• all electric cars in europe

    From jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com@21:1/5 to All on Fri Mar 18 09:03:33 2022
    https://www.breitbart.com/europe/2022/03/18/great-reset-germany-wants-eu-ban-on-sale-of-petrol-and-diesel-cars-by-2035/


    I wonder where the electricity will come from. Large-scale generating
    and distribution systems take a long time to build. And need fuel.





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  • From Rickster@21:1/5 to jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com on Fri Mar 18 09:22:56 2022
    On Friday, March 18, 2022 at 12:03:43 PM UTC-4, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
    https://www.breitbart.com/europe/2022/03/18/great-reset-germany-wants-eu-ban-on-sale-of-petrol-and-diesel-cars-by-2035/


    I wonder where the electricity will come from. Large-scale generating
    and distribution systems take a long time to build. And need fuel.


    I suppose you stand by a river and wonder where the water comes from, or stand by train tracks and wonder where the trains come from.

    As everyone else here understands already, we have a great deal of under utilized electrical generation in most parts of the world. In addition we are adding both wind and solar power generation.

    While the under informed are predicting massive lithium shortages, I'm not seeing anyone predicting shortages of electric generation.

    Here are some numbers if the math is not too much for you. The average miles driven in the US is 14,000 a year. That's about 38 miles per day or 9.5 kWh using 4 miles/kWh as a typical BEV consumption. I can plug my BEV into a 120V outlet for less than
    10 hours a night to charge this much. Yeah, at night when the electrical generating capacity is very, very underutilized.

    What's even better about charging BEVs, is the fact that, to use the term which is applied to generation that is started up quickly, BEV charging is dispatchable, in this case meaning the charge time is typically flexible. Driving 40 miles a day means
    your battery will hold up for a number of days, allowing you to postpone charging until renewable power is in excess supply or the prices are low. I expect a means of coordinating charging with the availability of power will become the norm, no matter
    where you are plugged in. You will tell your car your expected driving for the next few days and the car will work to accommodate that. We may find this turns into an electronic auction yielding low prices for consumers and evening out the electrical
    demand for the suppliers.

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  • From Jan Panteltje@21:1/5 to jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com on Fri Mar 18 16:25:55 2022
    On a sunny day (Fri, 18 Mar 2022 09:03:33 -0700) it happened jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote in <q2b93hdrktcvjl33sid25tbbboff7s2cho@4ax.com>:


    https://www.breitbart.com/europe/2022/03/18/great-reset-germany-wants-eu-ban-on-sale-of-petrol-and-diesel-cars-by-2035/


    I wonder where the electricity will come from. Large-scale generating
    and distribution systems take a long time to build. And need fuel.

    Northstream2 will work by that time ?

    was watching Russian TV and I did see / feel a sense of unity there that I do not - and have
    not seen in the US in ages.
    Think US is all over, just last bits of noise from a dying empire.

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  • From bitrex@21:1/5 to jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com on Fri Mar 18 12:50:22 2022
    On 3/18/2022 12:03 PM, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:

    https://www.breitbart.com/europe/2022/03/18/great-reset-germany-wants-eu-ban-on-sale-of-petrol-and-diesel-cars-by-2035/


    I wonder where the electricity will come from. Large-scale generating
    and distribution systems take a long time to build. And need fuel.

    The increase in generating capacity in the US that would be needed to
    convert all current personal vehicles to electric isn't huge, about
    what's used for electric lighting, 8%-10% as a ballpark.

    You can find larger estimates than that like 50% or 100% increases,
    crazy figures IMO

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  • From jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com@21:1/5 to pNaonStpealmtje@yahoo.com on Fri Mar 18 09:51:29 2022
    On Fri, 18 Mar 2022 16:25:55 GMT, Jan Panteltje
    <pNaonStpealmtje@yahoo.com> wrote:

    On a sunny day (Fri, 18 Mar 2022 09:03:33 -0700) it happened >jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote in ><q2b93hdrktcvjl33sid25tbbboff7s2cho@4ax.com>:

    https://www.breitbart.com/europe/2022/03/18/great-reset-germany-wants-eu-ban-on-sale-of-petrol-and-diesel-cars-by-2035/


    I wonder where the electricity will come from. Large-scale generating
    and distribution systems take a long time to build. And need fuel.

    Northstream2 will work by that time ?

    Germany is already energy poor, mostly by choice. And hostage to
    Russia.


    was watching Russian TV and I did see / feel a sense of unity there that I do not - and have
    not seen in the US in ages.


    Well, Russian TV tolerates no dissent.

    One cool thing about the US is its lack of unity. People are
    inherently different, so sporting-level diversity works.


    Think US is all over, just last bits of noise from a dying empire.


    The US was never an empire like England and Spain and China and Japan.
    All the states chose to be states. We didn't have much of a colonial
    empire, and don't hold any territory by force.

    What swept the world, and continues, is US science and culture and
    SUVs and food. Check google Street View all over the world. Everything
    looks like Dallas.

    It's unfortunate that, at the end of WW2, Russia forced the US to be
    the defender of europe, the world's unwilling policeman.

    But more to the point, we have gobs of gas and oil, and politicians
    will drill before being voted out.



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  • From jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com@21:1/5 to bitrex on Fri Mar 18 09:55:55 2022
    On Fri, 18 Mar 2022 12:50:22 -0400, bitrex <user@example.net> wrote:

    On 3/18/2022 12:03 PM, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:

    https://www.breitbart.com/europe/2022/03/18/great-reset-germany-wants-eu-ban-on-sale-of-petrol-and-diesel-cars-by-2035/


    I wonder where the electricity will come from. Large-scale generating
    and distribution systems take a long time to build. And need fuel.

    The increase in generating capacity in the US that would be needed to
    convert all current personal vehicles to electric isn't huge, about
    what's used for electric lighting, 8%-10% as a ballpark.

    The US has gobs of natural gas to generate electricity. And lots of
    sunlit desert. Germany doesn't.

    Russia has lots of gas. Germany going all-electric will be
    interesting.



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  • From Ralph Mowery@21:1/5 to All on Fri Mar 18 12:57:04 2022
    In article <n6d93hh06f3l5rsk5ioqap12naf2b0su66@4ax.com>, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com says...

    The US was never an empire like England and Spain and China and Japan.
    All the states chose to be states. We didn't have much of a colonial
    empire, and don't hold any territory by force.




    I would say the war between the states (Civel War) held many states by
    force.
    Wasn't Texas taken from Mexico ?

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  • From David Brown@21:1/5 to Rickster on Fri Mar 18 18:26:18 2022
    On 18/03/2022 17:22, Rickster wrote:
    On Friday, March 18, 2022 at 12:03:43 PM UTC-4, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
    https://www.breitbart.com/europe/2022/03/18/great-reset-germany-wants-eu-ban-on-sale-of-petrol-and-diesel-cars-by-2035/



    I wonder where the electricity will come from. Large-scale
    generating and distribution systems take a long time to build. And
    need fuel.


    I suppose you stand by a river and wonder where the water comes from,
    or stand by train tracks and wonder where the trains come from.

    As everyone else here understands already, we have a great deal of
    under utilized electrical generation in most parts of the world. In
    addition we are adding both wind and solar power generation.

    While the under informed are predicting massive lithium shortages,
    I'm not seeing anyone predicting shortages of electric generation.


    Actually, there is a very significant shortage of energy in Europe -
    made worse by the current Russian war in Ukraine. There is a big
    shortage of electricity predicted in coming years, especially as more
    and more things are being electrified. There is also a shortage of
    capacity on grids, which is a problem when the generation and usage are
    out of sync.

    Maybe you're find in your half of the world (which is great). But
    electricity prices have soared here - with peaks at ten times the normal
    rate of a couple of years ago. It is causing widespread disruption. In
    the UK, families are trying to choose between heating their houses or
    eating. Here in Norway, where electricity has traditionally been so
    cheap that people used to have their electric heating on all the time
    and regulate the temperature by opening windows, we recently had a short
    period where the price per mile was almost as high for electric cars as
    petrol cars.

    I think the situation will improve - Germany is reversing its plans to
    shut down its nuclear plants, and Finland has just brought a big new one online. There are more wind and solar generators going up all the time.
    We'll get there, but there /is/ a shortage.

    (I don't think electric cars are the main cause, though they add to it -
    and they can be a big issue for grid peak usages. Climate change with
    cold winters and disrupted rainfall, phasing out coal, and now trying to
    reduce gas usage are all bigger factors.)

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  • From bitrex@21:1/5 to jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com on Fri Mar 18 14:02:40 2022
    On 3/18/2022 12:55 PM, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
    On Fri, 18 Mar 2022 12:50:22 -0400, bitrex <user@example.net> wrote:

    On 3/18/2022 12:03 PM, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:

    https://www.breitbart.com/europe/2022/03/18/great-reset-germany-wants-eu-ban-on-sale-of-petrol-and-diesel-cars-by-2035/


    I wonder where the electricity will come from. Large-scale generating
    and distribution systems take a long time to build. And need fuel.

    The increase in generating capacity in the US that would be needed to
    convert all current personal vehicles to electric isn't huge, about
    what's used for electric lighting, 8%-10% as a ballpark.

    The US has gobs of natural gas to generate electricity. And lots of
    sunlit desert. Germany doesn't.

    They seem committed to extracting what they can from photovoltaic,
    though solar thermal is pretty much out.

    Russia has lots of gas. Germany going all-electric will be
    interesting.




    What's so great about desert with respect to PV? Maine is almost as good
    as Texas for hours of insolation, it's at the same latitude as the
    French Riviera. The panels can run cooler, too.

    I'd prefer they not shit up the desert West with big farms, just stick
    them on top of buildings or in fields, median strips of highways, old
    landfills (they already do that one a lot here.) A lot of New England
    has been clear-cut ages ago.

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  • From Tom Gardner@21:1/5 to Jan Panteltje on Fri Mar 18 18:09:26 2022
    On 18/03/22 16:25, Jan Panteltje wrote:

    was watching Russian TV and I did see / feel a sense of unity there that I do not - and have
    not seen in the US in ages.

    I presume you watched Putin on TV yesterday, calling
    for a "self purification of Russia".

    Now where/when did we hear similar statements before?

    https://twitter.com/carolecadwalla/status/1504235879996534787
    and probably elsewhere.

    Think US is all over, just last bits of noise from a dying empire.
    They do have a tendency towards smug self-congratulation that
    they are the most favoured country. The UK was similar in the
    19th and first half of the 20th century.

    That doesn't make Russia a decent place.

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  • From bitrex@21:1/5 to Ralph Mowery on Fri Mar 18 14:16:05 2022
    On 3/18/2022 12:57 PM, Ralph Mowery wrote:
    In article <n6d93hh06f3l5rsk5ioqap12naf2b0su66@4ax.com>, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com says...

    The US was never an empire like England and Spain and China and Japan.
    All the states chose to be states. We didn't have much of a colonial
    empire, and don't hold any territory by force.




    I would say the war between the states (Civel War) held many states by
    force.
    Wasn't Texas taken from Mexico ?

    Some would say all of America was taken from lots of people, lol

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  • From Jan Panteltje@21:1/5 to jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com on Fri Mar 18 18:18:10 2022
    On a sunny day (Fri, 18 Mar 2022 09:51:29 -0700) it happened jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote in <n6d93hh06f3l5rsk5ioqap12naf2b0su66@4ax.com>:

    On Fri, 18 Mar 2022 16:25:55 GMT, Jan Panteltje
    <pNaonStpealmtje@yahoo.com> wrote:

    On a sunny day (Fri, 18 Mar 2022 09:03:33 -0700) it happened >>jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote in >><q2b93hdrktcvjl33sid25tbbboff7s2cho@4ax.com>:

    https://www.breitbart.com/europe/2022/03/18/great-reset-germany-wants-eu-ban-on-sale-of-petrol-and-diesel-cars-by-2035/


    I wonder where the electricity will come from. Large-scale generating
    and distribution systems take a long time to build. And need fuel.

    Northstream2 will work by that time ?

    Germany is already energy poor, mostly by choice. And hostage to
    Russia.


    was watching Russian TV and I did see / feel a sense of unity there that I do not - and have
    not seen in the US in ages.


    Well, Russian TV tolerates no dissent.

    One cool thing about the US is its lack of unity. People are
    inherently different, so sporting-level diversity works.


    Think US is all over, just last bits of noise from a dying empire.


    The US was never an empire like England and Spain and China and Japan.
    All the states chose to be states. We didn't have much of a colonial
    empire, and don't hold any territory by force.

    They US is basically a bunch of robbers
    They took so many countries by force, invaded those, forced government changes, Starting with - yes- the Native Americans.
    bombing Vietnam, invading Iraq, there is no end to it.

    And what motivates it is the you-ash dollars
    The Military Industrial Complex that needs and exports war so it can sell, and has you pay taxes for it,
    makes double profit that way and has YOU WORK for it!
    That is also what is happening in Ukrain, NATO is a big customer of US military junk (like the F35 now being sold to Germany).
    Sure, competition in a ahem capitalist country drives innovation, all true
    but you guys are way out of control with you war industry,

    I can clearly see a nuclear pre-emptive strike being an option considered by an united rest of the world
    Look at how small that N America is compared to Russia + China + Europe + Middle East + South America.
    US is digging its own grave sanctioning others
    Your idiot fanatic war mongering US military Complex puppet suffering from amnesia leader ByeThen uses the centuries old game of creating a common enemy to distract from his -
    and the system's failures.



    What swept the world, and continues, is US science and culture and
    SUVs and food. Check google Street View all over the world. Everything
    looks like Dallas.

    I do not think so, your food and eating habits are mostly copies from other places.
    As to google (search), it is getting worse trying to be smart.
    After ten minutes googling yesterday for some word and getting suggestions that had nothing to do with it
    I went to Bing and found what I looked for in a few seconds
    That was not the first time I had to escape to Bing.


    It's unfortunate that, at the end of WW2, Russia forced the US to be
    the defender of europe, the world's unwilling policeman.


    Look dude, my father, who was a journalist and wrote things critical of the Germans in WW2 and was in the resistance
    was put in a German concentration camp, and freed by the Russians in 1945.
    The Russians did much if not most of the hard work freeing Europe.
    But after that were under constant attack from o.a, the US CIA,



    But more to the point, we have gobs of gas and oil, and politicians
    will drill before being voted out.

    You have only fracking as option and the pollution will kill many
    Nuclear power is a real option, probably the only one.
    Here in Europe nuclear has been named green now...

    US robbers continue to grab stuff from others, 'freeze' funds and resources, When Nixon decoupled the US dollar from gold it was actually because it was no longer worth the paper it was printed on.
    Now the situation is much worse, and China Russia India and some Middle East countries are changing to Yuan.
    Killing Swift backfires as sanctions always do.

    US depth is ever growing and stealing others stuff cannot make up for that amount in any way.

    This time nuclear...

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  • From Jan Panteltje@21:1/5 to spamjunk@blueyonder.co.uk on Fri Mar 18 18:40:23 2022
    On a sunny day (Fri, 18 Mar 2022 18:09:26 +0000) it happened Tom Gardner <spamjunk@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote in <t12hsm$aek$3@dont-email.me>:

    On 18/03/22 16:25, Jan Panteltje wrote:

    was watching Russian TV and I did see / feel a sense of unity there that I do not - and have
    not seen in the US in ages.

    I presume you watched Putin on TV yesterday, calling
    for a "self purification of Russia".

    Now where/when did we hear similar statements before?

    https://twitter.com/carolecadwalla/status/1504235879996534787
    and probably elsewhere.

    Think US is all over, just last bits of noise from a dying empire.
    They do have a tendency towards smug self-congratulation that
    they are the most favoured country. The UK was similar in the
    19th and first half of the 20th century.

    That doesn't make Russia a decent place.

    Never been there, been to East Germany before the wall fell,
    noted nothing bad about it.

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  • From Rickster@21:1/5 to bitrex on Fri Mar 18 11:42:52 2022
    On Friday, March 18, 2022 at 12:50:31 PM UTC-4, bitrex wrote:
    On 3/18/2022 12:03 PM, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:

    https://www.breitbart.com/europe/2022/03/18/great-reset-germany-wants-eu-ban-on-sale-of-petrol-and-diesel-cars-by-2035/


    I wonder where the electricity will come from. Large-scale generating
    and distribution systems take a long time to build. And need fuel.
    The increase in generating capacity in the US that would be needed to convert all current personal vehicles to electric isn't huge, about
    what's used for electric lighting, 8%-10% as a ballpark.

    You can find larger estimates than that like 50% or 100% increases,
    crazy figures IMO

    It's an easy calculation. 14,000 miles per year, 4 m/kWh, 270 million light vehicles. 945,000,000 MWh vs 4,000,000,000 MWh total. I think that comes to about 24%, no? Add in the semi truck fleet and it will be a bit higher, but I don't have a feel
    for how much. Hard to imagine another 25% though.

    The spare capacity at night probably is around 25% of the total daily kWh. Because of the intermittent nature of renewable energy, the flexibility of charging BEVs allows for a better match between the two. So many BEVs can be charged from renewable
    power sources which will be built.

    The point is, neither the US nor the EU need to worry with adding power generation to keep the BEV fleet charged.

    --

    Rick C.

    + Get 1,000 miles of free Supercharging
    + Tesla referral code - https://ts.la/richard11209

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  • From Rickster@21:1/5 to jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com on Fri Mar 18 11:45:45 2022
    On Friday, March 18, 2022 at 12:51:41 PM UTC-4, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
    On Fri, 18 Mar 2022 16:25:55 GMT, Jan Panteltje
    <pNaonSt...@yahoo.com> wrote:

    On a sunny day (Fri, 18 Mar 2022 09:03:33 -0700) it happened >jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote in
    <q2b93hdrktcvjl33s...@4ax.com>:

    https://www.breitbart.com/europe/2022/03/18/great-reset-germany-wants-eu-ban-on-sale-of-petrol-and-diesel-cars-by-2035/


    I wonder where the electricity will come from. Large-scale generating
    and distribution systems take a long time to build. And need fuel.

    Northstream2 will work by that time ?
    Germany is already energy poor, mostly by choice. And hostage to
    Russia.

    was watching Russian TV and I did see / feel a sense of unity there that I do not - and have
    not seen in the US in ages.
    Well, Russian TV tolerates no dissent.

    One cool thing about the US is its lack of unity. People are
    inherently different, so sporting-level diversity works.
    Think US is all over, just last bits of noise from a dying empire.

    The US was never an empire like England and Spain and China and Japan.
    All the states chose to be states. We didn't have much of a colonial
    empire, and don't hold any territory by force.

    LOL!!! How about Hawaii, or Guam or Puerto Rico?


    What swept the world, and continues, is US science and culture and
    SUVs and food. Check google Street View all over the world. Everything
    looks like Dallas.

    It's unfortunate that, at the end of WW2, Russia forced the US to be
    the defender of europe, the world's unwilling policeman.

    But more to the point, we have gobs of gas and oil, and politicians
    will drill before being voted out.

    Not sure what relevance any of that has to the discussion, or anything else for that matter.

    --

    Rick C.

    -- Get 1,000 miles of free Supercharging
    -- Tesla referral code - https://ts.la/richard11209

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  • From John Doe@21:1/5 to jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com on Fri Mar 18 18:56:40 2022
    jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:

    The US was never an empire like England and Spain and China and Japan.
    All the states chose to be states. We didn't have much of a colonial
    empire, and don't hold any territory by force.

    What swept the world, and continues, is US science and culture and
    SUVs and food. Check google Street View all over the world. Everything
    looks like Dallas.

    Puerto Rico looks like Alcatraz, with bars on every door and window.

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  • From Ralph Mowery@21:1/5 to All on Fri Mar 18 15:11:02 2022
    In article <G%3ZJ.127440$Lbb6.9204@fx45.iad>, user@example.net says...


    I would say the war between the states (Civel War) held many states by force.
    Wasn't Texas taken from Mexico ?

    Some would say all of America was taken from lots of people, lol



    Yes, much of it was taken from the Indians. Alaska from others.

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  • From John Doe@21:1/5 to Ralph Mowery on Fri Mar 18 19:31:13 2022
    Ralph Mowery <rmowery42@charter.net> wrote:

    jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com says...

    The US was never an empire like England and Spain and China and Japan.
    All the states chose to be states. We didn't have much of a colonial
    empire, and don't hold any territory by force.

    I would say the war between the states (Civel War) held many states by
    force. Wasn't Texas taken from Mexico ?

    No.

    Mexican troops killed Geronimo's family. Then Geronimo spent the next 3
    decades killing & torturing Mexicans and other Indians along what is now
    our southwestern border. Geronimo died of old age and pneumonia in a US
    Army hospital. Mexico never owned or even controlled anything north of the
    Rio Grande.

    America was anything but Mr Rogers Neighborhood before Europeans arrived.
    The word "savage" was not taken from thin air. Some Comanche torture
    methods are interesting, conceivably promoted by their abuse of peyote.

    If Europeans had not settled and developed this land, some other advanced civilization would have landed (like Asians, before 1941). Could have been
    MUCH worse for native Indians and our neighbors to the south and north.

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  • From Ed Lee@21:1/5 to jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com on Fri Mar 18 12:18:54 2022
    On Friday, March 18, 2022 at 9:56:06 AM UTC-7, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
    On Fri, 18 Mar 2022 12:50:22 -0400, bitrex <us...@example.net> wrote:

    On 3/18/2022 12:03 PM, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:

    https://www.breitbart.com/europe/2022/03/18/great-reset-germany-wants-eu-ban-on-sale-of-petrol-and-diesel-cars-by-2035/


    I wonder where the electricity will come from. Large-scale generating
    and distribution systems take a long time to build. And need fuel.

    The increase in generating capacity in the US that would be needed to >convert all current personal vehicles to electric isn't huge, about
    what's used for electric lighting, 8%-10% as a ballpark.
    The US has gobs of natural gas to generate electricity. And lots of
    sunlit desert. Germany doesn't.

    Russia has lots of gas. Germany going all-electric will be
    interesting.

    Just drive slowly, ignore angry drivers and cops.

    https://www.cnn.com/2022/03/18/energy/oil-russia-emergency-plan/index.html

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  • From Sjouke Burry@21:1/5 to Jan Panteltje on Fri Mar 18 20:53:55 2022
    On 18.03.22 19:40, Jan Panteltje wrote:
    On a sunny day (Fri, 18 Mar 2022 18:09:26 +0000) it happened Tom Gardner <spamjunk@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote in <t12hsm$aek$3@dont-email.me>:

    On 18/03/22 16:25, Jan Panteltje wrote:

    was watching Russian TV and I did see / feel a sense of unity there that I do not - and have
    not seen in the US in ages.

    I presume you watched Putin on TV yesterday, calling
    for a "self purification of Russia".

    Now where/when did we hear similar statements before?

    https://twitter.com/carolecadwalla/status/1504235879996534787
    and probably elsewhere.

    Think US is all over, just last bits of noise from a dying empire.
    They do have a tendency towards smug self-congratulation that
    they are the most favoured country. The UK was similar in the
    19th and first half of the 20th century.

    That doesn't make Russia a decent place.

    Never been there, been to East Germany before the wall fell,
    noted nothing bad about it.


    Are you being treated for that kind of blindness?

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  • From DemonicTubes@21:1/5 to jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com on Fri Mar 18 13:10:28 2022
    On Friday, March 18, 2022 at 10:03:43 AM UTC-6, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
    https://www.breitbart.com/europe/2022/03/18/great-reset-germany-wants-eu-ban-on-sale-of-petrol-and-diesel-cars-by-2035/


    I wonder where the electricity will come from. Large-scale generating
    and distribution systems take a long time to build. And need fuel.





    --

    I yam what I yam - Popeye

    Conveniently for them, they consider burning wood 'carbon neutral'. Replacing decommissioned coal plants with wood burning plants even though they emit more CO2 than the coal plants did. Brilliant.

    "Bioenergy was classified as carbon neutral under the Kyoto Protocol, meaning that nations don’t need to count wood burning for energy among their Paris Agreement carbon emissions."

    https://news.mongabay.com/2019/03/eu-sued-to-stop-burning-trees-for-energy-its-not-carbon-neutral-plaintiffs/

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  • From Ed Lee@21:1/5 to DemonicTubes on Fri Mar 18 13:40:36 2022
    On Friday, March 18, 2022 at 1:10:33 PM UTC-7, DemonicTubes wrote:
    On Friday, March 18, 2022 at 10:03:43 AM UTC-6, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
    https://www.breitbart.com/europe/2022/03/18/great-reset-germany-wants-eu-ban-on-sale-of-petrol-and-diesel-cars-by-2035/


    I wonder where the electricity will come from. Large-scale generating
    and distribution systems take a long time to build. And need fuel.





    --

    I yam what I yam - Popeye
    Conveniently for them, they consider burning wood 'carbon neutral'. Replacing decommissioned coal plants with wood burning plants even though they emit more CO2 than the coal plants did. Brilliant.

    "Bioenergy was classified as carbon neutral under the Kyoto Protocol, meaning that nations don’t need to count wood burning for energy among their Paris Agreement carbon emissions."

    https://news.mongabay.com/2019/03/eu-sued-to-stop-burning-trees-for-energy-its-not-carbon-neutral-plaintiffs/

    Great. I was thinking about installing a wood burning generator at the back of my EV.

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  • From Tom Gardner@21:1/5 to Jan Panteltje on Fri Mar 18 20:55:21 2022
    On 18/03/22 18:40, Jan Panteltje wrote:
    On a sunny day (Fri, 18 Mar 2022 18:09:26 +0000) it happened Tom Gardner <spamjunk@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote in <t12hsm$aek$3@dont-email.me>:

    On 18/03/22 16:25, Jan Panteltje wrote:

    was watching Russian TV and I did see / feel a sense of unity there that I do not - and have
    not seen in the US in ages.

    I presume you watched Putin on TV yesterday, calling
    for a "self purification of Russia".

    Now where/when did we hear similar statements before?

    https://twitter.com/carolecadwalla/status/1504235879996534787
    and probably elsewhere.

    Think US is all over, just last bits of noise from a dying empire.
    They do have a tendency towards smug self-congratulation that
    they are the most favoured country. The UK was similar in the
    19th and first half of the 20th century.

    That doesn't make Russia a decent place.

    Never been there, been to East Germany before the wall fell,
    noted nothing bad about it.

    So did I, amongst several other relevant things.

    The GDR border guards were /very/ touchy, and people had to be
    very careful not to irritate them. Things like keeping western
    glossy magazines out of site, not bringing East German currency
    out.

    In East Berlin, I went in the best department store, on Alexander
    Platz - because they forced visitors to spend some money in
    East Germany. The *only* thing I found to buy were a few postcards.

    I know someone whose job was to see how well the BBC
    was being received. He was frequently harassed.

    I know someone that divorced (so his wife could come back to
    the UK), crawled under the wall, and was remarried.

    Summary: you must have been blind.

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  • From Tom Gardner@21:1/5 to Sjouke Burry on Fri Mar 18 20:56:15 2022
    On 18/03/22 19:53, Sjouke Burry wrote:
    On 18.03.22 19:40, Jan Panteltje wrote:
    On a sunny day (Fri, 18 Mar 2022 18:09:26 +0000) it happened Tom Gardner
    <spamjunk@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote in <t12hsm$aek$3@dont-email.me>:

    On 18/03/22 16:25, Jan Panteltje wrote:

    was watching Russian TV and I did see / feel a sense of unity there that I >>>> do not - and have
    not  seen in the US in ages.

    I presume you watched Putin on TV yesterday, calling
    for a "self purification of Russia".

    Now where/when did we hear similar statements before?

    https://twitter.com/carolecadwalla/status/1504235879996534787
    and probably elsewhere.

    Think US is all over, just last bits of noise from a dying empire.
    They do have a tendency towards smug self-congratulation that
    they are the most favoured country. The UK was similar in the
    19th and first half of the 20th century.

    That doesn't make Russia a decent place.

    Never been there, been to East Germany before the wall fell,
    noted nothing bad about it.


    Are you being treated for that kind of blindness?

    Beat me to it!

    It seems to be a common affliction in this group.

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  • From John Larkin@21:1/5 to bitrex on Fri Mar 18 14:01:55 2022
    On Fri, 18 Mar 2022 14:16:05 -0400, bitrex <user@example.net> wrote:

    On 3/18/2022 12:57 PM, Ralph Mowery wrote:
    In article <n6d93hh06f3l5rsk5ioqap12naf2b0su66@4ax.com>,
    jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com says...

    The US was never an empire like England and Spain and China and Japan.
    All the states chose to be states. We didn't have much of a colonial
    empire, and don't hold any territory by force.




    I would say the war between the states (Civel War) held many states by
    force.
    Wasn't Texas taken from Mexico ?

    Some would say all of America was taken from lots of people, lol

    There were waves of immigration before europeans showed up. And nasty
    regional warfare. Who owns the land?

    --

    If a man will begin with certainties, he shall end with doubts,
    but if he will be content to begin with doubts he shall end in certainties. Francis Bacon

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  • From Phil Allison@21:1/5 to Jan Panteltje Rabid Lunatic on Fri Mar 18 14:33:14 2022
    Jan Panteltje Rabid Lunatic wrote:
    ======================---

    They US is basically a bunch of robbers
    They took so many countries by force, invaded those, forced government changes,
    Starting with - yes- the Native Americans.
    bombing Vietnam, invading Iraq, there is no end to it.


    ** Giant LIE.

    The US has never invaded another country, in order to take it over.
    he only land area the US has permanently "occupied" is that needed to bury their dead.

    Government change forced Germany and Japan were welcomed by the entire world.
    Cos psychopaths had taken control and started a world war.
    Raving lunatics just like YOU.


    ...... Phil

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  • From Phil Allison@21:1/5 to jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com on Fri Mar 18 14:37:24 2022
    jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:

    =================================

    https://www.breitbart.com/europe/2022/03/18/great-reset-germany-wants-eu-ban-on-sale-of-petrol-and-diesel-cars-by-2035/


    I wonder where the electricity will come from. Large-scale generating
    and distribution systems take a long time to build. And need fuel.


    ** All politics, no reality.
    EVs are the solution to NOTHING.
    Cute toys for the amusement of Green politics wankers.



    ...... Phil

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  • From Gerhard Hoffmann@21:1/5 to All on Fri Mar 18 22:35:39 2022
    Am 18.03.22 um 17:51 schrieb jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com:
    On Fri, 18 Mar 2022 16:25:55 GMT, Jan Panteltje
    <pNaonStpealmtje@yahoo.com> wrote:

    On a sunny day (Fri, 18 Mar 2022 09:03:33 -0700) it happened
    jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote in
    <q2b93hdrktcvjl33sid25tbbboff7s2cho@4ax.com>:


    https://www.breitbart.com/europe/2022/03/18/great-reset-germany-wants-eu-ban-on-sale-of-petrol-and-diesel-cars-by-2035/


    I wonder where the electricity will come from. Large-scale generating
    and distribution systems take a long time to build. And need fuel.

    Northstream2 will work by that time ?

    Germany is already energy poor, mostly by choice. And hostage to
    Russia.

    Germany is still a net electricity exporter.
    So, EVs are not completely brain dead.

    And Ukraine is on the European net since a week.
    No problems here.


    Living just 20 miles NW of Ramstein, I feel as much taken
    hostage from the US as from Russia.
    Not so protected but forced into someone else's influence sphere.


    The US was never an empire like England and Spain and China and Japan.
    All the states chose to be states. We didn't have much of a colonial
    empire, and don't hold any territory by force.

    ..at least after you have installed your usual puppet regime.
    12 years of peace since "we the people..."
    That includes the big recession, where adventures could not
    be pre-financed.

    And before that, extinguishing the indigenous population.
    That's what I'd call a proud tradition.

    "What did you call this land before the white man came?"
    "Ours"

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  • From Ralph Mowery@21:1/5 to All on Fri Mar 18 18:47:23 2022
    In article <ams93hhp45ae32ihq70b80ugvlfgjebrlm@4ax.com>, jlarkin@highland_atwork_technology.com says...

    There were waves of immigration before europeans showed up. And nasty regional warfare. Who owns the land?

    -


    Just as always , the one with the best military.

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  • From Anthony William Sloman@21:1/5 to jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com on Fri Mar 18 19:10:37 2022
    On Saturday, March 19, 2022 at 3:51:41 AM UTC+11, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
    On Fri, 18 Mar 2022 16:25:55 GMT, Jan Panteltje
    <pNaonSt...@yahoo.com> wrote:

    On a sunny day (Fri, 18 Mar 2022 09:03:33 -0700) it happened >jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote in
    <q2b93hdrktcvjl33s...@4ax.com>:

    <snip>

    Germany is already energy poor, mostly by choice. And hostage to Russia.

    Scarcely energy poor, and not noticeably hostage to Russia.

    was watching Russian TV and I did see / feel a sense of unity there that I do not - and have not seen in the US in ages.

    Well, Russian TV tolerates no dissent.

    Apart from the lady who broke into the live news with a protest placard, which did shown up on the Australian TV news.
    Americans don't get all that much international news so John Larkin might not have seen it.

    One cool thing about the US is its lack of unity. People are inherently different, so sporting-level diversity works.

    Mostly they are badly educated, and have all sorts of different silly ideas. John Larkin on anthropogenic global warming is an example.

    Think US is all over, just last bits of noise from a dying empire.

    The US was never an empire like England and Spain and China and Japan.
    All the states chose to be states. We didn't have much of a colonial
    empire, and don't hold any territory by force.

    The Philippine and Porto Rico don't count? Banana republics were more of the same. Contragate was a more modern version of the same kind of approach.
    The invasion of Irak was clearly intended to be the same kind of empire-building but George W Bush and his cronies didn't believe the US Army estimates of the cost of occupying Irak, so - despite all the oil - it didn't turn out to be any more worth
    holding onto than had the Philippines.

    What swept the world, and continues, is US science and culture and SUVs and food. Check google Street View all over the world. Everything looks like Dallas.

    To John Larkin.

    It's unfortunate that, at the end of WW2, Russia forced the US to be the defender of Europe, the world's unwilling policeman.

    US investments in Europe had something to do with that.

    But more to the point, we have gobs of gas and oil, and politicians will drill before being voted out.

    John Larkin really doesn't get the point about anthropogenic global warming, does he. As long as the fossil carbon extraction industry is allowed to keep spending big on denialist propaganda, gullible twits like him will stay suckered.

    --
    Bill Sloman, Sydney

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  • From Rickster@21:1/5 to John Doe on Fri Mar 18 19:24:26 2022
    On Friday, March 18, 2022 at 2:56:47 PM UTC-4, John Doe wrote:
    jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:

    The US was never an empire like England and Spain and China and Japan.
    All the states chose to be states. We didn't have much of a colonial empire, and don't hold any territory by force.

    What swept the world, and continues, is US science and culture and
    SUVs and food. Check google Street View all over the world. Everything looks like Dallas.
    Puerto Rico looks like Alcatraz, with bars on every door and window.

    That's actually a Spanish trait and is common in the Spanish speaking countries. These rejas are typically ornamental and their use is essentially a matter of custom, rather than necessity, much like a fence around your yard in the US. Remember that
    the weather here allows for many outside spaces that are essentially part of the home. So wrought iron serves to define that space rather than completely enclosing it because of the foul weather often encountered in more temperate regions.

    One side effect, is that with the nearly universal use, they become self fulling. If your home is the only home in the neighborhood without rejas, it's like leaving your car unlocked, while the other cars are locked.

    --

    Rick C.

    -+ Get 1,000 miles of free Supercharging
    -+ Tesla referral code - https://ts.la/richard11209

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  • From Rickster@21:1/5 to Tom Gardner on Fri Mar 18 19:28:25 2022
    On Friday, March 18, 2022 at 4:56:22 PM UTC-4, Tom Gardner wrote:
    On 18/03/22 19:53, Sjouke Burry wrote:
    On 18.03.22 19:40, Jan Panteltje wrote:
    On a sunny day (Fri, 18 Mar 2022 18:09:26 +0000) it happened Tom Gardner >> <spam...@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote in <t12hsm$aek$3...@dont-email.me>:

    On 18/03/22 16:25, Jan Panteltje wrote:

    was watching Russian TV and I did see / feel a sense of unity there that I
    do not - and have
    not seen in the US in ages.

    I presume you watched Putin on TV yesterday, calling
    for a "self purification of Russia".

    Now where/when did we hear similar statements before?

    https://twitter.com/carolecadwalla/status/1504235879996534787
    and probably elsewhere.

    Think US is all over, just last bits of noise from a dying empire.
    They do have a tendency towards smug self-congratulation that
    they are the most favoured country. The UK was similar in the
    19th and first half of the 20th century.

    That doesn't make Russia a decent place.

    Never been there, been to East Germany before the wall fell,
    noted nothing bad about it.


    Are you being treated for that kind of blindness?
    Beat me to it!

    It seems to be a common affliction in this group.

    Yeah, also dumb and blind.

    --

    Rick C.

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  • From Rickster@21:1/5 to palli...@gmail.com on Fri Mar 18 19:37:55 2022
    On Friday, March 18, 2022 at 5:37:28 PM UTC-4, palli...@gmail.com wrote:
    jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:

    =================================

    https://www.breitbart.com/europe/2022/03/18/great-reset-germany-wants-eu-ban-on-sale-of-petrol-and-diesel-cars-by-2035/


    I wonder where the electricity will come from. Large-scale generating
    and distribution systems take a long time to build. And need fuel.

    ** All politics, no reality.
    EVs are the solution to NOTHING.
    Cute toys for the amusement of Green politics wankers.

    And yet it has been shown very, very clearly, even well enough for you to understand if you choose, that BEVs charging from the grid produce less carbon than ICE and use less power in general. I suppose none of this means anything to you. I get that
    for sure. One thing that does mean something to you is profanity. Go get 'em tiger! Let the profanity begin!

    I appreciate profanity from you because it's what you do when you have no other argument to make.

    It's amusing that Larkin can't understand something as simple as slack time in electrical generation. I would have hoped you could understand it.

    --

    Rick C.

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  • From Rickster@21:1/5 to bill....@ieee.org on Fri Mar 18 19:50:29 2022
    On Friday, March 18, 2022 at 10:10:42 PM UTC-4, bill....@ieee.org wrote:
    On Saturday, March 19, 2022 at 3:51:41 AM UTC+11, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
    On Fri, 18 Mar 2022 16:25:55 GMT, Jan Panteltje
    <pNaonSt...@yahoo.com> wrote:

    On a sunny day (Fri, 18 Mar 2022 09:03:33 -0700) it happened >jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote in ><q2b93hdrktcvjl33s...@4ax.com>:
    <snip>
    Germany is already energy poor, mostly by choice. And hostage to Russia.
    Scarcely energy poor, and not noticeably hostage to Russia.
    was watching Russian TV and I did see / feel a sense of unity there that I do not - and have not seen in the US in ages.

    Well, Russian TV tolerates no dissent.
    Apart from the lady who broke into the live news with a protest placard, which did shown up on the Australian TV news.
    Americans don't get all that much international news so John Larkin might not have seen it.

    Perhaps you are thinking of the 50s when people ate dinner on TV trays gathered in front of the television. Now many people get their news from the Internet. I find Google to be a reasonable aggregator of news from various sources. If they are
    feeding me what they think I want to read, I must be clicking on a bunch of stuff in my sleep. It's weird some of the stuff I skip over.


    One cool thing about the US is its lack of unity. People are inherently different, so sporting-level diversity works.
    Mostly they are badly educated, and have all sorts of different silly ideas. John Larkin on anthropogenic global warming is an example.

    There's nothing wrong with dissent. The insanity is when people deny facts. This seems to mostly be the result of people who want to manipulate those of lower intelligence, or wish to only hear about things they want to believe.


    Think US is all over, just last bits of noise from a dying empire.

    The US was never an empire like England and Spain and China and Japan.
    All the states chose to be states. We didn't have much of a colonial empire, and don't hold any territory by force.
    The Philippine and Porto Rico don't count? Banana republics were more of the same. Contragate was a more modern version of the same kind of approach.

    That's Puerto Rico, thank you very much, "Rich Port".


    The invasion of Irak was clearly intended to be the same kind of empire-building but George W Bush and his cronies didn't believe the US Army estimates of the cost of occupying Irak, so - despite all the oil - it didn't turn out to be any more worth
    holding onto than had the Philippines.
    What swept the world, and continues, is US science and culture and SUVs and food. Check google Street View all over the world. Everything looks like Dallas.
    To John Larkin.

    Yeah, that is a pretty stupid thing to say. I bet people in much of Europe would take offense at that.


    It's unfortunate that, at the end of WW2, Russia forced the US to be the defender of Europe, the world's unwilling policeman.

    US investments in Europe had something to do with that.

    I think that was about capitalism, as much as anything. We do tend to think we can install democracy everywhere. Much of Asia just isn't totally compatible with democracy. Vietnam for example. People live their lives and don't worry so much about
    politics. In the US, we get very excited about so many small details and the important stuff seldom changes.


    But more to the point, we have gobs of gas and oil, and politicians will drill before being voted out.
    John Larkin really doesn't get the point about anthropogenic global warming, does he. As long as the fossil carbon extraction industry is allowed to keep spending big on denialist propaganda, gullible twits like him will stay suckered.

    AGW is a hard sell to anyone who won't believe anything until it smacks them in the face.

    --

    Rick C.

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  • From Jan Panteltje@21:1/5 to spamjunk@blueyonder.co.uk on Sat Mar 19 07:42:35 2022
    On a sunny day (Fri, 18 Mar 2022 20:55:21 +0000) it happened Tom Gardner <spamjunk@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote in <t12rjp$7gh$2@dont-email.me>:

    On 18/03/22 18:40, Jan Panteltje wrote:
    On a sunny day (Fri, 18 Mar 2022 18:09:26 +0000) it happened Tom Gardner
    <spamjunk@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote in <t12hsm$aek$3@dont-email.me>:

    On 18/03/22 16:25, Jan Panteltje wrote:

    was watching Russian TV and I did see / feel a sense of unity there that I do not - and have
    not seen in the US in ages.

    I presume you watched Putin on TV yesterday, calling
    for a "self purification of Russia".

    Now where/when did we hear similar statements before?

    https://twitter.com/carolecadwalla/status/1504235879996534787
    and probably elsewhere.

    Think US is all over, just last bits of noise from a dying empire.
    They do have a tendency towards smug self-congratulation that
    they are the most favoured country. The UK was similar in the
    19th and first half of the 20th century.

    That doesn't make Russia a decent place.

    Never been there, been to East Germany before the wall fell,
    noted nothing bad about it.

    So did I, amongst several other relevant things.

    The GDR border guards were /very/ touchy, and people had to be
    very careful not to irritate them. Things like keeping western
    glossy magazines out of site, not bringing East German currency
    out.

    In East Berlin, I went in the best department store, on Alexander
    Platz - because they forced visitors to spend some money in
    East Germany. The *only* thing I found to buy were a few postcards.

    I know someone whose job was to see how well the BBC
    was being received. He was frequently harassed.

    I know someone that divorced (so his wife could come back to
    the UK), crawled under the wall, and was remarried.

    Summary: you must have been blind.

    I can tell you the same about US, and I _have_ seen bad things there.
    Beauty is in the beholders eye...
    Same over here.
    Human nature
    East Germany felt a lot safer than United States,
    But I did see West Side Story before I went to the US and became part of it myself :-)
    There is crime in Russia too ..
    Same over here
    But US is the biggest predator in the world right now mainly because others fear the bomb.
    Now that everybody and their cat has nukes the fear for the US decreases. Others group together and the US 'Mafia' has the choice of taking a step back or being nuked into oblivion
    History ... Roman Empire
    In a war situation most likely US solders will take a knee
    :-)

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  • From Tom Gardner@21:1/5 to Jan Panteltje on Sat Mar 19 10:11:13 2022
    On 19/03/22 07:42, Jan Panteltje wrote:
    On a sunny day (Fri, 18 Mar 2022 20:55:21 +0000) it happened Tom Gardner <spamjunk@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote in <t12rjp$7gh$2@dont-email.me>:

    On 18/03/22 18:40, Jan Panteltje wrote:
    On a sunny day (Fri, 18 Mar 2022 18:09:26 +0000) it happened Tom Gardner >>> <spamjunk@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote in <t12hsm$aek$3@dont-email.me>:

    On 18/03/22 16:25, Jan Panteltje wrote:

    was watching Russian TV and I did see / feel a sense of unity there that I do not - and have
    not seen in the US in ages.

    I presume you watched Putin on TV yesterday, calling
    for a "self purification of Russia".

    Now where/when did we hear similar statements before?

    https://twitter.com/carolecadwalla/status/1504235879996534787
    and probably elsewhere.

    Think US is all over, just last bits of noise from a dying empire.
    They do have a tendency towards smug self-congratulation that
    they are the most favoured country. The UK was similar in the
    19th and first half of the 20th century.

    That doesn't make Russia a decent place.

    Never been there, been to East Germany before the wall fell,
    noted nothing bad about it.

    So did I, amongst several other relevant things.

    The GDR border guards were /very/ touchy, and people had to be
    very careful not to irritate them. Things like keeping western
    glossy magazines out of site, not bringing East German currency
    out.

    In East Berlin, I went in the best department store, on Alexander
    Platz - because they forced visitors to spend some money in
    East Germany. The *only* thing I found to buy were a few postcards.

    I know someone whose job was to see how well the BBC
    was being received. He was frequently harassed.

    I know someone that divorced (so his wife could come back to
    the UK), crawled under the wall, and was remarried.

    Summary: you must have been blind.

    I can tell you the same about US, and I _have_ seen bad things there.

    I've seen and experienced unsavoury things in the US.
    My parents returned after 19 months in Pittsburg partly
    because of that. I don't remember that because I was a
    toddler.


    Beauty is in the beholders eye...
    Same over here.
    Human nature
    East Germany felt a lot safer than United States,
    But I did see West Side Story before I went to the US and became part of it myself :-)
    There is crime in Russia too ..
    Same over here
    But US is the biggest predator in the world right now mainly because others fear the bomb.
    Now that everybody and their cat has nukes the fear for the US decreases. Others group together and the US 'Mafia' has the choice of taking a step back or being nuked into oblivion
    History ... Roman Empire
    In a war situation most likely US solders will take a knee
    :-)

    Completely irrelevant to your original point. Little
    more than a disgruntled rant.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From Liz Tuddenham@21:1/5 to bitrex on Sat Mar 19 09:57:04 2022
    bitrex <user@example.net> wrote:

    On 3/18/2022 12:03 PM, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:

    https://www.breitbart.com/europe/2022/03/18/great-reset-germany-wants-eu -ban-on-sale-of-petrol-and-diesel-cars-by-2035/


    I wonder where the electricity will come from. Large-scale generating
    and distribution systems take a long time to build. And need fuel.

    The increase in generating capacity in the US that would be needed to
    convert all current personal vehicles to electric isn't huge, about
    what's used for electric lighting, 8%-10% as a ballpark.

    I estimated that the UK would need more than a 30% increase in
    generating capacity to supply the energy requirements of diesel and
    petrol private cars and vans. Railway electrification keeps being
    stalled by political intransigence and electrifiation of heavy goods
    vehicles is a non-starter at the moment.

    The current UK policies are simply driving the replacement of moderately efficient existing vehicles long before they are life-expired with less efficient new ones that will take years to cover their construction
    costs. The car manufacturing and greenwash lobbies have done an
    excellent job of perverting the minds of scientifically-ignorant
    politicians.

    --
    ~ Liz Tuddenham ~
    (Remove the ".invalid"s and add ".co.uk" to reply)
    www.poppyrecords.co.uk

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Tom Gardner@21:1/5 to jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com on Sat Mar 19 09:59:11 2022
    On 18/03/22 16:51, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
    It's unfortunate that, at the end of WW2, Russia forced the US to be
    the defender of europe, the world's unwilling policeman.

    Nobody forced the US. The US corporations chose to expand
    their economic influence.

    But you needn't worry. China is taking over the role,
    especially in Africa and SE Asia.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From Tom Gardner@21:1/5 to Anthony William Sloman on Sat Mar 19 10:07:28 2022
    On 19/03/22 02:10, Anthony William Sloman wrote:
    On Saturday, March 19, 2022 at 3:51:41 AM UTC+11, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:

    Well, Russian TV tolerates no dissent.

    Apart from the lady who broke into the live news with a protest placard, which did shown up on the Australian TV news. Americans don't get all that much international news so John Larkin might not have seen it.

    Not a good example. She now fears for her safety.

    Larkin is more accurate here, especially given Putin's
    recent speech about self-cleansing Russian society,
    fifth-columnists, and traitors. https://www.reuters.com/world/putin-warns-russia-against-pro-western-traitors-scum-2022-03-16/

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From Jan Panteltje@21:1/5 to spamjunk@blueyonder.co.uk on Sat Mar 19 10:39:18 2022
    On a sunny day (Sat, 19 Mar 2022 10:11:13 +0000) it happened Tom Gardner <spamjunk@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote in <t14a81$ia2$2@dont-email.me>:

    On 19/03/22 07:42, Jan Panteltje wrote:
    On a sunny day (Fri, 18 Mar 2022 20:55:21 +0000) it happened Tom Gardner
    <spamjunk@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote in <t12rjp$7gh$2@dont-email.me>:

    On 18/03/22 18:40, Jan Panteltje wrote:
    On a sunny day (Fri, 18 Mar 2022 18:09:26 +0000) it happened Tom Gardner >>>> <spamjunk@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote in <t12hsm$aek$3@dont-email.me>:

    On 18/03/22 16:25, Jan Panteltje wrote:

    was watching Russian TV and I did see / feel a sense of unity there that I do not - and have
    not seen in the US in ages.

    I presume you watched Putin on TV yesterday, calling
    for a "self purification of Russia".

    Now where/when did we hear similar statements before?

    https://twitter.com/carolecadwalla/status/1504235879996534787
    and probably elsewhere.

    Think US is all over, just last bits of noise from a dying empire.
    They do have a tendency towards smug self-congratulation that
    they are the most favoured country. The UK was similar in the
    19th and first half of the 20th century.

    That doesn't make Russia a decent place.

    Never been there, been to East Germany before the wall fell,
    noted nothing bad about it.

    So did I, amongst several other relevant things.

    The GDR border guards were /very/ touchy, and people had to be
    very careful not to irritate them. Things like keeping western
    glossy magazines out of site, not bringing East German currency
    out.

    In East Berlin, I went in the best department store, on Alexander
    Platz - because they forced visitors to spend some money in
    East Germany. The *only* thing I found to buy were a few postcards.

    I know someone whose job was to see how well the BBC
    was being received. He was frequently harassed.

    I know someone that divorced (so his wife could come back to
    the UK), crawled under the wall, and was remarried.

    Summary: you must have been blind.

    I can tell you the same about US, and I _have_ seen bad things there.

    I've seen and experienced unsavoury things in the US.
    My parents returned after 19 months in Pittsburg partly
    because of that. I don't remember that because I was a
    toddler.


    Beauty is in the beholders eye...
    Same over here.
    Human nature
    East Germany felt a lot safer than United States,
    But I did see West Side Story before I went to the US and became part of it myself :-)
    There is crime in Russia too ..
    Same over here
    But US is the biggest predator in the world right now mainly because others fear the bomb.
    Now that everybody and their cat has nukes the fear for the US decreases.
    Others group together and the US 'Mafia' has the choice of taking a step back or being nuked into oblivion
    History ... Roman Empire
    In a war situation most likely US solders will take a knee
    :-)

    Completely irrelevant to your original point. Little
    more than a disgruntled rant.

    Looks like you are still a toddler
    Try understanding what I wrote when you grow up.

    No Empire Yet has persisted

    Bye Bye America Bye
    what will be left is some black warlords fighting among each other and cooking the victims in big pots
    for breakfast.

    When archaeologists perhaps dig up the statute of glibbery and hundreds of old cellphones
    they will wonder:
    "How did they make those things back in the twentieth century?"

    That is if the humming species persists past the nuclear glowball wars
    Did the last male Dino eat the last female Dino and did that species end that way?
    They needed BIG food
    (of course the last female Dino could have eaten the last male Dino, just to be po-littter-cally right, these days).

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From David Brown@21:1/5 to John Doe on Sat Mar 19 11:52:50 2022
    On 18/03/2022 20:31, John Doe wrote:
    Ralph Mowery <rmowery42@charter.net> wrote:

    jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com says...

    The US was never an empire like England and Spain and China and Japan.
    All the states chose to be states. We didn't have much of a colonial
    empire, and don't hold any territory by force.

    I would say the war between the states (Civel War) held many states by
    force. Wasn't Texas taken from Mexico ?

    No.

    Mexican troops killed Geronimo's family. Then Geronimo spent the next 3 decades killing & torturing Mexicans and other Indians along what is now
    our southwestern border. Geronimo died of old age and pneumonia in a US
    Army hospital. Mexico never owned or even controlled anything north of the Rio Grande.

    Some of the maps at <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mexican%E2%80%93American_War> suggest
    otherwise. Of course, this would not be the first time countries
    disagreed about who "owns" or "controls" a piece of land.


    America was anything but Mr Rogers Neighborhood before Europeans arrived.
    The word "savage" was not taken from thin air. Some Comanche torture
    methods are interesting, conceivably promoted by their abuse of peyote.


    The Europeans had a wide selection of imaginative torture methods at
    that time too. But mostly these were reserved for settling theological disputes amongst themselves, rather than for military enemies.

    If Europeans had not settled and developed this land, some other advanced civilization would have landed (like Asians, before 1941). Could have been MUCH worse for native Indians and our neighbors to the south and north.


    It's hard to imagine how it could have been "MUCH" worse. But it's
    unlikely that it would have been very different.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From Tom Gardner@21:1/5 to Jan Panteltje on Sat Mar 19 11:18:19 2022
    On 19/03/22 10:39, Jan Panteltje wrote:
    On a sunny day (Sat, 19 Mar 2022 10:11:13 +0000) it happened Tom Gardner <spamjunk@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote in <t14a81$ia2$2@dont-email.me>:

    On 19/03/22 07:42, Jan Panteltje wrote:
    On a sunny day (Fri, 18 Mar 2022 20:55:21 +0000) it happened Tom Gardner >>> <spamjunk@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote in <t12rjp$7gh$2@dont-email.me>:

    On 18/03/22 18:40, Jan Panteltje wrote:
    On a sunny day (Fri, 18 Mar 2022 18:09:26 +0000) it happened Tom Gardner >>>>> <spamjunk@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote in <t12hsm$aek$3@dont-email.me>:

    On 18/03/22 16:25, Jan Panteltje wrote:

    was watching Russian TV and I did see / feel a sense of unity there that I do not - and have
    not seen in the US in ages.

    I presume you watched Putin on TV yesterday, calling
    for a "self purification of Russia".

    Now where/when did we hear similar statements before?

    https://twitter.com/carolecadwalla/status/1504235879996534787
    and probably elsewhere.

    Think US is all over, just last bits of noise from a dying empire. >>>>>> They do have a tendency towards smug self-congratulation that
    they are the most favoured country. The UK was similar in the
    19th and first half of the 20th century.

    That doesn't make Russia a decent place.

    Never been there, been to East Germany before the wall fell,
    noted nothing bad about it.

    So did I, amongst several other relevant things.

    The GDR border guards were /very/ touchy, and people had to be
    very careful not to irritate them. Things like keeping western
    glossy magazines out of site, not bringing East German currency
    out.

    In East Berlin, I went in the best department store, on Alexander
    Platz - because they forced visitors to spend some money in
    East Germany. The *only* thing I found to buy were a few postcards.

    I know someone whose job was to see how well the BBC
    was being received. He was frequently harassed.

    I know someone that divorced (so his wife could come back to
    the UK), crawled under the wall, and was remarried.

    Summary: you must have been blind.

    I can tell you the same about US, and I _have_ seen bad things there.

    I've seen and experienced unsavoury things in the US.
    My parents returned after 19 months in Pittsburg partly
    because of that. I don't remember that because I was a
    toddler.


    Beauty is in the beholders eye...
    Same over here.
    Human nature
    East Germany felt a lot safer than United States,
    But I did see West Side Story before I went to the US and became part of it myself :-)
    There is crime in Russia too ..
    Same over here
    But US is the biggest predator in the world right now mainly because others fear the bomb.
    Now that everybody and their cat has nukes the fear for the US decreases. >>> Others group together and the US 'Mafia' has the choice of taking a step back or being nuked into oblivion
    History ... Roman Empire
    In a war situation most likely US solders will take a knee
    :-)

    Completely irrelevant to your original point. Little
    more than a disgruntled rant.

    Looks like you are still a toddler
    Try understanding what I wrote when you grow up.

    No Empire Yet has persisted

    Bye Bye America Bye
    what will be left is some black warlords fighting among each other and cooking the victims in big pots
    for breakfast.

    When archaeologists perhaps dig up the statute of glibbery and hundreds of old cellphones
    they will wonder:
    "How did they make those things back in the twentieth century?"

    That is if the humming species persists past the nuclear glowball wars
    Did the last male Dino eat the last female Dino and did that species end that way?
    They needed BIG food
    (of course the last female Dino could have eaten the last male Dino, just to be po-littter-cally right, these days).

    Please explain the relevance of that rant to the point
    under discussion: /your/ statement "Never been there,
    been to East Germany before the wall fell, noted
    nothing bad about it."

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Jan Panteltje@21:1/5 to spamjunk@blueyonder.co.uk on Sat Mar 19 12:37:35 2022
    On a sunny day (Sat, 19 Mar 2022 11:18:19 +0000) it happened Tom Gardner <spamjunk@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote in <t14e5r$rr3$1@dont-email.me>:

    On 19/03/22 10:39, Jan Panteltje wrote:
    On a sunny day (Sat, 19 Mar 2022 10:11:13 +0000) it happened Tom Gardner
    <spamjunk@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote in <t14a81$ia2$2@dont-email.me>:

    On 19/03/22 07:42, Jan Panteltje wrote:
    On a sunny day (Fri, 18 Mar 2022 20:55:21 +0000) it happened Tom Gardner >>>> <spamjunk@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote in <t12rjp$7gh$2@dont-email.me>:

    On 18/03/22 18:40, Jan Panteltje wrote:
    On a sunny day (Fri, 18 Mar 2022 18:09:26 +0000) it happened Tom Gardner >>>>>> <spamjunk@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote in <t12hsm$aek$3@dont-email.me>: >>>>>>
    On 18/03/22 16:25, Jan Panteltje wrote:

    was watching Russian TV and I did see / feel a sense of unity there that I do not - and have
    not seen in the US in ages.

    I presume you watched Putin on TV yesterday, calling
    for a "self purification of Russia".

    Now where/when did we hear similar statements before?

    https://twitter.com/carolecadwalla/status/1504235879996534787
    and probably elsewhere.

    Think US is all over, just last bits of noise from a dying empire. >>>>>>> They do have a tendency towards smug self-congratulation that
    they are the most favoured country. The UK was similar in the
    19th and first half of the 20th century.

    That doesn't make Russia a decent place.

    Never been there, been to East Germany before the wall fell,
    noted nothing bad about it.

    So did I, amongst several other relevant things.

    The GDR border guards were /very/ touchy, and people had to be
    very careful not to irritate them. Things like keeping western
    glossy magazines out of site, not bringing East German currency
    out.

    In East Berlin, I went in the best department store, on Alexander
    Platz - because they forced visitors to spend some money in
    East Germany. The *only* thing I found to buy were a few postcards.

    I know someone whose job was to see how well the BBC
    was being received. He was frequently harassed.

    I know someone that divorced (so his wife could come back to
    the UK), crawled under the wall, and was remarried.

    Summary: you must have been blind.

    I can tell you the same about US, and I _have_ seen bad things there.

    I've seen and experienced unsavoury things in the US.
    My parents returned after 19 months in Pittsburg partly
    because of that. I don't remember that because I was a
    toddler.


    Beauty is in the beholders eye...
    Same over here.
    Human nature
    East Germany felt a lot safer than United States,
    But I did see West Side Story before I went to the US and became part of it myself :-)
    There is crime in Russia too ..
    Same over here
    But US is the biggest predator in the world right now mainly because others fear the bomb.
    Now that everybody and their cat has nukes the fear for the US decreases. >>>> Others group together and the US 'Mafia' has the choice of taking a step back or being nuked into oblivion
    History ... Roman Empire
    In a war situation most likely US solders will take a knee
    :-)

    Completely irrelevant to your original point. Little
    more than a disgruntled rant.

    Looks like you are still a toddler
    Try understanding what I wrote when you grow up.

    No Empire Yet has persisted

    Bye Bye America Bye
    what will be left is some black warlords fighting among each other and cooking the victims in big pots
    for breakfast.

    When archaeologists perhaps dig up the statute of glibbery and hundreds of old cellphones
    they will wonder:
    "How did they make those things back in the twentieth century?"

    That is if the humming species persists past the nuclear glowball wars
    Did the last male Dino eat the last female Dino and did that species end that way?
    They needed BIG food
    (of course the last female Dino could have eaten the last male Dino, just to be po-littter-cally right, these days).

    Please explain the relevance of that rant to the point
    under discussion: /your/ statement "Never been there,
    been to East Germany before the wall fell, noted
    nothing bad about it."

    You posted about a couple separating and then marrying again after leaving East Germany.
    I pointed out crime is everywhere,
    They were violating laws there.

    Here people sometimes get married to get a permit to stay, even if in reality they do noy even live together
    also a crime against the law.

    So you insinuated East German laws were bad,
    Maybe there was a d*mn good reason for those laws.

    How many other laws exactly are you violating?

    I mean I do not care, be free to sum th'm all up :-)

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Tom Gardner@21:1/5 to Jan Panteltje on Sat Mar 19 13:47:16 2022
    On 19/03/22 12:37, Jan Panteltje wrote:
    On a sunny day (Sat, 19 Mar 2022 11:18:19 +0000) it happened Tom Gardner <spamjunk@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote in <t14e5r$rr3$1@dont-email.me>:

    On 19/03/22 10:39, Jan Panteltje wrote:
    On a sunny day (Sat, 19 Mar 2022 10:11:13 +0000) it happened Tom Gardner >>> <spamjunk@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote in <t14a81$ia2$2@dont-email.me>:

    On 19/03/22 07:42, Jan Panteltje wrote:
    On a sunny day (Fri, 18 Mar 2022 20:55:21 +0000) it happened Tom Gardner >>>>> <spamjunk@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote in <t12rjp$7gh$2@dont-email.me>:

    On 18/03/22 18:40, Jan Panteltje wrote:
    On a sunny day (Fri, 18 Mar 2022 18:09:26 +0000) it happened Tom Gardner
    <spamjunk@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote in <t12hsm$aek$3@dont-email.me>: >>>>>>>
    On 18/03/22 16:25, Jan Panteltje wrote:

    was watching Russian TV and I did see / feel a sense of unity there that I do not - and have
    not seen in the US in ages.

    I presume you watched Putin on TV yesterday, calling
    for a "self purification of Russia".

    Now where/when did we hear similar statements before?

    https://twitter.com/carolecadwalla/status/1504235879996534787
    and probably elsewhere.

    Think US is all over, just last bits of noise from a dying empire. >>>>>>>> They do have a tendency towards smug self-congratulation that
    they are the most favoured country. The UK was similar in the
    19th and first half of the 20th century.

    That doesn't make Russia a decent place.

    Never been there, been to East Germany before the wall fell,
    noted nothing bad about it.

    So did I, amongst several other relevant things.

    The GDR border guards were /very/ touchy, and people had to be
    very careful not to irritate them. Things like keeping western
    glossy magazines out of site, not bringing East German currency
    out.

    In East Berlin, I went in the best department store, on Alexander
    Platz - because they forced visitors to spend some money in
    East Germany. The *only* thing I found to buy were a few postcards. >>>>>>
    I know someone whose job was to see how well the BBC
    was being received. He was frequently harassed.

    I know someone that divorced (so his wife could come back to
    the UK), crawled under the wall, and was remarried.

    Summary: you must have been blind.

    I can tell you the same about US, and I _have_ seen bad things there. >>>>
    I've seen and experienced unsavoury things in the US.
    My parents returned after 19 months in Pittsburg partly
    because of that. I don't remember that because I was a
    toddler.


    Beauty is in the beholders eye...
    Same over here.
    Human nature
    East Germany felt a lot safer than United States,
    But I did see West Side Story before I went to the US and became part of it myself :-)
    There is crime in Russia too ..
    Same over here
    But US is the biggest predator in the world right now mainly because others fear the bomb.
    Now that everybody and their cat has nukes the fear for the US decreases. >>>>> Others group together and the US 'Mafia' has the choice of taking a step back or being nuked into oblivion
    History ... Roman Empire
    In a war situation most likely US solders will take a knee
    :-)

    Completely irrelevant to your original point. Little
    more than a disgruntled rant.

    Looks like you are still a toddler
    Try understanding what I wrote when you grow up.

    No Empire Yet has persisted

    Bye Bye America Bye
    what will be left is some black warlords fighting among each other and cooking the victims in big pots
    for breakfast.

    When archaeologists perhaps dig up the statute of glibbery and hundreds of old cellphones
    they will wonder:
    "How did they make those things back in the twentieth century?"

    That is if the humming species persists past the nuclear glowball wars
    Did the last male Dino eat the last female Dino and did that species end that way?
    They needed BIG food
    (of course the last female Dino could have eaten the last male Dino, just to be po-littter-cally right, these days).

    Please explain the relevance of that rant to the point
    under discussion: /your/ statement "Never been there,
    been to East Germany before the wall fell, noted
    nothing bad about it."

    You posted about a couple separating and then marrying again after leaving East Germany.

    Yes - in response to your implication that I haven't
    been to both GDR and USA, and that you know better
    than I do.


    I pointed out crime is everywhere,
    They were violating laws there.

    So what? They followed all laws openly and without
    any problem.


    Here people sometimes get married to get a permit to stay, even if in reality they do noy even live together
    also a crime against the law.

    Irrelevant.


    So you insinuated East German laws were bad,
    Maybe there was a d*mn good reason for those laws.

    No, I didn't.

    I'm sure there were good reasons for all the GDR
    laws, even though I think some of them were despicable.


    How many other laws exactly are you violating?

    I mean I do not care, be free to sum th'm all up :-)

    More irrelevant ranting, merely confirming there is no
    relevance to your statement "Never been there, been to
    East Germany before the wall fell, noted nothing bad
    about it."

    Either you were blind and/or you only saw Potemkin
    villages.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Rickster@21:1/5 to Liz Tuddenham on Sat Mar 19 07:31:47 2022
    On Saturday, March 19, 2022 at 5:57:46 AM UTC-4, Liz Tuddenham wrote:
    bitrex <us...@example.net> wrote:

    On 3/18/2022 12:03 PM, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:

    https://www.breitbart.com/europe/2022/03/18/great-reset-germany-wants-eu -ban-on-sale-of-petrol-and-diesel-cars-by-2035/


    I wonder where the electricity will come from. Large-scale generating and distribution systems take a long time to build. And need fuel.

    The increase in generating capacity in the US that would be needed to convert all current personal vehicles to electric isn't huge, about
    what's used for electric lighting, 8%-10% as a ballpark.
    I estimated that the UK would need more than a 30% increase in
    generating capacity to supply the energy requirements of diesel and
    petrol private cars and vans. Railway electrification keeps being
    stalled by political intransigence and electrifiation of heavy goods vehicles is a non-starter at the moment.

    I haven't studied the UK situation in depth, but I suspect you are confusing generating capacity with generating output. While BEVs will require more generating output, they do not require additional generating capacity. There is more than enough
    unused generating capacity available at the slack time, mostly at night.

    This has been discussed ad nauseam. It's hard to imagine anyone would not understand this by now.


    The current UK policies are simply driving the replacement of moderately efficient existing vehicles long before they are life-expired with less efficient new ones that will take years to cover their construction
    costs. The car manufacturing and greenwash lobbies have done an
    excellent job of perverting the minds of scientifically-ignorant politicians.

    What "less efficient" new cars are you talking about? One of the big advantages of BEVs is that they are *much* more efficient, consuming less energy and producing less pollution even if powered from coal generating plants.

    Has your mind been brown-washed?

    --

    Rick C.

    -+- Get 1,000 miles of free Supercharging
    -+- Tesla referral code - https://ts.la/richard11209

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Rickster@21:1/5 to Jan Panteltje on Sat Mar 19 07:23:15 2022
    On Saturday, March 19, 2022 at 3:44:34 AM UTC-4, Jan Panteltje wrote:
    On a sunny day (Fri, 18 Mar 2022 20:55:21 +0000) it happened Tom Gardner <spam...@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote in <t12rjp$7gh$2...@dont-email.me>:
    On 18/03/22 18:40, Jan Panteltje wrote:
    On a sunny day (Fri, 18 Mar 2022 18:09:26 +0000) it happened Tom Gardner >> <spam...@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote in <t12hsm$aek$3...@dont-email.me>:

    On 18/03/22 16:25, Jan Panteltje wrote:

    was watching Russian TV and I did see / feel a sense of unity there that I do not - and have
    not seen in the US in ages.

    I presume you watched Putin on TV yesterday, calling
    for a "self purification of Russia".

    Now where/when did we hear similar statements before?

    https://twitter.com/carolecadwalla/status/1504235879996534787
    and probably elsewhere.

    Think US is all over, just last bits of noise from a dying empire.
    They do have a tendency towards smug self-congratulation that
    they are the most favoured country. The UK was similar in the
    19th and first half of the 20th century.

    That doesn't make Russia a decent place.

    Never been there, been to East Germany before the wall fell,
    noted nothing bad about it.

    So did I, amongst several other relevant things.

    The GDR border guards were /very/ touchy, and people had to be
    very careful not to irritate them. Things like keeping western
    glossy magazines out of site, not bringing East German currency
    out.

    In East Berlin, I went in the best department store, on Alexander
    Platz - because they forced visitors to spend some money in
    East Germany. The *only* thing I found to buy were a few postcards.

    I know someone whose job was to see how well the BBC
    was being received. He was frequently harassed.

    I know someone that divorced (so his wife could come back to
    the UK), crawled under the wall, and was remarried.

    Summary: you must have been blind.
    I can tell you the same about US, and I _have_ seen bad things there.
    Beauty is in the beholders eye...
    Same over here.
    Human nature
    East Germany felt a lot safer than United States,
    But I did see West Side Story before I went to the US and became part of it myself :-)
    There is crime in Russia too ..
    Same over here
    But US is the biggest predator in the world right now mainly because others fear the bomb.
    Now that everybody and their cat has nukes the fear for the US decreases. Others group together and the US 'Mafia' has the choice of taking a step back or being nuked into oblivion
    History ... Roman Empire
    In a war situation most likely US solders will take a knee

    That's a load of crap. The military is all about conditioning soldiers to follow orders without thinking. That's been true for thousands of years.

    More importantly, everything you've written is simply your opinion, based on nothing, but the machinations of your own mind. You describe what others "feel". Maybe you have some knowledge of what people feel in East Germany, or even in regards to "the
    bomb", but you have little knowledge of what US soldiers "feel", so your speculations are not worth the paper they're not written on.

    The grouping together you talk about is the west hoping to not become the victim of Russian aggression, exactly what is happening now.

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  • From John Doe@21:1/5 to David Brown on Sat Mar 19 15:43:29 2022
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    This is the same idiot that pretends to know
    about American free speech, but doesn't...

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    On 18/03/2022 20:31, John Doe wrote:
    Ralph Mowery <rmowery42@charter.net> wrote:

    jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com says...

    The US was never an empire like England and Spain and China and Japan. >>>> All the states chose to be states. We didn't have much of a colonial
    empire, and don't hold any territory by force.

    I would say the war between the states (Civel War) held many states by
    force. Wasn't Texas taken from Mexico ?

    No.

    Mexican troops killed Geronimo's family. Then Geronimo spent the next 3
    decades killing & torturing Mexicans and other Indians along what is now
    our southwestern border. Geronimo died of old age and pneumonia in a US
    Army hospital. Mexico never owned or even controlled anything north of the >> Rio Grande.

    Some of the maps at <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mexican%E2%80%93American_War> suggest otherwise. Of course, this would not be the first time countries
    disagreed about who "owns" or "controls" a piece of land.


    America was anything but Mr Rogers Neighborhood before Europeans arrived.
    The word "savage" was not taken from thin air. Some Comanche torture
    methods are interesting, conceivably promoted by their abuse of peyote.


    The Europeans had a wide selection of imaginative torture methods at
    that time too. But mostly these were reserved for settling theological disputes amongst themselves, rather than for military enemies.

    If Europeans had not settled and developed this land, some other advanced
    civilization would have landed (like Asians, before 1941). Could have been >> MUCH worse for native Indians and our neighbors to the south and north.


    It's hard to imagine how it could have been "MUCH" worse. But it's
    unlikely that it would have been very different.



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  • From John Doe@21:1/5 to All on Sat Mar 19 15:47:04 2022
    lol

    Right. I'm sure the bars on everybody's doors and windows in Puerto Rico
    is "ornamentation".

    Dad and son boiling live lobsters...

    Son: Dad, the lobsters are screaming.

    Dad: No, son, that's the sound of air escaping from them.

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  • From Edward Hernandez@21:1/5 to All on Sat Mar 19 16:15:49 2022
    XPost: free.spam

    The John Doe troll stated the following in message-id <sdhn7c$pkp$4@dont-email.me>:

    The troll doesn't even know how to format a USENET post...

    And the John Doe troll stated the following in message-id <sg3kr7$qt5$1@dont-email.me>:

    The reason Bozo cannot figure out how to get Google to keep from
    breaking its lines in inappropriate places is because Bozo is
    CLUELESS...

    NOBODY likes the John Doe troll's contentless spam.

    And yet, the clueless John Doe troll has continued to post incorrectly formatted USENET articles that are devoid of content (latest example on
    Sat, 19 Mar 2022 15:43:29 -0000 (UTC) in message-id <t14tn1$os7$2@dont-email.me>).

    Further, Troll Doe stated the following in message-id <svsh05$lbh$5@dont-email.me> posted Fri, 4 Mar 2022 08:01:09 -0000
    (UTC):

    Compared to other regulars, Bozo contributes practically nothing
    except insults to this group.

    Yet, since Wed, 5 Jan 2022 04:10:38 -0000 (UTC) Troll Doe's post ratio
    to USENET has been 53.8% of its posts contributing "nothing except
    insults" to USENET.

    This posting is a public service announcement for any google groups
    readers who happen by to point out that the John Doe troll does not even
    follow the rules it uses to troll other posters.

    u8X/0xxS19fN

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  • From Edward Hernandez@21:1/5 to All on Sat Mar 19 16:19:00 2022
    XPost: free.spam

    The John Doe troll stated the following in message-id <sdhn7c$pkp$4@dont-email.me>:

    The troll doesn't even know how to format a USENET post...

    And the John Doe troll stated the following in message-id <sg3kr7$qt5$1@dont-email.me>:

    The reason Bozo cannot figure out how to get Google to keep from
    breaking its lines in inappropriate places is because Bozo is
    CLUELESS...

    NOBODY likes the John Doe troll's contentless spam.

    And yet, the clueless John Doe troll has continued to post incorrectly formatted USENET articles that are devoid of content (latest example on
    Sat, 19 Mar 2022 16:18:10 -0000 (UTC) in message-id <t14vo1$os7$6@dont-email.me>).

    This posting is a public service announcement for any google groups
    readers who happen by to point out that the John Doe troll does not even
    follow the rules it uses to troll other posters.

    ILDcoULiG8Pp

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  • From John Doe@21:1/5 to Edward Hernandez on Sat Mar 19 16:18:10 2022
    XPost: free.spam

    Poor liddle Eddie got spanked and just can't get over it.

    Unless Eddie is nym-shifting, it has never posted anything NORMAL
    except when it got a severe spanking...

    https://groups.google.com/g/sci.electronics.repair/c/MesPLcGU4BE

    Is Eddie a nym-shifting troll, or a newbie netcop wannabe?

    See also...
    Peter Weiner <dtgamer99@gmail.com>
    Edward H. <dtgamer99@gmail.com>
    Edward Hernandez <dtgamer99@gmail.com>

    Eddie is an example for all newbies. Don't get spanked!

    Spanked Eddie...

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    The John Doe troll stated the following in message-id <sdhn7c$pkp$4@dont-email.me>:

    The troll doesn't even know how to format a USENET post...

    And the John Doe troll stated the following in message-id <sg3kr7$qt5$1@dont-email.me>:

    The reason Bozo cannot figure out how to get Google to keep from
    breaking its lines in inappropriate places is because Bozo is
    CLUELESS...

    NOBODY likes the John Doe troll's contentless spam.

    And yet, the clueless John Doe troll has continued to post incorrectly formatted USENET articles that are devoid of content (latest example on
    Sat, 19 Mar 2022 15:43:29 -0000 (UTC) in message-id <t14tn1$os7$2@dont-email.me>).

    Further, Troll Doe stated the following in message-id <svsh05$lbh$5@dont-email.me> posted Fri, 4 Mar 2022 08:01:09 -0000
    (UTC):

    Compared to other regulars, Bozo contributes practically nothing
    except insults to this group.

    Yet, since Wed, 5 Jan 2022 04:10:38 -0000 (UTC) Troll Doe's post ratio
    to USENET has been 53.8% of its posts contributing "nothing except
    insults" to USENET.

    This posting is a public service announcement for any google groups
    readers who happen by to point out that the John Doe troll does not even follow the rules it uses to troll other posters.

    u8X/0xxS19fN




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  • From Rickster@21:1/5 to John Doe on Sat Mar 19 11:13:14 2022
    On Saturday, March 19, 2022 at 11:47:11 AM UTC-4, John Doe wrote:
    lol

    Right. I'm sure the bars on everybody's doors and windows in Puerto Rico
    is "ornamentation".

    Dad and son boiling live lobsters...

    Son: Dad, the lobsters are screaming.

    Dad: No, son, that's the sound of air escaping from them.

    I would provide you with some links, but I know you are very adverse to learning anything that might create cognitive dissonance.

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  • From Rickster@21:1/5 to Flyguy on Sun Mar 20 08:33:05 2022
    On Sunday, March 20, 2022 at 12:56:27 AM UTC-4, Flyguy wrote:
    On Friday, March 18, 2022 at 9:23:01 AM UTC-7, Rickster wrote:
    On Friday, March 18, 2022 at 12:03:43 PM UTC-4, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
    https://www.breitbart.com/europe/2022/03/18/great-reset-germany-wants-eu-ban-on-sale-of-petrol-and-diesel-cars-by-2035/


    I wonder where the electricity will come from. Large-scale generating and distribution systems take a long time to build. And need fuel.
    I suppose you stand by a river and wonder where the water comes from, or stand by train tracks and wonder where the trains come from.

    As everyone else here understands already, we have a great deal of under utilized electrical generation in most parts of the world. In addition we are adding both wind and solar power generation.

    While the under informed are predicting massive lithium shortages, I'm not seeing anyone predicting shortages of electric generation.

    Here are some numbers if the math is not too much for you. The average miles driven in the US is 14,000 a year. That's about 38 miles per day or 9.5 kWh using 4 miles/kWh as a typical BEV consumption. I can plug my BEV into a 120V outlet for less
    than 10 hours a night to charge this much. Yeah, at night when the electrical generating capacity is very, very underutilized.

    What's even better about charging BEVs, is the fact that, to use the term which is applied to generation that is started up quickly, BEV charging is dispatchable, in this case meaning the charge time is typically flexible. Driving 40 miles a day
    means your battery will hold up for a number of days, allowing you to postpone charging until renewable power is in excess supply or the prices are low. I expect a means of coordinating charging with the availability of power will become the norm, no
    matter where you are plugged in. You will tell your car your expected driving for the next few days and the car will work to accommodate that. We may find this turns into an electronic auction yielding low prices for consumers and evening out the
    electrical demand for the suppliers.

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    The Sun is not out at night, and winds are highest in the afternoon, if there is any wind at all. What is required is a major shift to nuclear.

    Nuclear can't be designed to rapidly shift output to match the load. It's also the most expensive energy on earth with new facilities costing more every year. In fact, recent construction seems to work on an asymptotic schedule where every X amount of
    time the schedule is increased by kX. Like Xeno's paradox.

    Why do you see the lack of sunshine at night to be a problem for solar energy? If we are going to have to install massive amounts of energy storage to make nuclear energy work, why not install the same amount of storage and use it with solar and wind
    saving huge amounts of money in the process?

    Doesn't that make sense to you?

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  • From Rickster@21:1/5 to jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com on Sun Mar 20 08:35:50 2022
    On Sunday, March 20, 2022 at 10:55:20 AM UTC-4, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
    On Sun, 20 Mar 2022 00:27:09 -0400, "Tom Del Rosso" <fizzbin...@that-google-mail-domain.com> wrote:

    bitrex wrote:
    On 3/18/2022 12:57 PM, Ralph Mowery wrote:
    In article <n6d93hh06f3l5rsk5...@4ax.com>,
    jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com says...

    The US was never an empire like England and Spain and China and
    Japan. All the states chose to be states. We didn't have much of a
    colonial empire, and don't hold any territory by force.




    I would say the war between the states (Civel War) held many states
    by force.
    Wasn't Texas taken from Mexico ?

    Some would say all of America was taken from lots of people, lol

    And everywhere else is populated by the original inhabitants.
    Don't ignore animal rights! Nasty invasive humans killed off the
    native animal populations who owned the land, well, everywhere.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_North_American_animals_extinct_in_the_Holocene

    and that's just North America.

    Some of the extinction may have been natural, but hunter-gatherers
    sure didn't help.

    Do "original inhabitants" own the land?

    With the conversation being about electric cars in Europe, why is this guy on his soapbox about extinct species???

    I don't get how his mind works.

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  • From M Kfivethousand@21:1/5 to jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com on Sun Mar 20 13:32:03 2022
    On Sunday, March 20, 2022 at 9:55:20 AM UTC-5, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
    On Sun, 20 Mar 2022 00:27:09 -0400, "Tom Del Rosso" <fizzbin...@that-google-mail-domain.com> wrote:

    bitrex wrote:
    On 3/18/2022 12:57 PM, Ralph Mowery wrote:
    In article <n6d93hh06f3l5rsk5...@4ax.com>,
    jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com says...

    The US was never an empire like England and Spain and China and
    Japan. All the states chose to be states. We didn't have much of a
    colonial empire, and don't hold any territory by force.




    I would say the war between the states (Civel War) held many states
    by force.
    Wasn't Texas taken from Mexico ?

    Some would say all of America was taken from lots of people, lol

    And everywhere else is populated by the original inhabitants.
    Don't ignore animal rights! Nasty invasive humans killed off the
    native animal populations who owned the land, well, everywhere.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_North_American_animals_extinct_in_the_Holocene

    and that's just North America.

    Some of the extinction may have been natural, but hunter-gatherers
    sure didn't help.

    Do "original inhabitants" own the land?

    What about herderers
    they have an impact too I bet

    I myself prefer a nice bit of cheese

    My favorite
    If you look at the label closely it says cows milk even though “goat” is in the brand name
    The other is $48 for large quantity which I guess if I can’t find in store will have to do

    mk5000

    Dreams have only one owner at a time. That’s why dreamers are lonely.

    William Faulkner

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  • From whit3rd@21:1/5 to Jan Panteltje on Sun Mar 20 15:29:50 2022
    On Friday, March 18, 2022 at 11:20:06 AM UTC-7, Jan Panteltje wrote:
    On a sunny day (Fri, 18 Mar 2022 09:51:29 -0700) it happened jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote in

    The US was never an empire like England and Spain and China and Japan.
    All the states chose to be states. We didn't have much of a colonial >empire, and don't hold any territory by force.

    They US is basically a bunch of robbers
    They took so many countries by force, invaded those, forced government changes,
    Starting with - yes- the Native Americans.
    bombing Vietnam, invading Iraq, there is no end to it.

    Explain, then, that the Phillippines, Panama Canal Zone, Marshall Islands, asked to be released, and... got their wish. Peacefully.
    Puerto Rico voted not to ask for either release or statehood.

    US foreign policy doesn't include random grabs, none in recent history. Even old acquisitions, like Texas and Hawaii, were nominally unattached when
    they asked for inclusion. Purchases, like Louisiana and Alaska, were more-or-less pure, though the Gadsden purchase has some rough edges.

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  • From Rickster@21:1/5 to All on Sun Mar 20 18:49:38 2022
    On Sunday, March 20, 2022 at 6:29:54 PM UTC-4, whit3rd wrote:
    On Friday, March 18, 2022 at 11:20:06 AM UTC-7, Jan Panteltje wrote:
    On a sunny day (Fri, 18 Mar 2022 09:51:29 -0700) it happened jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote in
    The US was never an empire like England and Spain and China and Japan. >All the states chose to be states. We didn't have much of a colonial >empire, and don't hold any territory by force.
    They US is basically a bunch of robbers
    They took so many countries by force, invaded those, forced government changes,
    Starting with - yes- the Native Americans.
    bombing Vietnam, invading Iraq, there is no end to it.

    Explain, then, that the Phillippines, Panama Canal Zone, Marshall Islands, asked to be released, and... got their wish. Peacefully.
    Puerto Rico voted not to ask for either release or statehood.

    US foreign policy doesn't include random grabs, none in recent history. Even old acquisitions, like Texas and Hawaii, were nominally unattached when
    they asked for inclusion. Purchases, like Louisiana and Alaska, were more-or-less pure, though the Gadsden purchase has some rough edges.

    The only reason why Texas consented to be part of the union is because Mexico still considered them to be part of Mexico and being part of the US would be the lesser of two evils. There was also the possibility of not actually getting a choice as was
    the case in Hawaii. I assume you aren't aware of the history of Hawaii since you seem to be saying they joined voluntarily. I think it was voluntary with a figurative gun at their head... of state. I'm not saying anyone pointed a gun toward Texas, but
    I believe it was indicated that could happen if they didn't join voluntarily.

    Of the people I've asked in Puerto Rico, many say they would prefer to be part of Spain. I haven't heard that is on the table. It's not like being part of the US is doing a lot for them other than allowing residents to freely travel and work in the
    mainland. Many take up that option, in particular after Maria. Four years later, it is clear how deep the scar runs. I've grown attached to the place. I hope they can recoup some of the lost talent.

    --

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  • From whit3rd@21:1/5 to Rickster on Sun Mar 20 23:28:29 2022
    On Sunday, March 20, 2022 at 6:49:42 PM UTC-7, Rickster wrote:
    On Sunday, March 20, 2022 at 6:29:54 PM UTC-4, whit3rd wrote:
    ...acquisitions, like Texas and Hawaii, were nominally unattached when they asked for inclusion.

    The only reason why Texas consented to be part of the union is because Mexico still considered them to be part of Mexico and being part of the US would be the lesser of two evils. There was also the possibility of not actually getting a choice as was
    the case in Hawaii. I assume you aren't aware of the history of Hawaii since you seem to be saying they joined voluntarily. I think it was voluntary with a figurative gun at their head... of state. I'm not saying anyone pointed a gun toward Texas, but I
    believe it was indicated that could happen if they didn't join voluntarily.

    The Hawaii situation was unknown to US officialdom until that coup (by a mixed group,
    probably including the US ambassador) was complete.
    Grover Cleveland didn't approve, and even tried to undo the coup... didn't work.
    The next president annexed Hawaii; the queen had formally abdicated by then. I'd say 'nominally unattached' fits the situation.

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  • From Rickster@21:1/5 to All on Mon Mar 21 00:01:00 2022
    On Monday, March 21, 2022 at 2:28:33 AM UTC-4, whit3rd wrote:
    On Sunday, March 20, 2022 at 6:49:42 PM UTC-7, Rickster wrote:
    On Sunday, March 20, 2022 at 6:29:54 PM UTC-4, whit3rd wrote:
    ...acquisitions, like Texas and Hawaii, were nominally unattached when they asked for inclusion.
    The only reason why Texas consented to be part of the union is because Mexico still considered them to be part of Mexico and being part of the US would be the lesser of two evils. There was also the possibility of not actually getting a choice as was
    the case in Hawaii. I assume you aren't aware of the history of Hawaii since you seem to be saying they joined voluntarily. I think it was voluntary with a figurative gun at their head... of state. I'm not saying anyone pointed a gun toward Texas, but I
    believe it was indicated that could happen if they didn't join voluntarily.
    The Hawaii situation was unknown to US officialdom until that coup (by a mixed group,
    probably including the US ambassador) was complete.
    Grover Cleveland didn't approve, and even tried to undo the coup... didn't work.
    The next president annexed Hawaii; the queen had formally abdicated by then. I'd say 'nominally unattached' fits the situation.

    Perhaps you could explain what you mean by "nominally unattached"? If you mean unattached from the US, I'm not following what distinction you are trying to make.

    While Dole, et. al. were the individuals who physically took over the country, it was with support and full knowledge of many in the US government who wanted to annex Hawaii to keep it out of the hands of others. Of course, Dole's interest was purely
    commercial. Not even a month after Dole's coup, the US Minister to the island nation, officially recognized Dole's government and declared Hawaii a US protectorate, of his own accord.

    It is pretty obvious that even with Cleveland not being in support of the action, it was an inevitable act as it was just too irresistible to the US. That's why Cleveland's desire to reverse the actions of the coup was ultimately frustrated. The
    important fact is that at no point did Hawaiians ask or desire to be part of the US. While it was bloodless, it was no less a hostile takeover than an invasion.

    --

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  • From Ed Lee@21:1/5 to jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com on Mon Mar 21 05:35:05 2022
    On Friday, March 18, 2022 at 9:03:43 AM UTC-7, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
    https://www.breitbart.com/europe/2022/03/18/great-reset-germany-wants-eu-ban-on-sale-of-petrol-and-diesel-cars-by-2035/

    US and Cal also.

    So, who are we going to call for help?

    I am stuck overnight between chargers. The rest stop with charger is closed. Of course, there is no way to find that out except when approaching the area. Otherwise, i would have charged-up somewhere else.

    Fortunately, i signed up for "Good Sam" (AAA equiv) two days ago. Now waiting for the 48 hours activation period.

    Good Sam offer unlimited mile towing (i need 7 miles today). AAA (5 miles) is too short and AAA+ (100 miles) is too much.

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  • From Jan Panteltje@21:1/5 to edward.ming.lee@gmail.com on Mon Mar 21 12:54:47 2022
    On a sunny day (Mon, 21 Mar 2022 05:35:05 -0700 (PDT)) it happened Ed Lee <edward.ming.lee@gmail.com> wrote in <6e9b76e4-5310-45e3-a6a7-d65f6051cd0fn@googlegroups.com>:

    On Friday, March 18, 2022 at 9:03:43 AM UTC-7, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
    https://www.breitbart.com/europe/2022/03/18/great-reset-germany-wants-eu-ban-on-sale-of-petrol-and-diesel-cars-by-2035/

    US and Cal also.

    So, who are we going to call for help?

    I am stuck overnight between chargers. The rest stop with charger is closed. Of course, there is no way to find that out
    except when approaching the area. Otherwise, i would have charged-up somewhere else.

    Fortunately, i signed up for "Good Sam" (AAA equiv) two days ago. Now waiting for the 48 hours activation period.

    Good Sam offer unlimited mile towing (i need 7 miles today). AAA (5 miles) is too short and AAA+ (100 miles) is too much.

    Seems people are working on 100% solar
    https://lightyear.one/lightyear-one

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  • From jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com@21:1/5 to edward.ming.lee@gmail.com on Mon Mar 21 07:20:29 2022
    On Mon, 21 Mar 2022 05:35:05 -0700 (PDT), Ed Lee
    <edward.ming.lee@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Friday, March 18, 2022 at 9:03:43 AM UTC-7, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
    https://www.breitbart.com/europe/2022/03/18/great-reset-germany-wants-eu-ban-on-sale-of-petrol-and-diesel-cars-by-2035/

    US and Cal also.

    So, who are we going to call for help?

    I am stuck overnight between chargers. The rest stop with charger is closed. Of course, there is no way to find that out except when approaching the area. Otherwise, i would have charged-up somewhere else.

    Is that situation hypothetical or real?



    --

    I yam what I yam - Popeye

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  • From Ed Lee@21:1/5 to jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com on Mon Mar 21 10:34:32 2022
    On Monday, March 21, 2022 at 7:20:41 AM UTC-7, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
    On Mon, 21 Mar 2022 05:35:05 -0700 (PDT), Ed Lee
    <edward....@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Friday, March 18, 2022 at 9:03:43 AM UTC-7, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
    https://www.breitbart.com/europe/2022/03/18/great-reset-germany-wants-eu-ban-on-sale-of-petrol-and-diesel-cars-by-2035/

    US and Cal also.

    So, who are we going to call for help?

    I am stuck overnight between chargers. The rest stop with charger is closed. Of course, there is no way to find that out except when approaching the area. Otherwise, i would have charged-up somewhere else.
    Is that situation hypothetical or real?

    Real. Plugshare show the charger available, but no way to get to it without running the blockage.

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  • From John Larkin@21:1/5 to marika5000@gmail.com on Mon Mar 21 12:06:22 2022
    On Sun, 20 Mar 2022 13:32:03 -0700 (PDT), M Kfivethousand <marika5000@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Sunday, March 20, 2022 at 9:55:20 AM UTC-5, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
    On Sun, 20 Mar 2022 00:27:09 -0400, "Tom Del Rosso"
    <fizzbin...@that-google-mail-domain.com> wrote:

    bitrex wrote:
    On 3/18/2022 12:57 PM, Ralph Mowery wrote:
    In article <n6d93hh06f3l5rsk5...@4ax.com>,
    jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com says...

    The US was never an empire like England and Spain and China and
    Japan. All the states chose to be states. We didn't have much of a
    colonial empire, and don't hold any territory by force.




    I would say the war between the states (Civel War) held many states
    by force.
    Wasn't Texas taken from Mexico ?

    Some would say all of America was taken from lots of people, lol

    And everywhere else is populated by the original inhabitants.
    Don't ignore animal rights! Nasty invasive humans killed off the
    native animal populations who owned the land, well, everywhere.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_North_American_animals_extinct_in_the_Holocene

    and that's just North America.

    Some of the extinction may have been natural, but hunter-gatherers
    sure didn't help.

    Do "original inhabitants" own the land?

    What about herderers
    they have an impact too I bet

    I myself prefer a nice bit of cheese

    The US used to be a cheese desert, but things are better now. Sartori
    makes great parmesan. Cowgirl Creamery makes fun stuff. Tillamook
    cheddars are good.

    --

    If a man will begin with certainties, he shall end with doubts,
    but if he will be content to begin with doubts he shall end in certainties. Francis Bacon

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  • From Rickster@21:1/5 to Jan Panteltje on Mon Mar 21 13:11:53 2022
    On Monday, March 21, 2022 at 8:55:27 AM UTC-4, Jan Panteltje wrote:
    On a sunny day (Mon, 21 Mar 2022 05:35:05 -0700 (PDT)) it happened Ed Lee <edward....@gmail.com> wrote in
    <6e9b76e4-5310-45e3...@googlegroups.com>:
    On Friday, March 18, 2022 at 9:03:43 AM UTC-7, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
    https://www.breitbart.com/europe/2022/03/18/great-reset-germany-wants-eu-ban-on-sale-of-petrol-and-diesel-cars-by-2035/

    US and Cal also.

    So, who are we going to call for help?

    I am stuck overnight between chargers. The rest stop with charger is closed. Of course, there is no way to find that out
    except when approaching the area. Otherwise, i would have charged-up somewhere else.

    Fortunately, i signed up for "Good Sam" (AAA equiv) two days ago. Now waiting for the 48 hours activation period.

    Good Sam offer unlimited mile towing (i need 7 miles today). AAA (5 miles) is too short and AAA+ (100 miles) is too much.
    Seems people are working on 100% solar
    https://lightyear.one/lightyear-one

    There numbers do work out to allow adequate charging from the sun in most regions of the US... when it isn't blocked by weather. They talk about 7.5 mi of range per hour. Where I am in midatlantic has a bit over 4 peak hours of sunlight per day, or 30
    miles of range, about the average drive.

    What is really impressive, is the consumption. They list 134 kW/mi which is the lowest I've ever heard of. The model 3 gets around 250 Wh/mi and sometimes up to 200 Wh/mi.

    Interesting.

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  • From Rickster@21:1/5 to Ed Lee on Mon Mar 21 13:13:49 2022
    On Monday, March 21, 2022 at 1:34:37 PM UTC-4, Ed Lee wrote:
    On Monday, March 21, 2022 at 7:20:41 AM UTC-7, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
    On Mon, 21 Mar 2022 05:35:05 -0700 (PDT), Ed Lee
    <edward....@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Friday, March 18, 2022 at 9:03:43 AM UTC-7, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
    https://www.breitbart.com/europe/2022/03/18/great-reset-germany-wants-eu-ban-on-sale-of-petrol-and-diesel-cars-by-2035/

    US and Cal also.

    So, who are we going to call for help?

    I am stuck overnight between chargers. The rest stop with charger is closed. Of course, there is no way to find that out except when approaching the area. Otherwise, i would have charged-up somewhere else.
    Is that situation hypothetical or real?
    Real. Plugshare show the charger available, but no way to get to it without running the blockage.

    Plugshare is updated by users who wish to contribute, like reviews on Google maps.

    The Tesla data is a lot more accurate, as their chargers are connected to their system in real time.

    --

    Rick C.

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    ----+ Tesla referral code - https://ts.la/richard11209

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  • From Mike Monett@21:1/5 to jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com on Tue Mar 22 00:00:46 2022
    jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:

    On Mon, 21 Mar 2022 05:35:05 -0700 (PDT), Ed Lee
    <edward.ming.lee@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Friday, March 18, 2022 at 9:03:43 AM UTC-7, >>jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
    https://www.breitbart.com/europe/2022/03/18/great-reset-germany-wants-e
    u-ban-on-sale-of-petrol-and-diesel-cars-by-2035/

    US and Cal also.

    So, who are we going to call for help?

    I am stuck overnight between chargers. The rest stop with charger is >>closed. Of course, there is no way to find that out except when >>approaching the area. Otherwise, i would have charged-up somewhere
    else.

    Is that situation hypothetical or real?

    Or you arrive and the charger is out of service. Many companies sell
    hybrids. Hopefully they will come to their senses and continue sales.




    --
    MRM

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  • From Rickster@21:1/5 to Mike Monett on Mon Mar 21 22:29:37 2022
    On Monday, March 21, 2022 at 8:00:53 PM UTC-4, Mike Monett wrote:
    jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:

    On Mon, 21 Mar 2022 05:35:05 -0700 (PDT), Ed Lee
    <edward....@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Friday, March 18, 2022 at 9:03:43 AM UTC-7, >>jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
    https://www.breitbart.com/europe/2022/03/18/great-reset-germany-wants-e >>> u-ban-on-sale-of-petrol-and-diesel-cars-by-2035/

    US and Cal also.

    So, who are we going to call for help?

    I am stuck overnight between chargers. The rest stop with charger is >>closed. Of course, there is no way to find that out except when >>approaching the area. Otherwise, i would have charged-up somewhere
    else.

    Is that situation hypothetical or real?
    Or you arrive and the charger is out of service. Many companies sell hybrids. Hopefully they will come to their senses and continue sales.

    I've put 43,000 miles on my BEV with over 90% of that charged at Superchargers. I've NEVER had a problem of not being able to charge because of any sort of failure. I'm not saying that chargers don't break. I've seen that. I'm saying that there is
    always more than one charger at a location so the relatively low failure rate does not impact charger availability in any significant way.

    It seems like you are just biased about BEVs, independent of the facts.

    --

    Rick C.

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    ---+- Tesla referral code - https://ts.la/richard11209

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  • From bitrex@21:1/5 to Tom Del Rosso on Tue Mar 22 15:33:40 2022
    On 3/20/2022 12:38 AM, Tom Del Rosso wrote:
    jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
    https://www.breitbart.com/europe/2022/03/18/great-reset-germany-wants-eu-ban-on-sale-of-petrol-and-diesel-cars-by-2035/


    I wonder where the electricity will come from. Large-scale generating
    and distribution systems take a long time to build. And need fuel.

    They didn't say they wanted to replace the cars with anything. They said
    only that they wanted to eliminate the cars.

    Biden phrased it the same way. They intend for you to use a bus or a
    bicycle, but they won't say what they really want.


    Yes, sounds like America to me. It's not the taxes that are the problem,
    it's that paying them is such a lousy value for the money. Yeah
    eliminate cars, to be replaced with, y'know. Whatever.

    No, I'm not in favor of AoC's plan to "tax the rich" if the intent is to
    spend it all on 500 gajillion worth of hi-tech defense junk like a
    drunken sailor on booze & hookers, what's the point. But by the look of
    things that IS the plan at this point.

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  • From bitrex@21:1/5 to jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com on Tue Mar 22 15:22:34 2022
    On 3/20/2022 11:01 AM, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
    On Sun, 20 Mar 2022 00:38:55 -0400, "Tom Del Rosso" <fizzbintuesday@that-google-mail-domain.com> wrote:

    jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
    https://www.breitbart.com/europe/2022/03/18/great-reset-germany-wants-eu-ban-on-sale-of-petrol-and-diesel-cars-by-2035/


    I wonder where the electricity will come from. Large-scale generating
    and distribution systems take a long time to build. And need fuel.

    They didn't say they wanted to replace the cars with anything. They said
    only that they wanted to eliminate the cars.

    Biden phrased it the same way. They intend for you to use a bus or a
    bicycle, but they won't say what they really want.

    Good point. Owning a car grants freedoms to the masses, and our wise leadership doesn't want that.

    When I was in the Moscow, all the cars had to pull over whan a fat cat
    Party member zoomed by in the left lane in his limo. I think the left
    lane was actually reserved for them.

    We underlings are slowing down the elites. We should be on trains or bicycles.

    Have you seen what the e.g. sleeper trains in Japan look like? And
    unlike Amtrak they don't even cost an arm and a leg to ride on rattly
    rails and get a complimentary Dunkin Donuts coffee for $389 one-way.

    <https://youtu.be/KG53Pr3pFg4>

    I would ride this to visit my buddy in Chicago every time if this class
    of service were available in the US, what's so "freedom" about driving.
    The highways are clogged up with idiot morons you just put your life and
    tens of thousands worth of car on the line anytime you go significant
    distance, and us young Gen Xers don't have that many paid-off assets to spare...

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  • From Ed Lee@21:1/5 to Rickster on Tue Mar 22 12:41:20 2022
    On Monday, March 21, 2022 at 10:29:42 PM UTC-7, Rickster wrote:
    On Monday, March 21, 2022 at 8:00:53 PM UTC-4, Mike Monett wrote:
    jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:

    On Mon, 21 Mar 2022 05:35:05 -0700 (PDT), Ed Lee
    <edward....@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Friday, March 18, 2022 at 9:03:43 AM UTC-7, >>jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
    https://www.breitbart.com/europe/2022/03/18/great-reset-germany-wants-e
    u-ban-on-sale-of-petrol-and-diesel-cars-by-2035/

    US and Cal also.

    So, who are we going to call for help?

    I am stuck overnight between chargers. The rest stop with charger is >>closed. Of course, there is no way to find that out except when >>approaching the area. Otherwise, i would have charged-up somewhere >>else.

    Is that situation hypothetical or real?
    Or you arrive and the charger is out of service. Many companies sell hybrids. Hopefully they will come to their senses and continue sales.
    I've put 43,000 miles on my BEV with over 90% of that charged at Superchargers. I've NEVER had a problem of not being able to charge because of any sort of failure. I'm not saying that chargers don't break. I've seen that. I'm saying that there is
    always more than one charger at a location so the relatively low failure rate does not impact charger availability in any significant way.

    I think there are two working chargers there, but the whole rest area is closed.

    Anyway, i signed up for "Good Sam" road service before the trip. I was expecting to use it up hill out of LA, 25 miles from 2000 feet to 5000 feet. Didn't expect to use it so soon.

    First cop came at 5am, woke me up and told me to leave. I said i am calling the tow truck.

    Second cop came at 7am. She gave me 4 hours before she is calling their tow truck.

    After several phone calls to "Good Sam", finally got a pickup with flat back trailer. But my front wheels are locked without power to steer or put gear in neutral. He had to pull it up with the wheel locked.

    Came to charging place. Plug it in and nothing happen. My 12V battery is also drained. No charging circuit or power relay. I had to wire up jumper spare battery to enable 12V than charge. The main was down to 10%. At 15%, i can at least shift to
    neutral, drop the car down.

    The tow driver was constantly on the phone to his office, complaining about the time it's taking. I gave home $20 tips.

    Is the public ready for EV? Are we there yet?

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  • From Ralph Mowery@21:1/5 to All on Tue Mar 22 17:48:53 2022
    In article <c1dca867-d42c-4fff-aac2-85d31ca53f90n@googlegroups.com>, edward.ming.lee@gmail.com says...

    I think there are two working chargers there, but the whole rest area is closed.

    Anyway, i signed up for "Good Sam" road service before the trip. I was expecting to use it up hill out of LA, 25 miles from 2000 feet to 5000 feet. Didn't expect to use it so soon.

    First cop came at 5am, woke me up and told me to leave. I said i am calling the tow truck.

    Second cop came at 7am. She gave me 4 hours before she is calling their tow truck.

    After several phone calls to "Good Sam", finally got a pickup with flat back trailer. But my front wheels are locked without power to steer or put gear in neutral. He had to pull it up with the wheel locked.

    Came to charging place. Plug it in and nothing happen. My 12V battery is also drained. No charging circuit or power relay. I had to wire up jumper spare battery to enable 12V than charge. The main was down to 10%. At 15%, i can at least shift to
    neutral, drop the car down.

    The tow driver was constantly on the phone to his office, complaining about the time it's taking. I gave home $20 tips.

    Is the public ready for EV? Are we there yet?



    Looks like the tow trucks are going to have to install large generators
    so they can charge you up in an hour or so to get you going again. Sort
    of like them bring you a 5 gallon can of gas for the gas cars when you
    run out. How long would it take for say a 10 kw generator like you can
    buy for your house to charge the car up to run for an hour or so if you
    do not run the heat or air ?

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  • From Lasse Langwadt Christensen@21:1/5 to All on Tue Mar 22 14:55:17 2022
    tirsdag den 22. marts 2022 kl. 22.49.01 UTC+1 skrev Ralph Mowery:
    In article <c1dca867-d42c-4fff...@googlegroups.com>,
    edward....@gmail.com says...

    I think there are two working chargers there, but the whole rest area is closed.

    Anyway, i signed up for "Good Sam" road service before the trip. I was expecting to use it up hill out of LA, 25 miles from 2000 feet to 5000 feet. Didn't expect to use it so soon.

    First cop came at 5am, woke me up and told me to leave. I said i am calling the tow truck.

    Second cop came at 7am. She gave me 4 hours before she is calling their tow truck.

    After several phone calls to "Good Sam", finally got a pickup with flat back trailer. But my front wheels are locked without power to steer or put gear in neutral. He had to pull it up with the wheel locked.

    Came to charging place. Plug it in and nothing happen. My 12V battery is also drained. No charging circuit or power relay. I had to wire up jumper spare battery to enable 12V than charge. The main was down to 10%. At 15%, i can at least shift to
    neutral, drop the car down.

    The tow driver was constantly on the phone to his office, complaining about the time it's taking. I gave home $20 tips.

    Is the public ready for EV? Are we there yet?


    Looks like the tow trucks are going to have to install large generators
    so they can charge you up in an hour or so to get you going again. Sort
    of like them bring you a 5 gallon can of gas for the gas cars when you
    run out. How long would it take for say a 10 kw generator like you can
    buy for your house to charge the car up to run for an hour or so if you
    do not run the heat or air ?

    10kw is roughly what a car needs to maintain a constant ~80k/h on a flat road

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  • From Ed Lee@21:1/5 to Ralph Mowery on Tue Mar 22 16:13:16 2022
    On Tuesday, March 22, 2022 at 2:49:01 PM UTC-7, Ralph Mowery wrote:
    In article <c1dca867-d42c-4fff...@googlegroups.com>,
    edward....@gmail.com says...

    I think there are two working chargers there, but the whole rest area is closed.

    Anyway, i signed up for "Good Sam" road service before the trip. I was expecting to use it up hill out of LA, 25 miles from 2000 feet to 5000 feet. Didn't expect to use it so soon.

    First cop came at 5am, woke me up and told me to leave. I said i am calling the tow truck.

    Second cop came at 7am. She gave me 4 hours before she is calling their tow truck.

    After several phone calls to "Good Sam", finally got a pickup with flat back trailer. But my front wheels are locked without power to steer or put gear in neutral. He had to pull it up with the wheel locked.

    Came to charging place. Plug it in and nothing happen. My 12V battery is also drained. No charging circuit or power relay. I had to wire up jumper spare battery to enable 12V than charge. The main was down to 10%. At 15%, i can at least shift to
    neutral, drop the car down.

    The tow driver was constantly on the phone to his office, complaining about the time it's taking. I gave home $20 tips.

    Is the public ready for EV? Are we there yet?


    Looks like the tow trucks are going to have to install large generators
    so they can charge you up in an hour or so to get you going again. Sort
    of like them bring you a 5 gallon can of gas for the gas cars when you
    run out. How long would it take for say a 10 kw generator like you can
    buy for your house to charge the car up to run for an hour or so if you
    do not run the heat or air ?

    No, 2 to 3 kw battery inverter would do. Just enough to bring it up to shift gear (15% SOC).

    They (dispatcher and tow-er) were ill prepared for EV, especially totally dead battery (10% SOC). Jack-up tow truck would be better than flat bed, for locked wheels. With flat bed, he should at least have wheel dollies. Also, he was pulling left or
    right wheels alternatively, because he did not have cross-strap connecting both wheels. Perhaps it's the owner's (me) responsibility to carry towing cross strap. A flat-bed need to wait for me to charge 5% to unlock drive chain, whereas jack-up can
    just drop me off there. Anyway, good learning experience for both of us. But how many other tow-er and driver need to learn this way?

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  • From Ed Lee@21:1/5 to lang...@fonz.dk on Tue Mar 22 16:28:37 2022
    On Tuesday, March 22, 2022 at 2:55:20 PM UTC-7, lang...@fonz.dk wrote:
    tirsdag den 22. marts 2022 kl. 22.49.01 UTC+1 skrev Ralph Mowery:
    In article <c1dca867-d42c-4fff...@googlegroups.com>,
    edward....@gmail.com says...

    I think there are two working chargers there, but the whole rest area is closed.

    Anyway, i signed up for "Good Sam" road service before the trip. I was expecting to use it up hill out of LA, 25 miles from 2000 feet to 5000 feet. Didn't expect to use it so soon.

    First cop came at 5am, woke me up and told me to leave. I said i am calling the tow truck.

    Second cop came at 7am. She gave me 4 hours before she is calling their tow truck.

    After several phone calls to "Good Sam", finally got a pickup with flat back trailer. But my front wheels are locked without power to steer or put gear in neutral. He had to pull it up with the wheel locked.

    Came to charging place. Plug it in and nothing happen. My 12V battery is also drained. No charging circuit or power relay. I had to wire up jumper spare battery to enable 12V than charge. The main was down to 10%. At 15%, i can at least shift to
    neutral, drop the car down.

    The tow driver was constantly on the phone to his office, complaining about the time it's taking. I gave him $20 tips.

    Is the public ready for EV? Are we there yet?


    Looks like the tow trucks are going to have to install large generators
    so they can charge you up in an hour or so to get you going again. Sort
    of like them bring you a 5 gallon can of gas for the gas cars when you
    run out. How long would it take for say a 10 kw generator like you can
    buy for your house to charge the car up to run for an hour or so if you
    do not run the heat or air ?
    10kw is roughly what a car needs to maintain a constant ~80k/h on a flat road

    I was 12 miles from charging station. Around 4 kwhr would do. My empty battery can charge at 40kw DCFC. 10 to 15 min would be enough.

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  • From Rickster@21:1/5 to Ed Lee on Tue Mar 22 20:20:07 2022
    On Tuesday, March 22, 2022 at 7:13:20 PM UTC-4, Ed Lee wrote:
    On Tuesday, March 22, 2022 at 2:49:01 PM UTC-7, Ralph Mowery wrote:
    In article <c1dca867-d42c-4fff...@googlegroups.com>,
    edward....@gmail.com says...

    I think there are two working chargers there, but the whole rest area is closed.

    Anyway, i signed up for "Good Sam" road service before the trip. I was expecting to use it up hill out of LA, 25 miles from 2000 feet to 5000 feet. Didn't expect to use it so soon.

    First cop came at 5am, woke me up and told me to leave. I said i am calling the tow truck.

    Second cop came at 7am. She gave me 4 hours before she is calling their tow truck.

    After several phone calls to "Good Sam", finally got a pickup with flat back trailer. But my front wheels are locked without power to steer or put gear in neutral. He had to pull it up with the wheel locked.

    Came to charging place. Plug it in and nothing happen. My 12V battery is also drained. No charging circuit or power relay. I had to wire up jumper spare battery to enable 12V than charge. The main was down to 10%. At 15%, i can at least shift to
    neutral, drop the car down.

    The tow driver was constantly on the phone to his office, complaining about the time it's taking. I gave home $20 tips.

    Is the public ready for EV? Are we there yet?


    Looks like the tow trucks are going to have to install large generators
    so they can charge you up in an hour or so to get you going again. Sort
    of like them bring you a 5 gallon can of gas for the gas cars when you
    run out. How long would it take for say a 10 kw generator like you can
    buy for your house to charge the car up to run for an hour or so if you
    do not run the heat or air ?
    No, 2 to 3 kw battery inverter would do. Just enough to bring it up to shift gear (15% SOC).

    They (dispatcher and tow-er) were ill prepared for EV, especially totally dead battery (10% SOC). Jack-up tow truck would be better than flat bed, for locked wheels. With flat bed, he should at least have wheel dollies. Also, he was pulling left or
    right wheels alternatively, because he did not have cross-strap connecting both wheels. Perhaps it's the owner's (me) responsibility to carry towing cross strap. A flat-bed need to wait for me to charge 5% to unlock drive chain, whereas jack-up can just
    drop me off there. Anyway, good learning experience for both of us. But how many other tow-er and driver need to learn this way?

    If you continue to drive in a manner that any hiccup will sideline you, you will find very few towing companies know how to tow an EV. Why? Because they've never had to tow one.

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  • From Rickster@21:1/5 to Ed Lee on Tue Mar 22 20:17:47 2022
    On Tuesday, March 22, 2022 at 3:41:23 PM UTC-4, Ed Lee wrote:
    On Monday, March 21, 2022 at 10:29:42 PM UTC-7, Rickster wrote:
    On Monday, March 21, 2022 at 8:00:53 PM UTC-4, Mike Monett wrote:
    jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:

    On Mon, 21 Mar 2022 05:35:05 -0700 (PDT), Ed Lee <edward....@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Friday, March 18, 2022 at 9:03:43 AM UTC-7, >>jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
    https://www.breitbart.com/europe/2022/03/18/great-reset-germany-wants-e
    u-ban-on-sale-of-petrol-and-diesel-cars-by-2035/

    US and Cal also.

    So, who are we going to call for help?

    I am stuck overnight between chargers. The rest stop with charger is >>closed. Of course, there is no way to find that out except when >>approaching the area. Otherwise, i would have charged-up somewhere >>else.

    Is that situation hypothetical or real?
    Or you arrive and the charger is out of service. Many companies sell hybrids. Hopefully they will come to their senses and continue sales.
    I've put 43,000 miles on my BEV with over 90% of that charged at Superchargers. I've NEVER had a problem of not being able to charge because of any sort of failure. I'm not saying that chargers don't break. I've seen that. I'm saying that there is
    always more than one charger at a location so the relatively low failure rate does not impact charger availability in any significant way.
    I think there are two working chargers there, but the whole rest area is closed.

    Anyway, i signed up for "Good Sam" road service before the trip. I was expecting to use it up hill out of LA, 25 miles from 2000 feet to 5000 feet. Didn't expect to use it so soon.

    First cop came at 5am, woke me up and told me to leave. I said i am calling the tow truck.

    Second cop came at 7am. She gave me 4 hours before she is calling their tow truck.

    After several phone calls to "Good Sam", finally got a pickup with flat back trailer. But my front wheels are locked without power to steer or put gear in neutral. He had to pull it up with the wheel locked.

    Came to charging place. Plug it in and nothing happen. My 12V battery is also drained. No charging circuit or power relay. I had to wire up jumper spare battery to enable 12V than charge. The main was down to 10%. At 15%, i can at least shift to
    neutral, drop the car down.

    The tow driver was constantly on the phone to his office, complaining about the time it's taking. I gave home $20 tips.

    Is the public ready for EV? Are we there yet?

    LOL! Yes, the public is ready for BEVs. It's the Ed factor that we aren't ready for. Maybe I shouldn't judge so harshly, but you create these problems by driving a very unrealistic vehicle. What is your range in this contraption? I think you said
    about 40-50 miles? That's hybrid territory, not BEV.

    I just learned the other day that the Leaf is not rated to be charged at DC fast chargers without significant wear to the battery. Even then, it is limited to some low number, like 70 kW? Maybe that's not unrealistic since the batteries in them are not
    so large. The limitation to charging time is actually the C rating, meaning they all achieve around 1 hour, give or take, for a total charge.

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  • From jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com@21:1/5 to rmowery42@charter.net on Wed Mar 23 07:46:39 2022
    On Wed, 23 Mar 2022 10:22:32 -0400, Ralph Mowery
    <rmowery42@charter.net> wrote:

    In article <f6d139e4-a441-4637-9726-e31c216a4a90n@googlegroups.com>, >edward.ming.lee@gmail.com says...

    I was 12 miles from charging station. Around 4 kwhr would do. My empty battery can charge at 40kw DCFC. 10 to 15 min would be enough.



    So from this I get that if a tow truck had a 10 kw generator on it you
    could take about half an hour charge and go about 10 to 15 miles. That
    shoud be enough to get you to a charging station in many cases. You
    could even have a friend to put a home type portable generator in the
    back of a pickup truck and bring it to you for charging if you ran out
    out battery power not too far from home.

    Guess that you could have small trailer behind the car with a genertor
    on it to get you home. Sort of like a picture I saw of a 'red neck air >conditioner' on a car. Home window unit in the car window and generator >powering it.

    Each Tesla should come standard with a Honda generator in the trunk.



    --

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  • From Ralph Mowery@21:1/5 to All on Wed Mar 23 10:22:32 2022
    In article <f6d139e4-a441-4637-9726-e31c216a4a90n@googlegroups.com>, edward.ming.lee@gmail.com says...

    I was 12 miles from charging station. Around 4 kwhr would do. My empty battery can charge at 40kw DCFC. 10 to 15 min would be enough.



    So from this I get that if a tow truck had a 10 kw generator on it you
    could take about half an hour charge and go about 10 to 15 miles. That
    shoud be enough to get you to a charging station in many cases. You
    could even have a friend to put a home type portable generator in the
    back of a pickup truck and bring it to you for charging if you ran out
    out battery power not too far from home.

    Guess that you could have small trailer behind the car with a genertor
    on it to get you home. Sort of like a picture I saw of a 'red neck air conditioner' on a car. Home window unit in the car window and generator powering it.

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  • From Ed Lee@21:1/5 to Ralph Mowery on Wed Mar 23 08:09:52 2022
    On Wednesday, March 23, 2022 at 7:22:41 AM UTC-7, Ralph Mowery wrote:
    In article <f6d139e4-a441-4637...@googlegroups.com>,
    edward....@gmail.com says...

    I was 12 miles from charging station. Around 4 kwhr would do. My empty battery can charge at 40kw DCFC. 10 to 15 min would be enough.


    So from this I get that if a tow truck had a 10 kw generator on it you
    could take about half an hour charge and go about 10 to 15 miles. That
    shoud be enough to get you to a charging station in many cases. You
    could even have a friend to put a home type portable generator in the
    back of a pickup truck and bring it to you for charging if you ran out
    out battery power not too far from home.

    Guess that you could have small trailer behind the car with a genertor
    on it to get you home. Sort of like a picture I saw of a 'red neck air conditioner' on a car. Home window unit in the car window and generator powering it.

    10kwhr battery should weight about 150 pounds in 3 to 4 cu. ft. Can fit inside the frame of a flat bed.

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  • From Ed Lee@21:1/5 to Rickster on Wed Mar 23 08:13:23 2022
    On Tuesday, March 22, 2022 at 8:20:12 PM UTC-7, Rickster wrote:
    On Tuesday, March 22, 2022 at 7:13:20 PM UTC-4, Ed Lee wrote:
    On Tuesday, March 22, 2022 at 2:49:01 PM UTC-7, Ralph Mowery wrote:
    In article <c1dca867-d42c-4fff...@googlegroups.com>, edward....@gmail.com says...

    I think there are two working chargers there, but the whole rest area is closed.

    Anyway, i signed up for "Good Sam" road service before the trip. I was expecting to use it up hill out of LA, 25 miles from 2000 feet to 5000 feet. Didn't expect to use it so soon.

    First cop came at 5am, woke me up and told me to leave. I said i am calling the tow truck.

    Second cop came at 7am. She gave me 4 hours before she is calling their tow truck.

    After several phone calls to "Good Sam", finally got a pickup with flat back trailer. But my front wheels are locked without power to steer or put gear in neutral. He had to pull it up with the wheel locked.

    Came to charging place. Plug it in and nothing happen. My 12V battery is also drained. No charging circuit or power relay. I had to wire up jumper spare battery to enable 12V than charge. The main was down to 10%. At 15%, i can at least shift to
    neutral, drop the car down.

    The tow driver was constantly on the phone to his office, complaining about the time it's taking. I gave home $20 tips.

    Is the public ready for EV? Are we there yet?


    Looks like the tow trucks are going to have to install large generators so they can charge you up in an hour or so to get you going again. Sort of like them bring you a 5 gallon can of gas for the gas cars when you run out. How long would it take for say a 10 kw generator like you can buy for your house to charge the car up to run for an hour or so if you do not run the heat or air ?
    No, 2 to 3 kw battery inverter would do. Just enough to bring it up to shift gear (15% SOC).

    They (dispatcher and tow-er) were ill prepared for EV, especially totally dead battery (10% SOC). Jack-up tow truck would be better than flat bed, for locked wheels. With flat bed, he should at least have wheel dollies. Also, he was pulling left or
    right wheels alternatively, because he did not have cross-strap connecting both wheels. Perhaps it's the owner's (me) responsibility to carry towing cross strap. A flat-bed need to wait for me to charge 5% to unlock drive chain, whereas jack-up can just
    drop me off there. Anyway, good learning experience for both of us. But how many other tow-er and driver need to learn this way?

    Laugh what you want. There are still hundred thousand of us around.

    If you continue to drive in a manner that any hiccup will sideline you, you will find very few towing companies know how to tow an EV. Why? Because they've never had to tow one.

    Yes, we only need a self driving mobile charger, no towing necessary.

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  • From Jan Panteltje@21:1/5 to edward.ming.lee@gmail.com on Wed Mar 23 15:21:18 2022
    On a sunny day (Wed, 23 Mar 2022 08:09:52 -0700 (PDT)) it happened Ed Lee <edward.ming.lee@gmail.com> wrote in <aa8b742a-0d36-498b-84fe-6d3f7d7d4cf9n@googlegroups.com>:

    On Wednesday, March 23, 2022 at 7:22:41 AM UTC-7, Ralph Mowery wrote:
    In article <f6d139e4-a441-4637...@googlegroups.com>,
    edward....@gmail.com says...

    I was 12 miles from charging station. Around 4 kwhr would do. My empty battery can charge at 40kw DCFC. 10 to 15 min would
    be enough.


    So from this I get that if a tow truck had a 10 kw generator on it you
    could take about half an hour charge and go about 10 to 15 miles. That
    shoud be enough to get you to a charging station in many cases. You
    could even have a friend to put a home type portable generator in the
    back of a pickup truck and bring it to you for charging if you ran out
    out battery power not too far from home.

    Guess that you could have small trailer behind the car with a genertor
    on it to get you home. Sort of like a picture I saw of a 'red neck air
    conditioner' on a car. Home window unit in the car window and generator
    powering it.

    10kwhr battery should weight about 150 pounds in 3 to 4 cu. ft. Can fit inside the frame of a flat bed.

    I have a portable 12V 250 Ah lifepo4 battery, makes 3000 Wh or 3 kWh
    http://panteltje.com/pub/250_Ah_12V_to_230V_sinewave_IXXIMG_0796.JPG
    Bit like having a Jerrycan
    3 in the back should be no problem.

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  • From Ed Lee@21:1/5 to Jan Panteltje on Wed Mar 23 09:28:52 2022
    On Wednesday, March 23, 2022 at 8:22:09 AM UTC-7, Jan Panteltje wrote:
    On a sunny day (Wed, 23 Mar 2022 08:09:52 -0700 (PDT)) it happened Ed Lee <edward....@gmail.com> wrote in
    <aa8b742a-0d36-498b...@googlegroups.com>:
    On Wednesday, March 23, 2022 at 7:22:41 AM UTC-7, Ralph Mowery wrote:
    In article <f6d139e4-a441-4637...@googlegroups.com>,
    edward....@gmail.com says...

    I was 12 miles from charging station. Around 4 kwhr would do. My empty battery can charge at 40kw DCFC. 10 to 15 min would
    be enough.


    So from this I get that if a tow truck had a 10 kw generator on it you
    could take about half an hour charge and go about 10 to 15 miles. That
    shoud be enough to get you to a charging station in many cases. You
    could even have a friend to put a home type portable generator in the
    back of a pickup truck and bring it to you for charging if you ran out
    out battery power not too far from home.

    Guess that you could have small trailer behind the car with a genertor
    on it to get you home. Sort of like a picture I saw of a 'red neck air
    conditioner' on a car. Home window unit in the car window and generator
    powering it.

    10kwhr battery should weight about 150 pounds in 3 to 4 cu. ft. Can fit inside the frame of a flat bed.
    I have a portable 12V 250 Ah lifepo4 battery, makes 3000 Wh or 3 kWh http://panteltje.com/pub/250_Ah_12V_to_230V_sinewave_IXXIMG_0796.JPG
    Bit like having a Jerrycan
    3 in the back should be no problem.

    I have 32x 12V 270 Whr . Waiting to hot wire into 400V. Just haven't got the chance to do it yet.
    32"x14"x16" 150 pounds for 10kwhr.

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  • From Clive Arthur@21:1/5 to Ed Lee on Wed Mar 23 16:59:09 2022
    On 22/03/2022 23:28, Ed Lee wrote:

    <snip>

    I was 12 miles from charging station. Around 4 kwhr would do. My empty battery can charge at 40kw DCFC. 10 to 15 min would be enough.

    Can't the tow truck tow you and your batteries charge regeneratively?

    --
    Cheers
    Clive

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  • From Ed Lee@21:1/5 to Clive Arthur on Wed Mar 23 10:38:19 2022
    On Wednesday, March 23, 2022 at 9:59:17 AM UTC-7, Clive Arthur wrote:
    On 22/03/2022 23:28, Ed Lee wrote:

    <snip>

    I was 12 miles from charging station. Around 4 kwhr would do. My empty battery can charge at 40kw DCFC. 10 to 15 min would be enough.
    Can't the tow truck tow you and your batteries charge regeneratively?

    Not with the wheel locked. Gear and steering disabled.

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  • From Rickster@21:1/5 to jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com on Wed Mar 23 12:06:53 2022
    On Wednesday, March 23, 2022 at 10:46:49 AM UTC-4, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
    On Wed, 23 Mar 2022 10:22:32 -0400, Ralph Mowery
    <rmow...@charter.net> wrote:

    In article <f6d139e4-a441-4637...@googlegroups.com>,
    edward....@gmail.com says...

    I was 12 miles from charging station. Around 4 kwhr would do. My empty battery can charge at 40kw DCFC. 10 to 15 min would be enough.



    So from this I get that if a tow truck had a 10 kw generator on it you >could take about half an hour charge and go about 10 to 15 miles. That >shoud be enough to get you to a charging station in many cases. You
    could even have a friend to put a home type portable generator in the
    back of a pickup truck and bring it to you for charging if you ran out
    out battery power not too far from home.

    Guess that you could have small trailer behind the car with a genertor
    on it to get you home. Sort of like a picture I saw of a 'red neck air >conditioner' on a car. Home window unit in the car window and generator >powering it.
    Each Tesla should come standard with a Honda generator in the trunk.

    That would not help Ed one bit. Is he really that stupid or is it just that he is so envious that he hates Musk, Tesla and everything remotely attached to it.

    By 2025 the sales of BEVs in the US will be over 10% of the total and growing at leaps and bounds. Larkin's life is going to get very, very miserable as we progress to 80% of cars on the roads being BEVs in ten years or so.

    --

    Rick C.

    --+-+ Get 1,000 miles of free Supercharging
    --+-+ Tesla referral code - https://ts.la/richard11209

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  • From Rickster@21:1/5 to Ed Lee on Wed Mar 23 12:09:59 2022
    On Wednesday, March 23, 2022 at 11:13:29 AM UTC-4, Ed Lee wrote:
    On Tuesday, March 22, 2022 at 8:20:12 PM UTC-7, Rickster wrote:
    On Tuesday, March 22, 2022 at 7:13:20 PM UTC-4, Ed Lee wrote:
    On Tuesday, March 22, 2022 at 2:49:01 PM UTC-7, Ralph Mowery wrote:
    In article <c1dca867-d42c-4fff...@googlegroups.com>, edward....@gmail.com says...

    I think there are two working chargers there, but the whole rest area is closed.

    Anyway, i signed up for "Good Sam" road service before the trip. I was expecting to use it up hill out of LA, 25 miles from 2000 feet to 5000 feet. Didn't expect to use it so soon.

    First cop came at 5am, woke me up and told me to leave. I said i am calling the tow truck.

    Second cop came at 7am. She gave me 4 hours before she is calling their tow truck.

    After several phone calls to "Good Sam", finally got a pickup with flat back trailer. But my front wheels are locked without power to steer or put gear in neutral. He had to pull it up with the wheel locked.

    Came to charging place. Plug it in and nothing happen. My 12V battery is also drained. No charging circuit or power relay. I had to wire up jumper spare battery to enable 12V than charge. The main was down to 10%. At 15%, i can at least shift
    to neutral, drop the car down.

    The tow driver was constantly on the phone to his office, complaining about the time it's taking. I gave home $20 tips.

    Is the public ready for EV? Are we there yet?


    Looks like the tow trucks are going to have to install large generators
    so they can charge you up in an hour or so to get you going again. Sort
    of like them bring you a 5 gallon can of gas for the gas cars when you run out. How long would it take for say a 10 kw generator like you can buy for your house to charge the car up to run for an hour or so if you
    do not run the heat or air ?
    No, 2 to 3 kw battery inverter would do. Just enough to bring it up to shift gear (15% SOC).

    They (dispatcher and tow-er) were ill prepared for EV, especially totally dead battery (10% SOC). Jack-up tow truck would be better than flat bed, for locked wheels. With flat bed, he should at least have wheel dollies. Also, he was pulling left or
    right wheels alternatively, because he did not have cross-strap connecting both wheels. Perhaps it's the owner's (me) responsibility to carry towing cross strap. A flat-bed need to wait for me to charge 5% to unlock drive chain, whereas jack-up can just
    drop me off there. Anyway, good learning experience for both of us. But how many other tow-er and driver need to learn this way?
    Laugh what you want. There are still hundred thousand of us around.
    If you continue to drive in a manner that any hiccup will sideline you, you will find very few towing companies know how to tow an EV. Why? Because they've never had to tow one.
    Yes, we only need a self driving mobile charger, no towing necessary.

    Why don't you start that business?

    --

    Rick C.

    --+++ Get 1,000 miles of free Supercharging
    --+++ Tesla referral code - https://ts.la/richard11209

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  • From Rickster@21:1/5 to Ed Lee on Wed Mar 23 12:08:06 2022
    On Wednesday, March 23, 2022 at 11:09:58 AM UTC-4, Ed Lee wrote:
    On Wednesday, March 23, 2022 at 7:22:41 AM UTC-7, Ralph Mowery wrote:
    In article <f6d139e4-a441-4637...@googlegroups.com>,
    edward....@gmail.com says...

    I was 12 miles from charging station. Around 4 kwhr would do. My empty battery can charge at 40kw DCFC. 10 to 15 min would be enough.


    So from this I get that if a tow truck had a 10 kw generator on it you could take about half an hour charge and go about 10 to 15 miles. That shoud be enough to get you to a charging station in many cases. You
    could even have a friend to put a home type portable generator in the
    back of a pickup truck and bring it to you for charging if you ran out
    out battery power not too far from home.

    Guess that you could have small trailer behind the car with a genertor
    on it to get you home. Sort of like a picture I saw of a 'red neck air conditioner' on a car. Home window unit in the car window and generator powering it.
    10kwhr battery should weight about 150 pounds in 3 to 4 cu. ft. Can fit inside the frame of a flat bed.

    It can also easily fit in passenger car. Most BEVs have enough range to go more than 50 miles.

    --

    Rick C.

    --++- Get 1,000 miles of free Supercharging
    --++- Tesla referral code - https://ts.la/richard11209

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  • From Clive Arthur@21:1/5 to Ed Lee on Wed Mar 23 22:47:21 2022
    On 23/03/2022 17:38, Ed Lee wrote:
    On Wednesday, March 23, 2022 at 9:59:17 AM UTC-7, Clive Arthur wrote:
    On 22/03/2022 23:28, Ed Lee wrote:

    <snip>

    I was 12 miles from charging station. Around 4 kwhr would do. My empty battery can charge at 40kw DCFC. 10 to 15 min would be enough.
    Can't the tow truck tow you and your batteries charge regeneratively?

    Not with the wheel locked. Gear and steering disabled.

    No override? Sounds like a design flaw, but there are probably reasons.

    --
    Cheers
    Clive

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  • From Jasen Betts@21:1/5 to Ralph Mowery on Thu Mar 24 05:51:20 2022
    On 2022-03-23, Ralph Mowery <rmowery42@charter.net> wrote:
    In article <f6d139e4-a441-4637-9726-e31c216a4a90n@googlegroups.com>, edward.ming.lee@gmail.com says...

    I was 12 miles from charging station. Around 4 kwhr would do. My empty battery can charge at 40kw DCFC. 10 to 15 min would be enough.



    So from this I get that if a tow truck had a 10 kw generator on it you
    could take about half an hour charge and go about 10 to 15 miles. That
    shoud be enough to get you to a charging station in many cases. You
    could even have a friend to put a home type portable generator in the
    back of a pickup truck and bring it to you for charging if you ran out
    out battery power not too far from home.

    Guess that you could have small trailer behind the car with a genertor
    on it to get you home. Sort of like a picture I saw of a 'red neck air conditioner' on a car. Home window unit in the car window and generator powering it.

    You only need to charge electrically enough to unlock the transmission
    after that you can be towed and charge by using the cars much more
    powerful in-built generator. A steel cable can transfer more kilowatts
    than a copper cable of the same size.

    --
    Jasen.

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  • From Tom Del Rosso@21:1/5 to bitrex on Thu Mar 24 01:36:07 2022
    bitrex wrote:
    On 3/20/2022 11:01 AM, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
    On Sun, 20 Mar 2022 00:38:55 -0400, "Tom Del Rosso"
    <fizzbintuesday@that-google-mail-domain.com> wrote:

    jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
    https://www.breitbart.com/europe/2022/03/18/great-reset-germany-wants-eu-ban-on-sale-of-petrol-and-diesel-cars-by-2035/


    I wonder where the electricity will come from. Large-scale
    generating and distribution systems take a long time to build. And
    need fuel.

    They didn't say they wanted to replace the cars with anything. They
    said only that they wanted to eliminate the cars.

    Biden phrased it the same way. They intend for you to use a bus or a
    bicycle, but they won't say what they really want.

    Good point. Owning a car grants freedoms to the masses, and our wise
    leadership doesn't want that.

    When I was in the Moscow, all the cars had to pull over whan a fat
    cat Party member zoomed by in the left lane in his limo. I think the
    left lane was actually reserved for them.

    We underlings are slowing down the elites. We should be on trains or
    bicycles.

    Have you seen what the e.g. sleeper trains in Japan look like? And
    unlike Amtrak they don't even cost an arm and a leg to ride on rattly
    rails and get a complimentary Dunkin Donuts coffee for $389 one-way.

    <https://youtu.be/KG53Pr3pFg4>

    I would ride this to visit my buddy in Chicago every time if this
    class of service were available in the US, what's so "freedom" about
    driving. The highways are clogged up with idiot morons you just put
    your life and tens of thousands worth of car on the line anytime you
    go significant distance, and us young Gen Xers don't have that many
    paid-off assets to spare...

    What's so "freedom" is that people are free to choose driving and they
    do. The reasons are different in different areas but it's just practical
    to have the flexibility.

    Japan would fit easily between you and Chicago. For those distances
    planes are more practical. Japan even had a custom "commuter" version of
    the 747 made only for them, with smaller tanks and modifications to last
    for many short trips.


    --
    Defund the Thought Police

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From Rickster@21:1/5 to Jasen Betts on Thu Mar 24 05:53:41 2022
    On Thursday, March 24, 2022 at 2:00:59 AM UTC-4, Jasen Betts wrote:
    On 2022-03-23, Ralph Mowery <rmow...@charter.net> wrote:
    In article <f6d139e4-a441-4637...@googlegroups.com>,
    edward....@gmail.com says...

    I was 12 miles from charging station. Around 4 kwhr would do. My empty battery can charge at 40kw DCFC. 10 to 15 min would be enough.



    So from this I get that if a tow truck had a 10 kw generator on it you could take about half an hour charge and go about 10 to 15 miles. That shoud be enough to get you to a charging station in many cases. You
    could even have a friend to put a home type portable generator in the
    back of a pickup truck and bring it to you for charging if you ran out
    out battery power not too far from home.

    Guess that you could have small trailer behind the car with a genertor
    on it to get you home. Sort of like a picture I saw of a 'red neck air conditioner' on a car. Home window unit in the car window and generator powering it.
    You only need to charge electrically enough to unlock the transmission
    after that you can be towed and charge by using the cars much more
    powerful in-built generator. A steel cable can transfer more kilowatts
    than a copper cable of the same size.

    You don't know what the car can handle. Towing a car is not a simple matter. They normally lift the driven wheels. If that would be the front wheels, I think leaving them on the roadway makes for an interesting tow.

    --

    Rick C.

    -+--- Get 1,000 miles of free Supercharging
    -+--- Tesla referral code - https://ts.la/richard11209

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  • From Ed Lee@21:1/5 to Rickster on Thu Mar 24 07:31:54 2022
    On Wednesday, March 23, 2022 at 12:10:04 PM UTC-7, Rickster wrote:
    On Wednesday, March 23, 2022 at 11:13:29 AM UTC-4, Ed Lee wrote:
    On Tuesday, March 22, 2022 at 8:20:12 PM UTC-7, Rickster wrote:
    On Tuesday, March 22, 2022 at 7:13:20 PM UTC-4, Ed Lee wrote:
    On Tuesday, March 22, 2022 at 2:49:01 PM UTC-7, Ralph Mowery wrote:
    In article <c1dca867-d42c-4fff...@googlegroups.com>, edward....@gmail.com says...

    I think there are two working chargers there, but the whole rest area is closed.

    Anyway, i signed up for "Good Sam" road service before the trip. I was expecting to use it up hill out of LA, 25 miles from 2000 feet to 5000 feet. Didn't expect to use it so soon.

    First cop came at 5am, woke me up and told me to leave. I said i am calling the tow truck.

    Second cop came at 7am. She gave me 4 hours before she is calling their tow truck.

    After several phone calls to "Good Sam", finally got a pickup with flat back trailer. But my front wheels are locked without power to steer or put gear in neutral. He had to pull it up with the wheel locked.

    Came to charging place. Plug it in and nothing happen. My 12V battery is also drained. No charging circuit or power relay. I had to wire up jumper spare battery to enable 12V than charge. The main was down to 10%. At 15%, i can at least shift
    to neutral, drop the car down.

    The tow driver was constantly on the phone to his office, complaining about the time it's taking. I gave home $20 tips.

    Is the public ready for EV? Are we there yet?


    Looks like the tow trucks are going to have to install large generators
    so they can charge you up in an hour or so to get you going again. Sort
    of like them bring you a 5 gallon can of gas for the gas cars when you
    run out. How long would it take for say a 10 kw generator like you can
    buy for your house to charge the car up to run for an hour or so if you
    do not run the heat or air ?
    No, 2 to 3 kw battery inverter would do. Just enough to bring it up to shift gear (15% SOC).

    They (dispatcher and tow-er) were ill prepared for EV, especially totally dead battery (10% SOC). Jack-up tow truck would be better than flat bed, for locked wheels. With flat bed, he should at least have wheel dollies. Also, he was pulling left
    or right wheels alternatively, because he did not have cross-strap connecting both wheels. Perhaps it's the owner's (me) responsibility to carry towing cross strap. A flat-bed need to wait for me to charge 5% to unlock drive chain, whereas jack-up can
    just drop me off there. Anyway, good learning experience for both of us. But how many other tow-er and driver need to learn this way?
    Laugh what you want. There are still hundred thousand of us around.
    If you continue to drive in a manner that any hiccup will sideline you, you will find very few towing companies know how to tow an EV. Why? Because they've never had to tow one.
    Yes, we only need a self driving mobile charger, no towing necessary.
    Why don't you start that business?

    In due course. First, they (google or cruise) need to be approved for FSD. Then we can order a custom version with battery and charger inside. It's going to be a Leaf club, just for older EV and Tesla charging at Nissan dealers. I have seen a few,
    don't know why they need to do that.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From Ed Lee@21:1/5 to Rickster on Thu Mar 24 07:40:38 2022
    On Thursday, March 24, 2022 at 5:53:45 AM UTC-7, Rickster wrote:
    On Thursday, March 24, 2022 at 2:00:59 AM UTC-4, Jasen Betts wrote:
    On 2022-03-23, Ralph Mowery <rmow...@charter.net> wrote:
    In article <f6d139e4-a441-4637...@googlegroups.com>,
    edward....@gmail.com says...

    I was 12 miles from charging station. Around 4 kwhr would do. My empty battery can charge at 40kw DCFC. 10 to 15 min would be enough.



    So from this I get that if a tow truck had a 10 kw generator on it you could take about half an hour charge and go about 10 to 15 miles. That shoud be enough to get you to a charging station in many cases. You
    could even have a friend to put a home type portable generator in the back of a pickup truck and bring it to you for charging if you ran out out battery power not too far from home.

    Guess that you could have small trailer behind the car with a genertor
    on it to get you home. Sort of like a picture I saw of a 'red neck air conditioner' on a car. Home window unit in the car window and generator powering it.
    You only need to charge electrically enough to unlock the transmission

    release motor parking lock, since there is no transmission. need to charge from 10% SOC (complete failure) to 15% SOC (can shift into neutral). 20% SOC is drivable.

    after that you can be towed and charge by using the cars much more
    powerful in-built generator. A steel cable can transfer more kilowatts
    than a copper cable of the same size.
    You don't know what the car can handle. Towing a car is not a simple matter. They normally lift the driven wheels. If that would be the front wheels, I think leaving them on the roadway makes for an interesting tow.

    and not sure if it will regenerate properly if towing backward by jacking up the back wheels.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com@21:1/5 to bitrex on Thu Mar 24 08:45:28 2022
    On Tue, 22 Mar 2022 15:22:34 -0400, bitrex <user@example.net> wrote:

    On 3/20/2022 11:01 AM, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
    On Sun, 20 Mar 2022 00:38:55 -0400, "Tom Del Rosso"
    <fizzbintuesday@that-google-mail-domain.com> wrote:

    jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
    https://www.breitbart.com/europe/2022/03/18/great-reset-germany-wants-eu-ban-on-sale-of-petrol-and-diesel-cars-by-2035/


    I wonder where the electricity will come from. Large-scale generating
    and distribution systems take a long time to build. And need fuel.

    They didn't say they wanted to replace the cars with anything. They said >>> only that they wanted to eliminate the cars.

    Biden phrased it the same way. They intend for you to use a bus or a
    bicycle, but they won't say what they really want.

    Good point. Owning a car grants freedoms to the masses, and our wise
    leadership doesn't want that.

    When I was in the Moscow, all the cars had to pull over whan a fat cat
    Party member zoomed by in the left lane in his limo. I think the left
    lane was actually reserved for them.

    We underlings are slowing down the elites. We should be on trains or
    bicycles.

    Have you seen what the e.g. sleeper trains in Japan look like? And
    unlike Amtrak they don't even cost an arm and a leg to ride on rattly
    rails and get a complimentary Dunkin Donuts coffee for $389 one-way.

    <https://youtu.be/KG53Pr3pFg4>

    I would ride this to visit my buddy in Chicago every time if this class
    of service were available in the US, what's so "freedom" about driving.

    Running out for another six-pack after you get there.

    It's funny to see rich greenies fly to climate conferences in their
    private jets, where their gigabuck yachts are waiting. They tend to
    build multiple mansions in the mountains and right on the beach in
    Malibu and Martha's Vineyard and Hawaii.

    And tell us to walk and wait for busses and eat lentils. And to grow
    natural non-GMO food without fertilizer.



    --

    I yam what I yam - Popeye

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Ed Lee@21:1/5 to Ed Lee on Thu Mar 24 08:52:37 2022
    On Thursday, March 24, 2022 at 7:32:00 AM UTC-7, Ed Lee wrote:
    On Wednesday, March 23, 2022 at 12:10:04 PM UTC-7, Rickster wrote:
    On Wednesday, March 23, 2022 at 11:13:29 AM UTC-4, Ed Lee wrote:
    On Tuesday, March 22, 2022 at 8:20:12 PM UTC-7, Rickster wrote:
    On Tuesday, March 22, 2022 at 7:13:20 PM UTC-4, Ed Lee wrote:
    On Tuesday, March 22, 2022 at 2:49:01 PM UTC-7, Ralph Mowery wrote:
    In article <c1dca867-d42c-4fff...@googlegroups.com>, edward....@gmail.com says...

    I think there are two working chargers there, but the whole rest area is closed.

    Anyway, i signed up for "Good Sam" road service before the trip. I was expecting to use it up hill out of LA, 25 miles from 2000 feet to 5000 feet. Didn't expect to use it so soon.

    First cop came at 5am, woke me up and told me to leave. I said i am calling the tow truck.

    Second cop came at 7am. She gave me 4 hours before she is calling their tow truck.

    After several phone calls to "Good Sam", finally got a pickup with flat back trailer. But my front wheels are locked without power to steer or put gear in neutral. He had to pull it up with the wheel locked.

    Came to charging place. Plug it in and nothing happen. My 12V battery is also drained. No charging circuit or power relay. I had to wire up jumper spare battery to enable 12V than charge. The main was down to 10%. At 15%, i can at least
    shift to neutral, drop the car down.

    The tow driver was constantly on the phone to his office, complaining about the time it's taking. I gave home $20 tips.

    Is the public ready for EV? Are we there yet?


    Looks like the tow trucks are going to have to install large generators
    so they can charge you up in an hour or so to get you going again. Sort
    of like them bring you a 5 gallon can of gas for the gas cars when you
    run out. How long would it take for say a 10 kw generator like you can
    buy for your house to charge the car up to run for an hour or so if you
    do not run the heat or air ?
    No, 2 to 3 kw battery inverter would do. Just enough to bring it up to shift gear (15% SOC).

    They (dispatcher and tow-er) were ill prepared for EV, especially totally dead battery (10% SOC). Jack-up tow truck would be better than flat bed, for locked wheels. With flat bed, he should at least have wheel dollies. Also, he was pulling
    left or right wheels alternatively, because he did not have cross-strap connecting both wheels. Perhaps it's the owner's (me) responsibility to carry towing cross strap. A flat-bed need to wait for me to charge 5% to unlock drive chain, whereas jack-up
    can just drop me off there. Anyway, good learning experience for both of us. But how many other tow-er and driver need to learn this way?
    Laugh what you want. There are still hundred thousand of us around.
    If you continue to drive in a manner that any hiccup will sideline you, you will find very few towing companies know how to tow an EV. Why? Because they've never had to tow one.
    Yes, we only need a self driving mobile charger, no towing necessary.
    Why don't you start that business?

    In due course. First, they (google or cruise) need to be approved for FSD. Then we can order a custom version with battery and charger inside. It's going to be a Leaf club, just for older EV and Tesla charging at Nissan dealers. I have seen a few, don'
    t know why they need to do that.

    I am going to call this self driving flat bed (not truck or trailer) the "Leaf Rack".

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From bitrex@21:1/5 to jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com on Thu Mar 24 12:56:46 2022
    On 3/24/2022 11:45 AM, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
    On Tue, 22 Mar 2022 15:22:34 -0400, bitrex <user@example.net> wrote:

    On 3/20/2022 11:01 AM, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
    On Sun, 20 Mar 2022 00:38:55 -0400, "Tom Del Rosso"
    <fizzbintuesday@that-google-mail-domain.com> wrote:

    jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
    https://www.breitbart.com/europe/2022/03/18/great-reset-germany-wants-eu-ban-on-sale-of-petrol-and-diesel-cars-by-2035/


    I wonder where the electricity will come from. Large-scale generating >>>>> and distribution systems take a long time to build. And need fuel.

    They didn't say they wanted to replace the cars with anything. They said >>>> only that they wanted to eliminate the cars.

    Biden phrased it the same way. They intend for you to use a bus or a
    bicycle, but they won't say what they really want.

    Good point. Owning a car grants freedoms to the masses, and our wise
    leadership doesn't want that.

    When I was in the Moscow, all the cars had to pull over whan a fat cat
    Party member zoomed by in the left lane in his limo. I think the left
    lane was actually reserved for them.

    We underlings are slowing down the elites. We should be on trains or
    bicycles.

    Have you seen what the e.g. sleeper trains in Japan look like? And
    unlike Amtrak they don't even cost an arm and a leg to ride on rattly
    rails and get a complimentary Dunkin Donuts coffee for $389 one-way.

    <https://youtu.be/KG53Pr3pFg4>

    I would ride this to visit my buddy in Chicago every time if this class
    of service were available in the US, what's so "freedom" about driving.

    Running out for another six-pack after you get there.

    It's funny to see rich greenies fly to climate conferences in their
    private jets, where their gigabuck yachts are waiting. They tend to
    build multiple mansions in the mountains and right on the beach in
    Malibu and Martha's Vineyard and Hawaii.

    Describes a tiny fraction of "greenies." Like 1% of them, perhaps...

    And tell us to walk and wait for busses and eat lentils. And to grow
    natural non-GMO food without fertilizer.


    Man when was the last time you ever waited for a bus or had to eat
    lentils cuz you didn't have a choice in the matter, 1972? No one's ever
    going to force you to do any of that, you're fine.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Carl@21:1/5 to Ed Lee on Thu Mar 24 13:12:29 2022
    On 3/24/22 11:52, Ed Lee wrote:
    On Thursday, March 24, 2022 at 7:32:00 AM UTC-7, Ed Lee wrote:
    On Wednesday, March 23, 2022 at 12:10:04 PM UTC-7, Rickster wrote:
    On Wednesday, March 23, 2022 at 11:13:29 AM UTC-4, Ed Lee wrote:
    On Tuesday, March 22, 2022 at 8:20:12 PM UTC-7, Rickster wrote:
    On Tuesday, March 22, 2022 at 7:13:20 PM UTC-4, Ed Lee wrote:
    On Tuesday, March 22, 2022 at 2:49:01 PM UTC-7, Ralph Mowery wrote: >>>>>>> In article <c1dca867-d42c-4fff...@googlegroups.com>,
    edward....@gmail.com says...

    I think there are two working chargers there, but the whole rest area is closed.

    Anyway, i signed up for "Good Sam" road service before the trip. I was expecting to use it up hill out of LA, 25 miles from 2000 feet to 5000 feet. Didn't expect to use it so soon.

    First cop came at 5am, woke me up and told me to leave. I said i am calling the tow truck.

    Second cop came at 7am. She gave me 4 hours before she is calling their tow truck.

    After several phone calls to "Good Sam", finally got a pickup with flat back trailer. But my front wheels are locked without power to steer or put gear in neutral. He had to pull it up with the wheel locked.

    Came to charging place. Plug it in and nothing happen. My 12V battery is also drained. No charging circuit or power relay. I had to wire up jumper spare battery to enable 12V than charge. The main was down to 10%. At 15%, i can at least shift to
    neutral, drop the car down.

    The tow driver was constantly on the phone to his office, complaining about the time it's taking. I gave home $20 tips.

    Is the public ready for EV? Are we there yet?


    Looks like the tow trucks are going to have to install large generators >>>>>>> so they can charge you up in an hour or so to get you going again. Sort >>>>>>> of like them bring you a 5 gallon can of gas for the gas cars when you >>>>>>> run out. How long would it take for say a 10 kw generator like you can >>>>>>> buy for your house to charge the car up to run for an hour or so if you >>>>>>> do not run the heat or air ?
    No, 2 to 3 kw battery inverter would do. Just enough to bring it up to shift gear (15% SOC).

    They (dispatcher and tow-er) were ill prepared for EV, especially totally dead battery (10% SOC). Jack-up tow truck would be better than flat bed, for locked wheels. With flat bed, he should at least have wheel dollies. Also, he was pulling left
    or right wheels alternatively, because he did not have cross-strap connecting both wheels. Perhaps it's the owner's (me) responsibility to carry towing cross strap. A flat-bed need to wait for me to charge 5% to unlock drive chain, whereas jack-up can
    just drop me off there. Anyway, good learning experience for both of us. But how many other tow-er and driver need to learn this way?
    Laugh what you want. There are still hundred thousand of us around.
    If you continue to drive in a manner that any hiccup will sideline you, you will find very few towing companies know how to tow an EV. Why? Because they've never had to tow one.
    Yes, we only need a self driving mobile charger, no towing necessary.
    Why don't you start that business?

    In due course. First, they (google or cruise) need to be approved for FSD. Then we can order a custom version with battery and charger inside. It's going to be a Leaf club, just for older EV and Tesla charging at Nissan dealers. I have seen a few, don'
    t know why they need to do that.

    I am going to call this self driving flat bed (not truck or trailer) the "Leaf Rack".

    Saw this link on another board, thought some humor would be welcome
    here: https://twitter.com/hkuppy/status/1402825213956472836

    --
    Regards,
    Carl

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From bitrex@21:1/5 to jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com on Thu Mar 24 13:29:24 2022
    On 3/24/2022 1:17 PM, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
    On Thu, 24 Mar 2022 12:56:46 -0400, bitrex <user@example.net> wrote:

    On 3/24/2022 11:45 AM, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
    On Tue, 22 Mar 2022 15:22:34 -0400, bitrex <user@example.net> wrote:

    On 3/20/2022 11:01 AM, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
    On Sun, 20 Mar 2022 00:38:55 -0400, "Tom Del Rosso"
    <fizzbintuesday@that-google-mail-domain.com> wrote:

    jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
    https://www.breitbart.com/europe/2022/03/18/great-reset-germany-wants-eu-ban-on-sale-of-petrol-and-diesel-cars-by-2035/


    I wonder where the electricity will come from. Large-scale generating >>>>>>> and distribution systems take a long time to build. And need fuel. >>>>>>
    They didn't say they wanted to replace the cars with anything. They said >>>>>> only that they wanted to eliminate the cars.

    Biden phrased it the same way. They intend for you to use a bus or a >>>>>> bicycle, but they won't say what they really want.

    Good point. Owning a car grants freedoms to the masses, and our wise >>>>> leadership doesn't want that.

    When I was in the Moscow, all the cars had to pull over whan a fat cat >>>>> Party member zoomed by in the left lane in his limo. I think the left >>>>> lane was actually reserved for them.

    We underlings are slowing down the elites. We should be on trains or >>>>> bicycles.

    Have you seen what the e.g. sleeper trains in Japan look like? And
    unlike Amtrak they don't even cost an arm and a leg to ride on rattly
    rails and get a complimentary Dunkin Donuts coffee for $389 one-way.

    <https://youtu.be/KG53Pr3pFg4>

    I would ride this to visit my buddy in Chicago every time if this class >>>> of service were available in the US, what's so "freedom" about driving. >>>
    Running out for another six-pack after you get there.

    It's funny to see rich greenies fly to climate conferences in their
    private jets, where their gigabuck yachts are waiting. They tend to
    build multiple mansions in the mountains and right on the beach in
    Malibu and Martha's Vineyard and Hawaii.

    Describes a tiny fraction of "greenies." Like 1% of them, perhaps...

    And tell us to walk and wait for busses and eat lentils. And to grow
    natural non-GMO food without fertilizer.


    Man when was the last time you ever waited for a bus or had to eat
    lentils cuz you didn't have a choice in the matter, 1972? No one's ever
    going to force you to do any of that, you're fine.


    "Man"? I guess Uncle Joe has brought that expression back from ancient
    times.

    If "Uncle Joe" were really Uncle Joe I figure America would look much
    different by this point & it doesn't look much different to me.

    Gas prices are going to push a lot of people onto trains and busses
    and long walks to finish up trips. That's partly by design.

    I have learned that when a market figures it can bilk some extra bucks
    and figures that people can afford to pay it and will pay it that's what
    it tends to do. Only a real Uncle Joe could set the price of gasoline by
    fiat and I don't think this one is that.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com@21:1/5 to bitrex on Thu Mar 24 10:17:59 2022
    On Thu, 24 Mar 2022 12:56:46 -0400, bitrex <user@example.net> wrote:

    On 3/24/2022 11:45 AM, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
    On Tue, 22 Mar 2022 15:22:34 -0400, bitrex <user@example.net> wrote:

    On 3/20/2022 11:01 AM, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
    On Sun, 20 Mar 2022 00:38:55 -0400, "Tom Del Rosso"
    <fizzbintuesday@that-google-mail-domain.com> wrote:

    jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
    https://www.breitbart.com/europe/2022/03/18/great-reset-germany-wants-eu-ban-on-sale-of-petrol-and-diesel-cars-by-2035/


    I wonder where the electricity will come from. Large-scale generating >>>>>> and distribution systems take a long time to build. And need fuel.

    They didn't say they wanted to replace the cars with anything. They said >>>>> only that they wanted to eliminate the cars.

    Biden phrased it the same way. They intend for you to use a bus or a >>>>> bicycle, but they won't say what they really want.

    Good point. Owning a car grants freedoms to the masses, and our wise
    leadership doesn't want that.

    When I was in the Moscow, all the cars had to pull over whan a fat cat >>>> Party member zoomed by in the left lane in his limo. I think the left
    lane was actually reserved for them.

    We underlings are slowing down the elites. We should be on trains or
    bicycles.

    Have you seen what the e.g. sleeper trains in Japan look like? And
    unlike Amtrak they don't even cost an arm and a leg to ride on rattly
    rails and get a complimentary Dunkin Donuts coffee for $389 one-way.

    <https://youtu.be/KG53Pr3pFg4>

    I would ride this to visit my buddy in Chicago every time if this class
    of service were available in the US, what's so "freedom" about driving.

    Running out for another six-pack after you get there.

    It's funny to see rich greenies fly to climate conferences in their
    private jets, where their gigabuck yachts are waiting. They tend to
    build multiple mansions in the mountains and right on the beach in
    Malibu and Martha's Vineyard and Hawaii.

    Describes a tiny fraction of "greenies." Like 1% of them, perhaps...

    And tell us to walk and wait for busses and eat lentils. And to grow
    natural non-GMO food without fertilizer.


    Man when was the last time you ever waited for a bus or had to eat
    lentils cuz you didn't have a choice in the matter, 1972? No one's ever
    going to force you to do any of that, you're fine.


    "Man"? I guess Uncle Joe has brought that expression back from ancient
    times.

    Gas prices are going to push a lot of people onto trains and busses
    and long walks to finish up trips. That's partly by design.



    --

    I yam what I yam - Popeye

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  • From John Larkin@21:1/5 to bitrex on Thu Mar 24 10:54:34 2022
    On Thu, 24 Mar 2022 13:29:24 -0400, bitrex <user@example.net> wrote:

    On 3/24/2022 1:17 PM, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
    On Thu, 24 Mar 2022 12:56:46 -0400, bitrex <user@example.net> wrote:

    On 3/24/2022 11:45 AM, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
    On Tue, 22 Mar 2022 15:22:34 -0400, bitrex <user@example.net> wrote:

    On 3/20/2022 11:01 AM, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
    On Sun, 20 Mar 2022 00:38:55 -0400, "Tom Del Rosso"
    <fizzbintuesday@that-google-mail-domain.com> wrote:

    jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
    https://www.breitbart.com/europe/2022/03/18/great-reset-germany-wants-eu-ban-on-sale-of-petrol-and-diesel-cars-by-2035/


    I wonder where the electricity will come from. Large-scale generating >>>>>>>> and distribution systems take a long time to build. And need fuel. >>>>>>>
    They didn't say they wanted to replace the cars with anything. They said
    only that they wanted to eliminate the cars.

    Biden phrased it the same way. They intend for you to use a bus or a >>>>>>> bicycle, but they won't say what they really want.

    Good point. Owning a car grants freedoms to the masses, and our wise >>>>>> leadership doesn't want that.

    When I was in the Moscow, all the cars had to pull over whan a fat cat >>>>>> Party member zoomed by in the left lane in his limo. I think the left >>>>>> lane was actually reserved for them.

    We underlings are slowing down the elites. We should be on trains or >>>>>> bicycles.

    Have you seen what the e.g. sleeper trains in Japan look like? And
    unlike Amtrak they don't even cost an arm and a leg to ride on rattly >>>>> rails and get a complimentary Dunkin Donuts coffee for $389 one-way. >>>>>
    <https://youtu.be/KG53Pr3pFg4>

    I would ride this to visit my buddy in Chicago every time if this class >>>>> of service were available in the US, what's so "freedom" about driving. >>>>
    Running out for another six-pack after you get there.

    It's funny to see rich greenies fly to climate conferences in their
    private jets, where their gigabuck yachts are waiting. They tend to
    build multiple mansions in the mountains and right on the beach in
    Malibu and Martha's Vineyard and Hawaii.

    Describes a tiny fraction of "greenies." Like 1% of them, perhaps...

    And tell us to walk and wait for busses and eat lentils. And to grow
    natural non-GMO food without fertilizer.


    Man when was the last time you ever waited for a bus or had to eat
    lentils cuz you didn't have a choice in the matter, 1972? No one's ever
    going to force you to do any of that, you're fine.


    "Man"? I guess Uncle Joe has brought that expression back from ancient
    times.

    If "Uncle Joe" were really Uncle Joe I figure America would look much >different by this point & it doesn't look much different to me.

    Gas prices are going to push a lot of people onto trains and busses
    and long walks to finish up trips. That's partly by design.

    I have learned that when a market figures it can bilk some extra bucks
    and figures that people can afford to pay it and will pay it that's what
    it tends to do.

    We talked about that in Economics 101. Economic forces determine
    supply and demand and prices. Everybody naturally charges what they
    can get. One of the few rational things that government does here is
    antitrust law.

    Only a real Uncle Joe could set the price of gasoline by
    fiat and I don't think this one is that.

    No, but his team is doing a lot to discourage gasoline and NG
    production. California too, with gas near $7 a gallon.

    The price of gas doesn't bother me (short commute, engineer's income)
    but I feel sorry for low-wage workers with long commutes, or people
    who need a pickup truck to make their living.

    We love the Saturday farmers' market, but the sellers have to get up
    before dawn and drive 100 miles each way to sell us carrots.

    --

    If a man will begin with certainties, he shall end with doubts,
    but if he will be content to begin with doubts he shall end in certainties. Francis Bacon

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  • From Ed Lee@21:1/5 to John Larkin on Thu Mar 24 11:06:39 2022
    On Thursday, March 24, 2022 at 10:54:47 AM UTC-7, John Larkin wrote:
    On Thu, 24 Mar 2022 13:29:24 -0400, bitrex <us...@example.net> wrote:

    On 3/24/2022 1:17 PM, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
    On Thu, 24 Mar 2022 12:56:46 -0400, bitrex <us...@example.net> wrote:

    On 3/24/2022 11:45 AM, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
    On Tue, 22 Mar 2022 15:22:34 -0400, bitrex <us...@example.net> wrote: >>>>
    On 3/20/2022 11:01 AM, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
    On Sun, 20 Mar 2022 00:38:55 -0400, "Tom Del Rosso"
    <fizzbin...@that-google-mail-domain.com> wrote:

    jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
    https://www.breitbart.com/europe/2022/03/18/great-reset-germany-wants-eu-ban-on-sale-of-petrol-and-diesel-cars-by-2035/


    I wonder where the electricity will come from. Large-scale generating
    and distribution systems take a long time to build. And need fuel. >>>>>>>
    They didn't say they wanted to replace the cars with anything. They said
    only that they wanted to eliminate the cars.

    Biden phrased it the same way. They intend for you to use a bus or a >>>>>>> bicycle, but they won't say what they really want.

    Good point. Owning a car grants freedoms to the masses, and our wise >>>>>> leadership doesn't want that.

    When I was in the Moscow, all the cars had to pull over whan a fat cat >>>>>> Party member zoomed by in the left lane in his limo. I think the left >>>>>> lane was actually reserved for them.

    We underlings are slowing down the elites. We should be on trains or >>>>>> bicycles.

    Have you seen what the e.g. sleeper trains in Japan look like? And >>>>> unlike Amtrak they don't even cost an arm and a leg to ride on rattly >>>>> rails and get a complimentary Dunkin Donuts coffee for $389 one-way. >>>>>
    <https://youtu.be/KG53Pr3pFg4>

    I would ride this to visit my buddy in Chicago every time if this class >>>>> of service were available in the US, what's so "freedom" about driving. >>>>
    Running out for another six-pack after you get there.

    It's funny to see rich greenies fly to climate conferences in their
    private jets, where their gigabuck yachts are waiting. They tend to
    build multiple mansions in the mountains and right on the beach in
    Malibu and Martha's Vineyard and Hawaii.

    Describes a tiny fraction of "greenies." Like 1% of them, perhaps...

    And tell us to walk and wait for busses and eat lentils. And to grow >>>> natural non-GMO food without fertilizer.


    Man when was the last time you ever waited for a bus or had to eat
    lentils cuz you didn't have a choice in the matter, 1972? No one's ever >>> going to force you to do any of that, you're fine.


    "Man"? I guess Uncle Joe has brought that expression back from ancient
    times.

    If "Uncle Joe" were really Uncle Joe I figure America would look much >different by this point & it doesn't look much different to me.

    Gas prices are going to push a lot of people onto trains and busses
    and long walks to finish up trips. That's partly by design.

    I have learned that when a market figures it can bilk some extra bucks
    and figures that people can afford to pay it and will pay it that's what
    it tends to do.
    We talked about that in Economics 101. Economic forces determine
    supply and demand and prices. Everybody naturally charges what they
    can get. One of the few rational things that government does here is antitrust law.
    Only a real Uncle Joe could set the price of gasoline by
    fiat and I don't think this one is that.
    No, but his team is doing a lot to discourage gasoline and NG
    production. California too, with gas near $7 a gallon.

    The price of gas doesn't bother me (short commute, engineer's income)
    but I feel sorry for low-wage workers with long commutes, or people
    who need a pickup truck to make their living.

    We love the Saturday farmers' market, but the sellers have to get up
    before dawn and drive 100 miles each way to sell us carrots.

    It's a scheme to push people into EV, especially low end EV. I have many people asking about my Leaf, mainly for a second short commune car.

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  • From bitrex@21:1/5 to Tom Del Rosso on Thu Mar 24 13:15:45 2022
    On 3/24/2022 1:36 AM, Tom Del Rosso wrote:
    bitrex wrote:
    On 3/20/2022 11:01 AM, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
    On Sun, 20 Mar 2022 00:38:55 -0400, "Tom Del Rosso"
    <fizzbintuesday@that-google-mail-domain.com> wrote:

    jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
    https://www.breitbart.com/europe/2022/03/18/great-reset-germany-wants-eu-ban-on-sale-of-petrol-and-diesel-cars-by-2035/


    I wonder where the electricity will come from. Large-scale
    generating and distribution systems take a long time to build. And
    need fuel.

    They didn't say they wanted to replace the cars with anything. They
    said only that they wanted to eliminate the cars.

    Biden phrased it the same way. They intend for you to use a bus or a
    bicycle, but they won't say what they really want.

    Good point. Owning a car grants freedoms to the masses, and our wise
    leadership doesn't want that.

    When I was in the Moscow, all the cars had to pull over whan a fat
    cat Party member zoomed by in the left lane in his limo. I think the
    left lane was actually reserved for them.

    We underlings are slowing down the elites. We should be on trains or
    bicycles.

    Have you seen what the e.g. sleeper trains in Japan look like? And
    unlike Amtrak they don't even cost an arm and a leg to ride on rattly
    rails and get a complimentary Dunkin Donuts coffee for $389 one-way.

    <https://youtu.be/KG53Pr3pFg4>

    I would ride this to visit my buddy in Chicago every time if this
    class of service were available in the US, what's so "freedom" about
    driving. The highways are clogged up with idiot morons you just put
    your life and tens of thousands worth of car on the line anytime you
    go significant distance, and us young Gen Xers don't have that many
    paid-off assets to spare...

    What's so "freedom" is that people are free to choose driving and they
    do. The reasons are different in different areas but it's just practical
    to have the flexibility.

    I think older people had more of an experience relating the automobile
    to concepts of "freedom" than younger people do at this point. There was
    indeed more freedom at that time things weren't as built up, more space
    to go and have your own adventures.

    By the time I got my hands on a car those place were fast evaporating everything was a strip mall, homes & condos and most places looked very
    much like every other place, why drive 50 miles to go to some other mega
    mall that looks exactly like the one 5 miles away.

    And you could take your girl out on a ride to the country for a romantic interlude and there wasn't 50,000 police officers in black SUVs up your
    ass everywhere you go looking for "loiterers" and shining a flashlight
    in your face anytime you stop somewhere for 5 minutes that's not for the purposes of buying something. "What are you kids up to? Everyone ok?" etc.

    Japan would fit easily between you and Chicago. For those distances
    planes are more practical. Japan even had a custom "commuter" version of
    the 747 made only for them, with smaller tanks and modifications to last
    for many short trips.

    Fuel was what, 50 cent a gallon at that point which likely helped. Still probably burned 20% of their gross just taking off on a hop like that.

    It's remarkable anyone ever thought passenger air travel would be easy
    money & the list of defunct commercial airlines was long even when fuel
    was cheap.

    If the business hadn't been invented yet and you described the hustle to
    an investor "Well we're going to launch a few hundred people through the
    air at 35,000 feet in an aluminum tube and this scheme is really going
    to bring in the bucks" I think the investor might invest in a hot dog
    factory instead seems like a safer bet.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From Ed Lee@21:1/5 to Rickster on Thu Mar 24 12:26:53 2022
    On Monday, March 21, 2022 at 1:13:53 PM UTC-7, Rickster wrote:
    On Monday, March 21, 2022 at 1:34:37 PM UTC-4, Ed Lee wrote:
    On Monday, March 21, 2022 at 7:20:41 AM UTC-7, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
    On Mon, 21 Mar 2022 05:35:05 -0700 (PDT), Ed Lee
    <edward....@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Friday, March 18, 2022 at 9:03:43 AM UTC-7, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
    https://www.breitbart.com/europe/2022/03/18/great-reset-germany-wants-eu-ban-on-sale-of-petrol-and-diesel-cars-by-2035/

    US and Cal also.

    So, who are we going to call for help?

    I am stuck overnight between chargers. The rest stop with charger is closed. Of course, there is no way to find that out except when approaching the area. Otherwise, i would have charged-up somewhere else.
    Is that situation hypothetical or real?
    Real. Plugshare show the charger available, but no way to get to it without running the blockage.
    Plugshare is updated by users who wish to contribute, like reviews on Google maps.

    The Tesla data is a lot more accurate, as their chargers are connected to their system in real time.

    I think that's true for CalTran network also. Plugshare is pulling data from the machines. So, it's correctly showing that the chargers are up and running. But ... And why didn't they shut down the machines in unaccessable rest area?

    Kingsburg Rest stop (0/2)
    South bound complete blockage, no access
    Fresno Maintainence Stations (0/4)
    All four stations power cables are gone
    Frazer Rest Stop (1/4)
    Two stations had communication problem.
    One station lock in payment option
    One station working
    CA58/184 (0/2)
    One station had communication problem
    One station with missing ChaDeMo power cable
    Many sites with only one working charger.

    I am going to write to CalTran again . They were great at bring them up, but not keeping them up, only after a year or so.
    They are not technical engineers.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From Rickster@21:1/5 to jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com on Thu Mar 24 17:28:25 2022
    On Thursday, March 24, 2022 at 11:45:39 AM UTC-4, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
    On Tue, 22 Mar 2022 15:22:34 -0400, bitrex <us...@example.net> wrote:

    On 3/20/2022 11:01 AM, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
    On Sun, 20 Mar 2022 00:38:55 -0400, "Tom Del Rosso"
    <fizzbin...@that-google-mail-domain.com> wrote:

    jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
    https://www.breitbart.com/europe/2022/03/18/great-reset-germany-wants-eu-ban-on-sale-of-petrol-and-diesel-cars-by-2035/


    I wonder where the electricity will come from. Large-scale generating >>>> and distribution systems take a long time to build. And need fuel.

    They didn't say they wanted to replace the cars with anything. They said >>> only that they wanted to eliminate the cars.

    Biden phrased it the same way. They intend for you to use a bus or a
    bicycle, but they won't say what they really want.

    Good point. Owning a car grants freedoms to the masses, and our wise
    leadership doesn't want that.

    When I was in the Moscow, all the cars had to pull over whan a fat cat
    Party member zoomed by in the left lane in his limo. I think the left
    lane was actually reserved for them.

    We underlings are slowing down the elites. We should be on trains or
    bicycles.

    Have you seen what the e.g. sleeper trains in Japan look like? And
    unlike Amtrak they don't even cost an arm and a leg to ride on rattly >rails and get a complimentary Dunkin Donuts coffee for $389 one-way.

    <https://youtu.be/KG53Pr3pFg4>

    I would ride this to visit my buddy in Chicago every time if this class
    of service were available in the US, what's so "freedom" about driving. Running out for another six-pack after you get there.

    It's funny to see rich greenies fly to climate conferences in their
    private jets, where their gigabuck yachts are waiting. They tend to
    build multiple mansions in the mountains and right on the beach in
    Malibu and Martha's Vineyard and Hawaii.

    And tell us to walk and wait for busses and eat lentils. And to grow
    natural non-GMO food without fertilizer.

    It's funnier to watch someone post drivel in newsgroups while being completely phobic about having an actual conversation with someone who can challenge him and show him all his logical missteps. Yeah, hilarious. He tries to win arguments by totting
    out debating techniques used by 6 year olds, calling people funny names.

    Well, it's funny when it isn't so bad as to be pathetic.

    --

    Rick C.

    -+--+ Get 1,000 miles of free Supercharging
    -+--+ Tesla referral code - https://ts.la/richard11209

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From Rickster@21:1/5 to Ed Lee on Thu Mar 24 17:35:18 2022
    On Thursday, March 24, 2022 at 3:26:58 PM UTC-4, Ed Lee wrote:
    On Monday, March 21, 2022 at 1:13:53 PM UTC-7, Rickster wrote:
    On Monday, March 21, 2022 at 1:34:37 PM UTC-4, Ed Lee wrote:
    On Monday, March 21, 2022 at 7:20:41 AM UTC-7, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
    On Mon, 21 Mar 2022 05:35:05 -0700 (PDT), Ed Lee
    <edward....@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Friday, March 18, 2022 at 9:03:43 AM UTC-7, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
    https://www.breitbart.com/europe/2022/03/18/great-reset-germany-wants-eu-ban-on-sale-of-petrol-and-diesel-cars-by-2035/

    US and Cal also.

    So, who are we going to call for help?

    I am stuck overnight between chargers. The rest stop with charger is closed. Of course, there is no way to find that out except when approaching the area. Otherwise, i would have charged-up somewhere else.
    Is that situation hypothetical or real?
    Real. Plugshare show the charger available, but no way to get to it without running the blockage.
    Plugshare is updated by users who wish to contribute, like reviews on Google maps.

    The Tesla data is a lot more accurate, as their chargers are connected to their system in real time.

    I think that's true for CalTran network also. Plugshare is pulling data from the machines. So, it's correctly showing that the chargers are up and running. But ... And why didn't they shut down the machines in unaccessable rest area?

    Because it Caltran. It's not like they understand anything about BEV charging or care about it.


    Kingsburg Rest stop (0/2)
    South bound complete blockage, no access
    Fresno Maintainence Stations (0/4)
    All four stations power cables are gone
    Frazer Rest Stop (1/4)
    Two stations had communication problem.
    One station lock in payment option
    One station working
    CA58/184 (0/2)
    One station had communication problem
    One station with missing ChaDeMo power cable
    Many sites with only one working charger.

    I am going to write to CalTran again . They were great at bring them up, but not keeping them up, only after a year or so.
    They are not technical engineers.

    I think you and your Leaf are a good match.

    --

    Rick C.

    -+-+- Get 1,000 miles of free Supercharging
    -+-+- Tesla referral code - https://ts.la/richard11209

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  • From Ed Lee@21:1/5 to Rickster on Fri Mar 25 05:26:23 2022
    On Thursday, March 24, 2022 at 5:35:22 PM UTC-7, Rickster wrote:
    On Thursday, March 24, 2022 at 3:26:58 PM UTC-4, Ed Lee wrote:
    On Monday, March 21, 2022 at 1:13:53 PM UTC-7, Rickster wrote:
    On Monday, March 21, 2022 at 1:34:37 PM UTC-4, Ed Lee wrote:
    On Monday, March 21, 2022 at 7:20:41 AM UTC-7, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
    On Mon, 21 Mar 2022 05:35:05 -0700 (PDT), Ed Lee <edward....@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Friday, March 18, 2022 at 9:03:43 AM UTC-7, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
    https://www.breitbart.com/europe/2022/03/18/great-reset-germany-wants-eu-ban-on-sale-of-petrol-and-diesel-cars-by-2035/

    US and Cal also.

    So, who are we going to call for help?

    I am stuck overnight between chargers. The rest stop with charger is closed. Of course, there is no way to find that out except when approaching the area. Otherwise, i would have charged-up somewhere else.
    Is that situation hypothetical or real?
    Real. Plugshare show the charger available, but no way to get to it without running the blockage.
    Plugshare is updated by users who wish to contribute, like reviews on Google maps.

    The Tesla data is a lot more accurate, as their chargers are connected to their system in real time.

    I think that's true for CalTran network also. Plugshare is pulling data from the machines. So, it's correctly showing that the chargers are up and running. But ... And why didn't they shut down the machines in unaccessable rest area?
    Because it Caltran. It's not like they understand anything about BEV charging or care about it.
    Kingsburg Rest stop (0/2)
    South bound complete blockage, no access
    Fresno Maintainence Stations (0/4)
    All four stations power cables are gone
    Frazer Rest Stop (1/4)
    Two stations had communication problem.
    One station lock in payment option
    One station working
    CA58/184 (0/2)
    One station had communication problem
    One station with missing ChaDeMo power cable
    Many sites with only one working charger.

    I am going to write to CalTran again . They were great at bring them up, but not keeping them up, only after a year or so.
    They are not technical engineers.
    I think you and your Leaf are a good match.

    Thank you for your expressed concern and understanding. As you are well aware, EV charging is a mission critical logistic issue. Deplotment of transport readiness must be carefully planned. We believe that it is critical and essential to create a
    commission to address and to coordinate the important issues across multiple departments.

    Major issues are: equipment uptime managements and planned inaccessiblities. Furthermore, interconnectiblity of sites with limited resources.

    But we are certainly doing better than the Russian military.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From M Kfivethousand@21:1/5 to John Larkin on Thu Mar 31 21:37:18 2022
    On Monday, March 21, 2022 at 2:06:33 PM UTC-5, John Larkin wrote:
    On Sun, 20 Mar 2022 13:32:03 -0700 (PDT), M Kfivethousand <marik...@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Sunday, March 20, 2022 at 9:55:20 AM UTC-5, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
    On Sun, 20 Mar 2022 00:27:09 -0400, "Tom Del Rosso"
    <fizzbin...@that-google-mail-domain.com> wrote:

    bitrex wrote:
    On 3/18/2022 12:57 PM, Ralph Mowery wrote:
    In article <n6d93hh06f3l5rsk5...@4ax.com>,
    jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com says...

    The US was never an empire like England and Spain and China and
    Japan. All the states chose to be states. We didn't have much of a
    colonial empire, and don't hold any territory by force.




    I would say the war between the states (Civel War) held many states
    by force.
    Wasn't Texas taken from Mexico ?

    Some would say all of America was taken from lots of people, lol

    And everywhere else is populated by the original inhabitants.
    Don't ignore animal rights! Nasty invasive humans killed off the
    native animal populations who owned the land, well, everywhere.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_North_American_animals_extinct_in_the_Holocene

    and that's just North America.

    Some of the extinction may have been natural, but hunter-gatherers
    sure didn't help.

    Do "original inhabitants" own the land?

    What about herderers
    they have an impact too I bet

    I myself prefer a nice bit of cheese
    The US used to be a cheese desert, but things are better now. Sartori
    makes great parmesan. Cowgirl Creamery makes fun stuff. Tillamook
    cheddars are good.

    \I am unfortunately limited to Aldis products, which their business model results in their limiting selections to their own brand

    I will Will try some of your suggestions but will order by mail

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  • From Cydrome Leader@21:1/5 to jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com on Sat Apr 2 17:39:20 2022
    jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
    On Fri, 18 Mar 2022 16:25:55 GMT, Jan Panteltje
    <pNaonStpealmtje@yahoo.com> wrote:

    On a sunny day (Fri, 18 Mar 2022 09:03:33 -0700) it happened >>jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote in >><q2b93hdrktcvjl33sid25tbbboff7s2cho@4ax.com>:

    https://www.breitbart.com/europe/2022/03/18/great-reset-germany-wants-eu-ban-on-sale-of-petrol-and-diesel-cars-by-2035/


    I wonder where the electricity will come from. Large-scale generating
    and distribution systems take a long time to build. And need fuel.

    Northstream2 will work by that time ?

    Germany is already energy poor, mostly by choice. And hostage to
    Russia.


    was watching Russian TV and I did see / feel a sense of unity there that I do not - and have
    not seen in the US in ages.


    Well, Russian TV tolerates no dissent.

    One cool thing about the US is its lack of unity. People are
    inherently different, so sporting-level diversity works.


    Think US is all over, just last bits of noise from a dying empire.


    The US was never an empire like England and Spain and China and Japan.
    All the states chose to be states. We didn't have much of a colonial
    empire, and don't hold any territory by force.

    What swept the world, and continues, is US science and culture and
    SUVs and food. Check google Street View all over the world. Everything
    looks like Dallas.

    Lol, everything looks like dallas.

    It's unfortunate that, at the end of WW2, Russia forced the US to be
    the defender of europe, the world's unwilling policeman.

    But more to the point, we have gobs of gas and oil, and politicians
    will drill before being voted out.

    The US is a far more peaceful place than continental europe. Isn't there something like zero recorded years of no wars going on over there? Those fuckers just can't get along at all, for any reason, for any period of
    time.

    The last war on US soil was 1865.

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  • From Ricky@21:1/5 to Cydrome Leader on Sat Apr 2 16:40:36 2022
    On Saturday, April 2, 2022 at 1:39:26 PM UTC-4, Cydrome Leader wrote:
    jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
    On Fri, 18 Mar 2022 16:25:55 GMT, Jan Panteltje
    <pNaonSt...@yahoo.com> wrote:

    On a sunny day (Fri, 18 Mar 2022 09:03:33 -0700) it happened >>jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote in >><q2b93hdrktcvjl33s...@4ax.com>:

    https://www.breitbart.com/europe/2022/03/18/great-reset-germany-wants-eu-ban-on-sale-of-petrol-and-diesel-cars-by-2035/


    I wonder where the electricity will come from. Large-scale generating >>>and distribution systems take a long time to build. And need fuel.

    Northstream2 will work by that time ?

    Germany is already energy poor, mostly by choice. And hostage to
    Russia.


    was watching Russian TV and I did see / feel a sense of unity there that I do not - and have
    not seen in the US in ages.


    Well, Russian TV tolerates no dissent.

    One cool thing about the US is its lack of unity. People are
    inherently different, so sporting-level diversity works.


    Think US is all over, just last bits of noise from a dying empire.


    The US was never an empire like England and Spain and China and Japan.
    All the states chose to be states. We didn't have much of a colonial empire, and don't hold any territory by force.

    What swept the world, and continues, is US science and culture and
    SUVs and food. Check google Street View all over the world. Everything looks like Dallas.

    Lol, everything looks like dallas.

    It's unfortunate that, at the end of WW2, Russia forced the US to be
    the defender of europe, the world's unwilling policeman.

    But more to the point, we have gobs of gas and oil, and politicians
    will drill before being voted out.

    The US is a far more peaceful place than continental europe. Isn't there something like zero recorded years of no wars going on over there? Those fuckers just can't get along at all, for any reason, for any period of
    time.

    The last war on US soil was 1865.

    Yeah, if you don't count the war on blacks for the next hundred years.

    Weren't we in a war in Hawaii in 1941? Oh, I guess technically we weren't at war until a few days later.

    Then there were many, many war actions on US embassies which are considered US soil.

    I suppose for the most part though, you are right that we have mostly been able to be aggressive enough to do the fighting elsewhere... other than against blacks.

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