo cannot figure out how to get Google to keep from
    breaking its lines in inappropriate places is because Bozo is
    CLUELESS...

    And yet, the clueless John Doe troll has itself posted yet another
    incorrectly formatted USENET posting on Thu, 31 Mar 2022 19:58:13 -0000
    (UTC) in message-id <t2514k$kre$1@dont-email.me>.

    RNW0trM3h+Nf

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  • From whit3rd@21:1/5 to Commander Kinsey on Thu Mar 31 13:40:16 2022
    On Thursday, March 31, 2022 at 12:37:56 PM UTC-7, Commander Kinsey wrote:

    Why would Russia attack me? I'm thinking of defecting to their wonderful country.

    Oh, you're thinking? Not just obeying? The cheka have you on their list...

    Seriously, the 'why would Russia' questions don't always have rational answers.

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  • From Joe Gwinn@21:1/5 to All on Thu Mar 31 17:03:29 2022
    On Mon, 28 Mar 2022 22:32:01 -0000 (UTC), Mike Monett <spamme@not.com>
    wrote:

    John Larkin <jlarkin@highland_atwork_technology.com> wrote:

    On Mon, 28 Mar 2022 11:51:53 -0400, Joe Gwinn <joegwinn@comcast.net>
    wrote:

    [...]

    The Japanese knew immediately that the weapon had to be atomic, and
    when Nagasaki was hit, they knew that the US had more than one such
    bomb, and so could continue using such bombs.

    Actually, we used up all the fissile material available on those two.
    The uranium bomb was not even tested. It would have been some time
    before we could have made more bombs.

    There was a third core, nicknamed the Demon Core. It was intended for use in >Japan if the first two failed to force surrender:

    .<https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hK9yAYJGeUY>

    I vaguely recall that. It does make sense.

    It would have made a holy mess, even if it didn't obliterate Tokyo.

    Joe Gwinn

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  • From Commander Kinsey@21:1/5 to John Doe on Thu Mar 31 22:19:48 2022
    XPost: free.spam

    On Thu, 31 Mar 2022 20:26:21 +0100, John Doe <always.look@message.header> wrote:

    Always Wrong, the foulmouthed troll who threatened
    to kill me for not supporting "freedom"...

    He uses Linux, don't expect any brains.

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  • From Commander Kinsey@21:1/5 to Anthony William Sloman on Thu Mar 31 22:24:34 2022
    On Thu, 31 Mar 2022 04:07:11 +0100, Anthony William Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> wrote:

    On Thursday, March 31, 2022 at 12:34:36 AM UTC+11, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Wed, 30 Mar 2022 01:05:00 +0100, Anthony William Sloman <bill....@ieee.org> wrote:

    On Wednesday, March 30, 2022 at 7:19:38 AM UTC+11, Commander Kinsey wrote: >> >> On Tue, 29 Mar 2022 20:37:18 +0100, whit3rd <whi...@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Tuesday, March 29, 2022 at 12:25:57 PM UTC-7, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Tue, 29 Mar 2022 19:25:47 +0100, <DecadentLinux...@decadence.org> wrote:

    "They" stole nothing, you fucking idiot.

    You do know what the USSR was don't you? Go look up an old map.

    My 'Atlacc Mira' pretty clearly shows Ukraine inside USSR, but not
    that ownership devolves to Russia (also inside USSR).

    Putin is, nominally, an elected official of Russia, not USSR.

    Russia was 90% of the USSR, Russia should have what the USSR was.

    Why? It wasn't as if the USSR delivered much in the way of benefits to it's members. Getting rid of monolithic Communist party rule has improved the state of all the former satellites. Russia itself hasn't done as well, mainly because their
    politicians don't seem to have a clue about encouraging and regulating free enterprise, and have set up a kleptocracy which rips off the country for the benefit of the kleptocrats just as badly as the Communist Party ripped off the country for the
    benefit of party members - there were more party members than there are kleptocrats, but the population as a whole doesn't seem to be doing any better.

    Just look at the amount of goods Russia sold. Just look at the increase in expense of gas etc when we refused to buy from them.

    You didn't bother finding the relevant international trade statistics, which probably means that you haven't got a clue about them.

    https://crsreports.congress.gov/product/pdf/IF/IF12066

    About all Russia does sell is oil and gas. It's an otherwise pathetic economy.

    Those are the most used most expensive things in the world. Look up "Arab riches oil".

    Ukraine must surrender and stop trying to join the pansy little EU.

    The EU isn't little. It's population is 444 million people, an third again bigger than the US and about three times the population of Russia.

    OCD.

    Obsessive compulsive disorder?

    [claps]

    It's a pathetic organisation nobody likes.

    More right-wing delusion.

    You say that like right wing is a bad thing. Left wing is control. Why do you want to be controlled?

    It's bad enough having Sturgeon and Boris both ruling Scotland, I don't want Brussels making even more rules.

    Of course you don't. They stop you from doing all the criminal stuff that made you money.

    If it was criminal it would be illegal by my own government's ruling, I don't need a foreign power giving me more laws.

    The EU isn't a real thing, they're member countries in their own right. It's as stupid as the USA with state and federal laws.

    Or the United Provinces of the Netherlands, or the Commonwealth of Australia. Every right-winger seems to want to be a medieval baron, dominating his local dung-heap.

    No, I want to own my own stuff. Pure logic.

    Ukraine just took back a city that the Russian's had briefly occupied. Surrendering to Russia wouldn't be all that sensible. Doing a bit of territorial expansion into Russia might be a bit ambitious, but it would strengthen their negotiating
    position.

    Putin must have more weapons than the Ukraine, he should level it.

    He's been trying to for a month now. He may have finally have realised that he hasn't got the numerical superiority he needs to win before he runs out of weapons and the people who have been trained - not well all that well - to use them. He's even
    running out of generals to lead his demoralised cannon-fodder.

    The Ukraine has fuck all to fight back with. He should have just nuked the Ukraine in one surprise attack.

    Occupying a thoroughly pissed off country isn't easy - the US thought that they were going be enough more attractive than Saddam Hussein to be able to occupy Irak. Putin probably won't have that illusion.

    The US couldn't kill Hussein, they were pathetic. Big bomb, level the whole country, the USA has enough power to do that. We don't need Iraqis.

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  • From Commander Kinsey@21:1/5 to whit3rd@gmail.com on Thu Mar 31 22:20:46 2022
    On Thu, 31 Mar 2022 21:40:16 +0100, whit3rd <whit3rd@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Thursday, March 31, 2022 at 12:37:56 PM UTC-7, Commander Kinsey wrote:

    Why would Russia attack me? I'm thinking of defecting to their wonderful country.

    Oh, you're thinking? Not just obeying? The cheka have you on their list...

    Seriously, the 'why would Russia' questions don't always have rational answers.

    You're showing your lack of intelligence, assuming the opponent is stupid. Do you have the stars and stripes hanging from the back of your "truck"?

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  • From Commander Kinsey@21:1/5 to Martin Brown on Thu Mar 31 22:57:41 2022
    On Thu, 31 Mar 2022 13:13:03 +0100, Martin Brown <'''newspam'''@nonad.co.uk> wrote:

    On 31/03/2022 04:07, Anthony William Sloman wrote:
    On Thursday, March 31, 2022 at 12:34:36 AM UTC+11, Commander Kinsey
    wrote:
    On Wed, 30 Mar 2022 01:05:00 +0100, Anthony William Sloman
    <bill....@ieee.org> wrote:


    Ukraine just took back a city that the Russian's had briefly
    occupied. Surrendering to Russia wouldn't be all that sensible.
    Doing a bit of territorial expansion into Russia might be a bit
    ambitious, but it would strengthen their negotiating position.

    Putin must have more weapons than the Ukraine, he should level it.

    He's been trying to for a month now. He may have finally have
    realised that he hasn't got the numerical superiority he needs to win
    before he runs out of weapons and the people who have been trained -
    not well all that well - to use them. He's even running out of
    generals to lead his demoralised cannon-fodder.

    It is even weirder that that. GCHQ reckons pissed off conscript Russian soldiers have been shooting down their own air support and sabotaging
    vehicle convoys not to mention broadcasting the location of their field commanders in the clear. Not exactly professional behaviour!

    Defectors, brainwashed by American propaganda that "the west" is wonderful.

    https://www.businessinsider.com/gchq-putin-advisers-arent-telling-him-truth-about-ukraine-invasion-2022-3?r=US&IR=T

    https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/britains-gchq-spy-chief-says-russian-soldiers-refused-carry-out-orders-ukraine-2022-03-30/

    It seems Western intelligence agencies (with the sole exception of the French) had more idea of Putin's plans than most Russians. The Frogs
    have just fired their intelligence head of secret service:

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-60938538

    Occupying a thoroughly pissed off country isn't easy - the US thought
    that they were going be enough more attractive than Saddam Hussein to
    be able to occupy Irak. Putin probably won't have that illusion.

    Vietnam followed closely by Afghanistan was probably the nadir for the US. Grenada in 1983 was perhaps the most bizarre US invasion & occupation.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_invasion_of_Grenada

    I find it more than a little peculiar that the deranged far right
    nutters that infest this group are posting in support of Putin!

    What on earth makes you think right wing is wrong? Left wing steals your money for public services you'll probably never use. Forced charity, or theft.

    I guess that is what watching Russia Today does to your brain.

    It's the only unbiassed channel. Don't believe any British or American news.

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  • From John Doe@21:1/5 to All on Thu Mar 31 23:27:24 2022
    Electronics...

    https://english.alarabiya.net/News/world/2022/04/01/US-slaps-sanctions-on-Russian-tech-firms-including-largest-chip-maker

    "US slaps sanctions on Russian tech firms, including largest chip maker"

    "The United States hit a series of Russian tech firms with sanctions
    Thursday, including the nation's largest chip maker, in the latest
    punitive move against Vladimir Putin's "war machine."






    --

    I wrote:

    I don't understand why we are putting sanctions on Russia. THE SANCTIONS
    ARE HURTING AMERICANS MORE THAN RUSSIA'S INVASION OF UKRAINE HURT
    AMERICANS. Seems lots of people want to hurt Russia more than they want to help their own country.

    Russia's non-aggressive response to Ukraine's unfair tariffs on its oil
    pipes was to build oil pipes around Ukraine. This recent invasion didn't
    even interrupt oil supply to Europe. But Europeans insist on doing so!

    Jimmy Carter, known for trashing our economy (but of course it was the
    other guy's fault), prevented us from selling wheat to Russia. Now Russia exports wheat.

    It's not working!

    Killing 500,000 Iraqi children with sanctions is "worth it" according to Madeleine Albright...

    https://youtu.be/RM0uvgHKZe8

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  • From m syadoz@21:1/5 to m syadoz on Thu Mar 31 18:45:40 2022
    It has not escaped my notice that the date of implementation for the only rubles order is April 1. Prima Aprilis Putin. Joke’s on you.

    #####


    Like the nuclear weapons he has brandished rhetorically, an actual cutoff would entail some mutually assured destruction.==Bloomberg opinion

    https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2022-03-31/putin-would-be-crazy-to-cut-off-europe-s-gas-or-desperate



    On Thursday, March 31, 2022 at 12:24:56 PM UTC-5, m syadoz wrote:
    Selected paras

    https://metro.co.uk/2022/03/31/ukraine-putin-threatens-to-cut-europe-off-from-russian-gas-16381746/

    French finance Minister Bruno Le Maire said France and Germany rejected Russia’s demand.

    The G7 previously rejected the proposal outright when it was first touted by the Kremlin.

    Following the announcement, German chancellor Olaf Scholz said his government would keep paying in euros and dollars, setting up a showdown with Russia.

    Speaking to Reuters, an anonymous Western security official cast doubt on Mr Putin’s threats.

    They said: ‘It is also incredibly difficult for Russia to stop selling oil and gas to western Europe and even if over a period they might be able to increase some sales to the east, to China, to India, it is not going to replace sales that they are
    currently making to western Europe.

    ‘I am very skeptical these sorts of threats will be seen through, I think it would just be too damaging to the Russian state.’

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  • From Anthony William Sloman@21:1/5 to John Doe on Thu Mar 31 19:10:24 2022
    On Friday, April 1, 2022 at 10:27:33 AM UTC+11, John Doe wrote:
    I wrote:

    I don't understand why we are putting sanctions on Russia. THE SANCTIONS ARE HURTING AMERICANS MORE THAN RUSSIA'S INVASION OF UKRAINE HURT AMERICANS. Seems lots of people want to hurt Russia more than they want to help their own country.

    John Doe doesn't understand much at the best of times. Getting a more honest and responsible government in Russia would offer definite advantages to the US and the rest of the world, but John Doe is too dim to realise that Putin and his kleptocrats are
    danger to themselves and the rest of the world

    Russia's non-aggressive response to Ukraine's unfair tariffs on its oil pipes was to build oil pipes around Ukraine. This recent invasion didn't even interrupt oil supply to Europe. But Europeans insist on doing so!

    With good reason, but not one that John doe can udnerstand.

    Jimmy Carter, known for trashing our economy (but of course it was the other guy's fault), prevented us from selling wheat to Russia. Now Russia exports wheat.

    The USSR always exported wheat, most of it grown in the Ukraine. The Ukraine was producing 14% of the world's wheat.

    https://www.reuters.com/world/ukraine-sow-many-crops-possible-this-spring-president-2022-03-11/

    It's not working!

    Not that John Doe can explain why.

    <snip>

    Electronics...

    https://english.alarabiya.net/News/world/2022/04/01/US-slaps-sanctions-on-Russian-tech-firms-including-largest-chip-maker

    "US slaps sanctions on Russian tech firms, including largest chip maker"

    "The United States hit a series of Russian tech firms with sanctions Thursday, including the nation's largest chip maker, in the latest punitive move against Vladimir Putin's "war machine."

    So what?

    --
    Bill Sloman, Sydney


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  • From m syadoz@21:1/5 to m syadoz on Thu Mar 31 21:11:25 2022
    germany is considering expropriating the German subsidiaries of Gazprom and Rosneft.
    Lol

    https://www.handelsblatt.com/politik/deutschland/ukraine-krieg-energieversorgung-bedroht-habeck-spielt-rettung-russischer-tochterunternehmen-durch/28217476.html

    On Thursday, March 31, 2022 at 8:45:43 PM UTC-5, m syadoz wrote:
    It has not escaped my notice that the date of implementation for the only rubles order is April 1. Prima Aprilis Putin. Joke’s on you.

    #####


    Like the nuclear weapons he has brandished rhetorically, an actual cutoff would entail some mutually assured destruction.==Bloomberg opinion

    https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2022-03-31/putin-would-be-crazy-to-cut-off-europe-s-gas-or-desperate
    On Thursday, March 31, 2022 at 12:24:56 PM UTC-5, m syadoz wrote:
    Selected paras

    https://metro.co.uk/2022/03/31/ukraine-putin-threatens-to-cut-europe-off-from-russian-gas-16381746/

    French finance Minister Bruno Le Maire said France and Germany rejected Russia’s demand.

    The G7 previously rejected the proposal outright when it was first touted by the Kremlin.

    Following the announcement, German chancellor Olaf Scholz said his government would keep paying in euros and dollars, setting up a showdown with Russia.

    Speaking to Reuters, an anonymous Western security official cast doubt on Mr Putin’s threats.

    They said: ‘It is also incredibly difficult for Russia to stop selling oil and gas to western Europe and even if over a period they might be able to increase some sales to the east, to China, to India, it is not going to replace sales that they are
    currently making to western Europe.

    ‘I am very skeptical these sorts of threats will be seen through, I think it would just be too damaging to the Russian state.’

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  • From John Doe@21:1/5 to All on Fri Apr 1 15:26:18 2022
    Germany can run on windmills and unicorns?

    This little troll sure is excited...



    m syadoz <syadoz1@gmail.com> wrote:

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  • From John Doe@21:1/5 to All on Fri Apr 1 19:57:03 2022
    Ditte Juul Jorgensen, Director-General for @Energy4Europe, European
    Commission, today...

    "Our unity is our strength. Working closely with Member States and
    operators. EU coordination today to establish a common approach on
    currency payments for gas contracts with Russia."

    Italy wants to make a deal. Seems Germany and France are bloviating.
    Can Germany run on windmills and unicorns?

    Important stuff comes by the middle of this month.









    I wrote:

    This looks like a BIG if not HUGE story the media is not focusing on.

    Just search Google for...

    Russia (gas OR oil) Rubles

    Russia says European countries who are arming its enemy (Ukraine) must pay for Russian oil and gas in Rubles. Those countries are refusing to do so, citing "unfairness" and "breach of contract".

    I wonder how easy it is to turn off those pipes.




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  • From DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno@decadenc@21:1/5 to Commander Kinsey on Fri Apr 1 21:47:56 2022
    "Commander Kinsey" <CK1@nospam.com> wrote in
    news:op.1jwyvadsmvhs6z@ryzen.lan:

    On Thu, 31 Mar 2022 20:26:21 +0100, John Dope
    <always.look@message.header> wrote:

    Always Wrong, the foulmouthed troll who threatened
    to kill me for not supporting "freedom"...

    He uses Linux, don't expect any brains.


    You're an idiot, and that also includes any grasp of computer
    science.

    This is a Windows machine I post from, so you are a stupid analyst
    wannabe as well. It doesn't get any more stupid. Oh wait... there is
    the abject idiot you replied to.

    Just get out on the road and walk to Russia so you can live there,
    like you say you want.

    Get the fuck out of free nations. Fuck you and the whore you were
    shat out of.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno@decadenc@21:1/5 to Commander Kinsey on Fri Apr 1 21:50:25 2022
    "Commander Kinsey" <CK1@nospam.com> wrote in
    news:op.1jwy28ewmvhs6z@ryzen.lan:


    You say that like right wing is a bad thing. Left wing is
    control. Why do you want to be controlled?

    You are all idiots for using the monikers at all.
    Whether you believe it or not, you have been controlled, and it wasn't
    the left that did it. You are even more stupid than America's retarded
    Trump cult retardicans.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno@decadenc@21:1/5 to Commander Kinsey on Fri Apr 1 21:53:22 2022
    "Commander Kinsey" <CK1@nospam.com> wrote in
    news:op.1jw0mfwumvhs6z@ryzen.lan:

    What on earth makes you think right wing is wrong? Left wing
    steals your money for public services you'll probably never use.
    Forced charity, or theft.


    Tax revenues make the world go round. You thinking they "steal" your
    money is you being an absolute idiot.

    It does not matter what services get put in place, you stupid fuck.
    The one step at a time forward march into civility is the key, and you
    righyt wing total retards are broken with your lack of grasp of that
    simple fact.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Commander Kinsey@21:1/5 to DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno@decadenc on Fri Apr 1 22:54:24 2022
    On Fri, 01 Apr 2022 22:53:22 +0100, <DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno@decadence.org> wrote:

    "Commander Kinsey" <CK1@nospam.com> wrote in news:op.1jw0mfwumvhs6z@ryzen.lan:

    What on earth makes you think right wing is wrong? Left wing
    steals your money for public services you'll probably never use.
    Forced charity, or theft.

    Tax revenues make the world go round. You thinking they "steal" your
    money is you being an absolute idiot.

    It does not matter what services get put in place, you stupid fuck.
    The one step at a time forward march into civility is the key, and you
    righyt wing total retards are broken with your lack of grasp of that
    simple fact.

    They're paying for things I don't want them to pay for. You think that service is useful, then pay it, voluntarily. It's called charity.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Commander Kinsey@21:1/5 to DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno@decadenc on Fri Apr 1 22:53:39 2022
    On Fri, 01 Apr 2022 22:50:25 +0100, <DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno@decadence.org> wrote:

    "Commander Kinsey" <CK1@nospam.com> wrote in news:op.1jwy28ewmvhs6z@ryzen.lan:


    You say that like right wing is a bad thing. Left wing is
    control. Why do you want to be controlled?

    You are all idiots for using the monikers at all.
    Whether you believe it or not, you have been controlled, and it wasn't
    the left that did it. You are even more stupid than America's retarded
    Trump cult retardicans.

    Right wing is less control. Extreme right wing would be even better. Vote Libertarian.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno@decadenc@21:1/5 to Commander Kinsey on Fri Apr 1 22:22:20 2022
    "Commander Kinsey" <CK1@nospam.com> wrote in
    news:op.1jyu2toqmvhs6z@ryzen.lan:

    On Fri, 01 Apr 2022 22:47:56 +0100, <DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno@decadence.org> wrote:

    "Commander Kinsey" <CK1@nospam.com> wrote in
    news:op.1jwyvadsmvhs6z@ryzen.lan:

    On Thu, 31 Mar 2022 20:26:21 +0100, John Dope
    <always.look@message.header> wrote:

    Always Wrong, the foulmouthed troll who threatened
    to kill me for not supporting "freedom"...

    He uses Linux, don't expect any brains.


    You're an idiot, and that also includes any grasp of computer
    science.

    This is a Windows machine I post from, so you are a stupid
    analyst
    wannabe as well. It doesn't get any more stupid. Oh wait...
    there is the abject idiot you replied to.

    Just get out on the road and walk to Russia so you can live
    there,
    like you say you want.

    Get the fuck out of free nations. Fuck you and the whore you
    were
    shat out of.

    "DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno" - idiot.

    Yeah, and all you are the commander of is your anus. You're a
    piece of shit. They should put your whore mother in prison for
    failing to flush you the moment the severely ass fucked street slut
    shat you.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Commander Kinsey@21:1/5 to DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno@decadenc on Fri Apr 1 23:30:46 2022
    On Fri, 01 Apr 2022 23:22:20 +0100, <DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno@decadence.org> wrote:

    "Commander Kinsey" <CK1@nospam.com> wrote in news:op.1jyu2toqmvhs6z@ryzen.lan:

    On Fri, 01 Apr 2022 22:47:56 +0100,
    <DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno@decadence.org> wrote:

    "Commander Kinsey" <CK1@nospam.com> wrote in
    news:op.1jwyvadsmvhs6z@ryzen.lan:

    On Thu, 31 Mar 2022 20:26:21 +0100, John Dope
    <always.look@message.header> wrote:

    Always Wrong, the foulmouthed troll who threatened
    to kill me for not supporting "freedom"...

    He uses Linux, don't expect any brains.


    You're an idiot, and that also includes any grasp of computer
    science.

    This is a Windows machine I post from, so you are a stupid
    analyst
    wannabe as well. It doesn't get any more stupid. Oh wait...
    there is the abject idiot you replied to.

    Just get out on the road and walk to Russia so you can live
    there,
    like you say you want.

    Get the fuck out of free nations. Fuck you and the whore you
    were
    shat out of.

    "DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno" - idiot.

    Yeah, and all you are the commander of is your anus. You're a
    piece of shit. They should put your whore mother in prison for
    failing to flush you the moment the severely ass fucked street slut
    shat you.

    QED, your insults are terrible. Did you get those from insult generator?

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Commander Kinsey@21:1/5 to DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno@decadenc on Fri Apr 1 23:31:31 2022
    On Fri, 01 Apr 2022 23:24:33 +0100, <DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno@decadence.org> wrote:

    "Commander Kinsey" <CK1@nospam.com> wrote in news:op.1jyu3pfwmvhs6z@ryzen.lan:

    On Fri, 01 Apr 2022 22:50:25 +0100,
    <DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno@decadence.org> wrote:

    "Commander Kinsey" <CK1@nospam.com> wrote in
    news:op.1jwy28ewmvhs6z@ryzen.lan:


    You say that like right wing is a bad thing. Left wing is
    control. Why do you want to be controlled?

    You are all idiots for using the monikers at all.
    Whether you believe it or not, you have been controlled, and it
    wasn't the left that did it. You are even more stupid than
    America's retarded Trump cult retardicans.

    Right wing is less control. Extreme right wing would be even
    better. Vote Libertarian.

    You are dumber than dogshit, boy. Looks like you're a ryzen retard
    too. Maybe they should be told that one of their employees is abusing
    his connection.

    ROTFPMSL! You think I work for AMD? Oh dear....

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Commander Kinsey@21:1/5 to DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno@decadenc on Fri Apr 1 23:32:59 2022
    On Fri, 01 Apr 2022 23:27:07 +0100, <DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno@decadence.org> wrote:

    "Commander Kinsey" <CK1@nospam.com> wrote in news:op.1jyu4y0pmvhs6z@ryzen.lan:

    They're paying for things I don't want them to pay for.

    Good for you, fuckhead. It is not your decision.

    It's my money, so anyone using it without my permission is a thief.

    You think
    that service is useful,

    I think you could do the world a service if you jumped off of the
    roof of a tall building.

    Not at the taxpayer's expense.

    then pay it, voluntarily.

    You're an idiot. Any observer can see that fact.

    Did that point whoosh over your head? Let's try explaining it like you're five:

    If say the NHS was made a charity, how many would pay? If you're right and everyone wants the NHS, then everyone would pay. So why make it mandatory?

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno@decadenc@21:1/5 to Commander Kinsey on Fri Apr 1 22:27:07 2022
    "Commander Kinsey" <CK1@nospam.com> wrote in
    news:op.1jyu4y0pmvhs6z@ryzen.lan:

    They're paying for things I don't want them to pay for.

    Good for you, fuckhead. It is not your decision.

    You think
    that service is useful,

    I think you could do the world a service if you jumped off of the
    roof of a tall building.

    then pay it, voluntarily.

    You're an idiot. Any observer can see that fact.

    It's called
    charity.

    No. It's called your whore mother forgot to pull the flush handle.
    You stink, boy.







    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From StupidAs StupidGet@21:1/5 to DecadentLinux...@decadence.org on Fri Apr 1 15:37:44 2022
    On Friday, April 1, 2022 at 3:27:13 PM UTC-7, DecadentLinux...@decadence.org wrote:
    "Commander Kinsey" <C...@nospam.com> wrote in
    news:op.1jyu4...@ryzen.lan:
    They're paying for things I don't want them to pay for.
    Good for you, fuckhead. It is not your decision.
    You think
    that service is useful,
    I think you could do the world a service if you jumped off of the
    roof of a tall building.

    Even better if you jump with him.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From John Doe@21:1/5 to All on Fri Apr 1 22:46:43 2022
    It's a beautiful day in the neighborhood,
    a neighborly day in the beauty woods,
    would you be mine...

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno@decadenc@21:1/5 to Commander Kinsey on Fri Apr 1 22:24:33 2022
    "Commander Kinsey" <CK1@nospam.com> wrote in
    news:op.1jyu3pfwmvhs6z@ryzen.lan:

    On Fri, 01 Apr 2022 22:50:25 +0100, <DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno@decadence.org> wrote:

    "Commander Kinsey" <CK1@nospam.com> wrote in
    news:op.1jwy28ewmvhs6z@ryzen.lan:


    You say that like right wing is a bad thing. Left wing is
    control. Why do you want to be controlled?

    You are all idiots for using the monikers at all.
    Whether you believe it or not, you have been controlled, and it
    wasn't the left that did it. You are even more stupid than
    America's retarded Trump cult retardicans.

    Right wing is less control. Extreme right wing would be even
    better. Vote Libertarian.

    You are dumber than dogshit, boy. Looks like you're a ryzen retard
    too. Maybe they should be told that one of their employees is abusing
    his connection.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Commander Kinsey@21:1/5 to John Doe on Fri Apr 1 23:53:00 2022
    On Fri, 01 Apr 2022 23:46:43 +0100, John Doe <always.look@message.header> wrote:

    It's a beautiful day in the neighborhood,
    a neighborly day in the beauty woods,
    would you be mine...

    No, I live in a neighbourhood. Is it prettier without u in it?

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno@decadenc@21:1/5 to Commander Kinsey on Sat Apr 2 01:51:29 2022
    "Commander Kinsey" <CK1@nospam.com> wrote in
    news:op.1jyww9fcmvhs6z@ryzen.lan:

    It's my money, so anyone using it without my permission is a thief.

    Once you pay a tax, the money you paid is no longer yours, you
    ignorant fucking retarded piece of shit. If the world you grew up and
    entered the work force in has a tax system, that's the way it is, bub.
    Fuck you and your retarded desires. You PAY or you do not get to play.
    It is that simple. And NO, you do not get to piss and moan over what
    it gets spent on. It ain't yours any more. Maybe one day you will get
    that concept. Not likely though as I feel that you are on your way out
    and will have that rough, chest gripping cardiac arrest soon. I sure
    hope so, you sully the human gene pool and you muck up this group as
    well. CCAD, jackass Kinsey.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Commander Kinsey@21:1/5 to DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno@decadenc on Sat Apr 2 03:10:20 2022
    On Sat, 02 Apr 2022 02:45:57 +0100, <DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno@decadence.org> wrote:

    "Commander Kinsey" <CK1@nospam.com> wrote in news:op.1jywtkznmvhs6z@ryzen.lan:

    On Fri, 01 Apr 2022 23:22:20 +0100,
    <DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno@decadence.org> wrote:

    "Commander Kinsey" <CK1@nospam.com> wrote in
    news:op.1jyu2toqmvhs6z@ryzen.lan:

    On Fri, 01 Apr 2022 22:47:56 +0100,
    <DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno@decadence.org> wrote:

    "Commander Kinsey" <CK1@nospam.com> wrote in
    news:op.1jwyvadsmvhs6z@ryzen.lan:

    On Thu, 31 Mar 2022 20:26:21 +0100, John Dope
    <always.look@message.header> wrote:

    Always Wrong, the foulmouthed troll who threatened
    to kill me for not supporting "freedom"...

    He uses Linux, don't expect any brains.


    You're an idiot, and that also includes any grasp of computer
    science.

    This is a Windows machine I post from, so you are a stupid
    analyst
    wannabe as well. It doesn't get any more stupid. Oh wait...
    there is the abject idiot you replied to.

    Just get out on the road and walk to Russia so you can live
    there,
    like you say you want.

    Get the fuck out of free nations. Fuck you and the whore you
    were
    shat out of.

    "DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno" - idiot.

    Yeah, and all you are the commander of is your anus. You're a
    piece of shit. They should put your whore mother in prison for
    failing to flush you the moment the severely ass fucked street
    slut shat you.

    QED, your insults are terrible. Did you get those from insult
    generator?


    QED, dumbfuck. YOU are terrible. A real piece of shit. The insult
    is 100% original, you pathetic worm. And you know it.

    Command that fact, putz!

    Don't believe you.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno@decadenc@21:1/5 to Commander Kinsey on Sat Apr 2 01:47:41 2022
    "Commander Kinsey" <CK1@nospam.com> wrote in
    news:op.1jywutvdmvhs6z@ryzen.lan:

    ROTFPMSL!

    You have a problem with made up, totally retarded acronyms.
    You could be a bit more stupid, jackass, just not in this life.
    Maybe God will let you come back as a slug. For you that would be a
    100 fold upgrade.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno@decadenc@21:1/5 to Commander Kinsey on Sat Apr 2 01:45:57 2022
    "Commander Kinsey" <CK1@nospam.com> wrote in
    news:op.1jywtkznmvhs6z@ryzen.lan:

    On Fri, 01 Apr 2022 23:22:20 +0100, <DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno@decadence.org> wrote:

    "Commander Kinsey" <CK1@nospam.com> wrote in
    news:op.1jyu2toqmvhs6z@ryzen.lan:

    On Fri, 01 Apr 2022 22:47:56 +0100,
    <DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno@decadence.org> wrote:

    "Commander Kinsey" <CK1@nospam.com> wrote in
    news:op.1jwyvadsmvhs6z@ryzen.lan:

    On Thu, 31 Mar 2022 20:26:21 +0100, John Dope
    <always.look@message.header> wrote:

    Always Wrong, the foulmouthed troll who threatened
    to kill me for not supporting "freedom"...

    He uses Linux, don't expect any brains.


    You're an idiot, and that also includes any grasp of computer
    science.

    This is a Windows machine I post from, so you are a stupid
    analyst
    wannabe as well. It doesn't get any more stupid. Oh wait...
    there is the abject idiot you replied to.

    Just get out on the road and walk to Russia so you can live
    there,
    like you say you want.

    Get the fuck out of free nations. Fuck you and the whore you
    were
    shat out of.

    "DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno" - idiot.

    Yeah, and all you are the commander of is your anus. You're a
    piece of shit. They should put your whore mother in prison for
    failing to flush you the moment the severely ass fucked street
    slut shat you.

    QED, your insults are terrible. Did you get those from insult
    generator?


    QED, dumbfuck. YOU are terrible. A real piece of shit. The insult
    is 100% original, you pathetic worm. And you know it.

    Command that fact, putz!

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Commander Kinsey@21:1/5 to DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno@decadenc on Sat Apr 2 03:14:14 2022
    On Sat, 02 Apr 2022 02:47:41 +0100, <DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno@decadence.org> wrote:

    "Commander Kinsey" <CK1@nospam.com> wrote in news:op.1jywutvdmvhs6z@ryzen.lan:

    ROTFPMSL!

    You have a problem with made up, totally retarded acronyms.
    You could be a bit more stupid, jackass, just not in this life.
    Maybe God will let you come back as a slug. For you that would be a
    100 fold upgrade.

    ROTFPMSL is used everyday on the internet, use a search engine.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Anthony William Sloman@21:1/5 to Commander Kinsey on Fri Apr 1 19:32:48 2022
    On Saturday, April 2, 2022 at 1:15:51 PM UTC+11, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Sat, 02 Apr 2022 02:51:29 +0100, <DecadentLinux...@decadence.org> wrote:

    "Commander Kinsey" <C...@nospam.com> wrote in
    news:op.1jyww...@ryzen.lan:

    It's my money, so anyone using it without my permission is a thief.

    Once you pay a tax, the money you paid is no longer yours, you
    ignorant fucking retarded piece of shit.
    Governments must love gullible people like you. I pay money for a gardener to do my garden, I pay money to fill my car with petrol. I do not want to pay money for someone else's kid to get educated.

    Of course, if you want to hire somebody to look after your garden, you'd want a trained gardener. Somebody has to pay to cover the cost of getting them trained.
    Universal education trains up everybody to good at the sort of tasks for which they have a talent. It happens to be more sensible to use your money to educate everybody, rather than wait for you to decide what service you need to buy and train somebody
    to do that job.

    That's my money paying for someone else, and is clearly theft for anyone with half a brain, now fuck off back to kindergarten.

    Commander Kinsey does seem to have less than half the brain he needs, so he doesn't see the point of universal education. It would have been wasted on him but the education system does serve a function in labeling twits like him as ineducatable idiots,
    which he will have resented.

    A commander is somebody who leads cannon-fodder, which is to say one more expendable idiot.

    --
    Bill Sloman, Sydney

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Commander Kinsey@21:1/5 to DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno@decadenc on Sat Apr 2 03:15:43 2022
    On Sat, 02 Apr 2022 02:51:29 +0100, <DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno@decadence.org> wrote:

    "Commander Kinsey" <CK1@nospam.com> wrote in news:op.1jyww9fcmvhs6z@ryzen.lan:

    It's my money, so anyone using it without my permission is a thief.

    Once you pay a tax, the money you paid is no longer yours, you
    ignorant fucking retarded piece of shit.

    Governments must love gullible people like you. I pay money for a gardener to do my garden, I pay money to fill my car with petrol. I do not want to pay money for someone else's kid to get educated. That's my money paying for someone else, and is
    clearly theft for anyone with half a brain, now fuck off back to kindergarten.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Anthony William Sloman@21:1/5 to Commander Kinsey on Fri Apr 1 19:22:44 2022
    On Saturday, April 2, 2022 at 9:33:07 AM UTC+11, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Fri, 01 Apr 2022 23:27:07 +0100, <DecadentLinux...@decadence.org> wrote:
    "Commander Kinsey" <C...@nospam.com> wrote in news:op.1jyu4...@ryzen.lan:

    They're paying for things I don't want them to pay for.

    Good for you, fuckhead. It is not your decision.

    It's my money, so anyone using it without my permission is a thief.

    Not if they are the government. The government can afford to hire experts who have better grasp of reality than specific individual taxpayers. They wouldn't have to pay much to get somebody better than you.

    You think that service is useful,

    I think you could do the world a service if you jumped off of the roof of a tall building.

    Not at the taxpayer's expense.

    That's your conclusion, based on your clearly defective expertise.

    then pay it, voluntarily.

    You're an idiot. Any observer can see that fact.

    Did that point whoosh over your head? Let's try explaining it like you're five:

    If say the NHS was made a charity, how many would pay? If you're right and everyone wants the NHS, then everyone would pay. So why make it mandatory?

    Everybody wants the NHS during the last eighteen months of their lives, which is when most people make heavy demands on it. Irresponsible idiots imagine that they are going to live forever, and resent paying for a service that isn't doing anything for
    them right now.

    The situation is further complicated by the fact that the main job of any public health service is actually monitoring for epidemics - like the Covid-19 pandemic which has been raging for the past two years, which was the first of it's kind since the
    Spanish flu which happened about a hundred years earlier. Anticipating unpredictable disasters does require the kind of expertise that most taxpayers lack.

    The UK NHS did a rotten job during the Covid19 pandemic, in part because a recent conservative government had dismantled it's contact tracing service to save money.

    --
    Bill Sloman, Sydney

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Commander Kinsey@21:1/5 to Anthony William Sloman on Sat Apr 2 03:38:32 2022
    On Sat, 02 Apr 2022 03:32:48 +0100, Anthony William Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> wrote:

    On Saturday, April 2, 2022 at 1:15:51 PM UTC+11, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Sat, 02 Apr 2022 02:51:29 +0100, <DecadentLinux...@decadence.org> wrote: >>
    "Commander Kinsey" <C...@nospam.com> wrote in
    news:op.1jyww...@ryzen.lan:

    It's my money, so anyone using it without my permission is a thief.

    Once you pay a tax, the money you paid is no longer yours, you
    ignorant fucking retarded piece of shit.
    Governments must love gullible people like you. I pay money for a gardener to do my garden, I pay money to fill my car with petrol. I do not want to pay money for someone else's kid to get educated.

    Of course, if you want to hire somebody to look after your garden, you'd want a trained gardener. Somebody has to pay to cover the cost of getting them trained.
    Universal education trains up everybody to good at the sort of tasks for which they have a talent. It happens to be more sensible to use your money to educate everybody, rather than wait for you to decide what service you need to buy and train somebody
    to do that job.

    The gardener (or his parents) should pay to get trained, because it's an investment for him. Not that a gardener needs training, I was doing that as a teenager.

    That's my money paying for someone else, and is clearly theft for anyone with half a brain, now fuck off back to kindergarten.

    Commander Kinsey does seem to have less than half the brain he needs, so he doesn't see the point of universal education. It would have been wasted on him but the education system does serve a function in labeling twits like him as ineducatable idiots,
    which he will have resented.

    A commander is somebody who leads cannon-fodder, which is to say one more expendable idiot.

    Talking to someone in the third person shows you're fucking drunk and have lost the plot.

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  • From Commander Kinsey@21:1/5 to Anthony William Sloman on Sat Apr 2 03:36:37 2022
    On Sat, 02 Apr 2022 03:22:44 +0100, Anthony William Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> wrote:

    On Saturday, April 2, 2022 at 9:33:07 AM UTC+11, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Fri, 01 Apr 2022 23:27:07 +0100, <DecadentLinux...@decadence.org> wrote: >> > "Commander Kinsey" <C...@nospam.com> wrote in news:op.1jyu4...@ryzen.lan: >> >
    They're paying for things I don't want them to pay for.

    Good for you, fuckhead. It is not your decision.

    It's my money, so anyone using it without my permission is a thief.

    Not if they are the government. The government can afford to hire experts who have better grasp of reality than specific individual taxpayers. They wouldn't have to pay much to get somebody better than you.

    The government operates above the law. Lets say you're a tradesman, and I pay you money to build an extension to my house, but you use half that money to buy materials for someone else's house extension, that's theft. That's what the government are
    doing. If you have no kids, you should not pay for other kids to be educated. If you never go to hospital, you shouldn't pay money to the NHS.

    You think that service is useful,

    I think you could do the world a service if you jumped off of the roof of a tall building.

    Not at the taxpayer's expense.

    That's your conclusion, based on your clearly defective expertise.

    It's based on common sense, which unfortunately is no longer common, and you've lost it in its entirety.

    then pay it, voluntarily.

    You're an idiot. Any observer can see that fact.

    Did that point whoosh over your head? Let's try explaining it like you're five:

    If say the NHS was made a charity, how many would pay? If you're right and everyone wants the NHS, then everyone would pay. So why make it mandatory?

    Everybody wants the NHS during the last eighteen months of their lives,

    Then they should take out health insurance. But that should never be obligatory, you might want to risk it that you'll never get ill. You might think you'll have plenty money by then. You might just want to die off anyway instead of have your life
    extended in a miserable way with no legal way to die. And since the NHS hardly ever actually fixes people, there's no point anyway. If you want a job doing properly, you have to go private.

    which is when most people make heavy demands on it. Irresponsible idiots imagine that they are going to live forever, and resent paying for a service that isn't doing anything for them right now.

    It's not irresponsible to want to use your money to live a fun life now instead of extend it when you're old and decrepit. It's a choice.

    The situation is further complicated by the fact that the main job of any public health service is actually monitoring for epidemics - like the Covid-19 pandemic which has been raging for the past two years, which was the first of it's kind since the
    Spanish flu which happened about a hundred years earlier. Anticipating unpredictable disasters does require the kind of expertise that most taxpayers lack.

    The UK NHS did a rotten job during the Covid19 pandemic,

    The NHS never does a decent job, get rid of it entirely.

    in part because a recent conservative government had dismantled it's contact tracing service to save money.

    The Tory government went all left wing and put more money into the NHS during Covid. We shouldn't have put any in at all. Let Covid kill off the weak and useless. I've had no vaccinations and never wear a mask and have been in close contact with many
    people. I'm still here.

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  • From Anthony William Sloman@21:1/5 to Commander Kinsey on Fri Apr 1 22:50:55 2022
    On Saturday, April 2, 2022 at 1:38:40 PM UTC+11, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Sat, 02 Apr 2022 03:32:48 +0100, Anthony William Sloman <bill....@ieee.org> wrote:

    On Saturday, April 2, 2022 at 1:15:51 PM UTC+11, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Sat, 02 Apr 2022 02:51:29 +0100, <DecadentLinux...@decadence.org> wrote:

    "Commander Kinsey" <C...@nospam.com> wrote in
    news:op.1jyww...@ryzen.lan:

    It's my money, so anyone using it without my permission is a thief.

    Once you pay a tax, the money you paid is no longer yours, you ignorant fucking retarded piece of shit.

    Governments must love gullible people like you. I pay money for a gardener to do my garden, I pay money to fill my car with petrol. I do not want to pay money for someone else's kid to get educated.

    Of course, if you want to hire somebody to look after your garden, you'd want a trained gardener. Somebody has to pay to cover the cost of getting them trained.
    Universal education trains up everybody to good at the sort of tasks for which they have a talent. It happens to be more sensible to use your money to educate everybody, rather than wait for you to decide what service you need to buy and train
    somebody to do that job.

    The gardener (or his parents) should pay to get trained, because it's an investment for him.

    Every kind of education is an investment. We don't kill off the useless dregs, so it makes sense to give them some kind of education to find out of they have a talent for anything, and take advantage of any talent they might have. You should be grateful.

    Not that a gardener needs training, I was doing that as a teenager.

    Badly, and under supervision. You seem to be dumb enough not to realise quite how badly.

    That's my money paying for someone else, and is clearly theft for anyone with half a brain, now fuck off back to kindergarten.

    Commander Kinsey does seem to have less than half the brain he needs, so he doesn't see the point of universal education. It would have been wasted on him but the education system does serve a function in labeling twits like him as ineducatable
    idiots, which he will have resented.

    A commander is somebody who leads cannon-fodder, which is to say one more expendable idiot.

    Talking to someone in the third person shows you're fucking drunk and have lost the plot.

    I'm not talking to you. You clearly haven't got the wit to follow what's being said.

    --
    Bill Sloman, Sydney

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  • From Anthony William Sloman@21:1/5 to Commander Kinsey on Fri Apr 1 22:42:02 2022
    On Saturday, April 2, 2022 at 1:36:45 PM UTC+11, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Sat, 02 Apr 2022 03:22:44 +0100, Anthony William Sloman <bill....@ieee.org> wrote:

    On Saturday, April 2, 2022 at 9:33:07 AM UTC+11, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Fri, 01 Apr 2022 23:27:07 +0100, <DecadentLinux...@decadence.org> wrote:
    "Commander Kinsey" <C...@nospam.com> wrote in news:op.1jyu4...@ryzen.lan:

    They're paying for things I don't want them to pay for.

    Good for you, fuckhead. It is not your decision.

    It's my money, so anyone using it without my permission is a thief.

    Not if they are the government. The government can afford to hire experts who have better grasp of reality than specific individual taxpayers. They wouldn't have to pay much to get somebody better than you.
    The government operates above the law. Lets say you're a tradesman, and I pay you money to build an extension to my house, but you use half that money to buy materials for someone else's house extension, that's theft. That's what the government are
    doing. If you have no kids, you should not pay for other kids to be educated. If you never go to hospital, you shouldn't pay money to the NHS.
    You think that service is useful,

    I think you could do the world a service if you jumped off of the roof of a tall building.

    Not at the taxpayer's expense.

    That's your conclusion, based on your clearly defective expertise.
    It's based on common sense, which unfortunately is no longer common, and you've lost it in its entirety.
    then pay it, voluntarily.

    You're an idiot. Any observer can see that fact.

    Did that point whoosh over your head? Let's try explaining it like you're five:

    If say the NHS was made a charity, how many would pay? If you're right and everyone wants the NHS, then everyone would pay. So why make it mandatory?

    Everybody wants the NHS during the last eighteen months of their lives,

    Then they should take out health insurance.

    And the US shows how well that works.

    But that should never be obligatory, you might want to risk it that you'll never get ill.

    Only if you are an idiot. And the problem comes with infectious disease. You don't want your stupid neighbour wandering around giving everybody else the infectious disease he is too stupid to notice that he has and too cheapskate to get treated.

    You might think you'll have plenty money by then. You might just want to die off anyway instead of have your life extended in a miserable way with no legal way to die. And since the NHS hardly ever actually fixes people, there's no point anyway. If you
    want a job doing properly, you have to go private.

    Actually, in the UK, the private doctors will tell you go to the NHS if you have something difficult to treat. Doctors who treat a lot of cases of a particular disease do it lot more expertly than those who only run into it occasionally.

    which is when most people make heavy demands on it. Irresponsible idiots imagine that they are going to live forever, and resent paying for a service that isn't doing anything for them right now.

    It's not irresponsible to want to use your money to live a fun life now instead of extend it when you're old and decrepit. It's a choice.

    Until it comes to catching something infectious. And you probably won't know that what you've got is infectious.

    The situation is further complicated by the fact that the main job of any public health service is actually monitoring for epidemics - like the Covid-19 pandemic which has been raging for the past two years, which was the first of it's kind since the
    Spanish flu which happened about a hundred years earlier. Anticipating unpredictable disasters does require the kind of expertise that most taxpayers lack.

    The UK NHS did a rotten job during the Covid19 pandemic, in part because a recent conservative government had dismantled it's contact tracing service to save money.

    The NHS never does a decent job, get rid of it entirely.

    That why the UK life expectancies are 81.4 years on average, 79.8 years for males and 83.0 years for females, while the corresponding US number are lower 78.5 year on average, 76.3 years for males and 80.7 years for females. The UK NHS is Spartan,
    but it is universal.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_life_expectancy

    The UK is 25th in the international ranking, and the US is 40th.

    The Tory government went all left wing and put more money into the NHS during Covid.

    Better late than never. It makes lot more sense to set up a certain amount of excess capacity before you need it. Starting up something from scratch takes quite a bit longer than fleshing out an existing structure. As in the UK contact tracing debacle.

    We shouldn't have put any in at all.

    Your lack of expertise is showing.

    Let Covid kill off the weak and useless. I've had no vaccinations and never wear a mask and have been in close contact with many people. I'm still here.

    What a pity. You don't deserve to be, and if you had caught the infection,, not noticed, toughed it out, and infected a whole lot of other people (killing some of them) you would still be posting the same dangerous nonsense.

    --
    Bill Sloman, Sydney

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  • From Anthony William Sloman@21:1/5 to John Doe on Fri Apr 1 23:47:19 2022
    On Saturday, April 2, 2022 at 5:19:22 PM UTC+11, John Doe wrote:
    Sick 'em

    He probably meant "sic 'em".

    https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/sic

    John Doe is an idiot troll, so it probably isn't a typo.

    --
    Bill Sloman, Sydney

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  • From John Doe@21:1/5 to All on Sat Apr 2 06:19:16 2022
    Sick 'em Bozo.


    Bozo Bill Sloman, the most frequent troll in this group, is an attention-craving chronic liar who cannot be reasoned with...

    "the Mueller investigation was about Trump only because Trump made it so"
    (Bozo paraphrased)

    "the concepts "male" and "female" are essentially social constructions"
    (Bill Sloman)

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  • From John Doe@21:1/5 to Commander Kinsey on Sat Apr 2 06:17:16 2022
    "Commander Kinsey" wrote:

    John Doe wrote:

    It's a beautiful day in the neighborhood,
    a neighborly day in the beauty woods,
    would you be mine...

    No, I live in a neighbourhood. Is it prettier without u in it?

    -3

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  • From DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno@decadenc@21:1/5 to Commander Kinsey on Sat Apr 2 16:10:23 2022
    "Commander Kinsey" <CK1@nospam.com> wrote in
    news:op.1jy650mqmvhs6z@ryzen.lan:

    On Sat, 02 Apr 2022 02:47:41 +0100, <DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno@decadence.org> wrote:

    "Commander Kinsey" <CK1@nospam.com> wrote in
    news:op.1jywutvdmvhs6z@ryzen.lan:

    ROTFPMSL!

    You have a problem with made up, totally retarded acronyms.
    You could be a bit more stupid, jackass, just not in this life.
    Maybe God will let you come back as a slug. For you that would
    be a 100 fold upgrade.

    ROTFPMSL is used everyday on the internet, use a search engine.


    Nope. ROFL was the original and is the only valid one. All the rest
    are made up baby bullshit by bullshit retards like you.

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  • From DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno@decadenc@21:1/5 to Commander Kinsey on Sat Apr 2 16:14:47 2022
    "Commander Kinsey" <CK1@nospam.com> wrote in
    news:op.1jy68hlfmvhs6z@ryzen.lan:

    . I do not want to pay money for someone else's kid to get
    educated.

    Did you go to a public shool, child? Or are you a privileged
    little punk fuck with no grasp on the reality of life for the masses
    in a free society?

    That's my money paying for someone else,

    Nope. Your tax dollars are not yours to decide what it gets spent
    on. Any person above a 3rd grade level education knows that.

    and is clearly
    theft for anyone with half a brain,

    The oxygen you breathe is clearly theft, and you don't even have
    half a brain.

    now fuck off back to
    kindergarten.

    You are a piece of shit. Nothing more. My fingernail clippings
    have more on the ball than a stupid punk fuck like you who thinks he
    is a commander.

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  • From Commander Kinsey@21:1/5 to Anthony William Sloman on Sat Apr 2 21:53:45 2022
    On Sat, 02 Apr 2022 06:50:55 +0100, Anthony William Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> wrote:

    On Saturday, April 2, 2022 at 1:38:40 PM UTC+11, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Sat, 02 Apr 2022 03:32:48 +0100, Anthony William Sloman <bill....@ieee.org> wrote:

    On Saturday, April 2, 2022 at 1:15:51 PM UTC+11, Commander Kinsey wrote: >> >> On Sat, 02 Apr 2022 02:51:29 +0100, <DecadentLinux...@decadence.org> wrote:

    "Commander Kinsey" <C...@nospam.com> wrote in
    news:op.1jyww...@ryzen.lan:

    It's my money, so anyone using it without my permission is a thief.

    Once you pay a tax, the money you paid is no longer yours, you ignorant fucking retarded piece of shit.

    Governments must love gullible people like you. I pay money for a gardener to do my garden, I pay money to fill my car with petrol. I do not want to pay money for someone else's kid to get educated.

    Of course, if you want to hire somebody to look after your garden, you'd want a trained gardener. Somebody has to pay to cover the cost of getting them trained.
    Universal education trains up everybody to good at the sort of tasks for which they have a talent. It happens to be more sensible to use your money to educate everybody, rather than wait for you to decide what service you need to buy and train
    somebody to do that job.

    The gardener (or his parents) should pay to get trained, because it's an investment for him.

    Every kind of education is an investment. We don't kill off the useless dregs, so it makes sense to give them some kind of education to find out of they have a talent for anything, and take advantage of any talent they might have. You should be
    grateful.

    No, they should pay to get that talent. Instead we try to educate the uneducatable and throw money down the drain. Those destined to work in McDonalds don't need school.

    Not that a gardener needs training, I was doing that as a teenager.

    Badly, and under supervision. You seem to be dumb enough not to realise quite how badly.

    The guy I gardened for was very OCD and would not have accepted badly. It's not rocket science to dig.

    That's my money paying for someone else, and is clearly theft for anyone with half a brain, now fuck off back to kindergarten.

    Commander Kinsey does seem to have less than half the brain he needs, so he doesn't see the point of universal education. It would have been wasted on him but the education system does serve a function in labeling twits like him as ineducatable
    idiots, which he will have resented.

    A commander is somebody who leads cannon-fodder, which is to say one more expendable idiot.

    Talking to someone in the third person shows you're fucking drunk and have lost the plot.

    I'm not talking to you. You clearly haven't got the wit to follow what's being said.

    You replied to my sentence "That's my money paying for someone else, and is clearly theft for anyone with half a brain, now fuck off back to kindergarten."

    Please read the manual for your newsreader Mr Slow.

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  • From Commander Kinsey@21:1/5 to John Doe on Sat Apr 2 21:54:29 2022
    On Sat, 02 Apr 2022 07:17:16 +0100, John Doe <always.look@message.header> wrote:

    "Commander Kinsey" wrote:

    John Doe wrote:

    It's a beautiful day in the neighborhood,
    a neighborly day in the beauty woods,
    would you be mine...

    No, I live in a neighbourhood. Is it prettier without u in it?

    -3

    That's a very small penis.

    Try Ɑ͞ ̶͞ ̶͞ ﻝﮞ

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  • From Commander Kinsey@21:1/5 to Anthony William Sloman on Sat Apr 2 23:10:12 2022
    On Sat, 02 Apr 2022 06:42:02 +0100, Anthony William Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> wrote:

    On Saturday, April 2, 2022 at 1:36:45 PM UTC+11, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Sat, 02 Apr 2022 03:22:44 +0100, Anthony William Sloman <bill....@ieee.org> wrote:

    On Saturday, April 2, 2022 at 9:33:07 AM UTC+11, Commander Kinsey wrote: >> >> On Fri, 01 Apr 2022 23:27:07 +0100, <DecadentLinux...@decadence.org> wrote:
    "Commander Kinsey" <C...@nospam.com> wrote in news:op.1jyu4...@ryzen.lan:

    They're paying for things I don't want them to pay for.

    Good for you, fuckhead. It is not your decision.

    It's my money, so anyone using it without my permission is a thief.

    Not if they are the government. The government can afford to hire experts who have better grasp of reality than specific individual taxpayers. They wouldn't have to pay much to get somebody better than you.
    The government operates above the law. Lets say you're a tradesman, and I pay you money to build an extension to my house, but you use half that money to buy materials for someone else's house extension, that's theft. That's what the government are
    doing. If you have no kids, you should not pay for other kids to be educated. If you never go to hospital, you shouldn't pay money to the NHS.
    You think that service is useful,

    I think you could do the world a service if you jumped off of the roof of a tall building.

    Not at the taxpayer's expense.

    That's your conclusion, based on your clearly defective expertise.
    It's based on common sense, which unfortunately is no longer common, and you've lost it in its entirety.
    then pay it, voluntarily.

    You're an idiot. Any observer can see that fact.

    Did that point whoosh over your head? Let's try explaining it like you're five:

    If say the NHS was made a charity, how many would pay? If you're right and everyone wants the NHS, then everyone would pay. So why make it mandatory?

    Everybody wants the NHS during the last eighteen months of their lives,

    Then they should take out health insurance.

    And the US shows how well that works.

    It works fine. Why should you pay for poorer people to get fixed? You can always donate to a charity if you want to.

    But that should never be obligatory, you might want to risk it that you'll never get ill.

    Only if you are an idiot.

    They are choices, no one is more sensible than another. If you're short of money, you pick and choose things. The car or your health.

    And the problem comes with infectious disease. You don't want your stupid neighbour wandering around giving everybody else the infectious disease he is too stupid to notice that he has and too cheapskate to get treated.

    Unlikely.

    You might think you'll have plenty money by then. You might just want to die off anyway instead of have your life extended in a miserable way with no legal way to die. And since the NHS hardly ever actually fixes people, there's no point anyway. If
    you want a job doing properly, you have to go private.

    Actually, in the UK, the private doctors will tell you go to the NHS if you have something difficult to treat. Doctors who treat a lot of cases of a particular disease do it lot more expertly than those who only run into it occasionally.

    All that means is most doctors are in the NHS. Actually a cardiologist I saw privately was an NHS doctor, but he did private work to get more money. A year to wait to see him in the NHS, a week privately. See, the NHS is shit.

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  • From whit3rd@21:1/5 to Commander Kinsey on Sat Apr 2 16:49:21 2022
    On Saturday, April 2, 2022 at 1:53:53 PM UTC-7, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Sat, 02 Apr 2022 06:50:55 +0100, Anthony William Sloman <bill....@ieee.org> wrote:

    Every kind of education is an investment. We don't kill off the useless dregs, so it makes sense to give them some kind of education to find out of they have a talent for anything, and take advantage of any talent they might have. You should be
    grateful.
    No, they should pay to get that talent. Instead we try to educate the uneducatable and throw money down the drain. Those destined to work in McDonalds don't need school.

    The 'they should pay' means parents' wealth determines education. That's bad policy.
    The 'uneducatable' label is an arrogant dismissal of human beings, but lacks content otherwise.
    Destiny was an idea that went away millennia ago, and doesn't deserve a return engagement.

    As for need, the need is for a modern society to have well-educated populace. Who will be
    the movers/shapers/voters of tomorrow, if not those children? They are ALL lords and ladies
    in training.

    Perhaps the fates (Atropos, Clotho, and Lachesis) ruled Kinsey's life, but that oughtn't
    stunt the development of anyone else.

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  • From Anthony William Sloman@21:1/5 to Commander Kinsey on Sat Apr 2 17:25:44 2022
    On Sunday, April 3, 2022 at 6:53:53 AM UTC+10, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Sat, 02 Apr 2022 06:50:55 +0100, Anthony William Sloman <bill....@ieee.org> wrote:
    On Saturday, April 2, 2022 at 1:38:40 PM UTC+11, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Sat, 02 Apr 2022 03:32:48 +0100, Anthony William Sloman <bill....@ieee.org> wrote:
    On Saturday, April 2, 2022 at 1:15:51 PM UTC+11, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Sat, 02 Apr 2022 02:51:29 +0100, <DecadentLinux...@decadence.org> wrote:
    "Commander Kinsey" <C...@nospam.com> wrote in news:op.1jyww...@ryzen.lan:

    It's my money, so anyone using it without my permission is a thief. >> >> >
    Once you pay a tax, the money you paid is no longer yours, you ignorant fucking retarded piece of shit.

    Governments must love gullible people like you. I pay money for a gardener to do my garden, I pay money to fill my car with petrol. I do not want to pay money for someone else's kid to get educated.

    Of course, if you want to hire somebody to look after your garden, you'd want a trained gardener. Somebody has to pay to cover the cost of getting them trained.

    Universal education trains up everybody to good at the sort of tasks for which they have a talent. It happens to be more sensible to use your money to educate everybody, rather than wait for you to decide what service you need to buy and train
    somebody to do that job.

    The gardener (or his parents) should pay to get trained, because it's an investment for him.

    Every kind of education is an investment. We don't kill off the useless dregs, so it makes sense to give them some kind of education to find out of they have a talent for anything, and take advantage of any talent they might have. You should be
    grateful.

    No, they should pay to get that talent. Instead we try to educate the uneducatable and throw money down the drain. Those destined to work in McDonalds don't need school.
    Not that a gardener needs training, I was doing that as a teenager.

    Badly, and under supervision. You seem to be dumb enough not to realise quite how badly.

    The guy I gardened for was very OCD and would not have accepted badly. It's not rocket science to dig.

    There's more to gardening than digging, though you probably aren't aware of the higher level stuff.

    That's my money paying for someone else, and is clearly theft for anyone with half a brain, now fuck off back to kindergarten.

    Commander Kinsey does seem to have less than half the brain he needs, so he doesn't see the point of universal education. It would have been wasted on him but the education system does serve a function in labeling twits like him as ineducatable
    idiots, which he will have resented.

    A commander is somebody who leads cannon-fodder, which is to say one more expendable idiot.

    Talking to someone in the third person shows you're fucking drunk and have lost the plot.

    I'm not talking to you. You clearly haven't got the wit to follow what's being said.

    You replied to my sentence "That's my money paying for someone else, and is clearly theft for anyone with half a brain, now fuck off back to kindergarten."

    I produced a response to your sentence. Anybody silly enough to produce a sentence like that isn't going to get a reply, but rather a response which points out how silly it is.

    Please read the manual for your newsreader Dr. Sloman.

    There isn't any manual that I'm aware of. I have been posting here for more than twenty years now, and I do know what's expected which does include dumping on halfwits like you.

    --
    Bill Sloman, Sydney

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  • From John Doe@21:1/5 to Commander Kinsey on Sun Apr 3 02:10:08 2022
    His first gangbang...


    "Commander Kinsey" <CK1@nospam.com> wrote:

    On Sat, 02 Apr 2022 06:50:55 +0100, Anthony William Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> wrote:

    On Saturday, April 2, 2022 at 1:38:40 PM UTC+11, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Sat, 02 Apr 2022 03:32:48 +0100, Anthony William Sloman <bill....@ieee.org> wrote:

    On Saturday, April 2, 2022 at 1:15:51 PM UTC+11, Commander Kinsey wrote: >>> >> On Sat, 02 Apr 2022 02:51:29 +0100, <DecadentLinux...@decadence.org> wrote:

    "Commander Kinsey" <C...@nospam.com> wrote in
    news:op.1jyww...@ryzen.lan:

    It's my money, so anyone using it without my permission is a thief. >>> >> >
    Once you pay a tax, the money you paid is no longer yours, you ignorant fucking retarded piece of shit.

    Governments must love gullible people like you. I pay money for a gardener to do my garden, I pay money to fill my car with petrol. I do not want to pay money for someone else's kid to get educated.

    Of course, if you want to hire somebody to look after your garden, you'd want a trained gardener. Somebody has to pay to cover the cost of getting them trained.
    Universal education trains up everybody to good at the sort of tasks for which they have a talent. It happens to be more sensible to use your money to educate everybody, rather than wait for you to decide what service you need to buy and train
    somebody to do that job.

    The gardener (or his parents) should pay to get trained, because it's an investment for him.

    Every kind of education is an investment. We don't kill off the useless dregs, so it makes sense to give them some kind of education to find out of they have a talent for anything, and take advantage of any talent they might have. You should be
    grateful.

    No, they should pay to get that talent. Instead we try to educate the uneducatable and throw money down the drain. Those destined to work in McDonalds don't need school.

    Not that a gardener needs training, I was doing that as a teenager.

    Badly, and under supervision. You seem to be dumb enough not to realise quite how badly.

    The guy I gardened for was very OCD and would not have accepted badly. It's not rocket science to dig.

    That's my money paying for someone else, and is clearly theft for anyone with half a brain, now fuck off back to kindergarten.

    Commander Kinsey does seem to have less than half the brain he needs, so he doesn't see the point of universal education. It would have been wasted on him but the education system does serve a function in labeling twits like him as ineducatable
    idiots, which he will have resented.

    A commander is somebody who leads cannon-fodder, which is to say one more expendable idiot.

    Talking to someone in the third person shows you're fucking drunk and have lost the plot.

    I'm not talking to you. You clearly haven't got the wit to follow what's being said.

    You replied to my sentence "That's my money paying for someone else, and is clearly theft for anyone with half a brain, now fuck off back to kindergarten."

    Please read the manual for your newsreader Mr Slow.

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  • From Anthony William Sloman@21:1/5 to John Doe on Sat Apr 2 19:35:21 2022
    On Sunday, April 3, 2022 at 12:10:18 PM UTC+10, John Doe wrote:
    "Commander Kinsey" <C...@nospam.com> wrote:
    On Sat, 02 Apr 2022 06:50:55 +0100, Anthony William Sloman <bill....@ieee.org> wrote:
    On Saturday, April 2, 2022 at 1:38:40 PM UTC+11, Commander Kinsey wrote: >>> On Sat, 02 Apr 2022 03:32:48 +0100, Anthony William Sloman <bill....@ieee.org> wrote:
    On Saturday, April 2, 2022 at 1:15:51 PM UTC+11, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Sat, 02 Apr 2022 02:51:29 +0100, <DecadentLinux...@decadence.org> wrote:
    "Commander Kinsey" <C...@nospam.com> wrote in news:op.1jyww...@ryzen.lan:

    <snip>

    You replied to my sentence "That's my money paying for someone else, and is clearly theft for anyone with half a brain, now fuck off back to kindergarten."

    Please read the manual for your newsreader Dr, Sloman.

    His first gangbang...

    John Doe doesn't seem to know what the word means. When some half-literate moron expresses the desire that I don't respond to his half-witted posts with text that includes the occasional four letter verb, it isn't exactly an invitation to indulge in
    group sex.

    John Doe may feel the need to respond as if that was what was meant - a creep like him presumably can't afford to be all that discriminating - but the rest of us can be a bit pickier.

    --
    Bill Sloman, Sydney

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  • From Commander Kinsey@21:1/5 to whit3rd@gmail.com on Sun Apr 3 04:24:32 2022
    On Sun, 03 Apr 2022 00:49:21 +0100, whit3rd <whit3rd@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Saturday, April 2, 2022 at 1:53:53 PM UTC-7, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Sat, 02 Apr 2022 06:50:55 +0100, Anthony William Sloman <bill....@ieee.org> wrote:

    Every kind of education is an investment. We don't kill off the useless dregs, so it makes sense to give them some kind of education to find out of they have a talent for anything, and take advantage of any talent they might have. You should be
    grateful.
    No, they should pay to get that talent. Instead we try to educate the uneducatable and throw money down the drain. Those destined to work in McDonalds don't need school.

    The 'they should pay' means parents' wealth determines education. That's bad policy.

    Bullshit. If the kids are clever, it's because they got the clever genes from their parents, which means their parents will be rich too.

    The 'uneducatable' label is an arrogant dismissal of human beings, but lacks content otherwise.
    Destiny was an idea that went away millennia ago, and doesn't deserve a return engagement.

    Genetics took its place.

    As for need, the need is for a modern society to have well-educated populace. Who will be
    the movers/shapers/voters of tomorrow, if not those children? They are ALL lords and ladies
    in training.

    We only need some folk to be intelligent, most people are just doing routine mundane tasks. Making them intelligent means they get bored.

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  • From Commander Kinsey@21:1/5 to Anthony William Sloman on Sun Apr 3 04:26:42 2022
    On Sun, 03 Apr 2022 03:35:21 +0100, Anthony William Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> wrote:

    On Sunday, April 3, 2022 at 12:10:18 PM UTC+10, John Doe wrote:
    "Commander Kinsey" <C...@nospam.com> wrote:
    On Sat, 02 Apr 2022 06:50:55 +0100, Anthony William Sloman <bill....@ieee.org> wrote:
    On Saturday, April 2, 2022 at 1:38:40 PM UTC+11, Commander Kinsey wrote: >> >>> On Sat, 02 Apr 2022 03:32:48 +0100, Anthony William Sloman <bill....@ieee.org> wrote:
    On Saturday, April 2, 2022 at 1:15:51 PM UTC+11, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Sat, 02 Apr 2022 02:51:29 +0100, <DecadentLinux...@decadence.org> wrote:
    "Commander Kinsey" <C...@nospam.com> wrote in news:op.1jyww...@ryzen.lan:

    <snip>

    You replied to my sentence "That's my money paying for someone else, and is clearly theft for anyone with half a brain, now fuck off back to kindergarten."

    Please read the manual for your newsreader Dr, Sloman.

    His first gangbang...

    John Doe doesn't seem to know what the word means. When some half-literate moron expresses the desire that I don't respond to his half-witted posts with text that includes the occasional four letter verb, it isn't exactly an invitation to indulge in
    group sex.

    John Doe may feel the need to respond as if that was what was meant - a creep like him presumably can't afford to be all that discriminating - but the rest of us can be a bit pickier.

    You can say creep, but you can't say fuck?

    And again, you're replying to someone in the third person. You do know you just responded to John right? Did you take too much medication?

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  • From Commander Kinsey@21:1/5 to Anthony William Sloman on Sun Apr 3 05:57:06 2022
    On Sat, 02 Apr 2022 06:42:02 +0100, Anthony William Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> wrote:

    On Saturday, April 2, 2022 at 1:36:45 PM UTC+11, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Sat, 02 Apr 2022 03:22:44 +0100, Anthony William Sloman <bill....@ieee.org> wrote:

    which is when most people make heavy demands on it. Irresponsible idiots imagine that they are going to live forever, and resent paying for a service that isn't doing anything for them right now.

    It's not irresponsible to want to use your money to live a fun life now instead of extend it when you're old and decrepit. It's a choice.

    Until it comes to catching something infectious. And you probably won't know that what you've got is infectious.

    Stop expecting everyone else to look after you. Wear your own pansy mask.

    Here you are Mr Narrative Believer: https://rumble.com/vvimwi-how-to-get-along-with-narrative-believers-narrative-scripts.html

    The situation is further complicated by the fact that the main job of any public health service is actually monitoring for epidemics - like the Covid-19 pandemic which has been raging for the past two years, which was the first of it's kind since
    the Spanish flu which happened about a hundred years earlier. Anticipating unpredictable disasters does require the kind of expertise that most taxpayers lack.

    The UK NHS did a rotten job during the Covid19 pandemic, in part because a recent conservative government had dismantled it's contact tracing service to save money.

    The NHS never does a decent job, get rid of it entirely.

    That why the UK life expectancies are 81.4 years on average, 79.8 years for males and 83.0 years for females, while the corresponding US number are lower 78.5 year on average, 76.3 years for males and 80.7 years for females. The UK NHS is Spartan,
    but it is universal.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_life_expectancy

    The UK is 25th in the international ranking, and the US is 40th.

    Oooh! A whole 3 years extra living in a care home in misery while the "NHS" takes your money and house so you can't pass it on to your children.

    The Tory government went all left wing and put more money into the NHS during Covid.

    Better late than never. It makes lot more sense to set up a certain amount of excess capacity before you need it. Starting up something from scratch takes quite a bit longer than fleshing out an existing structure. As in the UK contact tracing debacle.

    The tories are supposed to be right wing, we didn't vote them in to waste our money.

    We shouldn't have put any in at all.

    Your lack of expertise is showing.

    Expertise in what, stealing money?

    Let Covid kill off the weak and useless. I've had no vaccinations and never wear a mask and have been in close contact with many people. I'm still here.

    What a pity. You don't deserve to be,

    By who's ruling? God?

    and if you had caught the infection,, not noticed,

    What, you mean it can actually be so mild it doesn't hurt? And yet you still worry about it?!

    toughed it out, and infected a whole lot of other people (killing some of them)

    It's called evolution. Live with it (or not).

    you would still be posting the same dangerous nonsense.

    Dangerous ROTFPMSL! I bet you wear a seatbelt too, just in case. You were beaten up at school weren't you?

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  • From Anthony William Sloman@21:1/5 to Commander Kinsey on Sun Apr 3 00:56:14 2022
    On Sunday, April 3, 2022 at 1:24:40 PM UTC+10, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Sun, 03 Apr 2022 00:49:21 +0100, whit3rd <whi...@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Saturday, April 2, 2022 at 1:53:53 PM UTC-7, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Sat, 02 Apr 2022 06:50:55 +0100, Anthony William Sloman <bill....@ieee.org> wrote:

    Every kind of education is an investment. We don't kill off the useless dregs, so it makes sense to give them some kind of education to find out of they have a talent for anything, and take advantage of any talent they might have. You should be
    grateful.
    No, they should pay to get that talent. Instead we try to educate the uneducatable and throw money down the drain. Those destined to work in McDonalds don't need school.

    The 'they should pay' means parents' wealth determines education. That's bad policy.

    Bullshit. If the kids are clever, it's because they got the clever genes from their parents, which means their parents will be rich too.

    It doesn't work that way. You might read "Blueprint" by Robert Plombin to get some idea of how it does work.

    https://www.amazon.com/Blueprint-How-DNA-Makes-Press/dp/0262039168

    And being clever doesn't necessarily make you all that rich. More to the point, lots of clever kids are brighter than their parents, and it can take a lot of work to persuade people as dim as you to invest in the education of their own kids. let alone in
    the education of anybody else's kids.

    The 'uneducatable' label is an arrogant dismissal of human beings, but lacks content otherwise.
    Destiny was an idea that went away millennia ago, and doesn't deserve a return engagement.

    Genetics took its place.

    It doesn't. Even less so if you have any idea how the inheritance of complex abilities actually works, with lots of genes (thousands) all having very small effects in a wide variety of very different ways.

    As for need, the need is for a modern society to have well-educated populace. Who will be
    the movers/shapers/voters of tomorrow, if not those children? They are ALL lords and ladies
    in training.

    We only need some folk to be intelligent, most people are just doing routine mundane tasks. Making them intelligent means they get bored.

    You can't make then intelligent, any more than you can make them talented. You can find out what their strengths are, and cultivate them, which much more a voyage of discovery than some kind of mining expedition. And of course the routine mundane tasks
    can and should be automated. Machines don't get bored and inattentive.

    --
    Bill Sloman, Sydney

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  • From Anthony William Sloman@21:1/5 to Commander Kinsey on Sun Apr 3 01:10:41 2022
    On Sunday, April 3, 2022 at 1:26:50 PM UTC+10, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Sun, 03 Apr 2022 03:35:21 +0100, Anthony William Sloman <bill....@ieee.org> wrote:

    On Sunday, April 3, 2022 at 12:10:18 PM UTC+10, John Doe wrote:
    "Commander Kinsey" <C...@nospam.com> wrote:
    On Sat, 02 Apr 2022 06:50:55 +0100, Anthony William Sloman <bill....@ieee.org> wrote:
    On Saturday, April 2, 2022 at 1:38:40 PM UTC+11, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Sat, 02 Apr 2022 03:32:48 +0100, Anthony William Sloman <bill....@ieee.org> wrote:
    On Saturday, April 2, 2022 at 1:15:51 PM UTC+11, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Sat, 02 Apr 2022 02:51:29 +0100, <DecadentLinux...@decadence.org> wrote:
    "Commander Kinsey" <C...@nospam.com> wrote in news:op.1jyww...@ryzen.lan:

    <snip>

    You replied to my sentence "That's my money paying for someone else, and is clearly theft for anyone with half a brain, now fuck off back to kindergarten."

    Please read the manual for your newsreader Dr, Sloman.

    His first gangbang...

    John Doe doesn't seem to know what the word means. When some half-literate moron expresses the desire that I don't respond to his half-witted posts with a text that includes the occasional four letter verb, he isn't exactly posting an invitation to
    indulge in group sex.

    John Doe may feel the need to respond as if that was what was meant - a creep like him presumably can't afford to be all that discriminating - but the rest of us can be a bit pickier.

    You can say creep, but you can't say fuck?

    Creep isn't actually a taboo word.

    And again, you're replying to someone in the third person. You do know you just responded to John right? Did you take too much medication?

    John Doe isn't a real person, any more than you are. He's merely another anonymous troll, and are remarkably unpleasant one, though you do seem to be trying to muscle into his territory. It's more that I'm responding at him, having found a way to be
    tolerably unpleasant about it. It's all about shooting fish in a barrel.

    --
    Bill Sloman, Sydney

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  • From Anthony William Sloman@21:1/5 to Commander Kinsey on Sun Apr 3 01:45:54 2022
    On Sunday, April 3, 2022 at 2:57:15 PM UTC+10, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Sat, 02 Apr 2022 06:42:02 +0100, Anthony William Sloman <bill....@ieee.org> wrote:
    On Saturday, April 2, 2022 at 1:36:45 PM UTC+11, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Sat, 02 Apr 2022 03:22:44 +0100, Anthony William Sloman <bill....@ieee.org> wrote:

    which is when most people make heavy demands on it. Irresponsible idiots imagine that they are going to live forever, and resent paying for a service that isn't doing anything for them right now.

    It's not irresponsible to want to use your money to live a fun life now instead of extend it when you're old and decrepit. It's a choice.

    Until it comes to catching something infectious. And you probably won't know that what you've got is infectious.

    Stop expecting everyone else to look after you. Wear your own pansy mask.

    There's nothing pansy about wearing a mask. It's exactly as much about looking after everybody else - protecting them about getting infected by you even if you don't know you are infected - as it is about protecting yourself from getting infected by
    anybody else.

    <snipped twaddle>

    The situation is further complicated by the fact that the main job of any public health service is actually monitoring for epidemics - like the Covid-19 pandemic which has been raging for the past two years, which was the first of it's kind since
    the Spanish flu which happened about a hundred years earlier. Anticipating unpredictable disasters does require the kind of expertise that most taxpayers lack.

    The UK NHS did a rotten job during the Covid19 pandemic, in part because a recent conservative government had dismantled it's contact tracing service to save money.

    The NHS never does a decent job, get rid of it entirely.

    That why the UK life expectancies are 81.4 years on average, 79.8 years for males and 83.0 years for females, while the corresponding US number are lower 78.5 year on average, 76.3 years for males and 80.7 years for females. The UK NHS is Spartan,
    but it is universal.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_life_expectancy

    The UK is 25th in the international ranking, and the US is 40th.

    Oooh! A whole 3 years extra living in a care home in misery while the "NHS" takes your money and house so you can't pass it on to your children.

    The National Health Service doesn't take you money or your house, unlike it's US equivalents, where getting sick is the most likely route to bankruptcy. Aged care homes aren't cheerful places, but good health care keeps you out of them for longer than
    bad and over-priced health care.

    The Tory government went all left wing and put more money into the NHS during Covid.

    Better late than never. It makes lot more sense to set up a certain amount of excess capacity before you need it. Starting up something from scratch takes quite a bit longer than fleshing out an existing structure. As in the UK contact tracing
    debacle.

    The tories are supposed to be right wing, we didn't vote them in to waste our money.

    You might not have been the only voter to support them - they did win the election, which does imply support outside the lunatic right wing fringe.

    <snip>

    Let Covid kill off the weak and useless. I've had no vaccinations and never wear a mask and have been in close contact with many people. I'm still here.

    What a pity. You don't deserve to be.

    By who's ruling? God?

    Just my opinion. God - if he existed - could make the point more directly.

    and if you had caught the infection,, not noticed,

    What, you mean it can actually be so mild it doesn't hurt? And yet you still worry about it?!

    Something like 30% of Covid-19 infections are asymptomatic. It's higher if you have been vaccinated against it. And even without symptoms you can have a high enough viral load to infect other people. In fact the asmptomatic seem to have as high a viral
    load as people who go on to show symptoms.

    They don't have it for all that long, so it is worth getting vaccinated, and the vaccinated are less likely to get infected at all, so it pays off for everybody else as well

    toughed it out, and infected a whole lot of other people (killing some of them).

    It's called evolution. Live with it (or not).

    Nobody sane calls endangering other people "evolution".

    you would still be posting the same dangerous nonsense.

    Dangerous ROTFPMSL! I bet you wear a seatbelt too, just in case. You were beaten up at school weren't you?

    Even if you are too stupid to realise how much of a menace you are, you are still a menace.

    I wear a seat-belt when I'm in a car. I've not had any advantage from it yet, but that doesn't mean that it is a bad idea.

    I didn't get beaten up at school - I got taught to box at an early age, and nobody started in on that that twice. We did discourage a few people who had ambitions in that direction - we didn't do enough damage to give the teachers anything to notice,
    but the discouragement was effective.

    --
    Bill Sloman, Sydney

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  • From DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno@decadenc@21:1/5 to Commander Wannabe Kinsey on Sun Apr 3 09:41:21 2022
    "Commander Wannabe Kinsey" <CK1@nospam.com> wrote in news:op.1j0426v3mvhs6z@ryzen.lan:

    We only need some folk to be intelligent, most people are just
    doing routine mundane tasks. Making them intelligent means they
    get bored.

    You're an absolute total retard. You probably never worked a day in
    your life and you want to declare what the world should be for everyone
    else. You are as bad as Trump, if not worse. You are a bloody fucking
    idiot, boy.

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  • From DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno@decadenc@21:1/5 to Commander Kinsey on Sun Apr 3 09:31:58 2022
    "Commander Kinsey" <CK1@nospam.com> wrote in
    news:op.1j0qjaaqmvhs6z@ryzen.lan:

    See, the NHS is shit.

    Turd Commander Kinsey is what is shit.

    That's all you are and all you'll ever be.
    Maybe try some of the on topic posts, instead of invading the group
    with your inane baby bullshit. Though I doubt seriously that you have
    any grasp of electronics at all, much less electron theory or physics.
    You stink, boy.

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  • From DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno@decadenc@21:1/5 to Commander Kinsey on Sun Apr 3 09:39:03 2022
    "Commander Kinsey" <CK1@nospam.com> wrote in
    news:op.1j0426v3mvhs6z@ryzen.lan:

    Bullshit. If the kids are clever, it's because they got the
    clever genes from their parents, which means their parents will be
    rich too.


    You are an idiot and you sully the human gene pool. You and your
    entire bloodline should be erased. Then, the world will be richer.

    Clueless scumbags like you think you have it all figured out, but
    fail when it comes to accounting for all of what those taxes did for
    you and the improvement of your life.

    It does not get any more clueless than a dope like you with the
    ideology you have. There are BILLIONS of people on the planet. Some
    come out of rich families. Many if not most do not. You lacking the
    grasp of what the world is and has to be in that scenario is 100% why
    you will likely never get it.

    You would not know what the bigger picture was if it bit you in your
    fat, never was a commander of anything but stupidity ass.

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  • From DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno@decadenc@21:1/5 to Anthony William Sloman on Sun Apr 3 12:58:28 2022
    Anthony William Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> wrote in news:1b3eb6f5-88b5-489f-8b3e-2f010a705fedn@googlegroups.com:

    There's nothing pansy about wearing a mask. It's exactly as much
    about looking after everybody else - protecting them about
    getting infected by you even if you don't know you are infected -
    as it is about protecting yourself from getting infected by
    anybody else.

    Jimmy Kimmel summed it up pretty darn good IMO.
    He spells out exactly what is wrong with dopey people unwilling to
    conform to know, proven science, all the while embracing the science of
    other aspects of modern life, all the while wearing horse blinders and
    the attitude of failed jr. high school football jock.

    <https://youtu.be/4FkU9fF_NLY?t=489>

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  • From StupidAs StupidGet@21:1/5 to DecadentLinux...@decadence.org on Sun Apr 3 08:55:10 2022
    On Sunday, April 3, 2022 at 5:58:37 AM UTC-7, DecadentLinux...@decadence.org wrote:
    Anthony William Sloman <bill....@ieee.org> wrote in news:1b3eb6f5-88b5-489f...@googlegroups.com:
    There's nothing pansy about wearing a mask. It's exactly as much
    about looking after everybody else - protecting them about
    getting infected by you even if you don't know you are infected -
    as it is about protecting yourself from getting infected by
    anybody else.
    Jimmy Kimmel summed it up pretty darn good IMO.
    He spells out exactly what is wrong with dopey people unwilling to
    conform to know, proven science, all the while embracing the science of
    other aspects of modern life, all the while wearing horse blinders and
    the attitude of failed jr. high school football jock.

    <https://youtu.be/4FkU9fF_NLY?t=489>

    Sound exactly like you FFF

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  • From John Doe@21:1/5 to All on Sun Apr 3 20:29:47 2022
    rubles gas

    https://theprint.in/world/slovak-economy-minister-says-ready-to-pay-for-russian-gas-supplies-in-rubles/900847/

    The first official submission AFAIK.

    "Slovakia cannot give up Russian gas and will pay for supplies in rubles
    if needed, Slovak Economy Minister Richard Sulik said on Sunday."

    The other hostile countries have until about the middle of this month.

    They are acting like spoiled brats. They slap Russia, then they whine
    about Russia "not playing fair". That's what they get for sucking on
    big fat Russian oil pipes.



    I wrote:

    This looks like a BIG if not HUGE story the media is not focusing on.

    Just search Google for...

    allintext:Russia (gas OR oil) rubles

    Russia says European countries who are arming its enemy (Ukraine) must pay for Russian oil and gas in Rubles. Those countries are refusing to do so, citing "unfairness" and "breach of contract".

    I wonder how easy it is to turn off those pipes.




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  • From Commander Kinsey@21:1/5 to Anthony William Sloman on Sun Apr 3 21:18:53 2022
    On Sat, 02 Apr 2022 07:47:19 +0100, Anthony William Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> wrote:

    On Saturday, April 2, 2022 at 5:19:22 PM UTC+11, John Doe wrote:
    Sick 'em

    He probably meant "sic 'em".

    https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/sic

    John Doe is an idiot troll, so it probably isn't a typo.

    Why are you telling John Doe that John Doe is a troll? Perhaps you could have said "You are an idiot troll"?

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  • From Commander Kinsey@21:1/5 to Anthony William Sloman on Mon Apr 4 01:06:40 2022
    On Sun, 03 Apr 2022 09:10:41 +0100, Anthony William Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> wrote:

    On Sunday, April 3, 2022 at 1:26:50 PM UTC+10, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Sun, 03 Apr 2022 03:35:21 +0100, Anthony William Sloman <bill....@ieee.org> wrote:

    On Sunday, April 3, 2022 at 12:10:18 PM UTC+10, John Doe wrote:
    "Commander Kinsey" <C...@nospam.com> wrote:
    On Sat, 02 Apr 2022 06:50:55 +0100, Anthony William Sloman <bill....@ieee.org> wrote:
    On Saturday, April 2, 2022 at 1:38:40 PM UTC+11, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Sat, 02 Apr 2022 03:32:48 +0100, Anthony William Sloman <bill....@ieee.org> wrote:
    On Saturday, April 2, 2022 at 1:15:51 PM UTC+11, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Sat, 02 Apr 2022 02:51:29 +0100, <DecadentLinux...@decadence.org> wrote:
    "Commander Kinsey" <C...@nospam.com> wrote in news:op.1jyww...@ryzen.lan:

    <snip>

    You replied to my sentence "That's my money paying for someone else, and is clearly theft for anyone with half a brain, now fuck off back to kindergarten."

    Please read the manual for your newsreader Dr, Sloman.

    His first gangbang...

    John Doe doesn't seem to know what the word means. When some half-literate moron expresses the desire that I don't respond to his half-witted posts with a text that includes the occasional four letter verb, he isn't exactly posting an invitation to
    indulge in group sex.

    John Doe may feel the need to respond as if that was what was meant - a creep like him presumably can't afford to be all that discriminating - but the rest of us can be a bit pickier.

    You can say creep, but you can't say fuck?

    Creep isn't actually a taboo word.

    No words are taboo to anyone with a modicum of intelligence you fuckwit.

    And again, you're replying to someone in the third person. You do know you just responded to John right? Did you take too much medication?

    John Doe isn't a real person, any more than you are.

    We are both real people, albeit with different names on our birth certificates than on here.

    He's merely another anonymous troll,

    I do not troll, I disagree in the strongest possible terms, often with a commonly held misbelief, like religion.

    and are remarkably unpleasant one, though you do seem to be trying to muscle into his territory. It's more that I'm responding at him, having found a way to be tolerably unpleasant about it. It's all about shooting fish in a barrel.

    Nobody ever replies to Mr Slow Man taking about "Mr Slow Man", in English we would say "you pillock" not "Mr Slow Man is a pillock".

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  • From Commander Kinsey@21:1/5 to Anthony William Sloman on Mon Apr 4 01:02:20 2022
    On Sun, 03 Apr 2022 01:25:44 +0100, Anthony William Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> wrote:

    On Sunday, April 3, 2022 at 6:53:53 AM UTC+10, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Sat, 02 Apr 2022 06:50:55 +0100, Anthony William Sloman <bill....@ieee.org> wrote:
    On Saturday, April 2, 2022 at 1:38:40 PM UTC+11, Commander Kinsey wrote: >> >> On Sat, 02 Apr 2022 03:32:48 +0100, Anthony William Sloman <bill....@ieee.org> wrote:
    On Saturday, April 2, 2022 at 1:15:51 PM UTC+11, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Sat, 02 Apr 2022 02:51:29 +0100, <DecadentLinux...@decadence.org> wrote:
    "Commander Kinsey" <C...@nospam.com> wrote in news:op.1jyww...@ryzen.lan:

    It's my money, so anyone using it without my permission is a thief. >> >> >> >
    Once you pay a tax, the money you paid is no longer yours, you ignorant fucking retarded piece of shit.

    Governments must love gullible people like you. I pay money for a gardener to do my garden, I pay money to fill my car with petrol. I do not want to pay money for someone else's kid to get educated.

    Of course, if you want to hire somebody to look after your garden, you'd want a trained gardener. Somebody has to pay to cover the cost of getting them trained.

    Universal education trains up everybody to good at the sort of tasks for which they have a talent. It happens to be more sensible to use your money to educate everybody, rather than wait for you to decide what service you need to buy and train
    somebody to do that job.

    The gardener (or his parents) should pay to get trained, because it's an investment for him.

    Every kind of education is an investment. We don't kill off the useless dregs, so it makes sense to give them some kind of education to find out of they have a talent for anything, and take advantage of any talent they might have. You should be
    grateful.

    No, they should pay to get that talent. Instead we try to educate the uneducatable and throw money down the drain. Those destined to work in McDonalds don't need school.
    Not that a gardener needs training, I was doing that as a teenager.

    Badly, and under supervision. You seem to be dumb enough not to realise quite how badly.

    The guy I gardened for was very OCD and would not have accepted badly. It's not rocket science to dig.

    There's more to gardening than digging, though you probably aren't aware of the higher level stuff.

    Flower arranging? Really complicated that is.

    That's my money paying for someone else, and is clearly theft for anyone with half a brain, now fuck off back to kindergarten.

    Commander Kinsey does seem to have less than half the brain he needs, so he doesn't see the point of universal education. It would have been wasted on him but the education system does serve a function in labeling twits like him as ineducatable
    idiots, which he will have resented.

    A commander is somebody who leads cannon-fodder, which is to say one more expendable idiot.

    Talking to someone in the third person shows you're fucking drunk and have lost the plot.

    I'm not talking to you. You clearly haven't got the wit to follow what's being said.

    You replied to my sentence "That's my money paying for someone else, and is clearly theft for anyone with half a brain, now fuck off back to kindergarten."

    I produced a response to your sentence. Anybody silly enough to produce a sentence like that isn't going to get a reply, but rather a response which points out how silly it is.

    Please read the manual for your newsreader Dr. Sloman.

    There isn't any manual that I'm aware of. I have been posting here for more than twenty years now, and I do know what's expected which does include dumping on halfwits like you.

    You need to learn the simple art of conversation. The person you respond to is the one you're replying to.

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  • From Commander Kinsey@21:1/5 to Anthony William Sloman on Mon Apr 4 01:04:19 2022
    On Sun, 03 Apr 2022 08:56:14 +0100, Anthony William Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> wrote:

    On Sunday, April 3, 2022 at 1:24:40 PM UTC+10, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Sun, 03 Apr 2022 00:49:21 +0100, whit3rd <whi...@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Saturday, April 2, 2022 at 1:53:53 PM UTC-7, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Sat, 02 Apr 2022 06:50:55 +0100, Anthony William Sloman <bill....@ieee.org> wrote:

    Every kind of education is an investment. We don't kill off the useless dregs, so it makes sense to give them some kind of education to find out of they have a talent for anything, and take advantage of any talent they might have. You should be
    grateful.
    No, they should pay to get that talent. Instead we try to educate the uneducatable and throw money down the drain. Those destined to work in McDonalds don't need school.

    The 'they should pay' means parents' wealth determines education. That's bad policy.

    Bullshit. If the kids are clever, it's because they got the clever genes from their parents, which means their parents will be rich too.

    It doesn't work that way. You might read "Blueprint" by Robert Plombin to get some idea of how it does work.

    https://www.amazon.com/Blueprint-How-DNA-Makes-Press/dp/0262039168

    I know how it works from experience and how genetics works. You pass on everything - intelligence, height, health, etc.

    And being clever doesn't necessarily make you all that rich.

    Of course it does, why do you think jobs requiring you to be clever pay more?

    More to the point, lots of clever kids are brighter than their parents, and it can take a lot of work to persuade people as dim as you to invest in the education of their own kids. let alone in the education of anybody else's kids.

    Not much brighter, maybe a little less lazy.

    As for need, the need is for a modern society to have well-educated populace. Who will be
    the movers/shapers/voters of tomorrow, if not those children? They are ALL lords and ladies
    in training.

    We only need some folk to be intelligent, most people are just doing routine mundane tasks. Making them intelligent means they get bored.

    You can't make then intelligent, any more than you can make them talented. You can find out what their strengths are, and cultivate them, which much more a voyage of discovery than some kind of mining expedition. And of course the routine mundane tasks
    can and should be automated. Machines don't get bored and inattentive.

    Thanks for pointing out how useless educating everyone in everything actually is.

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  • From Commander Kinsey@21:1/5 to Anthony William Sloman on Mon Apr 4 01:30:07 2022
    On Sun, 03 Apr 2022 09:45:54 +0100, Anthony William Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> wrote:

    On Sunday, April 3, 2022 at 2:57:15 PM UTC+10, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Sat, 02 Apr 2022 06:42:02 +0100, Anthony William Sloman <bill....@ieee.org> wrote:
    On Saturday, April 2, 2022 at 1:36:45 PM UTC+11, Commander Kinsey wrote: >> >> On Sat, 02 Apr 2022 03:22:44 +0100, Anthony William Sloman <bill....@ieee.org> wrote:

    which is when most people make heavy demands on it. Irresponsible idiots imagine that they are going to live forever, and resent paying for a service that isn't doing anything for them right now.

    It's not irresponsible to want to use your money to live a fun life now instead of extend it when you're old and decrepit. It's a choice.

    Until it comes to catching something infectious. And you probably won't know that what you've got is infectious.

    Stop expecting everyone else to look after you. Wear your own pansy mask.

    There's nothing pansy about wearing a mask. It's exactly as much about looking after everybody else - protecting them about getting infected by you even if you don't know you are infected - as it is about protecting yourself from getting infected by
    anybody else.

    It's only protects me, since you would be wearing your own, or did you get a magic one that only lets germs go one way?

    The situation is further complicated by the fact that the main job of any public health service is actually monitoring for epidemics - like the Covid-19 pandemic which has been raging for the past two years, which was the first of it's kind since
    the Spanish flu which happened about a hundred years earlier. Anticipating unpredictable disasters does require the kind of expertise that most taxpayers lack.

    The UK NHS did a rotten job during the Covid19 pandemic, in part because a recent conservative government had dismantled it's contact tracing service to save money.

    The NHS never does a decent job, get rid of it entirely.

    That why the UK life expectancies are 81.4 years on average, 79.8 years for males and 83.0 years for females, while the corresponding US number are lower 78.5 year on average, 76.3 years for males and 80.7 years for females. The UK NHS is Spartan,
    but it is universal.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_life_expectancy

    The UK is 25th in the international ranking, and the US is 40th.

    Oooh! A whole 3 years extra living in a care home in misery while the "NHS" takes your money and house so you can't pass it on to your children.

    The National Health Service doesn't take you money or your house, unlike it's US equivalents, where getting sick is the most likely route to bankruptcy. Aged care homes aren't cheerful places, but good health care keeps you out of them for longer than
    bad and over-priced health care.

    WRONG. My grandmother was in a care home for 2-3 years and half her house value was taken.

    The Tory government went all left wing and put more money into the NHS during Covid.

    Better late than never. It makes lot more sense to set up a certain amount of excess capacity before you need it. Starting up something from scratch takes quite a bit longer than fleshing out an existing structure. As in the UK contact tracing
    debacle.

    The tories are supposed to be right wing, we didn't vote them in to waste our money.

    You might not have been the only voter to support them - they did win the election, which does imply support outside the lunatic right wing fringe.

    It doesn't imply it, as another option is 50% of people are in the "sensible right fringe" while the other 50% are in the "theiving left fringe". Sometimes it's 51/49 one way, sometimes the other way.

    Let Covid kill off the weak and useless. I've had no vaccinations and never wear a mask and have been in close contact with many people. I'm still here.

    What a pity. You don't deserve to be.

    By who's ruling? God?

    Just my opinion. God - if he existed - could make the point more directly.

    Your opinion is wrong. Evolution must be allowed to take place.

    and if you had caught the infection, not noticed,

    What, you mean it can actually be so mild it doesn't hurt? And yet you still worry about it?!

    Something like 30% of Covid-19 infections are asymptomatic. It's higher if you have been vaccinated against it. And even without symptoms you can have a high enough viral load to infect other people. In fact the asmptomatic seem to have as high a
    viral load as people who go on to show symptoms.

    They don't have it for all that long, so it is worth getting vaccinated, and the vaccinated are less likely to get infected at all, so it pays off for everybody else as well

    The vaccinated are also less likely to have symptoms, as you just pointed out, so more likely to pass it on unknowingly.

    Anyway, since the stats from a Canadian hospital through a freedom of information request showed 83% of people admitted (so that's with serious symptoms) had been vaccinated, it's fucking useless.

    toughed it out, and infected a whole lot of other people (killing some of them).

    It's called evolution. Live with it (or not).

    Nobody sane calls endangering other people "evolution".

    It's not endangering the tougher ones. If I drive dangerously, I could kill anybody. If I cough over someone, I can only kill the weak, which is what evolution is all about.

    you would still be posting the same dangerous nonsense.

    Dangerous ROTFPMSL! I bet you wear a seatbelt too, just in case. You were beaten up at school weren't you?

    Even if you are too stupid to realise how much of a menace you are, you are still a menace.

    I was a menace at school. I wonder if you were one of the poor little "victims"?

    I wear a seat-belt when I'm in a car. I've not had any advantage from it yet, but that doesn't mean that it is a bad idea.

    Yes it does. It means every single time you put it on you were wasting your time.

    I didn't get beaten up at school - I got taught to box at an early age,

    Ah, the weak ones always take up karate etc to make up for being inferior.

    and nobody started in on that that twice. We did discourage a few people who had ambitions in that direction - we didn't do enough damage to give the teachers anything to notice, but the discouragement was effective.

    I hospitalised someone. He didn't grass.

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  • From Anthony William Sloman@21:1/5 to Commander Kinsey on Sun Apr 3 20:43:33 2022
    On Monday, April 4, 2022 at 10:30:16 AM UTC+10, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Sun, 03 Apr 2022 09:45:54 +0100, Anthony William Sloman <bill....@ieee.org> wrote:

    On Sunday, April 3, 2022 at 2:57:15 PM UTC+10, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Sat, 02 Apr 2022 06:42:02 +0100, Anthony William Sloman <bill....@ieee.org> wrote:
    On Saturday, April 2, 2022 at 1:36:45 PM UTC+11, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Sat, 02 Apr 2022 03:22:44 +0100, Anthony William Sloman <bill....@ieee.org> wrote:

    which is when most people make heavy demands on it. Irresponsible idiots imagine that they are going to live forever, and resent paying for a service that isn't doing anything for them right now.

    It's not irresponsible to want to use your money to live a fun life now instead of extend it when you're old and decrepit. It's a choice.

    Until it comes to catching something infectious. And you probably won't know that what you've got is infectious.

    Stop expecting everyone else to look after you. Wear your own pansy mask.

    There's nothing pansy about wearing a mask. It's exactly as much about looking after everybody else - protecting them about getting infected by you even if you don't know you are infected - as it is about protecting yourself from getting infected by
    anybody else.

    It's only protects me, since you would be wearing your own, or did you get a magic one that only lets germs go one way?

    Masks aren't anything like perfect. They make it less likely that you will infect anybody else (if you happen to be infected and you won't know that since you are infectious before you show symptoms), They also make less likely that you will get exposed
    to the virus if somebody else is infected. They catch some of the virus loaded droplets, but can't catch all of them.

    The situation is further complicated by the fact that the main job of any public health service is actually monitoring for epidemics - like the Covid-19 pandemic which has been raging for the past two years, which was the first of it's kind
    since the Spanish flu which happened about a hundred years earlier. Anticipating unpredictable disasters does require the kind of expertise that most taxpayers lack.

    The UK NHS did a rotten job during the Covid19 pandemic, in part because a recent conservative government had dismantled it's contact tracing service to save money.

    The NHS never does a decent job, get rid of it entirely.

    That why the UK life expectancies are 81.4 years on average, 79.8 years for males and 83.0 years for females, while the corresponding US number are lower 78.5 year on average, 76.3 years for males and 80.7 years for females. The UK NHS is Spartan,
    but it is universal.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_life_expectancy

    The UK is 25th in the international ranking, and the US is 40th.

    Oooh! A whole 3 years extra living in a care home in misery while the "NHS" takes your money and house so you can't pass it on to your children.

    The National Health Service doesn't take you money or your house, unlike it's US equivalents, where getting sick is the most likely route to bankruptcy. Aged care homes aren't cheerful places, but good health care keeps you out of them for longer
    than bad and over-priced health care.

    WRONG. My grandmother was in a care home for 2-3 years and half her house value was taken.

    But that wasn't done by the NHS. How you mother' care was paid for is something you haven't told us - you presumably don't know, since you think the NHS was involved.

    The Tory government went all left wing and put more money into the NHS during Covid.

    Better late than never. It makes lot more sense to set up a certain amount of excess capacity before you need it. Starting up something from scratch takes quite a bit longer than fleshing out an existing structure. As in the UK contact tracing
    debacle.

    The tories are supposed to be right wing, we didn't vote them in to waste our money.

    You might not have been the only voter to support them - they did win the election, which does imply support outside the lunatic right wing fringe.

    It doesn't imply it, as another option is 50% of people are in the "sensible right fringe" while the other 50% are in the "theiving left fringe". Sometimes it's 51/49 one way, sometimes the other way.

    Nobody sensible would have voted for a party lead by Boris Johnson. His personality defects are well known.

    Let Covid kill off the weak and useless. I've had no vaccinations and never wear a mask and have been in close contact with many people. I'm still here.

    What a pity. You don't deserve to be.

    By who's ruling? God?

    Just my opinion. God - if he existed - could make the point more directly.

    Your opinion is wrong. Evolution must be allowed to take place.

    It is taking place - you wont wear a mask or get vaccinated. Human beings have been selected for resistance to infectious disease since started living in towns, but the selection is only effective when it takes out people who will go on to reproduce.
    Killing of the elderly - which is what Covid19 is best at isn't applying any direct selective pressure at all.

    and if you had caught the infection, not noticed,

    What, you mean it can actually be so mild it doesn't hurt? And yet you still worry about it?!

    Something like 30% of Covid-19 infections are asymptomatic. It's higher if you have been vaccinated against it. And even without symptoms you can have a high enough viral load to infect other people. In fact the asmptomatic seem to have as high a
    viral load as people who go on to show symptoms.

    They don't have it for all that long, so it is worth getting vaccinated, and the vaccinated are less likely to get infected at all, so it pays off for everybody else as well

    The vaccinated are also less likely to have symptoms, as you just pointed out, so more likely to pass it on unknowingly.

    Pretty much everybody passes it on unknowingly. You are infectious before you show symptoms, and because you haven't retreated to your bed at that point, you are a lot more likely to pass on the disease at that early stage.

    Anyway, since the stats from a Canadian hospital through a freedom of information request showed 83% of people admitted (so that's with serious symptoms) had been vaccinated, it's fucking useless.

    You didn't look at enough statistics, and probably didn't understand what you did look at. Vaccination does help a lot. It boosts your immune system, and the elderly immune system isn't up to much, so it doesn't stop elderly victims getting sick and
    dying, but fewer - even of them - get infected if they've been vaccinated or go on to need intensive care or end up dying.

    toughed it out, and infected a whole lot of other people (killing some of them).

    It's called evolution. Live with it (or not).

    Nobody sane calls endangering other people "evolution".

    It's not endangering the tougher ones. If I drive dangerously, I could kill anybody. If I cough over someone, I can only kill the weak, which is what evolution is all about.

    Evolution is about killing off people before they can reproduce. Covid-19 mostly kills of the elderly, who weren't going to reproduce.

    you would still be posting the same dangerous nonsense.

    Dangerous ROTFPMSL! I bet you wear a seatbelt too, just in case. You were beaten up at school weren't you?

    Even if you are too stupid to realise how much of a menace you are, you are still a menace.

    I was a menace at school. I wonder if you were one of the poor little "victims"?

    Far from it. I was a menace to people like you, because I could and did hit back, but most of the time I was bookish, short-sighted and friendly kid with a thoroughly nasty straight right (which I didn't like using because the target's teeth tended to
    graze my knuckles).

    I wear a seat-belt when I'm in a car. I've not had any advantage from it yet, but that doesn't mean that it is a bad idea.

    Yes it does. It means every single time you put it on you were wasting your time.

    But the payoff when you needed to do it can be remarkably large. Your problem is simple stupidity.

    I didn't get beaten up at school - I got taught to box at an early age,

    Ah, the weak ones always take up karate etc to make up for being inferior.

    I didn't take it up. One of our neighbours used to shadow box with me when I was very young, and the habits he inculcated stuck. I did find it a bit odd when I found out that I knew the moves when I needed them, but it did prove very handy. I've always
    had relatively quick response times, which may have helped.

    and nobody started in on that that twice. We did discourage a few people who had ambitions in that direction - we didn't do enough damage to give the teachers anything to notice, but the discouragement was effective.

    I hospitalised someone. He didn't grass.

    He should have done. Group loyalty is one thing, but your putting a kid into hospital means that you should have got treatment - not that the kind of psychopath you seem to be is all that susceptible to treatment.
    --
    Bill Sloman, Sydney

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  • From Commander Kinsey@21:1/5 to Anthony William Sloman on Mon Apr 4 05:03:29 2022
    On Mon, 04 Apr 2022 04:43:33 +0100, Anthony William Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> wrote:

    On Monday, April 4, 2022 at 10:30:16 AM UTC+10, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Sun, 03 Apr 2022 09:45:54 +0100, Anthony William Sloman <bill....@ieee.org> wrote:

    On Sunday, April 3, 2022 at 2:57:15 PM UTC+10, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Sat, 02 Apr 2022 06:42:02 +0100, Anthony William Sloman <bill....@ieee.org> wrote:
    On Saturday, April 2, 2022 at 1:36:45 PM UTC+11, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Sat, 02 Apr 2022 03:22:44 +0100, Anthony William Sloman <bill....@ieee.org> wrote:

    which is when most people make heavy demands on it. Irresponsible idiots imagine that they are going to live forever, and resent paying for a service that isn't doing anything for them right now.

    It's not irresponsible to want to use your money to live a fun life now instead of extend it when you're old and decrepit. It's a choice.

    Until it comes to catching something infectious. And you probably won't know that what you've got is infectious.

    Stop expecting everyone else to look after you. Wear your own pansy mask. >> >
    There's nothing pansy about wearing a mask. It's exactly as much about looking after everybody else - protecting them about getting infected by you even if you don't know you are infected - as it is about protecting yourself from getting infected by
    anybody else.

    It's only protects me, since you would be wearing your own, or did you get a magic one that only lets germs go one way?

    Masks aren't anything like perfect. They make it less likely that you will infect anybody else (if you happen to be infected and you won't know that since you are infectious before you show symptoms), They also make less likely that you will get
    exposed to the virus if somebody else is infected. They catch some of the virus loaded droplets, but can't catch all of them.

    Then you can wear two so I don't have to wear one.

    The situation is further complicated by the fact that the main job of any public health service is actually monitoring for epidemics - like the Covid-19 pandemic which has been raging for the past two years, which was the first of it's kind
    since the Spanish flu which happened about a hundred years earlier. Anticipating unpredictable disasters does require the kind of expertise that most taxpayers lack.

    The UK NHS did a rotten job during the Covid19 pandemic, in part because a recent conservative government had dismantled it's contact tracing service to save money.

    The NHS never does a decent job, get rid of it entirely.

    That why the UK life expectancies are 81.4 years on average, 79.8 years for males and 83.0 years for females, while the corresponding US number are lower 78.5 year on average, 76.3 years for males and 80.7 years for females. The UK NHS is Spartan,
    but it is universal.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_life_expectancy

    The UK is 25th in the international ranking, and the US is 40th.

    Oooh! A whole 3 years extra living in a care home in misery while the "NHS" takes your money and house so you can't pass it on to your children.

    The National Health Service doesn't take you money or your house, unlike it's US equivalents, where getting sick is the most likely route to bankruptcy. Aged care homes aren't cheerful places, but good health care keeps you out of them for longer
    than bad and over-priced health care.

    WRONG. My grandmother was in a care home for 2-3 years and half her house value was taken.

    But that wasn't done by the NHS. How you mother' care was paid for is something you haven't told us - you presumably don't know, since you think the NHS was involved.

    There is no free care. She got free nursing and medication. But the housing and running of the place like cooking and cleaning had to be paid for out of her own money. It would have become free if she ran out of money, but half her life savings was
    gone in a couple of years.

    The Tory government went all left wing and put more money into the NHS during Covid.

    Better late than never. It makes lot more sense to set up a certain amount of excess capacity before you need it. Starting up something from scratch takes quite a bit longer than fleshing out an existing structure. As in the UK contact tracing
    debacle.

    The tories are supposed to be right wing, we didn't vote them in to waste our money.

    You might not have been the only voter to support them - they did win the election, which does imply support outside the lunatic right wing fringe.

    It doesn't imply it, as another option is 50% of people are in the "sensible right fringe" while the other 50% are in the "theiving left fringe". Sometimes it's 51/49 one way, sometimes the other way.

    Nobody sensible would have voted for a party lead by Boris Johnson. His personality defects are well known.

    His personality is great, he's more a normal person than a politician. And there's not much change in policy between him and Cameron. I vote for a party not a leader.

    Let Covid kill off the weak and useless. I've had no vaccinations and never wear a mask and have been in close contact with many people. I'm still here.

    What a pity. You don't deserve to be.

    By who's ruling? God?

    Just my opinion. God - if he existed - could make the point more directly. >>
    Your opinion is wrong. Evolution must be allowed to take place.

    It is taking place - you wont wear a mask or get vaccinated. Human beings have been selected for resistance to infectious disease since started living in towns, but the selection is only effective when it takes out people who will go on to reproduce.
    Killing of the elderly - which is what Covid19 is best at isn't applying any direct selective pressure at all.

    It reduces the burden on society.

    and if you had caught the infection, not noticed,

    What, you mean it can actually be so mild it doesn't hurt? And yet you still worry about it?!

    Something like 30% of Covid-19 infections are asymptomatic. It's higher if you have been vaccinated against it. And even without symptoms you can have a high enough viral load to infect other people. In fact the asmptomatic seem to have as high a
    viral load as people who go on to show symptoms.

    They don't have it for all that long, so it is worth getting vaccinated, and the vaccinated are less likely to get infected at all, so it pays off for everybody else as well

    The vaccinated are also less likely to have symptoms, as you just pointed out, so more likely to pass it on unknowingly.

    Pretty much everybody passes it on unknowingly. You are infectious before you show symptoms, and because you haven't retreated to your bed at that point, you are a lot more likely to pass on the disease at that early stage.

    But if I never get symptoms, or just some mild ones I think are a cold, I will continue to mix with people when I would have been in bed. Why do you think they tell people with symptoms to self isolate?

    Anyway, since the stats from a Canadian hospital through a freedom of information request showed 83% of people admitted (so that's with serious symptoms) had been vaccinated, it's fucking useless.

    You didn't look at enough statistics, and probably didn't understand what you did look at. Vaccination does help a lot. It boosts your immune system, and the elderly immune system isn't up to much, so it doesn't stop elderly victims getting sick and
    dying, but fewer - even of them - get infected if they've been vaccinated or go on to need intensive care or end up dying.

    83% speaks for itself.

    toughed it out, and infected a whole lot of other people (killing some of them).

    It's called evolution. Live with it (or not).

    Nobody sane calls endangering other people "evolution".

    It's not endangering the tougher ones. If I drive dangerously, I could kill anybody. If I cough over someone, I can only kill the weak, which is what evolution is all about.

    Evolution is about killing off people before they can reproduce. Covid-19 mostly kills of the elderly, who weren't going to reproduce.

    Plenty reproducible people die off.

    you would still be posting the same dangerous nonsense.

    Dangerous ROTFPMSL! I bet you wear a seatbelt too, just in case. You were beaten up at school weren't you?

    Even if you are too stupid to realise how much of a menace you are, you are still a menace.

    I was a menace at school. I wonder if you were one of the poor little "victims"?

    Far from it. I was a menace to people like you, because I could and did hit back, but most of the time I was bookish, short-sighted and friendly kid with a thoroughly nasty straight right (which I didn't like using because the target's teeth tended to
    graze my knuckles).

    Nobody ever menaced me, and I didn't have your pansy training.

    I wear a seat-belt when I'm in a car. I've not had any advantage from it yet, but that doesn't mean that it is a bad idea.

    Yes it does. It means every single time you put it on you were wasting your time.

    But the payoff when you needed to do it can be remarkably large. Your problem is simple stupidity.

    The payoff for buying a lottery ticket every day can be large, but it will probably never exist.

    Anyway, seatbelts can actually make a crash worse. Not being able to escape, not being thrown from the vehicle away from danger, etc.

    I didn't get beaten up at school - I got taught to box at an early age,

    Ah, the weak ones always take up karate etc to make up for being inferior.

    I didn't take it up. One of our neighbours used to shadow box with me when I was very young, and the habits he inculcated stuck. I did find it a bit odd when I found out that I knew the moves when I needed them, but it did prove very handy. I've always
    had relatively quick response times, which may have helped.

    Response time is very helpful. Have you looked up the response time the highway code says drivers have? Now measure yours, it will be a tiny fraction of it.

    and nobody started in on that that twice. We did discourage a few people who had ambitions in that direction - we didn't do enough damage to give the teachers anything to notice, but the discouragement was effective.

    I hospitalised someone. He didn't grass.

    He should have done. Group loyalty is one thing, but your putting a kid into hospital means that you should have got treatment - not that the kind of psychopath you seem to be is all that susceptible to treatment.

    He started it. And he was a friend, and remained so.

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  • From Anthony William Sloman@21:1/5 to Commander Kinsey on Sun Apr 3 22:49:10 2022
    On Monday, April 4, 2022 at 2:03:40 PM UTC+10, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Mon, 04 Apr 2022 04:43:33 +0100, Anthony William Sloman <bill....@ieee.org> wrote:
    On Monday, April 4, 2022 at 10:30:16 AM UTC+10, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Sun, 03 Apr 2022 09:45:54 +0100, Anthony William Sloman <bill....@ieee.org> wrote:
    On Sunday, April 3, 2022 at 2:57:15 PM UTC+10, Commander Kinsey wrote: >> >> On Sat, 02 Apr 2022 06:42:02 +0100, Anthony William Sloman <bill....@ieee.org> wrote:
    On Saturday, April 2, 2022 at 1:36:45 PM UTC+11, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Sat, 02 Apr 2022 03:22:44 +0100, Anthony William Sloman <bill....@ieee.org> wrote:

    <snip>

    Masks aren't anything like perfect. They make it less likely that you will infect anybody else (if you happen to be infected and you won't know that since you are infectious before you show symptoms), They also make less likely that you will get
    exposed to the virus if somebody else is infected. They catch some of the virus loaded droplets, but can't catch all of them.

    Then you can wear two so I don't have to wear one.

    It doesn't work that way. You are clearly too stupid to understand why, so I won't bother spelling it out.

    The National Health Service doesn't take you money or your house, unlike it's US equivalents, where getting sick is the most likely route to bankruptcy. Aged care homes aren't cheerful places, but good health care keeps you out of them for longer
    than bad and over-priced health care.

    WRONG. My grandmother was in a care home for 2-3 years and half her house value was taken.

    But that wasn't done by the NHS. How you mother' care was paid for is something you haven't told us - you presumably don't know, since you think the NHS was involved.
    There was no free care. She got free nursing and medication. But the housing and running of the place like cooking and cleaning had to be paid for out of her own money. It would have become free if she ran out of money, but half her life savings was
    gone in a couple of years.

    So it wasn't the NHS.

    <snip>

    Nobody sensible would have voted for a party lead by Boris Johnson. His personality defects are well known.
    His personality is great, he's more a normal person than a politician. And there's not much change in policy between him and Cameron. I vote for a party not a leader.

    You clearly aren't remotely sensible. His journalistic career ended when he was caught faking his quotes.

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2020/feb/23/boris-johnson-is-the-ultimate-purveyor-of-fake-news

    "There was the infamous fabrication of a quote in 1988 that resulted in his being sacked by the Times."

    Let Covid kill off the weak and useless. I've had no vaccinations and never wear a mask and have been in close contact with many people. I'm still here.

    What a pity. You don't deserve to be.

    By who's ruling? God?

    Just my opinion. God - if he existed - could make the point more directly.

    Your opinion is wrong. Evolution must be allowed to take place.

    It is taking place - you wont wear a mask or get vaccinated. Human beings have been selected for resistance to infectious disease since started living in towns, but the selection is only effective when it takes out people who will go on to reproduce.
    Killing of the elderly - which is what Covid19 is best at isn't applying any direct selective pressure at all.

    It reduces the burden on society.

    It also gets rid of people who can still make a contribution. You don't seem to be one of them.

    and if you had caught the infection, not noticed,

    What, you mean it can actually be so mild it doesn't hurt? And yet you still worry about it?!

    Something like 30% of Covid-19 infections are asymptomatic. It's higher if you have been vaccinated against it. And even without symptoms you can have a high enough viral load to infect other people. In fact the asmptomatic seem to have as high a
    viral load as people who go on to show symptoms.

    They don't have it for all that long, so it is worth getting vaccinated, and the vaccinated are less likely to get infected at all, so it pays off for everybody else as well

    The vaccinated are also less likely to have symptoms, as you just pointed out, so more likely to pass it on unknowingly.

    Pretty much everybody passes it on unknowingly. You are infectious before you show symptoms, and because you haven't retreated to your bed at that point, you are a lot more likely to pass on the disease at that early stage.

    But if I never get symptoms, or just some mild ones I think are a cold,

    An aged care worker - who ended up giving fatal doses of Covid-19 to some of the elderly people she worked with went to work with a "scratchy throat". Bad mistake.

    I will continue to mix with people when I would have been in bed. Why do you think they tell people with symptoms to self isolate?

    It makes them less likely to pass on the infection - which is to say to maintain the epidemic.

    Anyway, since the stats from a Canadian hospital through a freedom of information request showed 83% of people admitted (so that's with serious symptoms) had been vaccinated, it's fucking useless.

    You didn't look at enough statistics, and probably didn't understand what you did look at. Vaccination does help a lot. It boosts your immune system, and the elderly immune system isn't up to much, so it doesn't stop elderly victims getting sick and
    dying, but fewer - even of them - get infected if they've been vaccinated or go on to need intensive care or end up dying.

    83% speaks for itself.

    If 90% of the population has been vaccinated - and it tends to be higher than that for elderly people - some of the people who end up getting infected have to be drawn from that population.

    https://health-infobase.canada.ca/covid-19/vaccination-coverage/

    About 97.05% of the 80 and older in Canada have been fully vaccinated, so the 3% of them who haven't been vaccinated were responsibly for 17% of the hospital admissions. Getting vaccinated does seem to have been a good idea, even if it doesn't provide
    complete protection.

    toughed it out, and infected a whole lot of other people (killing some of them).

    It's called evolution. Live with it (or not).

    Nobody sane calls endangering other people "evolution".

    It's not endangering the tougher ones. If I drive dangerously, I could kill anybody. If I cough over someone, I can only kill the weak, which is what evolution is all about.

    Evolution is about killing off people before they can reproduce. Covid-19 mostly kills of the elderly, who weren't going to reproduce.

    Plenty reproducible people die off.

    But the ones who are past reproduction aren't involved in evolution, and it is them who are doing most of the dying.

    you would still be posting the same dangerous nonsense.

    Dangerous ROTFPMSL! I bet you wear a seatbelt too, just in case. You were beaten up at school weren't you?

    Even if you are too stupid to realise how much of a menace you are, you are still a menace.

    I was a menace at school. I wonder if you were one of the poor little "victims"?

    Far from it. I was a menace to people like you, because I could and did hit back, but most of the time I was bookish, short-sighted and friendly kid with a thoroughly nasty straight right (which I didn't like using because the target's teeth tended
    to graze my knuckles).

    Nobody ever menaced me, and I didn't have your pansy training.

    Not that you noticed. And what training I got wasn't "pansy" - it was just play.

    I wear a seat-belt when I'm in a car. I've not had any advantage from it yet, but that doesn't mean that it is a bad idea.

    Yes it does. It means every single time you put it on you were wasting your time.

    But the payoff when you needed to do it can be remarkably large. Your problem is simple stupidity.
    The payoff for buying a lottery ticket every day can be large, but it will probably never exist.

    Anyway, seat-belts can actually make a crash worse.

    Hardly ever.

    Not being able to escape, not being thrown from the vehicle away from danger, etc.

    That can happen, but being thrown from a car is more likely to get you killed than it is to get you out of trouble . and being thrown around in car can damage you enough to stop you getting out of it when it has caught on fire.

    I didn't get beaten up at school - I got taught to box at an early age, >>
    Ah, the weak ones always take up karate etc to make up for being inferior.

    I didn't take it up. One of our neighbours used to shadow box with me when I was very young, and the habits he inculcated stuck. I did find it a bit odd when I found out that I knew the moves when I needed them, but it did prove very handy. I've
    always had relatively quick response times, which may have helped.

    Response time is very helpful. Have you looked up the response time the highway code says drivers have? Now measure yours, it will be a tiny fraction of it.

    There are lots of different response times. They all decline with age - the last time one of mine was measured - when I was about 70 - it was in the young adult range.

    and nobody started in on that that twice. We did discourage a few people who had ambitions in that direction - we didn't do enough damage to give the teachers anything to notice, but the discouragement was effective.

    I hospitalised someone. He didn't grass.

    He should have done. Group loyalty is one thing, but your putting a kid into hospital means that you should have got treatment - not that the kind of psychopath you seem to be is all that susceptible to treatment.

    He started it. And he was a friend, and remained so.

    He's got poor judgement, then. One feral idiot in my class in school whose desk was behind mine tried to hit me with a ruler from his desk, and I was able to pivot fast enough to kick his extended elbow. The damage took three weeks to heal. His nasty
    habits persisted into later life, and he got himself kicked in the head while playing Australian Rules football - which does happen unintentionally from time to time - when he was around 18 and he died from it a few months later. Few tears were shed.

    The only other trick I played on him was when he - in his role as a class prefect - told me to get out of the library, because it was about to become a c;ass=room, and was unnecessarily rude about it. I did as I was told, but picked him up along with my
    books, and took him out of the library with me. The other kids found it funny. He was bit baffled by it.

    --
    Bill Sloman, Sydney

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  • From Commander Kinsey@21:1/5 to Anthony William Sloman on Mon Apr 4 07:16:24 2022
    On Mon, 04 Apr 2022 06:49:10 +0100, Anthony William Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> wrote:

    On Monday, April 4, 2022 at 2:03:40 PM UTC+10, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Mon, 04 Apr 2022 04:43:33 +0100, Anthony William Sloman <bill....@ieee.org> wrote:
    On Monday, April 4, 2022 at 10:30:16 AM UTC+10, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Sun, 03 Apr 2022 09:45:54 +0100, Anthony William Sloman <bill....@ieee.org> wrote:
    On Sunday, April 3, 2022 at 2:57:15 PM UTC+10, Commander Kinsey wrote: >> >> >> On Sat, 02 Apr 2022 06:42:02 +0100, Anthony William Sloman <bill....@ieee.org> wrote:
    On Saturday, April 2, 2022 at 1:36:45 PM UTC+11, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Sat, 02 Apr 2022 03:22:44 +0100, Anthony William Sloman <bill....@ieee.org> wrote:

    <snip>

    Masks aren't anything like perfect. They make it less likely that you will infect anybody else (if you happen to be infected and you won't know that since you are infectious before you show symptoms), They also make less likely that you will get
    exposed to the virus if somebody else is infected. They catch some of the virus loaded droplets, but can't catch all of them.

    Then you can wear two so I don't have to wear one.

    It doesn't work that way. You are clearly too stupid to understand why, so I won't bother spelling it out.

    1+1 = 2 duh.

    The National Health Service doesn't take you money or your house, unlike it's US equivalents, where getting sick is the most likely route to bankruptcy. Aged care homes aren't cheerful places, but good health care keeps you out of them for longer
    than bad and over-priced health care.

    WRONG. My grandmother was in a care home for 2-3 years and half her house value was taken.

    But that wasn't done by the NHS. How you mother' care was paid for is something you haven't told us - you presumably don't know, since you think the NHS was involved.
    There was no free care. She got free nursing and medication. But the housing and running of the place like cooking and cleaning had to be paid for out of her own money. It would have become free if she ran out of money, but half her life savings was
    gone in a couple of years.

    So it wasn't the NHS.

    There are no NHS care homes, only NHS nursing within care homes.

    Nobody sensible would have voted for a party lead by Boris Johnson. His personality defects are well known.
    His personality is great, he's more a normal person than a politician. And there's not much change in policy between him and Cameron. I vote for a party not a leader.

    You clearly aren't remotely sensible. His journalistic career ended when he was caught faking his quotes.

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2020/feb/23/boris-johnson-is-the-ultimate-purveyor-of-fake-news

    "There was the infamous fabrication of a quote in 1988 that resulted in his being sacked by the Times."

    And how does this make him no good at being a politician? I bet you're one of those people who thinks Clinton was a rubbish politician because he got a blowjob.

    Let Covid kill off the weak and useless. I've had no vaccinations and never wear a mask and have been in close contact with many people. I'm still here.

    What a pity. You don't deserve to be.

    By who's ruling? God?

    Just my opinion. God - if he existed - could make the point more directly.

    Your opinion is wrong. Evolution must be allowed to take place.

    It is taking place - you wont wear a mask or get vaccinated. Human beings have been selected for resistance to infectious disease since started living in towns, but the selection is only effective when it takes out people who will go on to reproduce.
    Killing of the elderly - which is what Covid19 is best at isn't applying any direct selective pressure at all.

    It reduces the burden on society.

    It also gets rid of people who can still make a contribution. You don't seem to be one of them.

    If you can contribute, you're young enough to make babies.

    and if you had caught the infection, not noticed,

    What, you mean it can actually be so mild it doesn't hurt? And yet you still worry about it?!

    Something like 30% of Covid-19 infections are asymptomatic. It's higher if you have been vaccinated against it. And even without symptoms you can have a high enough viral load to infect other people. In fact the asmptomatic seem to have as high a
    viral load as people who go on to show symptoms.

    They don't have it for all that long, so it is worth getting vaccinated, and the vaccinated are less likely to get infected at all, so it pays off for everybody else as well

    The vaccinated are also less likely to have symptoms, as you just pointed out, so more likely to pass it on unknowingly.

    Pretty much everybody passes it on unknowingly. You are infectious before you show symptoms, and because you haven't retreated to your bed at that point, you are a lot more likely to pass on the disease at that early stage.

    But if I never get symptoms, or just some mild ones I think are a cold,

    An aged care worker - who ended up giving fatal doses of Covid-19 to some of the elderly people she worked with went to work with a "scratchy throat". Bad mistake.

    Was she vaccinated?

    To be fair a scratchy throat is a common ailment.

    I will continue to mix with people when I would have been in bed. Why do you think they tell people with symptoms to self isolate?

    It makes them less likely to pass on the infection - which is to say to maintain the epidemic.

    So you admit that after you get symptoms you can pass it on, we're getting there. Now consider your vaccination is hiding those symptoms from you.

    Anyway, since the stats from a Canadian hospital through a freedom of information request showed 83% of people admitted (so that's with serious symptoms) had been vaccinated, it's fucking useless.

    You didn't look at enough statistics, and probably didn't understand what you did look at. Vaccination does help a lot. It boosts your immune system, and the elderly immune system isn't up to much, so it doesn't stop elderly victims getting sick and
    dying, but fewer - even of them - get infected if they've been vaccinated or go on to need intensive care or end up dying.

    83% speaks for itself.

    If 90% of the population has been vaccinated - and it tends to be higher than that for elderly people - some of the people who end up getting infected have to be drawn from that population.

    Assuming your 90% is correct....

    If the vaccine was 100% effective, 0% of the ill ones in hospital would have been vaccinated.

    If the vaccine was 50% effective, 82% of the ill ones in hospital would have been vaccinated.

    Sounds like it only works half the time, back to the drawing board.

    https://health-infobase.canada.ca/covid-19/vaccination-coverage/

    About 97.05% of the 80 and older in Canada have been fully vaccinated, so the 3% of them who haven't been vaccinated were responsibly for 17% of the hospital admissions. Getting vaccinated does seem to have been a good idea, even if it doesn't provide
    complete protection.

    That's like saying carrying a pocket knife will help you against a tiger attack. Maybe a little bit.

    toughed it out, and infected a whole lot of other people (killing some of them).

    It's called evolution. Live with it (or not).

    Nobody sane calls endangering other people "evolution".

    It's not endangering the tougher ones. If I drive dangerously, I could kill anybody. If I cough over someone, I can only kill the weak, which is what evolution is all about.

    Evolution is about killing off people before they can reproduce. Covid-19 mostly kills of the elderly, who weren't going to reproduce.

    Plenty reproducible people die off.

    But the ones who are past reproduction aren't involved in evolution, and it is them who are doing most of the dying.

    But consider the some of the dying.

    you would still be posting the same dangerous nonsense.

    Dangerous ROTFPMSL! I bet you wear a seatbelt too, just in case. You were beaten up at school weren't you?

    Even if you are too stupid to realise how much of a menace you are, you are still a menace.

    I was a menace at school. I wonder if you were one of the poor little "victims"?

    Far from it. I was a menace to people like you, because I could and did hit back, but most of the time I was bookish, short-sighted and friendly kid with a thoroughly nasty straight right (which I didn't like using because the target's teeth tended
    to graze my knuckles).

    Nobody ever menaced me, and I didn't have your pansy training.

    Not that you noticed.

    I would have noticed people menacing me, and I would have noticed me being trained, whichever you meant.

    And what training I got wasn't "pansy" - it was just play.

    Boxing. It's a self defence lesson, or can be used as such.

    I wear a seat-belt when I'm in a car. I've not had any advantage from it yet, but that doesn't mean that it is a bad idea.

    Yes it does. It means every single time you put it on you were wasting your time.

    But the payoff when you needed to do it can be remarkably large. Your problem is simple stupidity.
    The payoff for buying a lottery ticket every day can be large, but it will probably never exist.

    Anyway, seat-belts can actually make a crash worse.

    Hardly ever.

    Hardly ever is also a term I apply to a nasty crash in the first place.

    Not being able to escape, not being thrown from the vehicle away from danger, etc.

    That can happen, but being thrown from a car is more likely to get you killed than it is to get you out of trouble . and being thrown around in car can damage you enough to stop you getting out of it when it has caught on fire.

    I'm not going to take a precaution which can backfire. Airbags can also be lethal, hence the stickers warning about breaking babies necks, smashing up babies in a pregnant woman etc. Those things are not what I want hitting me in the face.

    I didn't get beaten up at school - I got taught to box at an early age, >> >>
    Ah, the weak ones always take up karate etc to make up for being inferior.

    I didn't take it up. One of our neighbours used to shadow box with me when I was very young, and the habits he inculcated stuck. I did find it a bit odd when I found out that I knew the moves when I needed them, but it did prove very handy. I've
    always had relatively quick response times, which may have helped.

    Response time is very helpful. Have you looked up the response time the highway code says drivers have? Now measure yours, it will be a tiny fraction of it.

    There are lots of different response times. They all decline with age - the last time one of mine was measured - when I was about 70 - it was in the young adult range.

    The response time in the highway code is ridiculous, for any age.

    and nobody started in on that that twice. We did discourage a few people who had ambitions in that direction - we didn't do enough damage to give the teachers anything to notice, but the discouragement was effective.

    I hospitalised someone. He didn't grass.

    He should have done. Group loyalty is one thing, but your putting a kid into hospital means that you should have got treatment - not that the kind of psychopath you seem to be is all that susceptible to treatment.

    He started it. And he was a friend, and remained so.

    He's got poor judgement, then.

    No he doesn't, that was the only time we disagreed.

    One feral idiot in my class in school whose desk was behind mine tried to hit me with a ruler from his desk, and I was able to pivot fast enough to kick his extended elbow. The damage took three weeks to heal.

    An unacceptable level of self defence. When I was hit by something I just told him to fuck off, very loudly. The teacher thought it was hilarious. Then again she was a pretty cool English teacher who selected risqu texts to read, and thoroughly
    enjoyed reading the sexual parts herself, putting a lot of effort into her tone of voice.

    His nasty habits persisted into later life, and he got himself kicked in the head while playing Australian Rules football - which does happen unintentionally from time to time - when he was around 18 and he died from it a few months later. Few tears
    were shed.

    The only other trick I played on him was when he - in his role as a class prefect - told me to get out of the library, because it was about to become a c;ass=room, and was unnecessarily rude about it. I did as I was told, but picked him up along with
    my books, and took him out of the library with me. The other kids found it funny. He was bit baffled by it.

    ROFL!

    I think the only time I picked someone up was in 6th year (that's year 13 in America and maybe Australia) in the common room, which was actually the upper level of the theatre. Somebody removed the aerial from my stereo I'd donated for the year for
    music at lunchtime) and dropped it over the balcony. I hung him over the edge and told him to get it, knowing full well it was a few more metres and he couldn't. Scared the shit out of him. When I pulled him back up he climbed down and got it.

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  • From Anthony William Sloman@21:1/5 to Commander Kinsey on Mon Apr 4 01:08:54 2022
    On Monday, April 4, 2022 at 4:16:33 PM UTC+10, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Mon, 04 Apr 2022 06:49:10 +0100, Anthony William Sloman <bill....@ieee.org> wrote:

    On Monday, April 4, 2022 at 2:03:40 PM UTC+10, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Mon, 04 Apr 2022 04:43:33 +0100, Anthony William Sloman <bill....@ieee.org> wrote:
    On Monday, April 4, 2022 at 10:30:16 AM UTC+10, Commander Kinsey wrote: >> >> On Sun, 03 Apr 2022 09:45:54 +0100, Anthony William Sloman <bill....@ieee.org> wrote:
    On Sunday, April 3, 2022 at 2:57:15 PM UTC+10, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Sat, 02 Apr 2022 06:42:02 +0100, Anthony William Sloman <bill....@ieee.org> wrote:
    On Saturday, April 2, 2022 at 1:36:45 PM UTC+11, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Sat, 02 Apr 2022 03:22:44 +0100, Anthony William Sloman <bill....@ieee.org> wrote:

    <snip>

    Masks aren't anything like perfect. They make it less likely that you will infect anybody else (if you happen to be infected and you won't know that since you are infectious before you show symptoms), They also make less likely that you will get
    exposed to the virus if somebody else is infected. They catch some of the virus loaded droplets, but can't catch all of them.

    Then you can wear two so I don't have to wear one.

    It doesn't work that way. You are clearly too stupid to understand why, so I won't bother spelling it out.
    1+1 = 2 duh.

    Except when it doesn't. Wearing two masks isn't anything like twice as effective as wearing one.

    The National Health Service doesn't take you money or your house, unlike it's US equivalents, where getting sick is the most likely route to bankruptcy. Aged care homes aren't cheerful places, but good health care keeps you out of them for
    longer than bad and over-priced health care.

    WRONG. My grandmother was in a care home for 2-3 years and half her house value was taken.

    But that wasn't done by the NHS. How you mother' care was paid for is something you haven't told us - you presumably don't know, since you think the NHS was involved.

    There was no free care. She got free nursing and medication. But the housing and running of the place like cooking and cleaning had to be paid for out of her own money. It would have become free if she ran out of money, but half her life savings was
    gone in a couple of years.

    So it wasn't the NHS.

    There are no NHS care homes, only NHS nursing within care homes.

    So it wasn't the NHS that got the money.

    Nobody sensible would have voted for a party lead by Boris Johnson. His personality defects are well known.
    His personality is great, he's more a normal person than a politician. And there's not much change in policy between him and Cameron. I vote for a party not a leader.

    You clearly aren't remotely sensible. His journalistic career ended when he was caught faking his quotes.

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2020/feb/23/boris-johnson-is-the-ultimate-purveyor-of-fake-news

    "There was the infamous fabrication of a quote in 1988 that resulted in his being sacked by the Times."

    And how does this make him no good at being a politician?

    If you can't work that out, there's no point in trying to tell you.

    I bet you're one of those people who thinks Clinton was a rubbish politician because he got a blowjob.

    Wrong. He was a remarkably competent politician. Boris Johnson isn't.

    Let Covid kill off the weak and useless. I've had no vaccinations and never wear a mask and have been in close contact with many people. I'm still here.

    What a pity. You don't deserve to be.

    By who's ruling? God?

    Just my opinion. God - if he existed - could make the point more directly.

    Your opinion is wrong. Evolution must be allowed to take place.

    It is taking place - you wont wear a mask or get vaccinated. Human beings have been selected for resistance to infectious disease since started living in towns, but the selection is only effective when it takes out people who will go on to
    reproduce. Killing of the elderly - which is what Covid19 is best at isn't applying any direct selective pressure at all.

    It reduces the burden on society.

    It also gets rid of people who can still make a contribution. You don't seem to be one of them.

    If you can contribute, you're young enough to make babies.

    But not necessarily to raise them until they can start making their own.

    and if you had caught the infection, not noticed,

    What, you mean it can actually be so mild it doesn't hurt? And yet you still worry about it?!

    Something like 30% of Covid-19 infections are asymptomatic. It's higher if you have been vaccinated against it. And even without symptoms you can have a high enough viral load to infect other people. In fact the asmptomatic seem to have as high
    a viral load as people who go on to show symptoms.

    They don't have it for all that long, so it is worth getting vaccinated, and the vaccinated are less likely to get infected at all, so it pays off for everybody else as well

    The vaccinated are also less likely to have symptoms, as you just pointed out, so more likely to pass it on unknowingly.

    Pretty much everybody passes it on unknowingly. You are infectious before you show symptoms, and because you haven't retreated to your bed at that point, you are a lot more likely to pass on the disease at that early stage.

    But if I never get symptoms, or just some mild ones I think are a cold,

    An aged care worker - who ended up giving fatal doses of Covid-19 to some of the elderly people she worked with went to work with a "scratchy throat". Bad mistake.

    Was she vaccinated?

    Probably not. It was early in the epidemic.

    To be fair a scratchy throat is a common ailment.

    It got to be a lot less common when Covid-19 hit. All the other infectious diseases got a lot less common at that point. Seasonal flu pretty much vanished.

    I will continue to mix with people when I would have been in bed. Why do you think they tell people with symptoms to self isolate?

    It makes them less likely to pass on the infection - which is to say to maintain the epidemic.

    So you admit that after you get symptoms you can pass it on, we're getting there. Now consider your vaccination is hiding those symptoms from you.

    I've explicitly considered it above. You do seem to be an idiot ty not to advertise the fact.

    Anyway, since the stats from a Canadian hospital through a freedom of information request showed 83% of people admitted (so that's with serious symptoms) had been vaccinated, it's fucking useless.

    You didn't look at enough statistics, and probably didn't understand what you did look at. Vaccination does help a lot. It boosts your immune system, and the elderly immune system isn't up to much, so it doesn't stop elderly victims getting sick
    and dying, but fewer - even of them - get infected if they've been vaccinated or go on to need intensive care or end up dying.

    83% speaks for itself.

    If 90% of the population has been vaccinated - and it tends to be higher than that for elderly people - some of the people who end up getting infected have to be drawn from that population.
    Assuming your 90% is correct....

    If the vaccine was 100% effective, 0% of the ill ones in hospital would have been vaccinated.

    If the vaccine was 50% effective, 82% of the ill ones in hospital would have been vaccinated.

    Sounds like it only works half the time, back to the drawing board.

    https://health-infobase.canada.ca/covid-19/vaccination-coverage/

    About 97.05% of the 80 and older in Canada have been fully vaccinated, so the 3% of them who haven't been vaccinated were responsibly for 17% of the hospital admissions. Getting vaccinated does seem to have been a good idea, even if it doesn't
    provide complete protection.

    That's like saying carrying a pocket knife will help you against a tiger attack. Maybe a little bit.

    A five to one reduction in your chance of getting infected is rather better than the advantage you'd get from having a pocket knife when a tiger showed up.

    toughed it out, and infected a whole lot of other people (killing some of them).

    It's called evolution. Live with it (or not).

    Nobody sane calls endangering other people "evolution".

    It's not endangering the tougher ones. If I drive dangerously, I could kill anybody. If I cough over someone, I can only kill the weak, which is what evolution is all about.

    Evolution is about killing off people before they can reproduce. Covid-19 mostly kills of the elderly, who weren't going to reproduce.

    Plenty reproducible people die off.

    But the ones who are past reproduction aren't involved in evolution, and it is them who are doing most of the dying.

    But consider the some of the dying.

    Why ?

    you would still be posting the same dangerous nonsense.

    Dangerous ROTFPMSL! I bet you wear a seatbelt too, just in case. You were beaten up at school weren't you?

    Even if you are too stupid to realise how much of a menace you are, you are still a menace.

    I was a menace at school. I wonder if you were one of the poor little "victims"?

    Far from it. I was a menace to people like you, because I could and did hit back, but most of the time I was bookish, short-sighted and friendly kid with a thoroughly nasty straight right (which I didn't like using because the target's teeth
    tended to graze my knuckles).

    Nobody ever menaced me, and I didn't have your pansy training.

    Not that you noticed.

    I would have noticed people menacing me, and I would have noticed me being trained, whichever you meant.
    And what training I got wasn't "pansy" - it was just play.

    Boxing. It's a self defence lesson, or can be used as such.

    It did turn out to be,

    I wear a seat-belt when I'm in a car. I've not had any advantage from it yet, but that doesn't mean that it is a bad idea.

    Yes it does. It means every single time you put it on you were wasting your time.

    But the payoff when you needed to do it can be remarkably large. Your problem is simple stupidity.

    The payoff for buying a lottery ticket every day can be large, but it will probably never exist.

    Anyway, seat-belts can actually make a crash worse.

    Hardly ever.

    Hardly ever is also a term I apply to a nasty crash in the first place.

    You don't go in for quantitative thinking. It's probably not skill set that you could master, even if you wanted to.

    Not being able to escape, not being thrown from the vehicle away from danger, etc.

    That can happen, but being thrown from a car is more likely to get you killed than it is to get you out of trouble . and being thrown around in car can damage you enough to stop you getting out of it when it has caught on fire.

    I'm not going to take a precaution which can backfire.

    You are the kind of idiot who can't do quantitatitve thinking.

    Airbags can also be lethal, hence the stickers warning about breaking babies necks, smashing up babies in a pregnant woman etc. Those things are not what I want hitting me in the face.

    But they are rather more likely to save your life when they do deploy.

    I didn't get beaten up at school - I got taught to box at an early age,

    Ah, the weak ones always take up karate etc to make up for being inferior.

    I didn't take it up. One of our neighbours used to shadow box with me when I was very young, and the habits he inculcated stuck. I did find it a bit odd when I found out that I knew the moves when I needed them, but it did prove very handy. I've
    always had relatively quick response times, which may have helped.

    Response time is very helpful. Have you looked up the response time the highway code says drivers have? Now measure yours, it will be a tiny fraction of it.

    There are lots of different response times. They all decline with age - the last time one of mine was measured - when I was about 70 - it was in the young adult range.

    The response time in the highway code is ridiculous, for any age.

    What's that got to do with anything?

    and nobody started in on that that twice. We did discourage a few people who had ambitions in that direction - we didn't do enough damage to give the teachers anything to notice, but the discouragement was effective.

    I hospitalised someone. He didn't grass.

    He should have done. Group loyalty is one thing, but your putting a kid into hospital means that you should have got treatment - not that the kind of psychopath you seem to be is all that susceptible to treatment.

    He started it. And he was a friend, and remained so.

    He's got poor judgement, then.

    No he doesn't, that was the only time we disagreed.

    Even worse judgement than I first thought.

    One feral idiot in my class in school whose desk was behind mine tried to hit me with a ruler from his desk, and I was able to pivot fast enough to kick his extended elbow. The damage took three weeks to heal.

    An unacceptable level of self defense.

    It wasn't self defense. It was equal parts of revenge and discouragement, and it worked a treat.

    When I was hit by something I just told him to fuck off, very loudly. The teacher thought it was hilarious. Then again she was a pretty cool English teacher who selected risqué texts to read, and thoroughly enjoyed reading the sexual parts herself,
    putting a lot of effort into her tone of voice.

    That isn't "cool". It's just foolish.

    <snip>

    --
    Bill Sloman, Sydney

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  • From whit3rd@21:1/5 to Commander Kinsey on Mon Apr 4 21:06:12 2022
    On Sunday, April 3, 2022 at 5:04:29 PM UTC-7, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Sun, 03 Apr 2022 08:56:14 +0100, Anthony William Sloman <bill....@ieee.org> wrote:

    On Sunday, April 3, 2022 at 1:24:40 PM UTC+10, Commander Kinsey wrote:

    Bullshit. If the kids are clever, it's because they got the clever genes from their parents, which means their parents will be rich too.

    It doesn't work that way. You might read "Blueprint" by Robert Plombin to get some idea of how it does work.

    https://www.amazon.com/Blueprint-How-DNA-Makes-Press/dp/0262039168
    I know how it works from experience and how genetics works. You pass on everything - intelligence, height, health, etc.

    That's not knowledge, it's prejudice. Inheritance does NOT pass on all the phenotype of
    parents to their offspring. Genetics wasn't your strong subject, I suspect.

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  • From Commander Kinsey@21:1/5 to Anthony William Sloman on Tue Apr 5 05:16:20 2022
    On Mon, 04 Apr 2022 09:08:54 +0100, Anthony William Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> wrote:

    On Monday, April 4, 2022 at 4:16:33 PM UTC+10, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Mon, 04 Apr 2022 06:49:10 +0100, Anthony William Sloman <bill....@ieee.org> wrote:

    On Monday, April 4, 2022 at 2:03:40 PM UTC+10, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Mon, 04 Apr 2022 04:43:33 +0100, Anthony William Sloman <bill....@ieee.org> wrote:
    On Monday, April 4, 2022 at 10:30:16 AM UTC+10, Commander Kinsey wrote: >> >> >> On Sun, 03 Apr 2022 09:45:54 +0100, Anthony William Sloman <bill....@ieee.org> wrote:
    On Sunday, April 3, 2022 at 2:57:15 PM UTC+10, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Sat, 02 Apr 2022 06:42:02 +0100, Anthony William Sloman <bill....@ieee.org> wrote:
    On Saturday, April 2, 2022 at 1:36:45 PM UTC+11, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Sat, 02 Apr 2022 03:22:44 +0100, Anthony William Sloman <bill....@ieee.org> wrote:

    <snip>

    Masks aren't anything like perfect. They make it less likely that you will infect anybody else (if you happen to be infected and you won't know that since you are infectious before you show symptoms), They also make less likely that you will get
    exposed to the virus if somebody else is infected. They catch some of the virus loaded droplets, but can't catch all of them.

    Then you can wear two so I don't have to wear one.

    It doesn't work that way. You are clearly too stupid to understand why, so I won't bother spelling it out.
    1+1 = 2 duh.

    Except when it doesn't. Wearing two masks isn't anything like twice as effective as wearing one.

    And yet you think it's more effective for me and you to both wear one.

    The National Health Service doesn't take you money or your house, unlike it's US equivalents, where getting sick is the most likely route to bankruptcy. Aged care homes aren't cheerful places, but good health care keeps you out of them for
    longer than bad and over-priced health care.

    WRONG. My grandmother was in a care home for 2-3 years and half her house value was taken.

    But that wasn't done by the NHS. How you mother' care was paid for is something you haven't told us - you presumably don't know, since you think the NHS was involved.

    There was no free care. She got free nursing and medication. But the housing and running of the place like cooking and cleaning had to be paid for out of her own money. It would have become free if she ran out of money, but half her life savings
    was gone in a couple of years.

    So it wasn't the NHS.

    There are no NHS care homes, only NHS nursing within care homes.

    So it wasn't the NHS that got the money.

    Who cares? The point is the NHS is pointless. When you get old and sick, they don't take care of you.

    I lost a tooth, the NHS won't pay unless I make up something about being in a fight or car accident.

    Nobody sensible would have voted for a party lead by Boris Johnson. His personality defects are well known.
    His personality is great, he's more a normal person than a politician. And there's not much change in policy between him and Cameron. I vote for a party not a leader.

    You clearly aren't remotely sensible. His journalistic career ended when he was caught faking his quotes.

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2020/feb/23/boris-johnson-is-the-ultimate-purveyor-of-fake-news

    "There was the infamous fabrication of a quote in 1988 that resulted in his being sacked by the Times."

    And how does this make him no good at being a politician?

    If you can't work that out, there's no point in trying to tell you.

    I'm a shit mechanic, does that also make me a shit baker?

    I bet you're one of those people who thinks Clinton was a rubbish politician because he got a blowjob.

    Wrong. He was a remarkably competent politician. Boris Johnson isn't.

    Thanks for agreeing with my point, what he did to Lewinsky was irrelevant to his political abilities, just as Boris's journalism is nothing to do with his political abilities.

    Let Covid kill off the weak and useless. I've had no vaccinations and never wear a mask and have been in close contact with many people. I'm still here.

    What a pity. You don't deserve to be.

    By who's ruling? God?

    Just my opinion. God - if he existed - could make the point more directly.

    Your opinion is wrong. Evolution must be allowed to take place.

    It is taking place - you wont wear a mask or get vaccinated. Human beings have been selected for resistance to infectious disease since started living in towns, but the selection is only effective when it takes out people who will go on to
    reproduce. Killing of the elderly - which is what Covid19 is best at isn't applying any direct selective pressure at all.

    It reduces the burden on society.

    It also gets rid of people who can still make a contribution. You don't seem to be one of them.

    If you can contribute, you're young enough to make babies.

    But not necessarily to raise them until they can start making their own.

    WTF? Covid starts killing off in the 40s. My sister had babies in her 40s.

    and if you had caught the infection, not noticed,

    What, you mean it can actually be so mild it doesn't hurt? And yet you still worry about it?!

    Something like 30% of Covid-19 infections are asymptomatic. It's higher if you have been vaccinated against it. And even without symptoms you can have a high enough viral load to infect other people. In fact the asmptomatic seem to have as
    high a viral load as people who go on to show symptoms.

    They don't have it for all that long, so it is worth getting vaccinated, and the vaccinated are less likely to get infected at all, so it pays off for everybody else as well

    The vaccinated are also less likely to have symptoms, as you just pointed out, so more likely to pass it on unknowingly.

    Pretty much everybody passes it on unknowingly. You are infectious before you show symptoms, and because you haven't retreated to your bed at that point, you are a lot more likely to pass on the disease at that early stage.

    But if I never get symptoms, or just some mild ones I think are a cold, >> >
    An aged care worker - who ended up giving fatal doses of Covid-19 to some of the elderly people she worked with went to work with a "scratchy throat". Bad mistake.

    Was she vaccinated?

    Probably not. It was early in the epidemic.

    And with vaccination she wouldn't even have had that scratchy throat, so even if she'd tried to be careful, she would have killed loads.

    To be fair a scratchy throat is a common ailment.

    It got to be a lot less common when Covid-19 hit. All the other infectious diseases got a lot less common at that point. Seasonal flu pretty much vanished.

    Yeah, covid attacked flu. Bollocks. Viruses live off larger beings.

    I will continue to mix with people when I would have been in bed. Why do you think they tell people with symptoms to self isolate?

    It makes them less likely to pass on the infection - which is to say to maintain the epidemic.

    So you admit that after you get symptoms you can pass it on, we're getting there. Now consider your vaccination is hiding those symptoms from you.

    I've explicitly considered it above. You do seem to be an idiot ty not to advertise the fact.

    I see no evidence of this. I'll make it simple for you:
    Mr Smith is not vaccinated, he gets covid, he goes to bed. He maybe met a few folk before he felt ill.
    Mr Jones is vaccinated, he gets covid, he feels a little off, so meets more people before deciding to isolate.
    Mr Foster is vaccinated and gets no symptoms, and meets hundred of people. He kills a shitload of them. The vaccine caused these deaths.

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  • From Commander Kinsey@21:1/5 to whit3rd@gmail.com on Tue Apr 5 05:17:28 2022
    On Tue, 05 Apr 2022 05:06:12 +0100, whit3rd <whit3rd@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Sunday, April 3, 2022 at 5:04:29 PM UTC-7, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Sun, 03 Apr 2022 08:56:14 +0100, Anthony William Sloman <bill....@ieee.org> wrote:

    On Sunday, April 3, 2022 at 1:24:40 PM UTC+10, Commander Kinsey wrote:

    Bullshit. If the kids are clever, it's because they got the clever genes from their parents, which means their parents will be rich too.

    It doesn't work that way. You might read "Blueprint" by Robert Plombin to get some idea of how it does work.

    https://www.amazon.com/Blueprint-How-DNA-Makes-Press/dp/0262039168
    I know how it works from experience and how genetics works. You pass on everything - intelligence, height, health, etc.

    That's not knowledge, it's prejudice. Inheritance does NOT pass on all the phenotype of
    parents to their offspring. Genetics wasn't your strong subject, I suspect.

    It passes on more than you think. It's even been shown you can pass on things you've created after you were born. For example an athlete who trains a lot passes on that extra ability to his kids.

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  • From Anthony William Sloman@21:1/5 to Commander Kinsey on Mon Apr 4 22:11:29 2022
    On Tuesday, April 5, 2022 at 2:17:35 PM UTC+10, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Tue, 05 Apr 2022 05:06:12 +0100, whit3rd <whi...@gmail.com> wrote:
    On Sunday, April 3, 2022 at 5:04:29 PM UTC-7, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Sun, 03 Apr 2022 08:56:14 +0100, Anthony William Sloman <bill....@ieee.org> wrote:
    On Sunday, April 3, 2022 at 1:24:40 PM UTC+10, Commander Kinsey wrote:

    Bullshit. If the kids are clever, it's because they got the clever genes from their parents, which means their parents will be rich too.

    It doesn't work that way. You might read "Blueprint" by Robert Plombin to get some idea of how it does work.

    https://www.amazon.com/Blueprint-How-DNA-Makes-Press/dp/0262039168
    I know how it works from experience and how genetics works. You pass on everything - intelligence, height, health, etc.

    That's not knowledge, it's prejudice. Inheritance does NOT pass on all the phenotype of parents to their offspring. Genetics wasn't your strong subject, I suspect.

    It passes on more than you think. It's even been shown you can pass on things you've created after you were born. For example an athlete who trains a lot passes on that extra ability to his kids.

    That's epigenetics. It doesn't get passed on to the grand-kids. Intellectual effort may change methylation levels in particular genes in the brain - not that I've ever seen any evidence suggesting that it might - but the brain is lot further from the
    gonads than the leg and hip muscles.

    If you could think you might be aware of this.

    --
    Bill Sloman, Sydney

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  • From Anthony William Sloman@21:1/5 to Commander Kinsey on Mon Apr 4 22:02:17 2022
    On Tuesday, April 5, 2022 at 2:16:30 PM UTC+10, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Mon, 04 Apr 2022 09:08:54 +0100, Anthony William Sloman <bill....@ieee.org> wrote:

    On Monday, April 4, 2022 at 4:16:33 PM UTC+10, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Mon, 04 Apr 2022 06:49:10 +0100, Anthony William Sloman <bill....@ieee.org> wrote:

    On Monday, April 4, 2022 at 2:03:40 PM UTC+10, Commander Kinsey wrote: >> >> On Mon, 04 Apr 2022 04:43:33 +0100, Anthony William Sloman <bill....@ieee.org> wrote:
    On Monday, April 4, 2022 at 10:30:16 AM UTC+10, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Sun, 03 Apr 2022 09:45:54 +0100, Anthony William Sloman <bill....@ieee.org> wrote:
    On Sunday, April 3, 2022 at 2:57:15 PM UTC+10, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Sat, 02 Apr 2022 06:42:02 +0100, Anthony William Sloman <bill....@ieee.org> wrote:
    On Saturday, April 2, 2022 at 1:36:45 PM UTC+11, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Sat, 02 Apr 2022 03:22:44 +0100, Anthony William Sloman <bill....@ieee.org> wrote:

    <snip>

    Masks aren't anything like perfect. They make it less likely that you will infect anybody else (if you happen to be infected and you won't know that since you are infectious before you show symptoms), They also make less likely that you will
    get exposed to the virus if somebody else is infected. They catch some of the virus loaded droplets, but can't catch all of them.

    Then you can wear two so I don't have to wear one.

    It doesn't work that way. You are clearly too stupid to understand why, so I won't bother spelling it out.
    1+1 = 2 duh.

    Except when it doesn't. Wearing two masks isn't anything like twice as effective as wearing one.

    And yet you think it's more effective for me and you to both wear one.

    It is.

    <snip>

    Who cares? The point is the NHS is pointless. When you get old and sick, they don't take care of you.

    If you get a curable disease, they will cure it. If you get an incurable disease they have palliative care centres.

    If you just can't look after yourself, that's not the kind of problem that they were set up to solve. That doesn't make them useless. It's a problem that calls for a different kind of solution, which British politicians have declined to tackle, which
    makes British politicians useless.

    I lost a tooth, the NHS won't pay unless I make up something about being in a fight or car accident.

    Dentistry is too much about vanity to make an insurance-based service all that practical. You can buy dental insurance, but it is hideously expensive.

    Nobody sensible would have voted for a party lead by Boris Johnson. His personality defects are well known.
    His personality is great, he's more a normal person than a politician. And there's not much change in policy between him and Cameron. I vote for a party not a leader.

    You clearly aren't remotely sensible. His journalistic career ended when he was caught faking his quotes.

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2020/feb/23/boris-johnson-is-the-ultimate-purveyor-of-fake-news

    "There was the infamous fabrication of a quote in 1988 that resulted in his being sacked by the Times."

    And how does this make him no good at being a politician?

    If you can't work that out, there's no point in trying to tell you.

    I'm a shit mechanic, does that also make me a shit baker?

    If you lie about what you are doing in one job, you will presumably lie about it in others. Boris has history there.

    I bet you're one of those people who thinks Clinton was a rubbish politician because he got a blowjob.

    Wrong. He was a remarkably competent politician. Boris Johnson isn't.

    Thanks for agreeing with my point, what he did to Lewinsky was irrelevant to his political abilities, just as Boris's journalism is nothing to do with his political abilities.

    What Bill Clinton did with Lewinsky didn't have anything to do with his political abilities. Politicians, like journalists, are in the business of telling people what they want to hear. A willingness to lie makes it easier to produce attractive stories,
    but has unfortunate side effects.

    Let Covid kill off the weak and useless. I've had no vaccinations and never wear a mask and have been in close contact with many people. I'm still here.

    What a pity. You don't deserve to be.

    By who's ruling? God?

    Just my opinion. God - if he existed - could make the point more directly.

    Your opinion is wrong. Evolution must be allowed to take place.

    It is taking place - you won't wear a mask or get vaccinated. Human beings have been selected for resistance to infectious disease since started living in towns, but the selection is only effective when it takes out people who will go on to
    reproduce. Killing of the elderly - which is what Covid19 is best at isn't applying any direct selective pressure at all.

    It reduces the burden on society.

    It also gets rid of people who can still make a contribution. You don't seem to be one of them.

    If you can contribute, you're young enough to make babies.

    But not necessarily to raise them until they can start making their own.

    WTF? Covid starts killing off in the 40s. My sister had babies in her 40s.

    Covid-19 recently killed a previously healthy baby here. It has killed people from every age group, but your risk of risk dying from it goes up quite fast with age and gets to be significant after you turn 50 and is worrying high high for me.

    and if you had caught the infection, not noticed,

    What, you mean it can actually be so mild it doesn't hurt? And yet you still worry about it?!

    Something like 30% of Covid-19 infections are asymptomatic. It's higher if you have been vaccinated against it. And even without symptoms you can have a high enough viral load to infect other people. In fact the asmptomatic seem to have as
    high a viral load as people who go on to show symptoms.

    They don't have it for all that long, so it is worth getting vaccinated, and the vaccinated are less likely to get infected at all, so it pays off for everybody else as well

    The vaccinated are also less likely to have symptoms, as you just pointed out, so more likely to pass it on unknowingly.

    Pretty much everybody passes it on unknowingly. You are infectious before you show symptoms, and because you haven't retreated to your bed at that point, you are a lot more likely to pass on the disease at that early stage.

    But if I never get symptoms, or just some mild ones I think are a cold,

    An aged care worker - who ended up giving fatal doses of Covid-19 to some of the elderly people she worked with went to work with a "scratchy throat". Bad mistake.

    Was she vaccinated?

    Probably not. It was early in the epidemic.

    And with vaccination she wouldn't even have had that scratchy throat, so even if she'd tried to be careful, she would have killed loads.

    To be fair a scratchy throat is a common ailment.

    It got to be a lot less common when Covid-19 hit. All the other infectious diseases got a lot less common at that point. Seasonal flu pretty much vanished.

    Yeah, covid attacked flu. Bollocks. Viruses live off larger beings.

    Covid doesn't attack flu. The kind of changes in people's behavior that were driven by their fear of getting Covid-19 made it much less likely that they'd pass on flu if they caught it.

    You clearly haven't got enough sense to change your behavior, so you my not have noticed.

    I will continue to mix with people when I would have been in bed. Why do you think they tell people with symptoms to self isolate?

    It makes them less likely to pass on the infection - which is to say to maintain the epidemic.

    So you admit that after you get symptoms you can pass it on, we're getting there. Now consider your vaccination is hiding those symptoms from you.

    I've explicitly considered it above. You do seem to be an idiot. Try not to advertise the fact.

    I see no evidence of this. I'll make it simple for you:
    Mr Smith is not vaccinated, he gets covid, he goes to bed. He maybe met a few folk before he felt ill.

    He probably did meet and infect them. Most infection seems to happen when the infecting person was still asymptomatic.

    Mr Jones is vaccinated, he gets covid, he feels a little off, so meets more people before deciding to isolate.

    He'd have to be as silly as you are to make that mistake.

    Mr Foster is vaccinated and gets no symptoms, and meets hundred of people. He kills a shitload of them. The vaccine caused these deaths.

    He had less chance of getting infected after he'd got vaccinated, and he doesn't spread the virus for nearly as long. He's going to cause many fewer deaths than he would have done if he hadn't got vaccinated. The virus caused the deaths, not the
    vaccination. You can ignore the obvious and create misleading over-simplifications, but it does advertise your stupidity.

    --
    Bill Sloman, sydney

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  • From Commander Kinsey@21:1/5 to whit3rd@gmail.com on Tue Apr 5 07:59:53 2022
    On Tue, 05 Apr 2022 07:56:20 +0100, whit3rd <whit3rd@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Monday, April 4, 2022 at 9:16:30 PM UTC-7, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Mon, 04 Apr 2022 09:08:54 +0100, Anthony William Sloman <bill....@ieee.org> wrote:

    On Monday, April 4, 2022 at 4:16:33 PM UTC+10, Commander Kinsey wrote:

    So you admit that after you get symptoms you can pass it on, we're getting there. Now consider your vaccination is hiding those symptoms from you.

    That's not an 'admission' at all, just common knowledge.
    Vaccinations are not concealments.

    Of course they are, they reduce symptoms, meaning you're less likely to know you're infectious, so give it to more people.

    I've explicitly considered it above. You do seem to be an idiot ty not to advertise the fact.

    I see no evidence of this. I'll make it simple for you:
    Mr Smith is not vaccinated, he gets covid, he goes to bed. He maybe met a few folk before he felt ill.
    ... so?
    Mr Jones is vaccinated, he gets covid, he feels a little off, so meets more people before deciding to isolate.
    ... and since he is representative of his local population., those people are probably vaccinated.

    Why would everyone in a local population have the same views?

    Mr Foster is vaccinated and gets no symptoms, and meets hundred of people. He kills a shitload of them. The vaccine caused these deaths.

    Vaccination that causes 'no symptoms' also presumablly lessens the infectious period. So, vaccinated or not,
    that can happen, and 'He kills' is wrong because only a few will get the disease, most are (like Mr. Foster) vaccinated.
    Vaccination in Foster implies probable vaccination of his cohort of neighbors.

    There's a branching tree, with vaccination near the trunk, but that doesn't make it the cause of all the elements
    on its fork. It does, however, change the number of fatalities, and the 'simple' analysis does not allow any such
    conclusions as "The vaccine caused those deaths", nor even that the vaccine caused any recoveries. It's
    too simple, thus is inconclusive.

    Drawing silly tree pictures doesn't negate simple facts.

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  • From whit3rd@21:1/5 to Commander Kinsey on Mon Apr 4 23:56:20 2022
    On Monday, April 4, 2022 at 9:16:30 PM UTC-7, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Mon, 04 Apr 2022 09:08:54 +0100, Anthony William Sloman <bill....@ieee.org> wrote:

    On Monday, April 4, 2022 at 4:16:33 PM UTC+10, Commander Kinsey wrote:

    So you admit that after you get symptoms you can pass it on, we're getting there. Now consider your vaccination is hiding those symptoms from you.

    That's not an 'admission' at all, just common knowledge.
    Vaccinations are not concealments.

    I've explicitly considered it above. You do seem to be an idiot ty not to advertise the fact.

    I see no evidence of this. I'll make it simple for you:
    Mr Smith is not vaccinated, he gets covid, he goes to bed. He maybe met a few folk before he felt ill.
    ... so?
    Mr Jones is vaccinated, he gets covid, he feels a little off, so meets more people before deciding to isolate.
    ... and since he is representative of his local population., those people are probably vaccinated.

    Mr Foster is vaccinated and gets no symptoms, and meets hundred of people. He kills a shitload of them. The vaccine caused these deaths.

    Vaccination that causes 'no symptoms' also presumablly lessens the infectious period. So, vaccinated or not,
    that can happen, and 'He kills' is wrong because only a few will get the disease, most are (like Mr. Foster) vaccinated.
    Vaccination in Foster implies probable vaccination of his cohort of neighbors.

    There's a branching tree, with vaccination near the trunk, but that doesn't make it the cause of all the elements
    on its fork. It does, however, change the number of fatalities, and the 'simple' analysis does not allow any such
    conclusions as "The vaccine caused those deaths", nor even that the vaccine caused any recoveries. It's
    too simple, thus is inconclusive.

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  • From whit3rd@21:1/5 to Commander Kinsey on Tue Apr 5 00:44:10 2022
    On Tuesday, April 5, 2022 at 12:00:01 AM UTC-7, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Tue, 05 Apr 2022 07:56:20 +0100, whit3rd <whi...@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Monday, April 4, 2022 at 9:16:30 PM UTC-7, Commander Kinsey wrote:

    Mr Jones is vaccinated, he gets covid, he feels a little off, so meets more people before deciding to isolate.
    ... and since he is representative of his local population., those people are probably vaccinated.

    Why would everyone in a local population have the same views?

    The word 'probably' does not square with the suggestion of 'everyone'. My friends and neighbors DO
    see a lot of the same things I do, which means we share a lot of the same views... in the landscape-scenery
    sense and many others. It'd be a surprise if that were not the case.

    Mr Foster is vaccinated and gets no symptoms, and meets hundred of people. He kills a shitload of them. The vaccine caused these deaths.

    Vaccination that causes 'no symptoms' also presumablly lessens the infectious period. So, vaccinated or not,
    that can happen, and 'He kills' is wrong because only a few will get the disease, most are (like Mr. Foster) vaccinated.
    Vaccination in Foster implies probable vaccination of his cohort of neighbors.

    There's a branching tree, with vaccination near the trunk, but that doesn't make it the cause of all the elements
    on its fork.

    Drawing silly tree pictures doesn't negate simple facts.

    A hypothetical scenario is not 'fact', but fiction. And, that scenario does not indicate causality as
    suggested. It doesn't draw ANY pictures, silly or not.

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  • From Commander Kinsey@21:1/5 to whit3rd@gmail.com on Tue Apr 5 08:57:22 2022
    On Tue, 05 Apr 2022 08:44:10 +0100, whit3rd <whit3rd@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Tuesday, April 5, 2022 at 12:00:01 AM UTC-7, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Tue, 05 Apr 2022 07:56:20 +0100, whit3rd <whi...@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Monday, April 4, 2022 at 9:16:30 PM UTC-7, Commander Kinsey wrote:

    Mr Jones is vaccinated, he gets covid, he feels a little off, so meets more people before deciding to isolate.
    ... and since he is representative of his local population., those people are probably vaccinated.

    Why would everyone in a local population have the same views?

    The word 'probably' does not square with the suggestion of 'everyone'.

    English isn't precise.

    My friends and neighbors DO
    see a lot of the same things I do, which means we share a lot of the same views... in the landscape-scenery
    sense and many others. It'd be a surprise if that were not the case.

    I'd be surprised if it was. Do your **neighbours** just copy you or something?

    Learn to spell.

    Mr Foster is vaccinated and gets no symptoms, and meets hundred of people. He kills a shitload of them. The vaccine caused these deaths.

    Vaccination that causes 'no symptoms' also presumablly lessens the infectious period. So, vaccinated or not,
    that can happen, and 'He kills' is wrong because only a few will get the disease, most are (like Mr. Foster) vaccinated.
    Vaccination in Foster implies probable vaccination of his cohort of neighbors.

    There's a branching tree, with vaccination near the trunk, but that doesn't make it the cause of all the elements
    on its fork.

    Drawing silly tree pictures doesn't negate simple facts.

    A hypothetical scenario is not 'fact', but fiction. And, that scenario does not indicate causality as
    suggested. It doesn't draw ANY pictures, silly or not.

    Go back to being a politician.

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  • From Anthony William Sloman@21:1/5 to Commander Kinsey on Tue Apr 5 04:10:56 2022
    On Tuesday, April 5, 2022 at 5:00:01 PM UTC+10, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Tue, 05 Apr 2022 07:56:20 +0100, whit3rd <whi...@gmail.com> wrote:
    On Monday, April 4, 2022 at 9:16:30 PM UTC-7, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Mon, 04 Apr 2022 09:08:54 +0100, Anthony William Sloman <bill....@ieee.org> wrote:
    On Monday, April 4, 2022 at 4:16:33 PM UTC+10, Commander Kinsey wrote:

    So you admit that after you get symptoms you can pass it on, we're getting there. Now consider your vaccination is hiding those symptoms from you.

    That's not an 'admission' at all, just common knowledge.
    Vaccinations are not concealments.

    Of course they are, they reduce symptoms, meaning you're less likely to know you're infectious, so give it to more people.

    But less likely to catch in the first place, and likely to stay infectious for a shorter period, so give it to fewer people.

    And vaccination doesn't "reduce symptoms". Some people who are vaccinated and yet get infected do exhibit symptoms. A few of them die.
    What vaccination against Covid-19 does is to prime your immune system to react faster to a Covid-19 infection, often fast enough to stop it in it's tracks. It's less likely to progress far enough for you to experience symptoms, which might be seen as "
    concealing the symptoms" but 30% of Covid19 infections of the unvaccinated are asymptomatic - the infection never gets far enough to produce symptoms, though it can progress far enough to let you infect other people.

    Of course "fewer" and "more" imply some reference condition, which you haven't specified

    Vaccination does make it less likely that you will be infectious when you do run into other people, so you will give to to fewer people, not more.

    I've explicitly considered it above. You do seem to be an idiot. Try not to advertise the fact.

    I see no evidence of this. I'll make it simple for you:
    Mr Smith is not vaccinated, he gets covid, he goes to bed. He maybe met a few folk before he felt ill.
    ... so?
    Mr Jones is vaccinated, he gets covid, he feels a little off, so meets more people before deciding to isolate.
    ... and since he is representative of his local population., those people are probably vaccinated.

    Why would everyone in a local population have the same views?

    Most of them will.

    Mr Foster is vaccinated and gets no symptoms, and meets hundred of people. He kills a shitload of them. The vaccine caused these deaths.

    Vaccination that causes 'no symptoms' also presumably lessens the infectious period. So, vaccinated or not,
    that can happen, and 'He kills' is wrong because only a few will get the disease, most are (like Mr. Foster) vaccinated.
    Vaccination in Foster implies probable vaccination of his cohort of neighbors.

    There's a branching tree, with vaccination near the trunk, but that doesn't make it the cause of all the elements
    on its fork. It does, however, change the number of fatalities, and the 'simple' analysis does not allow any such
    conclusions as "The vaccine caused those deaths", nor even that the vaccine caused any recoveries. It's
    too simple, thus is inconclusive.

    Drawing silly tree pictures doesn't negate simple facts.

    You idea of what constitute "simple facts" are like Flyguy's. You leave out the bits that don't suit your argument.

    --
    Bill Sloman, Sydney

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  • From John Doe@21:1/5 to whit3rd@gmail.com on Tue Apr 5 12:12:17 2022
    whit3rd <whit3rd@gmail.com> wrote:

    Commander Kinsey wrote:

    I know how it works from experience and how genetics works. You pass on
    everything - intelligence, height, health, etc.

    That's not knowledge, it's prejudice.

    Says an ignorant cannibal leftist.

    We certainly do not inherit wisdom, clearly shown by the difference
    between George Bush Senior and George Bush Junior.

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  • From John Doe@21:1/5 to All on Tue Apr 5 12:16:28 2022
    This thread is officially closed.

    No further posting is allowed.

    Please adjust your newsreaders accordingly.

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  • From Clive Arthur@21:1/5 to Commander Kinsey on Tue Apr 5 14:21:58 2022
    XPost: alt.usage.english

    On 29/03/2022 18:56, Commander Kinsey wrote:

    <snip>

    If I was a Russian I'd stand by Putin.  What's wrong with taking back a nation that once belonged to you, one full of such rich resources?

    My Sister might know, she lives in Anchorage. Alaska and see what she
    thinks.

    --
    Cheers
    Clive

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  • From Anthony William Sloman@21:1/5 to John Doe on Tue Apr 5 07:18:29 2022
    On Tuesday, April 5, 2022 at 10:12:24 PM UTC+10, John Doe wrote:
    whit3rd <whi...@gmail.com> wrote:
    Commander Kinsey wrote:

    I know how it works from experience and how genetics works. You pass on >> everything - intelligence, height, health, etc.

    That's not knowledge, it's prejudice.

    Says an ignorant cannibal leftist.

    John Doe is an ignorant rightist with delusions about his grasp of reality. So is Commander Kinsey.

    We certainly do not inherit wisdom, clearly shown by the difference
    between George Bush Senior and George Bush Junior.

    Wisdom is as much about what you know as it is about your skill at drawing conclusions from what you know. Knowledge isn't heritable.

    George W Bush Jnr drank a lot more than his dad, and probably didn't have the brains. he was born with. Only half the genes used to construct his brain came from his dad anyway, and his mother (while fairly clever) was probably clever in different ways,
    and for different reasons than. his dad.

    --
    Bill Sloman, Sydney

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  • From jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com@21:1/5 to All on Tue Apr 5 07:25:03 2022
    On Mon, 4 Apr 2022 21:06:12 -0700 (PDT), whit3rd <whit3rd@gmail.com>
    wrote:

    On Sunday, April 3, 2022 at 5:04:29 PM UTC-7, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Sun, 03 Apr 2022 08:56:14 +0100, Anthony William Sloman <bill....@ieee.org> wrote:

    On Sunday, April 3, 2022 at 1:24:40 PM UTC+10, Commander Kinsey wrote:

    Bullshit. If the kids are clever, it's because they got the clever genes from their parents, which means their parents will be rich too.

    It doesn't work that way. You might read "Blueprint" by Robert Plombin to get some idea of how it does work.

    https://www.amazon.com/Blueprint-How-DNA-Makes-Press/dp/0262039168
    I know how it works from experience and how genetics works. You pass on everything - intelligence, height, health, etc.

    That's not knowledge, it's prejudice. Inheritance does NOT pass on all the phenotype of
    parents to their offspring. Genetics wasn't your strong subject, I suspect.

    When a boy and a girl make a baby, lots of very complex genes get
    shuffled and redealt. That's why siblings are different.





    --

    I yam what I yam - Popeye

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  • From Anthony William Sloman@21:1/5 to John Doe on Tue Apr 5 07:23:09 2022
    On Tuesday, April 5, 2022 at 10:16:35 PM UTC+10, John Doe wrote:
    This thread is officially closed.

    No further posting is allowed.

    Please adjust your newsreaders accordingly.

    John Doe does seem to have lost any marbles he might have had left. There aren't any thread-closing officials or John Doe would have been shut out years ago.

    I suppose I ought to adjust my newsreader to ignore his posts, but he does make some very comical pratfalls.

    --
    Bill Sloman, Sydney

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  • From Anthony William Sloman@21:1/5 to jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com on Tue Apr 5 08:05:56 2022
    On Wednesday, April 6, 2022 at 12:25:14 AM UTC+10, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
    On Mon, 4 Apr 2022 21:06:12 -0700 (PDT), whit3rd <whi...@gmail.com>
    wrote:

    On Sunday, April 3, 2022 at 5:04:29 PM UTC-7, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Sun, 03 Apr 2022 08:56:14 +0100, Anthony William Sloman <bill....@ieee.org> wrote:

    On Sunday, April 3, 2022 at 1:24:40 PM UTC+10, Commander Kinsey wrote:

    Bullshit. If the kids are clever, it's because they got the clever genes from their parents, which means their parents will be rich too.

    It doesn't work that way. You might read "Blueprint" by Robert Plombin to get some idea of how it does work.

    https://www.amazon.com/Blueprint-How-DNA-Makes-Press/dp/0262039168
    I know how it works from experience and how genetics works. You pass on everything - intelligence, height, health, etc.

    That's not knowledge, it's prejudice. Inheritance does NOT pass on all the phenotype of
    parents to their offspring. Genetics wasn't your strong subject, I suspect.

    When a boy and a girl make a baby, lots of very complex genes get shuffled and redealt. That's why siblings are different.

    Genetics doesn't seem to have been John Larkin's strong subject either.

    There's no shuffling and redealing at conception.

    There does seem to be crossing-over when diploid cells generate haploid gametes.

    https://www.genome.gov/genetics-glossary/Crossing-Over

    The two DNA strings in each of your chromosomes come from your father and your mother (though the Y-chromosome is an exception).

    When the two strings are separated to make pairs of haploid gametes, the strings get broken a couple times for each chromosome, so each haploid gamete has contributions from both parents (the grandparents of the child that is conceived when the two
    gametes unite to create a new individual).

    That might be seen as shuffling and redealing, but it happens separately in both parents quite while before conception.

    At conception the two haploid gametes combine to make a new diploid cell which develops into a new individual.

    --
    Bill Sloman, Sydney

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  • From Idiot@21:1/5 to John Doe on Tue Apr 5 14:41:00 2022
    John Doe <always.look@message.header> wrote:
    This thread is officially closed.

    No further posting is allowed.

    Please adjust your newsreaders accordingly.

    Idiot.

    This is Usenet, you don't get to declare a thread closed.

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  • From Ed Lee@21:1/5 to John Doe on Tue Apr 5 09:02:36 2022
    On Tuesday, April 5, 2022 at 8:55:17 AM UTC-7, John Doe wrote:
    THIS THREAD IS OFFICIALLY CLOSED

    BY WHOM?

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  • From John Doe@21:1/5 to All on Tue Apr 5 15:55:10 2022
    XPost: alt.usage.english

    THIS THREAD IS OFFICIALLY CLOSED

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  • From Ed Lee@21:1/5 to John Doe on Tue Apr 5 09:31:43 2022
    On Tuesday, April 5, 2022 at 9:19:41 AM UTC-7, John Doe wrote:
    BY YOUR MOTHER, OFFICIALLY

    My mother, officially and respectfully, moves to reconsider the evidences. Unarmed civilians RAPED, TORTURED and KILLED. She knows WAR CRIMES when she see it.

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  • From John Doe@21:1/5 to All on Tue Apr 5 16:19:34 2022
    BY YOUR MOTHER, OFFICIALLY

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  • From Jon Doe Is An Idiot@21:1/5 to John Doe on Tue Apr 5 17:07:38 2022
    In sci.electronics.design John Doe <always.look@message.header> wrote:
    THIS THREAD IS OFFICIALLY CLOSED

    You are a fucking idiot.

    This is Usenet, you don't get to declare a thread closed.

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  • From John Doe@21:1/5 to Jon Doe Is An Idiot on Tue Apr 5 18:58:05 2022
    XPost: free.spam

    Nym-shifting troll...

    --
    Jon Doe Is An Idiot <idiot@example.invalid> wrote:

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    From: Jon Doe Is An Idiot <idiot@example.invalid>
    Newsgroups: sci.electronics.design
    Subject: Re: OT: Sanctions
    Followup-To: sci.electronics.design
    Date: Tue, 5 Apr 2022 17:07:38 -0000 (UTC)
    Organization: Aioe.org NNTP Server
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    In sci.electronics.design John Doe <always.look@message.header> wrote:
    THIS THREAD IS OFFICIALLY CLOSED

    You are a fucking idiot.

    This is Usenet, you don't get to declare a thread closed.




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  • From Edward Hernandez@21:1/5 to All on Tue Apr 5 19:34:12 2022
    XPost: free.spam

    The John Doe troll stated the following in message-id <sdhn7c$pkp$4@dont-email.me>:

    The troll doesn't even know how to format a USENET post...

    And the John Doe troll stated the following in message-id <sg3kr7$qt5$1@dont-email.me>:

    The reason Bozo cannot figure out how to get Google to keep from
    breaking its lines in inappropriate places is because Bozo is
    CLUELESS...

    And yet, the clueless John Doe troll has itself posted yet another
    incorrectly formatted USENET posting on Tue, 5 Apr 2022 18:58:05 -0000
    (UTC) in message-id <t2i3ft$s6n$1@dont-email.me>.

    Further, John Doe stated the following in message-id <svsh05$lbh$5@dont-email.me> posted Fri, 4 Mar 2022 08:01:09 -0000
    (UTC):

    Compared to other regulars, Bozo contributes practically nothing
    except insults to this group.

    Yet, since Wed, 5 Jan 2022 04:10:38 -0000 (UTC) John Doe's post ratio to
    USENET has been 53.3% of its posts contributing "nothing except insults"
    to USENET.

    tUCJ1thGxuey

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  • From John Doe@21:1/5 to Edward Hernandez on Tue Apr 5 20:14:30 2022
    XPost: free.spam

    Poor liddle Eddie got spanked and just can't get over it.

    Unless Eddie is nym-shifting, it has never posted anything NORMAL
    except when it got a severe spanking...

    https://groups.google.com/g/sci.electronics.repair/c/MesPLcGU4BE

    Is the stalker a nym-shifting troll, or a newbie netcop wannabe?

    See also...
    Peter Weiner <dtgamer99@gmail.com>
    Edward H. <dtgamer99@gmail.com>
    Edward Hernandez <dtgamer99@gmail.com>

    Eddie is an example for all newbies. Don't get spanked!

    Spanked Eddie...

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    Subject: Re: OT: Sanctions
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    The John Doe troll stated the following in message-id <sdhn7c$pkp$4@dont-email.me>:

    The troll doesn't even know how to format a USENET post...

    And the John Doe troll stated the following in message-id <sg3kr7$qt5$1@dont-email.me>:

    The reason Bozo cannot figure out how to get Google to keep from
    breaking its lines in inappropriate places is because Bozo is
    CLUELESS...

    And yet, the clueless John Doe troll has itself posted yet another incorrectly formatted USENET posting on Tue, 5 Apr 2022 18:58:05 -0000
    (UTC) in message-id <t2i3ft$s6n$1@dont-email.me>.

    Further, John Doe stated the following in message-id <svsh05$lbh$5@dont-email.me> posted Fri, 4 Mar 2022 08:01:09 -0000
    (UTC):

    Compared to other regulars, Bozo contributes practically nothing
    except insults to this group.

    Yet, since Wed, 5 Jan 2022 04:10:38 -0000 (UTC) John Doe's post ratio to USENET has been 53.3% of its posts contributing "nothing except insults"
    to USENET.

    tUCJ1thGxuey




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  • From DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno@decadenc@21:1/5 to Commander Kinsey on Tue Apr 5 20:37:50 2022
    "Commander Kinsey" <CK1@nospam.com> wrote in
    news:op.1j2qhhswmvhs6z@ryzen.lan:

    Thanks for pointing out how useless educating everyone in
    everything actually is.

    Educating you in even a few things did not work. So, despite the intelligence level of your parents, it did NOT "get passed on" like you
    claimed it does. That fact is blatantly clear every time you make
    another stupid post, and that comprises all of them.

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  • From DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno@decadenc@21:1/5 to Commander Kinsey on Tue Apr 5 20:39:47 2022
    "Commander Kinsey" <CK1@nospam.com> wrote in
    news:op.1j2qlejimvhs6z@ryzen.lan:

    No words are taboo to anyone with a modicum of intelligence you
    fuckwit.

    That rules you out. Not only has "a modicum" escaped you, but you
    did not even get a hint of any.

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  • From DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno@decadenc@21:1/5 to Commander Kinsey on Tue Apr 5 20:35:25 2022
    "Commander Kinsey" <CK1@nospam.com> wrote in
    news:op.1j2qhhswmvhs6z@ryzen.lan:

    I know how it works from experience and how genetics works.

    Decidedly, you do not know.

    You
    pass on everything - intelligence, height, health, etc.

    No, you do not. You could not be more blatantly stupid if you tried.

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  • From DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno@decadenc@21:1/5 to Turd Commander Kinsey on Tue Apr 5 20:54:32 2022
    "Turd Commander Kinsey" <CK1@nospam.com> wrote in news:op.1j2roha3mvhs6z@ryzen.lan:

    It's only protects me, since you would be wearing your own, or did
    you get a magic one that only lets germs go one way?


    A spittle mask is NOT to protect you from others, you stupid fuck.
    It is to protect others from what YOU expell.

    So you are a science and physics nitwit as well.

    You need a fully sealed mask for you own protection.

    Spittle masks do and cannot filter what you breathe in. They are specifically meant to capture the majority of the microdroplets which
    you exhibit with every breath. You being so stupid as to not grasp the mechanics of this simple fact is proof that you have no business
    expounding on it. You are dirt stupid. You may well be even more
    stupid that the troll retard in here who named himself John Doe. Both
    he and you are abject idiots, at best.

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  • From Commander Kinsey@21:1/5 to Ed Lee on Tue Apr 5 22:00:04 2022
    On Tue, 05 Apr 2022 17:02:36 +0100, Ed Lee <edward.ming.lee@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Tuesday, April 5, 2022 at 8:55:17 AM UTC-7, John Doe wrote:
    THIS THREAD IS OFFICIALLY CLOSED

    BY WHOM?

    Posh twat, most people say who.

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  • From Commander Kinsey@21:1/5 to Ed Lee on Tue Apr 5 22:01:15 2022
    On Tue, 05 Apr 2022 17:31:43 +0100, Ed Lee <edward.ming.lee@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Tuesday, April 5, 2022 at 9:19:41 AM UTC-7, John Doe wrote:
    BY YOUR MOTHER, OFFICIALLY

    My mother, officially and respectfully, moves to reconsider the evidences. Unarmed civilians RAPED, TORTURED and KILLED. She knows WAR CRIMES when she see it.

    War crimes are what the west is doing to Russian civilians. Do you seriously think it's ok to make their food cost 3 times as much? If you want to get involved in a war which is none of your business, attack the Russian MILITARY.

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  • From Edward Hernandez@21:1/5 to All on Tue Apr 5 21:02:43 2022
    XPost: free.spam

    The John Doe troll stated the following in message-id <sdhn7c$pkp$4@dont-email.me>:

    The troll doesn't even know how to format a USENET post...

    And the John Doe troll stated the following in message-id <sg3kr7$qt5$1@dont-email.me>:

    The reason Bozo cannot figure out how to get Google to keep from
    breaking its lines in inappropriate places is because Bozo is
    CLUELESS...

    And yet, the clueless John Doe troll has itself posted yet another
    incorrectly formatted USENET posting on Tue, 5 Apr 2022 20:14:30 -0000
    (UTC) in message-id <t2i7v6$2gj$1@dont-email.me>.

    Further, John Doe stated the following in message-id <svsh05$lbh$5@dont-email.me> posted Fri, 4 Mar 2022 08:01:09 -0000
    (UTC):

    Compared to other regulars, Bozo contributes practically nothing
    except insults to this group.

    Yet, since Wed, 5 Jan 2022 04:10:38 -0000 (UTC) John Doe's post ratio to
    USENET has been 53.3% of its posts contributing "nothing except insults"
    to USENET.

    This posting is a public service announcement for any google groups
    readers who happen by to point out that the John Doe troll does not even
    follow the rules it uses to troll other posters.

    Y4Sah1FX02Br

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  • From DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno@decadenc@21:1/5 to Anthony William Sloman on Tue Apr 5 21:23:28 2022
    Anthony William Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> wrote in news:24358457-c7e0-44f0-ba17-073b3a6d0ec1n@googlegroups.com:

    On Monday, April 4, 2022 at 10:30:16 AM UTC+10, Commander Kinsey
    wrote:
    On Sun, 03 Apr 2022 09:45:54 +0100, Anthony William Sloman
    <bill....@ieee
    .org> wrote:

    On Sunday, April 3, 2022 at 2:57:15 PM UTC+10, Commander Kinsey
    wrote:

    On Sat, 02 Apr 2022 06:42:02 +0100, Anthony William Sloman
    <bill....@i
    eee.org> wrote:
    On Saturday, April 2, 2022 at 1:36:45 PM UTC+11, Commander
    Kinsey wr
    ote:
    On Sat, 02 Apr 2022 03:22:44 +0100, Anthony William Sloman
    <bill...
    .@ieee.org> wrote:

    which is when most people make heavy demands on it.
    Irresponsible
    idiots imagine that they are going to live forever, and resent
    paying for a service that isn't doing anything for them right
    now.

    It's not irresponsible to want to use your money to live a
    fun life
    now instead of extend it when you're old and decrepit. It's a
    choice.

    Until it comes to catching something infectious. And you
    probably wo
    n't know that what you've got is infectious.

    Stop expecting everyone else to look after you. Wear your own
    pansy ma
    sk.

    There's nothing pansy about wearing a mask. It's exactly as
    much about
    looking after everybody else - protecting them about getting
    infected by you even if you don't know you are infected - as it is
    about protecting yourself from getting infected by anybody else.

    It's only protects me, since you would be wearing your own, or
    did you ge
    t a magic one that only lets germs go one way?

    Masks aren't anything like perfect. They make it less likely that
    you will infect anybody else (if you happen to be infected and
    you won't know that since you are infectious before you show
    symptoms), They also make less likely that you will get exposed to
    the virus if somebody else is infected. They catch some of the
    virus loaded droplets, but can't catch all of them.

    The situation is further complicated by the fact that the
    main jo
    b of any public health service is actually monitoring for
    epidemics - like the Covid-19 pandemic which has been raging for
    the past two years, which was the first of it's kind since the
    Spanish flu which happened about a hundred years earlier.
    Anticipating unpredictable disasters does require the kind of
    expertise that most taxpayers lack.

    The UK NHS did a rotten job during the Covid19 pandemic,
    in part
    because a recent conservative government had dismantled it's
    contact tracing service to save money.

    The NHS never does a decent job, get rid of it entirely.

    That why the UK life expectancies are 81.4 years on average,
    79.8 ye
    ars for males and 83.0 years for females, while the corresponding
    US number are lower 78.5 year on average, 76.3 years for males and
    80.7 years for females. The UK NHS is Spartan, but it is
    universal.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_life_expec
    tancy


    The UK is 25th in the international ranking, and the US is
    40th.

    Oooh! A whole 3 years extra living in a care home in misery
    while the
    "NHS" takes your money and house so you can't pass it on to your
    children.

    The National Health Service doesn't take you money or your
    house, unlik
    e it's US equivalents, where getting sick is the most likely route
    to bankruptcy. Aged care homes aren't cheerful places, but good
    health care keeps you out of them for longer than bad and
    over-priced health care.

    WRONG. My grandmother was in a care home for 2-3 years and half
    her house
    value was taken.

    But that wasn't done by the NHS. How you mother' care was paid for
    is something you haven't told us - you presumably don't know,
    since you think the NHS was involved.

    The Tory government went all left wing and put more money
    into the
    NHS during Covid.

    Better late than never. It makes lot more sense to set up a
    certain
    amount of excess capacity before you need it. Starting up
    something from scratch takes quite a bit longer than fleshing out
    an existing structure. As in the UK contact tracing debacle.

    The tories are supposed to be right wing, we didn't vote them
    in to wa
    ste our money.

    You might not have been the only voter to support them - they
    did win t
    he election, which does imply support outside the lunatic right
    wing fringe.

    It doesn't imply it, as another option is 50% of people are in
    the "sensi
    ble right fringe" while the other 50% are in the "theiving left
    fringe". Sometimes it's 51/49 one way, sometimes the other way.

    Nobody sensible would have voted for a party lead by Boris
    Johnson. His personality defects are well known.

    Let Covid kill off the weak and useless. I've had no
    vaccinations a
    nd never wear a mask and have been in close contact with many
    people. I'm still here.

    What a pity. You don't deserve to be.

    By who's ruling? God?

    Just my opinion. God - if he existed - could make the point
    more direct
    ly.

    Your opinion is wrong. Evolution must be allowed to take place.

    It is taking place - you wont wear a mask or get vaccinated.
    Human beings have been selected for resistance to infectious
    disease since started living in towns, but the selection is only
    effective when it takes out people who will go on to reproduce.
    Killing of the elderly - which is what Covid19 is best at isn't
    applying any direct selective pressure at all.

    and if you had caught the infection, not noticed,

    What, you mean it can actually be so mild it doesn't hurt? And
    yet you
    still worry about it?!

    Something like 30% of Covid-19 infections are asymptomatic.
    It's higher
    if you have been vaccinated against it. And even without symptoms
    you can have a high enough viral load to infect other people. In
    fact the asmptomatic seem to have as high a viral load as people
    who go on to show symptoms.

    They don't have it for all that long, so it is worth getting
    vaccinated
    , and the vaccinated are less likely to get infected at all, so it
    pays off for everybody else as well

    The vaccinated are also less likely to have symptoms, as you just
    pointed
    out, so more likely to pass it on unknowingly.

    Pretty much everybody passes it on unknowingly. You are infectious
    before you show symptoms, and because you haven't retreated to
    your bed at that point, you are a lot more likely to pass on the
    disease at that early stage.

    Anyway, since the stats from a Canadian hospital through a
    freedom of inf
    ormation request showed 83% of people admitted (so that's with
    serious symptoms) had been vaccinated, it's fucking useless.

    You didn't look at enough statistics, and probably didn't
    understand what you did look at. Vaccination does help a lot. It
    boosts your immune system, and the elderly immune system isn't up
    to much, so it doesn't stop elderly victims getting sick and
    dying, but fewer - even of them - get infected if they've been
    vaccinated or go on to need intensive care or end up dying.

    toughed it out, and infected a whole lot of other people
    (killing so
    me of them).

    It's called evolution. Live with it (or not).

    Nobody sane calls endangering other people "evolution".

    It's not endangering the tougher ones. If I drive dangerously, I
    could ki
    ll anybody. If I cough over someone, I can only kill the weak,
    which is what evolution is all about.

    Evolution is about killing off people before they can reproduce.
    Covid-19 mostly kills of the elderly, who weren't going to
    reproduce.

    you would still be posting the same dangerous nonsense.

    Dangerous ROTFPMSL! I bet you wear a seatbelt too, just in
    case. You w
    ere beaten up at school weren't you?

    Even if you are too stupid to realise how much of a menace you
    are, you
    are still a menace.

    I was a menace at school. I wonder if you were one of the poor
    little "vi
    ctims"?

    Far from it. I was a menace to people like you, because I could
    and did hit back, but most of the time I was bookish,
    short-sighted and friendly kid with a thoroughly nasty straight
    right (which I didn't like using because the target's teeth tended
    to graze my knuckles).

    I wear a seat-belt when I'm in a car. I've not had any
    advantage from i
    t yet, but that doesn't mean that it is a bad idea.

    Yes it does. It means every single time you put it on you were
    wasting yo
    ur time.

    But the payoff when you needed to do it can be remarkably large.
    Your problem is simple stupidity.

    I didn't get beaten up at school - I got taught to box at an
    early age,

    Ah, the weak ones always take up karate etc to make up for being
    inferior
    .

    I didn't take it up. One of our neighbours used to shadow box with
    me when I was very young, and the habits he inculcated stuck. I
    did find it a bit odd when I found out that I knew the moves when
    I needed them, but it did prove very handy. I've always had
    relatively quick response times, which may have helped.

    and nobody started in on that that twice. We did discourage a
    few peopl
    e who had ambitions in that direction - we didn't do enough damage
    to give the teachers anything to notice, but the discouragement
    was effective.

    I hospitalised someone. He didn't grass.

    He should have done. Group loyalty is one thing, but your putting
    a kid into hospital means that you should have got treatment - not
    that the kind of psychopath you seem to be is all that susceptible
    to treatment.

    Spot on with the Kinsey analytics. He is pure idiot.

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  • From DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno@decadenc@21:1/5 to Commander Kinsey on Tue Apr 5 21:34:06 2022
    "Commander Kinsey" <CK1@nospam.com> wrote in
    news:op.1j27pmwgmvhs6z@ryzen.lan:


    So you admit that after you get symptoms you can pass it on, we're
    getting there. Now consider your vaccination is hiding those
    symptoms from you.


    You are fucking retarded. You CAN pass it even BEFORE you express
    ANY symptoms, you stupid fuck. You certainly can after you express
    symptoms.

    And being vaccinated does not hide anything, you fucking idiot.

    A vaccinated person should still wear a mask. The entire planet
    should and that is waht idiots like you don't get. The mask is NOT
    to protect the wearer from others. It is to protect others from the
    wearer.

    You have the logic of a failed president. Essentially NIL.
    That coupled with your inane stupidity actually makes you a danger,
    not only when you open your mouth, but in your case, when you make
    utterances from it. They should put idiots like you in a rubber
    room.
    Then remove the Oxygen from it and video how long it takes you to beg
    for air.

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  • From John Doe@21:1/5 to Commander Kinsey on Tue Apr 5 21:44:28 2022
    "Commander Kinsey" wrote:

    War crimes are what the west is doing to Russian civilians. Do you
    seriously think it's ok to make their food cost 3 times as much? If you
    want to get involved in a war which is none of your business, attack the Russian MILITARY.

    There is a resemblance to terrorism. That's what combatants do when they
    cannot strike at the military, they go for soft targets. They are too
    scared to attack Russia directly (for good reason), so they are hitting
    soft targets with sanctions.

    If they continue arming Ukraine, Russia will tear up ALL of Ukraine's
    railroad tracks. Ukraine's massive wheat exports will disappear
    (apparently they are almost gone already). That will cause European food
    prices to skyrocket.

    The sanctions zealots are hurting everybody.

    Killing 500,000 Iraqi children with sanctions is "worth it" according to Madeleine Albright...

    https://youtu.be/RM0uvgHKZe8

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  • From Commander Kinsey@21:1/5 to John Doe on Tue Apr 5 23:14:18 2022
    On Tue, 05 Apr 2022 22:44:28 +0100, John Doe <always.look@message.header> wrote:

    "Commander Kinsey" wrote:

    War crimes are what the west is doing to Russian civilians. Do you
    seriously think it's ok to make their food cost 3 times as much? If you
    want to get involved in a war which is none of your business, attack the
    Russian MILITARY.

    There is a resemblance to terrorism. That's what combatants do when they cannot strike at the military, they go for soft targets. They are too
    scared to attack Russia directly (for good reason), so they are hitting
    soft targets with sanctions.

    If they continue arming Ukraine, Russia will tear up ALL of Ukraine's railroad tracks. Ukraine's massive wheat exports will disappear
    (apparently they are almost gone already). That will cause European food prices to skyrocket.

    The sanctions zealots are hurting everybody.

    Killing 500,000 Iraqi children with sanctions is "worth it" according to Madeleine Albright...

    https://youtu.be/RM0uvgHKZe8

    Indeed.

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  • From John Larkin@21:1/5 to clive@nowaytoday.co.uk on Tue Apr 5 14:59:02 2022
    XPost: alt.usage.english

    On Tue, 5 Apr 2022 14:21:58 +0100, Clive Arthur
    <clive@nowaytoday.co.uk> wrote:

    On 29/03/2022 18:56, Commander Kinsey wrote:

    <snip>

    If I was a Russian I'd stand by Putin. What's wrong with taking back a
    nation that once belonged to you, one full of such rich resources?

    My Sister might know, she lives in Anchorage. Alaska and see what she >thinks.

    The USA did buy Alaska from the Russians for $7M.

    What's wrong with taking it back is pretty obvious.

    I wouldn't want to stand by Putin. It doesn't sound healthy.

    I had a girlfriend in Juneau, when I lived in New Orleans. It was one
    of those relationships where only the airlines come out ahead.

    --

    If a man will begin with certainties, he shall end with doubts,
    but if he will be content to begin with doubts he shall end in certainties. Francis Bacon

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  • From Commander Kinsey@21:1/5 to Anthony William Sloman on Tue Apr 5 23:14:52 2022
    On Tue, 05 Apr 2022 16:05:56 +0100, Anthony William Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> wrote:

    On Wednesday, April 6, 2022 at 12:25:14 AM UTC+10, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
    On Mon, 4 Apr 2022 21:06:12 -0700 (PDT), whit3rd <whi...@gmail.com>
    wrote:

    On Sunday, April 3, 2022 at 5:04:29 PM UTC-7, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Sun, 03 Apr 2022 08:56:14 +0100, Anthony William Sloman <bill....@ieee.org> wrote:

    On Sunday, April 3, 2022 at 1:24:40 PM UTC+10, Commander Kinsey wrote: >> >
    Bullshit. If the kids are clever, it's because they got the clever genes from their parents, which means their parents will be rich too.

    It doesn't work that way. You might read "Blueprint" by Robert Plombin to get some idea of how it does work.

    https://www.amazon.com/Blueprint-How-DNA-Makes-Press/dp/0262039168
    I know how it works from experience and how genetics works. You pass on everything - intelligence, height, health, etc.

    That's not knowledge, it's prejudice. Inheritance does NOT pass on all the phenotype of
    parents to their offspring. Genetics wasn't your strong subject, I suspect. >>
    When a boy and a girl make a baby, lots of very complex genes get shuffled and redealt. That's why siblings are different.

    Genetics doesn't seem to have been John Larkin's strong subject either.

    There's no shuffling and redealing at conception.

    There does seem to be crossing-over when diploid cells generate haploid gametes.

    https://www.genome.gov/genetics-glossary/Crossing-Over

    The two DNA strings in each of your chromosomes come from your father and your mother (though the Y-chromosome is an exception).

    When the two strings are separated to make pairs of haploid gametes, the strings get broken a couple times for each chromosome, so each haploid gamete has contributions from both parents (the grandparents of the child that is conceived when the two
    gametes unite to create a new individual).

    That might be seen as shuffling and redealing, but it happens separately in both parents quite while before conception.

    At conception the two haploid gametes combine to make a new diploid cell which develops into a new individual.

    Give it a rest.

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  • From Commander Kinsey@21:1/5 to John Larkin on Wed Apr 6 00:27:12 2022
    XPost: alt.usage.english

    On Tue, 05 Apr 2022 22:59:02 +0100, John Larkin <jlarkin@highland_atwork_technology.com> wrote:

    On Tue, 5 Apr 2022 14:21:58 +0100, Clive Arthur
    <clive@nowaytoday.co.uk> wrote:

    On 29/03/2022 18:56, Commander Kinsey wrote:

    <snip>

    If I was a Russian I'd stand by Putin. What's wrong with taking back a
    nation that once belonged to you, one full of such rich resources?

    My Sister might know, she lives in Anchorage. Alaska and see what she
    thinks.

    The USA did buy Alaska from the Russians for $7M.

    What's wrong with taking it back is pretty obvious.

    If you bought my wife I'd try to take her back. What's your point again?

    I wouldn't want to stand by Putin. It doesn't sound healthy.

    He's the only real leader left. And the Chinky.

    I had a girlfriend in Juneau, when I lived in New Orleans. It was one
    of those relationships where only the airlines come out ahead.

    Mile high club?

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  • From Commander Kinsey@21:1/5 to John Doe on Wed Apr 6 00:28:25 2022
    XPost: free.spam

    On Tue, 05 Apr 2022 19:58:05 +0100, John Doe <always.look@message.header> wrote:

    Nym-shifting troll...

    Odd, you saw him as "John Doe is an idiot", yet I just saw "Idiot". Either your newsreader or your brain is deceiving you.

    And stop top posting, you've made everything get snipped as per the --.

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  • From Commander Kinsey@21:1/5 to Idiot on Wed Apr 6 00:20:13 2022
    On Tue, 05 Apr 2022 15:41:00 +0100, Idiot <idiot@example.invalid> wrote:

    John Doe <always.look@message.header> wrote:
    This thread is officially closed.

    No further posting is allowed.

    Please adjust your newsreaders accordingly.

    Idiot.

    This is Usenet, you don't get to declare a thread closed.

    Anybody can declare anything, but we're free to ignore/abuse/pillage/rape them.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From John Larkin@21:1/5 to CK1@nospam.com on Tue Apr 5 17:02:36 2022
    XPost: alt.usage.english

    On Wed, 06 Apr 2022 00:27:12 +0100, "Commander Kinsey"
    <CK1@nospam.com> wrote:

    On Tue, 05 Apr 2022 22:59:02 +0100, John Larkin <jlarkin@highland_atwork_technology.com> wrote:

    On Tue, 5 Apr 2022 14:21:58 +0100, Clive Arthur
    <clive@nowaytoday.co.uk> wrote:

    On 29/03/2022 18:56, Commander Kinsey wrote:

    <snip>

    If I was a Russian I'd stand by Putin. What's wrong with taking back a >>>> nation that once belonged to you, one full of such rich resources?

    My Sister might know, she lives in Anchorage. Alaska and see what she
    thinks.

    The USA did buy Alaska from the Russians for $7M.

    What's wrong with taking it back is pretty obvious.

    If you bought my wife I'd try to take her back. What's your point again?

    Would you sell her? How much?

    --

    If a man will begin with certainties, he shall end with doubts,
    but if he will be content to begin with doubts he shall end in certainties. Francis Bacon

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  • From Commander Kinsey@21:1/5 to John Larkin on Wed Apr 6 01:03:21 2022
    XPost: alt.usage.english

    On Wed, 06 Apr 2022 01:02:36 +0100, John Larkin <jlarkin@highland_atwork_technology.com> wrote:

    On Wed, 06 Apr 2022 00:27:12 +0100, "Commander Kinsey"
    <CK1@nospam.com> wrote:

    On Tue, 05 Apr 2022 22:59:02 +0100, John Larkin <jlarkin@highland_atwork_technology.com> wrote:

    On Tue, 5 Apr 2022 14:21:58 +0100, Clive Arthur
    <clive@nowaytoday.co.uk> wrote:

    On 29/03/2022 18:56, Commander Kinsey wrote:

    <snip>

    If I was a Russian I'd stand by Putin. What's wrong with taking back a >>>>> nation that once belonged to you, one full of such rich resources?

    My Sister might know, she lives in Anchorage. Alaska and see what she >>>> thinks.

    The USA did buy Alaska from the Russians for $7M.

    What's wrong with taking it back is pretty obvious.

    If you bought my wife I'd try to take her back. What's your point again?

    Would you sell her? How much?

    You haven't inspected the goods yet.

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  • From John Doe@21:1/5 to Commander Kinsey on Wed Apr 6 01:19:39 2022
    XPost: free.spam

    No idea what this is about...


    "Commander Kinsey" <CK1@nospam.com> wrote:

    On Tue, 05 Apr 2022 19:58:05 +0100, John Doe <always.look@message.header>
    wrote:

    Nym-shifting troll...

    Odd, you saw him as "John Doe is an idiot", yet I just saw "Idiot". Either
    your newsreader or your brain is deceiving you.

    And stop top posting, you've made everything get snipped as per the --.


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  • From Commander Kinsey@21:1/5 to John Doe on Wed Apr 6 02:31:06 2022
    XPost: free.spam

    On Wed, 06 Apr 2022 02:19:39 +0100, John Doe <always.look@message.header> wrote:

    No idea what this is about...


    "Commander Kinsey" <CK1@nospam.com> wrote:

    On Tue, 05 Apr 2022 19:58:05 +0100, John Doe <always.look@message.header>
    wrote:

    Nym-shifting troll...

    Odd, you saw him as "John Doe is an idiot", yet I just saw "Idiot". Either
    your newsreader or your brain is deceiving you.

    And stop top posting, you've made everything get snipped as per the --.

    So there's an idiot, a John Doe is an idiot, and two John Does?

    And at least two of you can't post at the bottom because well.... you're idiots.

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  • From John Doe@21:1/5 to Commander Kinsey on Wed Apr 6 02:12:44 2022
    I should have been more clear.

    I have no idea and couldn't care less what this is about...



    "Commander Kinsey" <CK1@nospam.com> wrote:

    On Wed, 06 Apr 2022 02:19:39 +0100, John Doe <always.look@message.header>
    wrote:

    No idea what this is about...


    "Commander Kinsey" <CK1@nospam.com> wrote:

    On Tue, 05 Apr 2022 19:58:05 +0100, John Doe
    <always.look@message.header>
    wrote:

    Nym-shifting troll...

    Odd, you saw him as "John Doe is an idiot", yet I just saw "Idiot".
    Either
    your newsreader or your brain is deceiving you.

    And stop top posting, you've made everything get snipped as per the --.

    So there's an idiot, a John Doe is an idiot, and two John Does?

    And at least two of you can't post at the bottom because well.... you're
    idiots.


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  • From Commander Kinsey@21:1/5 to John Doe on Wed Apr 6 03:16:45 2022
    At least you're not American, they say "could care less".


    On Wed, 06 Apr 2022 03:12:44 +0100, John Doe <always.look@message.header> wrote:

    I should have been more clear.

    I have no idea and couldn't care less what this is about...



    "Commander Kinsey" <CK1@nospam.com> wrote:

    On Wed, 06 Apr 2022 02:19:39 +0100, John Doe <always.look@message.header>
    wrote:

    No idea what this is about...


    "Commander Kinsey" <CK1@nospam.com> wrote:

    On Tue, 05 Apr 2022 19:58:05 +0100, John Doe
    <always.look@message.header>
    wrote:

    Nym-shifting troll...

    Odd, you saw him as "John Doe is an idiot", yet I just saw "Idiot".
    Either
    your newsreader or your brain is deceiving you.

    And stop top posting, you've made everything get snipped as per the --.

    So there's an idiot, a John Doe is an idiot, and two John Does?

    And at least two of you can't post at the bottom because well.... you're
    idiots.



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  • From John Doe@21:1/5 to Commander Kinsey on Wed Apr 6 02:33:53 2022
    Get out of my thread.





    "Commander Kinsey" <CK1@nospam.com> wrote:

    At least you're not American, they say "could care less".


    On Wed, 06 Apr 2022 03:12:44 +0100, John Doe <always.look@message.header>
    wrote:

    I should have been more clear.

    I have no idea and couldn't care less what this is about...



    "Commander Kinsey" <CK1@nospam.com> wrote:

    On Wed, 06 Apr 2022 02:19:39 +0100, John Doe
    <always.look@message.header>
    wrote:

    No idea what this is about...


    "Commander Kinsey" <CK1@nospam.com> wrote:

    On Tue, 05 Apr 2022 19:58:05 +0100, John Doe
    <always.look@message.header>
    wrote:

    Nym-shifting troll...

    Odd, you saw him as "John Doe is an idiot", yet I just saw "Idiot".
    Either
    your newsreader or your brain is deceiving you.

    And stop top posting, you've made everything get snipped as per the
    --.

    So there's an idiot, a John Doe is an idiot, and two John Does?

    And at least two of you can't post at the bottom because well.... you're
    idiots.




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  • From Anthony William Sloman@21:1/5 to John Doe on Tue Apr 5 20:00:59 2022
    On Monday, March 28, 2022 at 11:10:27 AM UTC+11, John Doe wrote:
    Sylvia Else wrote:

    John Doe wrote:

    I don't understand why we are putting sanctions on Russia. THE SANCTIONS >> ARE HURTING AMERICANS MORE THAN RUSSIA'S INVASION OF UKRAINE HURT
    AMERICANS. Seems lots of people want to hurt Russia more than they want to >> help their own country.

    See it as evidence that Americans don't just think about themselves.
    That's a positive thing.

    Apparently about 99% of the people who think Ukraine is The Holy Land also hate Donald Trump. I see it as evidence of politics, imperialism, the New World Order, warmongering, passive-aggressiveness, propaganda, etc.

    What's "apparent" to John Doe is what he wants to see. He effectively invents his own evidence because he is too dumb and too idle to engage with real facts.

    People with enough sense not to get suckered by Donald Trump don't hate Trump, they merely despise him.

    Nobody thinks that the Ukraine is any kind of Holy Land - like John Doe's "cannibal leftists" its merely one more of his meaningless rhetorical flourishes.

    --
    Bill Sloman, sydney

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  • From Commander Kinsey@21:1/5 to John Doe on Wed Apr 6 04:24:57 2022
    On Wed, 06 Apr 2022 03:33:53 +0100, John Doe <always.look@message.header> wrote:

    Get out of my thread.





    "Commander Kinsey" <CK1@nospam.com> wrote:

    At least you're not American, they say "could care less".


    On Wed, 06 Apr 2022 03:12:44 +0100, John Doe <always.look@message.header>
    wrote:

    I should have been more clear.

    I have no idea and couldn't care less what this is about...



    "Commander Kinsey" <CK1@nospam.com> wrote:

    On Wed, 06 Apr 2022 02:19:39 +0100, John Doe
    <always.look@message.header>
    wrote:

    No idea what this is about...


    "Commander Kinsey" <CK1@nospam.com> wrote:

    On Tue, 05 Apr 2022 19:58:05 +0100, John Doe
    <always.look@message.header>
    wrote:

    Nym-shifting troll...

    Odd, you saw him as "John Doe is an idiot", yet I just saw "Idiot".
    Either
    your newsreader or your brain is deceiving you.

    And stop top posting, you've made everything get snipped as per the
    --.

    So there's an idiot, a John Doe is an idiot, and two John Does?

    And at least two of you can't post at the bottom because well.... you're >>> idiots.

    Why are you upside down, are you Australian?

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  • From Anthony William Sloman@21:1/5 to Commander Kinsey on Tue Apr 5 21:18:51 2022
    On Wednesday, April 6, 2022 at 1:25:07 PM UTC+10, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Wed, 06 Apr 2022 03:33:53 +0100, John Doe <alway...@message.header> wrote:

    <snip>

    So there's an idiot, a John Doe is an idiot, and two John Does?

    And at least two of you can't post at the bottom because well.... you're >>> idiots.

    Why are you upside down, are you Australian?

    John Doe is an American legal fiction, like Jane Roe. John Doe's problem with top-posting seems to be simple idiocy on his part.
    He's posted excuses for it, but they were all perfectly idiotic. It seems that he can't work out how to use his newsreader to create tidy-looking posts.

    --
    Bill Sloman, Sydney

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  • From John Doe@21:1/5 to Commander Kinsey on Wed Apr 6 05:36:13 2022
    XPost: free.spam

    Regular troll...

    --
    "Commander Kinsey" <CK1@nospam.com> wrote:

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    On Wed, 06 Apr 2022 05:18:51 +0100, Anthony William Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> wrote:

    On Wednesday, April 6, 2022 at 1:25:07 PM UTC+10, Commander Kinsey wrote: >>> On Wed, 06 Apr 2022 03:33:53 +0100, John Doe <alway...@message.header> wrote:

    <snip>

    So there's an idiot, a John Doe is an idiot, and two John Does?

    And at least two of you can't post at the bottom because well.... you're
    idiots.

    Why are you upside down, are you Australian?

    John Doe is an American legal fiction, like Jane Roe. John Doe's problem with top-posting seems to be simple idiocy on his part.
    He's posted excuses for it, but they were all perfectly idiotic. It seems that he can't work out how to use his newsreader to create tidy-looking posts.

    I think I'll just stop bothering to reply to top posters. They're as stupid as religious folk.



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  • From Sjouke Burry@21:1/5 to Commander Kinsey on Wed Apr 6 07:34:36 2022
    On 06.04.22 7:19, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Wed, 06 Apr 2022 05:18:51 +0100, Anthony William Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> wrote:

    On Wednesday, April 6, 2022 at 1:25:07 PM UTC+10, Commander Kinsey wrote: >>> On Wed, 06 Apr 2022 03:33:53 +0100, John Doe <alway...@message.header> wrote:

    <snip>

    So there's an idiot, a John Doe is an idiot, and two John Does?

    And at least two of you can't post at the bottom because well.... you're
    idiots.

    Why are you upside down, are you Australian?

    John Doe is an American legal fiction, like Jane Roe. John Doe's problem with top-posting seems to be simple idiocy on his part.
    He's posted excuses for it, but they were all perfectly idiotic. It seems that he can't work out how to use his newsreader to create tidy-looking posts.

    I think I'll just stop bothering to reply to top posters. They're as stupid as religious folk.

    Thats an insult for all those top posters.
    Tssskk....

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  • From Commander Kinsey@21:1/5 to Anthony William Sloman on Wed Apr 6 06:19:41 2022
    On Wed, 06 Apr 2022 05:18:51 +0100, Anthony William Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> wrote:

    On Wednesday, April 6, 2022 at 1:25:07 PM UTC+10, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Wed, 06 Apr 2022 03:33:53 +0100, John Doe <alway...@message.header> wrote:

    <snip>

    So there's an idiot, a John Doe is an idiot, and two John Does?

    And at least two of you can't post at the bottom because well.... you're
    idiots.

    Why are you upside down, are you Australian?

    John Doe is an American legal fiction, like Jane Roe. John Doe's problem with top-posting seems to be simple idiocy on his part.
    He's posted excuses for it, but they were all perfectly idiotic. It seems that he can't work out how to use his newsreader to create tidy-looking posts.

    I think I'll just stop bothering to reply to top posters. They're as stupid as religious folk.

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  • From John Doe@21:1/5 to All on Wed Apr 6 05:36:48 2022
    Bozo is an Australian clown.


    Bozo Bill Sloman, the most frequent troll in this group, is an attention-craving chronic liar who cannot be reasoned with...

    "the Mueller investigation was about Trump only because Trump made it so"
    (Bozo paraphrased)

    "the concepts "male" and "female" are essentially social constructions"
    (Bill Sloman)

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  • From John Doe@21:1/5 to Sjouke Burry on Wed Apr 6 05:42:06 2022
    Instead of constantly trolling and whining about everything that doesn't
    go its way, maybe it should press the Ignore Thread key?

    I like the audience, but not the whining...


    Sjouke Burry <burrynulnulfour@ppllaanneett.nnll> wrote:

    On 06.04.22 7:19, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Wed, 06 Apr 2022 05:18:51 +0100, Anthony William Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> wrote:

    On Wednesday, April 6, 2022 at 1:25:07 PM UTC+10, Commander Kinsey wrote: >>>> On Wed, 06 Apr 2022 03:33:53 +0100, John Doe <alway...@message.header> wrote:

    <snip>

    So there's an idiot, a John Doe is an idiot, and two John Does? >>>>>>>>
    And at least two of you can't post at the bottom because well.... you're
    idiots.

    Why are you upside down, are you Australian?

    John Doe is an American legal fiction, like Jane Roe. John Doe's problem with top-posting seems to be simple idiocy on his part.
    He's posted excuses for it, but they were all perfectly idiotic. It seems that he can't work out how to use his newsreader to create tidy-looking posts.

    I think I'll just stop bothering to reply to top posters. They're as stupid as religious folk.

    Thats an insult for all those top posters.
    Tssskk....

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  • From Edward Hernandez@21:1/5 to All on Wed Apr 6 05:58:29 2022
    XPost: free.spam

    The John Doe troll stated the following in message-id <sdhn7c$pkp$4@dont-email.me>:

    The troll doesn't even know how to format a USENET post...

    And the John Doe troll stated the following in message-id <sg3kr7$qt5$1@dont-email.me>:

    The reason Bozo cannot figure out how to get Google to keep from
    breaking its lines in inappropriate places is because Bozo is
    CLUELESS...

    And yet, the clueless John Doe troll has continued to post incorrectly formatted USENET articles that are devoid of content (latest example on
    Wed, 6 Apr 2022 05:36:13 -0000 (UTC) in message-id <t2j8sd$25s$1@dont-email.me>).

    NOBODY likes the John Doe troll's contentless spam.

    Further, John Doe stated the following in message-id <svsh05$lbh$5@dont-email.me> posted Fri, 4 Mar 2022 08:01:09 -0000
    (UTC):

    Compared to other regulars, Bozo contributes practically nothing
    except insults to this group.

    Yet, since Wed, 5 Jan 2022 04:10:38 -0000 (UTC) John Doe's post ratio to
    USENET has been 52.6% of its posts contributing "nothing except insults"
    to USENET.

    This posting is a public service announcement for any google groups
    readers who happen by to point out that the John Doe troll does not even
    follow the rules it uses to troll other posters.

    oO986uHPWWDv

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  • From DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno@decadenc@21:1/5 to Commander Kinsey on Wed Apr 6 05:43:37 2022
    "Commander Kinsey" <CK1@nospam.com> wrote in
    news:op.1j4wvefomvhs6z@ryzen.lan:

    It passes on more than you think. It's even been shown you can
    pass on things you've created after you were born. For example an
    athlete who trains a lot passes on that extra ability to his kids.

    You are so stupid. Most certainly passed on to you by your also
    stupid pathetic parents. After all your mother did fail to flush you
    the moment she shat you.

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  • From Commander Kinsey@21:1/5 to Commander Kinsey on Wed Apr 6 07:18:55 2022
    XPost: free.spam

    Regular troll...

    --
    "Commander Kinsey" <CK1@nospam.com> wrote:

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    On Wed, 06 Apr 2022 05:18:51 +0100, Anthony William Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> wrote:

    On Wednesday, April 6, 2022 at 1:25:07 PM UTC+10, Commander Kinsey wrote: >>> On Wed, 06 Apr 2022 03:33:53 +0100, John Doe <alway...@message.header> wrote:

    <snip>

    So there's an idiot, a John Doe is an idiot, and two John Does?

    And at least two of you can't post at the bottom because well.... you're
    idiots.

    Why are you upside down, are you Australian?

    John Doe is an American legal fiction, like Jane Roe. John Doe's problem with top-posting seems to be simple idiocy on his part.
    He's posted excuses for it, but they were all perfectly idiotic. It seems that he can't work out how to use his newsreader to create tidy-looking posts.
    I think I'll just stop bothering to reply to top posters. They're as stupid as religious folk.

    You don't seem to have typed anything.

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  • From Commander Kinsey@21:1/5 to Anthony William Sloman on Wed Apr 6 07:19:30 2022
    On Tue, 05 Apr 2022 06:11:29 +0100, Anthony William Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> wrote:

    On Tuesday, April 5, 2022 at 2:17:35 PM UTC+10, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Tue, 05 Apr 2022 05:06:12 +0100, whit3rd <whi...@gmail.com> wrote:
    On Sunday, April 3, 2022 at 5:04:29 PM UTC-7, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Sun, 03 Apr 2022 08:56:14 +0100, Anthony William Sloman <bill....@ieee.org> wrote:
    On Sunday, April 3, 2022 at 1:24:40 PM UTC+10, Commander Kinsey wrote: >> >
    Bullshit. If the kids are clever, it's because they got the clever genes from their parents, which means their parents will be rich too.

    It doesn't work that way. You might read "Blueprint" by Robert Plombin to get some idea of how it does work.

    https://www.amazon.com/Blueprint-How-DNA-Makes-Press/dp/0262039168
    I know how it works from experience and how genetics works. You pass on everything - intelligence, height, health, etc.

    That's not knowledge, it's prejudice. Inheritance does NOT pass on all the phenotype of parents to their offspring. Genetics wasn't your strong subject, I suspect.

    It passes on more than you think. It's even been shown you can pass on things you've created after you were born. For example an athlete who trains a lot passes on that extra ability to his kids.

    That's epigenetics. It doesn't get passed on to the grand-kids. Intellectual effort may change methylation levels in particular genes in the brain - not that I've ever seen any evidence suggesting that it might - but the brain is lot further from the
    gonads than the leg and hip muscles.

    If you could think you might be aware of this.

    If you could think you would realise the physical distance from the gonads is irrelevant.

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  • From Commander Kinsey@21:1/5 to Anthony William Sloman on Wed Apr 6 07:22:36 2022
    On Tue, 05 Apr 2022 12:10:56 +0100, Anthony William Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> wrote:

    On Tuesday, April 5, 2022 at 5:00:01 PM UTC+10, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Tue, 05 Apr 2022 07:56:20 +0100, whit3rd <whi...@gmail.com> wrote:
    On Monday, April 4, 2022 at 9:16:30 PM UTC-7, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Mon, 04 Apr 2022 09:08:54 +0100, Anthony William Sloman <bill....@ieee.org> wrote:
    On Monday, April 4, 2022 at 4:16:33 PM UTC+10, Commander Kinsey wrote: >> >
    So you admit that after you get symptoms you can pass it on, we're getting there. Now consider your vaccination is hiding those symptoms from you.

    That's not an 'admission' at all, just common knowledge.
    Vaccinations are not concealments.

    Of course they are, they reduce symptoms, meaning you're less likely to know you're infectious, so give it to more people.

    But less likely to catch in the first place,

    There's no evidence of this.

    and likely to stay infectious for a shorter period,

    Or this.

    so give it to fewer people.

    Less you posh twat.

    And vaccination doesn't "reduce symptoms".

    So what's it for then?

    Some people who are vaccinated and yet get infected do exhibit symptoms. A few of them die.

    So the vaccine is broken. Would you buy a car that could kill you?

    What vaccination against Covid-19 does is to prime your immune system to react faster to a Covid-19 infection, often fast enough to stop it in it's tracks. It's less likely to progress far enough for you to experience symptoms, which might be seen as "
    concealing the symptoms" but 30% of Covid19 infections of the unvaccinated are asymptomatic - the infection never gets far enough to produce symptoms, though it can progress far enough to let you infect other people.

    So a marginal improvement, what a waste of time and money all that research was.

    Of course "fewer" and "more" imply some reference condition, which you haven't specified

    People unvaccinated obviously, do keep up at the back.

    I've explicitly considered it above. You do seem to be an idiot. Try not to advertise the fact.

    I see no evidence of this. I'll make it simple for you:
    Mr Smith is not vaccinated, he gets covid, he goes to bed. He maybe met a few folk before he felt ill.
    ... so?
    Mr Jones is vaccinated, he gets covid, he feels a little off, so meets more people before deciding to isolate.
    ... and since he is representative of his local population., those people are probably vaccinated.

    Why would everyone in a local population have the same views?

    Most of them will.

    Answer the question. Do you know what the word why means?

    Mr Foster is vaccinated and gets no symptoms, and meets hundred of people. He kills a shitload of them. The vaccine caused these deaths.

    Vaccination that causes 'no symptoms' also presumably lessens the infectious period. So, vaccinated or not,
    that can happen, and 'He kills' is wrong because only a few will get the disease, most are (like Mr. Foster) vaccinated.
    Vaccination in Foster implies probable vaccination of his cohort of neighbors.

    There's a branching tree, with vaccination near the trunk, but that doesn't make it the cause of all the elements
    on its fork. It does, however, change the number of fatalities, and the 'simple' analysis does not allow any such
    conclusions as "The vaccine caused those deaths", nor even that the vaccine caused any recoveries. It's
    too simple, thus is inconclusive.

    Drawing silly tree pictures doesn't negate simple facts.

    You idea of what constitute "simple facts" are like Flyguy's. You leave out the bits that don't suit your argument.

    You overcomplicate things to make yourself sound intelligent. Get into politics, you'd do well there.

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  • From Commander Kinsey@21:1/5 to Anthony William Sloman on Wed Apr 6 07:23:31 2022
    On Tue, 05 Apr 2022 15:18:29 +0100, Anthony William Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> wrote:

    On Tuesday, April 5, 2022 at 10:12:24 PM UTC+10, John Doe wrote:
    whit3rd <whi...@gmail.com> wrote:
    Commander Kinsey wrote:

    I know how it works from experience and how genetics works. You pass on >> >> everything - intelligence, height, health, etc.

    That's not knowledge, it's prejudice.

    Says an ignorant cannibal leftist.

    John Doe is an ignorant rightist

    Right wing = common sense and freedom. Left wing = thievery. I have no interest in speaking to you any more.

    [NO CARRIER]

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  • From Commander Kinsey@21:1/5 to John Doe on Wed Apr 6 07:24:26 2022
    On Tue, 05 Apr 2022 13:12:17 +0100, John Doe <always.look@message.header> wrote:

    whit3rd <whit3rd@gmail.com> wrote:

    Commander Kinsey wrote:

    I know how it works from experience and how genetics works. You pass on
    everything - intelligence, height, health, etc.

    That's not knowledge, it's prejudice.

    Says an ignorant cannibal leftist.

    We certainly do not inherit wisdom, clearly shown by the difference
    between George Bush Senior and George Bush Junior.

    So this John Doe posts at the bottom? How many of you are there?

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  • From John Doe@21:1/5 to Edward Hernandez on Wed Apr 6 07:16:44 2022
    XPost: free.spam

    Poor liddle Eddie got spanked and just can't get over it.

    Unless Eddie is nym-shifting, it has never posted anything NORMAL
    except when it got a severe spanking...

    https://groups.google.com/g/sci.electronics.repair/c/MesPLcGU4BE

    Is the stalker a nym-shifting troll, or a newbie netcop wannabe?

    See also...
    Peter Weiner <dtgamer99@gmail.com>
    Edward H. <dtgamer99@gmail.com>
    Edward Hernandez <dtgamer99@gmail.com>

    Eddie is an example for all newbies. Don't get spanked!

    Spanked Eddie...

    --
    Edward Hernandez <dtgamer99@gmail.com> wrote:

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    Subject: Re: OT: Sanctions
    Newsgroups: sci.electronics.design,free.spam
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    The John Doe troll stated the following in message-id <sdhn7c$pkp$4@dont-email.me>:

    The troll doesn't even know how to format a USENET post...

    And the John Doe troll stated the following in message-id <sg3kr7$qt5$1@dont-email.me>:

    The reason Bozo cannot figure out how to get Google to keep from
    breaking its lines in inappropriate places is because Bozo is
    CLUELESS...

    And yet, the clueless John Doe troll has continued to post incorrectly formatted USENET articles that are devoid of content (latest example on
    Wed, 6 Apr 2022 05:36:13 -0000 (UTC) in message-id <t2j8sd$25s$1@dont-email.me>).

    NOBODY likes the John Doe troll's contentless spam.

    Further, John Doe stated the following in message-id <svsh05$lbh$5@dont-email.me> posted Fri, 4 Mar 2022 08:01:09 -0000
    (UTC):

    Compared to other regulars, Bozo contributes practically nothing
    except insults to this group.

    Yet, since Wed, 5 Jan 2022 04:10:38 -0000 (UTC) John Doe's post ratio to USENET has been 52.6% of its posts contributing "nothing except insults"
    to USENET.

    This posting is a public service announcement for any google groups
    readers who happen by to point out that the John Doe troll does not even follow the rules it uses to troll other posters.

    oO986uHPWWDv




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  • From Anthony William Sloman@21:1/5 to John Doe on Wed Apr 6 00:21:14 2022
    On Wednesday, April 6, 2022 at 3:42:12 PM UTC+10, John Doe wrote:
    Instead of constantly trolling and whining about everything that doesn't
    go its way, maybe it should press the Ignore Thread key?

    I like the audience, but not the whining...
    Sjouke Burry <burrynu...@ppllaanneett.nnll> wrote:

    On 06.04.22 7:19, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Wed, 06 Apr 2022 05:18:51 +0100, Anthony William Sloman <bill....@ieee.org> wrote:

    On Wednesday, April 6, 2022 at 1:25:07 PM UTC+10, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Wed, 06 Apr 2022 03:33:53 +0100, John Doe <alway...@message.header> wrote:

    <snip>

    So there's an idiot, a John Doe is an idiot, and two John Does? >>>>>>>>
    And at least two of you can't post at the bottom because well.... you're
    idiots.

    Why are you upside down, are you Australian?

    John Doe is an American legal fiction, like Jane Roe. John Doe's problem with top-posting seems to be simple idiocy on his part.
    He's posted excuses for it, but they were all perfectly idiotic. It seems that he can't work out how to use his newsreader to create tidy-looking posts.

    I think I'll just stop bothering to reply to top posters. They're as stupid as religious folk.

    That's an insult to all those top posters. Tssskk....

    Instead of constantly trolling and whining about everything that doesn't go its way, maybe it should press the Ignore Thread key?

    John Doe doesn't enjoy having his idiocy called out,

    I like the audience, but not the whining...

    Sadly, the audience doesn't like you - with good reason. If you want more positive responses you need to improve your performance. Whining about your performance reviews isn't a constructive response, but it does seem to be all that you can manage, and
    you aren't even all that good about creating new and potentially interesting whines, whence the tedious repetition of whines recycled from other threads.

    --
    Bill Sloman, Sydney

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  • From Commander Kinsey@21:1/5 to Clive Arthur on Wed Apr 6 08:19:39 2022
    XPost: alt.usage.english

    On Tue, 05 Apr 2022 14:21:58 +0100, Clive Arthur <clive@nowaytoday.co.uk> wrote:

    On 29/03/2022 18:56, Commander Kinsey wrote:

    <snip>

    If I was a Russian I'd stand by Putin. What's wrong with taking back a
    nation that once belonged to you, one full of such rich resources?

    My Sister might know, she lives in Anchorage. Alaska and see what she thinks.

    It's not even properly joined to the USA. Give it to Canada or something.

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  • From Anthony William Sloman@21:1/5 to Commander Kinsey on Wed Apr 6 00:23:25 2022
    On Wednesday, April 6, 2022 at 4:19:40 PM UTC+10, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Tue, 05 Apr 2022 06:11:29 +0100, Anthony William Sloman <bill....@ieee.org> wrote:

    On Tuesday, April 5, 2022 at 2:17:35 PM UTC+10, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Tue, 05 Apr 2022 05:06:12 +0100, whit3rd <whi...@gmail.com> wrote:
    On Sunday, April 3, 2022 at 5:04:29 PM UTC-7, Commander Kinsey wrote: >> >> On Sun, 03 Apr 2022 08:56:14 +0100, Anthony William Sloman <bill....@ieee.org> wrote:
    On Sunday, April 3, 2022 at 1:24:40 PM UTC+10, Commander Kinsey wrote:

    Bullshit. If the kids are clever, it's because they got the clever genes from their parents, which means their parents will be rich too.

    It doesn't work that way. You might read "Blueprint" by Robert Plombin to get some idea of how it does work.

    https://www.amazon.com/Blueprint-How-DNA-Makes-Press/dp/0262039168 >> >> I know how it works from experience and how genetics works. You pass on everything - intelligence, height, health, etc.

    That's not knowledge, it's prejudice. Inheritance does NOT pass on all the phenotype of parents to their offspring. Genetics wasn't your strong subject, I suspect.

    It passes on more than you think. It's even been shown you can pass on things you've created after you were born. For example an athlete who trains a lot passes on that extra ability to his kids.

    That's epigenetics. It doesn't get passed on to the grand-kids. Intellectual effort may change methylation levels in particular genes in the brain - not that I've ever seen any evidence suggesting that it might - but the brain is lot further from the
    gonads than the leg and hip muscles.

    If you could think you might be aware of this.

    If you could think you would realise the physical distance from the gonads is irrelevant.

    If I was as bad at thinking as you are, I might make that mistake.

    --
    Bill Sloman, Sydney

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  • From Edward Hernandez@21:1/5 to All on Wed Apr 6 07:26:58 2022
    XPost: free.spam

    The John Doe troll stated the following in message-id <sdhn7c$pkp$4@dont-email.me>:

    The troll doesn't even know how to format a USENET post...

    And the John Doe troll stated the following in message-id <sg3kr7$qt5$1@dont-email.me>:

    The reason Bozo cannot figure out how to get Google to keep from
    breaking its lines in inappropriate places is because Bozo is
    CLUELESS...

    And yet, the clueless John Doe troll has itself posted yet another
    incorrectly formatted USENET posting on Wed, 6 Apr 2022 07:16:44 -0000
    (UTC) in message-id <t2jeos$sb$2@dont-email.me>.

    Further, Troll Doe stated the following in message-id <svsh05$lbh$5@dont-email.me> posted Fri, 4 Mar 2022 08:01:09 -0000
    (UTC):

    Compared to other regulars, Bozo contributes practically nothing
    except insults to this group.

    Yet, since Wed, 5 Jan 2022 04:10:38 -0000 (UTC) Troll Doe's post ratio
    to USENET has been 52.6% of its posts contributing "nothing except
    insults" to USENET.

    8v9ytUeyWabo

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  • From Anthony William Sloman@21:1/5 to Commander Kinsey on Wed Apr 6 00:57:17 2022
    On Wednesday, April 6, 2022 at 4:22:46 PM UTC+10, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Tue, 05 Apr 2022 12:10:56 +0100, Anthony William Sloman <bill....@ieee.org> wrote:
    On Tuesday, April 5, 2022 at 5:00:01 PM UTC+10, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Tue, 05 Apr 2022 07:56:20 +0100, whit3rd <whi...@gmail.com> wrote:
    On Monday, April 4, 2022 at 9:16:30 PM UTC-7, Commander Kinsey wrote: >> >> On Mon, 04 Apr 2022 09:08:54 +0100, Anthony William Sloman <bill....@ieee.org> wrote:
    On Monday, April 4, 2022 at 4:16:33 PM UTC+10, Commander Kinsey wrote:

    So you admit that after you get symptoms you can pass it on, we're getting there. Now consider your vaccination is hiding those symptoms from you.

    That's not an 'admission' at all, just common knowledge.
    Vaccinations are not concealments.

    Of course they are, they reduce symptoms, meaning you're less likely to know you're infectious, so give it to more people.

    But less likely to catch in the first place,

    There's no evidence of this.

    There's bucket loads of evidence.

    https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa2118691

    and likely to stay infectious for a shorter period,

    Or this.

    And for that too.

    so give it to fewer people.

    Less you posh twat.

    And vaccination doesn't "reduce symptoms".

    So what's it for then?

    You will never know and if you did find out, you wouldn't admit it. I did spell it out a bit later in my response, but you don't seem to have got the message.

    Some people who are vaccinated and yet get infected do exhibit symptoms. A few of them die.

    So the vaccine is broken. Would you buy a car that could kill you?

    What vaccination against Covid-19 does is to prime your immune system to react faster to a Covid-19 infection, often fast enough to stop it in it's tracks. It's less likely to progress far enough for you to experience symptoms, which might be seen as
    "concealing the symptoms" but 30% of Covid19 infections of the unvaccinated are asymptomatic - the infection never gets far enough to produce symptoms, though it can progress far enough to let you infect other people.

    So a marginal improvement, what a waste of time and money all that research was.

    You are about five times less likely to need to go to hospital if you get infected with Covid-19, and you are less likely to get infected in the first place.

    That's a substantial improvement on not being vaccinated, but somebody like you who can't - or won't - do quantitative thinking is happy to ignore it.

    Of course "fewer" and "more" imply some reference condition, which you haven't specified

    People unvaccinated obviously, do keep up at the back.

    I've explicitly considered it above. You do seem to be an idiot. Try not to advertise the fact.

    I see no evidence of this. I'll make it simple for you:
    Mr Smith is not vaccinated, he gets covid, he goes to bed. He maybe met a few folk before he felt ill.
    ... so?
    Mr Jones is vaccinated, he gets covid, he feels a little off, so meets more people before deciding to isolate.
    ... and since he is representative of his local population., those people are probably vaccinated.

    Why would everyone in a local population have the same views?

    Most of them will.

    Answer the question. Do you know what the word why means?

    Sure. You want an explanation that is simple enough for you to follow. People in a local population interact and most of them latch onto the consensus opinion.
    You won't, so you don't like the idea.

    Mr Foster is vaccinated and gets no symptoms, and meets hundred of people. He kills a shitload of them. The vaccine caused these deaths.

    Vaccination that causes 'no symptoms' also presumably lessens the infectious period. So, vaccinated or not,
    that can happen, and 'He kills' is wrong because only a few will get the disease, most are (like Mr. Foster) vaccinated.
    Vaccination in Foster implies probable vaccination of his cohort of neighbors.

    There's a branching tree, with vaccination near the trunk, but that doesn't make it the cause of all the elements
    on its fork. It does, however, change the number of fatalities, and the 'simple' analysis does not allow any such
    conclusions as "The vaccine caused those deaths", nor even that the vaccine caused any recoveries. It's
    too simple, thus is inconclusive.

    Drawing silly tree pictures doesn't negate simple facts.

    You idea of what constitute "simple facts" are like Flyguy's. You leave out the bits that don't suit your argument.

    You over-complicate things to make yourself sound intelligent.

    I'm quite intelligent enough not to over-complicate things. Oversimple explanations don't work. Getting a realistic explanation that is complicated enough to capture what is actually happening is what intelligent people do. As H.L. Mencken pointed out "
    Explanations exist; they have existed for all time; there is always a well-known solution to every human problem—neat, plausible, and wrong." People like you do like them.

    Get into politics, you'd do well there.

    It seems unlikely that I'd do well. Politics attracts a lot of idiots like you, and suffering fools gladly is a necessary skill - one that I lack.

    --
    Bill Sloman, Sydney

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  • From DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno@decadenc@21:1/5 to Commander Kinsey on Wed Apr 6 13:01:58 2022
    "Commander Kinsey" <CK1@nospam.com> wrote in
    news:op.1j57ajl7mvhs6z@ryzen.lan:

    On Tue, 05 Apr 2022 17:02:36 +0100, Ed Lee
    <edward.ming.lee@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Tuesday, April 5, 2022 at 8:55:17 AM UTC-7, John Doe wrote:
    THIS THREAD IS OFFICIALLY CLOSED

    BY WHOM?

    Posh twat, most people say who.


    You are a total retard. You have no clue of ANY fact regarding "most people".

    John Dope and you are officially self retarded idiots.

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  • From John Doe@21:1/5 to All on Wed Apr 6 21:12:50 2022
    I wasn't talking to Bozo!


    Bozo Bill Sloman, the most frequent troll in this group, is an attention-craving chronic liar who cannot be reasoned with...

    "the Mueller investigation was about Trump only because Trump made it so"
    (Bozo paraphrased)

    "the concepts "male" and "female" are essentially social constructions"
    (Bill Sloman)

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  • From John Doe@21:1/5 to Commander Kinsey on Wed Apr 6 21:27:38 2022
    XPost: free.spam

    This regular troll added the group (alt.usage.english)...

    --
    "Commander Kinsey" <CK1@nospam.com> wrote:

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    On Tue, 29 Mar 2022 07:44:52 +0100, <DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno@decadence.org> wrote:

    "Commander Kinsey" <CK1@nospam.com> wrote in
    news:op.1jpr0gpcmvhs6z@ryzen.lan:

    Or just go after the guy that did it?

    Then wake the nine out of ten Russians "you know"

    Putting that in quotes is meaningless. And you split an infinitive.

    the fuck up and
    tell them to take back control of their nation, by going after they guy
    AND the parliament that did it. You know... the State Duma and The
    Russian Federation. As well as the head of the snake. Then STAND DOWN
    your military hardware and your nuke inventory. It really is that
    simple. Otherwise...

    If I was a Russian I'd stand by Putin. What's wrong with taking back a nation that once belonged to you, one full of such rich resources?

    You and your brother are dumber than dogshit and I would take you and
    the building you were both in out. But only if you were the only two
    in it. After all, you sully the human gene pool, Kinsey.

    Then persuade your silly "Western Civilization" to take military action instead of your girly little sanctions. It really is funny to watch.


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  • From Edward Hernandez@21:1/5 to All on Wed Apr 6 21:28:03 2022
    XPost: free.spam

    The John Doe troll stated the following in message-id <sdhn7c$pkp$4@dont-email.me>:

    The troll doesn't even know how to format a USENET post...

    And the John Doe troll stated the following in message-id <sg3kr7$qt5$1@dont-email.me>:

    The reason Bozo cannot figure out how to get Google to keep from
    breaking its lines in inappropriate places is because Bozo is
    CLUELESS...

    And yet, the clueless John Doe troll has continued to post incorrectly formatted USENET articles that are devoid of content (latest example on
    Wed, 6 Apr 2022 21:27:38 -0000 (UTC) in message-id <t2l0k9$v2h$2@dont-email.me>).

    NOBODY likes the John Doe troll's contentless spam.

    Further, Troll Doe stated the following in message-id <svsh05$lbh$5@dont-email.me> posted Fri, 4 Mar 2022 08:01:09 -0000
    (UTC):

    Compared to other regulars, Bozo contributes practically nothing
    except insults to this group.

    Yet, since Wed, 5 Jan 2022 04:10:38 -0000 (UTC) Troll Doe's post ratio
    to USENET has been 57.5% of its posts contributing "nothing except
    insults" to USENET.

    This posting is a public service announcement for any google groups
    readers who happen by to point out that the John Doe troll does not even
    follow the rules it uses to troll other posters.

    fOmfY+G81VFd

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  • From John Doe@21:1/5 to All on Wed Apr 6 21:31:17 2022
    For anyone who has time to do the research...

    Since the Cold War ended, after Russia gave up Ukraine and many other
    border countries, the MILITARY organization NATO has been expanding
    eastward to those former Russian border countries.

    The only truthful argument is "Russia is EVIL and needs to be exterminated".

    In my opinion, even that doesn't fly. Even a convicted serial rapist and
    mass murderer sitting in jail has a right to defend himself (or herself).

    Self-defense is a basic right. Ukraine is within 200 miles from Moscow.
    We would not allow any hostile military organization into Mexico or
    Canada.

    Only someone who is geographically and historically challenged, or someone
    who is corrupt, would not see Russia's security interests in the
    Russia-Ukraine issue. It's obvious to anyone with their eyes open. Unfortunately, many people are wearing imperialist warmonger blinders.

    The scent of war surrounds them and penetrates them, it binds them
    together. War, even war halfway around the globe, unites political parties
    like nothing else.



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    by the regular troll "Commander Kinsey" <CK1@nospam.com>.

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  • From Edward Hernandez@21:1/5 to All on Wed Apr 6 21:36:18 2022
    XPost: free.spam

    The John Doe troll stated the following in message-id <sdhn7c$pkp$4@dont-email.me>:

    The troll doesn't even know how to format a USENET post...

    And the John Doe troll stated the following in message-id <sg3kr7$qt5$1@dont-email.me>:

    The reason Bozo cannot figure out how to get Google to keep from
    breaking its lines in inappropriate places is because Bozo is
    CLUELESS...

    And yet, the clueless John Doe troll has continued to post incorrectly formatted USENET articles that are devoid of content (latest example on
    Wed, 6 Apr 2022 21:36:05 -0000 (UTC) in message-id <t2l144$v2h$4@dont-email.me>).

    NOBODY likes the John Doe troll's contentless spam.

    Further, Troll Doe stated the following in message-id <svsh05$lbh$5@dont-email.me> posted Fri, 4 Mar 2022 08:01:09 -0000
    (UTC):

    Compared to other regulars, Bozo contributes practically nothing
    except insults to this group.

    Yet, since Wed, 5 Jan 2022 04:10:38 -0000 (UTC) Troll Doe's post ratio
    to USENET has been 57.5% of its posts contributing "nothing except
    insults" to USENET.

    This posting is a public service announcement for any google groups
    readers who happen by to point out that the John Doe troll does not even
    follow the rules it uses to troll other posters.

    EgRvTW1KU9dN

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  • From John Doe@21:1/5 to Peeler on Wed Apr 6 21:36:05 2022
    XPost: free.spam

    Likely nym-shifting, a flailing troll that regularly changes the subject line...


    --
    Peeler <trolltrap@valid.invalid> wrote:

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    On Tue, 05 Apr 2022 17:02:36 -0700, John Larkin, yet another mentally deficient troll-feeding senile idiot, babbled:


    If you bought my wife I'd try to take her back. What's your point again?

    Would you sell her? How much?

    Yeah, that's the right way: answer a KNOWN clinically insane troll's "questions" and make him come back time and again! <tsk>


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  • From whit3rd@21:1/5 to John Doe on Wed Apr 6 14:55:18 2022
    On Wednesday, April 6, 2022 at 2:31:24 PM UTC-7, John Doe wrote:
    For anyone who has time to do the research...

    Since the Cold War ended, after Russia gave up Ukraine and many other
    border countries, the MILITARY organization NATO has been expanding
    eastward to those former Russian border countries.

    Nonsense, starting with 'Russia gave up'; Ukraine has its own
    government, was under USSR for a while, but not Russia. The
    various border countries ditto have their own governments.
    Only Russian government answers to Putin.

    NATO is not a nation, but its members are nations with borders.
    None of those borders moved when membership in NATO changed.
    Putin's Russia is killing people to move borders.

    Only someone who is geographically and historically challenged, or someone who is corrupt, would not see Russia's security interests in the Russia-Ukraine issue. It's obvious to anyone with their eyes open. Unfortunately, many people are wearing imperialist warmonger blinders.

    It seems that only nobles like John Doe can see the emperor's new clothes.

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  • From John Larkin@21:1/5 to All on Wed Apr 6 15:27:50 2022
    On Wed, 6 Apr 2022 14:55:18 -0700 (PDT), whit3rd <whit3rd@gmail.com>
    wrote:

    On Wednesday, April 6, 2022 at 2:31:24 PM UTC-7, John Doe wrote:
    For anyone who has time to do the research...

    Since the Cold War ended, after Russia gave up Ukraine and many other
    border countries, the MILITARY organization NATO has been expanding
    eastward to those former Russian border countries.

    Nonsense, starting with 'Russia gave up'; Ukraine has its own
    government, was under USSR for a while, but not Russia. The
    various border countries ditto have their own governments.
    Only Russian government answers to Putin.

    NATO is not a nation, but its members are nations with borders.
    None of those borders moved when membership in NATO changed.
    Putin's Russia is killing people to move borders.


    NATO was a reaction to the USSR seizure of a bunch of small countries
    at the end of WWII, not to mention half of Germany.

    We could have had a peaceful prosperous europe with Russia included,
    and a nuke-free world, but the Soviets wouldn't have either. They
    couldn't allow their people to be tempted by enlightment democracies,
    so they machine-gunned anybody who tried to leave.



    --

    If a man will begin with certainties, he shall end with doubts,
    but if he will be content to begin with doubts he shall end in certainties. Francis Bacon

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  • From Ed Lee@21:1/5 to All on Wed Apr 6 15:29:40 2022
    On Wednesday, April 6, 2022 at 2:55:22 PM UTC-7, whit3rd wrote:
    On Wednesday, April 6, 2022 at 2:31:24 PM UTC-7, John Doe wrote:
    For anyone who has time to do the research...

    Since the Cold War ended, after Russia gave up Ukraine and many other border countries, the MILITARY organization NATO has been expanding eastward to those former Russian border countries.
    Nonsense, starting with 'Russia gave up'; Ukraine has its own
    government, was under USSR for a while, but not Russia. The
    various border countries ditto have their own governments.
    Only Russian government answers to Putin.

    Well, in analogy, EU don't want UK to leave and should invade UK UK has no right to be independent.

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  • From Commander Kinsey@21:1/5 to whit3rd@gmail.com on Thu Apr 7 00:21:26 2022
    On Wed, 06 Apr 2022 22:55:18 +0100, whit3rd <whit3rd@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Wednesday, April 6, 2022 at 2:31:24 PM UTC-7, John Doe wrote:
    For anyone who has time to do the research...

    Since the Cold War ended, after Russia gave up Ukraine and many other
    border countries, the MILITARY organization NATO has been expanding
    eastward to those former Russian border countries.

    Nonsense, starting with 'Russia gave up'; Ukraine has its own
    government, was under USSR for a while, but not Russia. The
    various border countries ditto have their own governments.
    Only Russian government answers to Putin.

    NATO is not a nation, but its members are nations with borders.
    None of those borders moved when membership in NATO changed.
    Putin's Russia is killing people to move borders.

    NATO is a pest, they're the ones making war everywhere.

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  • From whit3rd@21:1/5 to Ed Lee on Wed Apr 6 16:23:27 2022
    On Wednesday, April 6, 2022 at 3:29:44 PM UTC-7, Ed Lee wrote:
    On Wednesday, April 6, 2022 at 2:55:22 PM UTC-7, whit3rd wrote:

    ... Ukraine has its own
    government, was under USSR for a while, but not Russia. The
    various border countries ditto have their own governments.
    Only Russian government answers to Putin.

    Well, in analogy, EU don't want UK to leave and should invade UK UK has no right to be independent.

    Nonsense, of course; EU agreements in place are treaties, and always DID specify the UK right to leave. We don't do international
    relations by analogies, we do it by other instruments (treaties, laws,
    UN declarations, etc.).

    As for 'don't want UK to leave', where did that impression come from?
    The UK vote says there was some difference of opinion, but that's hardly
    a measure of EU sentiment (if EU can be said to have sentiment).

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  • From whit3rd@21:1/5 to Commander Kinsey on Wed Apr 6 16:27:24 2022
    On Wednesday, April 6, 2022 at 4:21:39 PM UTC-7, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Wed, 06 Apr 2022 22:55:18 +0100, whit3rd <whi...@gmail.com> wrote:

    Putin's Russia is killing people to move borders.

    NATO is a pest, they're the ones making war everywhere.

    No, mosquitos are a pest; Putin is an imperialist and warmonger.
    NATO is none of those (and CK obviously cannot identify
    the NATO entity with any clarity).

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  • From Commander Kinsey@21:1/5 to whit3rd@gmail.com on Thu Apr 7 00:27:23 2022
    On Thu, 07 Apr 2022 00:23:27 +0100, whit3rd <whit3rd@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Wednesday, April 6, 2022 at 3:29:44 PM UTC-7, Ed Lee wrote:
    On Wednesday, April 6, 2022 at 2:55:22 PM UTC-7, whit3rd wrote:

    ... Ukraine has its own
    government, was under USSR for a while, but not Russia. The
    various border countries ditto have their own governments.
    Only Russian government answers to Putin.