• Trump was right - AGAIN!

    From Flyguy@21:1/5 to All on Sat Mar 5 23:02:19 2022
    NATO countries must invest in their own SELF-DEFENSE, not depend on the "kindness" of Russia:
    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/germanys-dramatic-reversal-on-defense-explained/ar-AAUEagk?li=BBnb7Kz
    This was the typical libtard response to Trump's demands that felt self-defense was an outdated idea:
    https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2018/07/trump-nato-defense-four-percent/564911/

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  • From John Doe@21:1/5 to Flyguy on Sun Mar 6 07:05:02 2022
    Flyguy wrote:

    NATO countries must invest in their own SELF-DEFENSE, not depend on the "kindness" of Russia:

    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/germanys-dramatic-reversal-on-defense-explained/ar-AAUEagk?li=BBnb7Kz

    This was the typical libtard response to Trump's demands that felt self-defense was an outdated idea:

    https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2018/07/trump-nato-defense-four-percent/564911/

    Maybe we can get NATO to defend our southern border.

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  • From Flyguy@21:1/5 to John Doe on Sat Mar 5 23:32:37 2022
    On Saturday, March 5, 2022 at 11:05:13 PM UTC-8, John Doe wrote:
    Flyguy wrote:

    NATO countries must invest in their own SELF-DEFENSE, not depend on the "kindness" of Russia:

    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/germanys-dramatic-reversal-on-defense-explained/ar-AAUEagk?li=BBnb7Kz

    This was the typical libtard response to Trump's demands that felt self-defense was an outdated idea:

    https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2018/07/trump-nato-defense-four-percent/564911/
    Maybe we can get NATO to defend our southern border.

    WHICH southern border, the Antarctic?

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  • From Anthony William Sloman@21:1/5 to Flyguy on Sun Mar 6 02:42:12 2022
    On Sunday, March 6, 2022 at 6:32:44 PM UTC+11, Flyguy wrote:
    On Saturday, March 5, 2022 at 11:05:13 PM UTC-8, John Doe wrote:
    Flyguy wrote:

    NATO countries must invest in their own SELF-DEFENSE, not depend on the "kindness" of Russia:

    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/germanys-dramatic-reversal-on-defense-explained/ar-AAUEagk?li=BBnb7Kz

    This was the typical libtard response to Trump's demands that felt self-defense was an outdated idea:

    https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2018/07/trump-nato-defense-four-percent/564911/
    Maybe we can get NATO to defend our southern border.

    WHICH southern border, the Antarctic?

    The US hasn't got any territory adjacent to the Antarctic - nobody does. The Antarctic is continent in it's own right.

    The US southern border is with Mexico. Alaska does have a sorthern border with Canada (which is a member of NATO) but nobody seems to feel the need to defend it.

    The US hasn't actually had to defend it's southern border since Pancho Villa retired in 1917. Flyguy might have been taught about that in school and it may be coming back to him as he gets deeper into his second childhood. Trump pretended to see refugees
    at the Mexican border as some kind of attacking force, and made a great deal of fuss about building a wall until he got into office, after which he lost interest.

    --
    Bill Sloman, Sydney

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  • From Anthony William Sloman@21:1/5 to Flyguy on Sun Mar 6 02:28:28 2022
    On Sunday, March 6, 2022 at 6:02:26 PM UTC+11, Flyguy wrote:
    NATO countries must invest in their own SELF-DEFENSE, not depend on the "kindness" of Russia:
    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/germanys-dramatic-reversal-on-defense-explained/ar-AAUEagk?li=BBnb7Kz

    They do spend quite a lot on their own defense forces. They don't have the entrenched military industrial complex that the US has, so they don't spend as high a proportion of their GDP on defense as the US does, and they don't spend it on the baroque
    arsenal that America seems to think it needs (and isn't all that effective in defending stuff). Interestingly the M1 Abrams tanks has Chobam armour (developed in the UK), and a German gun. It's fuel-guzzling gas-turbine engine is American, and nobody
    else has been silly enough to copy that.

    https://www.foreignaffairs.com/reviews/capsule-review/1981-09-01/baroque-arsenal

    Mary Kaldor published the book in 1981, but it hasn't dated.

    This was the typical libtard response to Trump's demands that felt self-defense was an outdated idea:
    https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2018/07/trump-nato-defense-four-percent/564911/

    And Flyguy is too dumb to realise that it was perfectly sensible, which is something Trump can't manage, and is even further out of Flyguy's reach.

    --
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  • From Flyguy@21:1/5 to bill....@ieee.org on Sun Mar 6 21:36:49 2022
    On Sunday, March 6, 2022 at 2:28:37 AM UTC-8, bill....@ieee.org wrote:
    On Sunday, March 6, 2022 at 6:02:26 PM UTC+11, Flyguy wrote:
    NATO countries must invest in their own SELF-DEFENSE, not depend on the "kindness" of Russia:
    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/germanys-dramatic-reversal-on-defense-explained/ar-AAUEagk?li=BBnb7Kz
    They do spend quite a lot on their own defense forces. They don't have the entrenched military industrial complex that the US has, so they don't spend as high a proportion of their GDP on defense as the US does, and they don't spend it on the baroque
    arsenal that America seems to think it needs (and isn't all that effective in defending stuff). Interestingly the M1 Abrams tanks has Chobam armour (developed in the UK), and a German gun. It's fuel-guzzling gas-turbine engine is American, and nobody
    else has been silly enough to copy that.

    https://www.foreignaffairs.com/reviews/capsule-review/1981-09-01/baroque-arsenal

    Mary Kaldor published the book in 1981, but it hasn't dated.
    This was the typical libtard response to Trump's demands that felt self-defense was an outdated idea:
    https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2018/07/trump-nato-defense-four-percent/564911/
    And Flyguy is too dumb to realise that it was perfectly sensible, which is something Trump can't manage, and is even further out of Flyguy's reach.

    --
    SNIPPERMAN, Sydney

    Hey SNIPPERMAN, here is a trivia question for you: how many battle-ready, field-deployable soldiers do ALL of the EU countries COMBINED have?

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  • From whit3rd@21:1/5 to Flyguy on Sun Mar 6 23:12:16 2022
    On Sunday, March 6, 2022 at 9:36:56 PM UTC-8, Flyguy wrote:

    ...here is a trivia question for you: how many battle-ready, field-deployable soldiers do ALL of the EU countries COMBINED have?

    Putin thinks Russia has enough to overrun and occupy Ukraine.
    That's not trivia.

    NATO has enough to deter (for instance) Russia from trying that trick
    on their members. That, too, is not trivia.

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  • From Anthony William Sloman@21:1/5 to Flyguy on Sun Mar 6 23:32:07 2022
    On Monday, March 7, 2022 at 4:36:56 PM UTC+11, Flyguy wrote:
    On Sunday, March 6, 2022 at 2:28:37 AM UTC-8, bill....@ieee.org wrote:
    On Sunday, March 6, 2022 at 6:02:26 PM UTC+11, Flyguy wrote:
    NATO countries must invest in their own SELF-DEFENSE, not depend on the "kindness" of Russia:
    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/germanys-dramatic-reversal-on-defense-explained/ar-AAUEagk?li=BBnb7Kz
    They do spend quite a lot on their own defense forces. They don't have the entrenched military industrial complex that the US has, so they don't spend as high a proportion of their GDP on defense as the US does, and they don't spend it on the baroque
    arsenal that America seems to think it needs (and isn't all that effective in defending stuff). Interestingly the M1 Abrams tanks has Chobam armour (developed in the UK), and a German gun. It's fuel-guzzling gas-turbine engine is American, and nobody
    else has been silly enough to copy that.

    https://www.foreignaffairs.com/reviews/capsule-review/1981-09-01/baroque-arsenal

    Mary Kaldor published the book in 1981, but it hasn't dated.

    This was the typical libtard response to Trump's demands that felt self-defense was an outdated idea:
    https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2018/07/trump-nato-defense-four-percent/564911/

    And Flyguy is too dumb to realise that it was perfectly sensible, which is something Trump can't manage, and is even further out of Flyguy's reach.

    Hey Sloman, here is a trivia question for you: how many battle-ready, field-deployable soldiers do ALL of the EU countries COMBINED have?

    Flyguy thinks that this is a trivial question, which means that some other right-wing lunatic thinks he knows the answer.

    Of course they have to find definitions of "battle-ready" and "field-deployable" which rather depends on the sort of battle you think that they might be fighting, and where you imagine those battles might take place, and Flyguy won't have a clue about
    any of that.

    --
    Bill Sloman, Sydney

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  • From Flyguy@21:1/5 to bill....@ieee.org on Mon Mar 7 20:54:21 2022
    On Sunday, March 6, 2022 at 11:32:15 PM UTC-8, bill....@ieee.org wrote:
    On Monday, March 7, 2022 at 4:36:56 PM UTC+11, Flyguy wrote:
    On Sunday, March 6, 2022 at 2:28:37 AM UTC-8, bill....@ieee.org wrote:
    On Sunday, March 6, 2022 at 6:02:26 PM UTC+11, Flyguy wrote:
    NATO countries must invest in their own SELF-DEFENSE, not depend on the "kindness" of Russia:
    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/germanys-dramatic-reversal-on-defense-explained/ar-AAUEagk?li=BBnb7Kz
    They do spend quite a lot on their own defense forces. They don't have the entrenched military industrial complex that the US has, so they don't spend as high a proportion of their GDP on defense as the US does, and they don't spend it on the
    baroque arsenal that America seems to think it needs (and isn't all that effective in defending stuff). Interestingly the M1 Abrams tanks has Chobam armour (developed in the UK), and a German gun. It's fuel-guzzling gas-turbine engine is American, and
    nobody else has been silly enough to copy that.

    https://www.foreignaffairs.com/reviews/capsule-review/1981-09-01/baroque-arsenal

    Mary Kaldor published the book in 1981, but it hasn't dated.

    This was the typical libtard response to Trump's demands that felt self-defense was an outdated idea:
    https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2018/07/trump-nato-defense-four-percent/564911/

    And Flyguy is too dumb to realise that it was perfectly sensible, which is something Trump can't manage, and is even further out of Flyguy's reach.

    Hey Sloman, here is a trivia question for you: how many battle-ready, field-deployable soldiers do ALL of the EU countries COMBINED have?

    Flyguy thinks that this is a trivial question, which means that some other right-wing lunatic thinks he knows the answer.

    Of course they have to find definitions of "battle-ready" and "field-deployable" which rather depends on the sort of battle you think that they might be fighting, and where you imagine those battles might take place, and Flyguy won't have a clue about
    any of that.

    --
    Bill Sloman, Sydney

    Translation: I have NO FUCKING IDEA!

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  • From Anthony William Sloman@21:1/5 to Flyguy on Mon Mar 7 23:56:13 2022
    On Tuesday, March 8, 2022 at 3:54:30 PM UTC+11, Flyguy wrote:
    On Sunday, March 6, 2022 at 11:32:15 PM UTC-8, bill....@ieee.org wrote:
    On Monday, March 7, 2022 at 4:36:56 PM UTC+11, Flyguy wrote:
    On Sunday, March 6, 2022 at 2:28:37 AM UTC-8, bill....@ieee.org wrote:
    On Sunday, March 6, 2022 at 6:02:26 PM UTC+11, Flyguy wrote:
    NATO countries must invest in their own SELF-DEFENSE, not depend on the "kindness" of Russia:
    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/germanys-dramatic-reversal-on-defense-explained/ar-AAUEagk?li=BBnb7Kz
    They do spend quite a lot on their own defense forces. They don't have the entrenched military industrial complex that the US has, so they don't spend as high a proportion of their GDP on defense as the US does, and they don't spend it on the
    baroque arsenal that America seems to think it needs (and isn't all that effective in defending stuff). Interestingly the M1 Abrams tanks has Chobam armour (developed in the UK), and a German gun. It's fuel-guzzling gas-turbine engine is American, and
    nobody else has been silly enough to copy that.

    https://www.foreignaffairs.com/reviews/capsule-review/1981-09-01/baroque-arsenal

    Mary Kaldor published the book in 1981, but it hasn't dated.

    This was the typical libtard response to Trump's demands that felt self-defense was an outdated idea:
    https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2018/07/trump-nato-defense-four-percent/564911/

    And Flyguy is too dumb to realise that it was perfectly sensible, which is something Trump can't manage, and is even further out of Flyguy's reach.

    Hey Sloman, here is a trivia question for you: how many battle-ready, field-deployable soldiers do ALL of the EU countries COMBINED have?

    Flyguy thinks that this is a trivial question, which means that some other right-wing lunatic thinks he knows the answer.

    Of course they have to find definitions of "battle-ready" and "field-deployable" which rather depends on the sort of battle you think that they might be fighting, and where you imagine those battles might take place, and Flyguy won't have a clue
    about any of that.

    Translation: I have NO FUCKING IDEA!

    Flyguy doesn't have any idea what I'm talking about - it is all much too complicated for him to follow - so he "translates" it into words that he can understand.
    This doesn't have anything to do with what I said - beyond registering the fact that he didn't understand it - so it's more an expression of incomprehension than any kind of translation.

    --
    Bill Sloman, Sydney

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  • From Flyguy@21:1/5 to bill....@ieee.org on Tue Mar 8 07:30:58 2022
    On Monday, March 7, 2022 at 11:56:21 PM UTC-8, bill....@ieee.org wrote:
    On Tuesday, March 8, 2022 at 3:54:30 PM UTC+11, Flyguy wrote:
    On Sunday, March 6, 2022 at 11:32:15 PM UTC-8, bill....@ieee.org wrote:
    On Monday, March 7, 2022 at 4:36:56 PM UTC+11, Flyguy wrote:
    On Sunday, March 6, 2022 at 2:28:37 AM UTC-8, bill....@ieee.org wrote:
    On Sunday, March 6, 2022 at 6:02:26 PM UTC+11, Flyguy wrote:
    NATO countries must invest in their own SELF-DEFENSE, not depend on the "kindness" of Russia:
    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/germanys-dramatic-reversal-on-defense-explained/ar-AAUEagk?li=BBnb7Kz
    They do spend quite a lot on their own defense forces. They don't have the entrenched military industrial complex that the US has, so they don't spend as high a proportion of their GDP on defense as the US does, and they don't spend it on the
    baroque arsenal that America seems to think it needs (and isn't all that effective in defending stuff). Interestingly the M1 Abrams tanks has Chobam armour (developed in the UK), and a German gun. It's fuel-guzzling gas-turbine engine is American, and
    nobody else has been silly enough to copy that.

    https://www.foreignaffairs.com/reviews/capsule-review/1981-09-01/baroque-arsenal

    Mary Kaldor published the book in 1981, but it hasn't dated.

    This was the typical libtard response to Trump's demands that felt self-defense was an outdated idea:
    https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2018/07/trump-nato-defense-four-percent/564911/

    And Flyguy is too dumb to realise that it was perfectly sensible, which is something Trump can't manage, and is even further out of Flyguy's reach.

    Hey Sloman, here is a trivia question for you: how many battle-ready, field-deployable soldiers do ALL of the EU countries COMBINED have?

    Flyguy thinks that this is a trivial question, which means that some other right-wing lunatic thinks he knows the answer.

    Of course they have to find definitions of "battle-ready" and "field-deployable" which rather depends on the sort of battle you think that they might be fighting, and where you imagine those battles might take place, and Flyguy won't have a clue
    about any of that.

    Translation: I have NO FUCKING IDEA!
    Flyguy doesn't have any idea what I'm talking about - it is all much too complicated for him to follow - so he "translates" it into words that he can understand.
    This doesn't have anything to do with what I said - beyond registering the fact that he didn't understand it - so it's more an expression of incomprehension than any kind of translation.

    --


    Oh, SNIPPERMAN, who doesn't know is YOU! You can't answer the question because you DON'T KNOW the answer!! "Battle-ready" and "field-deployable" are very straightforward concepts: they are soldiers ready to go into battle NOW. Thank God YOU aren't a
    general - they HAVE to know the answer!!!

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  • From jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com@21:1/5 to soar2morrow@yahoo.com on Tue Mar 8 08:52:33 2022
    On Sat, 5 Mar 2022 23:02:19 -0800 (PST), Flyguy
    <soar2morrow@yahoo.com> wrote:

    NATO countries must invest in their own SELF-DEFENSE, not depend on the "kindness" of Russia:
    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/germanys-dramatic-reversal-on-defense-explained/ar-AAUEagk?li=BBnb7Kz
    This was the typical libtard response to Trump's demands that felt self-defense was an outdated idea:
    https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2018/07/trump-nato-defense-four-percent/564911/

    Yes, he had that annoying habit of being right.

    https://www.breitbart.com/europe/2022/03/08/europes-russian-gas-addiction-under-pressure-as-kremlin-threatens-to-cut-supply/



    --

    I yam what I yam - Popeye

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  • From Ed Lee@21:1/5 to jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com on Tue Mar 8 10:22:37 2022
    On Tuesday, March 8, 2022 at 8:52:50 AM UTC-8, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
    On Sat, 5 Mar 2022 23:02:19 -0800 (PST), Flyguy
    <soar2...@yahoo.com> wrote:

    NATO countries must invest in their own SELF-DEFENSE, not depend on the "kindness" of Russia:
    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/germanys-dramatic-reversal-on-defense-explained/ar-AAUEagk?li=BBnb7Kz
    This was the typical libtard response to Trump's demands that felt self-defense was an outdated idea:
    https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2018/07/trump-nato-defense-four-percent/564911/
    Yes, he had that annoying habit of being right.

    https://www.breitbart.com/europe/2022/03/08/europes-russian-gas-addiction-under-pressure-as-kremlin-threatens-to-cut-supply/

    We have plenty of oil and gas at cost of $20 to $30 in NSea & GOM, if not being choked off by environmentalist. I know we need to reduce fossil fuels, but only when there are alternatives.

    $150 oil will start demand destructions via recessions. Problem will be solved one way or another.

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  • From whit3rd@21:1/5 to jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com on Tue Mar 8 12:22:22 2022
    On Tuesday, March 8, 2022 at 8:52:50 AM UTC-8, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
    On Sat, 5 Mar 2022 23:02:19 -0800 (PST), Flyguy
    <soar2...@yahoo.com> wrote:

    This was the typical libtard response to Trump's demands that felt self-defense was an outdated idea:
    https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2018/07/trump-nato-defense-four-percent/564911/

    I wonder what that sentence was supposed to mean?

    Yes, he had that annoying habit of being right.

    Not really; you can find wisdom in Nostradamus, every few decades, because... he said stuff would
    happen, and stuff happens.

    The annoying bit, is Nostradamus groupies claiming that his 'wisdom' has been unfairly maligned. It's blather, not wisdom, and it always was. But, it's a LOT of blather,
    with many ambiguous snippable elements.

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  • From Ed Lee@21:1/5 to Ed Lee on Tue Mar 8 14:08:16 2022
    On Tuesday, March 8, 2022 at 10:22:46 AM UTC-8, Ed Lee wrote:
    On Tuesday, March 8, 2022 at 8:52:50 AM UTC-8, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
    On Sat, 5 Mar 2022 23:02:19 -0800 (PST), Flyguy
    <soar2...@yahoo.com> wrote:

    NATO countries must invest in their own SELF-DEFENSE, not depend on the "kindness" of Russia:
    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/germanys-dramatic-reversal-on-defense-explained/ar-AAUEagk?li=BBnb7Kz
    This was the typical libtard response to Trump's demands that felt self-defense was an outdated idea:
    https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2018/07/trump-nato-defense-four-percent/564911/
    Yes, he had that annoying habit of being right.

    https://www.breitbart.com/europe/2022/03/08/europes-russian-gas-addiction-under-pressure-as-kremlin-threatens-to-cut-supply/
    We have plenty of oil and gas at cost of $20 to $30 in NSea & GOM, if not being choked off by environmentalist. I know we need to reduce fossil fuels, but only when there are alternatives.

    $150 oil will start demand destructions via recessions. Problem will be solved one way or another.

    Agree with what he said: https://oilprice.com/Energy/Crude-Oil/Canceling-Keystone-XL-May-Have-Been-Bidens-Biggest-Blunder.html

    Furthermore, killing Keystone XL forces upto 830,000 bpd to pump into Vancouver, load onto tanker, ship pass Panama, onto Gulf coast refiners to mix with lighter crude. That's making Canadian oil more expensive than necessary and choking off supply.

    Thank you but no thank, Mr. President.

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  • From Rick C@21:1/5 to Ed Lee on Tue Mar 8 15:45:42 2022
    On Tuesday, March 8, 2022 at 5:08:24 PM UTC-5, Ed Lee wrote:
    On Tuesday, March 8, 2022 at 10:22:46 AM UTC-8, Ed Lee wrote:
    On Tuesday, March 8, 2022 at 8:52:50 AM UTC-8, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
    On Sat, 5 Mar 2022 23:02:19 -0800 (PST), Flyguy
    <soar2...@yahoo.com> wrote:

    NATO countries must invest in their own SELF-DEFENSE, not depend on the "kindness" of Russia:
    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/germanys-dramatic-reversal-on-defense-explained/ar-AAUEagk?li=BBnb7Kz
    This was the typical libtard response to Trump's demands that felt self-defense was an outdated idea:
    https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2018/07/trump-nato-defense-four-percent/564911/
    Yes, he had that annoying habit of being right.

    https://www.breitbart.com/europe/2022/03/08/europes-russian-gas-addiction-under-pressure-as-kremlin-threatens-to-cut-supply/
    We have plenty of oil and gas at cost of $20 to $30 in NSea & GOM, if not being choked off by environmentalist. I know we need to reduce fossil fuels, but only when there are alternatives.

    $150 oil will start demand destructions via recessions. Problem will be solved one way or another.
    Agree with what he said: https://oilprice.com/Energy/Crude-Oil/Canceling-Keystone-XL-May-Have-Been-Bidens-Biggest-Blunder.html

    Furthermore, killing Keystone XL forces upto 830,000 bpd to pump into Vancouver, load onto tanker, ship pass Panama, onto Gulf coast refiners to mix with lighter crude. That's making Canadian oil more expensive than necessary and choking off supply.

    Thank you but no thank, Mr. President.

    Why would we want crude oil diluted with maple syrup? Get your head out of your butt and smell the coffee! Are you anti-American or something? Better dead than maple leaf red! Even Nostradamus could see that coming!

    --

    Rick C.

    - Get 1,000 miles of free Supercharging
    - Tesla referral code - https://ts.la/richard11209

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  • From Ed Lee@21:1/5 to gnuarm.del...@gmail.com on Tue Mar 8 15:52:32 2022
    On Tuesday, March 8, 2022 at 3:45:49 PM UTC-8, gnuarm.del...@gmail.com wrote:
    On Tuesday, March 8, 2022 at 5:08:24 PM UTC-5, Ed Lee wrote:
    On Tuesday, March 8, 2022 at 10:22:46 AM UTC-8, Ed Lee wrote:
    On Tuesday, March 8, 2022 at 8:52:50 AM UTC-8, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
    On Sat, 5 Mar 2022 23:02:19 -0800 (PST), Flyguy
    <soar2...@yahoo.com> wrote:

    NATO countries must invest in their own SELF-DEFENSE, not depend on the "kindness" of Russia:
    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/germanys-dramatic-reversal-on-defense-explained/ar-AAUEagk?li=BBnb7Kz
    This was the typical libtard response to Trump's demands that felt self-defense was an outdated idea:
    https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2018/07/trump-nato-defense-four-percent/564911/
    Yes, he had that annoying habit of being right.

    https://www.breitbart.com/europe/2022/03/08/europes-russian-gas-addiction-under-pressure-as-kremlin-threatens-to-cut-supply/
    We have plenty of oil and gas at cost of $20 to $30 in NSea & GOM, if not being choked off by environmentalist. I know we need to reduce fossil fuels, but only when there are alternatives.

    $150 oil will start demand destructions via recessions. Problem will be solved one way or another.
    Agree with what he said: https://oilprice.com/Energy/Crude-Oil/Canceling-Keystone-XL-May-Have-Been-Bidens-Biggest-Blunder.html

    Furthermore, killing Keystone XL forces upto 830,000 bpd to pump into Vancouver, load onto tanker, ship pass Panama, onto Gulf coast refiners to mix with lighter crude. That's making Canadian oil more expensive than necessary and choking off supply.

    Thank you but no thank, Mr. President.
    Why would we want crude oil diluted with maple syrup? Get your head out of your butt and smell the coffee! Are you anti-American or something?

    Canadian syrup is very thick. It needs to be diluted with US light oil. Alternatively, we have to get them from countries like Venezuela (heavy), Iran or Russia.

    Better dead than maple leaf red! Even Nostradamus could see that coming!

    Slightly PINK Canadian syrup is still better than bright RED Russian oil.

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  • From Rick C@21:1/5 to Ed Lee on Tue Mar 8 16:02:28 2022
    On Tuesday, March 8, 2022 at 6:52:40 PM UTC-5, Ed Lee wrote:
    On Tuesday, March 8, 2022 at 3:45:49 PM UTC-8, gnuarm.del...@gmail.com wrote:
    On Tuesday, March 8, 2022 at 5:08:24 PM UTC-5, Ed Lee wrote:
    On Tuesday, March 8, 2022 at 10:22:46 AM UTC-8, Ed Lee wrote:
    On Tuesday, March 8, 2022 at 8:52:50 AM UTC-8, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
    On Sat, 5 Mar 2022 23:02:19 -0800 (PST), Flyguy
    <soar2...@yahoo.com> wrote:

    NATO countries must invest in their own SELF-DEFENSE, not depend on the "kindness" of Russia:
    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/germanys-dramatic-reversal-on-defense-explained/ar-AAUEagk?li=BBnb7Kz
    This was the typical libtard response to Trump's demands that felt self-defense was an outdated idea:
    https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2018/07/trump-nato-defense-four-percent/564911/
    Yes, he had that annoying habit of being right.

    https://www.breitbart.com/europe/2022/03/08/europes-russian-gas-addiction-under-pressure-as-kremlin-threatens-to-cut-supply/
    We have plenty of oil and gas at cost of $20 to $30 in NSea & GOM, if not being choked off by environmentalist. I know we need to reduce fossil fuels, but only when there are alternatives.

    $150 oil will start demand destructions via recessions. Problem will be solved one way or another.
    Agree with what he said: https://oilprice.com/Energy/Crude-Oil/Canceling-Keystone-XL-May-Have-Been-Bidens-Biggest-Blunder.html

    Furthermore, killing Keystone XL forces upto 830,000 bpd to pump into Vancouver, load onto tanker, ship pass Panama, onto Gulf coast refiners to mix with lighter crude. That's making Canadian oil more expensive than necessary and choking off supply.

    Thank you but no thank, Mr. President.
    Why would we want crude oil diluted with maple syrup? Get your head out of your butt and smell the coffee! Are you anti-American or something?
    Canadian syrup is very thick. It needs to be diluted with US light oil. Alternatively, we have to get them from countries like Venezuela (heavy), Iran or Russia.
    Better dead than maple leaf red! Even Nostradamus could see that coming!
    Slightly PINK Canadian syrup is still better than bright RED Russian oil.

    You pinko!

    --

    Rick C.

    + Get 1,000 miles of free Supercharging
    + Tesla referral code - https://ts.la/richard11209

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  • From Anthony William Sloman@21:1/5 to Flyguy on Tue Mar 8 17:28:51 2022
    On Wednesday, March 9, 2022 at 2:31:07 AM UTC+11, Flyguy wrote:
    On Monday, March 7, 2022 at 11:56:21 PM UTC-8, bill....@ieee.org wrote:
    On Tuesday, March 8, 2022 at 3:54:30 PM UTC+11, Flyguy wrote:
    On Sunday, March 6, 2022 at 11:32:15 PM UTC-8, bill....@ieee.org wrote:
    On Monday, March 7, 2022 at 4:36:56 PM UTC+11, Flyguy wrote:
    On Sunday, March 6, 2022 at 2:28:37 AM UTC-8, bill....@ieee.org wrote:
    On Sunday, March 6, 2022 at 6:02:26 PM UTC+11, Flyguy wrote:
    NATO countries must invest in their own SELF-DEFENSE, not depend on the "kindness" of Russia:
    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/germanys-dramatic-reversal-on-defense-explained/ar-AAUEagk?li=BBnb7Kz
    They do spend quite a lot on their own defense forces. They don't have the entrenched military industrial complex that the US has, so they don't spend as high a proportion of their GDP on defense as the US does, and they don't spend it on the
    baroque arsenal that America seems to think it needs (and isn't all that effective in defending stuff). Interestingly the M1 Abrams tanks has Chobam armour (developed in the UK), and a German gun. It's fuel-guzzling gas-turbine engine is American, and
    nobody else has been silly enough to copy that.

    https://www.foreignaffairs.com/reviews/capsule-review/1981-09-01/baroque-arsenal

    Mary Kaldor published the book in 1981, but it hasn't dated.

    This was the typical libtard response to Trump's demands that felt self-defense was an outdated idea:
    https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2018/07/trump-nato-defense-four-percent/564911/

    And Flyguy is too dumb to realise that it was perfectly sensible, which is something Trump can't manage, and is even further out of Flyguy's reach.

    Hey Sloman, here is a trivia question for you: how many battle-ready, field-deployable soldiers do ALL of the EU countries COMBINED have?

    Flyguy thinks that this is a trivial question, which means that some other right-wing lunatic thinks he knows the answer.

    Of course they have to find definitions of "battle-ready" and "field-deployable" which rather depends on the sort of battle you think that they might be fighting, and where you imagine those battles might take place, and Flyguy won't have a clue
    about any of that.

    Translation: I have NO FUCKING IDEA!

    Flyguy doesn't have any idea what I'm talking about - it is all much too complicated for him to follow - so he "translates" it into words that he can understand.
    This doesn't have anything to do with what I said - beyond registering the fact that he didn't understand it - so it's more an expression of incomprehension than any kind of translation.

    Oh, Sloman, who doesn't know is YOU! You can't answer the question because you DON'T KNOW the answer!! "Battle-ready" and "field-deployable" are very straightforward concepts: they are soldiers ready to go into battle NOW. Thank God YOU aren't a
    general - they HAVE to know the answer!!

    Units who are ready to go a fight a war in a jungle look rather different from units ready to be deployed on the tank-friendly steppes of Russia. The Italian army had mountain regiments who could do okay in the Alps. During the Korean war the US Army
    suffered horribly from frost-bite.

    Flyguy sounds like the kind of general who didn't know enough to realise this. He's an armchair general who is too ignorant to realise quite how ignorant he is.

    --
    Bill Sloman, Sydney

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  • From Anthony William Sloman@21:1/5 to jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com on Tue Mar 8 17:33:58 2022
    On Wednesday, March 9, 2022 at 3:52:50 AM UTC+11, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
    On Sat, 5 Mar 2022 23:02:19 -0800 (PST), Flyguy
    <soar2...@yahoo.com> wrote:

    NATO countries must invest in their own SELF-DEFENSE, not depend on the "kindness" of Russia:
    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/germanys-dramatic-reversal-on-defense-explained/ar-AAUEagk?li=BBnb7Kz
    This was the typical libtard response to Trump's demands that felt self-defense was an outdated idea:
    https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2018/07/trump-nato-defense-four-percent/564911/
    Yes, he had that annoying habit of being right.

    https://www.breitbart.com/europe/2022/03/08/europes-russian-gas-addiction-under-pressure-as-kremlin-threatens-to-cut-supply/

    John Larkin is a bit too dumb to realise that Breitbart is always going to tell him that Trump was right, no matter how simpleminded, obvious and irrelevant Trump's original claim might have been.

    --
    Bill Sloman, Sydney

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  • From Ed Lee@21:1/5 to DecadentLinux...@decadence.org on Tue Mar 8 18:24:38 2022
    On Tuesday, March 8, 2022 at 6:17:32 PM UTC-8, DecadentLinux...@decadence.org wrote:
    Ed Lee <edward....@gmail.com> wrote in news:dd56a67f-2e44-46c9...@googlegroups.com:
    $150 oil will start demand destructions via recessions. Problem
    will be solved one way or another.
    The US does not need OPEC oil and we will not buy it at those prices.
    We have plenty. Maybe we will buy again after all this passes.

    Your opinion needs to recess.

    It's a global oil market. US WTI is at $125 now. Brent at $130. I don't see anything stopping them from going to $150 and beyond.

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  • From DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno@decadenc@21:1/5 to Ed Lee on Wed Mar 9 03:09:17 2022
    Ed Lee <edward.ming.lee@gmail.com> wrote in news:79822e40-a7c5-4493-ab16-d17e41283d8cn@googlegroups.com:

    On Tuesday, March 8, 2022 at 10:22:46 AM UTC-8, Ed Lee wrote:
    On Tuesday, March 8, 2022 at 8:52:50 AM UTC-8,
    jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
    On Sat, 5 Mar 2022 23:02:19 -0800 (PST), Flyguy
    <soar2...@yahoo.com> wrote:

    NATO countries must invest in their own SELF-DEFENSE, not
    depend on the "kindness" of Russia:
    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/germanys-dramatic-reversal
    -on-defense-explained/ar-AAUEagk?li=BBnb7Kz This was the
    typical libtard response to Trump's demands that felt
    self-defense was an outdated idea:
    https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2018/07/trump-nato-de
    fense-four-percent/564911/
    Yes, he had that annoying habit of being right.

    https://www.breitbart.com/europe/2022/03/08/europes-russian-gas-
    addiction-under-pressure-as-kremlin-threatens-to-cut-supply/
    We have plenty of oil and gas at cost of $20 to $30 in NSea &
    GOM, if not being choked off by environmentalist. I know we need
    to reduce fossil fuels, but only when there are alternatives.

    $150 oil will start demand destructions via recessions. Problem
    will be solved one way or another.

    Agree with what he said: https://oilprice.com/Energy/Crude-Oil/Canceling-Keystone-XL-May-Hav e-Been-Bidens-Biggest-Blunder.html

    Furthermore, killing Keystone XL forces upto 830,000 bpd to pump
    into Vancouver, load onto tanker, ship pass Panama, onto Gulf
    coast refiners to mix with lighter crude. That's making Canadian
    oil more expensive than necessary and choking off supply.

    Thank you but no thank, Mr. President.


    Damn, you are truly stupid, boy!

    There was not nor would there not be 830kbpd through your precious
    pipeline, you seem to only want to jack off at the mouth about in
    order to make the president look bad.

    It is sand oil and they are not moving/producing those levels at
    all, and UNTIL any said pipeline would have been completed and tested
    and the feeder process facility got built (another thing you have no
    clue about), they would/will be/ and ARE moving any they produce in
    the exact way they have this entire time.

    This is aside from the FACT that we are moving AWAY from petrol
    wherever we can. You should just grow the fuck up, Lee. You
    analysis acumen rests firmly at zero, because you have pre-baised
    yourself to be a blame blame blame game TrumpTarded idiot.

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  • From DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno@decadenc@21:1/5 to Ed Lee on Wed Mar 9 02:17:22 2022
    Ed Lee <edward.ming.lee@gmail.com> wrote in news:dd56a67f-2e44-46c9-8b36-570260a3af39n@googlegroups.com:

    $150 oil will start demand destructions via recessions. Problem
    will be solved one way or another.


    The US does not need OPEC oil and we will not buy it at those prices.
    We have plenty. Maybe we will buy again after all this passes.

    Your opinion needs to recess.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From Ed Lee@21:1/5 to DecadentLinux...@decadence.org on Tue Mar 8 19:20:00 2022
    On Tuesday, March 8, 2022 at 7:09:29 PM UTC-8, DecadentLinux...@decadence.org wrote:
    Ed Lee <edward....@gmail.com> wrote in news:79822e40-a7c5-4493...@googlegroups.com:
    On Tuesday, March 8, 2022 at 10:22:46 AM UTC-8, Ed Lee wrote:
    On Tuesday, March 8, 2022 at 8:52:50 AM UTC-8,
    jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
    On Sat, 5 Mar 2022 23:02:19 -0800 (PST), Flyguy
    <soar2...@yahoo.com> wrote:

    NATO countries must invest in their own SELF-DEFENSE, not
    depend on the "kindness" of Russia:
    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/germanys-dramatic-reversal
    -on-defense-explained/ar-AAUEagk?li=BBnb7Kz This was the
    typical libtard response to Trump's demands that felt
    self-defense was an outdated idea:
    https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2018/07/trump-nato-de
    fense-four-percent/564911/
    Yes, he had that annoying habit of being right.

    https://www.breitbart.com/europe/2022/03/08/europes-russian-gas-
    addiction-under-pressure-as-kremlin-threatens-to-cut-supply/
    We have plenty of oil and gas at cost of $20 to $30 in NSea &
    GOM, if not being choked off by environmentalist. I know we need
    to reduce fossil fuels, but only when there are alternatives.

    $150 oil will start demand destructions via recessions. Problem
    will be solved one way or another.

    Agree with what he said: https://oilprice.com/Energy/Crude-Oil/Canceling-Keystone-XL-May-Hav e-Been-Bidens-Biggest-Blunder.html

    Furthermore, killing Keystone XL forces upto 830,000 bpd to pump
    into Vancouver, load onto tanker, ship pass Panama, onto Gulf
    coast refiners to mix with lighter crude. That's making Canadian
    oil more expensive than necessary and choking off supply.

    Thank you but no thank, Mr. President.

    Damn, you are truly stupid, boy!

    There was not nor would there not be 830kbpd through your precious
    pipeline, you seem to only want to jack off at the mouth about in
    order to make the president look bad.

    Keystone XL will expand capacity by 830k bpd. Canadian oil producer will match production with pipeline capacity. Without the additional capability, Canadian oil is NOT competitive with others. The link previously provided said "Bidens-Biggest-Blunder"
    , not me.

    It is sand oil and they are not moving/producing those levels at
    all, and UNTIL any said pipeline would have been completed and tested
    and the feeder process facility got built (another thing you have no
    clue about), they would/will be/ and ARE moving any they produce in
    the exact way they have this entire time.

    This is aside from the FACT that we are moving AWAY from petrol
    wherever we can. You should just grow the fuck up, Lee. You
    analysis acumen rests firmly at zero, because you have pre-baised
    yourself to be a blame blame blame game TrumpTarded idiot.

    Sure, you can stop driving your car and heating your home, but you have no right to ask other people to move AWAY from petrol when you are not doing it yourself.

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  • From DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno@decadenc@21:1/5 to Ed Lee on Wed Mar 9 03:24:00 2022
    Ed Lee <edward.ming.lee@gmail.com> wrote in news:fa09329d-affa-4da1-9573-8c69bf73c3aen@googlegroups.com:

    Slightly PINK Canadian syrup is still better than bright RED
    Russian oil.

    Slightly yellow American soil immigrants should slightly... no,
    completely stay the fuck out of US politics.

    Does not matter if you are occasionally correct.

    Slighly less oil dependence is far better than either of your inane
    position.

    Alternative fuels, jackoff. Wake up and smell the Ozone aura.

    Far better than burning gas stank.

    You stank, boy. You will likely never be able to wash that
    TrumpStench off either. I'd bet that you sport the mark of the beast
    too.

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  • From StupidAs StupidGet@21:1/5 to Ed Lee on Tue Mar 8 19:26:00 2022
    On Tuesday, March 8, 2022 at 7:20:09 PM UTC-8, Ed Lee wrote:
    On Tuesday, March 8, 2022 at 7:09:29 PM UTC-8, DecadentLinux...@decadence.org wrote:
    Ed Lee <edward....@gmail.com> wrote in news:79822e40-a7c5-4493...@googlegroups.com:
    On Tuesday, March 8, 2022 at 10:22:46 AM UTC-8, Ed Lee wrote:
    On Tuesday, March 8, 2022 at 8:52:50 AM UTC-8,
    jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
    On Sat, 5 Mar 2022 23:02:19 -0800 (PST), Flyguy
    <soar2...@yahoo.com> wrote:

    NATO countries must invest in their own SELF-DEFENSE, not
    depend on the "kindness" of Russia:
    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/germanys-dramatic-reversal
    -on-defense-explained/ar-AAUEagk?li=BBnb7Kz This was the
    typical libtard response to Trump's demands that felt
    self-defense was an outdated idea:
    https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2018/07/trump-nato-de
    fense-four-percent/564911/
    Yes, he had that annoying habit of being right.

    https://www.breitbart.com/europe/2022/03/08/europes-russian-gas-
    addiction-under-pressure-as-kremlin-threatens-to-cut-supply/
    We have plenty of oil and gas at cost of $20 to $30 in NSea &
    GOM, if not being choked off by environmentalist. I know we need
    to reduce fossil fuels, but only when there are alternatives.

    $150 oil will start demand destructions via recessions. Problem
    will be solved one way or another.

    Agree with what he said: https://oilprice.com/Energy/Crude-Oil/Canceling-Keystone-XL-May-Hav e-Been-Bidens-Biggest-Blunder.html

    Furthermore, killing Keystone XL forces upto 830,000 bpd to pump
    into Vancouver, load onto tanker, ship pass Panama, onto Gulf
    coast refiners to mix with lighter crude. That's making Canadian
    oil more expensive than necessary and choking off supply.

    Thank you but no thank, Mr. President.

    Damn, you are truly stupid, boy!

    There was not nor would there not be 830kbpd through your precious pipeline, you seem to only want to jack off at the mouth about in
    order to make the president look bad.
    Keystone XL will expand capacity by 830k bpd. Canadian oil producer will match production with pipeline capacity. Without the additional capability, Canadian oil is NOT competitive with others. The link previously provided said "Bidens-Biggest-Blunder",
    not me.

    Thanks for showing me the Biden Biggest Blunder. Don't bother to argue with the Freaking Foul Fool. He is brainless Crazy Cranky Creep.

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  • From DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno@decadenc@21:1/5 to Anthony William Sloman on Wed Mar 9 03:38:10 2022
    Anthony William Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> wrote in news:1a2fa645-645d-480f-aaa1-aafd0edd127fn@googlegroups.com:

    On Wednesday, March 9, 2022 at 2:31:07 AM UTC+11, Flyguy wrote:
    On Monday, March 7, 2022 at 11:56:21 PM UTC-8, bill....@ieee.org
    wrote:

    On Tuesday, March 8, 2022 at 3:54:30 PM UTC+11, Flyguy wrote:
    On Sunday, March 6, 2022 at 11:32:15 PM UTC-8,
    bill....@ieee.org wrot
    e:
    On Monday, March 7, 2022 at 4:36:56 PM UTC+11, Flyguy
    wrote:
    On Sunday, March 6, 2022 at 2:28:37 AM UTC-8,
    bill....@ieee.org w
    rote:
    On Sunday, March 6, 2022 at 6:02:26 PM UTC+11, Flyguy
    wrote:
    NATO countries must invest in their own SELF-DEFENSE,
    not dep
    end on the "kindness" of Russia:
    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/germanys-dramatic
    -revers
    al-on-defense-explained/ar-AAUEagk?li=BBnb7Kz
    They do spend quite a lot on their own defense forces.
    They don
    't have the entrenched military industrial complex that the US
    has, so they don't spend as high a proportion of their GDP on
    defense as the US does, and they don't spend it on the baroque
    arsenal that America seems to think it needs (and isn't all that
    effective in defending stuff). Interestingly the M1 Abrams tanks
    has Chobam armour (developed in the UK), and a German gun. It's
    fuel-guzzling gas-turbine engine is American, and nobody else has
    been silly enough to copy that.

    https://www.foreignaffairs.com/reviews/capsule-review/19
    81-09-0
    1/baroque-arsenal

    Mary Kaldor published the book in 1981, but it hasn't
    dated.

    This was the typical libtard response to Trump's
    demands that
    felt self-defense was an outdated idea:
    https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2018/07/trum
    p-nato-
    defense-four-percent/564911/

    And Flyguy is too dumb to realise that it was perfectly
    sensibl
    e, which is something Trump can't manage, and is even further out
    of Flyguy's reach.

    Hey Sloman, here is a trivia question for you: how many
    battle-re
    ady, field-deployable soldiers do ALL of the EU countries COMBINED
    have?

    Flyguy thinks that this is a trivial question, which means
    that som
    e other right-wing lunatic thinks he knows the answer.

    Of course they have to find definitions of "battle-ready"
    and "fiel
    d-deployable" which rather depends on the sort of battle you think
    that they might be fighting, and where you imagine those battles
    might take place, and Flyguy won't have a clue about any of that.

    Translation: I have NO FUCKING IDEA!

    Flyguy doesn't have any idea what I'm talking about - it is all
    much to
    o complicated for him to follow - so he "translates" it into words
    that he can understand.
    This doesn't have anything to do with what I said - beyond
    registering
    the fact that he didn't understand it - so it's more an expression
    of incomprehension than any kind of translation.

    Oh, Sloman, who doesn't know is YOU! You can't answer the
    question becaus
    e you DON'T KNOW the answer!! "Battle-ready" and
    "field-deployable" are very straightforward concepts: they are
    soldiers ready to go into battle NOW. Thank God YOU aren't a
    general - they HAVE to know the answer!!

    Units who are ready to go a fight a war in a jungle look rather
    different from units ready to be deployed on the tank-friendly
    steppes of Russia. The Italian army had mountain regiments who
    could do okay in the Alps. During the Korean war the US Army
    suffered horribly from frost-bite.

    Flyguy sounds like the kind of general who didn't know enough to
    realise this. He's an armchair general who is too ignorant to
    realise quite how ignorant he is.


    So... these days we do "air superiority" and we take out ALL
    military value targets and aggressors from said air. And we will
    again... OUR judgement cometh... And that quite soon!

    <https://youtu.be/LIyyUKcxxCM?t=83>

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  • From StupidAs StupidGet@21:1/5 to DecadentLinux...@decadence.org on Tue Mar 8 19:43:59 2022
    On Tuesday, March 8, 2022 at 7:38:21 PM UTC-8, DecadentLinux...@decadence.org wrote:
    Anthony William Sloman <bill....@ieee.org> wrote in news:1a2fa645-645d-480f...@googlegroups.com:
    On Wednesday, March 9, 2022 at 2:31:07 AM UTC+11, Flyguy wrote:
    On Monday, March 7, 2022 at 11:56:21 PM UTC-8, bill....@ieee.org
    wrote:

    On Tuesday, March 8, 2022 at 3:54:30 PM UTC+11, Flyguy wrote:
    On Sunday, March 6, 2022 at 11:32:15 PM UTC-8,
    bill....@ieee.org wrot
    e:
    On Monday, March 7, 2022 at 4:36:56 PM UTC+11, Flyguy
    wrote:
    On Sunday, March 6, 2022 at 2:28:37 AM UTC-8,
    bill....@ieee.org w
    rote:
    On Sunday, March 6, 2022 at 6:02:26 PM UTC+11, Flyguy
    wrote:
    NATO countries must invest in their own SELF-DEFENSE,
    not dep
    end on the "kindness" of Russia:
    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/germanys-dramatic
    -revers
    al-on-defense-explained/ar-AAUEagk?li=BBnb7Kz
    They do spend quite a lot on their own defense forces.
    They don
    't have the entrenched military industrial complex that the US
    has, so they don't spend as high a proportion of their GDP on
    defense as the US does, and they don't spend it on the baroque
    arsenal that America seems to think it needs (and isn't all that
    effective in defending stuff). Interestingly the M1 Abrams tanks
    has Chobam armour (developed in the UK), and a German gun. It's fuel-guzzling gas-turbine engine is American, and nobody else has
    been silly enough to copy that.

    https://www.foreignaffairs.com/reviews/capsule-review/19
    81-09-0
    1/baroque-arsenal

    Mary Kaldor published the book in 1981, but it hasn't
    dated.

    This was the typical libtard response to Trump's
    demands that
    felt self-defense was an outdated idea:
    https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2018/07/trum
    p-nato-
    defense-four-percent/564911/

    And Flyguy is too dumb to realise that it was perfectly
    sensibl
    e, which is something Trump can't manage, and is even further out
    of Flyguy's reach.

    Hey Sloman, here is a trivia question for you: how many
    battle-re
    ady, field-deployable soldiers do ALL of the EU countries COMBINED
    have?

    Flyguy thinks that this is a trivial question, which means
    that som
    e other right-wing lunatic thinks he knows the answer.

    Of course they have to find definitions of "battle-ready"
    and "fiel
    d-deployable" which rather depends on the sort of battle you think
    that they might be fighting, and where you imagine those battles
    might take place, and Flyguy won't have a clue about any of that.

    Translation: I have NO FUCKING IDEA!

    Flyguy doesn't have any idea what I'm talking about - it is all
    much to
    o complicated for him to follow - so he "translates" it into words
    that he can understand.
    This doesn't have anything to do with what I said - beyond
    registering
    the fact that he didn't understand it - so it's more an expression
    of incomprehension than any kind of translation.

    Oh, Sloman, who doesn't know is YOU! You can't answer the
    question becaus
    e you DON'T KNOW the answer!! "Battle-ready" and
    "field-deployable" are very straightforward concepts: they are
    soldiers ready to go into battle NOW. Thank God YOU aren't a
    general - they HAVE to know the answer!!

    Units who are ready to go a fight a war in a jungle look rather
    different from units ready to be deployed on the tank-friendly
    steppes of Russia. The Italian army had mountain regiments who
    could do okay in the Alps. During the Korean war the US Army
    suffered horribly from frost-bite.

    Flyguy sounds like the kind of general who didn't know enough to
    realise this. He's an armchair general who is too ignorant to
    realise quite how ignorant he is.

    So... these days we do "air superiority" and we take out ALL
    military value targets and aggressors from said air. And we will
    again... OUR judgement cometh... And that quite soon!

    <https://youtu.be/LIyyUKcxxCM?t=83>

    You, FFF, should do (commit suicide) so.

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  • From DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno@decadenc@21:1/5 to Ed Lee on Wed Mar 9 03:45:28 2022
    Ed Lee <edward.ming.lee@gmail.com> wrote in news:4d48c509-ec22-4cc7-8e42-10a56a71e8c8n@googlegroups.com:

    Sure, you can stop driving your car and heating your home, but you
    have no right to ask other people to move AWAY from petrol when
    you are not doing it yourself.


    You're an idiot. I rode a bicycle for the last 29 years. Literally everywhere. Only bicycle, no car. 11 miles one way to work each day.

    I am as small carbon footprint as it gets, and you are as clueless as
    it gets.

    I currently use a 100MPG scooter and only because I have to and when
    I have to.

    Next you will say that tobacco use should be a choice too. When it
    is clearly harming our youth's bodies as well as their minds.

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  • From StupidAs StupidGet@21:1/5 to DecadentLinux...@decadence.org on Tue Mar 8 19:51:27 2022
    On Tuesday, March 8, 2022 at 7:45:38 PM UTC-8, DecadentLinux...@decadence.org wrote:
    Ed Lee <edward....@gmail.com> wrote in news:4d48c509-ec22-4cc7...@googlegroups.com:
    Sure, you can stop driving your car and heating your home, but you
    have no right to ask other people to move AWAY from petrol when
    you are not doing it yourself.

    You're an idiot. I rode a bicycle for the last 29 years. Literally everywhere. Only bicycle, no car. 11 miles one way to work each day.


    Do you have A/C or heating at work or at home. STOP IT. You are using oil or gas indirectly.

    I am as small carbon footprint as it gets, and you are as clueless as
    it gets.

    And you are As Stupid As Stupid Get.

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  • From Anthony William Sloman@21:1/5 to Ed Lee on Tue Mar 8 20:14:42 2022
    On Wednesday, March 9, 2022 at 2:20:09 PM UTC+11, Ed Lee wrote:
    On Tuesday, March 8, 2022 at 7:09:29 PM UTC-8, DecadentLinux...@decadence.org wrote:
    Ed Lee <edward....@gmail.com> wrote in news:79822e40-a7c5-4493...@googlegroups.com:
    On Tuesday, March 8, 2022 at 10:22:46 AM UTC-8, Ed Lee wrote:
    On Tuesday, March 8, 2022 at 8:52:50 AM UTC-8,
    jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
    On Sat, 5 Mar 2022 23:02:19 -0800 (PST), Flyguy
    <soar2...@yahoo.com> wrote:

    NATO countries must invest in their own SELF-DEFENSE, not
    depend on the "kindness" of Russia:
    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/germanys-dramatic-reversal
    -on-defense-explained/ar-AAUEagk?li=BBnb7Kz This was the
    typical libtard response to Trump's demands that felt
    self-defense was an outdated idea:
    https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2018/07/trump-nato-de
    fense-four-percent/564911/
    Yes, he had that annoying habit of being right.

    https://www.breitbart.com/europe/2022/03/08/europes-russian-gas-
    addiction-under-pressure-as-kremlin-threatens-to-cut-supply/
    We have plenty of oil and gas at cost of $20 to $30 in NSea &
    GOM, if not being choked off by environmentalist. I know we need
    to reduce fossil fuels, but only when there are alternatives.

    $150 oil will start demand destructions via recessions. Problem
    will be solved one way or another.

    Agree with what he said: https://oilprice.com/Energy/Crude-Oil/Canceling-Keystone-XL-May-Hav e-Been-Bidens-Biggest-Blunder.html

    Furthermore, killing Keystone XL forces upto 830,000 bpd to pump
    into Vancouver, load onto tanker, ship pass Panama, onto Gulf
    coast refiners to mix with lighter crude. That's making Canadian
    oil more expensive than necessary and choking off supply.

    Thank you but no thank, Mr. President.

    Damn, you are truly stupid, boy!

    There was not nor would there not be 830kbpd through your precious pipeline, you seem to only want to jack off at the mouth about in
    order to make the president look bad.

    Keystone XL will expand capacity by 830k bpd. Canadian oil producer will match production with pipeline capacity. Without the additional capability, Canadian oil is NOT competitive with others. The link previously provided said "Bidens-Biggest-Blunder",
    not me.

    A website labeled oilprice.com isn't gong to be sympathetic to any efforts to reduce anthropogenic global warming.

    It is sand oil and they are not moving/producing those levels at
    all, and UNTIL any said pipeline would have been completed and tested
    and the feeder process facility got built (another thing you have no
    clue about), they would/will be/ and ARE moving any they produce in
    the exact way they have this entire time.

    This is aside from the FACT that we are moving AWAY from petrol
    wherever we can. You should just grow the fuck up, Lee. You
    analysis acumen rests firmly at zero, because you have pre-baised
    yourself to be a blame blame blame game TrumpTarded idiot.

    Sure, you can stop driving your car and heating your home, but you have no right to ask other people to move AWAY from petrol when you are not doing it yourself.

    Of course if you drive an electric car, and use an electrically driven heat pump to heat your home, and make sure that your electricity supply is entirely renewable, you have every right to ask other people to be just as careful. Ed Lee doesn't seem to
    realise that these options exist.

    At the moment, the renewable electric supply just means that enough of your suppliers electricity is generated from renewable source to always cover the people who are prepared to pay extra to get their supply labelled as renewable, bu the fact that
    renewable electricity generators are now the cheapest sources of electricity pretty much guarantees that whole supply will eventually be renewable, even without the nasty side effects of anthropogenic global warming to encourage the switch-over.

    --
    Bill Sloman, Sydney

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  • From DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno@decadenc@21:1/5 to Rick C on Wed Mar 9 03:26:27 2022
    Rick C <gnuarm.deletethisbit@gmail.com> wrote in news:c8c86104-b840- 41da-baa7-43ffda1d1104n@googlegroups.com:

    You pinko!

    <https://youtu.be/ktRauWaAEI8?t=95>

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  • From DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno@decadenc@21:1/5 to Ed Lee on Wed Mar 9 03:40:51 2022
    Ed Lee <edward.ming.lee@gmail.com> wrote in news:4d48c509-ec22-4cc7-8e42-10a56a71e8c8n@googlegroups.com:

    Keystone XL will expand capacity by 830k bpd. Canadian oil
    producer will match production with pipeline capacity. Without
    the additional capability, Canadian oil is NOT competitive with
    others. The link previously provided said
    "Bidens-Biggest-Blunder", not me.

    It is biased toward continued reliance on oil, you pathetic, zero
    forward vision utter idiot.

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  • From Ed Lee@21:1/5 to bill....@ieee.org on Tue Mar 8 20:22:27 2022
    On Tuesday, March 8, 2022 at 8:14:50 PM UTC-8, bill....@ieee.org wrote:
    On Wednesday, March 9, 2022 at 2:20:09 PM UTC+11, Ed Lee wrote:
    On Tuesday, March 8, 2022 at 7:09:29 PM UTC-8, DecadentLinux...@decadence.org wrote:
    Ed Lee <edward....@gmail.com> wrote in news:79822e40-a7c5-4493...@googlegroups.com:
    On Tuesday, March 8, 2022 at 10:22:46 AM UTC-8, Ed Lee wrote:
    On Tuesday, March 8, 2022 at 8:52:50 AM UTC-8,
    jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
    On Sat, 5 Mar 2022 23:02:19 -0800 (PST), Flyguy
    <soar2...@yahoo.com> wrote:

    NATO countries must invest in their own SELF-DEFENSE, not
    depend on the "kindness" of Russia:
    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/germanys-dramatic-reversal
    -on-defense-explained/ar-AAUEagk?li=BBnb7Kz This was the
    typical libtard response to Trump's demands that felt
    self-defense was an outdated idea:
    https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2018/07/trump-nato-de
    fense-four-percent/564911/
    Yes, he had that annoying habit of being right.

    https://www.breitbart.com/europe/2022/03/08/europes-russian-gas-
    addiction-under-pressure-as-kremlin-threatens-to-cut-supply/
    We have plenty of oil and gas at cost of $20 to $30 in NSea &
    GOM, if not being choked off by environmentalist. I know we need
    to reduce fossil fuels, but only when there are alternatives.

    $150 oil will start demand destructions via recessions. Problem
    will be solved one way or another.

    Agree with what he said: https://oilprice.com/Energy/Crude-Oil/Canceling-Keystone-XL-May-Hav e-Been-Bidens-Biggest-Blunder.html

    Furthermore, killing Keystone XL forces upto 830,000 bpd to pump
    into Vancouver, load onto tanker, ship pass Panama, onto Gulf
    coast refiners to mix with lighter crude. That's making Canadian
    oil more expensive than necessary and choking off supply.

    Thank you but no thank, Mr. President.

    Damn, you are truly stupid, boy!

    There was not nor would there not be 830kbpd through your precious pipeline, you seem to only want to jack off at the mouth about in
    order to make the president look bad.

    Keystone XL will expand capacity by 830k bpd. Canadian oil producer will match production with pipeline capacity. Without the additional capability, Canadian oil is NOT competitive with others. The link previously provided said "Bidens-Biggest-
    Blunder", not me.
    A website labeled oilprice.com isn't gong to be sympathetic to any efforts to reduce anthropogenic global warming.

    It is sand oil and they are not moving/producing those levels at
    all, and UNTIL any said pipeline would have been completed and tested and the feeder process facility got built (another thing you have no clue about), they would/will be/ and ARE moving any they produce in
    the exact way they have this entire time.

    This is aside from the FACT that we are moving AWAY from petrol
    wherever we can. You should just grow the fuck up, Lee. You
    analysis acumen rests firmly at zero, because you have pre-baised yourself to be a blame blame blame game TrumpTarded idiot.

    Sure, you can stop driving your car and heating your home, but you have no right to ask other people to move AWAY from petrol when you are not doing it yourself.
    Of course if you drive an electric car, and use an electrically driven heat pump to heat your home, and make sure that your electricity supply is entirely renewable, you have every right to ask other people to be just as careful. Ed Lee doesn't seem to
    realise that these options exist.

    I drive a Leaf EV and don't have A/C here. But i don't dictate what other people do.

    At the moment, the renewable electric supply just means that enough of your suppliers electricity is generated from renewable source to always cover the people who are prepared to pay extra to get their supply labelled as renewable, bu the fact that
    renewable electricity generators are now the cheapest sources of electricity pretty much guarantees that whole supply will eventually be renewable, even without the nasty side effects of anthropogenic global warming to encourage the switch-over.

    You can dream all you want about renewable, but it's not ready yet. We are using record among of coal worldwide to replace limited oil and gas. Is that better for (not) global warming?

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From Anthony William Sloman@21:1/5 to Ed Lee on Tue Mar 8 22:27:48 2022
    On Wednesday, March 9, 2022 at 3:22:35 PM UTC+11, Ed Lee wrote:
    On Tuesday, March 8, 2022 at 8:14:50 PM UTC-8, bill....@ieee.org wrote:
    On Wednesday, March 9, 2022 at 2:20:09 PM UTC+11, Ed Lee wrote:
    On Tuesday, March 8, 2022 at 7:09:29 PM UTC-8, DecadentLinux...@decadence.org wrote:
    Ed Lee <edward....@gmail.com> wrote in news:79822e40-a7c5-4493...@googlegroups.com:
    On Tuesday, March 8, 2022 at 10:22:46 AM UTC-8, Ed Lee wrote:
    On Tuesday, March 8, 2022 at 8:52:50 AM UTC-8,
    jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
    On Sat, 5 Mar 2022 23:02:19 -0800 (PST), Flyguy
    <soar2...@yahoo.com> wrote:

    NATO countries must invest in their own SELF-DEFENSE, not
    depend on the "kindness" of Russia:
    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/germanys-dramatic-reversal >> > >-on-defense-explained/ar-AAUEagk?li=BBnb7Kz This was the
    typical libtard response to Trump's demands that felt
    self-defense was an outdated idea:
    https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2018/07/trump-nato-de >> > >fense-four-percent/564911/
    Yes, he had that annoying habit of being right.

    https://www.breitbart.com/europe/2022/03/08/europes-russian-gas- >> > addiction-under-pressure-as-kremlin-threatens-to-cut-supply/
    We have plenty of oil and gas at cost of $20 to $30 in NSea &
    GOM, if not being choked off by environmentalist. I know we need
    to reduce fossil fuels, but only when there are alternatives.

    $150 oil will start demand destructions via recessions. Problem
    will be solved one way or another.

    Agree with what he said: https://oilprice.com/Energy/Crude-Oil/Canceling-Keystone-XL-May-Hav e-Been-Bidens-Biggest-Blunder.html

    Furthermore, killing Keystone XL forces upto 830,000 bpd to pump into Vancouver, load onto tanker, ship pass Panama, onto Gulf
    coast refiners to mix with lighter crude. That's making Canadian
    oil more expensive than necessary and choking off supply.

    Thank you but no thank, Mr. President.

    Damn, you are truly stupid, boy!

    There was not nor would there not be 830kbpd through your precious pipeline, you seem to only want to jack off at the mouth about in order to make the president look bad.

    Keystone XL will expand capacity by 830k bpd. Canadian oil producer will match production with pipeline capacity. Without the additional capability, Canadian oil is NOT competitive with others. The link previously provided said "Bidens-Biggest-
    Blunder", not me.
    A website labeled oilprice.com isn't gong to be sympathetic to any efforts to reduce anthropogenic global warming.

    It is sand oil and they are not moving/producing those levels at
    all, and UNTIL any said pipeline would have been completed and tested and the feeder process facility got built (another thing you have no clue about), they would/will be/ and ARE moving any they produce in the exact way they have this entire time.

    This is aside from the FACT that we are moving AWAY from petrol wherever we can. You should just grow the fuck up, Lee. You
    analysis acumen rests firmly at zero, because you have pre-baised yourself to be a blame blame blame game TrumpTarded idiot.

    Sure, you can stop driving your car and heating your home, but you have no right to ask other people to move AWAY from petrol when you are not doing it yourself.

    Of course if you drive an electric car, and use an electrically driven heat pump to heat your home, and make sure that your electricity supply is entirely renewable, you have every right to ask other people to be just as careful. Ed Lee doesn't seem
    to realise that these options exist.

    I drive a Leaf EV and don't have A/C here. But i don't dictate what other people do.

    None of us can. But we can make it pretty clear what they ought to do.

    At the moment, the renewable electric supply just means that enough of your suppliers electricity is generated from renewable source to always cover the people who are prepared to pay extra to get their supply labelled as renewable, bu the fact that
    renewable electricity generators are now the cheapest sources of electricity pretty much guarantees that whole supply will eventually be renewable, even without the nasty side effects of anthropogenic global warming to encourage the switch-over.

    You can dream all you want about renewable, but it's not ready yet.

    The current Australia administration is dreaming of keeping the coal mining interests that support it happy by trying to insist that the electricity generating industry doesn't shut down it's aging coal plants. The electricity-generating industry is
    looking at it's bottom line and investing all it can in building more renewable generating capacity, and absolutely nothing in new fossil-fueled generating capacity. It isn't going to become completely renewable overnight - or even in the next decade -
    but it is starting to invest in the grid storage that it will need when it starts to get close.

    Renewable energy is quite as ready as it needs to be. Flyguy seems to think that renewable electricity is too expensive to ever be practical, when it's actually too cheap for anything else to be practical as a long-term investment,

    We are using record among of coal worldwide to replace limited oil and gas. Is that better for (not) global warming?

    It's not good, but that's more about increased energy use than any preference for coal-fired generators. If you've got them, you use them until you can install cheaper generating options. It isn't good for the planet, but it keeps your consumers happy (
    until they get flooded out by the consequences of climate change, which is what is happening in the Australian state of New South Wales where I happen to live, right now. Happily my wife and I live a long way above the local flood levels, but lots of
    others aren't as lucky).

    --
    Bill Sloman, Sydney

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  • From DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno@decadenc@21:1/5 to StupidAs StupidGet on Wed Mar 9 10:02:20 2022
    StupidAs StupidGet <buildbetterbilly@gmail.com> wrote in news:1a9e8ca3-654f-415d-95ab-162a644885e7n@googlegroups.com:

    On Tuesday, March 8, 2022 at 7:45:38 PM UTC-8,
    DecadentLinux...@decadence.org wrote:
    Ed Lee <edward....@gmail.com> wrote in
    news:4d48c509-ec22-4cc7...@googlegroups.com:
    Sure, you can stop driving your car and heating your home, but
    you have no right to ask other people to move AWAY from petrol
    when you are not doing it yourself.

    You're an idiot. I rode a bicycle for the last 29 years.
    Literally everywhere. Only bicycle, no car. 11 miles one way to
    work each day.


    Do you have A/C or heating at work or at home.

    I work from the home, dipshit. Engineering consulting is also
    above your comprehension capacity.

    STOP IT.

    Fuck you. Go jump off a bridge. See how that works, putz?
    Oh that's right, you are too clueless to see anything for what it is.

    You are
    using oil or gas indirectly.

    A "gas turbine" at a power company is NATURAL GAS, not petrol,
    dipshit.

    I am as small carbon footprint as it gets, and you are as
    clueless as it gets.

    And you are As Stupid As Stupid Get.

    If indeed you are as clueless as I state, then anything you state
    pretty much carries ZERO credibility.

    You really are one stupid putz, motherfucker. Now fess up, little
    boy... what nym have you posted under in this group traditionally
    over the years? IOW, just which asshole are you really? Too much of
    a pussy to say, eh?

    I say you are a respin alternate poster formerly and currently
    referred to as "FlyTurd".

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno@decadenc@21:1/5 to Ed Lee on Wed Mar 9 10:08:15 2022
    Ed Lee <edward.ming.lee@gmail.com> wrote in news:739ddb53-aeae-473c-a37b-16e3657fd626n@googlegroups.com:

    I drive a Leaf EV and don't have A/C here. But i don't dictate
    what other people do.

    Sure you do. All your pissing and moaning about the pipeline proves
    you are nothing but a Trump Cult idiot spouting his lies and
    manipulations of his retarded cult base of which you are a member.
    No? Could have fooled me.

    You do not 'dictate' but your sure do DICK state.

    You're a retarded Trumpanzee DICKStater.
    Go ahead, state some more DICK statements.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno@decadenc@21:1/5 to StupidAs StupidGet on Wed Mar 9 10:13:36 2022
    StupidAs StupidGet <buildbetterbilly@gmail.com> wrote in news:8257353a- 6aef-4f73-9a3e-ec02f4af8bden@googlegroups.com:


    You, FFF, should do (commit suicide) so.


    You must be another John Dope nym poster.
    It is obvious since you also never pose an argument, valid or
    otherwise.

    Decidedly so, as you could not even get your nym right.

    Stupid is as Stupid does, and you do not do much but what you DOO DOO
    is extremely stupid. Good job, putz! Not!

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno@decadenc@21:1/5 to Ed Lee on Wed Mar 9 10:13:37 2022
    Ed Lee <edward.ming.lee@gmail.com> wrote in news:739ddb53-aeae-473c- a37b-16e3657fd626n@googlegroups.com:

    You can dream all you want about renewable, but it's not ready yet.

    You can make that pathetic claim all you want, but you are nothing more
    than a Trumpanzee idiot spouting non-facts.

    The state of Oklahoma, for example generates 35% of their power with
    the wind. And that is just the wind, they also utilize other
    alternative generation methods.

    Essentially, you are about as stupid as it gets.

    In the UK, a far more densly populated geographic area, and thereby
    harder to populate with wind turbines, they STILL make 24% from it.
    See the above statement for what that means for a putz like you and
    your lack of grasp of reality. Wake the fuck up, TrumpPutz and pull
    your head out of his fat skanky ass.

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  • From StupidAs StupidGet@21:1/5 to DecadentLinux...@decadence.org on Wed Mar 9 03:07:57 2022
    On Wednesday, March 9, 2022 at 2:13:48 AM UTC-8, DecadentLinux...@decadence.org wrote:
    StupidAs StupidGet <buildbet...@gmail.com> wrote in news:8257353a- 6aef-4f73-9a3e...@googlegroups.com:

    You, FFF, should do (commit suicide) so.

    You must be another John Dope nym poster.

    Yes, we are.

    It is obvious since you also never pose an argument, valid or
    otherwise.

    Decidedly so, as you could not even get your nym right.

    Stupid is as Stupid does, and you do not do much but what you DOO DOO
    is extremely stupid. Good job, putz! Not!

    You are me and I am you (future). We are one and same stupid son of a bitch. FFF CCC

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From StupidAs StupidGet@21:1/5 to DecadentLinux...@decadence.org on Wed Mar 9 03:26:17 2022
    On Wednesday, March 9, 2022 at 2:13:58 AM UTC-8, DecadentLinux...@decadence.org wrote:
    Ed Lee <edward....@gmail.com> wrote in news:739ddb53-aeae-473c- a37b-16e3...@googlegroups.com:
    You can dream all you want about renewable, but it's not ready yet.
    You can make that pathetic claim all you want, but you are nothing more
    than a Trumpanzee idiot spouting non-facts.

    The state of Oklahoma, for example generates 35% of their power with
    the wind. And that is just the wind, they also utilize other
    alternative generation methods.

    Essentially, you are about as stupid as it gets.

    In the UK, a far more densly populated geographic area, and thereby
    harder to populate with wind turbines, they STILL make 24% from it.
    See the above statement for what that means for a putz like you and
    your lack of grasp of reality. Wake the fuck up, TrumpPutz and pull
    your head out of his fat skanky ass.

    IamU & UrMe. We are 1 SoB supporter of BidenBB.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From Rick C@21:1/5 to bill....@ieee.org on Wed Mar 9 07:23:07 2022
    On Tuesday, March 8, 2022 at 11:14:50 PM UTC-5, bill....@ieee.org wrote:
    On Wednesday, March 9, 2022 at 2:20:09 PM UTC+11, Ed Lee wrote:
    On Tuesday, March 8, 2022 at 7:09:29 PM UTC-8, DecadentLinux...@decadence.org wrote:
    Ed Lee <edward....@gmail.com> wrote in news:79822e40-a7c5-4493...@googlegroups.com:
    On Tuesday, March 8, 2022 at 10:22:46 AM UTC-8, Ed Lee wrote:
    On Tuesday, March 8, 2022 at 8:52:50 AM UTC-8,
    jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
    On Sat, 5 Mar 2022 23:02:19 -0800 (PST), Flyguy
    <soar2...@yahoo.com> wrote:

    NATO countries must invest in their own SELF-DEFENSE, not
    depend on the "kindness" of Russia:
    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/germanys-dramatic-reversal
    -on-defense-explained/ar-AAUEagk?li=BBnb7Kz This was the
    typical libtard response to Trump's demands that felt
    self-defense was an outdated idea:
    https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2018/07/trump-nato-de
    fense-four-percent/564911/
    Yes, he had that annoying habit of being right.

    https://www.breitbart.com/europe/2022/03/08/europes-russian-gas-
    addiction-under-pressure-as-kremlin-threatens-to-cut-supply/
    We have plenty of oil and gas at cost of $20 to $30 in NSea &
    GOM, if not being choked off by environmentalist. I know we need
    to reduce fossil fuels, but only when there are alternatives.

    $150 oil will start demand destructions via recessions. Problem
    will be solved one way or another.

    Agree with what he said: https://oilprice.com/Energy/Crude-Oil/Canceling-Keystone-XL-May-Hav e-Been-Bidens-Biggest-Blunder.html

    Furthermore, killing Keystone XL forces upto 830,000 bpd to pump
    into Vancouver, load onto tanker, ship pass Panama, onto Gulf
    coast refiners to mix with lighter crude. That's making Canadian
    oil more expensive than necessary and choking off supply.

    Thank you but no thank, Mr. President.

    Damn, you are truly stupid, boy!

    There was not nor would there not be 830kbpd through your precious pipeline, you seem to only want to jack off at the mouth about in
    order to make the president look bad.

    Keystone XL will expand capacity by 830k bpd. Canadian oil producer will match production with pipeline capacity. Without the additional capability, Canadian oil is NOT competitive with others. The link previously provided said "Bidens-Biggest-
    Blunder", not me.
    A website labeled oilprice.com isn't gong to be sympathetic to any efforts to reduce anthropogenic global warming.

    It is sand oil and they are not moving/producing those levels at
    all, and UNTIL any said pipeline would have been completed and tested and the feeder process facility got built (another thing you have no clue about), they would/will be/ and ARE moving any they produce in
    the exact way they have this entire time.

    This is aside from the FACT that we are moving AWAY from petrol
    wherever we can. You should just grow the fuck up, Lee. You
    analysis acumen rests firmly at zero, because you have pre-baised yourself to be a blame blame blame game TrumpTarded idiot.

    Sure, you can stop driving your car and heating your home, but you have no right to ask other people to move AWAY from petrol when you are not doing it yourself.
    Of course if you drive an electric car, and use an electrically driven heat pump to heat your home, and make sure that your electricity supply is entirely renewable, you have every right to ask other people to be just as careful. Ed Lee doesn't seem to
    realise that these options exist.

    At the moment, the renewable electric supply just means that enough of your suppliers electricity is generated from renewable source to always cover the people who are prepared to pay extra to get their supply labelled as renewable, bu the fact that
    renewable electricity generators are now the cheapest sources of electricity pretty much guarantees that whole supply will eventually be renewable, even without the nasty side effects of anthropogenic global warming to encourage the switch-over.

    Not until the cost of storage is considered as well. 100% renewable energy is going to require massive amounts of storage. We are a long, long way from that being economical.

    While we like to think we look at all the facts and decide to do the "right" thing, as a group, we tend to respond to market and cost pressures. Renewables will have to be as cheap or at least close to the price of fossil fueled energy before we will
    switch over completely.

    Heck, even then there are significant sources of carbon we may never be able to eliminate, like the release of CO2 from concrete manufacturing. Again, it can be done, but so far, only at huge cost. Electricity is only one part of the equation.

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  • From Ed Lee@21:1/5 to bill....@ieee.org on Wed Mar 9 07:44:42 2022
    On Tuesday, March 8, 2022 at 10:27:57 PM UTC-8, bill....@ieee.org wrote:
    ...
    Of course if you drive an electric car, and use an electrically driven heat pump to heat your home, and make sure that your electricity supply is entirely renewable, you have every right to ask other people to be just as careful. Ed Lee doesn't
    seem to realise that these options exist.

    I drive a Leaf EV and don't have A/C here. But i don't dictate what other people do.
    None of us can. But we can make it pretty clear what they ought to do.

    Even for EV. Electricity come from something. It's mostly coal in China and Nat. Gas in US.

    ...
    We are using record among of coal worldwide to replace limited oil and gas. Is that better for (not) global warming?
    It's not good, but that's more about increased energy use than any preference for coal-fired generators. If you've got them, you use them until you can install cheaper generating options. It isn't good for the planet, but it keeps your consumers happy (
    until they get flooded out by the consequences of climate change, which is what is happening in the Australian state of New South Wales where I happen to live, right now. Happily my wife and I live a long way above the local flood levels, but lots of
    others aren't as lucky).

    How is that different from using up the oil and gas while we can, until renewaables are up to speed? Coal is not as efficient energy source and end up with more CO2 than oil and gas. Transporting coal is also energy intensive/expensive as opposed to
    oil and gas piplines, until they figure out how to do coal pipeline. Choking off Canadian oil in the north and GoM drilling in the south force us to be more reliance on Putin's blood oil, and he was counting on it in Ukraine invasion.

    Fracking also need lot of water and sand, which is now expensive and in short supply. Shale wells are declining fast. GoM wells are hugely profitable and plentiful.

    Disclaimer: I have small positions on RIG (avg cost $2), which more than double in past few weeks. RIG was in the Burger King (BanKrupcy) dollar menu.

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  • From StupidAs StupidGet@21:1/5 to Ed Lee on Wed Mar 9 07:59:22 2022
    On Wednesday, March 9, 2022 at 7:44:50 AM UTC-8, Ed Lee wrote:
    On Tuesday, March 8, 2022 at 10:27:57 PM UTC-8, bill....@ieee.org wrote:
    ...
    Of course if you drive an electric car, and use an electrically driven heat pump to heat your home, and make sure that your electricity supply is entirely renewable, you have every right to ask other people to be just as careful. Ed Lee doesn't
    seem to realise that these options exist.

    I drive a Leaf EV and don't have A/C here. But i don't dictate what other people do.
    None of us can. But we can make it pretty clear what they ought to do.
    Even for EV. Electricity come from something. It's mostly coal in China and Nat. Gas in US.

    ...
    We are using record among of coal worldwide to replace limited oil and gas. Is that better for (not) global warming?
    It's not good, but that's more about increased energy use than any preference for coal-fired generators. If you've got them, you use them until you can install cheaper generating options. It isn't good for the planet, but it keeps your consumers
    happy (until they get flooded out by the consequences of climate change, which is what is happening in the Australian state of New South Wales where I happen to live, right now. Happily my wife and I live a long way above the local flood levels, but lots
    of others aren't as lucky).
    How is that different from using up the oil and gas while we can, until renewaables are up to speed? Coal is not as efficient energy source and end up with more CO2 than oil and gas. Transporting coal is also energy intensive/expensive as opposed to
    oil and gas piplines, until they figure out how to do coal pipeline. Choking off Canadian oil in the north and GoM drilling in the south force us to be more reliance on Putin's blood oil, and he was counting on it in Ukraine invasion.

    Fracking also need lot of water and sand, which is now expensive and in short supply. Shale wells are declining fast. GoM wells are hugely profitable and plentiful.

    Disclaimer: I have small positions on RIG (avg cost $2), which more than double in past few weeks. RIG was in the Burger King (BanKrupcy) dollar menu.

    Remember DW Horizon?

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  • From Ed Lee@21:1/5 to StupidAs StupidGet on Wed Mar 9 08:08:03 2022
    On Wednesday, March 9, 2022 at 7:59:29 AM UTC-8, StupidAs StupidGet wrote:
    On Wednesday, March 9, 2022 at 7:44:50 AM UTC-8, Ed Lee wrote:
    On Tuesday, March 8, 2022 at 10:27:57 PM UTC-8, bill....@ieee.org wrote: ...
    Of course if you drive an electric car, and use an electrically driven heat pump to heat your home, and make sure that your electricity supply is entirely renewable, you have every right to ask other people to be just as careful. Ed Lee doesn't
    seem to realise that these options exist.

    I drive a Leaf EV and don't have A/C here. But i don't dictate what other people do.
    None of us can. But we can make it pretty clear what they ought to do.
    Even for EV. Electricity come from something. It's mostly coal in China and Nat. Gas in US.

    ...
    We are using record among of coal worldwide to replace limited oil and gas. Is that better for (not) global warming?
    It's not good, but that's more about increased energy use than any preference for coal-fired generators. If you've got them, you use them until you can install cheaper generating options. It isn't good for the planet, but it keeps your consumers
    happy (until they get flooded out by the consequences of climate change, which is what is happening in the Australian state of New South Wales where I happen to live, right now. Happily my wife and I live a long way above the local flood levels, but lots
    of others aren't as lucky).
    How is that different from using up the oil and gas while we can, until renewaables are up to speed? Coal is not as efficient energy source and end up with more CO2 than oil and gas. Transporting coal is also energy intensive/expensive as opposed to
    oil and gas piplines, until they figure out how to do coal pipeline. Choking off Canadian oil in the north and GoM drilling in the south force us to be more reliance on Putin's blood oil, and he was counting on it in Ukraine invasion.

    Fracking also need lot of water and sand, which is now expensive and in short supply. Shale wells are declining fast. GoM wells are hugely profitable and plentiful.

    Disclaimer: I have small positions on RIG (avg cost $2), which more than double in past few weeks. RIG was in the Burger King (BanKrupcy) dollar menu.
    Remember DW Horizon?

    I knew someone would bring that up. How can we forget? BP took the hit in Deepwater Horizon. RIG took the hit in memory of Deepwater Horizon. But we cannot keep living in the past. We can't get high enough supply without deep water oil. I suggest
    having preventive containment boom around drilling rigs at all time, not just after an accident. And that is for all existing and new rigs.

    Disclaimer: Have financial interest in Deep Water Pusher.

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  • From DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno@decadenc@21:1/5 to Rick C on Wed Mar 9 17:09:15 2022
    Rick C <gnuarm.deletethisbit@gmail.com> wrote in news:3ac2d52c-4f01-43bf-8c48-493ea1cc592cn@googlegroups.com:

    Not until the cost of storage is considered as well. 100%
    renewable energy is going to require massive amounts of storage.
    We are a long, long way from that being economical.


    Wind generators are direct AC grid attached items. Solar requires conversion, but not neccesarily storage. Ideally there would be a
    storage "buffer".

    Economical? Have you seen the storms this year. Tornados in
    Kentucky in mid December. Freezes in Texas where it rarely happened
    before, if ever.

    Sure we might take a hit catching up to easy power generation using
    fossil fuels as we transition to less pollutive means, but that does
    not change the FACT that it is what we need to do.

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  • From Rick C@21:1/5 to Ed Lee on Wed Mar 9 09:11:24 2022
    On Wednesday, March 9, 2022 at 10:44:50 AM UTC-5, Ed Lee wrote:
    On Tuesday, March 8, 2022 at 10:27:57 PM UTC-8, bill....@ieee.org wrote:
    ...
    Of course if you drive an electric car, and use an electrically driven heat pump to heat your home, and make sure that your electricity supply is entirely renewable, you have every right to ask other people to be just as careful. Ed Lee doesn't
    seem to realise that these options exist.

    I drive a Leaf EV and don't have A/C here. But i don't dictate what other people do.
    None of us can. But we can make it pretty clear what they ought to do.
    Even for EV. Electricity come from something. It's mostly coal in China and Nat. Gas in US.

    Even if from the electric grid, BEVs are so much more efficient than ICE it still releases a lot less carbon into the atmosphere. More importantly, with BEVs you have a choice. Many BEV owners have solar at home which they charge the car from.
    Renewables will become more prevalent and BEVs will exploit that even if the owner has no home renewable energy sources.


    We are using record among of coal worldwide to replace limited oil and gas. Is that better for (not) global warming?
    It's not good, but that's more about increased energy use than any preference for coal-fired generators. If you've got them, you use them until you can install cheaper generating options. It isn't good for the planet, but it keeps your consumers
    happy (until they get flooded out by the consequences of climate change, which is what is happening in the Australian state of New South Wales where I happen to live, right now. Happily my wife and I live a long way above the local flood levels, but lots
    of others aren't as lucky).
    How is that different from using up the oil and gas while we can, until renewaables are up to speed? Coal is not as efficient energy source and end up with more CO2 than oil and gas. Transporting coal is also energy intensive/expensive as opposed to
    oil and gas piplines, until they figure out how to do coal pipeline. Choking off Canadian oil in the north and GoM drilling in the south force us to be more reliance on Putin's blood oil, and he was counting on it in Ukraine invasion.

    Less so every year as BEVs ascend and ICE falls.


    Fracking also need lot of water and sand, which is now expensive and in short supply. Shale wells are declining fast. GoM wells are hugely profitable and plentiful.

    Until the next oil disaster. We always dismiss accidents as being an exception. Deepwater Horizon was an exception because of BP's carelessness, it won't happen again. Fukushima was an exception because of poor design, that won't happen again. The
    West Fertilizer Company explosion was an accident caused by improper storage of dangerous chemicals, that won't happen again. Yet, they continue to happen.

    Oil wells are a blight either on land or on water. We need to ramp up renewables and get enough storage online to make it possible to eliminate fossil fuels.

    --

    Rick C.

    -+ Get 1,000 miles of free Supercharging
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  • From DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno@decadenc@21:1/5 to Rick C on Wed Mar 9 17:14:01 2022
    Rick C <gnuarm.deletethisbit@gmail.com> wrote in news:3ac2d52c-4f01-43bf-8c48-493ea1cc592cn@googlegroups.com:

    Heck, even then there are significant sources of carbon we may
    never be able to eliminate, like the release of CO2 from concrete manufacturing. Again, it can be done, but so far, only at huge
    cost.

    You act like no one sees what is involved but you bean counting
    retards caim to be all knowing.

    Electricity is only one part of the equation.

    Pissing and moaning about it should NOT be another.

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  • From DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno@decadenc@21:1/5 to Rick C on Wed Mar 9 17:12:22 2022
    Rick C <gnuarm.deletethisbit@gmail.com> wrote in news:3ac2d52c-4f01-43bf-8c48-493ea1cc592cn@googlegroups.com:

    While we like to think we look at all the facts and decide to do
    the "right" thing, as a group, we tend to respond to market and
    cost pressures. Renewables will have to be as cheap or at least
    close to the price of fossil fueled energy before we will switch
    over completely.

    100% horseshit.

    There is still a bar in Denver where the overhead fans are all
    operated by a single leather belt that strings through them all.
    Back in the days of steam, the cost of conversion to electric was very expensive, even though electric was far cheaper to make. The hardware
    took some time to get implemented.

    That is where we are now. We WILL go green. Period. and it should
    never be the choice of a horse blindered set of fools like yourself
    pissing and moaning about the economy, stupid.

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  • From Rick C@21:1/5 to DecadentLinux...@decadence.org on Wed Mar 9 09:20:05 2022
    On Wednesday, March 9, 2022 at 12:09:25 PM UTC-5, DecadentLinux...@decadence.org wrote:
    Rick C <gnuarm.del...@gmail.com> wrote in news:3ac2d52c-4f01-43bf...@googlegroups.com:
    Not until the cost of storage is considered as well. 100%
    renewable energy is going to require massive amounts of storage.
    We are a long, long way from that being economical.

    Wind generators are direct AC grid attached items. Solar requires conversion, but not neccesarily storage. Ideally there would be a
    storage "buffer".

    Not sure what you mean. Wind turbines do not directly generate the 50/60Hz AC required for the grid. The rational speed is far to irregular for that. The power is converted from AC to DC to AC or sometimes they do a direct AC to AC, but I've not read
    how that works, it may just be the same AC to DC to AC with a different label.


    Economical? Have you seen the storms this year. Tornados in
    Kentucky in mid December. Freezes in Texas where it rarely happened
    before, if ever.

    That's simply not true. I attended a football game in Dallas once and had to go home because it was snowing and I didn't have clothes warm enough. I guess it depends on your definition of "rare". That's why we work with averages and other statistical
    measures of climate. Anecdotal extreme cases are a poor way to measure climate.

    --

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  • From Ed Lee@21:1/5 to gnuarm.del...@gmail.com on Wed Mar 9 09:23:38 2022
    On Wednesday, March 9, 2022 at 9:11:33 AM UTC-8, gnuarm.del...@gmail.com wrote:
    On Wednesday, March 9, 2022 at 10:44:50 AM UTC-5, Ed Lee wrote:
    On Tuesday, March 8, 2022 at 10:27:57 PM UTC-8, bill....@ieee.org wrote: ...
    Of course if you drive an electric car, and use an electrically driven heat pump to heat your home, and make sure that your electricity supply is entirely renewable, you have every right to ask other people to be just as careful. Ed Lee doesn't
    seem to realise that these options exist.

    I drive a Leaf EV and don't have A/C here. But i don't dictate what other people do.
    None of us can. But we can make it pretty clear what they ought to do.
    Even for EV. Electricity come from something. It's mostly coal in China and Nat. Gas in US.
    Even if from the electric grid, BEVs are so much more efficient than ICE it still releases a lot less carbon into the atmosphere. More importantly, with BEVs you have a choice. Many BEV owners have solar at home which they charge the car from.
    Renewables will become more prevalent and BEVs will exploit that even if the owner has no home renewable energy sources.
    We are using record among of coal worldwide to replace limited oil and gas. Is that better for (not) global warming?
    It's not good, but that's more about increased energy use than any preference for coal-fired generators. If you've got them, you use them until you can install cheaper generating options. It isn't good for the planet, but it keeps your consumers
    happy (until they get flooded out by the consequences of climate change, which is what is happening in the Australian state of New South Wales where I happen to live, right now. Happily my wife and I live a long way above the local flood levels, but lots
    of others aren't as lucky).
    How is that different from using up the oil and gas while we can, until renewaables are up to speed? Coal is not as efficient energy source and end up with more CO2 than oil and gas. Transporting coal is also energy intensive/expensive as opposed to
    oil and gas piplines, until they figure out how to do coal pipeline. Choking off Canadian oil in the north and GoM drilling in the south force us to be more reliance on Putin's blood oil, and he was counting on it in Ukraine invasion.
    Less so every year as BEVs ascend and ICE falls.
    Fracking also need lot of water and sand, which is now expensive and in short supply. Shale wells are declining fast. GoM wells are hugely profitable and plentiful.
    Until the next oil disaster. We always dismiss accidents as being an exception. Deepwater Horizon was an exception because of BP's carelessness, it won't happen again. Fukushima was an exception because of poor design, that won't happen again. The West
    Fertilizer Company explosion was an accident caused by improper storage of dangerous chemicals, that won't happen again. Yet, they continue to happen.

    No, we expect that to happen again. Multi-level containment booms would be far cheaper than the $100B BP spent in cleaning up. The problem was that they were unable to put in booms fast enough. Once they have the containment booms, much of the oil was
    recovered.


    Oil wells are a blight either on land or on water. We need to ramp up renewables and get enough storage online to make it possible to eliminate fossil fuels.

    Until then, we still need fossil.

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  • From DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno@decadenc@21:1/5 to Ed Lee on Wed Mar 9 17:20:51 2022
    Ed Lee <edward.ming.lee@gmail.com> wrote in news:d7b52a49-e173-4f42-b33d-f85a427efb25n@googlegroups.com:

    How is that different from using up the oil and gas while we can,
    until renewaables are up to speed?

    NOT "using it up" you fucking idiot. Backing the fuck off of it.
    Leaving what remains the fuck alone. Damn you are stupid.

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  • From DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno@decadenc@21:1/5 to Ed Lee on Wed Mar 9 17:24:30 2022
    Ed Lee <edward.ming.lee@gmail.com> wrote in news:cb015e70-ae54-4ba9- 9451-bf2ce1f08b72n@googlegroups.com:

    But we cannot keep living in the past.

    EXACTLY YOU RETARDED FUCK!

    Why do you think they call it ALTERNATIVE fuels?
    Stupid little TrumpTwerp.

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  • From DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno@decadenc@21:1/5 to Ed Lee on Wed Mar 9 17:33:49 2022
    Ed Lee <edward.ming.lee@gmail.com> wrote in news:2f20907e-7dea-44ed- 9567-1c4d4bae3a9dn@googlegroups.com:


    Until then, we still need fossil.



    Some but far less. So much less, in fact, that we did NOT need
    another pipeline. The very reason it was killed. D'Oh!

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  • From Ed Lee@21:1/5 to DecadentLinux...@decadence.org on Wed Mar 9 09:46:34 2022
    On Wednesday, March 9, 2022 at 9:33:59 AM UTC-8, DecadentLinux...@decadence.org wrote:
    Ed Lee <edward....@gmail.com> wrote in news:2f20907e-7dea-44ed- 9567-1c4d...@googlegroups.com:

    Until then, we still need fossil.


    Some but far less. So much less, in fact, that we did NOT need
    another pipeline. The very reason it was killed. D'Oh!

    We are still importing 10% from Russia, and now want to switch to bloodless (less but not none) Iranian and Venezuelan oil. And we could have supply more energy to European allies to reduce dependence on Russian blood oil.

    Suppliers and customers need the pipeline. Canadian syrup are still being used, but at higher transport costs via sea tankers, which doesn't help the environment at all.

    We will have $100 (wo/war) to $150 (w/war) oil from now on.

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  • From Lasse Langwadt Christensen@21:1/5 to All on Wed Mar 9 09:47:50 2022
    onsdag den 9. marts 2022 kl. 18.20.14 UTC+1 skrev gnuarm.del...@gmail.com:
    On Wednesday, March 9, 2022 at 12:09:25 PM UTC-5, DecadentLinux...@decadence.org wrote:
    Rick C <gnuarm.del...@gmail.com> wrote in news:3ac2d52c-4f01-43bf...@googlegroups.com:
    Not until the cost of storage is considered as well. 100%
    renewable energy is going to require massive amounts of storage.
    We are a long, long way from that being economical.

    Wind generators are direct AC grid attached items. Solar requires conversion, but not neccesarily storage. Ideally there would be a
    storage "buffer".
    Not sure what you mean. Wind turbines do not directly generate the 50/60Hz AC required for the grid. The rational speed is far to irregular for that. The power is converted from AC to DC to AC or sometimes they do a direct AC to AC, but I've not read
    how that works, it may just be the same AC to DC to AC with a different label.


    Most of them do directly generate 50/60Hz AC

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doubly-fed_electric_machine#Double-fed_induction_generator

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  • From DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno@decadenc@21:1/5 to Rick C on Wed Mar 9 17:32:41 2022
    Rick C <gnuarm.deletethisbit@gmail.com> wrote in news:5f2fb8ea-ec63- 40f6-8954-c8db33c7515bn@googlegroups.com:

    but I've not read how that works,

    Right. Yet you expound.

    They have reduction gear fitted towers that can easily maintain the
    proper spindle speed at the generation shaft.

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  • From Jasen Betts@21:1/5 to Rick C on Thu Mar 10 00:37:07 2022
    On 2022-03-09, Rick C <gnuarm.deletethisbit@gmail.com> wrote:
    On Wednesday, March 9, 2022 at 12:09:25 PM UTC-5, DecadentLinux...@decadence.org wrote:
    Rick C <gnuarm.del...@gmail.com> wrote in
    news:3ac2d52c-4f01-43bf...@googlegroups.com:
    Not until the cost of storage is considered as well. 100%
    renewable energy is going to require massive amounts of storage.
    We are a long, long way from that being economical.

    Wind generators are direct AC grid attached items. Solar requires
    conversion, but not neccesarily storage. Ideally there would be a
    storage "buffer".

    Not sure what you mean. Wind turbines do not directly generate the
    50/60Hz AC required for the grid. The rational speed is far to
    irregular for that. The power is converted from AC to DC to AC or
    sometimes they do a direct AC to AC, but I've not read how that works,
    it may just be the same AC to DC to AC with a different label.

    Possibly something like a cycloconverter.

    Economical? Have you seen the storms this year. Tornados in
    Kentucky in mid December. Freezes in Texas where it rarely happened
    before, if ever.

    That's simply not true. I attended a football game in Dallas once and had to go home because it was snowing and I didn't have clothes warm enough. I guess it depends on your definition of "rare". That's why we work with averages and other
    statistical measures of climate. Anecdotal extreme cases are a poor way to measure climate.

    It happened to you once, I'd call that rare.



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    Jasen.

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  • From DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno@decadenc@21:1/5 to Ed Lee on Thu Mar 10 04:01:01 2022
    Ed Lee <edward.ming.lee@gmail.com> wrote in news:296d537d-beb4-48d1-bbbe-c1d8f1e2c10fn@googlegroups.com:

    On Wednesday, March 9, 2022 at 9:33:59 AM UTC-8, DecadentLinux...@decadence.org wrote:
    Ed Lee <edward....@gmail.com> wrote in news:2f20907e-7dea-44ed-
    9567-1c4d...@googlegroups.com:

    Until then, we still need fossil.

    Some but far less. So much less, in fact, that we did NOT need
    another pipeline. The very reason it was killed. D'Oh!

    We are still importing 10% from Russia, and now want to switch to
    bloodless (less but not none) Iranian and Venezuelan oil. And we
    could have supply more energy to European allies to reduce
    dependence on Russian blood oil.

    Suppliers and customers need the pipeline.

    You are an idiot.

    Canadian syrup are
    still being used, but at higher transport costs via sea tankers,

    Nope. Tanker Trucks, just like always, and don't forget rail cars
    and even river barges.

    You really are one stupid motherfucker, you TrumpTainted,
    TrumpTarded idiot.

    which doesn't help the environment at all.

    Do you know how much carbon was "emitted" just to build the Alaska
    pipeline? It took years and hundreds of vehicles and thousands of
    tones of burned fuel to merely clear the path. More then to actually
    build it. It did save but that was years later.

    You just have no bigger picture capacity in that little skull
    cavity you got there. That's what happens when you let it grow to
    four inches in thickness.

    We will have $100 (wo/war) to $150 (w/war) oil from now on.

    OK idiot... I found your answer as to why we have higher prices,
    and it is spot on and from an actual expert with actual highly up to
    date information.

    You ready chump? This should show everyone here EXACTLY why the
    price went up.

    <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hA2e9fFiZB0>

    So, IDIOT... TRUMP WAS NEVER RIGHT.

    No... NOT ONCE IN HIS ENTIRE PATHETIC LIFE! WAKE UP!

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  • From StupidAs StupidGet@21:1/5 to All on Thu Mar 10 01:03:08 2022
    So, IDIOT... TRUMP WAS NEVER RIGHT.

    No... NOT ONCE IN I HIS ENTIRE PATHETIC LIFE! WAKE UP!

    Yes, we are idiots. I am a future version of you. We are bullies in the street and spammers on internet. We are FFF and CCC.

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  • From Rick C@21:1/5 to lang...@fonz.dk on Thu Mar 10 13:41:03 2022
    On Wednesday, March 9, 2022 at 12:47:59 PM UTC-5, lang...@fonz.dk wrote:
    onsdag den 9. marts 2022 kl. 18.20.14 UTC+1 skrev gnuarm.del...@gmail.com:
    On Wednesday, March 9, 2022 at 12:09:25 PM UTC-5, DecadentLinux...@decadence.org wrote:
    Rick C <gnuarm.del...@gmail.com> wrote in news:3ac2d52c-4f01-43bf...@googlegroups.com:
    Not until the cost of storage is considered as well. 100%
    renewable energy is going to require massive amounts of storage.
    We are a long, long way from that being economical.

    Wind generators are direct AC grid attached items. Solar requires conversion, but not neccesarily storage. Ideally there would be a storage "buffer".
    Not sure what you mean. Wind turbines do not directly generate the 50/60Hz AC required for the grid. The rational speed is far to irregular for that. The power is converted from AC to DC to AC or sometimes they do a direct AC to AC, but I've not read
    how that works, it may just be the same AC to DC to AC with a different label.

    Most of them do directly generate 50/60Hz AC

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doubly-fed_electric_machine#Double-fed_induction_generator

    You learn something every day.

    Thanks,

    --

    Rick C.

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  • From Rick C@21:1/5 to Flyguy on Thu Mar 10 13:42:23 2022
    On Sunday, March 6, 2022 at 2:02:26 AM UTC-5, Flyguy wrote:
    NATO countries must invest in their own SELF-DEFENSE, not depend on the "kindness" of Russia:
    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/germanys-dramatic-reversal-on-defense-explained/ar-AAUEagk?li=BBnb7Kz
    This was the typical libtard response to Trump's demands that felt self-defense was an outdated idea:
    https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2018/07/trump-nato-defense-four-percent/564911/

    I believe it was Trmp who said, "I'd rather be right than President!"

    He got his wish... at least part of it.

    --

    Rick C.

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  • From Rick C@21:1/5 to Jasen Betts on Thu Mar 10 13:38:10 2022
    On Wednesday, March 9, 2022 at 8:01:03 PM UTC-5, Jasen Betts wrote:
    On 2022-03-09, Rick C <gnuarm.del...@gmail.com> wrote:
    On Wednesday, March 9, 2022 at 12:09:25 PM UTC-5, DecadentLinux...@decadence.org wrote:
    Rick C <gnuarm.del...@gmail.com> wrote in
    news:3ac2d52c-4f01-43bf...@googlegroups.com:
    Not until the cost of storage is considered as well. 100%
    renewable energy is going to require massive amounts of storage.
    We are a long, long way from that being economical.

    Wind generators are direct AC grid attached items. Solar requires
    conversion, but not neccesarily storage. Ideally there would be a
    storage "buffer".

    Not sure what you mean. Wind turbines do not directly generate the
    50/60Hz AC required for the grid. The rational speed is far to
    irregular for that. The power is converted from AC to DC to AC or >sometimes they do a direct AC to AC, but I've not read how that works,
    it may just be the same AC to DC to AC with a different label.
    Possibly something like a cycloconverter.
    Economical? Have you seen the storms this year. Tornados in
    Kentucky in mid December. Freezes in Texas where it rarely happened
    before, if ever.

    That's simply not true. I attended a football game in Dallas once and had to go home because it was snowing and I didn't have clothes warm enough. I guess it depends on your definition of "rare". That's why we work with averages and other statistical
    measures of climate. Anecdotal extreme cases are a poor way to measure climate.
    It happened to you once, I'd call that rare.

    I've only been to Texas twice so it happened 50% of the time. :)

    --

    Rick C.

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  • From Flyguy@21:1/5 to DecadentLinux...@decadence.org on Fri Mar 11 18:03:56 2022
    On Wednesday, March 9, 2022 at 8:01:11 PM UTC-8, DecadentLinux...@decadence.org wrote:
    Ed Lee <edward....@gmail.com> wrote in news:296d537d-beb4-48d1...@googlegroups.com:
    On Wednesday, March 9, 2022 at 9:33:59 AM UTC-8, DecadentLinux...@decadence.org wrote:
    Ed Lee <edward....@gmail.com> wrote in news:2f20907e-7dea-44ed-
    9567-1c4d...@googlegroups.com:

    Until then, we still need fossil.

    Some but far less. So much less, in fact, that we did NOT need
    another pipeline. The very reason it was killed. D'Oh!

    We are still importing 10% from Russia, and now want to switch to
    bloodless (less but not none) Iranian and Venezuelan oil. And we
    could have supply more energy to European allies to reduce
    dependence on Russian blood oil.

    Suppliers and customers need the pipeline.
    You are an idiot.
    Canadian syrup are
    still being used, but at higher transport costs via sea tankers,
    Nope. Tanker Trucks, just like always, and don't forget rail cars
    and even river barges.

    You really are one stupid motherfucker, you TrumpTainted,
    TrumpTarded idiot.
    which doesn't help the environment at all.
    Do you know how much carbon was "emitted" just to build the Alaska
    pipeline? It took years and hundreds of vehicles and thousands of
    tones of burned fuel to merely clear the path. More then to actually
    build it. It did save but that was years later.

    You just have no bigger picture capacity in that little skull
    cavity you got there. That's what happens when you let it grow to
    four inches in thickness.
    We will have $100 (wo/war) to $150 (w/war) oil from now on.
    OK idiot... I found your answer as to why we have higher prices,
    and it is spot on and from an actual expert with actual highly up to
    date information.

    You ready chump? This should show everyone here EXACTLY why the
    price went up.

    <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hA2e9fFiZB0>

    So, IDIOT... TRUMP WAS NEVER RIGHT.

    No... NOT ONCE IN HIS ENTIRE PATHETIC LIFE! WAKE UP!

    I understand HOW DIFFICULT it is for you libtards to admit this, but it IS TRUE!!!!!

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  • From DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno@decadenc@21:1/5 to DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno@decadenc on Sat Mar 12 02:46:10 2022
    DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno@decadence.org wrote in news:t0bt5s$1lbd$1@gioia.aioe.org:

    Ed Lee <edward.ming.lee@gmail.com> wrote in news:296d537d-beb4-48d1-bbbe-c1d8f1e2c10fn@googlegroups.com:

    On Wednesday, March 9, 2022 at 9:33:59 AM UTC-8,
    DecadentLinux...@decadence.org wrote:
    Ed Lee <edward....@gmail.com> wrote in news:2f20907e-7dea-44ed-
    9567-1c4d...@googlegroups.com:

    Until then, we still need fossil.

    Some but far less. So much less, in fact, that we did NOT need
    another pipeline. The very reason it was killed. D'Oh!

    We are still importing 10% from Russia, and now want to switch to
    bloodless (less but not none) Iranian and Venezuelan oil. And we
    could have supply more energy to European allies to reduce
    dependence on Russian blood oil.

    Suppliers and customers need the pipeline.

    You are an idiot.

    Canadian syrup are
    still being used, but at higher transport costs via sea tankers,

    Nope. Tanker Trucks, just like always, and don't forget rail
    cars
    and even river barges.

    You really are one stupid motherfucker, you TrumpTainted,
    TrumpTarded idiot.

    which doesn't help the environment at all.

    Do you know how much carbon was "emitted" just to build the
    Alaska
    pipeline? It took years and hundreds of vehicles and thousands of
    tones of burned fuel to merely clear the path. More then to
    actually build it. It did save but that was years later.

    You just have no bigger picture capacity in that little skull
    cavity you got there. That's what happens when you let it grow to
    four inches in thickness.

    We will have $100 (wo/war) to $150 (w/war) oil from now on.

    OK idiot... I found your answer as to why we have higher
    prices,
    and it is spot on and from an actual expert with actual highly up
    to date information.

    You ready chump? This should show everyone here EXACTLY why the
    price went up.

    <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hA2e9fFiZB0>

    So, IDIOT... TRUMP WAS NEVER RIGHT.

    No... NOT ONCE IN HIS ENTIRE PATHETIC LIFE! WAKE UP!

    I notice the Lee O Tard has yet to respond to finally getting the
    actual facts presented to him / her / it.

    Maybe he actually woke up.

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  • From Anthony William Sloman@21:1/5 to Flyguy on Sat Mar 12 02:02:05 2022
    On Saturday, March 12, 2022 at 1:04:03 PM UTC+11, Flyguy wrote:
    On Wednesday, March 9, 2022 at 8:01:11 PM UTC-8, DecadentLinux...@decadence.org wrote:
    Ed Lee <edward....@gmail.com> wrote in news:296d537d-beb4-48d1...@googlegroups.com:
    On Wednesday, March 9, 2022 at 9:33:59 AM UTC-8, DecadentLinux...@decadence.org wrote:
    Ed Lee <edward....@gmail.com> wrote in news:2f20907e-7dea-44ed- 9567-1c4d...@googlegroups.com:

    <snip>

    OK idiot... I found your answer as to why we have higher prices,
    and it is spot on and from an actual expert with actual highly up to
    date information.

    You ready chump? This should show everyone here EXACTLY why the
    price went up.

    <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hA2e9fFiZB0>

    So, IDIOT... TRUMP WAS NEVER RIGHT.

    No... NOT ONCE IN HIS ENTIRE PATHETIC LIFE! WAKE UP!

    I understand HOW DIFFICULT it is for you libtards to admit this, but it IS TRUE!!!!!

    Flyguy doesn't understand very much at all, but he does find it easy to imagine that everything he sees and reads supports what he wants to believe.

    His idea of "truth" can best be translated as "fits with Flyguy's delusions". It's not the way the rest of us understand the word, but then neither is Flyguy's use of the word
    "understanding".
    --
    Bill Sloman, Sydney

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