• OT: Will Russia extradite Ukrainian officials for election interference

    From John Doe@21:1/5 to All on Mon Mar 14 07:11:21 2022
    This is a LONG article related to John Durham's investigation. I've read
    it a few times so far. Fascinating, but beware, it might make you hungry...
    :D

    Ukrainians were actively and secretly campaigning against Donald Trump.
    I wonder why Trump sold weapons to Ukraine. And if Trump were still in
    office, would he start World War III like Democrats and neocons want?
    Weird.

    http://preview.realclearinvestigations.com/articles/2022/03/10/how_ukraine_conspired_with_dems_against_trump_to_prevent_the_kind_of_war_happening_now_under_biden_820873.html

    For instance, Ukraine Minister of Internal Affairs Arsen Avakov tweeted
    that Trump was a "clown" who was "an even bigger danger to the U.S. than terrorism." In another July post, he called Trump "dangerous for
    Ukraine." And on Facebook, Ukrainian Prime Minister Arseny Yatseniuk
    warned that Trump had "challenged the very values of the free world."

    (After Trump upset Clinton, Avakov and other officials tried to delete
    their statements from their social network accounts, saying that they
    had been wrong and had rushed to conclusions.)

    "It was clear that they were supporting Hillary Clinton's candidacy," Ukrainian lawmaker Andriy Artemenko told Politico. "They did everything
    from organizing meetings with the Clinton team to publicly supporting
    her to criticizing Trump."

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  • From whit3rd@21:1/5 to John Doe on Mon Mar 14 02:58:38 2022
    On Monday, March 14, 2022 at 12:11:32 AM UTC-7, John Doe wrote:

    Ukrainians were actively and secretly campaigning against Donald Trump.

    Says Russians, who were secretly campaigning for Donald Trump?

    <https://www.msnbc.com/brian-williams/watch/nyt-donald-trump-jr-was-told-of-russian-effort-to-help-campaign-992239171600>

    I wonder why Trump sold weapons to Ukraine.

    As it turns out, that was a good idea. Probably not his, personally. Congress certainly
    made some of those decisions.

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  • From John Doe@21:1/5 to whit3rd@gmail.com on Mon Mar 14 11:21:07 2022
    whit3rd <whit3rd@gmail.com> wrote:

    John Doe wrote:

    This is a LONG article related to John Durham's investigation. I've
    read it a few times so far. Fascinating, but beware, it might make you
    hungry... :D

    Ukrainians were actively and secretly campaigning against Donald Trump.
    I wonder why Trump sold weapons to Ukraine. And if Trump were still in
    office, would he start World War III like Democrats and neocons want?
    Weird.

    http://preview.realclearinvestigations.com/articles/2022/03/10/how_ukraine_conspired_with_dems_against_trump_to_prevent_the_kind_of_war_happening_now_under_biden_820873.html

    For instance, Ukraine Minister of Internal Affairs Arsen Avakov tweeted
    that Trump was a "clown" who was "an even bigger danger to the U.S. than
    terrorism." In another July post, he called Trump "dangerous for
    Ukraine." And on Facebook, Ukrainian Prime Minister Arseny Yatseniuk
    warned that Trump had "challenged the very values of the free world."

    (After Trump upset Clinton, Avakov and other officials tried to delete
    their statements from their social network accounts, saying that they
    had been wrong and had rushed to conclusions.)

    "It was clear that they were supporting Hillary Clinton's candidacy,"
    Ukrainian lawmaker Andriy Artemenko told Politico. "They did everything
    from organizing meetings with the Clinton team to publicly supporting
    her to criticizing Trump."

    Says Russians, who were secretly campaigning for Donald Trump?

    The facts (with references) are in the article above.

    <https://www.msnbc.com

    https://www.youtube.com/c/msnbc/search?query=Avenatti

    "Michael Avenatti: Where Are The Rest Of The Tapes?"

    "Stormy Daniels' Attorney Michael Avenatti Considering A Bid For The White House"

    "Michael Avenatti: It's Too Late For Donald Trump And Cohen To Surrender"

    "Michael Avenatti: Our Summary Is 100 Percent Accurate"

    "Avenatti: Michael Cohen Case Could Cost President Trump The Presidency"

    "Avenatti: Rudy Giuliani Gives The Worst Attorney TV Performance"

    "Michael Avenatti: Two More Women Claim President Donald Trump's Hush Deals"

    "Michael Avenatti: "Ludicrous" To Think Trump Lawyer Worked Alone"

    ...and on and on

    He was the cannibal left's Crown Prince, their Trump Slayer. Anybody who
    takes MSNBC seriously is a fool.

    I wonder why Trump sold weapons to Ukraine.

    As it turns out, that was a good idea.

    Not for Ukraine...

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  • From M Kfivethousand@21:1/5 to John Doe on Thu Mar 17 14:11:12 2022
    On Monday, March 14, 2022 at 2:11:32 AM UTC-5, John Doe wrote:
    This is a LONG article related to John Durham

    he doesn’t scare me.

    mk5000

    Better than sailing at midnight
    Better than diving for pearls
    Better than skiing in Aspen
    Better than feeding the squirrels

    https://www.letssingit.com/al-jarreau-lyrics-better-than-anything-v3p62mx LetsSingIt - The Internet Lyrics Database

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  • From John Doe@21:1/5 to All on Thu Mar 17 22:43:31 2022
    This is a LONG article related to John Durham's investigation. I've read
    it about 5 times so far. Fascinating, but beware, it might make you
    hungry... :D

    Ukrainians were actively and secretly campaigning against Donald Trump. I wonder why Trump sold weapons to Ukraine. And if Trump were still in
    office, would he start World War III like Democrats and neocons want?
    Weird.

    http://preview.realclearinvestigations.com/articles/2022/03/10/how_ukraine_conspired_with_dems_against_trump_to_prevent_the_kind_of_war_happening_now_under_biden_820873.html

    So you have no wonder why so many so-called Republican politicians are worshiping Ukraine, acting like it is near and dear as Israel.

    The vast majority of Americans, right and left, are very upset at our government for sending billions of borrowed taxpayer dollars to Ukraine.

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  • From Anthony William Sloman@21:1/5 to John Doe on Thu Mar 17 20:26:57 2022
    On Friday, March 18, 2022 at 9:43:39 AM UTC+11, John Doe wrote:
    http://preview.realclearinvestigations.com/articles/2022/03/10/how_ukraine_conspired_with_dems_against_trump_to_prevent_the_kind_of_war_happening_now_under_biden_820873.html
    So you have no wonder why so many so-called Republican politicians are worshiping Ukraine, acting like it is near and dear as Israel.

    The vast majority of Americans, right and left, are very upset at our government for sending billions of borrowed taxpayer dollars to Ukraine.

    Or so John Doe likes to claim. He;s a lunatic.

    This is a LONG article related to John Durham's investigation. I've read
    it about 5 times so far. Fascinating, but beware, it might make you
    hungry... :D

    Real Clear Politics has been a pro-Trump propaganda source since 2017.

    Ukrainians were actively and secretly campaigning against Donald Trump.

    Really?

    I wonder why Trump sold weapons to Ukraine.

    He didn't. Congress did. And Trump tried to hold them up to pressure the Ukranians into setting up a bogus investigation into Joe and Hunter Biden. He should have been impeached for it, but the Republican Party refused to even look at the evidence.

    And if Trump were still in office, would he start World War III like Democrats and neocons want?

    They don't want to, but John Doe has this lunatic idea that they do. He is insane.

    Weird.

    Very,

    --
    Bill Sloman, Sydney

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  • From John Doe@21:1/5 to All on Fri Mar 18 13:47:40 2022
    An America-bashing Australian...


    Bozo Bill Sloman, the most frequent troll in this group, is an attention-craving chronic liar who cannot be reasoned with...

    "the Mueller investigation was about Trump only because Trump made it so"
    (Bozo paraphrased)

    "the concepts "male" and "female" are essentially social constructions"
    (Bill Sloman)

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  • From M Kfivethousand@21:1/5 to John Doe on Fri Mar 18 12:50:59 2022
    On Thursday, March 17, 2022 at 5:43:39 PM UTC-5, John Doe wrote:
    This is a LONG article related to John Durham's investigation. I've read
    it about 5 times so far. Fascinating, but beware, it might make you
    hungry... :D

    Ukrainians were actively and secretly campaigning against Donald Trump. I wonder why Trump sold weapons to Ukraine. And if Trump were still in
    office, would he start World War III like Democrats and neocons want?
    Weird.

    I wonder why bush let putin invade Georgia

    Poroshenko was neutral



    rosiya vzhe vyhlyadaye crazy

    kazhut: vony ne dbayut

    yak vony perestanut' prodavaty petrol tym krayinam na yakikh vony ye
    zli, khto lyshetsya yim mayno buduvaty

    idioty

    Biden just had a call with Xi
    It doesn't sound like xi loves Russia as much as he did in 2008

    Even Uzbekistan has condemned Russia this time around

    <http://afp.google.com/article/ALeqM5hkAsQddui_JobZteZrJ-_G9q_hLw>
    Russia wins backing from China, Central Asia over Georgia

    3

    MOSCOW (AFP) — Russia won support Thursday from China and Central
    Asian states in its standoff with the West over the Georgia conflict
    as the European Union said it was weighing sanctions against Moscow.

    Russia's President Dmitry Medvedev said he hoped the "united position"
    of a summit of Central Asian nations would "serve as a serious signal
    to those who try to turn black into white".

    The West has strongly condemned Russia's military offensive in Georgia
    this month and Medvedev's decision to recognise Georgia's breakaway
    regions of Abkhazia and South Ossetia as independent states.

    Ratcheting up pressure on Russia, French Foreign Minister Bernard
    Kouchner, whose country holds the presidency of the European Union,
    said the 27-nation bloc was preparing sanctions on Moscow.

    EU leaders meet Monday in Brussels for an emergency summit to press
    demands for a further Russian withdrawal from Georgia.

    "Sanctions are being considered, and many other means," Kouchner said in Paris.

    China, Kazakhstan, Kyrgyzstan, Russia, Tajikistan and Uzbekistan
    voiced support for Russia's "active role" in resolving the conflict in
    Georgia, according to the draft of a joint statement released by the
    Kremlin.

    Leaders from the countries met in the Tajik capital of Dushanbe as the
    Shanghai Cooperation Organisation, a regional group set up in 2001 to
    counter NATO influence in the strategic Central Asia region.

    On Wednesday, the Group of Seven industrialised powers strongly
    condemned Russia's recognition of the two rebel regions.

    "We deplore Russia's excessive use of military force in Georgia and
    its continued occupation of parts of Georgia," said the statement from
    Britain, Canada, France, Germany, Italy, Japan and the United States.

    Former Georgian president Eduard Shevardnadze warned meanwhile that
    Russia's recognition of the regions would boomerang on Moscow.

    "They will live to regret it," Shevardnadze said in an interview in
    Japan's Asahi Shimbun newspaper, adding that the move would "encourage separatist movements within ethnically-diverse Russia".

    Russia claims it had to act after Georgia on August 7 launched an
    offensive to retake South Ossetia, an attack that South Ossetia's
    prosecutor general said Thursday had killed 1,692 people, according to
    the Interfax news agency.

    German Foreign Minister Frank-Walter Steinmeier on Thursday called on
    Moscow to allow an international probe into the allegations of abuses.

    "(Moscow) alleges that these atrocities were meted out on the South
    Ossetian population. Russia or South Ossetia must document whether
    this is the case and to what extent," Steinmeier told the Sueddeutsche
    Zeitung daily.

    On a visit to Ukraine on Wednesday, British Foreign Secretary David
    Miliband warned Russia not to start a new Cold War.

    But he also conceded that isolating Russia would be counterproductive
    because the West relied on cooperation with Moscow to tackle global
    problems like climate change and nuclear non-proliferation.

    "The Russian president says he is not afraid of a new Cold War. We
    don't want one," Miliband said, adding: "He has a big responsibility
    not to start one," he added.

    Russia has lashed out at the West for ratcheting up tensions in the
    Black Sea and warned that attempts to isolate Moscow could lead to an
    economic backlash.

    Officials said they were monitoring a growing NATO naval presence in
    the Black Sea, as the second of three US ships sent to deliver aid
    arrived in Georgia.

    Moscow has accused the West of using aid shipments as a cover for
    rearming Georgia after the Russian military surge into Georgia this
    month left much of the Georgian military in tatters.

    "Certainly some measures of precaution are being taken," said a
    spokesman for Prime Minister Vladimir Putin, Dmitry Peskov. "It's not
    a common practice to deliver humanitarian aid using battleships."

    In a reminder of Russia's energy muscle, he also warned against trying
    to isolate Moscow.

    "Any attempts to jeopardise this atmosphere of cooperation... would
    not only (have) a negative impact for Russia but will definitely harm
    the economic interests of those states," Peskov said.

    Russia moved its own naval forces to the Abkhaz port of Sukhumi, where
    they got a rapturous reception from Abkhaz leader Sergei Bagapsh.

    In Tbilisi, the secretary of the Georgian national security council,
    Alexander Lomaia, told AFP that Russian troops would leave the key
    Black Sea port of Poti on Thursday or Friday "as a result of
    international pressure".

    No confirmation of such a move was forthcoming from the Russian side.

    In the Georgian port of Batumi, the second of three ships sent by
    Washington arrived with aid for some of the 100,000 people that the UN
    refugee agnecy estimates have been displaced in the conflict.

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  • From M Kfivethousand@21:1/5 to John Doe on Fri Mar 18 19:54:26 2022
    On Thursday, March 17, 2022 at 5:43:39 PM UTC-5, John Doe wrote:
    This is a LONG article related to John Durham's investigation. I've read
    it about 5 times so far. Fascinating, but beware, it might make you
    hungry... :D

    Ukrainians were actively and secretly campaigning against Donald Trump. I wonder why Trump sold weapons to Ukraine.

    Here is a shorter article
    Trump sold the weapons on the condition Ukraine not use then

    So USA got $ but swept zelenskyy's feet out from under him to give putin the advantage

    Biden fixed that

    https://twitter.com/DebbieSVA/status/1504817560784674825?s=20&t=e6JNK9p6KCvb9nqDXNcS-w

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