• Lyin' Biden REFUSES to do the ONE thing that can hurt Russia

    From Flyguy@21:1/5 to All on Thu Feb 24 12:04:55 2022
    ...which is to open up and mandate the drilling, transport, and refining of ALL of our oil reserves.

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  • From John Doe@21:1/5 to Flyguy on Thu Feb 24 20:46:07 2022
    Flyguy wrote:

    ...which is to open up and mandate the drilling, transport, and refining
    of ALL of our oil reserves.

    Even before Biden, Europe was importing a large part of its oil and gas from Russia. Europe couldn't care less about the spat between Russia and Ukraine. Even if they wanted to do something about it, they aren't, and we are not the world's police.

    This "Russia Russia Russia war war war" garbage is all about supporting the military-industrial complex and its political puppets, and the media.

    Russia controlled Ukraine and many other countries up until the 1990s. The
    only theory for why the Russia-Ukraine conflict might be an effort to reestablish the USSR is a response to the continuing fall of our
    civilization. Otherwise, the same forces that made Russia release those countries are still in play today.

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  • From Flyguy@21:1/5 to John Doe on Thu Feb 24 12:57:48 2022
    On Thursday, February 24, 2022 at 12:46:17 PM UTC-8, John Doe wrote:
    Flyguy wrote:

    ...which is to open up and mandate the drilling, transport, and refining of ALL of our oil reserves.
    Even before Biden, Europe was importing a large part of its oil and gas from Russia. Europe couldn't care less about the spat between Russia and Ukraine. Even if they wanted to do something about it, they aren't, and we are not the
    world's police.

    This "Russia Russia Russia war war war" garbage is all about supporting the military-industrial complex and its political puppets, and the media.

    Russia controlled Ukraine and many other countries up until the 1990s. The only theory for why the Russia-Ukraine conflict might be an effort to reestablish the USSR is a response to the continuing fall of our civilization. Otherwise, the same forces that made Russia release those countries are still in play today.

    The USSR fell apart in the 90s because they went bankrupt and could not compete with the West economically. Countering Russia's aggression should be done the same way: economically. And this means reducing their primary source of revenue: oil. Lyin'
    Biden is a puppet for the greenies and won't do this.

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  • From John Doe@21:1/5 to Flyguy on Thu Feb 24 21:05:31 2022
    Flyguy wrote:

    The USSR fell apart in the 90s because they went bankrupt and could not compete with the West economically. Countering Russia's aggression
    should be done the same way: economically. And this means reducing their primary source of revenue: oil. Lyin' Biden is a puppet for the greenies
    and won't do this.

    It's not just Biden's fault. The idiots in Germany destroying their own
    nuclear power plants is one obvious other part of the problem. Seems Europe isn't concerned about what our media is alarmed about. There is something
    wrong with this picture.

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  • From Dean Hoffman@21:1/5 to Flyguy on Thu Feb 24 14:04:01 2022
    On Thursday, February 24, 2022 at 2:05:06 PM UTC-6, Flyguy wrote:
    ...which is to open up and mandate the drilling, transport, and refining of ALL of our oil reserves.

    I didn't realize the President had the authority to require ordinary people to work. Military?
    China just signed an agreement to buy 100 million tons of coal from Russia. India already had an agreement to buy 40 million tons.
    <https://www.foxnews.com/world/russia-china-new-coal-deal-state-media>
    I remember when Nixon went to China. The U.S. was going to play the Soviet Union
    off against the Chinese. Times change.

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  • From Anthony William Sloman@21:1/5 to Flyguy on Thu Feb 24 14:09:39 2022
    On Friday, February 25, 2022 at 7:05:06 AM UTC+11, Flyguy wrote:
    ...which is to open up and mandate the drilling, transport, and refining of ALL of our oil reserves.

    Ask any idiot. It's obvious to them.

    --
    Bill Sloman, Sydney

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  • From Anthony William Sloman@21:1/5 to John Doe on Thu Feb 24 14:28:18 2022
    On Friday, February 25, 2022 at 7:46:17 AM UTC+11, John Doe wrote:
    Flyguy wrote:

    ...which is to open up and mandate the drilling, transport, and refining of ALL of our oil reserves.

    Even before Biden, Europe was importing a large part of its oil and gas from Russia. Europe couldn't care less about the spat between Russia and Ukraine.

    On the contrary, Europe doesn't like it at all. Putin is starting to sound much too much like Hitler to make anybody happy.

    Even if they wanted to do something about it, they aren't, and we are not the world's police.

    They are going in for economic sanctions. Quite how hard they are willing to go remains to be seen.

    This "Russia Russia Russia war war war" garbage is all about supporting the military-industrial complex and its political puppets, and the media.

    Really? The lesson from 1990 is that if you wreck their economy, their society falls apart. It's expensive, but nowhere near as expensive as a war.
    This time around we should put more effort into getting a better quality replacement government in place after the current one falls apart.

    Russia controlled Ukraine and many other countries up until the 1990s. The only theory for why the Russia-Ukraine conflict might be an effort to
    reestablish the USSR is a response to the continuing fall of our civilization.

    That's the only theory that John Doe can think of. It's nonsense, as you'd expect.

    Otherwise, the same forces that made Russia release those countries are still in play today.

    Russia didn't "release" those countries. The USSR fell apart, and what was left reconstituted itself into separate countries, some better run than others.
    Putin is dreaming of restoring Russian hegemony over the Ukraine. He's got enough military o that it might work, but the Ukraine has now got a lot of modern anti-tank weapons. Russia probably doesn't have the economic capacity to fight a sustained war,
    and serious economic sanctions could cut that back hard.

    --
    Bill Sloman, Sydney

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  • From John Doe@21:1/5 to All on Thu Feb 24 23:07:02 2022
    Not even worth taking a look at, IMO.


    Bozo Bill Sloman is an attention-craving chronic liar who cannot be
    reasoned with...

    "the Mueller investigation was about Trump only because Trump made it so"
    (Bozo paraphrased)

    "the concepts "male" and "female" are essentially social constructions"
    (Bill Sloman)

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  • From Phil Allison@21:1/5 to Flyguy on Thu Feb 24 15:51:46 2022
    Flyguy wrote:
    ==========

    ...which is to open up and mandate the drilling, transport, and refining of ALL of our oil reserves.


    ** Putin is betting that they won't.
    He has planned, calculated and timed the invasion of the Ukraine to the minute.

    But I wonder how long can he can he hold onto control ?


    ...... Phil

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  • From John S@21:1/5 to Anthony William Sloman on Thu Feb 24 17:43:12 2022
    On 2/24/2022 4:28 PM, Anthony William Sloman wrote:
    On Friday, February 25, 2022 at 7:46:17 AM UTC+11, John Doe wrote:
    Flyguy wrote:

    ...which is to open up and mandate the drilling, transport, and refining >>> of ALL of our oil reserves.

    Even before Biden, Europe was importing a large part of its oil and gas from >> Russia. Europe couldn't care less about the spat between Russia and Ukraine.

    On the contrary, Europe doesn't like it at all. Putin is starting to sound much too much like Hitler to make anybody happy.

    Even if they wanted to do something about it, they aren't, and we are not the world's police.

    They are going in for economic sanctions. Quite how hard they are willing to go remains to be seen.

    This "Russia Russia Russia war war war" garbage is all about supporting the military-industrial complex and its political puppets, and the media.

    Really? The lesson from 1990 is that if you wreck their economy, their society falls apart. It's expensive, but nowhere near as expensive as a war.
    This time around we should put more effort into getting a better quality replacement government in place after the current one falls apart.

    Russia controlled Ukraine and many other countries up until the 1990s. The only theory for why the Russia-Ukraine conflict might be an effort to
    reestablish the USSR is a response to the continuing fall of our civilization.

    That's the only theory that John Doe can think of. It's nonsense, as you'd expect.

    Otherwise, the same forces that made Russia release those countries are still in play today.

    Russia didn't "release" those countries. The USSR fell apart, and what was left reconstituted itself into separate countries, some better run than others.
    Putin is dreaming of restoring Russian hegemony over the Ukraine. He's got enough military o that it might work, but the Ukraine has now got a lot of modern anti-tank weapons. Russia probably doesn't have the economic capacity to fight a sustained war,
    and serious economic sanctions could cut that back hard.



    Maybe not, but their buddy China might throw in with Russia.

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  • From David Brown@21:1/5 to John S on Fri Feb 25 08:14:12 2022
    On 25/02/2022 00:43, John S wrote:
    On 2/24/2022 4:28 PM, Anthony William Sloman wrote:

    Russia didn't "release" those countries. The USSR fell apart, and what
    was left reconstituted itself into separate countries, some better run
    than others.
    Putin is dreaming of restoring Russian hegemony over the Ukraine. He's
    got enough military o that it might work, but the Ukraine has now got
    a lot of modern anti-tank weapons. Russia probably doesn't have the
    economic capacity to fight a sustained war, and serious economic
    sanctions could cut that back hard.



    Maybe not, but their buddy China might throw in with Russia.

    China is not Russia's "buddy". China is nobody's buddy but China's.
    They are currently sitting on the fence, because that means they will be
    able to benefit from trading with Russia while others have sanctions in
    place. China will certainly not get involved in a military conflict
    here, on anyone's side - there's no profit in it for them.

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  • From Dimiter_Popoff@21:1/5 to Phil Allison on Fri Feb 25 15:36:12 2022
    On 2/25/2022 1:51, Phil Allison wrote:
    Flyguy wrote:
    ==========

    ...which is to open up and mandate the drilling, transport, and refining of ALL of our oil reserves.


    ** Putin is betting that they won't.
    He has planned, calculated and timed the invasion of the Ukraine to the minute.

    But I wonder how long can he can he hold onto control ?


    ...... Phil

    He probably can hold it for as long as he is in the Kremlin.
    He has kill lists in place as part of the preparation of the invasion,
    he is a KGB man, remember.

    What the world *badly* needs at the moment is a Ronald Reagan.
    Sadly none in sight, that Trump they have is not even a mockery
    of the great man.

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  • From DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno@decadenc@21:1/5 to David Brown on Fri Feb 25 20:03:17 2022
    David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> wrote in news:sv9vk4$ef1$1@dont-email.me:

    On 25/02/2022 00:43, John S wrote:
    On 2/24/2022 4:28 PM, Anthony William Sloman wrote:

    Russia didn't "release" those countries. The USSR fell apart,
    and what was left reconstituted itself into separate countries,
    some better run than others.
    Putin is dreaming of restoring Russian hegemony over the
    Ukraine. He's got enough military o that it might work, but the
    Ukraine has now got a lot of modern anti-tank weapons. Russia
    probably doesn't have the economic capacity to fight a sustained
    war, and serious economic sanctions could cut that back hard.



    Maybe not, but their buddy China might throw in with Russia.

    China is not Russia's "buddy". China is nobody's buddy but
    China's. They are currently sitting on the fence, because that
    means they will be able to benefit from trading with Russia while
    others have sanctions in place. China will certainly not get
    involved in a military conflict here, on anyone's side - there's
    no profit in it for them.

    +1
    Yep... right on the money, there.

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  • From DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno@decadenc@21:1/5 to Flyguy on Fri Feb 25 19:58:11 2022
    Flyguy <soar2morrow@yahoo.com> wrote in news:b8246585-913b-45cd-878f-c676702fce03n@googlegroups.com:

    ...which is to open up and mandate

    That has nothing to do wit a goddamned thing.

    the drilling,

    Another zero effect republitard talking point.

    transport,

    Now you are mumbling, as usual. What exactly id closed about
    "transport" you stupid fuck?

    and
    refining of ALL of our oil reserves.

    They are called reserves for a reason, you stupid fuck.

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  • From DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno@decadenc@21:1/5 to John Doe on Fri Feb 25 19:59:59 2022
    John Doe <always.look@message.header> wrote in news:sv8qqf$glq$3@dont- email.me:

    made Russia release

    Yer an idiot. The USSR agreed to everything that took place after
    WWII.

    Why the fuck do you think Germany was divided?

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  • From DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno@decadenc@21:1/5 to Flyguy on Fri Feb 25 20:07:14 2022
    Flyguy <soar2morrow@yahoo.com> wrote in news:808da398-ace7-4785-902a-7e03e0239b4an@googlegroups.com:

    The USSR fell apart in the 90s because they went bankrupt and
    could not compete with the West economically.

    The currency of the USSR was not recognized anywhere in the world,
    which meant they had to use US dollars for everything, and were
    constantly funneling it there any way they could, including using US anti-patriots like Donald John Trump, and his kids.

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  • From Anthony William Sloman@21:1/5 to Dimiter Popoff on Fri Feb 25 18:55:22 2022
    On Saturday, February 26, 2022 at 12:36:24 AM UTC+11, Dimiter Popoff wrote:
    On 2/25/2022 1:51, Phil Allison wrote:
    Flyguy wrote:
    ==========

    ...which is to open up and mandate the drilling, transport, and refining of ALL of our oil reserves.

    ** Putin is betting that they won't.
    He has planned, calculated and timed the invasion of the Ukraine to the minute.

    But I wonder how long can he can he hold onto control ?

    He probably can hold it for as long as he is in the Kremlin.
    He has kill lists in place as part of the preparation of the invasion,
    he is a KGB man, remember.

    What the world *badly* needs at the moment is a Ronald Reagan.

    Like a hole in the head.

    Sadly none in sight, that Trump they have is not even a mockery of the great man.

    Reagan wasn't remotely great. Think about Contragate.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran%E2%80%93Contra_affair

    Secretly breaking an arms embargo against Iran to get funds to secretly finance right-wing terrorists - the Contras - in Nicaragua.

    That's about as squalid as politics gets.

    --
    Bill Sloman, Sydney

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  • From Dimiter_Popoff@21:1/5 to Anthony William Sloman on Sat Feb 26 08:07:03 2022
    On 2/26/2022 4:55, Anthony William Sloman wrote:
    On Saturday, February 26, 2022 at 12:36:24 AM UTC+11, Dimiter Popoff wrote:
    On 2/25/2022 1:51, Phil Allison wrote:
    Flyguy wrote:
    ==========

    ...which is to open up and mandate the drilling, transport, and refining of ALL of our oil reserves.

    ** Putin is betting that they won't.
    He has planned, calculated and timed the invasion of the Ukraine to the minute.

    But I wonder how long can he can he hold onto control ?

    He probably can hold it for as long as he is in the Kremlin.
    He has kill lists in place as part of the preparation of the invasion,
    he is a KGB man, remember.

    What the world *badly* needs at the moment is a Ronald Reagan.

    Like a hole in the head.

    Sadly none in sight, that Trump they have is not even a mockery of the great man.

    Reagan wasn't remotely great. Think about Contragate.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran%E2%80%93Contra_affair

    Secretly breaking an arms embargo against Iran to get funds to secretly finance right-wing terrorists - the Contras - in Nicaragua.

    That's about as squalid as politics gets.


    The USSR was put to its knees on his watch.
    Great man.

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  • From Anthony William Sloman@21:1/5 to Dimiter Popoff on Fri Feb 25 23:28:41 2022
    On Saturday, February 26, 2022 at 5:07:15 PM UTC+11, Dimiter Popoff wrote:
    On 2/26/2022 4:55, Anthony William Sloman wrote:
    On Saturday, February 26, 2022 at 12:36:24 AM UTC+11, Dimiter Popoff wrote:
    On 2/25/2022 1:51, Phil Allison wrote:
    Flyguy wrote:
    ==========

    ...which is to open up and mandate the drilling, transport, and refining of ALL of our oil reserves.

    ** Putin is betting that they won't.
    He has planned, calculated and timed the invasion of the Ukraine to the minute.

    But I wonder how long can he can he hold onto control ?

    He probably can hold it for as long as he is in the Kremlin.
    He has kill lists in place as part of the preparation of the invasion,
    he is a KGB man, remember.

    What the world *badly* needs at the moment is a Ronald Reagan.

    Like a hole in the head.

    Sadly none in sight, that Trump they have is not even a mockery of the great man.

    Reagan wasn't remotely great. Think about Contragate.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran%E2%80%93Contra_affair

    Secretly breaking an arms embargo against Iran to get funds to secretly finance right-wing terrorists - the Contras - in Nicaragua.

    That's about as squalid as politics gets.

    The USSR was put to its knees on his watch. Great man.

    He didn't have much to do with that. The US had been spending ridiculous amounts of money on weapons development since WW2, and the Soviet Union was silly enough to devote a much larger proportion of a rather smaller economy on trying to keep up. Reagan
    was lucky enough to still be president when the Soviet Union finally fell apart, brought down mainly by its own defects.

    Putin seems intent on making the same mistakes, in part because he sees informed criticism as a threat to his power, rather than as suggestions about how he might use it more wisely.

    --
    Bill Sloman, Sydney

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  • From David Brown@21:1/5 to All on Sat Feb 26 09:45:38 2022
    On 26/02/2022 07:07, Dimiter_Popoff wrote:


    The USSR was put to its knees on his watch.
    Great man.

    Correlation does not imply causation.

    He was an actor - he did what people around him directed him to do. To
    be fair on the guy, he /did/ have a reasonable (in comparison to many)
    group of advisors, and he certainly put up a good show of leading.
    (Remember Bush the elder? His must trusted advisor was his wife, and
    her advice came from her astrologist.)

    Most big things in the world happen as the consequence of long chains or
    webs of interconnected events, influences and coincidences. Even the
    leaders of the most powerful countries in world seldom have much direct
    effect in the big picture. In particular, they seldom have much /good/
    effect - but they /can/ screw things up fairly quickly.

    The collapse of the USSR was the result of decades of pressure. Regan contributed his few straws to the camel's back, just like his
    predecessors. Other than that, he just happened to be the guy in the
    office at the time. "The USSR was put to its knees on his watch" - he
    was watching, he did not put the USSR to its knees.

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  • From John Doe@21:1/5 to All on Sat Feb 26 10:25:06 2022
    Bozo Bill Sloman is an attention-craving chronic liar who cannot be
    reasoned with...

    "the Mueller investigation was about Trump only because Trump made it so"
    (Bozo paraphrased)

    "the concepts "male" and "female" are essentially social constructions"
    (Bill Sloman)

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  • From Dimiter_Popoff@21:1/5 to David Brown on Sat Feb 26 13:24:19 2022
    On 2/26/2022 10:45, David Brown wrote:
    On 26/02/2022 07:07, Dimiter_Popoff wrote:


    The USSR was put to its knees on his watch.
    Great man.

    Correlation does not imply causation.

    He was an actor - he did what people around him directed him to do. To
    be fair on the guy, he /did/ have a reasonable (in comparison to many)
    group of advisors, and he certainly put up a good show of leading.
    (Remember Bush the elder? His must trusted advisor was his wife, and
    her advice came from her astrologist.)

    Most big things in the world happen as the consequence of long chains or
    webs of interconnected events, influences and coincidences. Even the
    leaders of the most powerful countries in world seldom have much direct effect in the big picture. In particular, they seldom have much /good/ effect - but they /can/ screw things up fairly quickly.

    The collapse of the USSR was the result of decades of pressure. Regan contributed his few straws to the camel's back, just like his
    predecessors. Other than that, he just happened to be the guy in the
    office at the time. "The USSR was put to its knees on his watch" - he
    was watching, he did not put the USSR to its knees.



    Of course he did not do it single handed and of course he built on
    what his predecessors had built.

    But 8 years in the White House takes quite a correlation without
    having to do with the cause.
    He was an actor - like *any* president, this is the major part of the
    job.
    And he was wiser than most to delegate to competent people instead of
    trying to play important.
    Great man.

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  • From Anthony William Sloman@21:1/5 to Dimiter Popoff on Sat Feb 26 04:50:11 2022
    On Saturday, February 26, 2022 at 10:24:32 PM UTC+11, Dimiter Popoff wrote:
    On 2/26/2022 10:45, David Brown wrote:
    On 26/02/2022 07:07, Dimiter_Popoff wrote:


    The USSR was put to its knees on his watch.
    Great man.

    Correlation does not imply causation.

    He was an actor - he did what people around him directed him to do. To
    be fair on the guy, he /did/ have a reasonable (in comparison to many) group of advisors, and he certainly put up a good show of leading. (Remember Bush the elder? His must trusted advisor was his wife, and
    her advice came from her astrologist.)

    Most big things in the world happen as the consequence of long chains or webs of interconnected events, influences and coincidences. Even the leaders of the most powerful countries in world seldom have much direct effect in the big picture. In particular, they seldom have much /good/ effect - but they /can/ screw things up fairly quickly.

    The collapse of the USSR was the result of decades of pressure. Regan contributed his few straws to the camel's back, just like his
    predecessors. Other than that, he just happened to be the guy in the
    office at the time. "The USSR was put to its knees on his watch" - he
    was watching, he did not put the USSR to its knees.

    Of course he did not do it single handed and of course he built on
    what his predecessors had built.

    But 8 years in the White House takes quite a correlation without having to do with the cause.

    He didn't seem to be doing much of it at the time. The Star Wars initiative pushed up the imaginary military pressure on Russia, but Ronald Reagan really didn't have anything to offer on that.

    He was an actor - like *any* president, this is the major part of the job.

    In his case, playing the part was what he did best, and seems to be the the only thing that seems to have got his actual attention. The fuss he made a bout getting his hair dye right was a bit of a giveaway.

    And he was wiser than most to delegate to competent people instead of trying to play important.

    I think the boot was on the other foot. Other people got him to do the job he was competent at, which was impersonating a leader.
    Trump imagined himself to be a leader, and played the role correspondingly badly.

    Great man.

    Adequate actor. His wife's enthusiasm for consulting astrologers doesn't match the "great man" image.

    --
    Bill Sloman, Sydney

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  • From Anthony William Sloman@21:1/5 to Flyguy on Sat Feb 26 05:50:40 2022
    On Friday, February 25, 2022 at 7:57:56 AM UTC+11, Flyguy wrote:
    On Thursday, February 24, 2022 at 12:46:17 PM UTC-8, John Doe wrote:
    Flyguy wrote:

    ...which is to open up and mandate the drilling, transport, and refining of ALL of our oil reserves.
    Even before Biden, Europe was importing a large part of its oil and gas from
    Russia. Europe couldn't care less about the spat between Russia and Ukraine.
    Even if they wanted to do something about it, they aren't, and we are not the
    world's police.

    This "Russia Russia Russia war war war" garbage is all about supporting the
    military-industrial complex and its political puppets, and the media.

    Russia controlled Ukraine and many other countries up until the 1990s. The only theory for why the Russia-Ukraine conflict might be an effort to reestablish the USSR is a response to the continuing fall of our civilization. Otherwise, the same forces that made Russia release those countries are still in play today.

    The USSR fell apart in the 90s because they went bankrupt and could not compete with the West economically. Countering Russia's aggression should be done the same way: economically. And this means reducing their primary source of revenue: oil. Joe
    Biden is a puppet for the greenies and won't do this.

    Imagining that Joe Biden is any kind of puppet for any green faction is the kind of demented lunacy that Flyguy does go in for.

    One has to wonder who he imagines leads this imaginary green faction, and how this imaginary leader of this imaginary faction is going to manage to pull Joe Biden's strings?

    Presumably Flyguy imagines that the US could start exporting enough oil to under-cut Russia's oil exports.

    <https://www.eia.gov/energyexplained/oil-and-petroleum-products/imports-and-exports.php>

    While it is true that the US has recently just - barely - become a net exporter of petroleum products, it hasn't got the capacity to swamp Russia, and it would take a while to get more oil out of those few reserves that the the US hasn't already
    exploited to the hilt, and it isn't going to be cheap oil.

    --
    Bill Sloman, Sydney

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  • From Joe Gwinn@21:1/5 to david.brown@hesbynett.no on Sat Feb 26 13:28:10 2022
    On Sat, 26 Feb 2022 09:45:38 +0100, David Brown
    <david.brown@hesbynett.no> wrote:

    On 26/02/2022 07:07, Dimiter_Popoff wrote:


    The USSR was put to its knees on his watch.
    Great man.

    Correlation does not imply causation.

    He was an actor - he did what people around him directed him to do. To
    be fair on the guy, he /did/ have a reasonable (in comparison to many)
    group of advisors, and he certainly put up a good show of leading.
    (Remember Bush the elder? His must trusted advisor was his wife, and
    her advice came from her astrologist.)

    Most big things in the world happen as the consequence of long chains or
    webs of interconnected events, influences and coincidences. Even the
    leaders of the most powerful countries in world seldom have much direct >effect in the big picture. In particular, they seldom have much /good/ >effect - but they /can/ screw things up fairly quickly.

    The collapse of the USSR was the result of decades of pressure. Regan >contributed his few straws to the camel's back, just like his
    predecessors. Other than that, he just happened to be the guy in the
    office at the time. "The USSR was put to its knees on his watch" - he
    was watching, he did not put the USSR to its knees.

    While it is certainly true that there were decades of pressure, the
    containment policy, Reagan did give the Soviet Union the final push,
    by bankrupting the SU.

    Their economy basically did not work, and their military was quite
    expensive. Star Wars basically pulled the SU into a spending contest
    with a far richer opponent, as did expanding the Navy to 600 ships
    (target, not quite achieved), and the Army, etc, with no end in sight.
    Size of economy does matter.

    Joe Gwinn

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  • From David Brown@21:1/5 to Joe Gwinn on Sat Feb 26 20:03:55 2022
    On 26/02/2022 19:28, Joe Gwinn wrote:
    On Sat, 26 Feb 2022 09:45:38 +0100, David Brown
    <david.brown@hesbynett.no> wrote:

    On 26/02/2022 07:07, Dimiter_Popoff wrote:


    The USSR was put to its knees on his watch.
    Great man.

    Correlation does not imply causation.

    He was an actor - he did what people around him directed him to do. To
    be fair on the guy, he /did/ have a reasonable (in comparison to many)
    group of advisors, and he certainly put up a good show of leading.
    (Remember Bush the elder? His must trusted advisor was his wife, and
    her advice came from her astrologist.)

    Most big things in the world happen as the consequence of long chains or
    webs of interconnected events, influences and coincidences. Even the
    leaders of the most powerful countries in world seldom have much direct
    effect in the big picture. In particular, they seldom have much /good/
    effect - but they /can/ screw things up fairly quickly.

    The collapse of the USSR was the result of decades of pressure. Regan
    contributed his few straws to the camel's back, just like his
    predecessors. Other than that, he just happened to be the guy in the
    office at the time. "The USSR was put to its knees on his watch" - he
    was watching, he did not put the USSR to its knees.

    While it is certainly true that there were decades of pressure, the containment policy, Reagan did give the Soviet Union the final push,
    by bankrupting the SU.

    Their economy basically did not work, and their military was quite
    expensive. Star Wars basically pulled the SU into a spending contest
    with a far richer opponent, as did expanding the Navy to 600 ships
    (target, not quite achieved), and the Army, etc, with no end in sight.
    Size of economy does matter.


    Crediting Regan with the final push (or crediting him with picking the
    staff and advisors that did this) is reasonable. Making it sound like
    he single-handedly brought down the USSR is not.

    "Star Wars" was quite successful, in its way - not bad for a bigger work
    of fiction than George Lucas's version!

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  • From Joe Gwinn@21:1/5 to david.brown@hesbynett.no on Sat Feb 26 14:34:42 2022
    On Sat, 26 Feb 2022 20:03:55 +0100, David Brown
    <david.brown@hesbynett.no> wrote:

    On 26/02/2022 19:28, Joe Gwinn wrote:
    On Sat, 26 Feb 2022 09:45:38 +0100, David Brown
    <david.brown@hesbynett.no> wrote:

    On 26/02/2022 07:07, Dimiter_Popoff wrote:


    The USSR was put to its knees on his watch.
    Great man.

    Correlation does not imply causation.

    He was an actor - he did what people around him directed him to do. To
    be fair on the guy, he /did/ have a reasonable (in comparison to many)
    group of advisors, and he certainly put up a good show of leading.
    (Remember Bush the elder? His must trusted advisor was his wife, and
    her advice came from her astrologist.)

    Most big things in the world happen as the consequence of long chains or >>> webs of interconnected events, influences and coincidences. Even the
    leaders of the most powerful countries in world seldom have much direct
    effect in the big picture. In particular, they seldom have much /good/
    effect - but they /can/ screw things up fairly quickly.

    The collapse of the USSR was the result of decades of pressure. Regan
    contributed his few straws to the camel's back, just like his
    predecessors. Other than that, he just happened to be the guy in the
    office at the time. "The USSR was put to its knees on his watch" - he
    was watching, he did not put the USSR to its knees.

    While it is certainly true that there were decades of pressure, the
    containment policy, Reagan did give the Soviet Union the final push,
    by bankrupting the SU.

    Their economy basically did not work, and their military was quite
    expensive. Star Wars basically pulled the SU into a spending contest
    with a far richer opponent, as did expanding the Navy to 600 ships
    (target, not quite achieved), and the Army, etc, with no end in sight.
    Size of economy does matter.


    Crediting Regan with the final push (or crediting him with picking the
    staff and advisors that did this) is reasonable. Making it sound like
    he single-handedly brought down the USSR is not.

    Well, we do tend to give the person who actually got to done the
    credit, versus endlessly studying and talking about it.


    "Star Wars" was quite successful, in its way - not bad for a bigger work
    of fiction than George Lucas's version!

    Well yes and no.

    There is a long history: <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_Nike>

    While it was certainly beyond the technology to make an impervious
    shield, it was not impossible to very much complicate things for the
    opponent.

    Basically, if one neutralized say 90% of the incoming missiles, the
    cities would still be toast. But it would be impossible to reliably
    destroy hardened targets. Like the missile silos in North Dakota. So
    a surprise first strike could not prevent a full counter strike, so
    the attacker's cities would also soon be toast.

    This greatly reduced the pressure to launch on warning, before the
    incoming missiles arrived and destroyed the silos, versus waiting and
    counting explosions. This makes panic-driven misjudgments far less
    likely - always a good thing.


    Joe Gwinn (whose father worked on the Nike-X program)

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  • From Dimiter_Popoff@21:1/5 to David Brown on Sat Feb 26 21:38:00 2022
    On 2/26/2022 21:03, David Brown wrote:
    On 26/02/2022 19:28, Joe Gwinn wrote:
    On Sat, 26 Feb 2022 09:45:38 +0100, David Brown
    <david.brown@hesbynett.no> wrote:

    On 26/02/2022 07:07, Dimiter_Popoff wrote:


    The USSR was put to its knees on his watch.
    Great man.

    Correlation does not imply causation.

    He was an actor - he did what people around him directed him to do. To
    be fair on the guy, he /did/ have a reasonable (in comparison to many)
    group of advisors, and he certainly put up a good show of leading.
    (Remember Bush the elder? His must trusted advisor was his wife, and
    her advice came from her astrologist.)

    Most big things in the world happen as the consequence of long chains or >>> webs of interconnected events, influences and coincidences. Even the
    leaders of the most powerful countries in world seldom have much direct
    effect in the big picture. In particular, they seldom have much /good/
    effect - but they /can/ screw things up fairly quickly.

    The collapse of the USSR was the result of decades of pressure. Regan
    contributed his few straws to the camel's back, just like his
    predecessors. Other than that, he just happened to be the guy in the
    office at the time. "The USSR was put to its knees on his watch" - he
    was watching, he did not put the USSR to its knees.

    While it is certainly true that there were decades of pressure, the
    containment policy, Reagan did give the Soviet Union the final push,
    by bankrupting the SU.

    Their economy basically did not work, and their military was quite
    expensive. Star Wars basically pulled the SU into a spending contest
    with a far richer opponent, as did expanding the Navy to 600 ships
    (target, not quite achieved), and the Army, etc, with no end in sight.
    Size of economy does matter.


    Crediting Regan with the final push (or crediting him with picking the
    staff and advisors that did this) is reasonable. Making it sound like
    he single-handedly brought down the USSR is not.

    No man ever has single-handedly defeated any empire, obviously.
    But there is more to it than the obvious. Reagan was just made for
    the job. Any good leader must be a good actor and act such that
    his people will follow him; he was that *and* he believed what he was
    doing was right. Or at least this is what the world saw.

    Picking the next good actor to do a similar job is a difficult thing.
    The actors are known by the characters they enact and this is not
    enough for those who pick them to pick one. Hopefully they find someone,
    not just anybody only because anybody will do better than Trump.


    "Star Wars" was quite successful, in its way - not bad for a bigger work
    of fiction than George Lucas's version!


    Indeed, I wonder to what extent did the Russians fall for it. Perhaps
    those within the KGB knew, perhaps not. But the media effect on the
    people in the East Block was huge, we all thought "now let me see
    the Russians match *that*" (the media here was whining how bad they
    were wanting to militarize space etc.).

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  • From Dmitriy Pshonkin@21:1/5 to All on Sat Feb 26 12:02:11 2022
    Guys, in my opinion there is no way back.
    I didn't believe it was possible until a few days ago.
    Now the reality is
    The USSR is reborn.
    American fucking democracy is going home with Trump and Biden.
    Europe sits without gas and agricultural fertilizers, drinking its own wine. Nazis bombing Donetsk for 8 years clear snow in Siberia.
    NATO leaves the Baltics, chewing snot.
    Taiwan is not USA's sphere of influence.
    Russians have nothing to lose, except for the Motherland.
    Putin is a president with balls of steel.

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  • From Dimiter_Popoff@21:1/5 to Dmitriy Pshonkin on Sat Feb 26 22:26:14 2022
    On 2/26/2022 22:02, Dmitriy Pshonkin wrote:
    Guys, in my opinion there is no way back.
    I didn't believe it was possible until a few days ago.
    Now the reality is
    The USSR is reborn.
    American fucking democracy is going home with Trump and Biden.
    Europe sits without gas and agricultural fertilizers, drinking its own wine. Nazis bombing Donetsk for 8 years clear snow in Siberia.
    NATO leaves the Baltics, chewing snot.
    Taiwan is not USA's sphere of influence.
    Russians have nothing to lose, except for the Motherland.
    Putin is a president with balls of steel.

    Putin is nowhere near a person with steel balls, he is just a bully
    whose courage will expire if left in the open.
    No chance for the USSR to be reborn, perhaps the remnants of Russia
    will choose to call themselves that and this is it.
    And yes, Putin needs to first do the job he started in Ukraine.
    Does not seem to be the easy ride he expected.

    Biden and Trump may make the free wold look pathetic but beware, they
    are far from a representative pick.

    I don't know if Putin has already made the worst mistake or is about
    to make it, namely threatening a NATO country.
    And I am pretty sure he won't be given the chance to press the button
    first.

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  • From Dmitriy Pshonkin@21:1/5 to All on Sat Feb 26 12:49:36 2022
    I was in Grozny (Chechnya) this summer.
    Do you remember what the city looked like after the war?
    Now it is a young flourishing city.
    America has been brainwashing Ukrainians since 1991, and especially since 2014. I was in Kyiv on the first "Maidan".
    Ukrainians are very active, passionate, but narrow-minded people.
    Now there will be no "Bandera", "Ukrainian rebel army",
    "moskalyaku on gilyaku", torchlight processions.
    The West created anti-Russia from Ukraine.

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  • From Dimiter_Popoff@21:1/5 to Dmitriy Pshonkin on Sat Feb 26 23:19:12 2022
    On 2/26/2022 22:49, Dmitriy Pshonkin wrote:
    ...
    The West created anti-Russia from Ukraine.

    Well they were looking at Poland over the border and saw
    them develop; they have also seen what life is in Russia
    and what it was for them.
    They made the obvious choice. The West is guilty of being
    a better place to live and thus attracting them to itself,
    in that sense you are correct.

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  • From StupidAs StupidGet@21:1/5 to Dmitriy Pshonkin on Sat Feb 26 13:17:13 2022
    On Saturday, February 26, 2022 at 12:49:45 PM UTC-8, Dmitriy Pshonkin wrote:
    I was in Grozny (Chechnya) this summer.
    Do you remember what the city looked like after the war?
    Now it is a young flourishing city.
    America has been brainwashing Ukrainians since 1991, and especially since 2014.
    I was in Kyiv on the first "Maidan".
    Ukrainians are very active, passionate, but narrow-minded people.
    Now there will be no "Bandera", "Ukrainian rebel army",
    "moskalyaku on gilyaku", torchlight processions.
    The West created anti-Russia from Ukraine.

    Go post in a Russian newsgroup. Most English speakers disagree with you.

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  • From Dmitriy Pshonkin@21:1/5 to All on Sat Feb 26 13:46:32 2022
    In Russian there is such a word "халява" = freebie.
    This is the main incentive.
    This is the same carrot in front of the noses of Ukrainians aimed at European integration.
    Ukraine was ruled by an oligarchy until the Americans came in 2014.
    I see how CNN and Euronews propaganda works.
    The missile that hit a multi-storey building today was Ukrainian anti-aircraft. Now new military assistance has been promised to the regime of the controlled Zelensky - together with the militants, she will be expelled to Poland.
    Lviv - the Polish city will be again.
    With Stingers and Javelins))

    The West is trying to undermine Russia inside.
    But the worse for the Russian, the better))

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  • From Dimiter_Popoff@21:1/5 to Dmitriy Pshonkin on Sun Feb 27 00:06:51 2022
    On 2/26/2022 23:46, Dmitriy Pshonkin wrote:
    In Russian there is such a word "халява" = freebie.
    This is the main incentive.
    This is the same carrot in front of the noses of Ukrainians aimed at European integration.
    Ukraine was ruled by an oligarchy until the Americans came in 2014.
    I see how CNN and Euronews propaganda works.

    Didn't know the халява word. But *no*, this is not the incentive
    for people to want to westernize. What people want is to have a
    future to look forward to. In oligarch (i.e. feudal) countries there is
    no such thing, if you live in Russia you will know that.
    Now how much of it is there in real life elsewhere can be debated
    but this is what people are looking/hoping for. Usually they find
    out life is not as easy and shiny in the West as they hoped it would
    be but although harder than expected they do get a chance they
    could not hope to get while in oligarch land.

    The missile that hit a multi-storey building today was Ukrainian anti-aircraft.

    So you seriously believe what the Putin media tell you about that?
    Not that it is impossible but they also tell you that after 3 days
    of heavy fights they have no casualties...

    Now new military assistance has been promised to the regime of the controlled Zelensky - together with the militants, she will be expelled to Poland.
    Lviv - the Polish city will be again.
    With Stingers and Javelins))

    Well he asked for help and hopefully he will get it.

    The West is trying to undermine Russia inside.

    Well this is what enemies do. The Kremlin does the same, troll
    farms and everything.

    But the worse for the Russian, the better))

    I know the Russians are capable of putting up with hardships,
    but to look for these... At the moment they are under control of
    yet another psychopath whose idol is Stalin, do they really like that?

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  • From whit3rd@21:1/5 to Dimiter Popoff on Sat Feb 26 14:27:39 2022
    On Saturday, February 26, 2022 at 2:07:03 PM UTC-8, Dimiter Popoff wrote:
    On 2/26/2022 23:46, Dmitriy Pshonkin wrote:

    The West is trying to undermine Russia inside.

    Well this is what enemies do. The Kremlin does the same, troll
    farms and everything.

    It's not exactly the same. Some hacking exploits of the past, which are traced
    to Russians versus US, were, according to Putin, perhaps just 'patriotic' Russians.
    That sounds suspiciously like a letter of marque and reprisal, i.e. an official approval of attacks against a foreign nation. Such a letter of marque is an act of war.

    The US doesn't shield its citizens committing such misdeeds just because the victims are
    foreign.

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  • From Dimiter_Popoff@21:1/5 to All on Sun Feb 27 00:44:44 2022
    On 2/27/2022 0:27, whit3rd wrote:
    On Saturday, February 26, 2022 at 2:07:03 PM UTC-8, Dimiter Popoff wrote:
    On 2/26/2022 23:46, Dmitriy Pshonkin wrote:

    The West is trying to undermine Russia inside.

    Well this is what enemies do. The Kremlin does the same, troll
    farms and everything.

    It's not exactly the same. Some hacking exploits of the past, which are traced
    to Russians versus US, were, according to Putin, perhaps just 'patriotic' Russians.
    That sounds suspiciously like a letter of marque and reprisal, i.e. an official
    approval of attacks against a foreign nation. Such a letter of marque is an act of war.

    The US doesn't shield its citizens committing such misdeeds just because the victims are
    foreign.

    I know. But the typical thinking of those sympathizing with the
    Kremlin is that the western media are undermining their regime.

    Which they are, being guilty of showing life in the West as it is...

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  • From Anthony William Sloman@21:1/5 to Dimiter Popoff on Sat Feb 26 16:47:12 2022
    On Sunday, February 27, 2022 at 6:38:13 AM UTC+11, Dimiter Popoff wrote:
    On 2/26/2022 21:03, David Brown wrote:
    On 26/02/2022 19:28, Joe Gwinn wrote:
    On Sat, 26 Feb 2022 09:45:38 +0100, David Brown
    <david...@hesbynett.no> wrote:

    On 26/02/2022 07:07, Dimiter_Popoff wrote:


    The USSR was put to its knees on his watch.
    Great man.

    Correlation does not imply causation.

    He was an actor - he did what people around him directed him to do. To >>> be fair on the guy, he /did/ have a reasonable (in comparison to many) >>> group of advisors, and he certainly put up a good show of leading.
    (Remember Bush the elder? His must trusted advisor was his wife, and
    her advice came from her astrologist.)

    Most big things in the world happen as the consequence of long chains or >>> webs of interconnected events, influences and coincidences. Even the
    leaders of the most powerful countries in world seldom have much direct >>> effect in the big picture. In particular, they seldom have much /good/ >>> effect - but they /can/ screw things up fairly quickly.

    The collapse of the USSR was the result of decades of pressure. Regan
    contributed his few straws to the camel's back, just like his
    predecessors. Other than that, he just happened to be the guy in the
    office at the time. "The USSR was put to its knees on his watch" - he
    was watching, he did not put the USSR to its knees.

    While it is certainly true that there were decades of pressure, the
    containment policy, Reagan did give the Soviet Union the final push,
    by bankrupting the SU.

    Their economy basically did not work, and their military was quite
    expensive. Star Wars basically pulled the SU into a spending contest
    with a far richer opponent, as did expanding the Navy to 600 ships
    (target, not quite achieved), and the Army, etc, with no end in sight.
    Size of economy does matter.


    Crediting Regan with the final push (or crediting him with picking the staff and advisors that did this) is reasonable. Making it sound like
    he single-handedly brought down the USSR is not.

    No man ever has single-handedly defeated any empire, obviously.
    But there is more to it than the obvious. Reagan was just made for
    the job.

    Reagan was selected because he'd look good in the job. There's no evidence that he ever did much beyond looking good, and the "Contragate" scandal makes it perfectly clear that if he had any control of what as going on he have to have been a idiot.

    Any good leader must be a good actor and act such that
    his people will follow him; he was that *and* he believed what he was
    doing was right. Or at least this is what the world saw.

    Picking the next good actor to do a similar job is a difficult thing.
    The actors are known by the characters they enact and this is not
    enough for those who pick them to pick one.

    Good actors are known by the range of characters they can represent. Reagan wasn't famous for that - he was typecast a lot, and his gig as President of the US was just more of the same.

    Hopefully they find someone, not just anybody only because anybody will do better than Trump.

    Trump has considerable skills at playing gullible customers. He's useless with customers who can think for themselves, and his businesses went bankrupt often enough to suggest that he hasn't got any other valuable skill.

    "Star Wars" was quite successful, in its way - not bad for a bigger work of fiction than George Lucas's version!

    The George Lucas "Star Wars" was trivial rubbish. Effective entertainment, but no more than that.

    Indeed, I wonder to what extent did the Russians fall for it. Perhaps
    those within the KGB knew, perhaps not. But the media effect on the
    people in the East Block was huge, we all thought "now let me see
    the Russians match *that*" (the media here was whining how bad they
    were wanting to militarize space etc.).

    It was pretty silly, but the "take the high ground" principle did sound good. Expressed as "get into open space where everybody can take pot shots at you" it would have been less attractive.

    --
    Bill Sloman, Sydney

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  • From Anthony William Sloman@21:1/5 to Dmitriy Pshonkin on Sat Feb 26 17:02:44 2022
    On Sunday, February 27, 2022 at 7:02:21 AM UTC+11, Dmitriy Pshonkin wrote:
    Guys, in my opinion there is no way back.
    I didn't believe it was possible until a few days ago.
    Now the reality is
    The USSR is reborn.

    That's the line Putin is trying to sell.

    American fucking democracy is going home with Trump and Biden.

    America has never really got to democracy. It's political system rests of the idea that the people who own the country run the country, which is why it has a much higher level of income inequality that any other "advanced" industrial country. It may not
    be unsalvageable, but four years of Trump encouraged a lot of bad behavior, and Biden isn't all that well placed to undo the damage.

    Europe sits without gas and agricultural fertilizers, drinking its own wine.

    Australia is still selling quite a bit of wine there. There's a lot of gas around the world, and Europe can probably buy what it needs, though it will have to pay more than Russia was charging. Agricultural fertilizers are made by the chemical industry.
    Europe isn't going to run out.

    Nazis bombing Donetsk for 8 years clear snow in Siberia.
    NATO leaves the Baltics, chewing snot.

    Why would they?

    Taiwan is not USA's sphere of influence.

    Taiwan makes a lot of very advanced integrated circuits. That gives them their own sphere of influence.

    Russians have nothing to lose, except for the Motherland.

    They haven't got a great standard of living or a high life expectancy.

    Putin is a president with balls of steel.

    And a brain of cardboard. Like Trump, he believes his own nonsense propaganda.

    --
    Bill Sloman, Sydney

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  • From DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno@decadenc@21:1/5 to dp@tgi-sci.com on Sun Feb 27 04:00:02 2022
    Dimiter_Popoff <dp@tgi-sci.com> wrote in
    news:svcg29$f56$1@dont-email.me:

    On 2/26/2022 4:55, Anthony William Sloman wrote:
    On Saturday, February 26, 2022 at 12:36:24 AM UTC+11, Dimiter
    Popoff wrote:
    On 2/25/2022 1:51, Phil Allison wrote:
    Flyguy wrote:
    ==========

    ...which is to open up and mandate the drilling, transport,
    and refining of ALL of our oil reserves.

    ** Putin is betting that they won't.
    He has planned, calculated and timed the invasion of the
    Ukraine to the minute.

    But I wonder how long can he can he hold onto control ?

    He probably can hold it for as long as he is in the Kremlin.
    He has kill lists in place as part of the preparation of the
    invasion, he is a KGB man, remember.

    What the world *badly* needs at the moment is a Ronald Reagan.

    Like a hole in the head.

    Sadly none in sight, that Trump they have is not even a mockery
    of the great man.

    Reagan wasn't remotely great. Think about Contragate.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran%E2%80%93Contra_affair

    Secretly breaking an arms embargo against Iran to get funds to
    secretly finance right-wing terrorists - the Contras - in
    Nicaragua.

    That's about as squalid as politics gets.


    The USSR was put to its knees on his watch.
    Great man.


    The USSR was put to their own knees for denying themsleves a place
    on the global economic table. THAT is why they faultered. Having to
    pay in gold for US dollars to make trades with nations only willing
    to accept US dollars. They were doomed the moment they started the
    cold war. It finally took them down completely. Reagan just
    happened to be the dude on watch at the time.

    So we let them in on the world stage and they take the computers we
    let them have and hack at the world with them, and they take all the
    dollars they get to play with now and but war hardware and let a
    warmonger "lead" them back... into war. Give the bully kiddies
    some money and they go right back to being bullies again.

    We should cut their undersea cables and down all their satellites
    for deciding to harm others.

    In fact if we played like them, they would already be vapor...
    dust...

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  • From DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno@decadenc@21:1/5 to Dmitriy Pshonkin on Sun Feb 27 05:36:28 2022
    Dmitriy Pshonkin <plastcontrol.ru@gmail.com> wrote in news:984b5ef4- e8fd-4992-8697-62f42c36f4c1n@googlegroups.com:

    Dmitriy Pshonkin

    You are an abject idiot.

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  • From Dmitriy Pshonkin@21:1/5 to All on Sun Feb 27 08:12:51 2022
    I experienced "La sindrome di Stendhal" after visiting Florence.
    Upon returning to St. Petersburg, for two weeks I was in a hurry to lie down and fall asleep in order to see incredible colorful dreams!
    Too bad this will never happen again...

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  • From jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com@21:1/5 to plastcontrol.ru@gmail.com on Sun Feb 27 09:17:13 2022
    On Sun, 27 Feb 2022 08:12:51 -0800 (PST), Dmitriy Pshonkin <plastcontrol.ru@gmail.com> wrote:

    I experienced "La sindrome di Stendhal" after visiting Florence.
    Upon returning to St. Petersburg, for two weeks I was in a hurry to lie down and fall asleep in order to see incredible colorful dreams!
    Too bad this will never happen again...

    Was that more distressing or pleasant? Sounds like fun.

    I rarely have hallucinations and really enjoy them. Among other
    virtues, that's the only time I have perfect vision with vivid colors.



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  • From Dmitriy Pshonkin@21:1/5 to All on Sun Feb 27 09:27:37 2022
    I experienced "La sindrome di Stendhal" after visiting Florence.
    Upon returning to St. Petersburg, for two weeks I was in a hurry to lie down and fall asleep in order to see incredible colorful dreams!
    Too bad this will never happen again...
    Was that more distressing or pleasant? Sounds like fun.

    I rarely have hallucinations and really enjoy them. Among other
    virtues, that's the only time I have perfect vision with vivid colors.

    It was incredibly enjoyable.
    Botticelli played his joke on me))

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  • From Dean Hoffman@21:1/5 to Flyguy on Sun Feb 27 09:44:17 2022
    On Thursday, February 24, 2022 at 2:57:56 PM UTC-6, Flyguy wrote:
    On Thursday, February 24, 2022 at 12:46:17 PM UTC-8, John Doe wrote:
    Flyguy wrote:

    ...which is to open up and mandate the drilling, transport, and refining of ALL of our oil reserves.
    Even before Biden, Europe was importing a large part of its oil and gas from
    Russia. Europe couldn't care less about the spat between Russia and Ukraine.
    Even if they wanted to do something about it, they aren't, and we are not the
    world's police.

    This "Russia Russia Russia war war war" garbage is all about supporting the
    military-industrial complex and its political puppets, and the media.

    Russia controlled Ukraine and many other countries up until the 1990s. The only theory for why the Russia-Ukraine conflict might be an effort to reestablish the USSR is a response to the continuing fall of our civilization. Otherwise, the same forces that made Russia release those countries are still in play today.
    The USSR fell apart in the 90s because they went bankrupt and could not compete with the West economically. Countering Russia's aggression should be done the same way: economically. And this means reducing their primary source of revenue: oil. Lyin'
    Biden is a puppet for the greenies and won't do this.
    This article makes it sound like Biden wasn't the one slowing things down. Some
    European countries economies are a bit too closely linked to Russia's. <shorturl.at/kqI07>
    The link leads to NBC News.

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  • From jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com@21:1/5 to plastcontrol.ru@gmail.com on Sun Feb 27 09:40:54 2022
    On Sun, 27 Feb 2022 09:27:37 -0800 (PST), Dmitriy Pshonkin <plastcontrol.ru@gmail.com> wrote:

    I experienced "La sindrome di Stendhal" after visiting Florence.
    Upon returning to St. Petersburg, for two weeks I was in a hurry to lie down and fall asleep in order to see incredible colorful dreams!
    Too bad this will never happen again...
    Was that more distressing or pleasant? Sounds like fun.

    I rarely have hallucinations and really enjoy them. Among other
    virtues, that's the only time I have perfect vision with vivid colors.

    It was incredibly enjoyable.
    Botticelli played his joke on me))

    It might happen again.

    I wish I could determine the trigger to my hallucinations, food or
    whatever. More would be cool.

    After a few trips to England and Ireland, I have brief visions of
    beautiful village and country scenes, usually still but rarely in
    motion. I sometimes see beautiful female faces. Just a few seconds,
    just a few times per year.

    Paris didn't inspire me. Mostly blocky and grey.



    --

    I yam what I yam - Popeye

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  • From John Doe@21:1/5 to Dean Hoffman on Sun Feb 27 21:04:39 2022
    Dean Hoffman wrote:

    This article makes it sound like Biden wasn't the one slowing things
    down. Some European countries economies are a bit too closely linked to Russia's.

    <shorturl.at/kqI07>

    The link leads to NBC News.

    Yep!

    A simple Google search shows many European countries are importing oil and
    gas from Russia. The fact Germany destroyed its own nuclear power plants
    makes it more dependent on Russia. And somehow we are supposed to fight
    the war they are not fighting.

    Germany has gone berserk. I won't be surprised if they start acting up,
    too. It wouldn't be the first time.

    The only negative about nuclear power plants as they are easy to target.
    Maybe that's why Germany is trying to do without them, preparation for
    war.

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  • From John Doe@21:1/5 to Dean Hoffman on Sun Feb 27 21:06:16 2022
    Dean Hoffman wrote:

    <shorturl.at/kqI07>

    The link leads to NBC News.

    BTW... That doesn't work in Xnews.

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  • From Anthony William Sloman@21:1/5 to John Doe on Sun Feb 27 19:28:22 2022
    On Monday, February 28, 2022 at 8:04:50 AM UTC+11, John Doe wrote:
    Dean Hoffman wrote:

    This article makes it sound like Biden wasn't the one slowing things
    down. Some European countries economies are a bit too closely linked to Russia's.

    <shorturl.at/kqI07>

    The link leads to NBC News.
    Yep!

    A simple Google search shows many European countries are importing oil and gas from Russia. The fact Germany destroyed its own nuclear power plants makes it more dependent on Russia. And somehow we are supposed to fight
    the war they are not fighting.

    Germany has gone berserk.

    If they had, they would have been fighting.

    "early 19th century (originally as a noun denoting an ancient Norse warrior who fought with wild or uncontrolled ferocity): from Old Norse berserkr (noun), probably from birn-, bjorn (see bear2) + serkr ‘coat’, but also possibly from berr ‘bare’ (
    i.e. without armour)."

    John Doe's grasp of English isn't good.

    I won't be surprised if they start acting up, too. It wouldn't be the first time.

    Claiming that Germany has gone berserk would be claiming that they were acting up. They aren't. They do seem to be applying economic sanctions against Russia.

    The only negative about nuclear power plants as they are easy to target.

    That is a short term disadvantage. In the long term you have put the radioative waste in a very secure repository that will keep it safely isolated for a few hundred thousand years. John Doe hasn't taken this on board.

    Maybe that's why Germany is trying to do without them, preparation for war.

    Wrong. They got shut down after Fukushima had reminded people that even well run nuclear reactors could create environmental disasters when something unexpected happened. War didn't come into it.

    --
    Bill Sloman, Sydney

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  • From John Doe@21:1/5 to All on Wed Mar 2 06:57:27 2022
    Bozo "The Clown" Sloman.

    Bozo Bill Sloman is an attention-craving chronic liar who cannot be
    reasoned with...

    "the Mueller investigation was about Trump only because Trump made it so"
    (Bozo paraphrased)

    "the concepts "male" and "female" are essentially social constructions"
    (Bill Sloman)

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  • From Anthony William Sloman@21:1/5 to All on Wed Mar 2 06:39:01 2022
    On Wednesday, March 2, 2022 at 5:57:37 PM UTC+11, John Doe wrote:

    <snip>

    Bozo "The Clown" John Doe can't think up anything relevant to say, so he re-posts moronic abuse from previous threads.

    --
    Bill Sloman, Sydney

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  • From Flyguy@21:1/5 to dean...@gmail.com on Wed Mar 2 13:38:24 2022
    On Thursday, February 24, 2022 at 2:04:09 PM UTC-8, dean...@gmail.com wrote:
    On Thursday, February 24, 2022 at 2:05:06 PM UTC-6, Flyguy wrote:
    ...which is to open up and mandate the drilling, transport, and refining of ALL of our oil reserves.
    I didn't realize the President had the authority to require ordinary people to work. Military?
    China just signed an agreement to buy 100 million tons of coal from Russia. India already had an agreement to buy 40 million tons.
    <https://www.foxnews.com/world/russia-china-new-coal-deal-state-media>
    I remember when Nixon went to China. The U.S. was going to play the Soviet Union
    off against the Chinese. Times change.

    The President, along with the rest of the Dims, have the power to make not working more attractive than working. Who is going to work when they can make more money from unemployment? And it is well known that people will take LESS money because it is a
    paid vacation.

    There is an alternative, it is called "workfare:" https://aninjusticemag.com/welfare-or-workfare-2c44ac507449

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  • From Anthony William Sloman@21:1/5 to Flyguy on Wed Mar 2 18:19:32 2022
    On Thursday, March 3, 2022 at 8:38:32 AM UTC+11, Flyguy wrote:
    On Thursday, February 24, 2022 at 2:04:09 PM UTC-8, dean...@gmail.com wrote:
    On Thursday, February 24, 2022 at 2:05:06 PM UTC-6, Flyguy wrote:
    ...which is to open up and mandate the drilling, transport, and refining of ALL of our oil reserves.
    I didn't realize the President had the authority to require ordinary people to work. Military?
    China just signed an agreement to buy 100 million tons of coal from Russia. India already had an agreement to buy 40 million tons.
    <https://www.foxnews.com/world/russia-china-new-coal-deal-state-media>
    I remember when Nixon went to China. The U.S. was going to play the Soviet Union
    off against the Chinese. Times change.

    The President, along with the rest of the Democrats, have the power to make not working more attractive than working. Who is going to work when they can make more money from unemployment? And it is well known that people will take LESS money because it
    is a paid vacation.

    People like working. It's not just the money - they like the social aspect of cooperating with other people. Right-wing lunatics don't get this - they like their economic theories to be simple enough to be mathematically tractable, and reject any move to
    make them realistic enough to have any predictive power.

    Flyguy hasn't got a clue about this (or anything else much).

    There is an alternative, it is called "workfare:"

    <snipped the usual drivel>

    --
    Bill Sloman, Sydney

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  • From DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno@decadenc@21:1/5 to Flyguy on Thu Mar 3 02:29:45 2022
    Flyguy <soar2morrow@yahoo.com> wrote in news:0df814ff-f5f9-4f97-bdee- 00e0588d5d3cn@googlegroups.com:

    There is an alternative,

    Yeah, your whore mother could have pulled the flush handle.

    You could not be more stupid if you tried.

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  • From Flyguy@21:1/5 to bill....@ieee.org on Wed Mar 2 21:36:44 2022
    On Wednesday, March 2, 2022 at 6:19:40 PM UTC-8, bill....@ieee.org wrote:
    On Thursday, March 3, 2022 at 8:38:32 AM UTC+11, Flyguy wrote:
    On Thursday, February 24, 2022 at 2:04:09 PM UTC-8, dean...@gmail.com wrote:
    On Thursday, February 24, 2022 at 2:05:06 PM UTC-6, Flyguy wrote:
    ...which is to open up and mandate the drilling, transport, and refining of ALL of our oil reserves.
    I didn't realize the President had the authority to require ordinary people to work. Military?
    China just signed an agreement to buy 100 million tons of coal from Russia. India already had an agreement to buy 40 million tons.
    <https://www.foxnews.com/world/russia-china-new-coal-deal-state-media>
    I remember when Nixon went to China. The U.S. was going to play the Soviet Union
    off against the Chinese. Times change.

    The President, along with the rest of the Democrats, have the power to make not working more attractive than working. Who is going to work when they can make more money from unemployment? And it is well known that people will take LESS money because
    it is a paid vacation.

    People like working. It's not just the money - they like the social aspect of cooperating with other people. Right-wing lunatics don't get this - they like their economic theories to be simple enough to be mathematically tractable, and reject any move
    to make them realistic enough to have any predictive power.

    Flyguy hasn't got a clue about this (or anything else much).
    There is an alternative, it is called "workfare:"
    <snipped the usual drivel>

    --
    Bill Sloman, Sydney

    LOL! SNIPPERMAN is just NUTS!! Who here would prefer work to a paid vacation??? Maybe SNIPPERMAN - he consistently demonstrates he is out of his mind!!!!

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  • From Flyguy@21:1/5 to DecadentLinux...@decadence.org on Wed Mar 2 21:38:22 2022
    On Wednesday, March 2, 2022 at 6:29:57 PM UTC-8, DecadentLinux...@decadence.org wrote:
    Flyguy <soar2...@yahoo.com> wrote in news:0df814ff-f5f9-4f97-bdee- 00e058...@googlegroups.com:

    There is an alternative,

    Yeah, your whore mother could have pulled the flush handle.

    You could not be more stupid if you tried.

    Y AA WWW NNNNN....

    DecayedBrainMatter, could you PLEASE come up with some NEW material or get the hell out of here???

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  • From Anthony William Sloman@21:1/5 to Flyguy on Wed Mar 2 22:37:07 2022
    On Thursday, March 3, 2022 at 4:36:51 PM UTC+11, Flyguy wrote:
    On Wednesday, March 2, 2022 at 6:19:40 PM UTC-8, bill....@ieee.org wrote:
    On Thursday, March 3, 2022 at 8:38:32 AM UTC+11, Flyguy wrote:
    On Thursday, February 24, 2022 at 2:04:09 PM UTC-8, dean...@gmail.com wrote:
    On Thursday, February 24, 2022 at 2:05:06 PM UTC-6, Flyguy wrote:
    ...which is to open up and mandate the drilling, transport, and refining of ALL of our oil reserves.
    I didn't realize the President had the authority to require ordinary people to work. Military?
    China just signed an agreement to buy 100 million tons of coal from Russia. India already had an agreement to buy 40 million tons.
    <https://www.foxnews.com/world/russia-china-new-coal-deal-state-media> I remember when Nixon went to China. The U.S. was going to play the Soviet Union
    off against the Chinese. Times change.

    The President, along with the rest of the Democrats, have the power to make not working more attractive than working. Who is going to work when they can make more money from unemployment? And it is well known that people will take LESS money
    because it is a paid vacation.

    People like working. It's not just the money - they like the social aspect of cooperating with other people. Right-wing lunatics don't get this - they like their economic theories to be simple enough to be mathematically tractable, and reject any
    move to make them realistic enough to have any predictive power.

    Flyguy hasn't got a clue about this (or anything else much).

    There is an alternative, it is called "workfare:"
    <snipped the usual drivel>

    LOL! Sloman is just NUTS!! Who here would prefer work to a paid vacation??? Maybe Sloman - he consistently demonstrates he is out of his mind!!!!

    I suspect that most of the people who post here get bored on vacation, and start thinking about the more interesting aspects of their current projects.

    Flyguy wouldn't have clue about that. The idea that there is science in designing electronic circuits is implicit in the group name - sci.electronics.design but people like him and John Larkin, who don't really get the concept, post here anyway.

    --
    Bill Sloman, Sydney

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  • From DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno@decadenc@21:1/5 to Flyguy on Thu Mar 3 07:14:06 2022
    Flyguy <soar2morrow@yahoo.com> wrote in news:04f4f929-d517-41c3-bfff-37e071cb569an@googlegroups.com:

    LOL!

    Grow the fuck up, immature punk.

    SNIPPERMAN

    Grow the fuck up, immature punk.

    is just NUTS!! Who here would prefer work to a
    paid vacation???

    One relief check is NOT a paid vacation, you republitard dumbfuck.

    Maybe SNIPPERMAN - he consistently demonstrates
    he is out of his mind!!!!

    No... That would be the 'makes it up as he goes along' dumbfuck
    posting here as Flyguy.

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  • From DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno@decadenc@21:1/5 to FlyTurd on Thu Mar 3 07:16:32 2022
    FlyTurd <soreass2morrow@yahoo.com> wrote in news:4cfa1c07-124e-436e-97a5-809db2a75240n@googlegroups.com:

    DecayedBrainMatter, could you PLEASE come up with some NEW
    material or get the hell out of here???

    Says the utter retard posting made up shit every fucking day.
    You could not be more stupid, unless your name was Trump.

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