• Re: OT: Zelensky wants demilitarized zones around Ukraine's nuclear pow

    From Rick C@21:1/5 to John Doe on Fri Mar 4 23:03:54 2022
    On Saturday, March 5, 2022 at 1:33:24 AM UTC-5, John Doe wrote:
    He should have never given up his job as a comedian...

    There's no need to attack the nuke plants. The electric supply is what they wish to cut off. That can be done by attacking the power lines. Fighting around the nuke plants is very dangerous and can lead to radioactive contamination of a large area.
    But I suppose Putin doesn't care. It's not his country... yet.

    --

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  • From Anthony William Sloman@21:1/5 to John Doe on Fri Mar 4 23:10:24 2022
    On Saturday, March 5, 2022 at 5:33:24 PM UTC+11, John Doe wrote:
    He should have never given up his job as a comedian...

    He was more a satirist than a comedian, and his satire was pointed enough to get him elected as the replacement for the guy he was satirising.

    And he has got a legitimate point - it's really stupid to shell a nuclear plant, because you never know what you might hit, and the down-side of hitting precisely the wrong thing is a lot radio-active waste getting into the local environment.

    John Doe hasn't really got it into his head that nuclear plants are potential disaster areas of a particularly nasty sort. He thinks that the Germans are insane because they got the message broadcast by Fukushima, which doesn't seem to have been notice
    by John Doe (who doesn't seem to be all that sane.himself).

    --
    Bill Sloman, Sydney

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  • From Anthony William Sloman@21:1/5 to John Doe on Sat Mar 5 00:39:17 2022
    On Saturday, March 5, 2022 at 7:33:22 PM UTC+11, John Doe wrote:
    Bill is a cannibal leftist who couldn't care less about anybody or anything, not even himself.

    John Doe really should get back onto his anti-psychotic medication. His fantasies have become utterly absurd.

    "Cannibal leftist"? Couldn't care less? If I couldn't care less I wouldn't bother to jeer at his nonsense.

    <snipped the rest of the nonsense>

    --
    Bill Sloman, Sydney

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  • From John Doe@21:1/5 to All on Sat Mar 5 08:32:34 2022
    Ricksy thinks it's a military advisor...

    Maybe the Russians want to CONTROL the electricity instead of just cutting it off.

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  • From John Doe@21:1/5 to All on Sat Mar 5 08:33:11 2022
    Bozo Bill is a cannibal leftist who couldn't care less about anybody or anything, not even himself.


    Bozo Bill Sloman is an attention-craving chronic liar who cannot be
    reasoned with...

    "the Mueller investigation was about Trump only because Trump made it so"
    (Bozo paraphrased)

    "the concepts "male" and "female" are essentially social constructions"
    (Bill Sloman)

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  • From John Doe@21:1/5 to All on Sat Mar 5 08:50:57 2022
    I found another live cam with audio!

    https://youtu.be/o-bTz0pgrqI

    The background noise from the same camera in almost ALL of the pages is
    totally annoying IMO.

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  • From Jan Panteltje@21:1/5 to always.look@message.header on Sat Mar 5 09:24:33 2022
    XPost: us.politics

    On a sunny day (Sat, 5 Mar 2022 08:32:34 -0000 (UTC)) it happened John Doe <always.look@message.header> wrote in <svv772$fqt$1@dont-email.me>:

    Ricksy thinks it's a military advisor...

    Maybe the Russians want to CONTROL the electricity instead of just cutting it >off.

    Zelinksky or whatever is name is is now a sad clown probably pushed forward by the CIA
    because any people liked his comics.

    Possible script of first conversation between Biden and Putin:
    Dear Mr Putin can you please invade Ukrain so we can eventually start a nuclear war
    where you hit the US so I can then finally get my agenda of 'build back better FROM THE GROUND
    enlisting all them suckers.
    Biden is the 'evil in disguise, puppet of US deep state.

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  • From John Doe@21:1/5 to Jan Panteltje on Sat Mar 5 09:43:54 2022
    XPost: us.politics, FREE.SPAM

    WHAT???

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    Jan Panteltje <pNaonStpealmtje@yahoo.com> wrote:

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    From: Jan Panteltje <pNaonStpealmtje@yahoo.com>
    Newsgroups: sci.electronics.design,us.politics
    Subject: Re: OT: Zelensky wants demilitarized zones around Ukraine's nuclear power plants
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    On a sunny day (Sat, 5 Mar 2022 08:32:34 -0000 (UTC)) it happened John Doe <always.look@message.header> wrote in <svv772$fqt$1@dont-email.me>:

    Ricksy thinks it's a military advisor...

    Maybe the Russians want to CONTROL the electricity instead of just cutting it >>off.

    Zelinksky or whatever is name is is now a sad clown probably pushed forward by the CIA
    because any people liked his comics.

    Possible script of first conversation between Biden and Putin:
    Dear Mr Putin can you please invade Ukrain so we can eventually start a nuclear war
    where you hit the US so I can then finally get my agenda of 'build back better FROM THE GROUND
    enlisting all them suckers.
    Biden is the 'evil in disguise, puppet of US deep state.







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  • From Jan Panteltje@21:1/5 to always.look@message.header on Sat Mar 5 09:56:20 2022
    On a sunny day (Sat, 5 Mar 2022 09:43:54 -0000 (UTC)) it happened John Doe <always.look@message.header> wrote in <svvbcq$djd$1@dont-email.me>:

    WHAT???

    Its spelled Watt

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  • From John Doe@21:1/5 to All on Sat Mar 5 14:21:34 2022
    Everybody is speaking English!

    Warms my heart.

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  • From John Doe@21:1/5 to Jan Panteltje on Sat Mar 5 14:18:27 2022
    Jan Panteltje wrote:

    John Doe wrote:

    WHAT???

    Its spelled Watt

    My bad!

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  • From Ed Lee@21:1/5 to John Doe on Sat Mar 5 09:08:01 2022
    On Friday, March 4, 2022 at 10:33:24 PM UTC-8, John Doe wrote:
    He should have never given up his job as a comedian...

    I watched some previews, he is pretty funny.
    Faked Merkel offered EU membership, ..., F@#$ Putin.

    Back to OnT: Putin agree, but he wants a 500 miles demilitarized zone.

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  • From Jan Panteltje@21:1/5 to edward.ming.lee@gmail.com on Sat Mar 5 17:27:56 2022
    On a sunny day (Sat, 5 Mar 2022 09:08:01 -0800 (PST)) it happened Ed Lee <edward.ming.lee@gmail.com> wrote in <828bcc21-a9d4-4f56-8efd-6a4e8ab39f4en@googlegroups.com>:

    On Friday, March 4, 2022 at 10:33:24 PM UTC-8, John Doe wrote:
    He should have never given up his job as a comedian...

    I watched some previews, he is pretty funny.
    Faked Merkel offered EU membership, ..., F@#$ Putin.

    Back to OnT: Putin agree, but he wants a 500 miles demilitarized zone.

    Zelensky now complains NATO is no good... does not help him..
    Next he will ask Biden for help
    Biden will then enlist 'merricans and have them killed in a war that will go nuclear in no time.

    That was probably the initial plan,
    Biden: will you invade Ukrain?
    Putin: Only if it gets more arms
    Biden: (to his puppeteers) that can be arranged

    CIA puppet zelensky just an other pawn in their game.

    Its all too beautiful....

    or something like that
    one flew over the Cuckoo's nest

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  • From John Doe@21:1/5 to All on Sat Mar 5 19:21:09 2022
    Shelling during the day, not live...

    https://youtu.be/h6pvh49jSNM

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  • From John Doe@21:1/5 to All on Sat Mar 5 19:41:22 2022
    https://youtu.be/3OyWrOimnD8

    The other alternative audio is gone, so there is another alternative audio.
    But it just started making a loud alarm kind of sound.

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  • From John Doe@21:1/5 to John Doe on Sun Mar 6 04:58:58 2022
    Still available.

    This one's main audio is different than the universal one with the nasty background noise.

    One of its live video scenes is about 22 seconds behind.





    John Doe <always.look@message.header> wrote:

    Shelling during the day, not live...

    https://youtu.be/h6pvh49jSNM


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  • From John Doe@21:1/5 to All on Sun Mar 6 05:10:09 2022
    https://youtu.be/iZebYm-nenY

    If you can handle the nasty background noise, that appears to be the best
    live view. It shows horizons in three of four windows. The audio appears to
    be current.

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  • From Anthony William Sloman@21:1/5 to John Doe on Sat Mar 5 21:31:07 2022
    On Sunday, March 6, 2022 at 4:10:20 PM UTC+11, John Doe wrote:
    https://youtu.be/iZebYm-nenY

    If you can handle the nasty background noise, that appears to be the best live view. It shows horizons in three of four windows. The audio appears to be current.

    Why is this supposed to be relevant to sci.electronics.design?

    When I want to hear about the Russian invasion of the Ukraine, I go to the mainstream media, not some source picked out by a psychopathic idiot like John Doe with a far-right agenda to promote.

    --
    Bill Sloman, Sydney

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  • From John Doe@21:1/5 to Sylvia Else on Sun Mar 6 05:58:56 2022
    Sylvia Else wrote:

    John Doe wrote:

    He should have never given up his job as a comedian...

    I'm wondering whether shelling the plant was intentional, at least at a
    high command level. The Russians don't seem that competent. I suspect it
    was just a mistake.

    If I'm right, a demilitarized zone would be ineffective.

    In a war... Disabling a critical resource like energy is a winner.
    Remember Star Wars "Walkers" taking out the generators? Zelensky condemned Russia's attack on its nuclear power plant. But of course he has troops
    trying to protect them.

    That's the joke... Condemning the enemy for taking out your power plants
    is like condemning the enemy for using bullets.

    Zelensky wants Ukrainians to take up pitchforks against the Russian army.

    He condemns NATO for not implementing a no-fly zone, for not starting
    World War III.

    He would sacrifice his own people and the whole world to keep his job.
    A typical politician.

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  • From Anthony William Sloman@21:1/5 to John Doe on Sat Mar 5 22:13:18 2022
    On Sunday, March 6, 2022 at 4:45:08 PM UTC+11, John Doe wrote:
    Bozo, a regular troll and my most frequent contributor, can't read "OT" in the subject line and acts unable to press the Ignore Thread key. Bozo is
    all lies, all the time.

    Of course I can read OT: and I could ignore your rubbish, but it's toxic rubbish, and really needs to be sign-posted as such.

    You are a dangerous lunatic, and do need to identified as such. That makes you the troll - another fact that you don't seem to be able to process.

    The problem you present is that you post lies more or less non-stop, but don't seem to have enough sense to realise that they are lies.

    --
    Bill Sloman, Sydney

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  • From John Doe@21:1/5 to All on Sun Mar 6 05:44:58 2022
    Bozo, a regular troll and my most frequent contributor, can't read "OT" in
    the subject line and acts unable to press the Ignore Thread key. Bozo is
    all lies, all the time.


    Bozo Bill Sloman is an attention-craving chronic liar who cannot be
    reasoned with...

    "the Mueller investigation was about Trump only because Trump made it so"
    (Bozo paraphrased)

    "the concepts "male" and "female" are essentially social constructions"
    (Bill Sloman)

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  • From Sylvia Else@21:1/5 to John Doe on Sun Mar 6 16:36:42 2022
    On 05-Mar-22 5:33 pm, John Doe wrote:
    He should have never given up his job as a comedian...

    I'm wondering whether shelling the plant was intentional, at least at a
    high command level. The Russians don't seem that competent. I suspect it
    was just a mistake.

    If I'm right, a demilitarized zone would be ineffective.

    Sylvia.

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  • From Anthony William Sloman@21:1/5 to John Doe on Sat Mar 5 22:33:03 2022
    On Sunday, March 6, 2022 at 4:59:06 PM UTC+11, John Doe wrote:
    Sylvia Else wrote:

    John Doe wrote:

    He should have never given up his job as a comedian...

    I'm wondering whether shelling the plant was intentional, at least at a high command level. The Russians don't seem that competent. I suspect it was just a mistake.

    If I'm right, a demilitarized zone would be ineffective.

    In a war... Disabling a critical resource like energy is a winner.

    Spreading radioactive contamination around in large quantities might give you are brief tactical advantage, but at a strategic level it would be suicidal.
    Russia's invasion of the Ukraine is a fairly suicidal strategic choice anyway, so it could be a higher level lunacy.

    Remember Star Wars "Walkers" taking out the generators? Zelensky condemned Russia's attack on its nuclear power plant. But of course he has troops trying to protect them.

    So what? "Star Wars" was a never either realistic or educational - using it as your example does remind us precisely how childish your ideas are.

    That's the joke... Condemning the enemy for taking out your power plants is like condemning the enemy for using bullets.

    Not exactly. Chernobyl - just up the road - is a reminder precisely how much of a mess a nuclear reactor can create if things go wrong, and how long lasting that mess can be.

    Zelensky wants Ukrainians to take up pitchforks against the Russian army.

    Not that I've noticed. They've got a lot of AK-47s, though they haven't got them into the hands of every new recruit yet.

    Zelensky got quite a few modern anti-tanks weapons from the west before the Russians invaded, and more seem to be being shipped in. They work better than pitchforks

    He condemns NATO for not implementing a no-fly zone, for not starting World War III.

    The Russians wouldn't be all that enthusiastic about starting WW3 either, but NATO isn't willing to take the risk

    He would sacrifice his own people and the whole world to keep his job.

    A psychopathic idiot like John Doe would see it that way.

    A typical politician.

    Far from it. The kind of politician that John Doe admires - Donald Trump comes to mind - might be that silly, but Zelensky is bright enough that his thought processes are inaccessible to an idiot like John Doe.

    --
    Bill Sloman, Sydney

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  • From DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno@decadenc@21:1/5 to John Doe on Sun Mar 6 12:20:08 2022
    John Doe <always.look@message.header> wrote in news:t01ij0$h2m$2@dont- email.me:

    In a war... Disabling a critical resource like energy is a winner.

    If it was a war, but it is not. It is an unprovoked invasion by a
    military force and is being defended in a warlike way. If it were a
    war, Putin would have already been shelled at his Kremlin propaganda
    studio. Because in a war, one uses what one has, and we have the
    abilty to strike him in Moscow, but he has no capacity to strike the
    US.

    We should cut his undersea backbone comm cabling and down his
    satellites, and expell the spies he has on the ISS. See how he can
    hack the Ukraine Internet connectins then. Putin obviously will not be
    doing any more launches for the world, even though it was a big
    moneymaker for them. Everything he does degrades his nation
    economically and on the global front. How he cannot see that can only
    be attributed to him swallowing the conspiracy theories. The only
    thing he ever led well was his KGB job, and doing the Trump handbook of
    illicit valuation realty fraud.

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  • From John Doe@21:1/5 to DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno@decadenc on Sun Mar 6 13:06:34 2022
    XPost: free.spam

    Always Wrong being always wrong, as always...

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    From: DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno@decadence.org
    Newsgroups: sci.electronics.design
    Subject: Re: OT: Zelensky wants demilitarized zones around Ukraine's nuclear power plants
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    John Doe <always.look@message.header> wrote in news:t01ij0$h2m$2@dont- email.me:

    In a war... Disabling a critical resource like energy is a winner.

    If it was a war, but it is not. It is an unprovoked invasion by a
    military force and is being defended in a warlike way. If it were a
    war, Putin would have already been shelled at his Kremlin propaganda
    studio. Because in a war, one uses what one has, and we have the
    abilty to strike him in Moscow, but he has no capacity to strike the
    US.

    We should cut his undersea backbone comm cabling and down his
    satellites, and expell the spies he has on the ISS. See how he can
    hack the Ukraine Internet connectins then. Putin obviously will not be
    doing any more launches for the world, even though it was a big
    moneymaker for them. Everything he does degrades his nation
    economically and on the global front. How he cannot see that can only
    be attributed to him swallowing the conspiracy theories. The only
    thing he ever led well was his KGB job, and doing the Trump handbook of illicit valuation realty fraud.



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  • From Ed Lee@21:1/5 to Sylvia Else on Sun Mar 6 05:46:50 2022
    On Saturday, March 5, 2022 at 9:36:53 PM UTC-8, Sylvia Else wrote:
    On 05-Mar-22 5:33 pm, John Doe wrote:
    He should have never given up his job as a comedian...
    I'm wondering whether shelling the plant was intentional, at least at a
    high command level. The Russians don't seem that competent. I suspect it
    was just a mistake.

    I think they just want to scare people to move away.

    If I'm right, a demilitarized zone would be ineffective.

    500 miles DMZ or DHZ would be fine for Putin. (H for Human).

    Regarding OTOT (On Title Off Topic), the Ukrainian should have thousands (if not tens of thousands) of Stingers and Javelins by now. However, there are only reports of hundreds of hits. Are they hogging the equipments for later use or resell? Or the
    hit ratio is really that poor?

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  • From Edward Hernandez@21:1/5 to All on Sun Mar 6 13:53:08 2022
    XPost: free.spam

    The John Doe troll stated the following in message-id <sdhn7c$pkp$4@dont-email.me>:

    The troll doesn't even know how to format a USENET post...

    And the John Doe troll stated the following in message-id <sg3kr7$qt5$1@dont-email.me>:

    The reason Bozo cannot figure out how to get Google to keep from
    breaking its lines in inappropriate places is because Bozo is
    CLUELESS...

    And yet, the clueless John Doe troll has itself posted yet another
    incorrectly formatted USENET posting on Sun, 6 Mar 2022 13:06:34 -0000
    (UTC) in message-id <t02bkq$540$1@dont-email.me>.

    This posting is a public service announcement for any google groups
    readers who happen by to point out that the John Doe troll does not even
    follow it's own rules that it uses to troll other posters.

    wL3g1EF5qxL4

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  • From Anthony William Sloman@21:1/5 to Ed Lee on Sun Mar 6 06:31:24 2022
    On Monday, March 7, 2022 at 12:46:57 AM UTC+11, Ed Lee wrote:
    On Saturday, March 5, 2022 at 9:36:53 PM UTC-8, Sylvia Else wrote:
    On 05-Mar-22 5:33 pm, John Doe wrote:
    He should have never given up his job as a comedian...
    I'm wondering whether shelling the plant was intentional, at least at a high command level. The Russians don't seem that competent. I suspect it was just a mistake.
    I think they just want to scare people to move away.
    If I'm right, a demilitarized zone would be ineffective.
    500 miles DMZ or DHZ would be fine for Putin. (H for Human).

    Regarding OTOT (On Title Off Topic), the Ukrainian should have thousands (if not tens of thousands) of Stingers and Javelins by now. However, there are only reports of hundreds of hits. Are they hogging the equipments for later use or resell? Or the
    hit ratio is really that poor?

    People who have a managed to take out a tank or an armoured personnel carrier are a lot more interested in getting away from the area than they are in documenting their success for the benefit of international media.

    Basically they are ambush weapons, so you need to have lot spread around in the hope that a tank will come into range of one of them.

    If you move them around when there are enemy tanks or aircraft around, a tank or an aircraft is going to take the anti-tank weapon a lot faster than the anti-tank weapon can take out a tank.

    --
    Bill Sloman, Sydney

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  • From Joe Gwinn@21:1/5 to All on Sun Mar 6 15:06:09 2022
    On Sun, 6 Mar 2022 16:36:42 +1100, Sylvia Else <sylvia@email.invalid>
    wrote:

    On 05-Mar-22 5:33 pm, John Doe wrote:
    He should have never given up his job as a comedian...

    I'm wondering whether shelling the plant was intentional, at least at a
    high command level. The Russians don't seem that competent. I suspect it
    was just a mistake.

    I think that it probably was intentional, but not in the way people
    think.

    The Russians are not nearly as worried about radiation as in the West,
    and this has the advantage of terrifying those soft westerners.

    Chernobyl is now a large nature preserve, and all the local critters
    are doing just fine. Which raises questions about the linear-effect
    models of radiation induced morbidity used by western regulatory
    agencies - those critters should be in a bad way, but don't know it.

    The weapons we saw used on that power plant cannot do much to a
    reactor - they are *not* fragile. But admin buildings are fragile,
    and burn nicely.

    Joe Gwinn

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  • From Sylvia Else@21:1/5 to Ed Lee on Mon Mar 7 09:43:05 2022
    On 07-Mar-22 12:46 am, Ed Lee wrote:
    On Saturday, March 5, 2022 at 9:36:53 PM UTC-8, Sylvia Else wrote:
    On 05-Mar-22 5:33 pm, John Doe wrote:
    He should have never given up his job as a comedian...
    I'm wondering whether shelling the plant was intentional, at least at a
    high command level. The Russians don't seem that competent. I suspect it
    was just a mistake.

    I think they just want to scare people to move away.

    If I'm right, a demilitarized zone would be ineffective.

    500 miles DMZ or DHZ would be fine for Putin. (H for Human).

    Regarding OTOT (On Title Off Topic), the Ukrainian should have thousands (if not tens of thousands) of Stingers and Javelins by now. However, there are only reports of hundreds of hits. Are they hogging the equipments for later use or resell? Or the
    hit ratio is really that poor?

    When aircraft flies over at low level, you have little time to realise
    it's coming in which the point your weapon and fire.

    Sylvia.

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  • From Ed Lee@21:1/5 to Sylvia Else on Sun Mar 6 14:58:09 2022
    On Sunday, March 6, 2022 at 2:43:16 PM UTC-8, Sylvia Else wrote:
    On 07-Mar-22 12:46 am, Ed Lee wrote:
    On Saturday, March 5, 2022 at 9:36:53 PM UTC-8, Sylvia Else wrote:
    On 05-Mar-22 5:33 pm, John Doe wrote:
    He should have never given up his job as a comedian...
    I'm wondering whether shelling the plant was intentional, at least at a >> high command level. The Russians don't seem that competent. I suspect it >> was just a mistake.

    I think they just want to scare people to move away.

    If I'm right, a demilitarized zone would be ineffective.

    500 miles DMZ or DHZ would be fine for Putin. (H for Human).

    Regarding OTOT (On Title Off Topic), the Ukrainian should have thousands (if not tens of thousands) of Stingers and Javelins by now. However, there are only reports of hundreds of hits. Are they hogging the equipments for later use or resell? Or the
    hit ratio is really that poor?
    When aircraft flies over at low level, you have little time to realise
    it's coming in which the point your weapon and fire.

    Stinger is for Jets. Javelin is for ground vehicles, landing boats and helicopters. You target first, shot it anywhere you want, and run away. More advanced version can also be fired remotely from unmanned launcher. But we probably shouldn't tell the
    enemies too much here.

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  • From Fred Bloggs@21:1/5 to John Doe on Sun Mar 6 16:24:07 2022
    On Saturday, March 5, 2022 at 1:33:24 AM UTC-5, John Doe wrote:
    He should have never given up his job as a comedian...

    It was an artillery bombardment, not an air attack. Artillery will not damage those massive concrete structures in the plant. It takes a HUGE amount of HE to break reinforced concrete, and artillery is not it. The whole story is a bunch of mass media
    hysteria. Artillery is good for destroying all the big transmission distribution network outside of the plant. And that's enough. it's out of commission either way.

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  • From Anthony William Sloman@21:1/5 to Ed Lee on Sun Mar 6 17:40:47 2022
    On Monday, March 7, 2022 at 9:58:17 AM UTC+11, Ed Lee wrote:
    On Sunday, March 6, 2022 at 2:43:16 PM UTC-8, Sylvia Else wrote:
    On 07-Mar-22 12:46 am, Ed Lee wrote:
    On Saturday, March 5, 2022 at 9:36:53 PM UTC-8, Sylvia Else wrote:
    On 05-Mar-22 5:33 pm, John Doe wrote:
    He should have never given up his job as a comedian...
    I'm wondering whether shelling the plant was intentional, at least at a >> high command level. The Russians don't seem that competent. I suspect it
    was just a mistake.

    I think they just want to scare people to move away.

    If I'm right, a demilitarized zone would be ineffective.

    500 miles DMZ or DHZ would be fine for Putin. (H for Human).

    Regarding OTOT (On Title Off Topic), the Ukrainian should have thousands (if not tens of thousands) of Stingers and Javelins by now. However, there are only reports of hundreds of hits. Are they hogging the equipments for later use or resell? Or
    the hit ratio is really that poor?
    When aircraft flies over at low level, you have little time to realise it's coming in which the point your weapon and fire.
    Stinger is for Jets. Javelin is for ground vehicles, landing boats and helicopters. You target first, shot it anywhere you want, and run away. More advanced version can also be fired remotely from unmanned launcher. But we probably shouldn't tell the
    enemies too much here.

    Wired guided anti-tank missiles have been set up so that the operator isn't close enough to the launcher to be a target after the missile has been fired for decades now. Even the Russians will know about that.

    --
    Bill Sloman, Sydney

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  • From Anthony William Sloman@21:1/5 to Fred Bloggs on Sun Mar 6 17:43:45 2022
    On Monday, March 7, 2022 at 11:24:15 AM UTC+11, Fred Bloggs wrote:
    On Saturday, March 5, 2022 at 1:33:24 AM UTC-5, John Doe wrote:
    He should have never given up his job as a comedian...
    It was an artillery bombardment, not an air attack. Artillery will not damage those massive concrete structures in the plant. It takes a HUGE amount of HE to break reinforced concrete, and artillery is not it. The whole story is a bunch of mass media
    hysteria. Artillery is good for destroying all the big transmission distribution network outside of the plant. And that's enough. it's out of commission either way.

    Fred hasn't noticed that it was diesel auxiliary generators that failed at Fukushima, not the containment shell. Mess with a complicated system like a nuclear reactor and the results aren't easily predictable.

    --
    Bill Sloman, Sydney

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  • From Ed Lee@21:1/5 to bill....@ieee.org on Sun Mar 6 17:52:52 2022
    On Sunday, March 6, 2022 at 5:40:56 PM UTC-8, bill....@ieee.org wrote:
    On Monday, March 7, 2022 at 9:58:17 AM UTC+11, Ed Lee wrote:
    On Sunday, March 6, 2022 at 2:43:16 PM UTC-8, Sylvia Else wrote:
    On 07-Mar-22 12:46 am, Ed Lee wrote:
    On Saturday, March 5, 2022 at 9:36:53 PM UTC-8, Sylvia Else wrote:
    On 05-Mar-22 5:33 pm, John Doe wrote:
    He should have never given up his job as a comedian...
    I'm wondering whether shelling the plant was intentional, at least at a
    high command level. The Russians don't seem that competent. I suspect it
    was just a mistake.

    I think they just want to scare people to move away.

    If I'm right, a demilitarized zone would be ineffective.

    500 miles DMZ or DHZ would be fine for Putin. (H for Human).

    Regarding OTOT (On Title Off Topic), the Ukrainian should have thousands (if not tens of thousands) of Stingers and Javelins by now. However, there are only reports of hundreds of hits. Are they hogging the equipments for later use or resell? Or
    the hit ratio is really that poor?
    When aircraft flies over at low level, you have little time to realise it's coming in which the point your weapon and fire.
    Stinger is for Jets. Javelin is for ground vehicles, landing boats and helicopters. You target first, shot it anywhere you want, and run away. More advanced version can also be fired remotely from unmanned launcher. But we probably shouldn't tell the
    enemies too much here.
    Wired guided anti-tank missiles have been set up so that the operator isn't close enough to the launcher to be a target after the missile has been fired for decades now. Even the Russians will know about that.

    It's wireless and very far away but within radio range.

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  • From John Doe@21:1/5 to Edward Hernandez on Mon Mar 7 02:10:40 2022
    XPost: free.spam

    Poor liddle Eddie got spanked and just can't get over it.

    Unless Eddie is nym-shifting, it has never posted anything NORMAL
    except when it got a severe spanking...

    https://groups.google.com/g/sci.electronics.repair/c/MesPLcGU4BE

    Is Eddie a nym-shifting troll, or a newbie netcop wannabe?

    See also...
    Peter Weiner <dtgamer99@gmail.com>
    Edward H. <dtgamer99@gmail.com>
    Edward Hernandez <dtgamer99@gmail.com>

    Eddie is an example for all newbies. Don't get spanked!

    Spanked Eddie...

    --
    Edward Hernandez <dtgamer99@gmail.com> wrote:

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    not-for-mail
    From: Edward Hernandez <dtgamer99@gmail.com>
    Subject: Re: OT: Zelensky wants demilitarized zones around Ukraine's nuclear power plants
    Newsgroups: sci.electronics.design,free.spam
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    The John Doe troll stated the following in message-id <sdhn7c$pkp$4@dont-email.me>:

    The troll doesn't even know how to format a USENET post...

    And the John Doe troll stated the following in message-id <sg3kr7$qt5$1@dont-email.me>:

    The reason Bozo cannot figure out how to get Google to keep from
    breaking its lines in inappropriate places is because Bozo is
    CLUELESS...

    And yet, the clueless John Doe troll has itself posted yet another incorrectly formatted USENET posting on Sun, 6 Mar 2022 13:06:34 -0000
    (UTC) in message-id <t02bkq$540$1@dont-email.me>.

    This posting is a public service announcement for any google groups
    readers who happen by to point out that the John Doe troll does not even follow it's own rules that it uses to troll other posters.

    wL3g1EF5qxL4




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  • From Edward Hernandez@21:1/5 to All on Mon Mar 7 02:13:04 2022
    XPost: free.spam

    The John Doe troll stated the following in message-id <sdhn7c$pkp$4@dont-email.me>:

    The troll doesn't even know how to format a USENET post...

    And the John Doe troll stated the following in message-id <sg3kr7$qt5$1@dont-email.me>:

    The reason Bozo cannot figure out how to get Google to keep from
    breaking its lines in inappropriate places is because Bozo is
    CLUELESS...

    NOBODY likes the John Doe troll's contentless spam.

    And yet, the clueless John Doe troll has continued to post incorrectly formatted USENET articles that are devoid of content (latest example on
    Mon, 7 Mar 2022 02:10:40 -0000 (UTC) in message-id <t03piv$5ja$2@dont-email.me>).

    Further, Troll Doe stated the following in message-id <svsh05$lbh$5@dont-email.me> posted Fri, 4 Mar 2022 08:01:09 -0000
    (UTC):

    Compared to other regulars, Bozo contributes practically nothing
    except insults to this group.

    Yet, since Wed, 5 Jan 2022 04:10:38 -0000 (UTC) Troll Doe's post ratio
    to USENET has been 53.8% of its posts contributing "nothing except
    insults" to USENET.

    This posting is a public service announcement for any google groups
    readers who happen by to point out that the John Doe troll does not even
    follow the rules it uses to troll other posters.

    AzedgVzDCr2L

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  • From John Doe@21:1/5 to Joe Gwinn on Mon Mar 7 02:18:42 2022
    Joe Gwinn wrote:

    Sylvia Else wrote:
    John Doe wrote:

    He should have never given up his job as a comedian...

    I'm wondering whether shelling the plant was intentional, at least at a
    high command level. The Russians don't seem that competent. I suspect it
    was just a mistake.

    I think that it probably was intentional, but not in the way people
    think.

    The Russians are not nearly as worried about radiation as in the West,
    and this has the advantage of terrifying those soft westerners.

    Chernobyl is now a large nature preserve, and all the local critters
    are doing just fine. Which raises questions about the linear-effect
    models of radiation induced morbidity used by western regulatory
    agencies - those critters should be in a bad way, but don't know it.

    LOL

    Maybe they have migraine headaches? It must be awful, somehow.

    It is teeming with wildlife. The animals don't mind at all that we (humans) abandoned that area.

    So much irony.

    The weapons we saw used on that power plant cannot do much to a
    reactor - they are *not* fragile. But admin buildings are fragile,
    and burn nicely.

    Right. Everybody, East and West, says nothing is wrong with respect to radiation.

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  • From Edward Hernandez@21:1/5 to All on Mon Mar 7 04:38:14 2022
    The John Doe troll stated the following in message-id <sdhn7c$pkp$4@dont-email.me>:

    The troll doesn't even know how to format a USENET post...

    And the John Doe troll stated the following in message-id <sg3kr7$qt5$1@dont-email.me>:

    The reason Bozo cannot figure out how to get Google to keep from
    breaking its lines in inappropriate places is because Bozo is
    CLUELESS...

    NOBODY likes the John Doe troll's contentless spam.

    And yet, the clueless John Doe troll has continued to post incorrectly formatted USENET articles that are devoid of content (latest example on
    Sat, 5 Mar 2022 09:43:54 -0000 (UTC) in message-id <svvbcq$djd$1@dont-email.me>).

    Further, Troll Doe stated the following in message-id <svsh05$lbh$5@dont-email.me> posted Fri, 4 Mar 2022 08:01:09 -0000
    (UTC):

    Compared to other regulars, Bozo contributes practically nothing
    except insults to this group.

    Yet, since Wed, 5 Jan 2022 04:10:38 -0000 (UTC) Troll Doe's post ratio
    to USENET has been 53.0% of its posts contributing "nothing except
    insults" to USENET.

    This posting is a public service announcement for any google groups
    readers who happen by to point out that the John Doe troll does not even
    follow the rules it uses to troll other posters.

    cdHjs4Dh4HZz

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  • From Edward Hernandez@21:1/5 to All on Mon Mar 7 05:58:39 2022
    The John Doe troll stated the following in message-id <sdhn7c$pkp$4@dont-email.me>:

    The troll doesn't even know how to format a USENET post...

    And the John Doe troll stated the following in message-id <sg3kr7$qt5$1@dont-email.me>:

    The reason Bozo cannot figure out how to get Google to keep from
    breaking its lines in inappropriate places is because Bozo is
    CLUELESS...

    NOBODY likes the John Doe troll's contentless spam.

    And yet, the clueless John Doe troll has continued to post incorrectly formatted USENET articles that are devoid of content (latest example on
    Mon, 7 Mar 2022 05:53:10 -0000 (UTC) in message-id <t046k5$g84$1@dont-email.me>).

    This posting is a public service announcement for any google groups
    readers who happen by to point out that the John Doe troll does not even
    follow the rules it uses to troll other posters.

    2R3xY/+wR0pB

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  • From John Doe@21:1/5 to Edward Hernandez on Mon Mar 7 05:53:10 2022
    Poor liddle Eddie got spanked and just can't get over it.

    Unless Eddie is nym-shifting, it has never posted anything NORMAL
    except when it got a severe spanking...

    https://groups.google.com/g/sci.electronics.repair/c/MesPLcGU4BE

    Is Eddie a nym-shifting troll, or a newbie netcop wannabe?

    See also...
    Peter Weiner <dtgamer99@gmail.com>
    Edward H. <dtgamer99@gmail.com>
    Edward Hernandez <dtgamer99@gmail.com>

    Eddie is an example for all newbies. Don't get spanked!

    Spanked Eddie...

    --
    Edward Hernandez <dtgamer99@gmail.com> wrote:

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    POSTED!not-for-mail
    From: Edward Hernandez <dtgamer99@gmail.com>
    Subject: Re: OT: Zelensky wants demilitarized zones around Ukraine's nuclear power plants
    Newsgroups: sci.electronics.design
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    The John Doe troll stated the following in message-id <sdhn7c$pkp$4@dont-email.me>:

    The troll doesn't even know how to format a USENET post...

    And the John Doe troll stated the following in message-id <sg3kr7$qt5$1@dont-email.me>:

    The reason Bozo cannot figure out how to get Google to keep from
    breaking its lines in inappropriate places is because Bozo is
    CLUELESS...

    NOBODY likes the John Doe troll's contentless spam.

    And yet, the clueless John Doe troll has continued to post incorrectly formatted USENET articles that are devoid of content (latest example on
    Sat, 5 Mar 2022 09:43:54 -0000 (UTC) in message-id <svvbcq$djd$1@dont-email.me>).

    Further, Troll Doe stated the following in message-id <svsh05$lbh$5@dont-email.me> posted Fri, 4 Mar 2022 08:01:09 -0000
    (UTC):

    Compared to other regulars, Bozo contributes practically nothing
    except insults to this group.

    Yet, since Wed, 5 Jan 2022 04:10:38 -0000 (UTC) Troll Doe's post ratio
    to USENET has been 53.0% of its posts contributing "nothing except
    insults" to USENET.

    This posting is a public service announcement for any google groups
    readers who happen by to point out that the John Doe troll does not even follow the rules it uses to troll other posters.

    cdHjs4Dh4HZz



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  • From John Doe@21:1/5 to All on Mon Mar 7 08:10:58 2022
    Sounds like bombs or thunder in the background.

    I'm using an equalizer to filter out the static background noise, works well.





    I wrote:

    https://youtu.be/iZebYm-nenY

    If you can handle the nasty background noise, that appears to be the best live view. It shows horizons in three of four windows. The audio appears to be current.

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  • From John Doe@21:1/5 to All on Mon Mar 7 08:20:39 2022
    It's bombs, lots of bombs.

    https://youtu.be/iZebYm-nenY

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  • From John Doe@21:1/5 to John Doe on Mon Mar 7 13:41:40 2022
    FWIW...
    Been watching for days, haven't heard a single aircraft.







    John Doe <always.look@message.header> wrote:

    https://youtu.be/iZebYm-nenY

    If you can handle the nasty background noise, that appears to be the best live view. It shows horizons in three of four windows. The audio appears to be current.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno@decadenc@21:1/5 to Ed Lee on Tue Mar 8 05:35:07 2022
    Ed Lee <edward.ming.lee@gmail.com> wrote in news:1f8e9988-f4c6-4fc5- 81a1-f03781904869n@googlegroups.com:

    I think they just want to scare people to move away.

    From THEIR OWN LANDS and leave behind their entire established lives,
    and killing many of them as they flee the illicit incursion. It is
    called an illicit invasion by the International Criminal Court.
    Oh that's right... you Trumpers do not listen to decades old
    observation organizations. Maybe I should use some of the same tactics
    to "scare you away".

    I think you still have TrumpShitSmear all over your face and eyes.
    It sure does stink like shit when you post.

    Ed Lee... walkin' like a duck and talkin' like a duck... Must be a
    horse blindered Trump Cult idiot... Oh, that's right, we all already
    knew that fact. All you succeed in doing is making yourself into a TrumpFuckedDuck. A TrumpDuckIn... as in you went up his ass with your
    upper head, and now he goes up in your ass with his lower head.

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  • From DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno@decadenc@21:1/5 to John Doe on Tue Mar 8 05:23:55 2022
    John Doe <always.look@message.header> wrote in news:t02bkq$540$1@dont- email.me:

    Always Wrong being always wrong, as always...


    Yet not a single thing as to what you would do.

    You really are pathetic being as old as you are yet still acting like
    a friggin elementary school playground bully wannabe. More like the
    village idiot. A mature physical aged adult with the mental maturity
    of a 12 year old poorly raised complete asshole.

    Try actually debating, immature twerp.

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  • From DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno@decadenc@21:1/5 to Ed Lee on Tue Mar 8 06:08:33 2022
    Ed Lee <edward.ming.lee@gmail.com> wrote in news:c411ff2a-4da7-45be-867d-fc45a237c5dcn@googlegroups.com:

    Stinger is for Jets. Javelin is for ground vehicles, landing
    boats and helicopters. You target first, shot it anywhere you
    want, and run away. More advanced version can also be fired
    remotely from unmanned launcher. But we probably shouldn't tell
    the enemies too much here.

    You think they are reading your tripe? You're an idiot.

    They modelled their shoulder launch missiles after the stolen info
    they got from us and other allies. They suck compared to ours, but do
    exist.

    I am sure nothing you could "tell" here or anywhere else would
    interest them or anybody else.

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  • From John Doe@21:1/5 to All on Tue Mar 8 06:10:55 2022
    Always Wrong is the first foulmouthed crybaby.

    https://youtu.be/MY3JsqVR_04

    There's a little history about NATO meddling in Ukraine, provoking Russia.

    Ukraine was controlled by Russia up until the 1990s. Ukraine borders
    Russia. It's very close to Moscow, only one hour in time zone difference.

    The expansion of NATO is for the purpose of establishing a first strike capability against Russia. It has nothing to do with defending any Western nation.

    We wouldn't even allow missiles in Cuba. Meddling in Ukraine is like the
    prior USSR attempting to incorporate Mexico and Canada.

    You can only poke the bear so many times...

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  • From John Doe@21:1/5 to All on Tue Mar 8 06:14:08 2022
    DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno, a.k.a. Always Wrong, wrote:

    Ed Lee wrote:

    I think they just want to scare people to move away.

    From THEIR OWN LANDS

    Joe Biden... "I told them they wouldn't get the billion dollars unless they fired the prosecutor...Well son of a bitch, they fired the prosecutor!" (paraphrased)

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  • From DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno@decadenc@21:1/5 to John Dope on Tue Mar 8 06:15:03 2022
    John Dope <always.look@message.header> wrote in news:t03q22$5ja$3@dont-email.me:

    LOL

    Maybe they have migraine headaches? It must be awful, somehow.

    It is teeming with wildlife. The animals don't mind at all that we
    (humans) abandoned that area.

    So much irony.

    There is a lot of morphism in many of the plant and animal species.
    Many are back to normal but that are many instances of strange births
    and growth as well.

    You? So much Dopeyness.

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  • From Anthony William Sloman@21:1/5 to John Doe on Mon Mar 7 23:43:59 2022
    On Tuesday, March 8, 2022 at 5:11:05 PM UTC+11, John Doe wrote:
    Always Wrong is the first foulmouthed crybaby.

    https://youtu.be/MY3JsqVR_04

    There's a little history about NATO meddling in Ukraine, provoking Russia.

    Ukraine was controlled by Russia up until the 1990s.

    Ukraine was part of the USSR until the 8th December 1991, when they formally declared their independence, carrying out the will of the Ukrainian people as expressed in a referendum carried out on the 1st December 1991.

    Ukraine borders Russia. It's very close to Moscow, only one hour in time zone difference.

    But it's quite a long way south west of Moscow - 469 miles or 755 kilometres. Quite long drive.

    The expansion of NATO is for the purpose of establishing a first strike capability against Russia.

    In John Doe's half-witted opinion.

    It has nothing to do with defending any Western nation.

    Another half-witted opinion.

    We wouldn't even allow missiles in Cuba. Meddling in Ukraine is like the prior USSR attempting to incorporate Mexico and Canada.

    Except that the US isn't "meddling" in the Ukraine.

    You can only poke the bear so many times...

    Russia isn't a bear, and nobody has been poking it.

    --
    Bill Sloman, Sydney

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  • From Anthony William Sloman@21:1/5 to John Doe on Mon Mar 7 23:46:52 2022
    On Tuesday, March 8, 2022 at 5:14:18 PM UTC+11, John Doe wrote:
    DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno, a.k.a. Always Wrong, wrote:
    Ed Lee wrote:

    I think they just want to scare people to move away.

    From THEIR OWN LANDS
    Joe Biden... "I told them they wouldn't get the billion dollars unless they fired the prosecutor...Well son of a bitch, they fired the prosecutor!" (paraphrased).

    Quite a few organisations, including the World Bank. wanted to see that prosecutor replaced by somebody who would prosecute corrupt oligarchs.
    It was quite a popular move at the time.

    --
    Bill Sloman, Sydney

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  • From DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno@decadenc@21:1/5 to John Doe on Tue Mar 8 07:16:09 2022
    John Doe <always.look@message.header> wrote in
    news:t0522k$dr9$1@dont-email.me:

    FWIW...
    Been watching for days, haven't heard a single aircraft.


    So far 35 Russian jets have been shot down by Ukraine forces. I have
    no count on the helos.

    So the WIW part rests somewhere near nil. In fact anything *you*
    claim to have done has nil value. Especially here.

    Aren't you the drill motor bicycle twerp?

    Maybe you should ge back to that. Or did you finally figure out
    where the flaw in that 'system' was. I say it was operator error.

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  • From DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno@decadenc@21:1/5 to John Doe on Tue Mar 8 08:21:52 2022
    John Doe <always.look@message.header> wrote in
    news:t06s7g$b4n$3@dont-email.me:

    DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno, a.k.a. Always Wrong, wrote:

    Ed Lee wrote:

    I think they just want to scare people to move away.

    From THEIR OWN LANDS

    Joe Biden... "I told them they wouldn't get the billion dollars
    unless they fired the prosecutor...Well son of a bitch, they fired
    the prosecutor!" (paraphrased)


    False quote more like. It was about a corrupt individual, and it was
    OUR NATION"S choice, not Biden's. Biden merely delivered the US'
    position on it.

    You might catch up one day, but you will likely croak first. One can
    only hope.

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  • From John Doe@21:1/5 to DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno@decadenc on Tue Mar 8 10:09:24 2022
    XPost: free.spam

    The temptation is to counter the cannibal leftists by rooting for the
    invasion of Ukraine. It was provoked, but I won't root for it because that plays into cannibal leftist hands. Destruction is their thing...

    --
    DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno@decadence.org wrote:

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    From: DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno@decadence.org
    Newsgroups: sci.electronics.design
    Subject: Re: OT: Zelensky wants demilitarized zones around Ukraine's nuclear power plants
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    John Doe <always.look@message.header> wrote in news:t06s7g$b4n$3@dont-email.me:

    DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno, a.k.a. Always Wrong, wrote:

    Ed Lee wrote:

    I think they just want to scare people to move away.

    From THEIR OWN LANDS

    Joe Biden... "I told them they wouldn't get the billion dollars
    unless they fired the prosecutor...Well son of a bitch, they fired
    the prosecutor!" (paraphrased)


    False quote more like. It was about a corrupt individual, and it was
    OUR NATION"S choice, not Biden's. Biden merely delivered the US'
    position on it.

    You might catch up one day, but you will likely croak first. One can
    only hope.



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  • From John Doe@21:1/5 to Anthony William Sloman on Tue Mar 8 10:10:10 2022
    XPost: free.spam

    The temptation is to counter the cannibal leftists by rooting for the
    invasion of Ukraine. It was provoked, but I won't root for it because that plays into cannibal leftist hands. Destruction is their thing...

    --
    Anthony William Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> wrote:

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    Subject: Re: OT: Zelensky wants demilitarized zones around Ukraine's nuclear power plants
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    On Tuesday, March 8, 2022 at 5:11:05 PM UTC+11, John Doe wrote:
    Always Wrong is the first foulmouthed crybaby.

    https://youtu.be/MY3JsqVR_04

    There's a little history about NATO meddling in Ukraine, provoking Russia. >>
    Ukraine was controlled by Russia up until the 1990s.

    Ukraine was part of the USSR until the 8th December 1991, when they formally declared their independence, carrying out the will of the Ukrainian people as expressed in a referendum carried out on the 1st December 1991.

    Ukraine borders Russia. It's very close to Moscow, only one hour in time zone difference.

    But it's quite a long way south west of Moscow - 469 miles or 755 kilometres. Quite long drive.

    The expansion of NATO is for the purpose of establishing a first strike capability against Russia.

    In John Doe's half-witted opinion.

    It has nothing to do with defending any Western nation.

    Another half-witted opinion.

    We wouldn't even allow missiles in Cuba. Meddling in Ukraine is like the prior USSR attempting to incorporate Mexico and Canada.

    Except that the US isn't "meddling" in the Ukraine.

    You can only poke the bear so many times...

    Russia isn't a bear, and nobody has been poking it.

    --
    Bill Sloman, Sydney



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  • From Edward Hernandez@21:1/5 to All on Tue Mar 8 10:48:23 2022
    XPost: free.spam

    The John Doe troll stated the following in message-id <sdhn7c$pkp$4@dont-email.me>:

    The troll doesn't even know how to format a USENET post...

    And the John Doe troll stated the following in message-id <sg3kr7$qt5$1@dont-email.me>:

    The reason Bozo cannot figure out how to get Google to keep from
    breaking its lines in inappropriate places is because Bozo is
    CLUELESS...

    And yet, the clueless John Doe troll has itself posted yet another
    incorrectly formatted USENET posting on Tue, 8 Mar 2022 10:09:24 -0000
    (UTC) in message-id <t07a0k$8ka$1@dont-email.me>.

    This posting is a public service announcement for any google groups
    readers who happen by to point out that the John Doe troll does not even
    follow it's own rules that it uses to troll other posters.

    7XN/Me/KutZS

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  • From Fred Bloggs@21:1/5 to bill....@ieee.org on Tue Mar 8 03:43:34 2022
    On Sunday, March 6, 2022 at 8:43:52 PM UTC-5, bill....@ieee.org wrote:
    On Monday, March 7, 2022 at 11:24:15 AM UTC+11, Fred Bloggs wrote:
    On Saturday, March 5, 2022 at 1:33:24 AM UTC-5, John Doe wrote:
    He should have never given up his job as a comedian...
    It was an artillery bombardment, not an air attack. Artillery will not damage those massive concrete structures in the plant. It takes a HUGE amount of HE to break reinforced concrete, and artillery is not it. The whole story is a bunch of mass media
    hysteria. Artillery is good for destroying all the big transmission distribution network outside of the plant. And that's enough. it's out of commission either way.
    Fred hasn't noticed that it was diesel auxiliary generators that failed at Fukushima, not the containment shell. Mess with a complicated system like a nuclear reactor and the results aren't easily predictable.

    The generators were almost certainly housed in a structurally substantial housing, like underground. The Russians know all too well the consequences of a catastrophic meltdown and never want to repeat it. It is just as likely to send a radioactive cloud
    into Russia as anywhere else. In an old interview with Gorbachev, he described how he found out about Chernobyl when the Swedish government contacted him to inquire about the origins of a radioactive cloud that passed through their airspace. Up to then
    the Russian nuclear authority was too timid to pass on the news to the highest level of their government. As a side note, France really got doused but good by that same radioactive cloud, and suffered major contamination in the vineyards. But they
    covered it up rather than take a hit to their industry.


    --
    Bill Sloman, Sydney

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  • From Anthony William Sloman@21:1/5 to Fred Bloggs on Tue Mar 8 04:28:09 2022
    On Tuesday, March 8, 2022 at 10:43:42 PM UTC+11, Fred Bloggs wrote:
    On Sunday, March 6, 2022 at 8:43:52 PM UTC-5, bill....@ieee.org wrote:
    On Monday, March 7, 2022 at 11:24:15 AM UTC+11, Fred Bloggs wrote:
    On Saturday, March 5, 2022 at 1:33:24 AM UTC-5, John Doe wrote:
    He should have never given up his job as a comedian...
    It was an artillery bombardment, not an air attack. Artillery will not damage those massive concrete structures in the plant. It takes a HUGE amount of HE to break reinforced concrete, and artillery is not it. The whole story is a bunch of mass
    media hysteria. Artillery is good for destroying all the big transmission distribution network outside of the plant. And that's enough. it's out of commission either way.
    Fred hasn't noticed that it was diesel auxiliary generators that failed at Fukushima, not the containment shell. Mess with a complicated system like a nuclear reactor and the results aren't easily predictable.

    The generators were almost certainly housed in a structurally substantial housing, like underground.

    The Fukushima reactors were equally securely housed. It didn't prevent local contamination.

    The Russians know all too well the consequences of a catastrophic meltdown and never want to repeat it.

    As does everybody else. Not wanting to have a nuclear disaster doesn't prevent them from happening, and having some military clown take risks he doesn't appreciate by shelling buildings around a nuclear reactor isn't a great idea.

    It is just as likely to send a radioactive cloud into Russia as anywhere else.

    You've got to know the risk you are running before you fire the shells fro that to make any difference,

    In an old interview with Gorbachev, he described how he found out about Chernobyl when the Swedish government contacted him to inquire about the origins of a radioactive cloud that passed through their airspace. Up to then the Russian nuclear
    authority was too timid to pass on the news to the highest level of their government. As a side note, France really got doused but good by that same radioactive cloud, and suffered major contamination in the vineyards. But they covered it up rather than
    take a hit to their industry.

    There is no shortage of short-sighted half-wits in any country.

    --
    Bill Sloman, Sydney

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  • From John Doe@21:1/5 to Edward Hernandez on Tue Mar 8 13:24:01 2022
    XPost: free.spam

    Poor liddle Eddie got spanked and just can't get over it.

    Unless Eddie is nym-shifting, it has never posted anything NORMAL
    except when it got a severe spanking...

    https://groups.google.com/g/sci.electronics.repair/c/MesPLcGU4BE

    Is Eddie a nym-shifting troll, or a newbie netcop wannabe?

    See also...
    Peter Weiner <dtgamer99@gmail.com>
    Edward H. <dtgamer99@gmail.com>
    Edward Hernandez <dtgamer99@gmail.com>

    Eddie is an example for all newbies. Don't get spanked!

    Spanked Eddie...

    --
    Edward Hernandez <dtgamer99@gmail.com> wrote:

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    The John Doe troll stated the following in message-id <sdhn7c$pkp$4@dont-email.me>:

    The troll doesn't even know how to format a USENET post...

    And the John Doe troll stated the following in message-id <sg3kr7$qt5$1@dont-email.me>:

    The reason Bozo cannot figure out how to get Google to keep from
    breaking its lines in inappropriate places is because Bozo is
    CLUELESS...

    NOBODY likes the John Doe troll's contentless spam.

    And yet, the clueless John Doe troll has continued to post incorrectly formatted USENET articles that are devoid of content (latest example on
    Tue, 8 Mar 2022 10:10:10 -0000 (UTC) in message-id <t07a21$8ka$2@dont-email.me>).

    Further, Troll Doe stated the following in message-id <svsh05$lbh$5@dont-email.me> posted Fri, 4 Mar 2022 08:01:09 -0000
    (UTC):

    Compared to other regulars, Bozo contributes practically nothing
    except insults to this group.

    Yet, since Wed, 5 Jan 2022 04:10:38 -0000 (UTC) Troll Doe's post ratio
    to USENET has been 52.8% of its posts contributing "nothing except
    insults" to USENET.

    This posting is a public service announcement for any google groups
    readers who happen by to point out that the John Doe troll does not even follow the rules it uses to troll other posters.

    pNzLP/EWU+2m




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  • From Edward Hernandez@21:1/5 to All on Tue Mar 8 13:57:15 2022
    XPost: free.spam

    The John Doe troll stated the following in message-id <sdhn7c$pkp$4@dont-email.me>:

    The troll doesn't even know how to format a USENET post...

    And the John Doe troll stated the following in message-id <sg3kr7$qt5$1@dont-email.me>:

    The reason Bozo cannot figure out how to get Google to keep from
    breaking its lines in inappropriate places is because Bozo is
    CLUELESS...

    NOBODY likes the John Doe troll's contentless spam.

    And yet, the clueless John Doe troll has continued to post incorrectly formatted USENET articles that are devoid of content (latest example on
    Tue, 8 Mar 2022 13:24:01 -0000 (UTC) in message-id <t07ldg$9u7$1@dont-email.me>).

    This posting is a public service announcement for any google groups
    readers who happen by to point out that the John Doe troll does not even
    follow the rules it uses to troll other posters.

    QJ/xlBhAssnN

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  • From Fred Bloggs@21:1/5 to bill....@ieee.org on Tue Mar 8 09:26:42 2022
    On Tuesday, March 8, 2022 at 7:28:19 AM UTC-5, bill....@ieee.org wrote:
    On Tuesday, March 8, 2022 at 10:43:42 PM UTC+11, Fred Bloggs wrote:
    On Sunday, March 6, 2022 at 8:43:52 PM UTC-5, bill....@ieee.org wrote:
    On Monday, March 7, 2022 at 11:24:15 AM UTC+11, Fred Bloggs wrote:
    On Saturday, March 5, 2022 at 1:33:24 AM UTC-5, John Doe wrote:
    He should have never given up his job as a comedian...
    It was an artillery bombardment, not an air attack. Artillery will not damage those massive concrete structures in the plant. It takes a HUGE amount of HE to break reinforced concrete, and artillery is not it. The whole story is a bunch of mass
    media hysteria. Artillery is good for destroying all the big transmission distribution network outside of the plant. And that's enough. it's out of commission either way.
    Fred hasn't noticed that it was diesel auxiliary generators that failed at Fukushima, not the containment shell. Mess with a complicated system like a nuclear reactor and the results aren't easily predictable.

    The generators were almost certainly housed in a structurally substantial housing, like underground.
    The Fukushima reactors were equally securely housed. It didn't prevent local contamination.
    The Russians know all too well the consequences of a catastrophic meltdown and never want to repeat it.
    As does everybody else. Not wanting to have a nuclear disaster doesn't prevent them from happening, and having some military clown take risks he doesn't appreciate by shelling buildings around a nuclear reactor isn't a great idea.

    I'm pretty sure Russia has a nuclear engineer at the site directing the targeting for the military clown.

    The mass media as usual is trying to terrorize the public with as much stupid speculation as possible. They recently reported the radioactivity at the Chernobyl site has been increasing since the Russian occupation. This is not possible unless the
    Russians compromised that big containment shelter, which they did not. And why Russia would even want to occupy that place, which is a toxic health hazard, or the Ukrainians would want to defend it, is beyond all rational thought. The Ukrainians claimed
    that "fierce" fighting took place there, but the international nuclear inspectors didn't find any evidence of fighting.


    It is just as likely to send a radioactive cloud into Russia as anywhere else.
    You've got to know the risk you are running before you fire the shells fro that to make any difference,
    In an old interview with Gorbachev, he described how he found out about Chernobyl when the Swedish government contacted him to inquire about the origins of a radioactive cloud that passed through their airspace. Up to then the Russian nuclear
    authority was too timid to pass on the news to the highest level of their government. As a side note, France really got doused but good by that same radioactive cloud, and suffered major contamination in the vineyards. But they covered it up rather than
    take a hit to their industry.
    There is no shortage of short-sighted half-wits in any country.

    --
    Bill Sloman, Sydney

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  • From Clifford Heath@21:1/5 to Fred Bloggs on Wed Mar 9 08:20:54 2022
    On 9/3/22 4:26 am, Fred Bloggs wrote:
    The mass media as usual is trying to terrorize the public with as much stupid speculation as possible. They recently reported the radioactivity at the Chernobyl site has been increasing since the Russian occupation. This is not possible unless the
    Russians compromised that big containment shelter, which they did not.

    You don't reckon driving a few hundred big trucks around might kick up
    some of the radioactive dust from surface soil around the site?

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  • From DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno@decadenc@21:1/5 to Fred Bloggs on Wed Mar 9 02:15:14 2022
    Fred Bloggs <bloggs.fredbloggs.fred@gmail.com> wrote in news:96c8998d-e6e5-464a-83d4-de7e8a965a10n@googlegroups.com:

    I'm pretty sure Russia has a nuclear engineer at the site
    directing the targeting for the military clown.

    They cannot even keep their dry rotted APC tires filled.

    They sprayed some large caliber machine gun fire at the building and
    hit a couple external Gas cylinders to scare away the workers there.
    Then, they easily occupied the fully functional facility.

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  • From Anthony William Sloman@21:1/5 to Fred Bloggs on Tue Mar 8 18:28:13 2022
    On Wednesday, March 9, 2022 at 4:26:50 AM UTC+11, Fred Bloggs wrote:
    On Tuesday, March 8, 2022 at 7:28:19 AM UTC-5, bill....@ieee.org wrote:
    On Tuesday, March 8, 2022 at 10:43:42 PM UTC+11, Fred Bloggs wrote:
    On Sunday, March 6, 2022 at 8:43:52 PM UTC-5, bill....@ieee.org wrote:
    On Monday, March 7, 2022 at 11:24:15 AM UTC+11, Fred Bloggs wrote:
    On Saturday, March 5, 2022 at 1:33:24 AM UTC-5, John Doe wrote:
    He should have never given up his job as a comedian...
    It was an artillery bombardment, not an air attack. Artillery will not damage those massive concrete structures in the plant. It takes a HUGE amount of HE to break reinforced concrete, and artillery is not it. The whole story is a bunch of mass
    media hysteria. Artillery is good for destroying all the big transmission distribution network outside of the plant. And that's enough. it's out of commission either way.
    Fred hasn't noticed that it was diesel auxiliary generators that failed at Fukushima, not the containment shell. Mess with a complicated system like a nuclear reactor and the results aren't easily predictable.

    The generators were almost certainly housed in a structurally substantial housing, like underground.
    The Fukushima reactors were equally securely housed. It didn't prevent local contamination.
    The Russians know all too well the consequences of a catastrophic meltdown and never want to repeat it.
    As does everybody else. Not wanting to have a nuclear disaster doesn't prevent them from happening, and having some military clown take risks he doesn't appreciate by shelling buildings around a nuclear reactor isn't a great idea.

    I'm pretty sure Russia has a nuclear engineer at the site directing the targeting for the military clown.

    Really? Why?

    The mass media as usual is trying to terrorize the public with as much stupid speculation as possible. They recently reported the radioactivity at the Chernobyl site has been increasing since the Russian occupation. This is not possible unless the
    Russians compromised that big containment shelter, which they did not. And why Russia would even want to occupy that place, which is a toxic health hazard, or the Ukrainians would want to defend it, is beyond all rational thought. The Ukrainians claimed
    that "fierce" fighting took place there, but the international nuclear inspectors didn't find any evidence of fighting.

    As Clifford Heath has pointed out., the problem with Chernobyl was that it spread a lot of radioactive junk outside the reactor - some of it got as far as Sweden, the UK and France - before the containment shelter was set up around the stuff that hadn't
    got out. The whole area is contaminated.

    It is just as likely to send a radioactive cloud into Russia as anywhere else.

    You've got to know the risk you are running before you fire the shells for that to make any difference,

    In an old interview with Gorbachev, he described how he found out about Chernobyl when the Swedish government contacted him to inquire about the origins of a radioactive cloud that passed through their airspace. Up to then the Russian nuclear
    authority was too timid to pass on the news to the highest level of their government. As a side note, France really got doused but good by that same radioactive cloud, and suffered major contamination in the vineyards. But they covered it up rather than
    take a hit to their industry.

    There is no shortage of short-sighted half-wits in any country.

    --
    Bill Sloman, Sydney

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  • From Fred Bloggs@21:1/5 to Clifford Heath on Wed Mar 9 12:36:54 2022
    On Tuesday, March 8, 2022 at 4:21:05 PM UTC-5, Clifford Heath wrote:
    On 9/3/22 4:26 am, Fred Bloggs wrote:
    The mass media as usual is trying to terrorize the public with as much stupid speculation as possible. They recently reported the radioactivity at the Chernobyl site has been increasing since the Russian occupation. This is not possible unless the
    Russians compromised that big containment shelter, which they did not.
    You don't reckon driving a few hundred big trucks around might kick up
    some of the radioactive dust from surface soil around the site?

    LOL_ so does a wind storm. Now the over-reactors are fretting over the power being cut so they no longer have active cooling for the spent fuel in storage. Everyone is screaming continent-wide contamination.

    The IAEA sees 'no critical impact' on safety however. I tend to go with them rather than a bunch of career liars and cheats with an agenda.

    https://www.reuters.com/world/ukraine-nuclear-firm-warns-radiation-risk-after-power-cut-occupied-chernobyl-2022-03-09/

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  • From Fred Bloggs@21:1/5 to bill....@ieee.org on Wed Mar 9 12:43:09 2022
    On Tuesday, March 8, 2022 at 9:28:23 PM UTC-5, bill....@ieee.org wrote:
    On Wednesday, March 9, 2022 at 4:26:50 AM UTC+11, Fred Bloggs wrote:
    On Tuesday, March 8, 2022 at 7:28:19 AM UTC-5, bill....@ieee.org wrote:
    On Tuesday, March 8, 2022 at 10:43:42 PM UTC+11, Fred Bloggs wrote:
    On Sunday, March 6, 2022 at 8:43:52 PM UTC-5, bill....@ieee.org wrote:
    On Monday, March 7, 2022 at 11:24:15 AM UTC+11, Fred Bloggs wrote:
    On Saturday, March 5, 2022 at 1:33:24 AM UTC-5, John Doe wrote:
    He should have never given up his job as a comedian...
    It was an artillery bombardment, not an air attack. Artillery will not damage those massive concrete structures in the plant. It takes a HUGE amount of HE to break reinforced concrete, and artillery is not it. The whole story is a bunch of
    mass media hysteria. Artillery is good for destroying all the big transmission distribution network outside of the plant. And that's enough. it's out of commission either way.
    Fred hasn't noticed that it was diesel auxiliary generators that failed at Fukushima, not the containment shell. Mess with a complicated system like a nuclear reactor and the results aren't easily predictable.

    The generators were almost certainly housed in a structurally substantial housing, like underground.
    The Fukushima reactors were equally securely housed. It didn't prevent local contamination.
    The Russians know all too well the consequences of a catastrophic meltdown and never want to repeat it.
    As does everybody else. Not wanting to have a nuclear disaster doesn't prevent them from happening, and having some military clown take risks he doesn't appreciate by shelling buildings around a nuclear reactor isn't a great idea.

    I'm pretty sure Russia has a nuclear engineer at the site directing the targeting for the military clown.
    Really? Why?

    Because that's how they roll. You would be surprised at the kinds of people they put on the battlefield in far less important conflicts. The only question is about the kind of people they call nuclear engineers.


    The mass media as usual is trying to terrorize the public with as much stupid speculation as possible. They recently reported the radioactivity at the Chernobyl site has been increasing since the Russian occupation. This is not possible unless the
    Russians compromised that big containment shelter, which they did not. And why Russia would even want to occupy that place, which is a toxic health hazard, or the Ukrainians would want to defend it, is beyond all rational thought. The Ukrainians claimed
    that "fierce" fighting took place there, but the international nuclear inspectors didn't find any evidence of fighting.
    As Clifford Heath has pointed out., the problem with Chernobyl was that it spread a lot of radioactive junk outside the reactor - some of it got as far as Sweden, the UK and France - before the containment shelter was set up around the stuff that hadn'
    t got out. The whole area is contaminated.

    Nothing like reading back what I already told you yesterday...


    It is just as likely to send a radioactive cloud into Russia as anywhere else.

    You've got to know the risk you are running before you fire the shells for that to make any difference,

    In an old interview with Gorbachev, he described how he found out about Chernobyl when the Swedish government contacted him to inquire about the origins of a radioactive cloud that passed through their airspace. Up to then the Russian nuclear
    authority was too timid to pass on the news to the highest level of their government. As a side note, France really got doused but good by that same radioactive cloud, and suffered major contamination in the vineyards. But they covered it up rather than
    take a hit to their industry.

    There is no shortage of short-sighted half-wits in any country.

    --
    Bill Sloman, Sydney

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  • From Anthony William Sloman@21:1/5 to Fred Bloggs on Wed Mar 9 18:56:31 2022
    On Thursday, March 10, 2022 at 7:37:03 AM UTC+11, Fred Bloggs wrote:
    On Tuesday, March 8, 2022 at 4:21:05 PM UTC-5, Clifford Heath wrote:
    On 9/3/22 4:26 am, Fred Bloggs wrote:
    The mass media as usual is trying to terrorize the public with as much stupid speculation as possible. They recently reported the radioactivity at the Chernobyl site has been increasing since the Russian occupation. This is not possible unless the
    Russians compromised that big containment shelter, which they did not.
    You don't reckon driving a few hundred big trucks around might kick up some of the radioactive dust from surface soil around the site?

    LOL_ so does a wind storm.

    It might. Have you any evidence that it ever has?

    Now the over-reactors are fretting over the power being cut so they no longer have active cooling for the spent fuel in storage. Everyone is screaming continent-wide contamination.

    The IAEA sees 'no critical impact' on safety however. I tend to go with them rather than a bunch of career liars and cheats with an agenda.

    They don't see any immediate threat. It takes while for spent fuel to warm up enough for life to get interesting.

    https://www.reuters.com/world/ukraine-nuclear-firm-warns-radiation-risk-after-power-cut-occupied-chernobyl-2022-03-09/

    "Systems monitoring nuclear material at the radioactive waste facilities at Chernobyl in Ukraine, which were taken over by Russian forces last month, have stopped transmitting data to the U.N. nuclear watchdog, it said on Tuesday."

    If it does get warm enough, we won't get a lot of warning.

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  • From Anthony William Sloman@21:1/5 to Fred Bloggs on Wed Mar 9 19:03:15 2022
    On Thursday, March 10, 2022 at 7:43:18 AM UTC+11, Fred Bloggs wrote:
    On Tuesday, March 8, 2022 at 9:28:23 PM UTC-5, bill....@ieee.org wrote:
    On Wednesday, March 9, 2022 at 4:26:50 AM UTC+11, Fred Bloggs wrote:
    On Tuesday, March 8, 2022 at 7:28:19 AM UTC-5, bill....@ieee.org wrote:
    On Tuesday, March 8, 2022 at 10:43:42 PM UTC+11, Fred Bloggs wrote:
    On Sunday, March 6, 2022 at 8:43:52 PM UTC-5, bill....@ieee.org wrote:
    On Monday, March 7, 2022 at 11:24:15 AM UTC+11, Fred Bloggs wrote:
    On Saturday, March 5, 2022 at 1:33:24 AM UTC-5, John Doe wrote:

    He should have never given up his job as a comedian...
    It was an artillery bombardment, not an air attack. Artillery will not damage those massive concrete structures in the plant. It takes a HUGE amount of HE to break reinforced concrete, and artillery is not it. The whole story is a bunch of
    mass media hysteria. Artillery is good for destroying all the big transmission distribution network outside of the plant. And that's enough. it's out of commission either way.

    Fred hasn't noticed that it was diesel auxiliary generators that failed at Fukushima, not the containment shell. Mess with a complicated system like a nuclear reactor and the results aren't easily predictable.

    The generators were almost certainly housed in a structurally substantial housing, like underground.
    The Fukushima reactors were equally securely housed. It didn't prevent local contamination.
    The Russians know all too well the consequences of a catastrophic meltdown and never want to repeat it.
    As does everybody else. Not wanting to have a nuclear disaster doesn't prevent them from happening, and having some military clown take risks he doesn't appreciate by shelling buildings around a nuclear reactor isn't a great idea.

    I'm pretty sure Russia has a nuclear engineer at the site directing the targeting for the military clown.
    Really? Why?

    Because that's how they roll. You would be surprised at the kinds of people they put on the battlefield in far less important conflicts. The only question is about the kind of people they call nuclear engineers.

    I might be surprised at what they've done in the past. I'm pretty surprised that they were silly enough to shell a working nuclear reactor. The whole Ukranian invasion is pretty silly, and does suggest a fair bit of high level lunacy.

    The mass media as usual is trying to terrorize the public with as much stupid speculation as possible. They recently reported the radioactivity at the Chernobyl site has been increasing since the Russian occupation. This is not possible unless the
    Russians compromised that big containment shelter, which they did not. And why Russia would even want to occupy that place, which is a toxic health hazard, or the Ukrainians would want to defend it, is beyond all rational thought. The Ukrainians claimed
    that "fierce" fighting took place there, but the international nuclear inspectors didn't find any evidence of fighting.

    As Clifford Heath has pointed out., the problem with Chernobyl was that it spread a lot of radioactive junk outside the reactor - some of it got as far as Sweden, the UK and France - before the containment shelter was set up around the stuff that
    hadn't got out. The whole area is contaminated.

    Nothing like reading back what I already told you yesterday...

    So how come you don't seem to have understood it?

    It is just as likely to send a radioactive cloud into Russia as anywhere else.

    You've got to know the risk you are running before you fire the shells for that to make any difference,

    In an old interview with Gorbachev, he described how he found out about Chernobyl when the Swedish government contacted him to inquire about the origins of a radioactive cloud that passed through their airspace. Up to then the Russian nuclear
    authority was too timid to pass on the news to the highest level of their government. As a side note, France really got doused but good by that same radioactive cloud, and suffered major contamination in the vineyards. But they covered it up rather than
    take a hit to their industry.

    There is no shortage of short-sighted half-wits in any country.

    --
    Bill Sloman, Sydney

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  • From DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno@decadenc@21:1/5 to Fred Bloggs on Thu Mar 10 03:36:43 2022
    Fred Bloggs <bloggs.fredbloggs.fred@gmail.com> wrote in news:dad01bb1-5d6f-4b16-9b6c-0ff7a2a89ff9n@googlegroups.com:

    On Tuesday, March 8, 2022 at 4:21:05 PM UTC-5, Clifford Heath
    wrote:
    On 9/3/22 4:26 am, Fred Bloggs wrote:
    The mass media as usual is trying to terrorize the public with
    as much
    stupid speculation as possible. They recently reported the
    radioactivity at the Chernobyl site has been increasing since the
    Russian occupation. This is not possible unless the Russians
    compromised that big containment shelter, which they did not.
    You don't reckon driving a few hundred big trucks around might
    kick up some of the radioactive dust from surface soil around the
    site?

    LOL_ so does a wind storm. Now the over-reactors are fretting over
    the power being cut so they no longer have active cooling for the
    spent fuel in storage. Everyone is screaming continent-wide
    contamination.

    The IAEA sees 'no critical impact' on safety however. I tend to go
    with them rather than a bunch of career liars and cheats with an
    agenda.

    https://www.reuters.com/world/ukraine-nuclear-firm-warns-radiation- risk-after-power-cut-occupied-chernobyl-2022-03-09/


    Send Elon Musk over there to have a nice big dinner served in the
    containment room on a bench that has been there this whole time. He
    says... no big deal.

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  • From StupidAs StupidGet@21:1/5 to DecadentLinux...@decadence.org on Thu Mar 10 01:14:02 2022
    On Wednesday, March 9, 2022 at 7:36:54 PM UTC-8, DecadentLinux...@decadence.org wrote:

    Send Elon Musk over there to have a nice big dinner served in the
    containment room on a bench that has been there this whole time. He
    says... no big deal.

    And us, FFF, with him.

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  • From Fred Bloggs@21:1/5 to bill....@ieee.org on Fri Mar 11 02:05:23 2022
    On Wednesday, March 9, 2022 at 10:03:26 PM UTC-5, bill....@ieee.org wrote:
    On Thursday, March 10, 2022 at 7:43:18 AM UTC+11, Fred Bloggs wrote:
    On Tuesday, March 8, 2022 at 9:28:23 PM UTC-5, bill....@ieee.org wrote:
    On Wednesday, March 9, 2022 at 4:26:50 AM UTC+11, Fred Bloggs wrote:
    On Tuesday, March 8, 2022 at 7:28:19 AM UTC-5, bill....@ieee.org wrote:
    On Tuesday, March 8, 2022 at 10:43:42 PM UTC+11, Fred Bloggs wrote:
    On Sunday, March 6, 2022 at 8:43:52 PM UTC-5, bill....@ieee.org wrote:
    On Monday, March 7, 2022 at 11:24:15 AM UTC+11, Fred Bloggs wrote:
    On Saturday, March 5, 2022 at 1:33:24 AM UTC-5, John Doe wrote:

    He should have never given up his job as a comedian...
    It was an artillery bombardment, not an air attack. Artillery will not damage those massive concrete structures in the plant. It takes a HUGE amount of HE to break reinforced concrete, and artillery is not it. The whole story is a bunch
    of mass media hysteria. Artillery is good for destroying all the big transmission distribution network outside of the plant. And that's enough. it's out of commission either way.

    Fred hasn't noticed that it was diesel auxiliary generators that failed at Fukushima, not the containment shell. Mess with a complicated system like a nuclear reactor and the results aren't easily predictable.

    The generators were almost certainly housed in a structurally substantial housing, like underground.
    The Fukushima reactors were equally securely housed. It didn't prevent local contamination.
    The Russians know all too well the consequences of a catastrophic meltdown and never want to repeat it.
    As does everybody else. Not wanting to have a nuclear disaster doesn't prevent them from happening, and having some military clown take risks he doesn't appreciate by shelling buildings around a nuclear reactor isn't a great idea.

    I'm pretty sure Russia has a nuclear engineer at the site directing the targeting for the military clown.
    Really? Why?

    Because that's how they roll. You would be surprised at the kinds of people they put on the battlefield in far less important conflicts. The only question is about the kind of people they call nuclear engineers.
    I might be surprised at what they've done in the past. I'm pretty surprised that they were silly enough to shell a working nuclear reactor. The whole Ukranian invasion is pretty silly, and does suggest a fair bit of high level lunacy.
    The mass media as usual is trying to terrorize the public with as much stupid speculation as possible. They recently reported the radioactivity at the Chernobyl site has been increasing since the Russian occupation. This is not possible unless
    the Russians compromised that big containment shelter, which they did not. And why Russia would even want to occupy that place, which is a toxic health hazard, or the Ukrainians would want to defend it, is beyond all rational thought. The Ukrainians
    claimed that "fierce" fighting took place there, but the international nuclear inspectors didn't find any evidence of fighting.

    As Clifford Heath has pointed out., the problem with Chernobyl was that it spread a lot of radioactive junk outside the reactor - some of it got as far as Sweden, the UK and France - before the containment shelter was set up around the stuff that
    hadn't got out. The whole area is contaminated.

    Nothing like reading back what I already told you yesterday...
    So how come you don't seem to have understood it?
    It is just as likely to send a radioactive cloud into Russia as anywhere else.

    You've got to know the risk you are running before you fire the shells for that to make any difference,

    In an old interview with Gorbachev, he described how he found out about Chernobyl when the Swedish government contacted him to inquire about the origins of a radioactive cloud that passed through their airspace. Up to then the Russian nuclear
    authority was too timid to pass on the news to the highest level of their government. As a side note, France really got doused but good by that same radioactive cloud, and suffered major contamination in the vineyards. But they covered it up rather than
    take a hit to their industry.

    There is no shortage of short-sighted half-wits in any country.

    More of your pat insulting bullshit. You're the only one around here having trouble understanding anything. You like to think of yourself as this complex thinker but you're not. Since Chernobyl occurred 36 years ago, its fuel rods are long past requiring
    active cooling The Ukrainians must be storing recently spent fuel rods there. Loss of remote temperature monitoring does not mean loss of monitoring.
    Nothing going on in Ukraine is critical: https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-022-00660-z






    --
    Bill Sloman, Sydney

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  • From Anthony William Sloman@21:1/5 to Fred Bloggs on Fri Mar 11 03:34:10 2022
    On Friday, March 11, 2022 at 9:05:32 PM UTC+11, Fred Bloggs wrote:
    On Wednesday, March 9, 2022 at 10:03:26 PM UTC-5, bill....@ieee.org wrote:
    On Thursday, March 10, 2022 at 7:43:18 AM UTC+11, Fred Bloggs wrote:
    On Tuesday, March 8, 2022 at 9:28:23 PM UTC-5, bill....@ieee.org wrote:
    On Wednesday, March 9, 2022 at 4:26:50 AM UTC+11, Fred Bloggs wrote:
    On Tuesday, March 8, 2022 at 7:28:19 AM UTC-5, bill....@ieee.org wrote:
    On Tuesday, March 8, 2022 at 10:43:42 PM UTC+11, Fred Bloggs wrote:
    On Sunday, March 6, 2022 at 8:43:52 PM UTC-5, bill....@ieee.org wrote:
    On Monday, March 7, 2022 at 11:24:15 AM UTC+11, Fred Bloggs wrote:
    On Saturday, March 5, 2022 at 1:33:24 AM UTC-5, John Doe wrote:

    He should have never given up his job as a comedian...
    It was an artillery bombardment, not an air attack. Artillery will not damage those massive concrete structures in the plant. It takes a HUGE amount of HE to break reinforced concrete, and artillery is not it. The whole story is a bunch
    of mass media hysteria. Artillery is good for destroying all the big transmission distribution network outside of the plant. And that's enough. it's out of commission either way.

    Fred hasn't noticed that it was diesel auxiliary generators that failed at Fukushima, not the containment shell. Mess with a complicated system like a nuclear reactor and the results aren't easily predictable.

    The generators were almost certainly housed in a structurally substantial housing, like underground.
    The Fukushima reactors were equally securely housed. It didn't prevent local contamination.
    The Russians know all too well the consequences of a catastrophic meltdown and never want to repeat it.
    As does everybody else. Not wanting to have a nuclear disaster doesn't prevent them from happening, and having some military clown take risks he doesn't appreciate by shelling buildings around a nuclear reactor isn't a great idea.

    I'm pretty sure Russia has a nuclear engineer at the site directing the targeting for the military clown.
    Really? Why?

    Because that's how they roll. You would be surprised at the kinds of people they put on the battlefield in far less important conflicts. The only question is about the kind of people they call nuclear engineers.
    I might be surprised at what they've done in the past. I'm pretty surprised that they were silly enough to shell a working nuclear reactor. The whole Ukranian invasion is pretty silly, and does suggest a fair bit of high level lunacy.
    The mass media as usual is trying to terrorize the public with as much stupid speculation as possible. They recently reported the radioactivity at the Chernobyl site has been increasing since the Russian occupation. This is not possible unless
    the Russians compromised that big containment shelter, which they did not. And why Russia would even want to occupy that place, which is a toxic health hazard, or the Ukrainians would want to defend it, is beyond all rational thought. The Ukrainians
    claimed that "fierce" fighting took place there, but the international nuclear inspectors didn't find any evidence of fighting.

    As Clifford Heath has pointed out., the problem with Chernobyl was that it spread a lot of radioactive junk outside the reactor - some of it got as far as Sweden, the UK and France - before the containment shelter was set up around the stuff that
    hadn't got out. The whole area is contaminated.

    Nothing like reading back what I already told you yesterday...
    So how come you don't seem to have understood it?
    It is just as likely to send a radioactive cloud into Russia as anywhere else.

    You've got to know the risk you are running before you fire the shells for that to make any difference,

    In an old interview with Gorbachev, he described how he found out about Chernobyl when the Swedish government contacted him to inquire about the origins of a radioactive cloud that passed through their airspace. Up to then the Russian
    nuclear authority was too timid to pass on the news to the highest level of their government. As a side note, France really got doused but good by that same radioactive cloud, and suffered major contamination in the vineyards. But they covered it up
    rather than take a hit to their industry.

    There is no shortage of short-sighted half-wits in any country.

    More of your pat insulting bullshit.

    Such a polite observation.

    You're the only one around here having trouble understanding anything.

    Dream on.

    You like to think of yourself as this complex thinker but you're not.

    By which you mean that you can't follow the complexities that I mention?

    Since Chernobyl occurred 36 years ago, its fuel rods are long past requiring active cooling.

    The problem with Chernobyl isn't the fuel rods. In case you have forgotten, the Chernobyl reactor fell apart, and large chunks of it's contents got spread far and wide. Some of it got to the UK, Sweden and France (as you have mentioned). More of it hit
    the ground fairly close to Chernobyl, and that's why the area is kept closed off.

    The Ukrainians must be storing recently spent fuel rods there. Loss of remote temperature monitoring does not mean loss of monitoring.
    Nothing going on in Ukraine is critical: https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-022-00660-z

    Not at the moment. The Nature article does make the same point that I did - you do need to keep coolant circulating even after the reactor is shut down. Flinging artillery shells around can interfere with that.

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    Bill Sloman, Sydney

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