• OT: The Hillary Clinton campaign indicted for spying on Trump

    From John Doe@21:1/5 to All on Mon Feb 14 22:34:30 2022
    In case anybody missed it.

    Probably more to come.

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  • From Anthony William Sloman@21:1/5 to John Doe on Mon Feb 14 17:45:41 2022
    On Tuesday, February 15, 2022 at 9:34:40 AM UTC+11, John Doe wrote:
    In case anybody missed it.

    Probably more to come.

    But not from John Doe, who hasn't bothered to tell us where this miss-apprehension came from.

    https://edition.cnn.com/2022/02/14/politics/durham-sussmann-filing/index.html

    suggests that it comes from the Durham investigation, which John Doe fondly imagines to be pro-Trump and anti-Clinton.

    It's actually going after a bunch of people who told the FBI stuff that wasn't entirely correct, and the Trump and Clinton connections are purely incidental.

    --
    Bill Sloman, Sydney

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  • From bitrex@21:1/5 to Anthony William Sloman on Tue Feb 15 01:12:39 2022
    On 2/14/2022 8:45 PM, Anthony William Sloman wrote:
    On Tuesday, February 15, 2022 at 9:34:40 AM UTC+11, John Doe wrote:
    In case anybody missed it.

    Probably more to come.

    But not from John Doe, who hasn't bothered to tell us where this miss-apprehension came from.

    https://edition.cnn.com/2022/02/14/politics/durham-sussmann-filing/index.html

    suggests that it comes from the Durham investigation, which John Doe fondly imagines to be pro-Trump and anti-Clinton.

    It's actually going after a bunch of people who told the FBI stuff that wasn't entirely correct, and the Trump and Clinton connections are purely incidental.


    FBI was definitely spying on Trump's properties, but it was years before
    he ever ran for office:

    <https://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/fbi-wiretapped-russian-gambling-ring-headquarted-trump-tower-article-1.3004226>

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  • From John Doe@21:1/5 to All on Tue Feb 15 20:58:01 2022
    "the concepts "male" and "female" are essentially social constructions"
    (Bill Sloman)

    "the Mueller investigation was about Trump only because Trump made it so"
    (Bozo paraphrased)

    Bozo Bill Sloman, not even an American, is an attention-craving chronic
    liar who cannot be reasoned with.

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  • From John Doe@21:1/5 to All on Tue Feb 15 21:14:19 2022
    https://www.nationalreview.com/2022/02/durhams-jaw-dropping-revelation/

    Includes audio if you prefer (6:36)

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  • From Anthony William Sloman@21:1/5 to All on Tue Feb 15 17:30:37 2022
    On Wednesday, February 16, 2022 at 7:58:12 AM UTC+11, John Doe wrote:

    <snipped John Doe's recycled abuse>

    If you post an observation which demonstrates just how silly John Doe's posts are, he doesn't react to the facts presented, but merely reminds the reader that he resents criticism.

    John Doe's enthusiasm for the Durham investigation is based on the misconception that Durham is going after people who said unkind things about Donald Trump. What actually happened was that a whole lot of people knew that Trump was a dirt-bag and thought
    up schemes to collect data that made this point.

    None of them thought up schemes that collected data that they could sell as good evidence - Donald Trump has been a dirt-bag for a very long time and is good at covering his tracks. The FBI resented having to go through bad and inconclusive evidence,
    and is going after the people who had oversold the lamentably inadequate evidence that they had collected.

    John Doe can't argue with this - in part because he is a half-wit, but mainly because it is right - so he has to settle for recycling old abuse which was just as stupid when he originally generated it.

    --
    Bill Sloman, Sydney

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  • From Anthony William Sloman@21:1/5 to John Doe on Tue Feb 15 17:52:19 2022
    On Wednesday, February 16, 2022 at 8:14:30 AM UTC+11, John Doe wrote:
    https://www.nationalreview.com/2022/02/durhams-jaw-dropping-revelation/

    Includes audio if you prefer (6:36)

    The National Review is "the bible of American conservatism".

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Review

    The don't actually like Donald Trump, but they do dislike his opponents and detractors.

    They are happy to repeat the claim that "The information, Durham says, was taken out of context and distorted to suggest that Trump might be a clandestine agent of Vladimir Putin’s regime" which rather ignores the fact that Trump actually was a useful
    idiot who was being manipulated by Putin. Trump isn't remotely "clandestine agent" material. He's much too much of an ego-maniac to be any use in that role, but the same ego-mania makes him easily manipulated by judicious flattery, and he was always
    happy to get sucked into a photo-opportunity.

    One can suspect that the information did support that point of view, but the FBI was obliged to take the then-President Trump seriously, and didn't want to think about him as dumb patsy.

    --
    Bill Sloman, Sydney

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  • From John Doe@21:1/5 to Anthony William Sloman on Wed Feb 16 02:41:40 2022
    XPost: free.spam

    Bozo Bill Sloman, an Australian, is an attention-craving chronic
    liar who cannot be reasoned with.

    "the concepts "male" and "female" are essentially social constructions"
    (Bill Sloman)

    "the Mueller investigation was about Trump only because Trump made it so"
    (Bozo paraphrased)

    --
    Anthony William Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> wrote:

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    On Wednesday, February 16, 2022 at 7:58:12 AM UTC+11, John Doe wrote:

    <snipped John Doe's recycled abuse>

    If you post an observation which demonstrates just how silly John Doe's posts are, he doesn't react to the facts presented, but merely reminds the reader that he resents criticism.

    John Doe's enthusiasm for the Durham investigation is based on the misconception that Durham is going after people who said unkind things about Donald Trump. What actually happened was that a whole lot of people knew that Trump was a dirt-bag and
    thought up schemes to collect data that made this point.

    None of them thought up schemes that collected data that they could sell as good evidence - Donald Trump has been a dirt-bag for a very long time and is good at covering his tracks. The FBI resented having to go through bad and inconclusive evidence,
    and is going after the people who had oversold the lamentably inadequate evidence that they had collected.

    John Doe can't argue with this - in part because he is a half-wit, but mainly because it is right - so he has to settle for recycling old abuse which was just as stupid when he originally generated it.

    --
    Bill Sloman, Sydney


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  • From Anthony William Sloman@21:1/5 to John Doe on Tue Feb 15 18:46:04 2022
    On Wednesday, February 16, 2022 at 1:39:14 PM UTC+11, John Doe wrote:
    bitrex <us...@example.net> wrote:

    ...

    Please explain how you (as a self-proclaimed "libertarian") equate self- control with Big Brother?

    That sounds more like a cannibal leftist.

    Libertarians are FOR self-control as OPPOSED to Big Brother.

    Which is to say they get to say what constitutes self-control. John Doe prefers to post (bad) answers to questions that he might have been asked in the past rather than address the point he is ostensibly responding to. This is self-indulgence rather than
    self-control.

    --
    Bill Sloman, Sydney

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  • From John Doe@21:1/5 to bitrex on Wed Feb 16 02:39:04 2022
    bitrex <user@example.net> wrote:

    ...

    Please explain how you (as a self-proclaimed "libertarian") equate self- control with Big Brother?

    That sounds more like a cannibal leftist.

    Libertarians are FOR self-control as OPPOSED to Big Brother.

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  • From John Doe@21:1/5 to All on Wed Feb 16 02:39:52 2022
    Bozo Bill Sloman is an attention-craving chronic liar who cannot be
    reasoned with.

    "the concepts "male" and "female" are essentially social constructions"
    (Bill Sloman)

    "the Mueller investigation was about Trump only because Trump made it so"
    (Bozo paraphrased)

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  • From Edward Hernandez@21:1/5 to All on Wed Feb 16 04:02:10 2022
    XPost: free.spam

    The John Doe troll stated the following in message-id <sdhn7c$pkp$4@dont-email.me>:

    The troll doesn't even know how to format a USENET post...

    And the John Doe troll stated the following in message-id <sg3kr7$qt5$1@dont-email.me>:

    The reason Bozo cannot figure out how to get Google to keep from
    breaking its lines in inappropriate places is because Bozo is
    CLUELESS...

    And yet, the clueless John Doe troll has itself posted yet another
    incorrectly formatted USENET posting on Wed, 16 Feb 2022 03:57:40 -0000
    (UTC) in message-id <suhsnj$d91$2@dont-email.me>.

    This posting is a public service announcement for any google groups
    readers who happen by to point out that the John Doe troll does not even
    follow it's own rules that it uses to troll other posters.

    68DYPTqqHvZJ

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  • From John Doe@21:1/5 to Edward Hernandez on Wed Feb 16 03:57:40 2022
    XPost: free.spam

    Hey Eddie!

    Are you the self-admitted homosexual pedophile?

    "Idaho Homo Joe <dick_lick@aol.com>" (a weirdo in the Windows 10 group)

    The pedophile posted something semi-normal to a gaming group once or
    twice, Eddie claims to be a gamer, Eddie has no USENET posting history
    under its "Edward" alias (besides stalking me and one post when it was
    spanked in the electronics repair group), and both IDs post garbage.

    Seems odd that Eddie's only normal looking post to USENET got a severe spanking?

    https://groups.google.com/g/sci.electronics.repair/c/MesPLcGU4BE

    Seems Eddie is a newbie and/or Eddie is a socially dysfunctional misfit
    like the pedophile "Idaho Homo Joe". But even Idaho has one or 2 normal- looking posts.

    --
    Edward Hernandez <dtgamer99@gmail.com> wrote:

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    The John Doe troll stated the following in message-id <sdhn7c$pkp$4@dont-email.me>:

    The troll doesn't even know how to format a USENET post...

    And the John Doe troll stated the following in message-id <sg3kr7$qt5$1@dont-email.me>:

    The reason Bozo cannot figure out how to get Google to keep from
    breaking its lines in inappropriate places is because Bozo is
    CLUELESS...

    NOBODY likes the John Doe troll's contentless spam.

    And yet, the clueless John Doe troll has continued to post incorrectly formatted USENET articles that are devoid of content (latest example on
    Wed, 16 Feb 2022 02:41:40 -0000 (UTC) in message-id <suho93$o14$3@dont-email.me>).

    This posting is a public service announcement for any google groups
    readers who happen by to point out that the John Doe troll does not even follow the rules it uses to troll other posters.

    4BE6XG7ohCB3




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  • From Edward Hernandez@21:1/5 to All on Wed Feb 16 03:23:42 2022
    XPost: free.spam

    The John Doe troll stated the following in message-id <sdhn7c$pkp$4@dont-email.me>:

    The troll doesn't even know how to format a USENET post...

    And the John Doe troll stated the following in message-id <sg3kr7$qt5$1@dont-email.me>:

    The reason Bozo cannot figure out how to get Google to keep from
    breaking its lines in inappropriate places is because Bozo is
    CLUELESS...

    NOBODY likes the John Doe troll's contentless spam.

    And yet, the clueless John Doe troll has continued to post incorrectly formatted USENET articles that are devoid of content (latest example on
    Wed, 16 Feb 2022 02:41:40 -0000 (UTC) in message-id <suho93$o14$3@dont-email.me>).

    This posting is a public service announcement for any google groups
    readers who happen by to point out that the John Doe troll does not even
    follow the rules it uses to troll other posters.

    4BE6XG7ohCB3

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  • From bitrex@21:1/5 to John Doe on Wed Feb 16 02:06:40 2022
    On 2/15/2022 9:39 PM, John Doe wrote:
    bitrex <user@example.net> wrote:

    ...

    Please explain how you (as a self-proclaimed "libertarian") equate self- control with Big Brother?

    That sounds more like a cannibal leftist.

    Libertarians are FOR self-control as OPPOSED to Big Brother.

    ????

    I'm not on TEAM FBI if that's what you're asking, I don't tell them what
    to do.

    I do include a note with my taxes that says "Please do not spend any of
    my tax dollars on nuclear weapons, military aid to foreign powers,
    funding for surveillance of private citizens in violation of the 4th
    Amendment, etc, etc"

    But so far they don't seem to take my note seriously :-(

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  • From John Doe@21:1/5 to bitrex on Wed Feb 16 07:36:30 2022
    bitrex <user@example.net> wrote:

    John Doe wrote:
    bitrex <user@example.net> wrote:

    ...

    Please explain how you (as a self-proclaimed "libertarian") equate self-
    control with Big Brother?

    That sounds more like a cannibal leftist.

    Libertarians are FOR self-control as OPPOSED to Big Brother.

    ????

    I posted a reply to someone else, about using self-control as a method of filtering what I see on the Internet. Your reply equated my self-control with Big Brother. That's strange, doesn't sound like a libertarian at all, sounds like a cannibal leftist.

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  • From bitrex@21:1/5 to Anthony William Sloman on Wed Feb 16 02:17:52 2022
    On 2/15/2022 9:46 PM, Anthony William Sloman wrote:
    On Wednesday, February 16, 2022 at 1:39:14 PM UTC+11, John Doe wrote:
    bitrex <us...@example.net> wrote:

    ...

    Please explain how you (as a self-proclaimed "libertarian") equate self-
    control with Big Brother?

    That sounds more like a cannibal leftist.

    Libertarians are FOR self-control as OPPOSED to Big Brother.

    Which is to say they get to say what constitutes self-control. John Doe prefers to post (bad) answers to questions that he might have been asked in the past rather than address the point he is ostensibly responding to. This is self-indulgence rather
    than self-control.


    "Old man told me to take any rug in the house":

    <https://youtu.be/CiwJVjKWFgI>

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  • From John Doe@21:1/5 to All on Wed Feb 16 07:22:01 2022
    Cannibal leftist MSNBC says, according to this document, the
    hacking/spying only took place before Trump entered office. Durham's
    office knows technical stuff so that should be telable by this document.


    First edit, to help with reading by text to speech... Removed duplicate
    page title stuff and added periods after contextual titles.


    UNITED STATES OF AMERICA v. MICHAEL A. SUSSMANN.

    GOVERNMENT’S MOTION TO INQUIRE INTO POTENTIAL CONFLICTS OF INTEREST.

    1. The United States of America, by and through its attorney, Special Counsel John H.
    Durham, respectfully moves this Court to inquire into potential conflicts of interest arising from the
    representation of the defendant by his current counsel, Latham & Watkins LLP (“Latham”). The
    Government has discussed these matters with the defense and believes that any potential conflicts
    likely could be addressed with a knowing and voluntary waiver by the defendant upon consultation
    with conflict-free counsel as appropriate. The Government believes that any such waiver should
    be put on the record prior to trial. As set forth in further detail below, it is possible that conflicts of
    interest could arise from the fact that Latham and/or its employees (i) previously represented others
    in the Special Counsel’s investigation whose interests may conflict with those of the defendant, (ii)
    previously represented the defendant and his prior employer in connection with events that likely
    will be relevant at trial or at any sentencing, and (iii) maintained professional and/or personal
    relationships with individuals who could be witnesses in these proceedings. Accordingly, for the
    reasons set forth below, the government respectfully requests that the Court inquire into the
    potential conflicts of interest set forth herein. Defense counsel has advised that the defendant has
    been apprised of these issues, understands that he has the right to consult independent counsel, and
    presently intends to waive any potential conflict of interest. In support of this Motion, the
    government represents the following:
    FACTUAL BACKGROUND.
    2. The defendant is charged in a one-count indictment with making a materially false
    statement to the FBI, in violation of Title 18, United States Code, Section 1001 (the “Indictment”).
    As set forth in the Indictment, on Sept. 19, 2016 – less than two months before the 2016 U.S.
    Presidential election – the defendant, a lawyer at a large international law firm (“Law Firm-1”) that
    was then serving as counsel to the Clinton Campaign, met with the FBI General Counsel at FBI
    Headquarters in Washington, D.C. The defendant provided the FBI General Counsel with
    purported data and “white papers” that allegedly demonstrated a covert communications channel
    between the Trump Organization and a Russia-based bank (“Russian Bank-1”). The Indictment
    alleges that the defendant lied in that meeting, falsely stating to the General Counsel that he was
    not providing the allegations to the FBI on behalf of any client. In fact, the defendant had assembled
    and conveyed the allegations to the FBI on behalf of at least two specific clients, including (i) a
    technology executive (“Tech Executive-1”) at a U.S.-based Internet company (“Internet Company-
    1”), and (ii) the Clinton Campaign.
    3. The defendant’s billing records reflect that the defendant repeatedly billed the
    Clinton Campaign for his work on the Russian Bank-1 allegations. In compiling and disseminating
    these allegations, the defendant and Tech Executive-1 also had met and communicated with another
    law partner at Law Firm-1 who was then serving as General Counsel to the Clinton Campaign
    (“Campaign Lawyer-1”).

    4. The Indictment also alleges that, beginning in approximately July 2016, Tech
    Executive-1 had worked with the defendant, a U.S. investigative firm retained by Law Firm-1 on
    behalf of the Clinton Campaign, numerous cyber researchers, and employees at multiple Internet
    companies to assemble the purported data and white papers. In connection with these efforts, Tech
    Executive-1 exploited his access to non-public and/or proprietary Internet data. Tech Executive-1
    also enlisted the assistance of researchers at a U.S.-based university who were receiving and
    analyzing large amounts of Internet data in connection with a pending federal government
    cybersecurity research contract. Tech Executive-1 tasked these researchers to mine Internet data to
    establish “an inference” and “narrative” tying then-candidate Trump to Russia. In doing so, Tech
    Executive-1 indicated that he was seeking to please certain “VIPs,” referring to individuals at Law
    Firm-1 and the Clinton Campaign.
    5. The Government’s evidence at trial will also establish that among the Internet data
    Tech Executive-1 and his associates exploited was domain name system (“DNS”) Internet traffic
    pertaining to (i) a particular healthcare provider, (ii) Trump Tower, (iii) Donald Trump’s Central
    Park West apartment building, and (iv) the Executive Office of the President of the United States
    (“EOP”). (Tech Executive-1’s employer, Internet Company-1, had come to access and maintain
    dedicated servers for the EOP as part of a sensitive arrangement whereby it provided DNS
    resolution services to the EOP. Tech Executive-1 and his associates exploited this arrangement by
    mining the EOP’s DNS traffic and other data for the purpose of gathering derogatory information
    about Donald Trump.)
    6. The Indictment further details that on February 9, 2017, the defendant provided an
    updated set of allegations – including the Russian Bank-1 data and additional allegations relating
    to Trump – to a second agency of the U.S. government (“Agency-2”). The Government’s evidence
    at trial will establish that these additional allegations relied, in part, on the purported DNS traffic
    that Tech Executive-1 and others had assembled pertaining to Trump Tower, Donald Trump’s New
    York City apartment building, the EOP, and the aforementioned healthcare provider. In his meeting
    with Agency-2, the defendant provided data which he claimed reflected purportedly suspicious
    DNS lookups by these entities of internet protocol (“IP”) addresses affiliated with a Russian mobile
    phone provider (“Russian Phone Provider-1”). The defendant further claimed that these lookups
    demonstrated that Trump and/or his associates were using supposedly rare, Russian-made wireless
    phones in the vicinity of the White House and other locations. The Special Counsel’s Office has
    identified no support for these allegations. Indeed, more complete DNS data that the Special
    Counsel’s Office obtained from a company that assisted Tech Executive-1 in assembling these
    allegations reflects that such DNS lookups were far from rare in the United States. For example,
    the more complete data that Tech Executive-1 and his associates gathered – but did not provide to
    Agency-2 – reflected that between approximately 2014 and 2017, there were a total of more than 3
    million lookups of Russian Phone-Provider-1 IP addresses that originated with U.S.-based IP
    addresses. Fewer than 1,000 of these lookups originated with IP addresses affiliated with Trump
    Tower. In addition, the more complete data assembled by Tech Executive-1 and his associates
    reflected that DNS lookups involving the EOP and Russian Phone Provider-1 began at least as early
    2014 (i.e., during the Obama administration and years before Trump took office) – another fact
    which the allegations omitted.
    7. In his meeting with Agency-2 employees, the defendant also made a substantially
    similar false statement as he had made to the FBI General Counsel. In particular, the defendant
    asserted that he was not representing a particular client in conveying the above allegations. In truth
    and in fact, the defendant was representing Tech Executive-1 – a fact the defendant subsequently
    acknowledged under oath in December 2017 testimony before Congress (without identifying the
    client by name).
    APPLICABLE LAW.
    8. The Sixth Amendment guarantees that “[i]n all criminal prosecutions, the accused
    shall ... have the Assistance of Counsel for his defense.” U.S. Const. Amend. VI. A defendant's
    Sixth Amendment right includes the “right to representation that is free from conflicts of interest,”
    Wood v. Georgia, 450 U.S. 261, 271 (1981), but also carries a “presumption in favor of counsel of
    choice,” Wheat v. United States, 486 U.S. 153, 160 (1988). At the same time, a criminal defendant's
    right to retain counsel of his choice is not absolute. The “essential aim” of the Sixth Amendment
    “is to guarantee an effective advocate for each criminal defendant rather than to ensure that a
    defendant will inexorably be represented by the lawyer whom he prefers.” Wheat, 46 U.S. at 159.
    Thus, even if a defendant waives the right to conflict-free representation, the presumption in favor
    of defendant's counsel of choice “may be overcome not only by a demonstration of actual conflict
    but also by a showing of a serious potential for conflict.” Wheat, 486 U.S. at 163–64.
    9. As the D.C. Circuit explained in United States v. Lopesierra–Gutierrez, 708 F.3d
    193, 199–200 (D.C. Cir. 2013), “a defendant's counsel-of-choice right may sometimes be trumped
    by a conflict of interest.” This is because “where a defendant's chosen counsel suffers from a
    conflict of interest, . . . the court's own institutional interests” are implicated. Id. Guaranteeing
    conflict-free counsel protects not just defendants’ rights, but also the “‘[f]ederal courts[’] ...
    independent interest in ensuring that criminal trials are conducted within the ethical standards of
    the [legal] profession and that legal proceedings appear fair to all who observe them.’” Id.
    (alterations in original) (quoting Wheat, 486 U.S. at 161).
    10. Since the Court has an independent interest in investigating potential conflicts, see
    Wheat, 486 U.S. at 161, the Court retains “substantial latitude in refusing waivers of conflicts of
    interest not only in those rare cases where an actual conflict may be demonstrated before trial, but
    in the more common cases where a potential for conflict exists which may or may not burgeon into
    an actual conflict as the trial progresses.” Id. at 163. Accordingly, “[i]f in the context of a particular
    case the district court believes a conflict is intolerable, it may decline to accept a
    defendant's
    waiver.” Lopesierra–Gutierrez, 708 F.3d at 202. “In making this determination, a court balances
    the defendant's right to choose his representative against both the defendant's countervailing right
    to conflict-free representation and the court's independent interest in the integrity of criminal
    proceedings.” Id. at 200 (emphasis in original). The key inquiry in this analysis is the “nature and
    extent of the conflict.” Id.
    DISCUSSION.
    11. The Government respectfully requests that the Court inquire concerning the
    following issues that may give rise to potential conflicts of interest with regard to Latham’s current
    representation of the defendant:
    I. Latham’s Prior Representations in the Special Counsel’s Investigation
    A. Latham’s Prior Representation of Law Firm-1 and Campaign Lawyer-1 in This
    Investigation.

    12. From approximately July 2020 through approximately July 2021, Latham
    represented three separate clients – the defendant, Law Firm-1, and Campaign Lawyer-1 – in
    connection with the Special Counsel’s investigation. 1 As part of its representations, Latham
    communicated and met with the Special Counsel’s Office and other DOJ officials on behalf of each
    of these clients. As noted above, the Indictment alleges that Tech Executive-1 conferred and
    consulted with both the defendant and Campaign Lawyer-1 on multiple occasions in connection
    with the Russian Bank-1 allegations. As a result, the Government expects that testimony at trial
    will address factual issues concerning, among other things, (i) the extent to which the defendant did
    or did not inform Campaign Lawyer-1 and Law Firm-1 that he was billing work on the Russian
    Bank-1 allegations to the Clinton Campaign, (ii) the extent to which the defendant did or did not
    inform or receive instructions from Campaign Lawyer-1 and Law Firm-1 regarding his billing of
    the Clinton Campaign and his meeting with the FBI General Counsel, and (iii) the defendant’s
    potential motives to mislead the FBI concerning whether he was working with or on behalf of the
    Clinton Campaign, Campaign Lawyer-1, and Tech Executive-1. In each of these areas, the
    defendant’s interests may diverge from those of Campaign Lawyer-1 and Law Firm-1. In addition,
    to the extent that the defendant’s factual accounts might differ from those of Campaign Lawyer-1
    and Law Firm-1 on these issues, Latham may already have gained privileged insights to any such
    differences from their prior, confidential attorney-client communications. Cf. United States v.
    Gotti, 9 F. Supp. 2d 320, 323–25 (S.D.N.Y. 1998) (“attorney-client relationship with the witness or
    co-defendant gave rise to continuing obligations of loyalty and confidentiality that may be breached
    when the confidences are required to be exploited in, for example, cross examining [a] former
    client”); cf. also United States v. Weaver, 265 F.3d 1]074, 1075–77 (D.C. Cir. 2001) (holding that
    counsel’s representation of a client and a potential witness against the client created a conflict of
    interest).

    Note: One of the Latham attorneys who represented the defendant during this time period is now
    serving at the U.S. Department of Justice. It is the understanding of the Special Counsel’s Office
    that this attorney expeditiously and appropriately recused himself from any involvement in the
    Special Counsel’s investigation and these proceedings.

    13. Moreover, it is possible that the defendant, having recently resigned from his
    partnership at Law Firm-1, is currently or will become in an adversarial posture with his former
    employer. Latham – through its prior representation of Law Firm-1 – likely possesses confidential
    knowledge about Law Firm-1’s role in, and views concerning, the defendant’s past activities.
    Accordingly, the Government believes that potential conflicts of interest may exist or arise from
    Latham’s prior representations of Campaign Lawyer-1 and Law Firm-1 in this investigation.
    B. Law Firm-1’s Representation of the Clinton Campaign and Another Political
    Organization.

    14. Potential conflicts of interest might also arise from the fact that during the time
    period when Latham represented all three of the aforementioned clients, one of those clients, Law
    Firm-1, was representing both the Clinton Campaign and a related political organization (“Political
    Organization-1”) in the Special Counsel’s investigation. Law Firm-1’s representations of those
    clients began in approximately May 2021 and ended in approximately July 2021. The Government
    believes that Law Firm-1’s prior representations of these entities may give rise to potential conflicts
    of interest because it is possible that Law Firm-1 shared confidential facts and/or communications
    concerning its representation of those clients with its then-counsel, Latham. In addition, to the
    extent the Government offers documents and other evidence at trial that it obtained from the Clinton
    Campaign and/or Political Organization-1, Latham’s duties to its former client (Law Firm-1) might
    cause its interests to diverge from those of the defendant in connection with such evidence and/or
    the cross examination of witnesses. Accordingly, the Government respectfully requests that the
    Court inquire into any potential conflicts, including an examination of whether Law Firm-1’s own
    representations of the Clinton Campaign and Political Organization-1 may contribute to or amplify
    such conflicts. Gotti, 9 F Supp. 2d at 323-25.
    II. Latham’s Other Representations in Related Matters.

    15. In addition to the above representations, Latham also has represented the defendant,
    Law Firm-1, and Campaign Lawyer-1 in other matters that predated the existence of the Special
    Counsel’s investigation but which are likely relevant to these proceedings. In particular, the
    Government is aware of the following:
    A. Latham’s Representation of the Defendant in his December 2017 Congressional
    Testimony.

    16. Latham served as counsel to the defendant and Law Firm-1 in connection with the
    defendant’s December 2017 testimony before the House Permanent Subcommittee on Intelligence.
    That testimony addressed the Russian Bank-1 allegations and other matters. At numerous times
    during the defendant’s testimony, attorneys from Latham interjected to clarify and/or address issues
    relating to attorney-client privilege and other topics. 2 In his testimony, the defendant acknowledged
    bringing the Russian Bank-1 allegations to the FBI General Counsel and to Agency-2 on behalf of
    a specific client, namely, Tech Executive-1 (whom the defendant did not identify by name). The
    Government expects to offer this testimony at trial to prove that the defendant knowingly and
    intentionally lied when he stated to the FBI General Counsel in September 2016 that he was not
    acting on behalf of “any client.” The Government also may seek to establish that the defendant’s
    Congressional testimony itself was knowingly and intentionally misleading insofar as it failed to
    disclose that the defendant billed work on the Russian Bank-1 allegations to the Clinton Campaign.
    Because Latham attorneys played a role in, and were witnesses to, this testimony and related
    conversations, it is possible that their past advice might give rise to a potential conflict of interest.
    For example, it is possible that motion practice surrounding the admissibility of this testimony may
    require consideration of issues such as the appropriate boundaries of the attorney-client privilege,
    the potential waiver of such privilege by the defendant or Tech Executive-1 and the Clinton
    Campaign, and/or the potential applicability of an advice of counsel defense. Because Latham
    attorneys witnessed the defendant’s testimony and advised both the defendant and his employer in
    connection therewith, it is possible that conflicts of interest would arise in connection with these
    matters. Gotti, 9 F. Supp. 2d at 324 (“An attorney may be disqualified if he has first-hand
    knowledge of events that may be part of the government’s proof at trial.”).

    Note: Both of the Latham attorneys who were present for the defendant’s testimony (one of
    whom is the Department of Justice employee referenced above) have since left the firm.

    B. Latham’s Advice to Law Firm-1 in Connection with Public Statements in 2018. 17. In 2018, Latham also advised Law Firm-1 concerning the drafting and issuance of
    statements to the media that Law Firm-1 made concerning the defendant’s October 2016 meeting
    with the FBI General Counsel. Those statements – which the defendant appears to have reviewed
    or assisted in drafting – were at least partially inaccurate and/or misleading. The Government
    therefore may seek to offer these statements at trial pursuant to Rule 404(b) or other provisions of
    law. The two statements are, in pertinent part, as follows:

    1. On or about October 12, 2018, Law Firm-1 issued a statement to multiple media
    outlets in which the firm stated, in part: “When Sussmann met with [the FBI General
    Counsel] on behalf of a client, it was not connected to the firm’s representation of
    the Hillary Clinton Campaign, the DNC or any Political Law Group client.”

    2. On or about October 18, 2018, the then-Managing Partner of Law Firm-1 wrote a
    letter to the editor of a major newspaper in which he asserted, in part, “Mr. Sussmann’s meeting with the FBI General Counsel James Baker was on behalf of a client with no connections to either the Clinton campaign, the DNC or any other Political Law Group client.”

    Privilege logs and redacted emails obtained from Law Firm-1 in this investigation reflect that in the
    days before the issuance of these statements, Latham attorneys sent, received, and/or were copied
    on correspondence relating to the drafting and dissemination of the statements. (Much of the
    substance of those emails was redacted and withheld from the Special Counsel’s Office pursuant to
    Law Firm-1’s assertion of attorney-client privilege and attorney work product protections).
    Because the defendant was aware of and/or reviewed these media statements, the Government may
    seek to offer them as evidence pursuant to Rule 404(b) or other provisions of law to establish that
    the defendant sought to conceal the Clinton Campaign’s ties to the Russian Bank-1 allegations from
    the FBI and others. 3 Latham’s advice concerning these statements therefore may become at issue
    in motions in limine, trial testimony, or other aspects of these proceedings. Accordingly, Latham
    may encounter potential conflicts of interest in advising the defendant concerning past events in
    which Latham played a significant role.

    3. According to counsel for Law Firm-1, the attorneys at Law Firm-1 and Latham who
    participated in drafting and/or reviewing these statements were unaware at the time that the
    defendant had billed work on the Russian Bank-1 allegations to the Clinton Campaign.

    III. Defense Counsel’s Prior Interactions with Witnesses or Potential Witnesses.

    18. Based on its review of documents in its investigation and other information, the
    Special Counsel’s Office also has learned that one of the members of the defendant’s current
    defense team (“Defense Team Member-1”) previously worked as Special Counsel to the then-FBI
    Director from 2013 to 2014. In connection with that work, Defense Team Member-1 developed
    professional and/or personal relationships with several individuals who later were involved with
    and/or knowledgeable of the FBI’s investigation of the Russian Bank-1 allegations. For example,
    Defense Team Member-1 appears to have developed a professional relationship with the former
    FBI General Counsel to whom the defendant made his alleged false statement and who will likely
    be a central witness at trial. 4 While it is unlikely that these past interactions and activities will give
    rise to an actual conflict of interest, the Government respectfully requests in an abundance of
    caution that the Court inquire with the defense concerning whether Defense Team Member-1’s
    relationships with persons and entities who might be witnesses in this case could give rise to a
    potential conflict or appearance issue and, if so, whether the defendant waives any such conflict.
    See Lyle v. Artuz, No 03-CV-5155 (CBA), 2006 WL 1517750 at *20 (E.D.N.Y. May 31, 2006)

    4. Following his employment at the FBI, Defense Team Member-1 worked from 2014 to
    early 2017 as an attorney in the EOP which, as noted above, was involved in certain factual issues
    that the Government expects will be relevant at trial and any sentencing proceedings. Latham has
    represented to the Government that while employed at the EOP, Defense Team Member-1 had no
    role in the aforementioned events or arrangements involving Tech Executive-1, Internet Company-
    1, and/or allegations involving the purported use of Russian-made phones. The Government
    similarly has not seen evidence to suggest that Defense Team Member-1 had any role in, or direct
    knowledge of, the Russian Bank-1 allegations or the FBI’s ensuing investigation.

    (examining whether defense counsel’s relationship with a trial witness gave rise to a conflict of
    interest).
    CONCLUSION.
    For the foregoing reasons, the Court should inquire regarding the potential conflicts of
    interest set forth above.

    Respectfully submitted,

    JOHN H. DURHAM.
    Special Counsel.

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  • From John Doe@21:1/5 to All on Wed Feb 16 09:38:10 2022
    I wrote:

    John Durham wrote:

    5. The Government’s evidence at trial will also establish that among the
    Internet data Tech Executive-1 and his associates exploited was domain
    name system (“DNS”) Internet traffic pertaining to (i) a particular
    healthcare provider, (ii) Trump Tower, (iii) Donald Trump’s Central Park
    West apartment building, and (iv) the Executive Office of the President
    of the United States (“EOP”). (Tech Executive-1’s employer, Internet
    Company-1, had come to access and maintain dedicated servers for the EOP
    as part of a sensitive arrangement whereby it provided DNS resolution
    services to the EOP. Tech Executive-1 and his associates exploited this
    arrangement by mining the EOP’s DNS traffic and other data for the
    purpose of gathering derogatory information about Donald Trump.)

    Doesn't say when, but it doesn't say before Trump took office. Likely that would be during Trump's administration. Even if the sensitive arrangement came about before Trump took office, who knows it stopped when Trump took office?

    Easy to figure the desperate cannibal leftists at MSNBC are confusing that with the prior filing that talks about static data NOT about an operation serving the EOP.

    That information was included in this most recent filing, probably because it wasn't included in the prior filings. They have learned more of what happened and they want it to be known.

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  • From John Doe@21:1/5 to All on Wed Feb 16 09:27:16 2022
    Most of Durham's most recent court filing is about the defendant's choice of attorney. But the point of contention is this from the document itself...

    5. The Government’s evidence at trial will also establish that among the Internet data Tech Executive-1 and his associates exploited was domain
    name system (“DNS”) Internet traffic pertaining to (i) a particular healthcare provider, (ii) Trump Tower, (iii) Donald Trump’s Central Park
    West apartment building, and (iv) the Executive Office of the President
    of the United States (“EOP”). (Tech Executive-1’s employer, Internet Company-1, had come to access and maintain dedicated servers for the EOP
    as part of a sensitive arrangement whereby it provided DNS resolution services to the EOP. Tech Executive-1 and his associates exploited this arrangement by mining the EOP’s DNS traffic and other data for the
    purpose of gathering derogatory information about Donald Trump.)

    Doesn't say when, but it doesn't say before Trump took office. Likely that would be during Trump's administration. Even if the sensitive arrangement
    came about before Trump took office, who knows it stopped when Trump took office?

    Easy to figure the desperate cannibal leftists at MSNBC are confusing that
    with the prior filing that talks about static data NOT about an operation serving the EOP.

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  • From bitrex@21:1/5 to John Doe on Wed Feb 16 10:56:26 2022
    On 2/16/2022 2:36 AM, John Doe wrote:
    bitrex <user@example.net> wrote:

    John Doe wrote:
    bitrex <user@example.net> wrote:

    ...

    Please explain how you (as a self-proclaimed "libertarian") equate self- >>> control with Big Brother?

    That sounds more like a cannibal leftist.

    Libertarians are FOR self-control as OPPOSED to Big Brother.

    ????

    I posted a reply to someone else, about using self-control as a method of filtering what I see on the Internet. Your reply equated my self-control with Big Brother. That's strange, doesn't sound like a libertarian at all, sounds like a cannibal leftist.

    I don't really know what you're on about. Sure you got the right guy?

    Have a good one, buddy

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  • From Anthony William Sloman@21:1/5 to John Doe on Thu Feb 17 05:48:49 2022
    On Wednesday, February 16, 2022 at 1:41:49 PM UTC+11, John Doe wrote:
    Anthony William Sloman <bill....@ieee.org> wrote:
    On Wednesday, February 16, 2022 at 7:58:12 AM UTC+11, John Doe wrote:

    <snipped John Doe's recycled abuse>

    If you post an observation which demonstrates just how silly John Doe's posts are, he doesn't react to the facts presented, but merely reminds the reader that he resents criticism.

    John Doe's enthusiasm for the Durham investigation is based on the misconception that Durham is going after people who said unkind things about Donald Trump. What actually happened was that a whole lot of people knew that Trump was a dirt-bag and
    thought up schemes to collect data that made this point.

    None of them thought up schemes that collected data that they could sell as good evidence - Donald Trump has been a dirt-bag for a very long time and is good at covering his tracks. The FBI resented having to go through bad and inconclusive evidence,
    and is going after the people who had oversold the lamentably inadequate evidence that they had collected.

    John Doe can't argue with this - in part because he is a half-wit, but mainly because it is right - so he has to settle for recycling old abuse which was just as stupid when he originally generated it.

    Bill Sloman, an Australian, is an attention-craving chronic liar who cannot be reasoned with.

    John Doe would like to think that I am a chronic liar, but in fact I tell the simple truth that John Doe is a half-wit who couldn't reason with anybody because he doesn't know what reasoning looks like. Pointing this out about John Doe isn't attention
    seeking - everybody has the same impression - but going to the trouble of spelling out what a twit he is decidedly pointless, so most people don't bother.

    --
    Bill Sloman, Sydney

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  • From John Doe@21:1/5 to All on Sat Feb 19 13:38:19 2022
    Besides the revelation of spying on the former president's White House
    office communications, this appears to be the 2nd most important part of Durham's recent court filing...

    1. On or about October 12, 2018, Law Firm-1 (Sussmann's former law firm) issued a statement to multiple media outlets in which the firm stated,
    in part: “When Sussmann met with [the FBI General Counsel] on behalf of
    a client, it was not connected to the firm’s representation of the
    Hillary Clinton Campaign, the DNC or any Political Law Group client.”

    2. On or about October 18, 2018, the then-Managing Partner of Law Firm-1 wrote a letter to the editor of a major newspaper in which he asserted,
    in part, “Mr. Sussmann’s meeting with the FBI General Counsel James
    Baker was on behalf of a client with no connections to either the
    Clinton campaign, the DNC or any other Political Law Group client.”

    ... Because the defendant was aware of and/or reviewed these media statements, the Government may seek to offer them as evidence pursuant
    to Rule 404(b) or other provisions of law to establish that the
    defendant sought to conceal the Clinton Campaign’s ties to the Russian
    Bank-1 allegations from the FBI and others.

    In other words... Testimony of the former FBI General Counsel is not the
    only evidence Sussmann lied to the FBI and the CIA about his motive for presenting the cooked-up evidence.

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  • From Anthony William Sloman@21:1/5 to John Doe on Sat Feb 19 05:57:58 2022
    On Sunday, February 20, 2022 at 12:38:29 AM UTC+11, John Doe wrote:
    Besides the revelation of spying on the former president's White House office communications, this appears to be the 2nd most important part of Durham's recent court filing...

    1. On or about October 12, 2018, Law Firm-1 (Sussmann's former law firm) issued a statement to multiple media outlets in which the firm stated,
    in part: “When Sussmann met with [the FBI General Counsel] on behalf of a client, it was not connected to the firm’s representation of the Hillary Clinton Campaign, the DNC or any Political Law Group client.”

    2. On or about October 18, 2018, the then-Managing Partner of Law Firm-1 wrote a letter to the editor of a major newspaper in which he asserted,
    in part, “Mr. Sussmann’s meeting with the FBI General Counsel James Baker was on behalf of a client with no connections to either the
    Clinton campaign, the DNC or any other Political Law Group client.”

    ... Because the defendant was aware of and/or reviewed these media statements, the Government may seek to offer them as evidence pursuant
    to Rule 404(b) or other provisions of law to establish that the
    defendant sought to conceal the Clinton Campaign’s ties to the Russian Bank-1 allegations from the FBI and others.
    In other words... Testimony of the former FBI General Counsel is not the only evidence Sussmann lied to the FBI and the CIA about his motive for presenting the cooked-up evidence.

    This is bizarre. Trump wasn't president when Hillary Clinton was campaigning for the presidency, so Trumps' White House office communications wouldn't have been of any interest to them. He obviously wasn't in the White House while she needed a campaign
    team.

    John Doe does seem to be completely confused about what might have been going on., and even more confused about what Durham is trying to prosecute. As I've pointed out before, Durham is going after people who lied to the FBI about their connections to
    the Clinton campaign team. He's not interested in the campaign team as such, but rather in the people who were trying to sell dirt on Trump to the FBI and to the Clinton campaign team.

    It's a bit sad that they didn't find any dirt worth selling, but not all that surprising. Trump has been a dirt bag for a very long time, and he's good at covering his tracks.

    --
    Bill Sloman, Sydney

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  • From Flyguy@21:1/5 to bill....@ieee.org on Sat Feb 19 11:41:35 2022
    On Tuesday, February 15, 2022 at 5:52:28 PM UTC-8, bill....@ieee.org wrote:
    On Wednesday, February 16, 2022 at 8:14:30 AM UTC+11, John Doe wrote:
    https://www.nationalreview.com/2022/02/durhams-jaw-dropping-revelation/

    Includes audio if you prefer (6:36)
    The National Review is "the bible of American conservatism".

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Review

    The don't actually like Donald Trump, but they do dislike his opponents and detractors.

    They are happy to repeat the claim that "The information, Durham says, was taken out of context and distorted to suggest that Trump might be a clandestine agent of Vladimir Putin’s regime" which rather ignores the fact that Trump actually was a
    useful idiot who was being manipulated by Putin. Trump isn't remotely "clandestine agent" material. He's much too much of an ego-maniac to be any use in that role, but the same ego-mania makes him easily manipulated by judicious flattery, and he was
    always happy to get sucked into a photo-opportunity.

    One can suspect that the information did support that point of view, but the FBI was obliged to take the then-President Trump seriously, and didn't want to think about him as dumb patsy.

    Translation of SNIPPERMAN's bullshit: "We tried for FOUR YEARS to find something on Trump and FAILED, and now it is obvious that this was all DIRTY TRICKS by Shrillary - I can't really offer ANYTHING to rebut this."

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  • From John Doe@21:1/5 to All on Sat Feb 19 20:59:54 2022
    There is also the fact Sussmann promoted the same lies to the CIA while
    hiding the fact he was a political operative (as if they did know).

    There are at least 3 damning pieces of evidence against him.





    I wrote:

    Besides the revelation of spying on the former president's White House
    office communications, this appears to be the 2nd most important part of Durham's recent court filing...

    1. On or about October 12, 2018, Law Firm-1 (Sussmann's former law firm)
    issued a statement to multiple media outlets in which the firm stated,
    in part: “When Sussmann met with [the FBI General Counsel] on behalf of
    a client, it was not connected to the firm’s representation of the
    Hillary Clinton Campaign, the DNC or any Political Law Group client.”

    2. On or about October 18, 2018, the then-Managing Partner of Law Firm-1
    wrote a letter to the editor of a major newspaper in which he asserted,
    in part, “Mr. Sussmann’s meeting with the FBI General Counsel James
    Baker was on behalf of a client with no connections to either the
    Clinton campaign, the DNC or any other Political Law Group client.”

    ... Because the defendant was aware of and/or reviewed these media
    statements, the Government may seek to offer them as evidence pursuant
    to Rule 404(b) or other provisions of law to establish that the
    defendant sought to conceal the Clinton Campaign’s ties to the Russian
    Bank-1 allegations from the FBI and others.

    In other words... Testimony of the former FBI General Counsel is not the
    only evidence Sussmann lied to the FBI and the CIA about his motive for presenting the cooked-up evidence.

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  • From John Doe@21:1/5 to All on Sat Feb 19 21:04:11 2022
    *didn't

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  • From John Doe@21:1/5 to All on Sat Feb 19 20:54:25 2022
    I don't debate anything with chronic liars, it's a complete waste of time.


    Bozo Bill Sloman is an attention-craving chronic liar who cannot be
    reasoned with...

    "the Mueller investigation was about Trump only because Trump made it so"
    (Bozo paraphrased)

    "the concepts "male" and "female" are essentially social constructions"
    (Bill Sloman)

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  • From whit3rd@21:1/5 to Flyguy on Sat Feb 19 13:25:19 2022
    On Saturday, February 19, 2022 at 11:41:47 AM UTC-8, Flyguy wrote:

    Translation of SNIPPERMAN's bullshit: "We tried for FOUR YEARS to find something on Trump and FAILED, and...

    Huh? Two impeachments in four years is certainly 'something'.
    He got his party voted out of power, that's the most important accomplishment of his political career.

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  • From Flyguy@21:1/5 to All on Sat Feb 19 13:35:38 2022
    On Saturday, February 19, 2022 at 1:25:29 PM UTC-8, whit3rd wrote:
    On Saturday, February 19, 2022 at 11:41:47 AM UTC-8, Flyguy wrote:

    Translation of SNIPPERMAN's bullshit: "We tried for FOUR YEARS to find something on Trump and FAILED, and...

    Huh? Two impeachments in four years is certainly 'something'.
    He got his party voted out of power, that's the most important accomplishment of his political career.

    Correction: two FAILED impeachments, dude. Both were strictly political with NO EVIDENCE!

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  • From Anthony William Sloman@21:1/5 to Flyguy on Sat Feb 19 16:57:59 2022
    On Sunday, February 20, 2022 at 6:41:47 AM UTC+11, Flyguy wrote:
    On Tuesday, February 15, 2022 at 5:52:28 PM UTC-8, bill....@ieee.org wrote:
    On Wednesday, February 16, 2022 at 8:14:30 AM UTC+11, John Doe wrote:
    https://www.nationalreview.com/2022/02/durhams-jaw-dropping-revelation/

    Includes audio if you prefer (6:36)
    The National Review is "the bible of American conservatism".

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Review

    The don't actually like Donald Trump, but they do dislike his opponents and detractors.

    They are happy to repeat the claim that "The information, Durham says, was taken out of context and distorted to suggest that Trump might be a clandestine agent of Vladimir Putin’s regime" which rather ignores the fact that Trump actually was a
    useful idiot who was being manipulated by Putin. Trump isn't remotely "clandestine agent" material. He's much too much of an ego-maniac to be any use in that role, but the same ego-mania makes him easily manipulated by judicious flattery, and he was
    always happy to get sucked into a photo-opportunity.

    One can suspect that the information did support that point of view, but the FBI was obliged to take the then-President Trump seriously, and didn't want to think about him as dumb patsy.

    Translation of Sloman's bullshit: "We tried for FOUR YEARS to find something on Trump and FAILED, and now it is obvious that this was all DIRTY TRICKS by Shrillary - I can't really offer ANYTHING to rebut this."

    Flyguy's "translations" can reliably find stuff that wasn't there in the text that he claims to have read and translated. The Durham investigation is about what was claimed about Trump before he was elected. The people engaged in selling purported dirt
    on Trump to the FBI were also trying to sell it to Hillary Clinton's campaign team, and the FBI takes a dim view of them denying this , but Hillary Clinton's campaign team doesn't seem to have inspired any of the dirt digging, though they would have
    loved to have any of the dirt that might have been found. The Clinton campaign team doesn't seem to be being accused on any dirty tricks of their own, though John Doe and Flyguy may be confused enough to think otherwise.

    Once Trump was elected he did commit some impeachable offenses, but the Republicans in Congress refused to look at the evidence on both occasions when the Democrats tried to impeach him. The evidence is irrefutable, but the Republican Party refused to
    pay any attention to it.

    He may get yet get nailed for the second offense - organising the Capitol invasion in the hope of blocking the ratification of Biden's 2020 election victory - but it hasn't happened yet.

    --
    Bill Sloman, Sydney

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  • From Anthony William Sloman@21:1/5 to John Doe on Sat Feb 19 17:03:04 2022
    On Sunday, February 20, 2022 at 7:54:35 AM UTC+11, John Doe wrote:
    I don't debate anything with chronic liars, it's a complete waste of time.


    Bill Sloman is an attention-craving chronic liar who cannot be
    reasoned with...

    John Doe doesn't debated anything with anybody. He doesn't understand what debating is about.

    Since he is convinced that all his bizarre delusions are irrefutable truths, he wouldn't see any point of debating their validity even if he could master the concept of the debate.

    --
    Bill Sloman, Sydney

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  • From Flyguy@21:1/5 to Flyguy on Sat Feb 19 17:04:07 2022
    On Saturday, February 19, 2022 at 1:35:49 PM UTC-8, Flyguy wrote:
    On Saturday, February 19, 2022 at 1:25:29 PM UTC-8, whit3rd wrote:
    On Saturday, February 19, 2022 at 11:41:47 AM UTC-8, Flyguy wrote:

    Translation of SNIPPERMAN's bullshit: "We tried for FOUR YEARS to find something on Trump and FAILED, and...

    Huh? Two impeachments in four years is certainly 'something'.
    He got his party voted out of power, that's the most important accomplishment of his political career.
    Correction: two FAILED impeachments, dude. Both were strictly political with NO EVIDENCE!

    Also, WHAT do you think is going to happen at the mid-terms? Lyin' Biden has presided over the most FAILED presidency in my lifetime. Presently, some THIRTY Dims have announced they are retiring rather than go down on Lyin' Biden's sinking ship.

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  • From Flyguy@21:1/5 to bill....@ieee.org on Sat Feb 19 17:06:51 2022
    On Saturday, February 19, 2022 at 5:03:15 PM UTC-8, bill....@ieee.org wrote:
    On Sunday, February 20, 2022 at 7:54:35 AM UTC+11, John Doe wrote:
    I don't debate anything with chronic liars, it's a complete waste of time.


    Bill Sloman is an attention-craving chronic liar who cannot be
    reasoned with...
    John Doe doesn't debated anything with anybody. He doesn't understand what debating is about.

    Hey SNIPPERMAN, you would flunk THIRD GRADE English with that prose!


    Since he is convinced that all his bizarre delusions are irrefutable truths, he wouldn't see any point of debating their validity even if he could master the concept of the debate.

    More bad English from the fool that wants to NUKE HIS OWN COUNTRY ! ! !

    --
    Bill Sloman, Sydney

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  • From Flyguy@21:1/5 to bill....@ieee.org on Sat Feb 19 17:35:21 2022
    On Saturday, February 19, 2022 at 5:26:13 PM UTC-8, bill....@ieee.org wrote:
    On Sunday, February 20, 2022 at 12:04:18 PM UTC+11, Flyguy wrote:
    On Saturday, February 19, 2022 at 1:35:49 PM UTC-8, Flyguy wrote:
    On Saturday, February 19, 2022 at 1:25:29 PM UTC-8, whit3rd wrote:
    On Saturday, February 19, 2022 at 11:41:47 AM UTC-8, Flyguy wrote:

    Translation of SNIPPERMAN's bullshit: "We tried for FOUR YEARS to find something on Trump and FAILED, and...

    Huh? Two impeachments in four years is certainly 'something'.
    He got his party voted out of power, that's the most important accomplishment of his political career.

    Correction: two FAILED impeachments, dude. Both were strictly political with NO EVIDENCE!

    Also, WHAT do you think is going to happen at the mid-terms? Lyin' Biden has presided over the most FAILED presidency in my lifetime. Presently, some THIRTY Dims have announced they are retiring rather than go down on Lyin' Biden's sinking ship.
    Flyguy seems to think that Trump's presidency was a success. He also thinks he knows what is going to happen at the mid-term election.

    He's a master of wishful thinking.

    --
    Bill Sloman, Sydney

    Wanna bet, SNIPPERMAN? The Dims are setting the stage for a HISTORIC DEFEAT come November. The retirements are FACT, fool.

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  • From Anthony William Sloman@21:1/5 to Flyguy on Sat Feb 19 17:26:04 2022
    On Sunday, February 20, 2022 at 12:04:18 PM UTC+11, Flyguy wrote:
    On Saturday, February 19, 2022 at 1:35:49 PM UTC-8, Flyguy wrote:
    On Saturday, February 19, 2022 at 1:25:29 PM UTC-8, whit3rd wrote:
    On Saturday, February 19, 2022 at 11:41:47 AM UTC-8, Flyguy wrote:

    Translation of SNIPPERMAN's bullshit: "We tried for FOUR YEARS to find something on Trump and FAILED, and...

    Huh? Two impeachments in four years is certainly 'something'.
    He got his party voted out of power, that's the most important accomplishment of his political career.

    Correction: two FAILED impeachments, dude. Both were strictly political with NO EVIDENCE!

    Also, WHAT do you think is going to happen at the mid-terms? Lyin' Biden has presided over the most FAILED presidency in my lifetime. Presently, some THIRTY Dims have announced they are retiring rather than go down on Lyin' Biden's sinking ship.

    Flyguy seems to think that Trump's presidency was a success. He also thinks he knows what is going to happen at the mid-term election.

    He's a master of wishful thinking.

    --
    Bill Sloman, Sydney

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  • From Flyguy@21:1/5 to bill....@ieee.org on Sat Feb 19 17:34:05 2022
    On Saturday, February 19, 2022 at 4:58:11 PM UTC-8, bill....@ieee.org wrote:
    On Sunday, February 20, 2022 at 6:41:47 AM UTC+11, Flyguy wrote:
    On Tuesday, February 15, 2022 at 5:52:28 PM UTC-8, bill....@ieee.org wrote:
    On Wednesday, February 16, 2022 at 8:14:30 AM UTC+11, John Doe wrote:
    https://www.nationalreview.com/2022/02/durhams-jaw-dropping-revelation/

    Includes audio if you prefer (6:36)
    The National Review is "the bible of American conservatism".

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Review

    The don't actually like Donald Trump, but they do dislike his opponents and detractors.

    They are happy to repeat the claim that "The information, Durham says, was taken out of context and distorted to suggest that Trump might be a clandestine agent of Vladimir Putin’s regime" which rather ignores the fact that Trump actually was a
    useful idiot who was being manipulated by Putin. Trump isn't remotely "clandestine agent" material. He's much too much of an ego-maniac to be any use in that role, but the same ego-mania makes him easily manipulated by judicious flattery, and he was
    always happy to get sucked into a photo-opportunity.

    One can suspect that the information did support that point of view, but the FBI was obliged to take the then-President Trump seriously, and didn't want to think about him as dumb patsy.

    Translation of Sloman's bullshit: "We tried for FOUR YEARS to find something on Trump and FAILED, and now it is obvious that this was all DIRTY TRICKS by Shrillary - I can't really offer ANYTHING to rebut this."

    Flyguy's "translations" can reliably find stuff that wasn't there in the text that he claims to have read and translated. The Durham investigation is about what was claimed about Trump before he was elected. The people engaged in selling purported dirt
    on Trump to the FBI were also trying to sell it to Hillary Clinton's campaign team, and the FBI takes a dim view of them denying this , but Hillary Clinton's campaign team doesn't seem to have inspired any of the dirt digging, though they would have
    loved to have any of the dirt that might have been found.

    Yeah, right, SNIPPERMAN - bitch Shrillary just sent her lawyer Sussman to pay for the dirt digging done by Fusion GPS.
    https://www.foxnews.com/media/slate-journalist-story-fusion-gps-trump-russian-bank
    https://www.scribd.com/document/525726563/Sussmann-Indictment

    The Clinton campaign team doesn't seem to be being accused on any dirty tricks of their own, though John Doe and Flyguy may be confused enough to think otherwise.

    No, their lawyer Sussman hired Fusion GPS to do it.


    Once Trump was elected he did commit some impeachable offenses, but the Republicans in Congress refused to look at the evidence on both occasions when the Democrats tried to impeach him. The evidence is irrefutable, but the Republican Party refused to
    pay any attention to it.

    Wrong - the Dims said from the get-go they were going to impeach Trump, which they did with NO EVIDENCE, unlike Billy Boy who actually LIED to the court.


    He may get yet get nailed for the second offense - organising the Capitol invasion in the hope of blocking the ratification of Biden's 2020 election victory - but it hasn't happened yet.

    And it NEVER WILL because Trump didn't organize anything but a peaceful demonstration. Even the FBI said there was scant evidence of ANY sedition.


    --
    Bill Sloman, Sydney

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  • From Anthony William Sloman@21:1/5 to Flyguy on Sat Feb 19 17:22:02 2022
    On Sunday, February 20, 2022 at 8:35:49 AM UTC+11, Flyguy wrote:
    On Saturday, February 19, 2022 at 1:25:29 PM UTC-8, whit3rd wrote:
    On Saturday, February 19, 2022 at 11:41:47 AM UTC-8, Flyguy wrote:

    Translation of SNIPPERMAN's bullshit: "We tried for FOUR YEARS to find something on Trump and FAILED, and...

    Huh? Two impeachments in four years is certainly 'something'.
    He got his party voted out of power, that's the most important accomplishment of his political career.

    Correction: two FAILED impeachments, dude. Both were strictly political with NO EVIDENCE!

    There was loads of evidence, but the Republican majority refused to even look at any of it. Trumps famous phone call to the president of the Ukraine, where Trump threatened to withhold aid already voted by Congress if the Ukraine didn't stage a bogus
    investigation of Joe and Hunter Biden was recorded, but Congress refused to listen to it.

    Trump's actions in inspiring the Capitol invasion are equally well documented, but the then Republican dominated Congress as equally unwilling to look at it.

    Flyguy - like the Republican party - has no problem with inconvenient facts. He's happy to ignore them, and expects everybody else to follow his example.

    --
    Bill Sloman, Sydney

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  • From Anthony William Sloman@21:1/5 to Flyguy on Sat Feb 19 17:36:57 2022
    On Sunday, February 20, 2022 at 12:07:02 PM UTC+11, Flyguy wrote:
    On Saturday, February 19, 2022 at 5:03:15 PM UTC-8, bill....@ieee.org wrote:
    On Sunday, February 20, 2022 at 7:54:35 AM UTC+11, John Doe wrote:
    I don't debate anything with chronic liars, it's a complete waste of time.


    Bill Sloman is an attention-craving chronic liar who cannot be reasoned with...

    John Doe doesn't debate anything with anybody. He doesn't understand what debating is about.

    Hey SNIPPERMAN, you would flunk THIRD GRADE English with that prose!

    I do hate making typo's, but you don't tend to get flunked for that kind of errror.

    Since he is convinced that all his bizarre delusions are irrefutable truths, he wouldn't see any point of debating their validity even if he could master the concept of the debate.

    More bad English from the fool that wants to NUKE HIS OWN COUNTRY ! ! !

    Flyguy can't parse complex sentences, and seems to think that the US government that carried out numerous nuclear tests within the continental United States were all fools. I was just proposing a practical application of the techniques tested - with 31
    nuclear explosions - in project Plowshare.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_Plowshare

    Flyguy is dedicated to maintaining his status as the groups most flagrant idiot, though John Doe isn't far behind.

    --
    Bill Sloman, Sydney

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  • From Anthony William Sloman@21:1/5 to Flyguy on Sat Feb 19 18:02:45 2022
    On Sunday, February 20, 2022 at 12:35:32 PM UTC+11, Flyguy wrote:
    On Saturday, February 19, 2022 at 5:26:13 PM UTC-8, bill....@ieee.org wrote:
    On Sunday, February 20, 2022 at 12:04:18 PM UTC+11, Flyguy wrote:
    On Saturday, February 19, 2022 at 1:35:49 PM UTC-8, Flyguy wrote:
    On Saturday, February 19, 2022 at 1:25:29 PM UTC-8, whit3rd wrote:
    On Saturday, February 19, 2022 at 11:41:47 AM UTC-8, Flyguy wrote:

    Translation of SNIPPERMAN's bullshit: "We tried for FOUR YEARS to find something on Trump and FAILED, and...

    Huh? Two impeachments in four years is certainly 'something'.
    He got his party voted out of power, that's the most important accomplishment of his political career.

    Correction: two FAILED impeachments, dude. Both were strictly political with NO EVIDENCE!

    Also, WHAT do you think is going to happen at the mid-terms? Lyin' Biden has presided over the most FAILED presidency in my lifetime. Presently, some THIRTY Dims have announced they are retiring rather than go down on Lyin' Biden's sinking ship.

    Flyguy seems to think that Trump's presidency was a success. He also thinks he knows what is going to happen at the mid-term election.

    He's a master of wishful thinking.

    Wanna bet, SNIPPERMAN? The Dims are setting the stage for a HISTORIC DEFEAT come November. The retirements are FACT, fool.

    Politicians retire all the time.

    https://www.npr.org/2021/12/09/1061182786/house-retirement-tracker-2022-congress-republicans-democrats

    Fourteen Republicans are also retiring. Particular Democrats may not like their chances in their particular electorate, but that doesn't say anything about which party is going to do well in the midterm elections.

    --
    Bill Sloman, Sydney

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  • From Anthony William Sloman@21:1/5 to Flyguy on Sat Feb 19 18:03:02 2022
    On Sunday, February 20, 2022 at 12:34:17 PM UTC+11, Flyguy wrote:
    On Saturday, February 19, 2022 at 4:58:11 PM UTC-8, bill....@ieee.org wrote:
    On Sunday, February 20, 2022 at 6:41:47 AM UTC+11, Flyguy wrote:
    On Tuesday, February 15, 2022 at 5:52:28 PM UTC-8, bill....@ieee.org wrote:
    On Wednesday, February 16, 2022 at 8:14:30 AM UTC+11, John Doe wrote:
    https://www.nationalreview.com/2022/02/durhams-jaw-dropping-revelation/

    Includes audio if you prefer (6:36)
    The National Review is "the bible of American conservatism".

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Review

    The don't actually like Donald Trump, but they do dislike his opponents and detractors.

    They are happy to repeat the claim that "The information, Durham says, was taken out of context and distorted to suggest that Trump might be a clandestine agent of Vladimir Putin’s regime" which rather ignores the fact that Trump actually was a
    useful idiot who was being manipulated by Putin. Trump isn't remotely "clandestine agent" material. He's much too much of an ego-maniac to be any use in that role, but the same ego-mania makes him easily manipulated by judicious flattery, and he was
    always happy to get sucked into a photo-opportunity.

    One can suspect that the information did support that point of view, but the FBI was obliged to take the then-President Trump seriously, and didn't want to think about him as dumb patsy.

    Translation of Sloman's bullshit: "We tried for FOUR YEARS to find something on Trump and FAILED, and now it is obvious that this was all DIRTY TRICKS by Shrillary - I can't really offer ANYTHING to rebut this."

    Flyguy's "translations" can reliably find stuff that wasn't there in the text that he claims to have read and translated. The Durham investigation is about what was claimed about Trump before he was elected. The people engaged in selling purported
    dirt on Trump to the FBI were also trying to sell it to Hillary Clinton's campaign team, and the FBI takes a dim view of them denying this , but Hillary Clinton's campaign team doesn't seem to have inspired any of the dirt digging, though they would have
    loved to have any of the dirt that might have been found.

    Yeah, right, SNIPPERMAN - bitch Shrillary just sent her lawyer Sussman to pay for the dirt digging done by Fusion GPS.

    Fusion GPS was paid to find if there was any dirt around on Donald Trump. They seems to have asked Christopher Steele to compile what ended up as the Steele Report, which eventually generated the Mueller Inquiry which sent a couple of Trump's campign
    team to prison

    https://www.foxnews.com/media/slate-journalist-story-fusion-gps-trump-russian-bank
    https://www.scribd.com/document/525726563/Sussmann-Indictment

    The Clinton campaign team doesn't seem to be being accused on any dirty tricks of their own, though John Doe and Flyguy may be confused enough to think otherwise.
    No, their lawyer Sussman hired Fusion GPS to do it.

    Fusion GPS was paid to find dirt, not to create it. Mueller made it clear that there was dirt to find.

    Once Trump was elected he did commit some impeachable offenses, but the Republicans in Congress refused to look at the evidence on both occasions when the Democrats tried to impeach him. The evidence is irrefutable, but the Republican Party refused
    to pay any attention to it.

    Wrong - the Dims said from the get-go they were going to impeach Trump, which they did with NO EVIDENCE, unlike Billy Boy who actually LIED to the court.

    It is possible that Flyguy is stupid enough to believe this. He is remarkably stupid.

    He may get yet get nailed for the second offense - organising the Capitol invasion in the hope of blocking the ratification of Biden's 2020 election victory - but it hasn't happened yet.

    And it NEVER WILL because Trump didn't organize anything but a peaceful demonstration. Even the FBI said there was scant evidence of ANY sedition.

    When he asked crowd he was addressing to fight for their rights, it's hard to take the "peaceful" claim all that seriously. There's nothing peaceful about breaking into the Capitol building, and since the aim was to intimidate Congress out of ratifying
    Biden's victory in the 2020 election, the whole point was sedition.

    What the FBI might have been looking for when they already had that is a bit of a mystery. Trying to undermine the electoral process is a bout as seditious as you can get.

    --
    Bill Sloman, Sydney

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  • From John Doe@21:1/5 to All on Sun Feb 20 02:05:59 2022
    Bozo Bill Sloman is an attention-craving chronic liar who cannot be
    reasoned with...

    "the Mueller investigation was about Trump only because Trump made it so"
    (Bozo paraphrased)

    "the concepts "male" and "female" are essentially social constructions"
    (Bill Sloman)

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  • From John Doe@21:1/5 to All on Sun Feb 20 02:04:58 2022
    But seriously. Trump's impeachments were pure politics.

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  • From John Doe@21:1/5 to All on Sun Feb 20 02:08:50 2022
    Bozo is a textbook cannibal leftist, he loves strife.


    Bozo Bill Sloman is an attention-craving chronic liar who cannot be
    reasoned with...

    "the Mueller investigation was about Trump only because Trump made it so"
    (Bozo paraphrased)

    "the concepts "male" and "female" are essentially social constructions"
    (Bill Sloman)

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  • From John Doe@21:1/5 to Flyguy on Sun Feb 20 02:14:15 2022
    Flyguy wrote:

    Also, WHAT do you think is going to happen at the mid-terms? Presently,
    some THIRTY Dims have announced they are retiring

    Wow, you're right. And there is time enough for more.

    State and local elections might be even more of a bloodbath for them.

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  • From Anthony William Sloman@21:1/5 to John Doe on Sat Feb 19 18:47:21 2022
    On Sunday, February 20, 2022 at 1:05:10 PM UTC+11, John Doe wrote:
    But seriously. Trump's impeachments were pure politics.

    They were about Trump playing particularly dirty politics - in the first instance about Trump trying to pressure the Ukraine into setting up a bogus investigation of Joe and Hunter Biden's activities, and in the second instance the even dirtier attempt
    to pressure Congress into not ratifying Biden's 2020 election win.

    They were seriously crooked political plays by Donald Trump and he should have been impeached on both occasions, but the Republicans condoned the dirty politics involved because they saw them as working to their political advantage.

    That's about as impure as politics gets until you get into violent revolution - and the the invasion of the Capitol building was pretty violent.

    John Doe is about as one-eyed as a partisan can get.

    --
    Bill Sloman, Sydney

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  • From Anthony William Sloman@21:1/5 to John Doe on Sat Feb 19 18:51:15 2022
    On Sunday, February 20, 2022 at 1:14:26 PM UTC+11, John Doe wrote:
    Flyguy wrote:

    Also, WHAT do you think is going to happen at the mid-terms? Presently, some THIRTY Dims have announced they are retiring.

    Wow, you're right. And there is time enough for more.

    State and local elections might be even more of a bloodbath for them.

    Of course some 14 Republicans are retiring too (and a few more got "retired" by the 2020 elections).

    Flyguy and John Doe don't let reality interfere with their wishful thinking.

    --
    Bill Sloman, Sydney

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  • From Anthony William Sloman@21:1/5 to John Doe on Sat Feb 19 19:07:12 2022
    On Sunday, February 20, 2022 at 1:51:33 PM UTC+11, John Doe wrote:
    The chronic liar John Doe cannot be reasoned with.

    When you refute its lies, it simply makes up more lies to cover its prior lies. It's fiction never ends. Utterly pointless, that's why so few people reply to the troll.

    I have corrected the text to bring it closer to reality, not that John Doe has any actual connection to the real world.

    --
    Bill Sloman, Sydney

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  • From Anthony William Sloman@21:1/5 to John Doe on Sat Feb 19 19:03:35 2022
    On Sunday, February 20, 2022 at 1:23:46 PM UTC+11, John Doe wrote:

    Bozo Bill Sloman is like the Men in Black (1997) "Bug" character (but not entertaining). It is a textbook cannibal leftist that feeds off of carnage.

    I wonder which "textbook" covers "cannibal leftists". It seems to be a whole imaginary species, so John Doe must be consulting a text book on mythical creatures invented by right-wing lunatics.

    "Delusions diagnostic of right-wing lunacy" doesn't get any direct hits, but did throw up this link.

    http://jaapl.org/content/early/2020/05/14/JAAPL.200001-20

    "An extreme overvalued belief is shared by others in a person's cultural, religious, or subcultural group. The belief is often relished, amplified, and defended by the possessor of the belief and should be differentiated from a delusion or obsession."

    Of course these ideas are still pathological, even if they are shared with other lunatics, such as Flyguy or Cursitor Doom.

    --
    Bill Sloman, Sydney

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  • From John Doe@21:1/5 to All on Sun Feb 20 02:23:35 2022
    Bozo Bill Sloman is like the Men in Black (1997) "Bug" character (but not entertaining). It is a textbook cannibal leftist that feeds off of carnage.

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  • From John Doe@21:1/5 to All on Sun Feb 20 02:51:22 2022
    The chronic liar Bozo Bill Sloman cannot be reasoned with.

    When you refute its lies, it simply makes up more lies to cover its prior
    lies. It's fiction never ends. Utterly pointless, that's why so few people reply to the troll.

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  • From Tom Del Rosso@21:1/5 to Flyguy on Sun Feb 20 06:18:14 2022
    Flyguy wrote:

    Translation of SNIPPERMAN's bullshit: "We tried for FOUR YEARS to
    find something on Trump and FAILED, and now it is obvious that this
    was all DIRTY TRICKS by Shrillary - I can't really offer ANYTHING to
    rebut this."

    Crimes should not be called "dirty tricks."


    --
    Defund the Thought Police

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  • From DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno@decadenc@21:1/5 to Anthony William Sloman on Sun Feb 20 11:25:29 2022
    Anthony William Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> wrote in news:af16e220-48df-41d4-80ab-502d8ac018e5n@googlegroups.com:

    This is bizarre. Trump wasn't president when Hillary Clinton was
    campaigning for the presidency, so Trumps' White House office
    communications wouldn't have been of any interest to them.

    You are going to hurt his brain spouting facts like that.

    He probably was listening to Judge Jineen <sp>.
    She is a deep down ditz.

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  • From DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno@decadenc@21:1/5 to whit3rd@gmail.com on Sun Feb 20 14:34:59 2022
    whit3rd <whit3rd@gmail.com> wrote in news:fd41eab8-339c-44f2-a343-099b50814428n@googlegroups.com:

    On Saturday, February 19, 2022 at 11:41:47 AM UTC-8, Flyguy wrote:

    Translation of SNIPPERMAN's bullshit: "We tried for FOUR YEARS to
    find something on Trump and FAILED, and...

    Huh? Two impeachments in four years is certainly 'something'.
    He got his party voted out of power, that's the most important
    accomplishment of his political career.


    The Mob king wannabe Donald John Trump, the wartime draft evading
    criminal, performed a mob style "call for a hit" on a US Ambassador.

    "...Yeah, take her out... Do it."

    The seditious criminal mother fucker should get splattered on the
    back wall of the firing squad yard down at GITMO, AFTER he is forced
    to sit and watch his also criminal daughter get splattered all over
    it, and his two eldest also criminal retard sons and Kushner and
    Miller.

    Then Daddy Donny Johnny can get his turn at the stake. Hopefully
    with a bunch of recreational boats out in the water with flags all
    over their boats saying "GOOD RIDDANCE!" The nation will celebrate
    on that day.

    Then... a potter's grave out back, no funeral.

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  • From DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno@decadenc@21:1/5 to Flyguy on Sun Feb 20 14:42:41 2022
    Flyguy <soar2morrow@yahoo.com> wrote in news:699be7c5-ed88-47a7-809d-d99fb451f86en@googlegroups.com:

    On Saturday, February 19, 2022 at 1:25:29 PM UTC-8, whit3rd wrote:
    On Saturday, February 19, 2022 at 11:41:47 AM UTC-8, Flyguy
    wrote:

    Translation of SNIPPERMAN's bullshit: "We tried for FOUR YEARS
    to find something on Trump and FAILED, and...

    Huh? Two impeachments in four years is certainly 'something'.
    He got his party voted out of power, that's the most important
    accomplishment of his political career.

    Correction: two FAILED impeachments, dude. Both were strictly
    political with NO EVIDENCE!


    You're a fucking total retard, boy.

    Mitch McConnell refused to examine the EVIDENCE or hear WITNESSES,
    AND instructed the senate to follow suit. That makes him and all
    that abided by his direction accessories after the fact to Trump's
    crimes in Ukraine, which killed a minimum of 13 Ukraine soldiers.

    100% proven and 100% factual, and the only thing about it that was
    political was that Donny did it the day he learned that Biden was
    going to run against him. The Ukraine leader said no to his pathetic horseshit, and Trump let an entire ordnace shipment sit on the tarmac
    that was to go that very day. So Donny made it political, but the
    crimes he committed were just CRIMES, you fucking putz. Trump was a
    PROVEN murderer even before the hundreds of thousands of my fellow
    citizens he sat on his hands and allowed to perish prematurely. THAT
    is negligent homicide at the very least.

    Your claim of a "correction" is quite bogus, child.

    You are strictly 100% retarded.

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  • From Anthony William Sloman@21:1/5 to Tom Del Rosso on Sun Feb 20 06:32:28 2022
    On Sunday, February 20, 2022 at 10:18:30 PM UTC+11, Tom Del Rosso wrote:
    Flyguy wrote:

    Translation of Sloman's bullshit: "We tried for FOUR YEARS to
    find something on Trump and FAILED, and now it is obvious that this
    was all DIRTY TRICKS by Shrillary - I can't really offer ANYTHING to
    rebut this."

    Flyguy seems to confuse "translation" with "inventing stuff that the original author didn't actually say". He does make a habit of it.

    Crimes should not be called "dirty tricks."

    Strange that Hillary Clinton and her campaign team haven't been convicted of any crimes or dirty tricks - it's been four years and even the Trump administration couldn't nail them for anything. Perhaps they didn't go in for any crimes or dirty tricks -
    not that any Trump supporter would credit this.

    Flyguy isn't constrained by real world facts, and he doesn't let them inhibit his creative fancies.

    --
    Bill Sloman, Sydney

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  • From DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno@decadenc@21:1/5 to Anthony William Sloman on Sun Feb 20 14:56:09 2022
    Anthony William Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> wrote in news:efe92770-750a-4841-b625-e476d6cafeb6n@googlegroups.com:

    On Sunday, February 20, 2022 at 10:18:30 PM UTC+11, Tom Del Rosso
    wrote:
    Flyguy wrote:

    Translation of Sloman's bullshit: "We tried for FOUR YEARS to
    find something on Trump and FAILED, and now it is obvious that
    this was all DIRTY TRICKS by Shrillary - I can't really offer
    ANYTHING to rebut this."

    Flyguy seems to confuse "translation" with "inventing stuff that
    the original author didn't actually say". He does make a habit of
    it.

    Crimes should not be called "dirty tricks."

    Strange that Hillary Clinton and her campaign team haven't been
    convicted of any crimes or dirty tricks - it's been four years and
    even the Trump administration couldn't nail them for anything.
    Perhaps they didn't go in for any crimes or dirty tricks - not
    that any Trump supporter would credit this.

    In every instance... hundreds if not thousands of times, America
    did not once... no, not even once, see Ms Clinton "plead the 5th".

    Game, Set, And Match. TrumpTards lose. GITMO for every last one
    of the fucktards. And a list of others as well.

    Or as "Cardinal Richeleu" said "Your appeal has been denied, like
    you knew it would be."

    These TrumpTarded wussies should get shot in a capsule toward the
    Sun for being so fucking utterly stupid.

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  • From DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno@decadenc@21:1/5 to Flyguy on Sun Feb 20 14:45:42 2022
    Flyguy <soar2morrow@yahoo.com> wrote in news:b1ada96e-91f7-4d51-a772-59210ffda8ean@googlegroups.com:

    Since he is convinced that all his bizarre delusions are
    irrefutable truths, he wouldn't see any point of debating their
    validity even if he could master the concept of the debate.

    More bad English from the fool that wants to NUKE HIS OWN COUNTRY
    ! ! !


    The grammar and composition of that sentence is 100% fine, as is the
    content. Your response, however, was an improperly structured
    sentence.

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  • From StupidAs StupidGet@21:1/5 to DecadentLinux...@decadence.org on Sun Feb 20 10:52:58 2022
    On Sunday, February 20, 2022 at 6:45:52 AM UTC-8, DecadentLinux...@decadence.org wrote:
    Flyguy <soar2...@yahoo.com> wrote in news:b1ada96e-91f7-4d51...@googlegroups.com:
    Since he is convinced that all his bizarre delusions are
    irrefutable truths, he wouldn't see any point of debating their
    validity even if he could master the concept of the debate.

    More bad English from the fool that wants to NUKE HIS OWN COUNTRY
    ! ! !

    The grammar and composition of that sentence is 100% fine, as is the
    content. Your response, however, was an improperly structured
    sentence.

    You are Crazy Cranky Creep. DDD FFF SSS

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  • From John Doe@21:1/5 to Tom Del Rosso on Sun Feb 20 21:54:43 2022
    "Tom Del Rosso" wrote:

    Flyguy wrote:

    Translation of SNIPPERMAN's bullshit: "We tried for FOUR YEARS to
    find something on Trump and FAILED, and now it is obvious that this
    was all DIRTY TRICKS by Shrillary - I can't really offer ANYTHING to
    rebut this."

    Crimes should not be called "dirty tricks."

    Looks like very serious crimes.

    Judicial Watch acts envious of Durham discovering the White House office spying. Tom Fitton was skeptical of whether Durham will continue the investigation, but JW is covering it a lot now.

    I would be skeptical too if not for the fact this is already in court
    documents being litigated. It won't go away like other things have, not
    unless Durham is suicided.

    MSNBC tried covering up for it and got blasted in the YouTube comment
    section.

    CNN tried to sneak in some coverage of the issue without mentioning
    "Durham" and the title of their video... :D They want to avoid attracting
    any outside attention when they do. The mainstream media very much wants to avoid the issue.

    So far, all the other stations have completely avoided it.

    Some of the major publications claimed Durham disassociated himself with
    right wing coverage of the issue, but that's BS. Durham simply defended his
    own filing by saying he isn't responsible for what the media does with it. That's all he said.

    Some fake news media outlets are saying the White House office spying is the same story that was in the original Sussmann indictment, but that's also
    fake news. The contract discussed in the Sussmann indictment is different
    than the "sensitive arrangement" with the White House discussed in Durham's most recent filing.

    The fake news also says the spying took place in Obama's White House. That's obvious nonsense... 1. There would be no reason for seeking dirt on Trump by spying on Obama. 2. The fact the sensitive arrangement continued into
    Trump's term was easy for Durham to determine just by asking the appropriate officials.

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  • From John Doe@21:1/5 to All on Sun Feb 20 21:28:37 2022
    From discussion on YouTube, apparently some people are devastated by Durham's investigation.

    With so much more to come, imagine what it is doing to Trump Derangement Syndrome inflicted Always Wrong and other devout cannibal leftists like Bozo. So much carnage.

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  • From DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno@decadenc@21:1/5 to John Doe on Mon Feb 21 00:30:07 2022
    John Doe <always.look@message.header> wrote in news:suudb3$95u$1@dont- email.me:

    So far,

    So far, "John Doe", the hollywood character name ripoff,
    has done nothing but sully the memory of that character.

    Oh, and his bent perceptions about what took place, AND when they
    took place, are only spotlighting him as the foolish right wing media
    suck up he is.

    Trump AND his entoire family have been mobbed up with the Russians
    for decades. Ever since the US Mob handed him his hat. It did not
    require someone hacking his computer to know that. The FBI has known
    about his behavior for decades. Only his cult level base are so
    clueless as to not VET the stupid buffoon. You ain't real bright, boy.

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  • From John Doe@21:1/5 to All on Mon Feb 21 00:51:42 2022
    I wonder if Bozo thinks trolling USENET will help his cause.
    Maybe the cannibal leftist loves losing.


    Bozo Bill Sloman is an attention-craving chronic liar who cannot be
    reasoned with...

    "the Mueller investigation was about Trump only because Trump made it so"
    (Bozo paraphrased)

    "the concepts "male" and "female" are essentially social constructions"
    (Bill Sloman)

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  • From John Doe@21:1/5 to All on Mon Feb 21 00:39:25 2022
    Actually "John Doe" is an ancient tribal name, given to a brave who helped protect young deer from unscrupulous hunters.

    Mine are not perceptions, they are explanations. JOHN DURHAM'S perceptions about what took place is the problem for cannibal leftists like Always Wrong and Bozo Bill.

    To be continued...

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  • From DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno@decadenc@21:1/5 to John Doe on Mon Feb 21 01:32:11 2022
    John Doe <always.look@message.header> wrote in
    news:suumvt$2u9$1@dont-email.me:

    Actually "John Doe" is an ancient tribal name, given to a brave
    who helped protect young deer from unscrupulous hunters.


    Horseshit. It was never that. Got a cite to substantiate your
    claim, dufus?

    Mine are not perceptions, they are explanations.

    Yours are 100% convoluted.

    JOHN DURHAM'S
    perceptions about what took place is the problem for cannibal
    leftists like Always Wrong and Bozo Bill.

    You obviously have not listened to everything he said, and hopped
    onto the Fox NONnews stupidity surrounding it.

    To be continued...

    Which decidedly is why everyone here thinks that you are an abject
    idiot.

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  • From Anthony William Sloman@21:1/5 to John Doe on Sun Feb 20 17:53:21 2022
    On Monday, February 21, 2022 at 8:28:48 AM UTC+11, John Doe wrote:
    From discussion on YouTube, apparently some people are devastated by Durham's investigation.

    Right. YouTube has a really sophisticated audience.

    With so much more to come, imagine what it is doing to Trump Derangement Syndrome inflicted Always Wrong and other devout cannibal leftists like Bozo.

    With so little there to start with. it's hard to imagine why John Doe has such high expectations of the Durham investigation.
    Anybody who supports Donald Trump has absolutely no real triumphs to point to so they have to pin their hopes on what little is available.

    So much carnage.

    Where? Has Durham got any kind of conviction yet? The Mueller inquiry sent a couple of Trump election campaigners to prison, and Durham hasn't got that far yet, and seems unlikely to ever get that far.

    --
    Bill Sloman, Sydney

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  • From Anthony William Sloman@21:1/5 to John Doe on Sun Feb 20 18:07:07 2022
    On Monday, February 21, 2022 at 11:39:35 AM UTC+11, John Doe wrote:
    Actually "John Doe" is an ancient tribal name, given to a brave who helped protect young deer from unscrupulous hunters.

    Twaddle. It comes from the UK.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Doe

    Mine are not perceptions, they are explanations.

    John Doe doesn't know what an explanation would look like. See his "explanation" of the name John Doe above

    JOHN DURHAM'S perceptions about what took place is the problem for rational observers like Decadent Linux User Numero Uno and Bill.

    John Doe's perceptions of what the Durham investigation is about seem to be entirely wishful thinking. He wants to think that Durham is going after the Clinton campaign team. In reality he's going after people who misrepresented dubious information that
    they had collected in the hope of selling it to the Clinton campaign team. Quite why Durham cares about it - some five years after the event - isn't obvious, but it might be the kind of project that the FBI might have started when Trump was president to
    keep Trump happy.

    To be continued...

    John Doe doesn't know when he's being ridiculous. Ridicule doesn't seem to register with him.

    --
    Bill Sloman, Sydney

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  • From Anthony William Sloman@21:1/5 to John Doe on Sun Feb 20 19:18:00 2022
    On Monday, February 21, 2022 at 11:51:52 AM UTC+11, John Doe wrote:
    I wonder if Bill thinks trolling USENET will help his cause.

    It's not a delusion that I share with John Doe. Since John Doe is the troll here - though he seems think that what he does isn't trolling - he has got the concept backwards.

    Maybe the cannibal leftist loves losing.

    There aren't any cannibal leftists. Even the most doctrinaire leftist knows that eating people is wrong.

    John Doe is far enough to the right that he seems to think that 95% of the population is left-wing. About 95% of the population is saner than he is, so they don't share his right-wing delusions, but that doesn't make them all that left-wing.

    John Doe is a doctrinaire rightist, and he doesn't know much, which leads him to make remarkably absurd claims. He's probably clinically insane - whence the enthusiasm for cannibalism - but it isn't something one can make a reliable judgement about based
    only on text-only messages.

    --
    Bill Sloman, Sydney

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  • From Flyguy@21:1/5 to bill....@ieee.org on Sun Feb 20 20:07:53 2022
    On Saturday, February 19, 2022 at 5:37:08 PM UTC-8, bill....@ieee.org wrote:
    On Sunday, February 20, 2022 at 12:07:02 PM UTC+11, Flyguy wrote:
    On Saturday, February 19, 2022 at 5:03:15 PM UTC-8, bill....@ieee.org wrote:
    On Sunday, February 20, 2022 at 7:54:35 AM UTC+11, John Doe wrote:
    I don't debate anything with chronic liars, it's a complete waste of time.


    Bill Sloman is an attention-craving chronic liar who cannot be reasoned with...

    John Doe doesn't debate anything with anybody. He doesn't understand what debating is about.

    Hey SNIPPERMAN, you would flunk THIRD GRADE English with that prose!
    I do hate making typo's, but you don't tend to get flunked for that kind of errror.
    Since he is convinced that all his bizarre delusions are irrefutable truths, he wouldn't see any point of debating their validity even if he could master the concept of the debate.

    More bad English from the fool that wants to NUKE HIS OWN COUNTRY ! ! !
    Flyguy can't parse complex sentences, and seems to think that the US government that carried out numerous nuclear tests within the continental United States were all fools. I was just proposing a practical application of the techniques tested - with 31
    nuclear explosions - in project Plowshare.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_Plowshare

    Flyguy is dedicated to maintaining his status as the groups most flagrant idiot, though John Doe isn't far behind.

    Sorry, SNIPPERMAN, YOU are the reigning FLAGRANT IDIOT ! ! !


    --
    Bill Sloman, Sydney

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  • From Flyguy@21:1/5 to bill....@ieee.org on Sun Feb 20 20:05:25 2022
    On Saturday, February 19, 2022 at 6:02:56 PM UTC-8, bill....@ieee.org wrote:
    On Sunday, February 20, 2022 at 12:35:32 PM UTC+11, Flyguy wrote:
    On Saturday, February 19, 2022 at 5:26:13 PM UTC-8, bill....@ieee.org wrote:
    On Sunday, February 20, 2022 at 12:04:18 PM UTC+11, Flyguy wrote:
    On Saturday, February 19, 2022 at 1:35:49 PM UTC-8, Flyguy wrote:
    On Saturday, February 19, 2022 at 1:25:29 PM UTC-8, whit3rd wrote:
    On Saturday, February 19, 2022 at 11:41:47 AM UTC-8, Flyguy wrote:

    Translation of SNIPPERMAN's bullshit: "We tried for FOUR YEARS to find something on Trump and FAILED, and...

    Huh? Two impeachments in four years is certainly 'something'.
    He got his party voted out of power, that's the most important accomplishment of his political career.

    Correction: two FAILED impeachments, dude. Both were strictly political with NO EVIDENCE!

    Also, WHAT do you think is going to happen at the mid-terms? Lyin' Biden has presided over the most FAILED presidency in my lifetime. Presently, some THIRTY Dims have announced they are retiring rather than go down on Lyin' Biden's sinking ship.

    Flyguy seems to think that Trump's presidency was a success. He also thinks he knows what is going to happen at the mid-term election.

    He's a master of wishful thinking.

    Wanna bet, SNIPPERMAN? The Dims are setting the stage for a HISTORIC DEFEAT come November. The retirements are FACT, fool.
    Politicians retire all the time.

    https://www.npr.org/2021/12/09/1061182786/house-retirement-tracker-2022-congress-republicans-democrats

    Fourteen Republicans are also retiring. Particular Democrats may not like their chances in their particular electorate, but that doesn't say anything about which party is going to do well in the midterm elections.

    Translation: "No - you are RIGHT and I wouldn't bet on the Dims on a DARE!"

    --
    Bill Sloman, Sydney

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  • From DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno@decadenc@21:1/5 to Anthony William Sloman on Mon Feb 21 06:28:56 2022
    Anthony William Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> wrote in news:4c4d58f7- 6691-4842-8131-337caf6b9962n@googlegroups.com:

    Right. YouTube has a really sophisticated audience.


    Not about his stupid example, but YouTube can be argued to have
    signifigantly more sophisticated users than ANY of the phone idiot
    social media apps.

    YouTube contains the entire swath of opinions.

    So we get PBS a CSPAN and the history channel, and numerous science
    based posters putting up content.

    He cherry picks as stupid TrumpTards always do.

    Turning one's back on all of the other social media outlets out
    there, YouTube is by far the best, because it is not linear like
    phone apps which throw crap in your face all the time. One can
    choose the videos one wants to examine. And numerous news clips form
    various sources are there, so one does not have to visit a site one
    has no desire to visit.

    History
    Music
    Medicine
    Cosmology
    all the good stuff.

    Also includes flat Earter idiots, and Trump idiots as well, but I
    do not view their content.

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  • From Anthony William Sloman@21:1/5 to Flyguy on Sun Feb 20 23:38:32 2022
    On Monday, February 21, 2022 at 3:05:36 PM UTC+11, Flyguy wrote:
    On Saturday, February 19, 2022 at 6:02:56 PM UTC-8, bill....@ieee.org wrote:
    On Sunday, February 20, 2022 at 12:35:32 PM UTC+11, Flyguy wrote:
    On Saturday, February 19, 2022 at 5:26:13 PM UTC-8, bill....@ieee.org wrote:
    On Sunday, February 20, 2022 at 12:04:18 PM UTC+11, Flyguy wrote:
    On Saturday, February 19, 2022 at 1:35:49 PM UTC-8, Flyguy wrote:
    On Saturday, February 19, 2022 at 1:25:29 PM UTC-8, whit3rd wrote:
    On Saturday, February 19, 2022 at 11:41:47 AM UTC-8, Flyguy wrote:

    Translation of Sloman's bullshit: "We tried for FOUR YEARS to find something on Trump and FAILED, and...

    Huh? Two impeachments in four years is certainly 'something'.

    He got his party voted out of power, that's the most important accomplishment of his political career.

    Correction: two FAILED impeachments, dude. Both were strictly political with NO EVIDENCE!

    None that Flyguy or the Congressional Republican Party were prepared to look at. They do deserve to have their noses rubbed in the evidence, but while you can take a horse's arse to evidence, you can't make him think.

    Also, WHAT do you think is going to happen at the mid-terms? Joe Biden has presided over the most FAILED presidency in my lifetime. Presently, some THIRTY Dims have announced they are retiring rather than go down on Joe Biden's sinking ship.

    Flyguy seems to think that Trump's presidency was a success. He also thinks he knows what is going to happen at the mid-term election.

    He's a master of wishful thinking.

    Wanna bet Sloman? The Demcrats are setting the stage for a HISTORIC DEFEAT come November. The retirements are FACT, fool.

    But Flyguy is the kind of fool that thinks that a few retirements is a reliable predictor of the outcome of an up-coming election.

    Politicians retire all the time.

    https://www.npr.org/2021/12/09/1061182786/house-retirement-tracker-2022-congress-republicans-democrats

    Fourteen Republicans are also retiring (and a few more got "retired" by the 2020 elections). Particular Democrats may not like their chances in their particular electorate, but that doesn't say anything about which party is going to do well in the
    midterm elections.

    Translation: "No - you are RIGHT and I wouldn't bet on the Democrats on a DARE!"

    It's not so much a "translation" as a direct contradiction. Flyguy is too dim to realise that there's a difference.

    --
    Bill Sloman, Sydney

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  • From Anthony William Sloman@21:1/5 to Flyguy on Sun Feb 20 23:25:26 2022
    On Monday, February 21, 2022 at 3:08:05 PM UTC+11, Flyguy wrote:
    On Saturday, February 19, 2022 at 5:37:08 PM UTC-8, bill....@ieee.org wrote:
    On Sunday, February 20, 2022 at 12:07:02 PM UTC+11, Flyguy wrote:
    On Saturday, February 19, 2022 at 5:03:15 PM UTC-8, bill....@ieee.org wrote:
    On Sunday, February 20, 2022 at 7:54:35 AM UTC+11, John Doe wrote:
    I don't debate anything with chronic liars, it's a complete waste of time.


    Bill Sloman is an attention-craving chronic liar who cannot be reasoned with...

    John Doe doesn't debate anything with anybody. He doesn't understand what debating is about.

    Hey Sloman, you would flunk THIRD GRADE English with that prose!

    I do hate making typo's, but you don't tend to get flunked for that kind of errror.

    Since he is convinced that all his bizarre delusions are irrefutable truths, he wouldn't see any point of debating their validity even if he could master the concept of the debate.

    More bad English from the fool that wants to NUKE HIS OWN COUNTRY ! ! !

    Flyguy can't parse complex sentences, and seems to think that the US government that carried out numerous nuclear tests within the continental United States were all fools. I was just proposing a practical application of the techniques tested - with
    31 nuclear explosions - in project Plowshare.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_Plowshare

    Flyguy is dedicated to maintaining his status as the groups most flagrant idiot, though John Doe isn't far behind.

    Sorry, Sloman, YOU are the reigning FLAGRANT IDIOT ! ! !

    Of course Flyguy does like to assert that, but if he wasn't such a flagrant idiot, he wouldn't bother.

    --
    Bill Sloman, Sydney

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  • From John Doe@21:1/5 to DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno@decadenc on Mon Feb 21 09:08:20 2022
    DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno@decadence.org wrote:

    YouTube contains the entire swath of opinions.

    Yes it does. Like lots more girls.

    He cherry picks as stupid TrumpTards always do.

    Huh? Nothing to do with what I posted, but TDS infected Always Wrong needed a Trump jabbing fix.

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  • From DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno@decadenc@21:1/5 to John Doe on Mon Feb 21 13:40:13 2022
    John Doe <always.look@message.header> wrote in
    news:suvkq4$i1e$4@dont-email.me:

    DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno@decadence.org wrote:

    YouTube contains the entire swath of opinions.

    Yes it does. Like lots more girls.

    He cherry picks as stupid TrumpTards always do.

    Huh? Nothing to do with what I posted, but TDS infected Always
    Wrong needed a Trump jabbing fix.


    Idiot. You made a comment about the commentors on a CNN report about
    it. It most certainly was and is very Trump centric. Nice try though,
    putz.

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  • From Anthony William Sloman@21:1/5 to John Doe on Mon Feb 21 05:40:18 2022
    On Monday, February 21, 2022 at 8:08:31 PM UTC+11, John Doe wrote:
    DecadentLinux...@decadence.org wrote:

    YouTube contains the entire swath of opinions.
    Yes it does. Like lots more girls.
    He cherry picks as stupid TrumpTards always do.

    Huh? Nothing to do with what I posted, but TDS infected Always Wrong needed a Trump jabbing fix.

    There's quite a lot wrong with everything that John Doe posts, and his mindless enthusiasms for Donald Trump is just one of his many problems.
    It is worth highlighting - it does put him in the same box as a number of our other resident idiots.

    --
    Bill Sloman, Sydney

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  • From StupidAs StupidGet@21:1/5 to bill....@ieee.org on Mon Feb 21 10:38:30 2022
    On Monday, February 21, 2022 at 5:40:29 AM UTC-8, bill....@ieee.org wrote:
    On Monday, February 21, 2022 at 8:08:31 PM UTC+11, John Doe wrote:
    DecadentLinux...@decadence.org wrote:

    YouTube contains the entire swath of opinions.
    Yes it does. Like lots more girls.
    He cherry picks as stupid TrumpTards always do.

    Huh? Nothing to do with what I posted, but TDS infected Always Wrong needed a Trump jabbing fix.
    There's quite a lot wrong with everything that John Doe posts, and his mindless enthusiasms for Donald Trump is just one of his many problems.
    It is worth highlighting - it does put him in the same box as a number of our other resident idiots.

    Your meaningless "right" wing insult is getting old. Everyone not agreeing with you is "right" wing. May be you are in the "wrong" wing.

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  • From Anthony William Sloman@21:1/5 to StupidAs StupidGet on Mon Feb 21 16:59:31 2022
    On Tuesday, February 22, 2022 at 5:38:43 AM UTC+11, StupidAs StupidGet wrote:
    On Monday, February 21, 2022 at 5:40:29 AM UTC-8, bill....@ieee.org wrote:
    On Monday, February 21, 2022 at 8:08:31 PM UTC+11, John Doe wrote:
    DecadentLinux...@decadence.org wrote:

    YouTube contains the entire swath of opinions.
    Yes it does. Like lots more girls.
    He cherry picks as stupid TrumpTards always do.

    Huh? Nothing to do with what I posted, but TDS infected Always Wrong needed a Trump jabbing fix.

    There's quite a lot wrong with everything that John Doe posts, and his mindless enthusiasms for Donald Trump is just one of his many problems.
    It is worth highlighting - it does put him in the same box as a number of our other resident idiots.

    Your meaningless "right" wing insult is getting old. Everyone not agreeing with you is "right" wing. May be you are in the "wrong" wing.

    Don't be silly. Calling somebody right wing isn't necessarily an insult, and it says something quite specific about their political opinions, so it is anything but meaningless. I'm not in any particular "wing". I may look left wing to our more rabid
    enthusiasts for extreme right-wing political opinions, but there are equally rabid left-wingers around to whom I look timidly middle of the road. They don't post here, but they do exist.

    --
    Bill Sloman, Sydney

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  • From John Robertson@21:1/5 to Anthony William Sloman on Mon Feb 21 18:01:15 2022
    On 2022/02/21 4:59 p.m., Anthony William Sloman wrote:
    On Tuesday, February 22, 2022 at 5:38:43 AM UTC+11, StupidAs StupidGet wrote:
    On Monday, February 21, 2022 at 5:40:29 AM UTC-8, bill....@ieee.org wrote: >>> On Monday, February 21, 2022 at 8:08:31 PM UTC+11, John Doe wrote:
    DecadentLinux...@decadence.org wrote:

    YouTube contains the entire swath of opinions.
    Yes it does. Like lots more girls.
    He cherry picks as stupid TrumpTards always do.

    Huh? Nothing to do with what I posted, but TDS infected Always Wrong needed a Trump jabbing fix.

    There's quite a lot wrong with everything that John Doe posts, and his mindless enthusiasms for Donald Trump is just one of his many problems.
    It is worth highlighting - it does put him in the same box as a number of our other resident idiots.

    Your meaningless "right" wing insult is getting old. Everyone not agreeing with you is "right" wing. May be you are in the "wrong" wing.

    Don't be silly. Calling somebody right wing isn't necessarily an insult, and it says something quite specific about their political opinions, so it is anything but meaningless. I'm not in any particular "wing". I may look left wing to our more rabid
    enthusiasts for extreme right-wing political opinions, but there are equally rabid left-wingers around to whom I look timidly middle of the road. They don't post here, but they do exist.


    And, if one is using the bird comparison - right wing AND left wing are essential to level flight. They balance off each other...either wing, by itself, plummets to their doom.

    Conservatives need liberals, and liberals need conservatives, so life
    can reach a balance of wants, needs, and what is possible.

    John ;-#)#

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  • From Anthony William Sloman@21:1/5 to John Robertson on Mon Feb 21 19:39:49 2022
    On Tuesday, February 22, 2022 at 1:01:31 PM UTC+11, John Robertson wrote:
    On 2022/02/21 4:59 p.m., Anthony William Sloman wrote:
    On Tuesday, February 22, 2022 at 5:38:43 AM UTC+11, StupidAs StupidGet wrote:
    On Monday, February 21, 2022 at 5:40:29 AM UTC-8, bill....@ieee.org wrote:
    On Monday, February 21, 2022 at 8:08:31 PM UTC+11, John Doe wrote:
    DecadentLinux...@decadence.org wrote:

    YouTube contains the entire swath of opinions.
    Yes it does. Like lots more girls.
    He cherry picks as stupid TrumpTards always do.

    Huh? Nothing to do with what I posted, but TDS infected Always Wrong needed a Trump jabbing fix.

    There's quite a lot wrong with everything that John Doe posts, and his mindless enthusiasms for Donald Trump is just one of his many problems.
    It is worth highlighting - it does put him in the same box as a number of our other resident idiots.

    Your meaningless "right" wing insult is getting old. Everyone not agreeing with you is "right" wing. May be you are in the "wrong" wing.

    Don't be silly. Calling somebody right wing isn't necessarily an insult, and it says something quite specific about their political opinions, so it is anything but meaningless. I'm not in any particular "wing". I may look left wing to our more rabid
    enthusiasts for extreme right-wing political opinions, but there are equally rabid left-wingers around to whom I look timidly middle of the road. They don't post here, but they do exist.

    And, if one is using the bird comparison - right wing AND left wing are essential to level flight. They balance off each other...either wing, by itself, plummets to their doom.

    Conservatives need liberals, and liberals need conservatives, so life
    can reach a balance of wants, needs, and what is possible.

    Unfortunately our rabid right-wingers aren't aiming for any kind of equilibrium. They want Donald Trump restored to power, so that he follow his bizarre whims and steer the US even further down the drain which Reagan first steered it into some forty
    years ago. It's been degenerating into progressively worse income inequality ever since then, and failing to cope with nasty side effects that this generates.

    --
    Bill Sloman, Sydney

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  • From DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno@decadenc@21:1/5 to John Robertson on Tue Feb 22 05:32:41 2022
    John Robertson <spam@flippers.com> wrote in news:v8SdnVWkw65x3on_nZ2dnUU7-dnNnZ2d@giganews.com:


    On 2022/02/21 4:59 p.m., Anthony William Sloman wrote:
    On Tuesday, February 22, 2022 at 5:38:43 AM UTC+11, StupidAs
    StupidGet wrote:
    On Monday, February 21, 2022 at 5:40:29 AM UTC-8,
    bill....@ieee.org wrote:
    On Monday, February 21, 2022 at 8:08:31 PM UTC+11, John Doe
    wrote:
    DecadentLinux...@decadence.org wrote:

    YouTube contains the entire swath of opinions.
    Yes it does. Like lots more girls.
    He cherry picks as stupid TrumpTards always do.

    Huh? Nothing to do with what I posted, but TDS infected Always
    Wrong needed a Trump jabbing fix.

    There's quite a lot wrong with everything that John Doe posts,
    and his mindless enthusiasms for Donald Trump is just one of
    his many problems. It is worth highlighting - it does put him
    in the same box as a number of our other resident idiots.

    Your meaningless "right" wing insult is getting old. Everyone
    not agreeing with you is "right" wing. May be you are in the
    "wrong" wing.

    Don't be silly. Calling somebody right wing isn't necessarily an
    insult, and it says something quite specific about their
    political opinions, so it is anything but meaningless. I'm not in
    any particular "wing". I may look left wing to our more rabid
    enthusiasts for extreme right-wing political opinions, but there
    are equally rabid left-wingers around to whom I look timidly
    middle of the road. They don't post here, but they do exist.


    And, if one is using the bird comparison - right wing AND left
    wing are essential to level flight. They balance off each
    other...either wing, by itself, plummets to their doom.

    Conservatives need liberals, and liberals need conservatives, so
    life can reach a balance of wants, needs, and what is possible.

    John ;-#)#

    +1 Oh, and plus one:

    Well, those wings need a body with muscles to attach to and be
    driven by.

    We need a third party. The keel of the ship, as it were.

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  • From Anthony William Sloman@21:1/5 to DecadentLinux...@decadence.org on Tue Feb 22 06:07:38 2022
    On Tuesday, February 22, 2022 at 4:32:53 PM UTC+11, DecadentLinux...@decadence.org wrote:
    John Robertson <sp...@flippers.com> wrote in news:v8SdnVWkw65x3on_...@giganews.com:
    On 2022/02/21 4:59 p.m., Anthony William Sloman wrote:
    On Tuesday, February 22, 2022 at 5:38:43 AM UTC+11, StupidAsStupidGet wrote:
    On Monday, February 21, 2022 at 5:40:29 AM UTC-8,
    bill....@ieee.org wrote:
    On Monday, February 21, 2022 at 8:08:31 PM UTC+11, John Doe wrote: >>>>> DecadentLinux...@decadence.org wrote:

    And, if one is using the bird comparison - right wing AND left
    wing are essential to level flight. They balance off each
    other...either wing, by itself, plummets to their doom.

    Except that for political parties it's more of a military analogy.

    The elected representatives are a kind of mini-army, and they attack the problems of the state across a broad front.

    The left wants to make sure that everybody is looked after, and wants to change things to make sure that even more people get helped than did when there was less help to spread around. The right is more cautious, and doesn't want to change anything much
    at all, if it doesn't something in it for their particluar supporters.

    Conservatives need liberals, and liberals need conservatives, so
    life can reach a balance of wants, needs, and what is possible.

    Not exactly. The rabid liberals are a bit too adventurous, and the stubborn conservatives don't want to change anything at all, though their ideas of how things used to work aren't always that well founded, and some of them want to revert to a
    particularly primitive and simple state that never actually existed.

    A certain amount of compromise - sold on the basis that it give the nut-jobs at either extreme something to claim as a win - can keep the government moving in a sensible direction.

    +1 Oh, and plus one:

    Well, those wings need a body with muscles to attach to and be driven by.

    That's not the way it works. In Europe, with proportional representation, you end up with a bunch of parties spread across the political spectrum, and coalition governments formed by alliances between some of the parties. The coalitions pretty much have
    to include a couple of middle-of-the-road parties to get the numbers to get legislation passed, but they don't have to be all that symmetrical.

    We need a third party. The keel of the ship, as it were.

    Not really. There are sensible people across most of the political spectrum.

    --
    Bill Sloman, Sydney

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  • From John Doe@21:1/5 to John Robertson on Tue Feb 22 21:24:57 2022
    John Robertson wrote:

    And, if one is using the bird comparison - right wing AND left wing are essential to level flight. They balance off each other...either wing, by itself, plummets to their doom.

    That's amusing. Perhaps it is in those terms' etymology.

    Conservatives need liberals, and liberals need conservatives, so life
    can reach a balance of wants, needs, and what is possible.

    Unless one is broken, then the bird crashes.

    Yes, we certainly do need at least two viable political parties.

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  • From DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno@decadenc@21:1/5 to John Doe on Wed Feb 23 00:49:53 2022
    John Doe <always.look@message.header> wrote in
    news:sv3kb9$fhd$3@dont-email.me:

    John Robertson wrote:

    And, if one is using the bird comparison - right wing AND left
    wing are essential to level flight. They balance off each
    other...either wing, by itself, plummets to their doom.

    That's amusing. Perhaps it is in those terms' etymology.

    Conservatives need liberals, and liberals need conservatives, so
    life can reach a balance of wants, needs, and what is possible.

    Unless one is broken, then the bird crashes.

    Yes, we certainly do need at least two viable political parties.


    I guess that leaves your whore mother out. She isn't viable and failed
    to flush her worst mistake... you.

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  • From Anthony William Sloman@21:1/5 to John Doe on Tue Feb 22 18:09:32 2022
    On Wednesday, February 23, 2022 at 8:25:09 AM UTC+11, John Doe wrote:
    John Robertson wrote:

    And, if one is using the bird comparison - right wing AND left wing are essential to level flight. They balance off each other...either wing, by itself, plummets to their doom.
    That's amusing. Perhaps it is in those terms' etymology.
    Conservatives need liberals, and liberals need conservatives, so life
    can reach a balance of wants, needs, and what is possible.
    Unless one is broken, then the bird crashes.

    Yes, we certainly do need at least two viable political parties.

    The degeneration of the US Republican Party into the Trump Admiration Society has had a fatal impact on it's long term viability. Trump isn't going to live forever.

    --
    Bill Sloman, Sydney

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  • From John Doe@21:1/5 to All on Wed Feb 23 06:27:39 2022
    Apparently this was released immediately after Durham's February 18, 2022
    court filing...

    https://www.wicker.senate.gov/2022/2/wicker-hyde-smith-urge-attorney-general-garland-to-respect-durham-investigation


    Wicker, Hyde-Smith Urge Attorney General Garland to Respect Durham Investigation.

    Miss. Senators Seek Assurances on John Durham Continuing Investigation
    February 18, 2022.

    WASHINGTON - U.S. Senators Roger Wicker, R-Miss., and Cindy Hyde-Smith, R-Miss., joined their colleagues in a letter to Attorney General Merrick Garland seeking assurances that the Department of Justice will continue to respect the prosecutorial independence of Special Counsel John Durham and
    his staff, while also ensuring he is provided all resources necessary to
    fully, thoroughly, and completely pursue the investigation for which he
    was appointed.

    The letter comes as Special Counsel John Durham continues to uncover
    alarming new information about the fraudulent origins of the FBI
    investigation of alleged Russian interference in the 2016 U.S. elections.
    Most recently, that includes revelations in new court filings that
    individuals affiliated with the Hillary Clinton campaign exploited access
    to non-public data from White House internet servers and other locations
    in an attempt to fabricate a narrative of ongoing communications with
    Russia and Russian entities.

    U.S. Senator Rick Scott, R-Fla., led the letter, which was also signed by Leader Mitch McConnell, R-Ky., and Senators John Cornyn, R-Texas, Cynthia Lummis, R-Wyo., Deb Fischer, R-Neb., Joni Ernst, R-Iowa, Mike Crapo,
    R-Idaho, Jim Inhofe, R-Okla., Richard Burr, R-N.C., James Lankford,
    R-Okla., John Kennedy, R-La., Roy Blunt, R-Mo., Kevin Cramer, R-N.D., Ron Johnson, R-Wis., Roger Marshall, R-Kan., Tom Cotton, R-Ark., Marco Rubio, R-Fla., Mike Lee, R-Utah, Pat Toomey, R-Penn., Tommy Tuberville, R-Ala.,
    Chuck Grassley, R-Iowa, John Thune, R-S.D., Mike Braun, R-Ind., John
    Barrasso, R-Wyo., Dan Sullivan, R-Alaska, Ted Cruz, R-Texas, Mike Rounds, R-S.D., Jim Risch, R-Idaho, Steve Daines, R-Mont., John Hoeven, R-N.D.,
    Thom Tillis, R-N.C., Todd Young, R-Ind., John Moran, R-Kan., Rob Portman, R-Ohio, Marsha Blackburn, R-Tenn., John Boozman, R-Ark., Lindsey Graham, R-S.C., Bill Hagerty, R-Tenn., Ben Sasse, R-Neb., Tim Scott, R-S.C.,
    Shelly Moore Capito, R-W.Va., Josh Hawley, R-Mo., Richard Shelby, R-Ala.,
    and Rand Paul, R-Ky.




    Dear Attorney General Garland:

    We write to seek your assurance that you will continue to respect the prosecutorial independence of Special Counsel John Durham and his staff,
    while also ensuring he is provided all resources necessary to fully, thoroughly, and completely pursue the investigation for which he was
    appointed.

    As you are aware, Special Counsel Durham continues to uncover alarming information related to the origins of the FBI investigation into alleged Russian interference in the 2016 United States elections. Those findings include the highly concerning, and potentially criminal, manipulation and exploitation of federal law enforcement resources to target American
    citizens, including a presidential candidate, based upon fabricated
    evidence that had been procured and disseminated by individuals closely connected with a rival political campaign.

    The fraudulent abuse of the FBI's investigative powers by those malign
    actors has left a dark stain on the reputation and credibility of the
    nation's premier law enforcement agency. We hope you agree that those responsible for that manipulation and exploitation must be identified and prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law by Special Counsel Durham. We further expect you will support his important work until all those
    responsible for the fraud committed upon the American people are brought
    to justice.

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  • From Sjouke Burry@21:1/5 to Anthony William Sloman on Wed Feb 23 07:41:20 2022
    On 23.02.22 3:09, Anthony William Sloman wrote:
    On Wednesday, February 23, 2022 at 8:25:09 AM UTC+11, John Doe wrote:
    John Robertson wrote:

    And, if one is using the bird comparison - right wing AND left wing are
    essential to level flight. They balance off each other...either wing, by >>> itself, plummets to their doom.
    That's amusing. Perhaps it is in those terms' etymology.
    Conservatives need liberals, and liberals need conservatives, so life
    can reach a balance of wants, needs, and what is possible.
    Unless one is broken, then the bird crashes.

    Yes, we certainly do need at least two viable political parties.

    The degeneration of the US Republican Party into the Trump Admiration Society has had a fatal impact on it's long term viability. Trump isn't going to live forever.

    But the number of idiots is refreshed continuously.

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  • From John Doe@21:1/5 to All on Wed Feb 23 06:30:47 2022
    Sorry, on the eleventh.
    The Senate Republican response was one week later.

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  • From Anthony William Sloman@21:1/5 to John Doe on Wed Feb 23 00:01:05 2022
    On Wednesday, February 23, 2022 at 5:27:49 PM UTC+11, John Doe wrote:
    Apparently this was released immediately after Durham's February 18, 2022 court filing...

    https://www.wicker.senate.gov/2022/2/wicker-hyde-smith-urge-attorney-general-garland-to-respect-durham-investigation

    <snip>

    As you are aware, Special Counsel Durham continues to uncover alarming information related to the origins of the FBI investigation into alleged Russian interference in the 2016 United States elections. Those findings include the highly concerning, and potentially criminal, manipulation and exploitation of federal law enforcement resources to target American citizens, including a presidential candidate, based upon fabricated
    evidence that had been procured and disseminated by individuals closely connected with a rival political campaign.

    In fact the individuals' connection to the rival political campaign seems to have been that they saw them as potential customers fro the evidence, which wasn't so much "fabricated" as obtained by questionable methods.

    It's all Republican wishful thinking. The real problem with Trump is that he is a dirtbag, even if he has lot of practice in covering his tracks.

    What the Repulbicans persist in ignoring is that there was quite a bit dirt to be found by looking carefully as Trump's election team, and the Mueller inquiry sent a few of them to prison, and revealed substantial covert Russian intervention in the 2016
    presidential election all ditredte4d at getting Trump elected.

    The fraudulent abuse of the FBI's investigative powers by those malign actors has left a dark stain on the reputation and credibility of the nation's premier law enforcement agency.

    Rubbish. They took the rumours about dirt seriously enough to find real crimes. Trump doesn't seem to have committed any of them but he was happy to accept Russian help - they were happy to exploit the Russian hacking of the Clinton computers.

    We hope you agree that those responsible for that manipulation and exploitation must be identified and prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law by Special Counsel Durham. We further expect you will support his important work until all those
    responsible for the fraud committed upon the American people are brought
    to justice.

    But they can't imagine that Trump might get caught up in that dragnet - or won't admit that very real possibility, even to themselves.

    -
    Bill Sloman, Sytdney

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  • From John Doe@21:1/5 to All on Wed Feb 23 07:49:01 2022
    https://youtu.be/U00rfjdjrzo

    6:27

    Judicial Watch's Tom Fitton on Fox News.

    "The Great Suppression"

    No big deal, but it's a fun interview.

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  • From John Doe@21:1/5 to All on Wed Feb 23 08:30:56 2022
    This is for human consumption, Bozo, not consumption of humans, so don't
    get so excited about it.


    Bozo Bill Sloman is an attention-craving chronic liar who cannot be
    reasoned with...

    "the Mueller investigation was about Trump only because Trump made it so"
    (Bozo paraphrased)

    "the concepts "male" and "female" are essentially social constructions"
    (Bill Sloman)

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  • From Anthony William Sloman@21:1/5 to John Doe on Wed Feb 23 02:46:33 2022
    On Wednesday, February 23, 2022 at 7:31:06 PM UTC+11, John Doe wrote:

    This is for human consumption <snipped the rest, which was pretty much the usual nonsense>

    It's clear that the target audience is brain-damaged humans. Only people who - like you - who are sufficiently cognitively damaged to be utterly gullible could possibly taken any of it seriously.

    --
    Bill Sloman, Sydney

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