• OT: The Deep State described by the London Times in 1815

    From John Doe@21:1/5 to All on Mon Feb 28 00:58:17 2022
    The Deep State was described by the London Times in 1815.

    The same description Dwight Eisenhower, Ronald Reagan, and Judicial Watch
    have given it.

    Unelected bureaucrats have too much influence. And here in America it's
    getting worse.

    https://youtu.be/zLQ-2mrHXGo (Judicial Watch)

    The most detailed explanation, the first 4 minutes is concise.

    https://youtu.be/CNmnmdtcdcg?t=94 (Ronald Reagan)

    Our biggest problem is that we have built a permanent structure of government, federal, state, and local, the permanent employees actually determine policy in this country more than does the Congress of the
    United States.

    https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/bureaucracy

    An 1815 London Times article, for example, declares: ...it is in this
    bureaucracy, Gentlemen, that you will find the invisible and
    mischievous power which thwarts the most noble views, and prevents or
    weakens the effect of all the salutary reforms which France is
    incessantly calling for.

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  • From Anthony William Sloman@21:1/5 to John Doe on Sun Feb 27 19:04:40 2022
    On Monday, February 28, 2022 at 11:58:30 AM UTC+11, John Doe wrote:
    The Deep State was described by the London Times in 1815.

    The same description Dwight Eisenhower, Ronald Reagan, and Judicial Watch have given it.

    Unelected bureaucrats have too much influence. And here in America it's getting worse.

    The kinds of idiots that John Doe would want to see elected would believe that.

    <snipped rubbish from Judicial Watch>

    The most detailed explanation, the first 4 minutes is concise.

    Who in their right mind would waste four minutes finding out what Judicial Watch would think about anything. It's an organisation the launches frivolous legal cases to in pursuit of their idiot agenda, and is probably in line to be declared a vexatious
    litigant.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Judicial_Watch

    The wikipedia page used to list the proportion of their cases that they won - it wasn't high - but presumably they got wikipedia to delete this embarrassing fact.

    <snipped crap featuring Ronald Reagan>

    Our biggest problem is that we have built a permanent structure of government, federal, state, and local, the permanent employees actually determine policy in this country more than does the Congress of the United States.

    The permanent employees are hired because they have expertise in their area of employment. The members of Congress of the United States are elected because they appeal to a majority in their electoral districts.

    https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/bureaucracy

    An 1815 London Times article, for example, declares: “...it is in this bureaucracy, Gentlemen, that you will find the invisible and mischievous power which thwarts the most noble views, and prevents or weakens the effect of all the salutary
    reforms which France is incessantly calling for.”

    In 1815 Napoleon had escaped from Elba on the 26th February, returned to power in Paris on the 20th March, lost the battle of Waterloo on the 18th June, and surrenders to the British on the 15th July. By December he'd been sent to St.Helena. There was
    lot going on in France in 1815, and "incessant calls for reform" would only have been a minor part of that. Napoleon had set up a pretty effective and efficient bureaucracy in France, and nobody ever went to the trouble of replacing it.

    Whatever John Doe may like to think that the London Times was saying back then it probably isn't going to be what he likes to think.

    --
    Bill Sloman, Sydney

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  • From John Doe@21:1/5 to All on Mon Feb 28 04:25:07 2022
    Bozo the Clown.


    Bozo Bill Sloman is an attention-craving chronic liar who cannot be
    reasoned with...

    "the Mueller investigation was about Trump only because Trump made it so"
    (Bozo paraphrased)

    "the concepts "male" and "female" are essentially social constructions"
    (Bill Sloman)

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  • From Jan Panteltje@21:1/5 to All on Mon Feb 28 06:30:13 2022
    On a sunny day (Sun, 27 Feb 2022 19:04:40 -0800 (PST)) it happened Anthony William Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> wrote in <02e5a19b-a578-47fc-88ad-db5d7c0b743bn@googlegroups.com>:
    wrote ..

    Seems to me a demo of 'deep state' (no I have not watched the videos) is obvious to those who do want to see.
    after Afghanistan US wants work for the Military Industrial Complex
    and what is nicer than radioactively pollute Europe,
    destroy the Euro, sell weapons, for that deep state.
    It also diverts the attention from biden's failures.

    Bill you are just a pawn in their game (as are the Aussies)
    biden or his puppeteers 'the deep state' are afraid to take on China for Taiwan

    What may happen or rather _will_ happen is that the nukes will fly towards that small N American piece of land.

    Why Putin wants Ukrain..
    I can imagine many in Ukrain are not so happy sitting next to that Chernobyl reactor that was blown up
    by a Russian deep state idiot.

    I did see some paranoia from Putin .. him sitting at a long table at a big distance from for example Macron.

    Sure US has killed state leaders with poisonous hand shakes IIR in the past.
    If Putin indeed was hit by for example covid or some weird anti-covid shot, him starting a nuclear war
    would be a real possibility ..

    I wrote a few month back 2024 .

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  • From John Doe@21:1/5 to All on Wed Mar 23 09:10:26 2022
    From the English language usage group, about the 1815 London Times
    article...

    The passage you are interested in appears in an item headed "Courts of
    Justice in France", on p.2 of the Times for Saturday Nov.11, 1815. It is a report of a speech by M.Hyde de Neuville.



    --

    I wrote:

    https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/bureaucracy

    An 1815 London Times article, for example, declares: ...it is in this
    bureaucracy, Gentlemen, that you will find the invisible and
    mischievous power which thwarts the most noble views, and prevents or
    weakens the effect of all the salutary reforms which France is
    incessantly calling for.

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  • From John Doe@21:1/5 to All on Mon Mar 28 20:37:15 2022
    Check this dude out.

    Hates Trump. Might be part of the military-industrial complex.
    If he's not an aeronautics engineer, he's trying to look like it.

    But of course electronics is better.

    This should get you to a YouTube channel videos page.
    If not, please let me know...

    https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC4MNpoVMFyV5dNs6LTX3Vjg/videos

    Gotta like the boomerang paper airplane. Or not.

    https://youtu.be/vUj7FusX7fw

    Is this a real life F-22 fighter jet? He says "backflip", but technically "gainer" might be better.

    https://youtu.be/fxJYLNlbmGw

    FWIW... "KUBINKA AIR BASE, RUSSIAN FEDERATION"

    https://youtu.be/tdqgNITldb4?t=158

    I'm not suggesting anything by that. Haven't even looked at the whole
    video.

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