• OT: Henry Kissinger on Ukraine

    From John Doe@21:1/5 to All on Thu Mar 10 19:06:35 2022
    https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/henry-kissinger-to-settle-the-ukraine-crisis-start-at-the-end/2014/03/05/46dad868-a496-11e3-8466-d34c451760b9_story.html

    Far too often, the Ukrainian issue is posed as a showdown: whether
    Ukraine joins the East or the West. But if Ukraine is to survive and
    thrive, it must not be either sides outpost against the other it
    should function as a bridge between them.

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  • From bitrex@21:1/5 to John Doe on Thu Mar 10 15:11:26 2022
    On 3/10/2022 2:06 PM, John Doe wrote:
    https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/henry-kissinger-to-settle-the-ukraine-crisis-start-at-the-end/2014/03/05/46dad868-a496-11e3-8466-d34c451760b9_story.html

    Far too often, the Ukrainian issue is posed as a showdown: whether
    Ukraine joins the East or the West. But if Ukraine is to survive and
    thrive, it must not be either side’s outpost against the other – it
    should function as a bridge between them.

    Holy shit all these antique ghouls must've made a pact with the Devil to
    live forever.

    The world would be a much better place if it stopped taking the opinions
    of has-been pale-skins like Putin, Trump, Biden, Kissenger, et al with a combined age of 9000 years old seriously.

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  • From John Doe@21:1/5 to All on Thu Mar 10 20:40:03 2022
    https://www.paul.senate.gov/courier-journal-op-ed-sen-rand-paul-heres-how-we-prevent-war-ukraine

    The neocons are trying to fool people that NATO entrance would lead to deterrence and peace, when in fact it is a recipe for war and disaster.

    Jan 28, 2022






    I wrote:

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/henry-kissinger-to-settle-the-ukraine-crisis-start-at-the-end/2014/03/05/46dad868-a496-11e3-8466-d34c451760b9_story.html

    Far too often, the Ukrainian issue is posed as a showdown: whether
    Ukraine joins the East or the West. But if Ukraine is to survive and
    thrive, it must not be either side's outpost against the other - it
    should function as a bridge between them.




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  • From whit3rd@21:1/5 to John Doe on Thu Mar 10 13:15:07 2022
    On Thursday, March 10, 2022 at 11:06:48 AM UTC-8, John Doe wrote:
    https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/henry-kissinger-to-settle-the-ukraine-crisis-start-at-the-end/2014/03/05/46dad868-a496-11e3-8466-d34c451760b9_story.html

    Oddly, that's a perceptive article. Alas, it ignores the fact that Ukraine is a
    democracy, and Putin's Russia is so corrupted by (among other things) Putin stealing elections and supressing the press that a kleptocracy run by a dictator is now invading, trying to seize more political power at gunpoint.

    Rule-from-Ukraine is better than rule-from-Moscow, and the article doesn't say otherwise.
    NATO membership certainly has a better future than capitulation to Tsar Vladimir.

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  • From John Doe@21:1/5 to whit3rd@gmail.com on Fri Mar 11 13:27:36 2022
    whit3rd <whit3rd@gmail.com> wrote:

    John Doe wrote:

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/henry-kissinger-to-settle-the-ukraine-crisis-start-at-the-end/2014/03/05/46dad868-a496-11e3-8466-d34c451760b9_story.html

    Oddly, that's a perceptive article. Alas, it ignores the fact that
    Ukraine is a democracy, and Putin's Russia is so corrupted by (among
    other things) Putin stealing elections and supressing the press that a kleptocracy run by a dictator is now invading, trying to seize more political power at gunpoint.

    Congratulations, it's an opinion!

    Difficult to believe how many clueless people are rooting for death
    and destruction, praying for World War III.

    Millions being displaced and killed so Zelensky can keep his job.

    It's like the Black Night in Monty Python and the Holy Grail (1975).

    https://youtu.be/ZmInkxbvlCs?t=50 (two minutes, contains fake gore)

    Ukraine is the Black Night. Zelensky is its brain. Ukrainians are the
    Black Knight's lost body parts...

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  • From Anthony William Sloman@21:1/5 to John Doe on Fri Mar 11 06:32:55 2022
    On Saturday, March 12, 2022 at 12:27:49 AM UTC+11, John Doe wrote:
    whit3rd <whi...@gmail.com> wrote:

    John Doe wrote:

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/henry-kissinger-to-settle-the-ukraine-crisis-start-at-the-end/2014/03/05/46dad868-a496-11e3-8466-d34c451760b9_story.html

    Oddly, that's a perceptive article. Alas, it ignores the fact that
    Ukraine is a democracy, and Putin's Russia is so corrupted by (among
    other things) Putin stealing elections and supressing the press that a kleptocracy run by a dictator is now invading, trying to seize more political power at gunpoint.
    Congratulations, it's an opinion!

    Difficult to believe how many clueless people are rooting for death
    and destruction, praying for World War III.

    None? John Doe is clueless enough to imagine otherwise.

    Millions being displaced and killed so Zelensky can keep his job.

    How so? Zelensky didn't initiate the invasion of the Ukraine. He didn't do what Trump asked him to and he hasn't done whatever it is that Putin wants him to do, but I don't think that "keeping his job" came into it.

    It's like the Black Night in Monty Python and the Holy Grail (1975).

    Not in the least. The Ukrainians still seem to be capable of effective defense. The Russians have done a lot of damage, but they haven't got all that far.

    Ukraine is the Black Night. Zelensky is its brain. Ukrainians are the Black Knight's lost body parts...

    So where do the long Russian tank columns that get their leading tanks blown to shred fit into this far-fetched analogy.

    The US satellite images have shown quite a few of these long columns, which don't actually seem to get anywhere.

    --
    Bill Sloman, Sydney

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  • From Anthony William Sloman@21:1/5 to John Doe on Fri Mar 11 07:11:18 2022
    On Saturday, March 12, 2022 at 1:56:08 AM UTC+11, John Doe wrote:
    Bill is an America bashing Australian.

    Actually, John Doe has got this wrong. I am Australian, but I don't bash Americans because they are American.

    I criticise stupid people when they post misleading nonsense. Some of the worst offenders here are American. John Doe and Flyguy do come in for a lot of justified criticism. John Larkin gets some from time to time. He isn't actually stupid, but he posts
    ignorant nonsense a lot too often.

    I'm certainly frequently rude about Cursitor Doom's idiocies, even though he claims to of English origin, and I've been nasty about Skybuck, who is Dutch.

    John Doe should think this one out again, if he ever works out how to think in any useful way, which probably won't happen any time soon.

    --
    Bill Sloman, Sydney

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  • From John Doe@21:1/5 to All on Fri Mar 11 14:55:58 2022
    Bozo is an America bashing Australian.


    Bozo Bill Sloman is an attention-craving chronic liar who cannot be
    reasoned with...

    "the Mueller investigation was about Trump only because Trump made it so"
    (Bozo paraphrased)

    "the concepts "male" and "female" are essentially social constructions"
    (Bill Sloman)

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  • From John Doe@21:1/5 to Ed Lee on Fri Mar 11 17:53:54 2022
    Zelensky is doing a bad job of "protecting his home" considering the
    fact millions of Ukrainians are being displaced and killed.

    Zelensky is flapping his lips while Ukraine is being destroyed.

    Advising the "victim" on how to stop the slaughter of its children is
    hardly "blaming the victim".

    Encouraging the "victim" to continue acting in a way that gets more of its children slaughtered is bloody evil.

    Too many people closing their eyes to reality, cheering death and
    destruction, and praying for World War III, just because they hate
    Russia...



    Ed Lee <edward.ming.lee@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Friday, March 11, 2022 at 5:27:49 AM UTC-8, John Doe wrote:
    whit3rd <whi...@gmail.com> wrote:

    John Doe wrote:

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/henry-kissinger-to-settle-the-ukraine-crisis-start-at-the-end/2014/03/05/46dad868-a496-11e3-8466-d34c451760b9_story.html

    Oddly, that's a perceptive article. Alas, it ignores the fact that
    Ukraine is a democracy, and Putin's Russia is so corrupted by (among
    other things) Putin stealing elections and supressing the press that a
    kleptocracy run by a dictator is now invading, trying to seize more
    political power at gunpoint.

    Congratulations, it's an opinion!

    Difficult to believe how many clueless people are rooting for death
    and destruction, praying for World War III.

    Yes, i am rooting for death and destruction of the Z army. Because that's the only way to end this Putin War.

    6,000 death, 15,000 wounded
    20 jets, 30 copters, 200 tanks, 100 APCs destroyed.

    and Ukraine has 1,200 javelins, 2,000 stingers, 17,000 small missiles waiting.

    Millions being displaced and killed so Zelensky can keep his job.

    He is just protecting his home, family and friends. Why is that bad? It's like blaming the victim for home invasion.


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  • From Ed Lee@21:1/5 to John Doe on Fri Mar 11 09:33:45 2022
    On Friday, March 11, 2022 at 5:27:49 AM UTC-8, John Doe wrote:
    whit3rd <whi...@gmail.com> wrote:

    John Doe wrote:

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/henry-kissinger-to-settle-the-ukraine-crisis-start-at-the-end/2014/03/05/46dad868-a496-11e3-8466-d34c451760b9_story.html

    Oddly, that's a perceptive article. Alas, it ignores the fact that
    Ukraine is a democracy, and Putin's Russia is so corrupted by (among
    other things) Putin stealing elections and supressing the press that a kleptocracy run by a dictator is now invading, trying to seize more political power at gunpoint.
    Congratulations, it's an opinion!

    Difficult to believe how many clueless people are rooting for death
    and destruction, praying for World War III.

    Yes, i am rooting for death and destruction of the Z army. Because that's the only way to end this Putin War.

    6,000 death, 15,000 wounded
    20 jets, 30 copters, 200 tanks, 100 APCs destroyed.

    and Ukraine has 1,200 javelins, 2,000 stingers, 17,000 small missiles waiting.

    Millions being displaced and killed so Zelensky can keep his job.

    He is just protecting his home, family and friends. Why is that bad? It's like blaming the victim for home invasion.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From Ed Lee@21:1/5 to John Doe on Fri Mar 11 10:05:29 2022
    On Friday, March 11, 2022 at 9:54:05 AM UTC-8, John Doe wrote:
    Zelensky is doing a bad job of "protecting his home" considering the
    fact millions of Ukrainians are being displaced and killed.

    Zelensky is flapping his lips while Ukraine is being destroyed.

    What is the alternative? Give in to Putin's demand? Disband the army. Disclaim Crimea and Eastern Regions. Install Puppy government and stop asking for EU help. Turn Ukraine into Russia satellite. No dissent and/or freedom of speech. For many
    Ukrainian, the condition is worst than death.

    Advising the "victim" on how to stop the slaughter of its children is
    hardly "blaming the victim".

    Encouraging the "victim" to continue acting in a way that gets more of its children slaughtered is bloody evil.

    Too many people closing their eyes to reality, cheering death and destruction, and praying for World War III, just because they hate
    Russia...
    Ed Lee <edward....@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Friday, March 11, 2022 at 5:27:49 AM UTC-8, John Doe wrote:
    whit3rd <whi...@gmail.com> wrote:

    John Doe wrote:

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/henry-kissinger-to-settle-the-ukraine-crisis-start-at-the-end/2014/03/05/46dad868-a496-11e3-8466-d34c451760b9_story.html

    Oddly, that's a perceptive article. Alas, it ignores the fact that
    Ukraine is a democracy, and Putin's Russia is so corrupted by (among
    other things) Putin stealing elections and supressing the press that a >> > kleptocracy run by a dictator is now invading, trying to seize more
    political power at gunpoint.

    Congratulations, it's an opinion!

    Difficult to believe how many clueless people are rooting for death
    and destruction, praying for World War III.

    Yes, i am rooting for death and destruction of the Z army. Because that's the only way to end this Putin War.

    6,000 death, 15,000 wounded
    20 jets, 30 copters, 200 tanks, 100 APCs destroyed.

    and Ukraine has 1,200 javelins, 2,000 stingers, 17,000 small missiles waiting.

    Millions being displaced and killed so Zelensky can keep his job.

    He is just protecting his home, family and friends. Why is that bad? It's like blaming the victim for home invasion.


    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From John Doe@21:1/5 to Ed Lee on Fri Mar 11 18:21:20 2022
    After the major powers developed the ability to destroy the entire planet,
    NATO was obsolete. The only purpose for NATO's existence and its expansion
    is to enable a first strike against Russia, that's why NATO is expanding
    all the way to Russia's borders.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/henry-kissinger-to-settle-the-ukraine-crisis-start-at-the-end/2014/03/05/46dad868-a496-11e3-8466-d34c451760b9_story.html

    Far too often, the Ukrainian issue is posed as a showdown: whether
    Ukraine joins the East or the West. But if Ukraine is to survive and
    thrive, it must not be either side's outpost against the other - it
    should function as a bridge between them.


    Ed Lee <edward.ming.lee@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Friday, March 11, 2022 at 9:54:05 AM UTC-8, John Doe wrote:
    Zelensky is doing a bad job of "protecting his home" considering the
    fact millions of Ukrainians are being displaced and killed.

    Zelensky is flapping his lips while Ukraine is being destroyed.

    What is the alternative? Give in to Putin's demand? Disband the army. Disclaim Crimea and Eastern Regions. Install Puppy government and stop asking for EU help. Turn Ukraine into Russia satellite. No dissent and/or freedom of speech. For many
    Ukrainian, the condition is worst than death.

    Advising the "victim" on how to stop the slaughter of its children is
    hardly "blaming the victim".

    Encouraging the "victim" to continue acting in a way that gets more of it
    s
    children slaughtered is bloody evil.

    Too many people closing their eyes to reality, cheering death and
    destruction, and praying for World War III, just because they hate
    Russia...
    Ed Lee <edward....@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Friday, March 11, 2022 at 5:27:49 AM UTC-8, John Doe wrote:
    whit3rd <whi...@gmail.com> wrote:

    John Doe wrote:

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/henry-kissinger-to-settle-t
    he-ukraine-crisis-start-at-the-end/2014/03/05/46dad868-a496-11e3-8466-d34c451760b9_story.html

    Oddly, that's a perceptive article. Alas, it ignores the fact that

    Ukraine is a democracy, and Putin's Russia is so corrupted by (among

    other things) Putin stealing elections and supressing the press that
    a
    kleptocracy run by a dictator is now invading, trying to seize more

    political power at gunpoint.

    Congratulations, it's an opinion!

    Difficult to believe how many clueless people are rooting for death
    and destruction, praying for World War III.

    Yes, i am rooting for death and destruction of the Z army. Because that
    's the only way to end this Putin War.

    6,000 death, 15,000 wounded
    20 jets, 30 copters, 200 tanks, 100 APCs destroyed.

    and Ukraine has 1,200 javelins, 2,000 stingers, 17,000 small missiles w
    aiting.

    Millions being displaced and killed so Zelensky can keep his job.

    He is just protecting his home, family and friends. Why is that bad? It
    's like blaming the victim for home invasion.


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  • From whit3rd@21:1/5 to John Doe on Fri Mar 11 12:04:38 2022
    On Friday, March 11, 2022 at 5:27:49 AM UTC-8, John Doe wrote:

    Difficult to believe how many clueless people are rooting for death
    and destruction, praying for World War III.

    Zero. Not difficult to believe that.

    Millions being displaced and killed so Zelensky can keep his job.

    Not 'so Putin can expand his empire'? Zelensky is an elected official, his job
    is the will of an entire nation. Putin's machinations aren't national
    will, as he has suppressed independent discourse (and fair votes) for years.

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  • From whit3rd@21:1/5 to John Doe on Fri Mar 11 12:19:26 2022
    On Friday, March 11, 2022 at 10:21:31 AM UTC-8, John Doe wrote:
    After the major powers developed the ability to destroy the entire planet, NATO was obsolete.

    Why would Finland look at the Ukraine situation and believe that?
    Why would Germany recall the airlift and having half their nation in the USSR, and
    believe that?

    The only purpose for NATO's existence and its expansion
    is to enable a first strike against Russia, that's why NATO is expanding
    all the way to Russia's borders.

    Hell, no, it is not. NATO hasn't been a first-attack agressor, is unlikely to become one. Like the Japanese 'reason' to attack Pearl Harbor, this is
    a militaristic fiction. Alas, in the age of mutual assured destruction, acting on militaristic fictions is a world-shattering threat.
    The world would be a better place if Putin were fitted with a muzzle.

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  • From John Doe@21:1/5 to whit3rd@gmail.com on Fri Mar 11 20:26:15 2022
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    Nutter...

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    On Friday, March 11, 2022 at 10:21:31 AM UTC-8, John Doe wrote:
    After the major powers developed the ability to destroy the entire planet, >> NATO was obsolete.

    Why would Finland look at the Ukraine situation and believe that?
    Why would Germany recall the airlift and having half their nation in the USSR, and
    believe that?

    The only purpose for NATO's existence and its expansion
    is to enable a first strike against Russia, that's why NATO is expanding
    all the way to Russia's borders.

    Hell, no, it is not. NATO hasn't been a first-attack agressor, is unlikely to
    become one. Like the Japanese 'reason' to attack Pearl Harbor, this is
    a militaristic fiction. Alas, in the age of mutual assured destruction, acting on militaristic fictions is a world-shattering threat.
    The world would be a better place if Putin were fitted with a muzzle.



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  • From Edward Hernandez@21:1/5 to All on Fri Mar 11 20:39:48 2022
    XPost: free.spam

    The John Doe troll stated the following in message-id <sdhn7c$pkp$4@dont-email.me>:

    The troll doesn't even know how to format a USENET post...

    And the John Doe troll stated the following in message-id <sg3kr7$qt5$1@dont-email.me>:

    The reason Bozo cannot figure out how to get Google to keep from
    breaking its lines in inappropriate places is because Bozo is
    CLUELESS...

    NOBODY likes the John Doe troll's contentless spam.

    And yet, the clueless John Doe troll has continued to post incorrectly formatted USENET articles that are devoid of content (latest example on
    Fri, 11 Mar 2022 20:26:15 -0000 (UTC) in message-id <t0gb97$h9l$1@dont-email.me>).

    This posting is a public service announcement for any google groups
    readers who happen by to point out that the John Doe troll does not even
    follow the rules it uses to troll other posters.

    vQRUT3n1mBHu

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  • From John Doe@21:1/5 to Edward Hernandez on Fri Mar 11 21:02:12 2022
    XPost: free.spam

    Poor liddle Eddie got spanked and just can't get over it.

    Unless Eddie is nym-shifting, it has never posted anything NORMAL
    except when it got a severe spanking...

    https://groups.google.com/g/sci.electronics.repair/c/MesPLcGU4BE

    Is Eddie a nym-shifting troll, or a newbie netcop wannabe?

    See also...
    Peter Weiner <dtgamer99@gmail.com>
    Edward H. <dtgamer99@gmail.com>
    Edward Hernandez <dtgamer99@gmail.com>

    Eddie is an example for all newbies. Don't get spanked!

    Spanked Eddie...

    --
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    The John Doe troll stated the following in message-id <sdhn7c$pkp$4@dont-email.me>:

    The troll doesn't even know how to format a USENET post...

    And the John Doe troll stated the following in message-id <sg3kr7$qt5$1@dont-email.me>:

    The reason Bozo cannot figure out how to get Google to keep from
    breaking its lines in inappropriate places is because Bozo is
    CLUELESS...

    NOBODY likes the John Doe troll's contentless spam.

    And yet, the clueless John Doe troll has continued to post incorrectly formatted USENET articles that are devoid of content (latest example on
    Fri, 11 Mar 2022 20:26:15 -0000 (UTC) in message-id <t0gb97$h9l$1@dont-email.me>).

    This posting is a public service announcement for any google groups
    readers who happen by to point out that the John Doe troll does not even follow the rules it uses to troll other posters.

    vQRUT3n1mBHu




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  • From John Doe@21:1/5 to whit3rd@gmail.com on Fri Mar 11 21:01:11 2022
    "Far too often, the Ukrainian issue is posed as a showdown: whether
    Ukraine joins the East or the West. But if Ukraine is to survive and
    thrive, it must not be either side's outpost against the other - it should function as a bridge between them." (Henry Kissinger, 2014)

    "The neocons are trying to fool people that NATO entrance for Ukraine
    would lead to deterrence and peace, when in fact it is a recipe for war
    and disaster." (Rand Paul, January 28, 2022)

    Then, shortly before the invasion, Zelensky was demanding NATO admittance. Apparently Kamala Harris made a careless statement of approval too, but I haven't been able to find a record of that. Apparently the same happened
    with Georgia.

    It's no secret. Many Americans and others have warned about it. NATO has
    been expanding towards Russia's border since the Cold War supposedly
    ended. It's naked aggression. They want a first strike capability. There
    is no other reason considering the fact all the major powers can destroy
    the whole freaking Earth.

    The idea Zelensky is just a good guy trying to help his people is
    laughable. It's called ACTING. It ignores the FACTS on the ground. An incredible amount of yada yada yada going on while millions of Ukrainians
    are being displaced and killed. But who cares, after you realize the sad
    truth, after more of they're homes are destroyed and more of them are
    dead, it will be all Russia's fault.

    The current BIG crop of warmongers are like the guy being held back from a fight, flailing as if set free he would pummel his adversary (and in this situation kill everybody else). Must be why the warmongers aren't calling
    the shots.



    whit3rd <whit3rd@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Friday, March 11, 2022 at 5:27:49 AM UTC-8, John Doe wrote:

    Difficult to believe how many clueless people are rooting for death
    and destruction, praying for World War III.

    Zero. Not difficult to believe that.

    Millions being displaced and killed so Zelensky can keep his job.

    Not 'so Putin can expand his empire'? Zelensky is an elected official, his job
    is the will of an entire nation. Putin's machinations aren't national
    will, as he has suppressed independent discourse (and fair votes) for years.

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  • From John Doe@21:1/5 to All on Fri Mar 11 21:05:46 2022
    Or maybe the warmongers are really paper tigers, like so many keyboard warriors.

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  • From Edward Hernandez@21:1/5 to All on Fri Mar 11 21:18:13 2022
    XPost: free.spam

    The John Doe troll stated the following in message-id <sdhn7c$pkp$4@dont-email.me>:

    The troll doesn't even know how to format a USENET post...

    And the John Doe troll stated the following in message-id <sg3kr7$qt5$1@dont-email.me>:

    The reason Bozo cannot figure out how to get Google to keep from
    breaking its lines in inappropriate places is because Bozo is
    CLUELESS...

    NOBODY likes the John Doe troll's contentless spam.

    And yet, the clueless John Doe troll has continued to post incorrectly formatted USENET articles that are devoid of content (latest example on
    Fri, 11 Mar 2022 21:02:12 -0000 (UTC) in message-id <t0gdck$ms4$2@dont-email.me>).

    Further, Troll Doe stated the following in message-id <svsh05$lbh$5@dont-email.me> posted Fri, 4 Mar 2022 08:01:09 -0000
    (UTC):

    Compared to other regulars, Bozo contributes practically nothing
    except insults to this group.

    Yet, since Wed, 5 Jan 2022 04:10:38 -0000 (UTC) Troll Doe's post ratio
    to USENET has been 52.1% of its posts contributing "nothing except
    insults" to USENET.

    This posting is a public service announcement for any google groups
    readers who happen by to point out that the John Doe troll does not even
    follow the rules it uses to troll other posters.

    a1rtypnF6oVG

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  • From Anthony William Sloman@21:1/5 to John Doe on Fri Mar 11 16:56:14 2022
    On Saturday, March 12, 2022 at 8:01:22 AM UTC+11, John Doe wrote:
    whit3rd <whi...@gmail.com> wrote:
    On Friday, March 11, 2022 at 5:27:49 AM UTC-8, John Doe wrote:

    Difficult to believe how many clueless people are rooting for death
    and destruction, praying for World War III.

    Zero. Not difficult to believe that.

    Millions being displaced and killed so Zelensky can keep his job.

    Not 'so Putin can expand his empire'? Zelensky is an elected official, his job
    is the will of an entire nation. Putin's machinations aren't national will, as he has suppressed independent discourse (and fair votes) for years.

    "Far too often, the Ukrainian issue is posed as a showdown: whether
    Ukraine joins the East or the West. But if Ukraine is to survive and
    thrive, it must not be either side's outpost against the other - it should function as a bridge between them." (Henry Kissinger, 2014)

    "The neocons are trying to fool people that NATO entrance for Ukraine
    would lead to deterrence and peace, when in fact it is a recipe for war
    and disaster." (Rand Paul, January 28, 2022)

    Then, shortly before the invasion, Zelensky was demanding NATO admittance. Apparently Kamala Harris made a careless statement of approval too, but I haven't been able to find a record of that. Apparently the same happened with Georgia.

    It's no secret. Many Americans and others have warned about it. NATO has been expanding towards Russia's border since the Cold War supposedly
    ended.

    It's more that the former satellites want protection against Russian expansionism.

    It's naked aggression.

    Or so John Doe wants to believe.

    They want a first strike capability.

    That's what ICBM's offer. Before there were submarine launched ICBMs it was useful to put intermediate range ballistic missiles in countries closer to Russia, but that stopped being worth the trouble decades ago. Quite why John Doe has got "first strike
    capability" into his head is a mystery.

    There is no other reason considering the fact all the major powers can destroy the whole freaking Earth.

    Half-witted nonsense.

    The idea Zelensky is just a good guy trying to help his people is laughable.

    John Doe wants to laugh at it, for half-witted reasons of his own. He's nuts.

    It's called ACTING. It ignores the FACTS on the ground.

    Not that John Doe can name even one. He can come up with deluded assertions, and does it ore or less non-stop.

    An incredible amount of yada yada yada going on while millions of Ukrainians are being displaced and killed. But who cares, after you realize the sad truth, after more of they're homes are destroyed and more of them are
    dead, it will be all Russia's fault.

    It's hard to blame anybody else. It is Russian bombs and shells that are destroying the houses and killing the people.

    The current BIG crop of warmongers are like the guy being held back from a fight, flailing as if set free he would pummel his adversary (and in this situation kill everybody else).

    Not that John Doe has identified any of the BIG crop of war-mongers. Putin presumably qualifies - he's definitely waging war on the Ukraine. Everybody else would like him to stop doing that.

    Must be why the warmongers aren't calling the shots.

    More likely because they resemble cannibal leftists, in existing only in John Doe's deluded imagination.

    --
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  • From whit3rd@21:1/5 to John Doe on Fri Mar 11 18:37:59 2022
    On Friday, March 11, 2022 at 1:01:22 PM UTC-8, John Doe wrote:

    Then, shortly before the invasion, Zelensky was demanding NATO admittance. Apparently Kamala Harris made a careless statement of approval too, but I haven't been able to find a record of that. Apparently the same happened
    with Georgia.

    It's no secret. Many Americans and others have warned about it. NATO has
    been expanding towards Russia's border since the Cold War supposedly
    ended. It's naked aggression. They want a first strike capability.

    False. Ukraine's Lviv (formerly Lvov, Poland) was first invaded by Stalin, who
    later turned that city (and its Jews) over to Germany. Another, recent invasion
    from Russia was in Crimea. This is a third "first strike" from Russia.

    NATO can, and has, kept borders intact regardless of Russian agressions.
    NATO has not conquered any territory, all NATO nations are self-governing.
    I suspect many inhabitants of Ukraine prefer to be self-governed, and
    whether they speak Russian or not, do not expect good rule from military governors and/or Moscow. NATO as an alternative to Moscow or unelected puppets
    is thus an attractive prospect.

    Ukraine's history with Russian rulers includes the 'collectivation of agriculture' episode
    which claimed millions of lives. How many, history may never know, but... Ukraine
    remembers.

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  • From John Doe@21:1/5 to whit3rd@gmail.com on Sat Mar 12 03:55:29 2022
    XPost: free.spam

    NATO is a MILITARY organization.

    But it's true, not all countries have been invaded by NATO, and the
    leadership of some of those have decided to join NATO. But the idea NATO membership is all "the will of the people" is hilarious.

    https://youtu.be/UXA--dj2-CY?t=16

    "If the prosecutor is not fired, you're not getting the money... Well son of a bitch, he got fired!"

    But of course (with a straight face), Joe wanted the prosecutor fired
    because he WASN'T investigating the company his son was working for...

    That's sillier than the "oceanfront property in Arizona" stuff.


    --
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    On Friday, March 11, 2022 at 1:01:22 PM UTC-8, John Doe wrote:

    Then, shortly before the invasion, Zelensky was demanding NATO admittance. >> Apparently Kamala Harris made a careless statement of approval too, but I
    haven't been able to find a record of that. Apparently the same happened
    with Georgia.

    It's no secret. Many Americans and others have warned about it. NATO has
    been expanding towards Russia's border since the Cold War supposedly
    ended. It's naked aggression. They want a first strike capability.

    False. Ukraine's Lviv (formerly Lvov, Poland) was first invaded by Stalin, who
    later turned that city (and its Jews) over to Germany. Another, recent invasion
    from Russia was in Crimea. This is a third "first strike" from Russia.

    NATO can, and has, kept borders intact regardless of Russian agressions.
    NATO has not conquered any territory, all NATO nations are self-governing.
    I suspect many inhabitants of Ukraine prefer to be self-governed, and
    whether they speak Russian or not, do not expect good rule from military governors and/or Moscow. NATO as an alternative to Moscow or unelected puppets
    is thus an attractive prospect.

    Ukraine's history with Russian rulers includes the 'collectivation of agriculture' episode
    which claimed millions of lives. How many, history may never know, but... Ukraine
    remembers.



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  • From Edward Hernandez@21:1/5 to All on Sat Mar 12 04:02:02 2022
    XPost: free.spam

    The John Doe troll stated the following in message-id <sdhn7c$pkp$4@dont-email.me>:

    The troll doesn't even know how to format a USENET post...

    And the John Doe troll stated the following in message-id <sg3kr7$qt5$1@dont-email.me>:

    The reason Bozo cannot figure out how to get Google to keep from
    breaking its lines in inappropriate places is because Bozo is
    CLUELESS...

    And yet, the clueless John Doe troll has itself posted yet another
    incorrectly formatted USENET posting on Sat, 12 Mar 2022 03:55:29 -0000
    (UTC) in message-id <t0h5jh$18f$2@dont-email.me>.

    This posting is a public service announcement for any google groups
    readers who happen by to point out that the John Doe troll does not even
    follow it's own rules that it uses to troll other posters.

    FFGwGawbdZYY

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  • From Edward Hernandez@21:1/5 to All on Sat Mar 12 04:12:27 2022
    XPost: free.spam

    The John Doe troll stated the following in message-id <sdhn7c$pkp$4@dont-email.me>:

    The troll doesn't even know how to format a USENET post...

    And the John Doe troll stated the following in message-id <sg3kr7$qt5$1@dont-email.me>:

    The reason Bozo cannot figure out how to get Google to keep from
    breaking its lines in inappropriate places is because Bozo is
    CLUELESS...

    And yet, the clueless John Doe troll has itself posted yet another
    incorrectly formatted USENET posting on Sat, 12 Mar 2022 04:11:57 -0000
    (UTC) in message-id <t0h6ic$18f$6@dont-email.me>.

    This posting is a public service announcement for any google groups
    readers who happen by to point out that the John Doe troll does not even
    follow it's own rules that it uses to troll other posters.

    EFEYYqxIiRDe

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  • From John Doe@21:1/5 to Edward Hernandez on Sat Mar 12 04:11:57 2022
    XPost: free.spam

    Poor liddle Eddie got spanked and just can't get over it.

    Unless Eddie is nym-shifting, it has never posted anything NORMAL
    except when it got a severe spanking...

    https://groups.google.com/g/sci.electronics.repair/c/MesPLcGU4BE

    Is Eddie a nym-shifting troll, or a newbie netcop wannabe?

    See also...
    Peter Weiner <dtgamer99@gmail.com>
    Edward H. <dtgamer99@gmail.com>
    Edward Hernandez <dtgamer99@gmail.com>

    Eddie is an example for all newbies. Don't get spanked!

    Spanked Eddie...

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    The John Doe troll stated the following in message-id <sdhn7c$pkp$4@dont-email.me>:

    The troll doesn't even know how to format a USENET post...

    And the John Doe troll stated the following in message-id <sg3kr7$qt5$1@dont-email.me>:

    The reason Bozo cannot figure out how to get Google to keep from
    breaking its lines in inappropriate places is because Bozo is
    CLUELESS...

    And yet, the clueless John Doe troll has itself posted yet another incorrectly formatted USENET posting on Sat, 12 Mar 2022 03:55:29 -0000
    (UTC) in message-id <t0h5jh$18f$2@dont-email.me>.

    This posting is a public service announcement for any google groups
    readers who happen by to point out that the John Doe troll does not even follow it's own rules that it uses to troll other posters.

    FFGwGawbdZYY




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  • From John Doe@21:1/5 to whit3rd@gmail.com on Sat Mar 12 05:07:43 2022
    Such a silly troll...


    whit3rd <whit3rd@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Friday, March 11, 2022 at 7:55:39 PM UTC-8, John Doe wrote:
    NATO is a MILITARY organization.

    Yeah, NATO is military, BUT not agressive; never has a land become a NATO
    state by conquest.
    Russia, after the Crimea insurrection/invasion, handed out batches of
    Russian
    passports to their new citizens.

    But it's true, not all countries have been invaded by NATO, and the
    leadership of some of those have decided to join NATO. But the idea NATO
    membership is all "the will of the people" is hilarious.

    https://youtu.be/UXA--dj2-CY?t=16

    "If the prosecutor is not fired, you're not getting the money... Well son
    of a bitch, he got fired!"

    So what? The prosecutor was arguably corrupt. Zelensky arguably isn't,
    and wasn't.
    Despite the US membership in NATO, that wasn't a NATO action in any case. Contrast the 'influence' exerted (2004) when Viktor Yushchenko got a big
    dose of dioxin
    and nearly died. Some say that sounds like a KGB trick.


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  • From whit3rd@21:1/5 to John Doe on Fri Mar 11 20:55:10 2022
    On Friday, March 11, 2022 at 7:55:39 PM UTC-8, John Doe wrote:
    NATO is a MILITARY organization.

    Yeah, NATO is military, BUT not agressive; never has a land become a NATO state by conquest.
    Russia, after the Crimea insurrection/invasion, handed out batches of Russian passports to their new citizens.

    But it's true, not all countries have been invaded by NATO, and the leadership of some of those have decided to join NATO. But the idea NATO membership is all "the will of the people" is hilarious.

    https://youtu.be/UXA--dj2-CY?t=16

    "If the prosecutor is not fired, you're not getting the money... Well son of a bitch, he got fired!"

    So what? The prosecutor was arguably corrupt. Zelensky arguably isn't, and wasn't.
    Despite the US membership in NATO, that wasn't a NATO action in any case. Contrast the 'influence' exerted (2004) when Viktor Yushchenko got a big dose of dioxin
    and nearly died. Some say that sounds like a KGB trick.

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  • From Anthony William Sloman@21:1/5 to John Doe on Fri Mar 11 23:59:28 2022
    On Saturday, March 12, 2022 at 4:07:52 PM UTC+11, John Doe wrote:
    whit3rd <whi...@gmail.com> wrote:
    On Friday, March 11, 2022 at 7:55:39 PM UTC-8, John Doe wrote:
    NATO is a MILITARY organization.

    Yeah, NATO is military, BUT not agressive; never has a land become a NATO
    state by conquest.
    Russia, after the Crimea insurrection/invasion, handed out batches of
    Russian
    passports to their new citizens.

    But it's true, not all countries have been invaded by NATO, and the
    leadership of some of those have decided to join NATO. But the idea NATO >> membership is all "the will of the people" is hilarious.

    https://youtu.be/UXA--dj2-CY?t=16

    "If the prosecutor is not fired, you're not getting the money... Well son of a bitch, he got fired!"

    So what? The prosecutor was arguably corrupt. Zelensky arguably isn't, and wasn't.
    Despite the US membership in NATO, that wasn't a NATO action in any case. Contrast the 'influence' exerted (2004) when Viktor Yushchenko got a big dose of dioxin and nearly died. Some say that sounds like a KGB trick.

    Such a silly troll...

    John Doe - as our resident silly troll - should be an expert on the subject, but as he clearly doesn't realise that he is a remarkably silly troll, his expertise in recognising troll-like behavior clearly isn't up to much. He's probably recycling abuse
    originally directed at him.

    --
    Bill Sloman, Sydney

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  • From John Doe@21:1/5 to All on Sat Mar 12 09:51:27 2022
    Bozo is a self-destructive cannibal leftist America-bashing troll from Australia.


    Bozo Bill Sloman is an attention-craving chronic liar who cannot be
    reasoned with...

    "the Mueller investigation was about Trump only because Trump made it so"
    (Bozo paraphrased)

    "the concepts "male" and "female" are essentially social constructions"
    (Bill Sloman)

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  • From John Doe@21:1/5 to John Doe on Sat Mar 12 10:03:01 2022
    https://www.washingtonpost.com/archive/opinions/1994/12/19/expand-nato-now/f1f0b4ed-56ee-4e5b-84ba-ae19a07a9997/

    Henry Kissinger's ideas of NATO's expansion was nothing like how it turned
    out.

    Such a treaty would provide that no foreign troops be stationed on the territory of new NATO members, on the model of the arrangement for East Germany (or, better, no closer than a fixed distance from the eastern
    border of Poland).

    There are already NATO troops in three out of four of those Visigrad
    countries Kissinger wanted them to stay out of. There are NATO troops in Germany. And now Poland is dying to send fighter jets to Ukraine.

    The problem is NATO expansion, obviously.




    John Doe <always.look@message.header> wrote:

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/henry-kissinger-to-settle-the-ukraine-crisis-start-at-the-end/2014/03/05/46dad868-a496-11e3-8466-d34c451760b9_story.html

    Far too often, the Ukrainian issue is posed as a showdown: whether
    Ukraine joins the East or the West. But if Ukraine is to survive and
    thrive, it must not be either side's outpost against the other - it
    should function as a bridge between them.




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  • From Anthony William Sloman@21:1/5 to John Doe on Sat Mar 12 02:09:42 2022
    On Saturday, March 12, 2022 at 8:51:38 PM UTC+11, John Doe wrote:
    Bill is a <snip> America-bashing troll from Australia.

    John Doe is a deluded idiot who claims to be from America. Anonymous trolls can claim any nationality they like.

    I'm not actually a troll, while John Doe clearly is, and I don't go in for America-bashing. What I actually go in for is idiot bashing - John Doe claims to be an American idiot, and flatters himself with the idea that I'm going after him because he might
    be an American, rather than the idiot he he clearly is.

    <Ive snipped thre stof his drivel>

    -
    Bill Sloman, Sydney

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  • From Anthony William Sloman@21:1/5 to John Doe on Sat Mar 12 02:16:51 2022
    On Saturday, March 12, 2022 at 9:03:12 PM UTC+11, John Doe wrote:
    John Doe <alway...@message.header> wrote:

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/henry-kissinger-to-settle-the-ukraine-crisis-start-at-the-end/2014/03/05/46dad868-a496-11e3-8466-d34c451760b9_story.html

    Far too often, the Ukrainian issue is posed as a showdown: whether
    Ukraine joins the East or the West. But if Ukraine is to survive and
    thrive, it must not be either side's outpost against the other - it
    should function as a bridge between them. https://www.washingtonpost.com/archive/opinions/1994/12/19/expand-nato-now/f1f0b4ed-56ee-4e5b-84ba-ae19a07a9997/

    Henry Kissinger's ideas of NATO's expansion was nothing like how it turned out.

    A lot has happened since 1994.

    Such a treaty would provide that no foreign troops be stationed on the territory of new NATO members, on the model of the arrangement for East Germany (or, better, no closer than a fixed distance from the eastern border of Poland).

    There are already NATO troops in three out of four of those Visigrad countries Kissinger wanted them to stay out of. There are NATO troops in Germany. And now Poland is dying to send fighter jets to Ukraine.

    The problem is NATO expansion, obviously.

    John Doe seems to ignore the possibility that Putin's territorial ambitions might be seen as a problem by his neighbors who were formerly satellite states of the USSR.

    They don't look back all that fondly on that period.

    --
    Bill Sloman, Sydney

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  • From John Doe@21:1/5 to All on Sat Mar 12 15:50:59 2022
    Bozo is the most frequent troll in this group.


    Bozo Bill Sloman is an attention-craving chronic liar who cannot be
    reasoned with...

    "the Mueller investigation was about Trump only because Trump made it so"
    (Bozo paraphrased)

    "the concepts "male" and "female" are essentially social constructions"
    (Bill Sloman)

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