https://jerhetrick.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/02/19398b-1170x780.jpg
Now that the cell system has been botched for small devices because of the 3G shut-off, a question arises:
Are there still cordless flip phones that tie into the regular landline or DECT?
Many older and disabled people need that. Regular cordless phones are bulky and
have exposed knobs. Not practical to carry in a pocket. It can be bone simple,
even sans display or maybe single-line. Heck, even half a dozen programmed phone
numbers and no keypad suffices. In the past they existed:
https://jerhetrick.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/02/19398b-1170x780.jpg https://www.uniden.info/download/ompdf/ELBT595om.pdf
Excellent idea, but then all that went away. There are some single-button lanyard systems but usually way overpriced. Most come with mandatory and expensive subscription.
On 13/03/22 05:27, Joerg wrote:
Now that the cell system has been botched for small devices because of the 3GWorse: forcibly changing all landlines to SIP via a router.
shut-off, a question arises:
What happens when there is a power cut?
What happens where cellular reception is patchy?
Are there still cordless flip phones that tie into the regular landline or DECT?I have cellular flip phone so I can bury it in my
Many older and disabled people need that. Regular cordless phones are bulky and
have exposed knobs. Not practical to carry in a pocket. It can be bone simple,
even sans display or maybe single-line. Heck, even half a dozen programmed phone
numbers and no keypad suffices. In the past they existed:
pocket, but they are rare. Doro makes such phones for
the elderly at reasonable prices.
https://jerhetrick.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/02/19398b-1170x780.jpg https://www.uniden.info/download/ompdf/ELBT595om.pdf
Excellent idea, but then all that went away. There are some single-button lanyard systems but usually way overpriced. Most come with mandatory and expensive subscription.Years ago my mother had a phone from amazon that
had a pendant emergency button. When pressed
it dials up to three different numbers until
someone answers. https://www.amazon.co.uk/Amplicom-PowerTel-Alarm-Corded-Telephone/dp/B001EZC4SG
"Currently unavailable" of course, but it might
be worth looking at that manufacturer's current
products
I'm curious why you think a Flip phone is better for your
client. I admit my elder family members like them too, but
honestly I don't think that design is so easy to use. ...
On 13/03/22 05:27, Joerg wrote:
Now that the cell system has been botched for small devices because of the 3GWorse: forcibly changing all landlines to SIP via a router.
shut-off, a question arises:
What happens when there is a power cut?
What happens where cellular reception is patchy?
Are there still cordless flip phones that tie into the regular landline or DECT?I have cellular flip phone so I can bury it in my
Many older and disabled people need that. Regular cordless phones are bulky and
have exposed knobs. Not practical to carry in a pocket. It can be bone simple,
even sans display or maybe single-line. Heck, even half a dozen programmed phone
numbers and no keypad suffices. In the past they existed:
pocket, but they are rare. Doro makes such phones for
the elderly at reasonable prices.
Another approach, is many DECT cordless phone/answers also
have Bluetooth feature, so the use can pair wireless headset
with the base. A carefully chosen location for base might give
you enough range with the BT headset / connection.
All users no matter the age, appreciate a well designed product.
Ease of use that attains excellent level represents
a well thought design, it takes work, and is not an accident.
I'm curious why you think a Flip phone is better for your
client. I admit my elder family members like them too, but
honestly I don't think that design is so easy to use. Its only
benefit I see is a obvious "answer" and "end call" actions
re opening/closing via the hinge switch.
IME, people "of a certain age" &/or with dexterity issues, etc.,
just need some parameters "increased" .
I.e. large(er) buttons with high contrast labeling, and
no confusing symbols, no misplaced switches/buttons,
Also nice, "snappy" force-deflection behavior of the push-buttons. (mechanical feedback). Other feedback (beeps, lights) too.
The hand-grip area should be free of any buttons, (anything that
could be mistakenly pressed by the user). Bigger fonts,
louder audio, Etc,
On Sunday, March 13, 2022 at 8:41:06 AM UTC, Tom Gardner wrote:
On 13/03/22 05:27, Joerg wrote:
Now that the cell system has been botched for small devices because of the 3GWorse: forcibly changing all landlines to SIP via a router.
shut-off, a question arises:
What happens when there is a power cut?
What happens where cellular reception is patchy?
Are there still cordless flip phones that tie into the regular landline or DECT?I have cellular flip phone so I can bury it in my
Many older and disabled people need that. Regular cordless phones are bulky and
have exposed knobs. Not practical to carry in a pocket. It can be bone simple,
even sans display or maybe single-line. Heck, even half a dozen programmed phone
numbers and no keypad suffices. In the past they existed:
pocket, but they are rare. Doro makes such phones for
the elderly at reasonable prices.
https://jerhetrick.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/02/19398b-1170x780.jpg https://www.uniden.info/download/ompdf/ELBT595om.pdf
Excellent idea, but then all that went away. There are some single-buttonYears ago my mother had a phone from amazon that
lanyard systems but usually way overpriced. Most come with mandatory and expensive subscription.
had a pendant emergency button. When pressed
it dials up to three different numbers until
someone answers. https://www.amazon.co.uk/Amplicom-PowerTel-Alarm-Corded-Telephone/dp/B001EZC4SG
"Currently unavailable" of course, but it mightHi Joerg,
be worth looking at that manufacturer's current
products
Another approach, is many DECT cordless phone/answers also
have Bluetooth feature, so the use can pair wireless headset
with the base. A carefully chosen location for base might give
you enough range with the BT headset / connection.
All users no matter the age, appreciate a well designed product.
Ease of use that attains excellent level represents
a well thought design, it takes work, and is not an accident.
I'm curious why you think a Flip phone is better for your
client. I admit my elder family members like them too, but
honestly I don't think that design is so easy to use. Its only
benefit I see is a obvious "answer" and "end call" actions
re opening/closing via the hinge switch.
IME, people "of a certain age" &/or with dexterity issues, etc.,
just need some parameters "increased" .
I.e. large(er) buttons with high contrast labeling, and
no confusing symbols, no misplaced switches/buttons,
Also nice, "snappy" force-deflection behavior of the push-buttons. (mechanical feedback). Other feedback (beeps, lights) too.
The hand-grip area should be free of any buttons, (anything that
could be mistakenly pressed by the user). Bigger fonts,
louder audio, Etc,
well, you get the idea.
regards, RS
On 3/13/2022 2:19 PM, Rich S wrote:
Another approach, is many DECT cordless phone/answers alsoI suspect the issue is portability. It blows my mind that folks
have Bluetooth feature, so the use can pair wireless headset
with the base. A carefully chosen location for base might give
you enough range with the BT headset / connection.
carry their (cell) phones around the house with them -- or, have to
leave it someplace they can rush to when it rings lest they miss
an incoming call.
OTOH, if you *need* to carry <something>, you'd want it to be as
small as possible.
We have BT earpieces so the phone system can find us from
anywhere on the property (beacons located in the front and back
yards). But, I think a button -- for emergencies -- would be
easier for someone to deal with (esp if in cognitive decline).
[We have audio monitors in the bathrooms that "listen" for
cries of distress so the occupant doesn't need to wear an
earpiece in the shower]
All users no matter the age, appreciate a well designed product.I'm not sure that's true. I see lots of poorly designed products
in use -- simply because folks don't have a real choice.
Close your eyes and try to use your microwave oven. Or, your
household thermostat.
Plug your ears and try to do laundry -- how often will you "forget"
there are clothes in the wash?
Ease of use that attains excellent level representsToo often, engineers make these decisions and not folks who are
a well thought design, it takes work, and is not an accident.
actually skilled in their markets.
We designed a piece of kit for commercial fisher/lobster-men
decades ago. As it would be in a wet environment, we opted for
a membrane keypad (relatively new at the time). I complained to
my boss that the buttons were too hard to press; it was like
pressing on a piece of metal (no "give"). He laughed and
described the *working* hands of a fisherman, covered with
fish guts poking at the buttons on a rough sea...
I'm curious why you think a Flip phone is better for yourI'd guess size and the fact that the buttons are protected when
client. I admit my elder family members like them too, but
honestly I don't think that design is so easy to use. Its only
benefit I see is a obvious "answer" and "end call" actions
re opening/closing via the hinge switch.
closed. No "butt-dialing". No "screens" to sort through.
IME, people "of a certain age" &/or with dexterity issues, etc.,As a screen shouldn't respond to "touches" by your cheek, etc.
just need some parameters "increased" .
I.e. large(er) buttons with high contrast labeling, and
no confusing symbols, no misplaced switches/buttons,
Also nice, "snappy" force-deflection behavior of the push-buttons. (mechanical feedback). Other feedback (beeps, lights) too.
The hand-grip area should be free of any buttons, (anything that
could be mistakenly pressed by the user). Bigger fonts,
louder audio, Etc,
Lol, I've had my smart phone sense a touch when I didn't even touch the screen. In the car the screen is not so sensitive, but it is terrible about thinking a touch was a swipe because the car moved as I touched the screen. A touch screen is a terribleidea in a moving car. You would think some of the effort in the millions of lines of code would be for voice control for most of the features in the car, but it only responds to "dial" and "navigate" and "play" sorts of commands. Even my bleeding phone
--
On 3/13/2022 5:19 PM, Rich S wrote:
...
I'm curious why you think a Flip phone is better for your
client. I admit my elder family members like them too, but
honestly I don't think that design is so easy to use. ...
I had a flip phone until 4 years ago when my wife (spontaneously) bought
me an iPhone. I really like its camera. Otherwise not so much - it's
WAY harder to use.
... I'm constantly getting screens that I never wanted
and accidentally invoked. Or can't figure out what I do want to do.
Never had those problems with the flip phone.
There's very little that I want a phone to do and the iPhone's feature
glut obscures the essentials.
On 13/03/22 05:27, Joerg wrote:
Now that the cell system has been botched for small devices because of
the 3G shut-off, a question arises:
Worse: forcibly changing all landlines to SIP via a router.
What happens when there is a power cut?
What happens where cellular reception is patchy?
Are there still cordless flip phones that tie into the regular
landline or DECT? Many older and disabled people need that. Regular
cordless phones are bulky and have exposed knobs. Not practical to
carry in a pocket. It can be bone simple, even sans display or maybe
single-line. Heck, even half a dozen programmed phone numbers and no
keypad suffices. In the past they existed:
I have cellular flip phone so I can bury it in my
pocket, but they are rare. Doro makes such phones for
the elderly at reasonable prices.
https://jerhetrick.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/02/19398b-1170x780.jpg
https://www.uniden.info/download/ompdf/ELBT595om.pdf
Excellent idea, but then all that went away. There are some
single-button lanyard systems but usually way overpriced. Most come
with mandatory and expensive subscription.
Years ago my mother had a phone from amazon that
had a pendant emergency button. When pressed
it dials up to three different numbers until
someone answers. https://www.amazon.co.uk/Amplicom-PowerTel-Alarm-Corded-Telephone/dp/B001EZC4SG
"Currently unavailable" of course, but it might
be worth looking at that manufacturer's current
products
touchscreens can get flaky if the surface is gunked up
Lol, I've had my smart phone sense a touch when I didn't even touch
the screen. In the car the screen is not so sensitive, but it is
terrible about thinking a touch was a swipe because the car moved
as I touched the screen. A touch screen is a terrible idea in a
moving car. You would think some of the effort in the millions of
lines of code would be for voice control for most of the features
in the car, but it only responds to "dial" and "navigate" and
"play" sorts of commands. Even my bleeding phone will tell me what
10,000 divided by 365 is. The answer is 42. Seems like the answer
is always 42, no matter the question. Hmmm... maybe I have the
wrong phone.
--
touchscreens can get flaky if the surface is gunked up so routine
cleaning might help ;-) [...]
On 3/15/2022 12:32 PM, Jeroen Belleman wrote:
On 2022-03-15 18:34, Rich S wrote:
Lol, I've had my smart phone sense a touch when I didn't even touch
the screen. In the car the screen is not so sensitive, but it is
terrible about thinking a touch was a swipe because the car moved
as I touched the screen. A touch screen is a terrible idea in a
moving car. You would think some of the effort in the millions of
lines of code would be for voice control for most of the features
in the car, but it only responds to "dial" and "navigate" and
"play" sorts of commands. Even my bleeding phone will tell me what
10,000 divided by 365 is. The answer is 42. Seems like the answer
is always 42, no matter the question. Hmmm... maybe I have the
wrong phone.
--
touchscreens can get flaky if the surface is gunked up so routine
cleaning might help ;-) [...]
In a car, the only user interface should be buttons and levers
that your fingers can find and recognize by touch. All else is
BAD!
+42
OTOH, cars have an ever increasing number of controls. I suspect
we're at the point of cognitive overload to be able to "blindly"
recall where a specific control is located.
On 2022-03-15 18:34, Rich S wrote:
Lol, I've had my smart phone sense a touch when I didn't even touch
the screen. In the car the screen is not so sensitive, but it is
terrible about thinking a touch was a swipe because the car moved
as I touched the screen. A touch screen is a terrible idea in a
moving car. You would think some of the effort in the millions of
lines of code would be for voice control for most of the features
in the car, but it only responds to "dial" and "navigate" and
"play" sorts of commands. Even my bleeding phone will tell me what
10,000 divided by 365 is. The answer is 42. Seems like the answer
is always 42, no matter the question. Hmmm... maybe I have the
wrong phone.
--
touchscreens can get flaky if the surface is gunked up so routine
cleaning might help ;-) [...]
In a car, the only user interface should be buttons and levers
that your fingers can find and recognize by touch. All else is
BAD!
On 3/15/22 3:35 PM, Don Y wrote:
On 3/15/2022 12:32 PM, Jeroen Belleman wrote:
On 2022-03-15 18:34, Rich S wrote:
Lol, I've had my smart phone sense a touch when I didn't even touch
the screen. In the car the screen is not so sensitive, but it is
terrible about thinking a touch was a swipe because the car moved
as I touched the screen. A touch screen is a terrible idea in a
moving car. You would think some of the effort in the millions of
lines of code would be for voice control for most of the features
in the car, but it only responds to "dial" and "navigate" and
"play" sorts of commands. Even my bleeding phone will tell me what
10,000 divided by 365 is. The answer is 42. Seems like the answer
is always 42, no matter the question. Hmmm... maybe I have the
wrong phone.
--
touchscreens can get flaky if the surface is gunked up so routine
cleaning might help ;-) [...]
In a car, the only user interface should be buttons and levers
that your fingers can find and recognize by touch. All else is
BAD!
+42
+43
OTOH, cars have an ever increasing number of controls. I suspect
we're at the point of cognitive overload to be able to "blindly"
recall where a specific control is located.
I purposely bought one that doesn't. My current car doesn't even have power locks or power windows. Didn't want them. What ain't there can't break.
Best was my old Citroen 2CV. In stock condition it did not contain one lone semiconductor. Not even a diode. This was my car back in the 80's:
In a car, the only user interface should be buttons and levers
that your fingers can find and recognize by touch. All else is
BAD!
As I've mentioned before, the Tesla salesman couldn't use
the touchscreen to turn on window demisting. He tried
voice activation, and managed to turn on under-seat heating.
Now try doing that when in rush hour traffic by a school,
or when some idiot cuts you up, or there is a big tarmac
patch interpreted as a hole in road.
On 3/15/22 3:35 PM, Don Y wrote:
On 3/15/2022 12:32 PM, Jeroen Belleman wrote:
On 2022-03-15 18:34, Rich S wrote:
Lol, I've had my smart phone sense a touch when I didn't even touch
the screen. In the car the screen is not so sensitive, but it is
terrible about thinking a touch was a swipe because the car moved
as I touched the screen. A touch screen is a terrible idea in a
moving car. You would think some of the effort in the millions of
lines of code would be for voice control for most of the features
in the car, but it only responds to "dial" and "navigate" and
"play" sorts of commands. Even my bleeding phone will tell me what
10,000 divided by 365 is. The answer is 42. Seems like the answer
is always 42, no matter the question. Hmmm... maybe I have the
wrong phone.
--
touchscreens can get flaky if the surface is gunked up so routine
cleaning might help ;-) [...]
In a car, the only user interface should be buttons and levers
that your fingers can find and recognize by touch. All else is
BAD!
+42
+43
OTOH, cars have an ever increasing number of controls. I suspect
we're at the point of cognitive overload to be able to "blindly"
recall where a specific control is located.
I purposely bought one that doesn't. My current car doesn't even have
power locks or power windows. Didn't want them. What ain't there can't
break.
Best was my old Citroen 2CV. In stock condition it did not contain one
lone semiconductor. Not even a diode. This was my car back in the 80's:
https://www.analogconsultants.com/ng/images/2CV.jpg
16 horses. VROOOM :-)
Joerg <news@analogconsultants.com> wrote:
On 3/15/22 3:35 PM, Don Y wrote:
On 3/15/2022 12:32 PM, Jeroen Belleman wrote:
On 2022-03-15 18:34, Rich S wrote:
Lol, I've had my smart phone sense a touch when I didn't even touch >>>>>> the screen. In the car the screen is not so sensitive, but it is
terrible about thinking a touch was a swipe because the car moved
as I touched the screen. A touch screen is a terrible idea in a
moving car. You would think some of the effort in the millions of
lines of code would be for voice control for most of the features
in the car, but it only responds to "dial" and "navigate" and
"play" sorts of commands. Even my bleeding phone will tell me what >>>>>> 10,000 divided by 365 is. The answer is 42. Seems like the answer
is always 42, no matter the question. Hmmm... maybe I have the
wrong phone.
--
touchscreens can get flaky if the surface is gunked up so routine
cleaning might help ;-) [...]
In a car, the only user interface should be buttons and levers
that your fingers can find and recognize by touch. All else is
BAD!
+42
+43
OTOH, cars have an ever increasing number of controls. I suspect
we're at the point of cognitive overload to be able to "blindly"
recall where a specific control is located.
I purposely bought one that doesn't. My current car doesn't even have
power locks or power windows. Didn't want them. What ain't there can't
break.
Best was my old Citroen 2CV. In stock condition it did not contain one
lone semiconductor. Not even a diode. This was my car back in the 80's:
https://www.analogconsultants.com/ng/images/2CV.jpg
16 horses. VROOOM :-)
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On 13/03/22 05:27, Joerg wrote:
I have cellular flip phone so I can bury it in my
pocket, but they are rare. Doro makes such phones for
the elderly at reasonable prices.
On 13/03/2022 08:40, Tom Gardner wrote:
I have cellular flip phone so I can bury it in my
pocket, but they are rare. Doro makes such phones for
the elderly at reasonable prices.
They still need some work, some folks are barely in the 20th century and not out
of it.
A friend purchased a Doro phone she couldn't use, as could not fathom out that
the green button is pressed after typing the number, to make the call. And the
red button to end it.
Her usual phone use is to pick up a receiver and dial ...
I note the Uniden phone linked has those buttons labelled "talk" and "end". Much
better, but scrap the memories and display. Use a voice assistant prompt.
On 16/03/22 12:36, Adrian Caspersz wrote:
On 13/03/2022 08:40, Tom Gardner wrote:
I have cellular flip phone so I can bury it in my
pocket, but they are rare. Doro makes such phones for
the elderly at reasonable prices.
They still need some work, some folks are barely in the 20th century
and not out of it.
A friend purchased a Doro phone she couldn't use, as could not fathom
out that the green button is pressed after typing the number, to make
the call. And the red button to end it.
You can also press the green button before dialling.
You can set them to answer when the phone is opened, but
obviously then you can't check to see whether you want
to answer.
An advantage for the deaf is that they have a decently
loud speaker.
I note the Uniden phone linked has those buttons labelled "talk" and
"end". Much better, but scrap the memories and display. Use a voice
assistant prompt.
I would expect that level of sophistication would come
with other confusing sophistication. KISS :)
On 16/03/2022 12:44, Tom Gardner wrote:
On 16/03/22 12:36, Adrian Caspersz wrote:
On 13/03/2022 08:40, Tom Gardner wrote:
I have cellular flip phone so I can bury it in my
pocket, but they are rare. Doro makes such phones for
the elderly at reasonable prices.
They still need some work, some folks are barely in the 20th century
and not out of it.
A friend purchased a Doro phone she couldn't use, as could not fathom
out that the green button is pressed after typing the number, to make
the call. And the red button to end it.
You can also press the green button before dialling.
The way mobile phone dialling works, that means that the phone actually connects the number after a short wait when it thinks the user has
finished pressing buttons. Hopefully it's right :)
You can set them to answer when the phone is opened, but
obviously then you can't check to see whether you want
to answer.
An advantage for the deaf is that they have a decently
loud speaker.
Ah, is it a real loud speaker or is it the hands-free speaker misused?
The problem with the latter, is although the phone user can place the outrageously loud speaker to their ear to hear, it's the poor recipient
at the other end that has to cope with the clipped distortion from a microphone amplifier previously adjusted for hands-free use.
I note the Uniden phone linked has those buttons labelled "talk" and
"end". Much better, but scrap the memories and display. Use a voice
assistant prompt.
I would expect that level of sophistication would come
with other confusing sophistication. KISS :)
Tech needs to go to this level, look what's on the top of the radio and hidden in the back.
Dementia / Alzheimer’s DAB+ & FM RADIO https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gZCw9bUJ6q8
(Stupid idea to include an MP3 player)
On 3/16/22 7:47 AM, Adrian Caspersz wrote:
On 16/03/2022 12:44, Tom Gardner wrote:
On 16/03/22 12:36, Adrian Caspersz wrote:
On 13/03/2022 08:40, Tom Gardner wrote:
I have cellular flip phone so I can bury it in my
pocket, but they are rare. Doro makes such phones for
the elderly at reasonable prices.
They still need some work, some folks are barely in the 20th century
and not out of it.
A friend purchased a Doro phone she couldn't use, as could not
fathom out that the green button is pressed after typing the number,
to make the call. And the red button to end it.
You can also press the green button before dialling.
The way mobile phone dialling works, that means that the phone
actually connects the number after a short wait when it thinks the
user has finished pressing buttons. Hopefully it's right :)
Exactly! Even my Android smart phone can do that, so why not the
"modern" flip phones?
It isn't really rocket science to emulate a POTS phone. Or maybe to some telephone design engineers it is ...
Joerg wrote:
On 3/16/22 7:47 AM, Adrian Caspersz wrote:
On 16/03/2022 12:44, Tom Gardner wrote:
On 16/03/22 12:36, Adrian Caspersz wrote:
On 13/03/2022 08:40, Tom Gardner wrote:
I have cellular flip phone so I can bury it in my
pocket, but they are rare. Doro makes such phones for
the elderly at reasonable prices.
They still need some work, some folks are barely in the 20th
century and not out of it.
A friend purchased a Doro phone she couldn't use, as could not
fathom out that the green button is pressed after typing the
number, to make the call. And the red button to end it.
You can also press the green button before dialling.
The way mobile phone dialling works, that means that the phone
actually connects the number after a short wait when it thinks the
user has finished pressing buttons. Hopefully it's right :)
Exactly! Even my Android smart phone can do that, so why not the
"modern" flip phones?
It isn't really rocket science to emulate a POTS phone. Or maybe to
some telephone design engineers it is ...
I'm still waiting for full duplex voice. :(
We all grew up having crystal-clear FDX phones--how did they ever get us
to settle for these stupid walkie-talkie things?
Just one chatterbox on a cell phone wreaks havoc on a phone meeting.
You can also press the green button before dialling.
The way mobile phone dialling works, that means that the phone actually connects the number after a short wait when it thinks the user has finished pressing buttons. Hopefully it's right :)
On 2022-03-15 18:34, Rich S wrote:
Lol, I've had my smart phone sense a touch when I didn't even touch
the screen. In the car the screen is not so sensitive, but it is
terrible about thinking a touch was a swipe because the car moved
as I touched the screen. A touch screen is a terrible idea in a
moving car. You would think some of the effort in the millions of
lines of code would be for voice control for most of the features
in the car, but it only responds to "dial" and "navigate" and
"play" sorts of commands. Even my bleeding phone will tell me what
10,000 divided by 365 is. The answer is 42. Seems like the answer
is always 42, no matter the question. Hmmm... maybe I have the
wrong phone.
--
touchscreens can get flaky if the surface is gunked up so routine
cleaning might help ;-) [...]
In a car, the only user interface should be buttons and levers
that your fingers can find and recognize by touch. All else is
BAD!
On 3/15/22 3:35 PM, Don Y wrote:
On 3/15/2022 12:32 PM, Jeroen Belleman wrote:
On 2022-03-15 18:34, Rich S wrote:
Lol, I've had my smart phone sense a touch when I didn't even touch
the screen. In the car the screen is not so sensitive, but it is
terrible about thinking a touch was a swipe because the car moved
as I touched the screen. A touch screen is a terrible idea in a
moving car. You would think some of the effort in the millions of
lines of code would be for voice control for most of the features
in the car, but it only responds to "dial" and "navigate" and
"play" sorts of commands. Even my bleeding phone will tell me what
10,000 divided by 365 is. The answer is 42. Seems like the answer
is always 42, no matter the question. Hmmm... maybe I have the
wrong phone.
--
touchscreens can get flaky if the surface is gunked up so routine
cleaning might help ;-) [...]
In a car, the only user interface should be buttons and levers
that your fingers can find and recognize by touch. All else is
BAD!
+42
+43
OTOH, cars have an ever increasing number of controls. I suspect
we're at the point of cognitive overload to be able to "blindly"
recall where a specific control is located.
I purposely bought one that doesn't. My current car doesn't even have
power locks or power windows. Didn't want them. What ain't there can't
break.
On 13/03/2022 08:40, Tom Gardner wrote:
On 13/03/22 05:27, Joerg wrote:
I have cellular flip phone so I can bury it in myThey still need some work, some folks are barely in the 20th century and
pocket, but they are rare. Doro makes such phones for
the elderly at reasonable prices.
not out of it.
A friend purchased a Doro phone she couldn't use, as could not fathom
out that the green button is pressed after typing the number, to make
the call. And the red button to end it.
Her usual phone use is to pick up a receiver and dial ...
I note the Uniden phone linked has those buttons labelled "talk" and
"end". Much better, but scrap the memories and display. Use a voice
assistant prompt.
On 15/03/22 22:49, Joerg wrote:
On 3/15/22 3:35 PM, Don Y wrote:As I've mentioned before, the Tesla salesman couldn't use
On 3/15/2022 12:32 PM, Jeroen Belleman wrote:
On 2022-03-15 18:34, Rich S wrote:
Lol, I've had my smart phone sense a touch when I didn't even touch >>>>> the screen. In the car the screen is not so sensitive, but it is
terrible about thinking a touch was a swipe because the car moved >>>>> as I touched the screen. A touch screen is a terrible idea in a
moving car. You would think some of the effort in the millions of >>>>> lines of code would be for voice control for most of the features >>>>> in the car, but it only responds to "dial" and "navigate" and
"play" sorts of commands. Even my bleeding phone will tell me what >>>>> 10,000 divided by 365 is. The answer is 42. Seems like the answer >>>>> is always 42, no matter the question. Hmmm... maybe I have the
wrong phone.
--
touchscreens can get flaky if the surface is gunked up so routine
cleaning might help ;-) [...]
In a car, the only user interface should be buttons and levers
that your fingers can find and recognize by touch. All else is
BAD!
the touchscreen to turn on window demisting. He tried
voice activation, and managed to turn on under-seat heating.
Now try doing that when in rush hour traffic by a school,
or when some idiot cuts you up, or there is a big tarmac
patch interpreted as a hole in road.
On Tuesday, March 15, 2022 at 6:49:52 PM UTC-4, Joerg wrote:
On 3/15/22 3:35 PM, Don Y wrote:
On 3/15/2022 12:32 PM, Jeroen Belleman wrote:+43
On 2022-03-15 18:34, Rich S wrote:
Lol, I've had my smart phone sense a touch when I didn't even touch >>>>>> the screen. In the car the screen is not so sensitive, but it is
terrible about thinking a touch was a swipe because the car moved
as I touched the screen. A touch screen is a terrible idea in a
moving car. You would think some of the effort in the millions of
lines of code would be for voice control for most of the features
in the car, but it only responds to "dial" and "navigate" and
"play" sorts of commands. Even my bleeding phone will tell me what >>>>>> 10,000 divided by 365 is. The answer is 42. Seems like the answer
is always 42, no matter the question. Hmmm... maybe I have the
wrong phone.
--
touchscreens can get flaky if the surface is gunked up so routine
cleaning might help ;-) [...]
In a car, the only user interface should be buttons and levers
that your fingers can find and recognize by touch. All else is
BAD!
+42
OTOH, cars have an ever increasing number of controls. I suspectI purposely bought one that doesn't. My current car doesn't even have
we're at the point of cognitive overload to be able to "blindly"
recall where a specific control is located.
power locks or power windows. Didn't want them. What ain't there can't
break.
Why do you have a car then?
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