• Trucker Preferential Treatment

    From Rick C@21:1/5 to All on Thu Feb 10 17:30:41 2022
    I believe there are places that have said it is ok to run over protesters if they are blocking major highways. By corollary, it should be ok to blow up trucker's rigs if they are used to block roads and shut down cities. No?

    I never was very good at understanding legal stuff.

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  • From Lasse Langwadt Christensen@21:1/5 to All on Thu Feb 10 17:36:01 2022
    fredag den 11. februar 2022 kl. 02.30.49 UTC+1 skrev gnuarm.del...@gmail.com:
    I believe there are places that have said it is ok to run over protesters if they are blocking major highways. By corollary, it should be ok to blow up trucker's rigs if they are used to block roads and shut down cities. No?

    I never was very good at understanding legal stuff.

    if you think running over people or blowing up truckers is ok, you must not be very good with common sense either

    https://www.reuters.com/article/uk-factcheck-running-over-protesters-blo-idUSKBN23B39U

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  • From Dean Hoffman@21:1/5 to gnuarm.del...@gmail.com on Thu Feb 10 18:07:14 2022
    On Thursday, February 10, 2022 at 7:30:49 PM UTC-6, gnuarm.del...@gmail.com wrote:
    I believe there are places that have said it is ok to run over protesters if they are blocking major highways. By corollary, it should be ok to blow up trucker's rigs if they are used to block roads and shut down cities. No?

    I never was very good at understanding legal stuff.

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    For a practical matter, there's a shortage of truckers but not of protesters.

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  • From Rick C@21:1/5 to dean...@gmail.com on Thu Feb 10 18:15:11 2022
    On Thursday, February 10, 2022 at 9:07:23 PM UTC-5, dean...@gmail.com wrote:
    On Thursday, February 10, 2022 at 7:30:49 PM UTC-6, gnuarm.del...@gmail.com wrote:
    I believe there are places that have said it is ok to run over protesters if they are blocking major highways. By corollary, it should be ok to blow up trucker's rigs if they are used to block roads and shut down cities. No?

    I never was very good at understanding legal stuff.

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    Rick C.

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    For a practical matter, there's a shortage of truckers but not of protesters.

    But how much good are truckers if they block roads instead of hauling goods over them?

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  • From bitrex@21:1/5 to Rick C on Thu Feb 10 21:28:25 2022
    On 2/10/2022 8:30 PM, Rick C wrote:
    I believe there are places that have said it is ok to run over protesters if they are blocking major highways. By corollary, it should be ok to blow up trucker's rigs if they are used to block roads and shut down cities. No?

    I never was very good at understanding legal stuff.


    Remarkably it looks like every state legislature had the good sense to
    notice that the potential civil liability between driving a vehicle into
    a person by accident vs. intentionally was already adequately covered by
    other laws.

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  • From Rick C@21:1/5 to lang...@fonz.dk on Thu Feb 10 18:28:35 2022
    On Thursday, February 10, 2022 at 8:36:12 PM UTC-5, lang...@fonz.dk wrote:
    fredag den 11. februar 2022 kl. 02.30.49 UTC+1 skrev gnuarm.del...@gmail.com:
    I believe there are places that have said it is ok to run over protesters if they are blocking major highways. By corollary, it should be ok to blow up trucker's rigs if they are used to block roads and shut down cities. No?

    I never was very good at understanding legal stuff.
    if you think running over people or blowing up truckers is ok, you must not be very good with common sense either

    https://www.reuters.com/article/uk-factcheck-running-over-protesters-blo-idUSKBN23B39U

    Your reading of my post would seem to show a lack of comprehension. Where did I say anything about it being ok with *me* to "blow up" truckers' rigs??? I'm asking about the law.

    "Under the law’s provisions, those driving on a road or highway while a protest is occurring are granted civil immunity protections if they drive their vehicles into the crowd, causing harm to those taking part in the demonstration. This is similar to
    an Oklahoma law that was recently passed by the state legislature, which also provides protections for drivers who use their vehicles to harm groups exercising their First Amendment rights of speech and assembly."

    So there are states where it seems to be ok in at least a civil sense to run over protesters.

    "Under the law’s provisions, those driving on a road or highway while a protest is occurring are granted civil immunity protections if they drive their vehicles into the crowd, causing harm to those taking part in the demonstration. This is similar to
    an Oklahoma law that was recently passed by the state legislature, which also provides protections for drivers who use their vehicles to harm groups exercising their First Amendment rights of speech and assembly."

    https://truthout.org/articles/desantis-signs-bill-giving-vehicle-drivers-civil-protections-to-hit-protesters/

    Or perhaps this web site is misinterpreting the laws in those two states? I'm willing to bet those laws are not Constitutional and would be struck down in an appropriate case.

    So maybe it is not "ok" to blow up truckers' rigs, but clearly it would be "ok" to run them over once outside their vehicles. That's the law in Florida!

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  • From bitrex@21:1/5 to Dean Hoffman on Thu Feb 10 21:34:38 2022
    On 2/10/2022 9:07 PM, Dean Hoffman wrote:
    On Thursday, February 10, 2022 at 7:30:49 PM UTC-6, gnuarm.del...@gmail.com wrote:
    I believe there are places that have said it is ok to run over protesters if they are blocking major highways. By corollary, it should be ok to blow up trucker's rigs if they are used to block roads and shut down cities. No?

    I never was very good at understanding legal stuff.

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    Rick C.

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    For a practical matter, there's a shortage of truckers but not of protesters.

    There's a shortage of truckers in part because the job doesn't pay
    nearly as much or is nearly as secure as it once was.

    Average age of a long-haul truck driver in the US is something like 53
    why are the kids these days not getting into the field, because they
    figure the pay for newbies is TOO GOOD and they all hate money and
    protesting pays better? ????

    Yeah maybe but I don't think that's the reason.

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  • From Dean Hoffman@21:1/5 to gnuarm.del...@gmail.com on Thu Feb 10 18:58:58 2022
    On Thursday, February 10, 2022 at 8:15:21 PM UTC-6, gnuarm.del...@gmail.com wrote:
    On Thursday, February 10, 2022 at 9:07:23 PM UTC-5, dean...@gmail.com wrote:
    On Thursday, February 10, 2022 at 7:30:49 PM UTC-6, gnuarm.del...@gmail.com wrote:
    I believe there are places that have said it is ok to run over protesters if they are blocking major highways. By corollary, it should be ok to blow up trucker's rigs if they are used to block roads and shut down cities. No?

    I never was very good at understanding legal stuff.

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    Rick C.

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    For a practical matter, there's a shortage of truckers but not of protesters.
    But how much good are truckers if they block roads instead of hauling goods over them?

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    Truckers would probably have better stories to tell during a poker game than ordinary protestors. There are pulling contests for semis similar to tractor pulls.
    Remember C.W. McCall and "Convoy"? <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GdTQb_IHbt8>

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  • From Lasse Langwadt Christensen@21:1/5 to All on Thu Feb 10 18:42:41 2022
    fredag den 11. februar 2022 kl. 03.28.43 UTC+1 skrev gnuarm.del...@gmail.com:
    On Thursday, February 10, 2022 at 8:36:12 PM UTC-5, lang...@fonz.dk wrote:
    fredag den 11. februar 2022 kl. 02.30.49 UTC+1 skrev gnuarm.del...@gmail.com:
    I believe there are places that have said it is ok to run over protesters if they are blocking major highways. By corollary, it should be ok to blow up trucker's rigs if they are used to block roads and shut down cities. No?

    I never was very good at understanding legal stuff.
    if you think running over people or blowing up truckers is ok, you must not be very good with common sense either

    https://www.reuters.com/article/uk-factcheck-running-over-protesters-blo-idUSKBN23B39U
    Your reading of my post would seem to show a lack of comprehension. Where did I say anything about it being ok with *me* to "blow up" truckers' rigs??? I'm asking about the law.

    "Under the law’s provisions, those driving on a road or highway while a protest is occurring are granted civil immunity protections if they drive their vehicles into the crowd, causing harm to those taking part in the demonstration. This is similar
    to an Oklahoma law that was recently passed by the state legislature, which also provides protections for drivers who use their vehicles to harm groups exercising their First Amendment rights of speech and assembly."

    So there are states where it seems to be ok in at least a civil sense to run over protesters.

    "Under the law’s provisions, those driving on a road or highway while a protest is occurring are granted civil immunity protections if they drive their vehicles into the crowd, causing harm to those taking part in the demonstration. This is similar
    to an Oklahoma law that was recently passed by the state legislature, which also provides protections for drivers who use their vehicles to harm groups exercising their First Amendment rights of speech and assembly."

    https://truthout.org/articles/desantis-signs-bill-giving-vehicle-drivers-civil-protections-to-hit-protesters/

    Or perhaps this web site is misinterpreting the laws in those two states? I'm willing to bet those laws are not Constitutional and would be struck down in an appropriate case.

    So maybe it is not "ok" to blow up truckers' rigs, but clearly it would be "ok" to run them over once outside their vehicles. That's the law in Florida!


    the passage from the Oklahoma law:
    "
    1. The injury or death of the individual occurred while the
    motor vehicle operator was fleeing from a riot, as defined in
    Section 1311 of Title 21 of the Oklahoma Statutes, under a
    reasonable belief that fleeing was necessary to protect the motor
    vehicle operator from serious injury or death; and
    2. The motor vehicle operator exercised due care at the time of
    the death or injury.
    "
    I can't find the Florida law but I suspect it is similar

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  • From Sylvia Else@21:1/5 to Rick C on Fri Feb 11 14:38:16 2022
    On 11-Feb-22 12:30 pm, Rick C wrote:
    I believe there are places that have said it is ok to run over protesters if they are blocking major highways. By corollary, it should be ok to blow up trucker's rigs if they are used to block roads and shut down cities. No?

    I never was very good at understanding legal stuff.


    Seems a bit drastic. It should be simple enough to arrest the truckers
    and drive the trucks away. If this is not happening, it must be a
    political decision.

    Sylvia.

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  • From jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com@21:1/5 to deanh6929@gmail.com on Thu Feb 10 20:55:21 2022
    On Thu, 10 Feb 2022 18:07:14 -0800 (PST), Dean Hoffman
    <deanh6929@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Thursday, February 10, 2022 at 7:30:49 PM UTC-6, gnuarm.del...@gmail.com wrote:
    I believe there are places that have said it is ok to run over protesters if they are blocking major highways. By corollary, it should be ok to blow up trucker's rigs if they are used to block roads and shut down cities. No?

    I never was very good at understanding legal stuff.

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    For a practical matter, there's a shortage of truckers but not of protesters.

    Another minor practical matter is that truckers keep us alive.



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  • From John Doe@21:1/5 to Rick C on Fri Feb 11 05:07:52 2022
    Rick C <gnuarm.deletethisbit@gmail.com> wrote:

    I believe there are places that have said it is ok to run over
    protesters if they are blocking major highways. By corollary, it should
    be ok to blow up trucker's rigs if they are used to block roads and shut
    down cities. No?

    I never was very good at understanding legal stuff.

    You are good at promoting false premises. By corollary. Ad nauseam.

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  • From Rick C@21:1/5 to lang...@fonz.dk on Thu Feb 10 21:36:17 2022
    On Thursday, February 10, 2022 at 9:42:49 PM UTC-5, lang...@fonz.dk wrote:
    fredag den 11. februar 2022 kl. 03.28.43 UTC+1 skrev gnuarm.del...@gmail.com:
    On Thursday, February 10, 2022 at 8:36:12 PM UTC-5, lang...@fonz.dk wrote:
    fredag den 11. februar 2022 kl. 02.30.49 UTC+1 skrev gnuarm.del...@gmail.com:
    I believe there are places that have said it is ok to run over protesters if they are blocking major highways. By corollary, it should be ok to blow up trucker's rigs if they are used to block roads and shut down cities. No?

    I never was very good at understanding legal stuff.
    if you think running over people or blowing up truckers is ok, you must not be very good with common sense either

    https://www.reuters.com/article/uk-factcheck-running-over-protesters-blo-idUSKBN23B39U
    Your reading of my post would seem to show a lack of comprehension. Where did I say anything about it being ok with *me* to "blow up" truckers' rigs??? I'm asking about the law.

    "Under the law’s provisions, those driving on a road or highway while a protest is occurring are granted civil immunity protections if they drive their vehicles into the crowd, causing harm to those taking part in the demonstration. This is similar
    to an Oklahoma law that was recently passed by the state legislature, which also provides protections for drivers who use their vehicles to harm groups exercising their First Amendment rights of speech and assembly."

    So there are states where it seems to be ok in at least a civil sense to run over protesters.

    "Under the law’s provisions, those driving on a road or highway while a protest is occurring are granted civil immunity protections if they drive their vehicles into the crowd, causing harm to those taking part in the demonstration. This is similar
    to an Oklahoma law that was recently passed by the state legislature, which also provides protections for drivers who use their vehicles to harm groups exercising their First Amendment rights of speech and assembly."

    https://truthout.org/articles/desantis-signs-bill-giving-vehicle-drivers-civil-protections-to-hit-protesters/

    Or perhaps this web site is misinterpreting the laws in those two states? I'm willing to bet those laws are not Constitutional and would be struck down in an appropriate case.

    So maybe it is not "ok" to blow up truckers' rigs, but clearly it would be "ok" to run them over once outside their vehicles. That's the law in Florida!

    the passage from the Oklahoma law:
    "
    1. The injury or death of the individual occurred while the
    motor vehicle operator was fleeing from a riot, as defined in
    Section 1311 of Title 21 of the Oklahoma Statutes, under a
    reasonable belief that fleeing was necessary to protect the motor
    vehicle operator from serious injury or death; and
    2. The motor vehicle operator exercised due care at the time of
    the death or injury.
    "
    I can't find the Florida law but I suspect it is similar

    Never assume. You make an "ass" out of "u" and "me"... Didn't you ever see the Odd Couple?

    Any law that includes a test regarding a state of mind is pretty much an open door.

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  • From Rick C@21:1/5 to Sylvia Else on Thu Feb 10 21:38:43 2022
    On Thursday, February 10, 2022 at 10:38:28 PM UTC-5, Sylvia Else wrote:
    On 11-Feb-22 12:30 pm, Rick C wrote:
    I believe there are places that have said it is ok to run over protesters if they are blocking major highways. By corollary, it should be ok to blow up trucker's rigs if they are used to block roads and shut down cities. No?

    I never was very good at understanding legal stuff.

    Seems a bit drastic. It should be simple enough to arrest the truckers
    and drive the trucks away. If this is not happening, it must be a
    political decision.

    Of course! Truckers are second only to farmers in terms of gaining public sympathy. A government official would only take direction action against them if they did not plan on running for reelection.

    They would not drive the trucks away though. They would be towed and impounded.

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  • From Anthony William Sloman@21:1/5 to jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com on Fri Feb 11 02:59:13 2022
    On Friday, February 11, 2022 at 3:55:36 PM UTC+11, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
    On Thu, 10 Feb 2022 18:07:14 -0800 (PST), Dean Hoffman <dean...@gmail.com> wrote:
    On Thursday, February 10, 2022 at 7:30:49 PM UTC-6, gnuarm.del...@gmail.com wrote:
    I believe there are places that have said it is ok to run over protesters if they are blocking major highways. By corollary, it should be ok to blow up trucker's rigs if they are used to block roads and shut down cities. No?

    I never was very good at understanding legal stuff.

    For a practical matter, there's a shortage of truckers but not of protesters.

    Another minor practical matter is that truckers keep us alive.

    Not when they are blocking highways. John Larkin's grasp of practical reality isn't all that firm.

    --
    Bill Sloman, Sydney

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  • From Tom Gardner@21:1/5 to jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com on Fri Feb 11 11:03:25 2022
    On 11/02/22 04:55, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
    On Thu, 10 Feb 2022 18:07:14 -0800 (PST), Dean Hoffman
    <deanh6929@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Thursday, February 10, 2022 at 7:30:49 PM UTC-6, gnuarm.del...@gmail.com wrote:
    I believe there are places that have said it is ok to run over protesters if they are blocking major highways. By corollary, it should be ok to blow up trucker's rigs if they are used to block roads and shut down cities. No?

    I never was very good at understanding legal stuff.

    --

    Rick C.

    - Get 1,000 miles of free Supercharging
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    For a practical matter, there's a shortage of truckers but not of protesters.

    Another minor practical matter is that truckers keep us alive.

    When blocking roads, truckers (and others) kill people.

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  • From Sylvia Else@21:1/5 to Rick C on Fri Feb 11 22:34:24 2022
    On 11-Feb-22 12:30 pm, Rick C wrote:
    I believe there are places that have said it is ok to run over protesters if they are blocking major highways.

    I very much doubt that is the case.

    Sylvia.

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  • From jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com@21:1/5 to spamjunk@blueyonder.co.uk on Fri Feb 11 05:15:18 2022
    On Fri, 11 Feb 2022 11:03:25 +0000, Tom Gardner
    <spamjunk@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:

    On 11/02/22 04:55, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
    On Thu, 10 Feb 2022 18:07:14 -0800 (PST), Dean Hoffman
    <deanh6929@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Thursday, February 10, 2022 at 7:30:49 PM UTC-6, gnuarm.del...@gmail.com wrote:
    I believe there are places that have said it is ok to run over protesters if they are blocking major highways. By corollary, it should be ok to blow up trucker's rigs if they are used to block roads and shut down cities. No?

    I never was very good at understanding legal stuff.

    --

    Rick C.

    - Get 1,000 miles of free Supercharging
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    For a practical matter, there's a shortage of truckers but not of protesters.

    Another minor practical matter is that truckers keep us alive.

    When blocking roads, truckers (and others) kill people.

    The truckers should just stay home and let the urban elites freeze and
    starve in the dark.

    Let them eat masks.



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  • From Anthony William Sloman@21:1/5 to jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com on Fri Feb 11 07:25:17 2022
    On Saturday, February 12, 2022 at 12:15:33 AM UTC+11, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
    On Fri, 11 Feb 2022 11:03:25 +0000, Tom Gardner
    <spam...@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:

    On 11/02/22 04:55, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
    On Thu, 10 Feb 2022 18:07:14 -0800 (PST), Dean Hoffman
    <dean...@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Thursday, February 10, 2022 at 7:30:49 PM UTC-6, gnuarm.del...@gmail.com wrote:
    I believe there are places that have said it is ok to run over protesters if they are blocking major highways. By corollary, it should be ok to blow up trucker's rigs if they are used to block roads and shut down cities. No?

    I never was very good at understanding legal stuff.

    For a practical matter, there's a shortage of truckers but not of protesters.

    Another minor practical matter is that truckers keep us alive.

    When blocking roads, truckers (and others) kill people.

    The truckers should just stay home and let the urban elites freeze and starve in the dark.

    Some of the trucker might stay home, but there will be enough scab truckers to keep the food flowing.

    Let them eat masks.

    Marie Antoinette was a little more realistic.

    https://www.britannica.com/story/did-marie-antoinette-really-say-let-them-eat-cake

    John Larkin hasn't noticed that modern society is remarkably complicated, and all sorts of people could withdraw their labour and let the urban elites freeze and starve in the dark. The trade union movement depends on it. The people who pay all these
    essential people don't like trade unions, for fairly obvious reasons, and they are rather more influential in American than in more egalitarian countries (which is most of the rest of the advanced industrial world).

    The negotiations in the US are a trifle less well organised in consequence.

    --
    Bill Sloman, Sydney

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  • From Rick C@21:1/5 to Sylvia Else on Fri Feb 11 09:56:40 2022
    On Friday, February 11, 2022 at 6:34:36 AM UTC-5, Sylvia Else wrote:
    On 11-Feb-22 12:30 pm, Rick C wrote:
    I believe there are places that have said it is ok to run over protesters if they are blocking major highways.
    I very much doubt that is the case.

    You have not kept up with your news. DeSantis made a bit of a splash some months ago when this bill was signed into law. It prevents civil liability in such a case. Criminal prosecution is always contingent on the willingness of prosecutors to pursue
    a given event. Consider the Arbery case where prosecution was deferred until the video leaked out.

    The law preventing civil liability in Florida has opened the door to extremely violent actions without consequence.

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  • From bitrex@21:1/5 to jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com on Fri Feb 11 13:45:17 2022
    On 2/11/2022 8:15 AM, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
    On Fri, 11 Feb 2022 11:03:25 +0000, Tom Gardner
    <spamjunk@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:

    On 11/02/22 04:55, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
    On Thu, 10 Feb 2022 18:07:14 -0800 (PST), Dean Hoffman
    <deanh6929@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Thursday, February 10, 2022 at 7:30:49 PM UTC-6, gnuarm.del...@gmail.com wrote:
    I believe there are places that have said it is ok to run over protesters if they are blocking major highways. By corollary, it should be ok to blow up trucker's rigs if they are used to block roads and shut down cities. No?

    I never was very good at understanding legal stuff.

    --

    Rick C.

    - Get 1,000 miles of free Supercharging
    - Tesla referral code - https://ts.la/richard11209

    For a practical matter, there's a shortage of truckers but not of protesters.

    Another minor practical matter is that truckers keep us alive.

    When blocking roads, truckers (and others) kill people.

    The truckers should just stay home and let the urban elites freeze and
    starve in the dark.

    And pay their bills how - via America's excellent social welfare
    programs for people who don't wanna work?

    Let them eat masks.

    Om nom nom

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  • From bitrex@21:1/5 to Anthony William Sloman on Fri Feb 11 13:49:45 2022
    On 2/11/2022 10:25 AM, Anthony William Sloman wrote:
    On Saturday, February 12, 2022 at 12:15:33 AM UTC+11, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
    On Fri, 11 Feb 2022 11:03:25 +0000, Tom Gardner
    <spam...@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:

    On 11/02/22 04:55, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
    On Thu, 10 Feb 2022 18:07:14 -0800 (PST), Dean Hoffman
    <dean...@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Thursday, February 10, 2022 at 7:30:49 PM UTC-6, gnuarm.del...@gmail.com wrote:
    I believe there are places that have said it is ok to run over protesters if they are blocking major highways. By corollary, it should be ok to blow up trucker's rigs if they are used to block roads and shut down cities. No?

    I never was very good at understanding legal stuff.

    For a practical matter, there's a shortage of truckers but not of protesters.

    Another minor practical matter is that truckers keep us alive.

    When blocking roads, truckers (and others) kill people.

    The truckers should just stay home and let the urban elites freeze and starve in the dark.

    Some of the trucker might stay home, but there will be enough scab truckers to keep the food flowing.

    Let them eat masks.

    Marie Antoinette was a little more realistic.

    https://www.britannica.com/story/did-marie-antoinette-really-say-let-them-eat-cake

    John Larkin hasn't noticed that modern society is remarkably complicated, and all sorts of people could withdraw their labour and let the urban elites freeze and starve in the dark. The trade union movement depends on it. The people who pay all these
    essential people don't like trade unions, for fairly obvious reasons, and they are rather more influential in American than in more egalitarian countries (which is most of the rest of the advanced industrial world).

    The negotiations in the US are a trifle less well organised in consequence.


    Only people who seem to been freezing in the dark lately was in Texas
    and Virginia, probably not the "urban elites" Mr. Larkin is talking about.

    Received almost three feet of snow around here a couple weeks ago, the
    lights didn't even flicker. It wasn't always that way but I think
    they've been doing a better job maintaining the trees near the lines lately

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From John Larkin@21:1/5 to bitrex on Fri Feb 11 12:18:39 2022
    On Fri, 11 Feb 2022 13:45:17 -0500, bitrex <user@example.net> wrote:

    On 2/11/2022 8:15 AM, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
    On Fri, 11 Feb 2022 11:03:25 +0000, Tom Gardner
    <spamjunk@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:

    On 11/02/22 04:55, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
    On Thu, 10 Feb 2022 18:07:14 -0800 (PST), Dean Hoffman
    <deanh6929@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Thursday, February 10, 2022 at 7:30:49 PM UTC-6, gnuarm.del...@gmail.com wrote:
    I believe there are places that have said it is ok to run over protesters if they are blocking major highways. By corollary, it should be ok to blow up trucker's rigs if they are used to block roads and shut down cities. No?

    I never was very good at understanding legal stuff.

    --

    Rick C.

    - Get 1,000 miles of free Supercharging
    - Tesla referral code - https://ts.la/richard11209

    For a practical matter, there's a shortage of truckers but not of protesters.

    Another minor practical matter is that truckers keep us alive.

    When blocking roads, truckers (and others) kill people.

    The truckers should just stay home and let the urban elites freeze and
    starve in the dark.

    And pay their bills how - via America's excellent social welfare
    programs for people who don't wanna work?

    Let them eat masks.

    Om nom nom

    The truckers can ignore their bills for a few months. Can the
    urbanites ignore their hunger for a few months?

    --

    If a man will begin with certainties, he shall end with doubts,
    but if he will be content to begin with doubts he shall end in certainties. Francis Bacon

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Rick C@21:1/5 to John Larkin on Fri Feb 11 13:09:36 2022
    On Friday, February 11, 2022 at 3:18:55 PM UTC-5, John Larkin wrote:
    On Fri, 11 Feb 2022 13:45:17 -0500, bitrex <us...@example.net> wrote:

    On 2/11/2022 8:15 AM, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
    On Fri, 11 Feb 2022 11:03:25 +0000, Tom Gardner
    <spam...@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:

    On 11/02/22 04:55, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
    On Thu, 10 Feb 2022 18:07:14 -0800 (PST), Dean Hoffman
    <dean...@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Thursday, February 10, 2022 at 7:30:49 PM UTC-6, gnuarm.del...@gmail.com wrote:
    I believe there are places that have said it is ok to run over protesters if they are blocking major highways. By corollary, it should be ok to blow up trucker's rigs if they are used to block roads and shut down cities. No?

    I never was very good at understanding legal stuff.

    --

    Rick C.

    - Get 1,000 miles of free Supercharging
    - Tesla referral code - https://ts.la/richard11209

    For a practical matter, there's a shortage of truckers but not of protesters.

    Another minor practical matter is that truckers keep us alive.

    When blocking roads, truckers (and others) kill people.

    The truckers should just stay home and let the urban elites freeze and
    starve in the dark.

    And pay their bills how - via America's excellent social welfare
    programs for people who don't wanna work?

    Let them eat masks.

    Om nom nom
    The truckers can ignore their bills for a few months. Can the
    urbanites ignore their hunger for a few months?

    Everyone can ignore shortages in stores for a few days as the obstructionist truckers have their licenses pulled and new truckers are hired to replace the malcontents, much in the same way the air traffic controllers were fired and replaced for striking.

    I've had jobs before where anyone who complained about working condition were pointed toward the door. Don't ever think you can't be replaced.

    At least the truckers can pay their bills by selling their rigs... assuming they own them. More likely they are owned by Nancy, financy.

    --

    Rick C.

    --- Get 1,000 miles of free Supercharging
    --- Tesla referral code - https://ts.la/richard11209

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno@decadenc@21:1/5 to Anthony William Sloman on Fri Feb 11 21:31:39 2022
    Anthony William Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> wrote in news:0162d2e8-870b-4503-a20a-16ff7bc71a6dn@googlegroups.com:

    On Friday, February 11, 2022 at 3:55:36 PM UTC+11, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
    On Thu, 10 Feb 2022 18:07:14 -0800 (PST), Dean Hoffman
    <dean...@gmail.com> wrote:
    On Thursday, February 10, 2022 at 7:30:49 PM UTC-6,
    gnuarm.del...@gmail.com wrote:
    I believe there are places that have said it is ok to run over
    protesters if they are blocking major highways. By corollary,
    it should be ok to blow up trucker's rigs if they are used to
    block roads and shut down cities. No?

    I never was very good at understanding legal stuff.

    For a practical matter, there's a shortage of truckers but not
    of protesters.

    Another minor practical matter is that truckers keep us alive.

    Not when they are blocking highways. John Larkin's grasp of
    practical reality isn't all that firm.


    500 point DJ drop today. I will give you three guesses as to why and
    the first two don't count.

    Fear of Putin's effect, and the friggin' truckers blocking access to
    Canada from and to the US.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From John Larkin@21:1/5 to jlarkin@highland_atwork_technology. on Fri Feb 11 13:18:12 2022
    On Fri, 11 Feb 2022 12:18:39 -0800, John Larkin <jlarkin@highland_atwork_technology.com> wrote:

    On Fri, 11 Feb 2022 13:45:17 -0500, bitrex <user@example.net> wrote:

    On 2/11/2022 8:15 AM, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
    On Fri, 11 Feb 2022 11:03:25 +0000, Tom Gardner
    <spamjunk@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:

    On 11/02/22 04:55, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
    On Thu, 10 Feb 2022 18:07:14 -0800 (PST), Dean Hoffman
    <deanh6929@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Thursday, February 10, 2022 at 7:30:49 PM UTC-6, gnuarm.del...@gmail.com wrote:
    I believe there are places that have said it is ok to run over protesters if they are blocking major highways. By corollary, it should be ok to blow up trucker's rigs if they are used to block roads and shut down cities. No?

    I never was very good at understanding legal stuff.

    --

    Rick C.

    - Get 1,000 miles of free Supercharging
    - Tesla referral code - https://ts.la/richard11209

    For a practical matter, there's a shortage of truckers but not of protesters.

    Another minor practical matter is that truckers keep us alive.

    When blocking roads, truckers (and others) kill people.

    The truckers should just stay home and let the urban elites freeze and
    starve in the dark.

    And pay their bills how - via America's excellent social welfare
    programs for people who don't wanna work?

    Let them eat masks.

    Om nom nom

    The truckers can ignore their bills for a few months. Can the
    urbanites ignore their hunger for a few months?

    Excellent rant:

    https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2022/02/11/nolte-truck-drivers-are-the-atlas-that-finally-shrugged/

    (but plasma TVs?)

    --

    If a man will begin with certainties, he shall end with doubts,
    but if he will be content to begin with doubts he shall end in certainties. Francis Bacon

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno@decadenc@21:1/5 to jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com on Fri Feb 11 21:38:33 2022
    jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote in news:a6oc0hddhnno8gighk5nk8741lifm9srg8@4ax.com:

    The truckers should just stay home and let the urban elites freeze
    and starve in the dark.

    Let them eat masks.



    Force feed you freshly discarded masks.

    John Larkin, providing proof of his abject utter stupidity once
    again.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno@decadenc@21:1/5 to Sylvia Else on Fri Feb 11 21:34:23 2022
    Sylvia Else <sylvia@email.invalid> wrote in news:j6mvu0FeuiqU1@mid.individual.net:

    On 11-Feb-22 12:30 pm, Rick C wrote:
    I believe there are places that have said it is ok to run over
    protesters if they are blocking major highways.

    I very much doubt that is the case.

    Sylvia.


    Makes for a good use of a neutron tactical "device".
    Eh... look at that bright light. eh?

    Just kidding of course.

    We should actually fill up GITMO with seditionist lawmakers, and test
    one there after pulling out all the guards.
    No kidding there at all.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno@decadenc@21:1/5 to bitrex on Fri Feb 11 22:07:11 2022
    bitrex <user@example.net> wrote in
    news:ddyNJ.20506$z688.8403@fx35.iad:

    On 2/11/2022 10:25 AM, Anthony William Sloman wrote:
    On Saturday, February 12, 2022 at 12:15:33 AM UTC+11,
    jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
    On Fri, 11 Feb 2022 11:03:25 +0000, Tom Gardner
    <spam...@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:

    On 11/02/22 04:55, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
    On Thu, 10 Feb 2022 18:07:14 -0800 (PST), Dean Hoffman
    <dean...@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Thursday, February 10, 2022 at 7:30:49 PM UTC-6,
    gnuarm.del...@gmail.com wrote:
    I believe there are places that have said it is ok to run
    over protesters if they are blocking major highways. By
    corollary, it should be ok to blow up trucker's rigs if they
    are used to block roads and shut down cities. No?

    I never was very good at understanding legal stuff.

    For a practical matter, there's a shortage of truckers but
    not of protesters.

    Another minor practical matter is that truckers keep us alive.

    When blocking roads, truckers (and others) kill people.

    The truckers should just stay home and let the urban elites
    freeze and starve in the dark.

    Some of the trucker might stay home, but there will be enough
    scab truckers to keep the food flowing.

    Let them eat masks.

    Marie Antoinette was a little more realistic.

    https://www.britannica.com/story/did-marie-antoinette-really-say-l
    et-them-eat-cake

    John Larkin hasn't noticed that modern society is remarkably
    complicated, and all sorts of people could withdraw their labour
    and let the urban elites freeze and starve in the dark. The trade
    union movement depends on it. The people who pay all these
    essential people don't like trade unions, for fairly obvious
    reasons, and they are rather more influential in American than in
    more egalitarian countries (which is most of the rest of the
    advanced industrial world).

    The negotiations in the US are a trifle less well organised in
    consequence.


    Only people who seem to been freezing in the dark lately was in
    Texas and Virginia, probably not the "urban elites" Mr. Larkin is
    talking about.

    When I lived in a 7500 sq ft mansion in Great Falls, we were the
    ONLY house on a streeet full of doctors and Boeing VP execs, etc. who
    had lights during a power outage, because my boss had his generac put
    in when he upgraded the house from a 2600 sq ft same as the rest
    shack.

    The damned thing must have put out a weird power signature though,
    because despite being exactly 120 VAC and exactly 60 Hz, it still set
    off ALL of the UPS' in the house (about 7 of them) every time it ran
    and for the entire time it ran, which sucked in a major way for
    abvious reasons.

    We had to buy 17kVA worth of line conditioning transformers (3 of
    them)to place between the gen set and the house lines to stop it.
    They are very nice. Also nice and fucking heavy. It was not easy
    getting them off the delivery truck or into the garage where we set
    them up at. OMG not fun, but a very fruitful outcome as the UPS'
    were (are) all happy now.


    Received almost three feet of snow around here a couple weeks ago,
    the lights didn't even flicker. It wasn't always that way but I
    think they've been doing a better job maintaining the trees near
    the lines lately

    Great Falls is all underground fed so most of the outages were due
    to car accidents that ended up involving ground mounted transformer
    'pads'. The line quai=lity was exceptional though. After all, I was
    in the heart of several three letter agencies, and they need
    exceptionally clean power at all times possible.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Tom Gardner@21:1/5 to John Larkin on Fri Feb 11 22:45:18 2022
    On 11/02/22 20:18, John Larkin wrote:
    On Fri, 11 Feb 2022 13:45:17 -0500, bitrex <user@example.net> wrote:

    On 2/11/2022 8:15 AM, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
    On Fri, 11 Feb 2022 11:03:25 +0000, Tom Gardner
    <spamjunk@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:

    On 11/02/22 04:55, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
    On Thu, 10 Feb 2022 18:07:14 -0800 (PST), Dean Hoffman
    <deanh6929@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Thursday, February 10, 2022 at 7:30:49 PM UTC-6, gnuarm.del...@gmail.com wrote:
    I believe there are places that have said it is ok to run over protesters if they are blocking major highways. By corollary, it should be ok to blow up trucker's rigs if they are used to block roads and shut down cities. No?

    I never was very good at understanding legal stuff.

    --

    Rick C.

    - Get 1,000 miles of free Supercharging
    - Tesla referral code - https://ts.la/richard11209

    For a practical matter, there's a shortage of truckers but not of protesters.

    Another minor practical matter is that truckers keep us alive.

    When blocking roads, truckers (and others) kill people.

    The truckers should just stay home and let the urban elites freeze and
    starve in the dark.

    And pay their bills how - via America's excellent social welfare
    programs for people who don't wanna work?

    Let them eat masks.

    Om nom nom

    The truckers can ignore their bills for a few months. Can the
    urbanites ignore their hunger for a few months?

    Can the people being transported to hospitals in
    ambulances ignore being delayed by minutes?

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Sylvia Else@21:1/5 to Rick C on Sat Feb 12 10:18:11 2022
    On 12-Feb-22 4:56 am, Rick C wrote:
    On Friday, February 11, 2022 at 6:34:36 AM UTC-5, Sylvia Else wrote:
    On 11-Feb-22 12:30 pm, Rick C wrote:
    I believe there are places that have said it is ok to run over protesters if they are blocking major highways.
    I very much doubt that is the case.

    You have not kept up with your news. DeSantis made a bit of a splash some months ago when this bill was signed into law. It prevents civil liability in such a case. Criminal prosecution is always contingent on the willingness of prosecutors to
    pursue a given event. Consider the Arbery case where prosecution was deferred until the video leaked out.

    The law preventing civil liability in Florida has opened the door to extremely violent actions without consequence.


    There is a limitation on civil liability in respect of damages suffered
    by a person during a riot if they have been convicted of riot. That is
    hardly carte blanc for mowing down protesters on a highway.

    Sylvia.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno@decadenc@21:1/5 to Sylvia Else on Sat Feb 12 00:06:17 2022
    Sylvia Else <sylvia@email.invalid> wrote in news:j6o95lFmkogU1@mid.individual.net:

    On 12-Feb-22 4:56 am, Rick C wrote:
    On Friday, February 11, 2022 at 6:34:36 AM UTC-5, Sylvia Else
    wrote:
    On 11-Feb-22 12:30 pm, Rick C wrote:
    I believe there are places that have said it is ok to run over
    protesters if they are blocking major highways.
    I very much doubt that is the case.

    You have not kept up with your news. DeSantis made a bit of a
    splash some months ago when this bill was signed into law. It
    prevents civil liability in such a case. Criminal prosecution is
    always contingent on the willingness of prosecutors to pursue a
    given event. Consider the Arbery case where prosecution was
    deferred until the video leaked out.

    The law preventing civil liability in Florida has opened the door
    to extremely violent actions without consequence.


    There is a limitation on civil liability in respect of damages
    suffered by a person during a riot if they have been convicted of
    riot. That is hardly carte blanc for mowing down protesters on a
    highway.

    Sylvia.


    Maybe Canada could contract the US to come up there with a Jolly
    Green Giant Puff The Magic Dragon lead spray to rain down upon them.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Anthony William Sloman@21:1/5 to John Larkin on Fri Feb 11 19:09:18 2022
    On Saturday, February 12, 2022 at 8:18:28 AM UTC+11, John Larkin wrote:
    On Fri, 11 Feb 2022 12:18:39 -0800, John Larkin <jlarkin@highland_atwork_technology.com> wrote:
    On Fri, 11 Feb 2022 13:45:17 -0500, bitrex <us...@example.net> wrote:
    On 2/11/2022 8:15 AM, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
    On Fri, 11 Feb 2022 11:03:25 +0000, Tom Gardner <spam...@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:
    On 11/02/22 04:55, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
    On Thu, 10 Feb 2022 18:07:14 -0800 (PST), Dean Hoffman
    <dean...@gmail.com> wrote:
    On Thursday, February 10, 2022 at 7:30:49 PM UTC-6, gnuarm.del...@gmail.com wrote:

    Excellent rant:

    https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2022/02/11/nolte-truck-drivers-are-the-atlas-that-finally-shrugged/

    (but plasma TVs?)

    Breitbart? Excellent? John Larkin seems to be a Cursitor Doom level sucker for right-wing propaganda of the more moronic kind.

    "In fact, you could wipe society’s table clear of every writer, artist, actor, musician, professor, dancer, reporter, tastemaker, producer, influencer, teacher, lobbyist, politician, everyone on TV, everyone who doesn’t get their hands dirty, and our
    world would keep turning just fine."

    Some of those professors train the engineers who keep the more complicated parts of our world turning.

    John Nolte seems to be going in for very short term thinking here and it is probably over-generous to characterise it as thinking.
    He has produced the standard anti-elitist right-wing rant that sells well to twits like Cursitor Doom and John Larkin who don't know enough about the society that keeps them fed and entertained - and soak up the entertainment that is aimed at them with
    indiscriminate avidity.

    --
    Bill Sloman, Sydney

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From bitrex@21:1/5 to John Larkin on Fri Feb 11 23:50:34 2022
    On 2/11/22 15:18, John Larkin wrote:
    On Fri, 11 Feb 2022 13:45:17 -0500, bitrex <user@example.net> wrote:

    On 2/11/2022 8:15 AM, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
    On Fri, 11 Feb 2022 11:03:25 +0000, Tom Gardner
    <spamjunk@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:

    On 11/02/22 04:55, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
    On Thu, 10 Feb 2022 18:07:14 -0800 (PST), Dean Hoffman
    <deanh6929@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Thursday, February 10, 2022 at 7:30:49 PM UTC-6, gnuarm.del...@gmail.com wrote:
    I believe there are places that have said it is ok to run over protesters if they are blocking major highways. By corollary, it should be ok to blow up trucker's rigs if they are used to block roads and shut down cities. No?

    I never was very good at understanding legal stuff.

    --

    Rick C.

    - Get 1,000 miles of free Supercharging
    - Tesla referral code - https://ts.la/richard11209

    For a practical matter, there's a shortage of truckers but not of protesters.

    Another minor practical matter is that truckers keep us alive.

    When blocking roads, truckers (and others) kill people.

    The truckers should just stay home and let the urban elites freeze and
    starve in the dark.

    And pay their bills how - via America's excellent social welfare
    programs for people who don't wanna work?

    Let them eat masks.

    Om nom nom

    The truckers can ignore their bills for a few months. Can the
    urbanites ignore their hunger for a few months?

    Truckers don't have nearly the power in the US that they may have in
    Canada, or that they used to here in the 70s during the gas crisis, say.
    Four decades of de-regulation and anti-union activity on the part of
    government and employers respectively have seen to that.

    They could all ignore their bills, but why? If 20% stop trucking for a
    while it's just more money on the table for the rest and there's little downside to not taking it.

    It's hard enough getting organized labor on the same page about
    anything, much less the disorganized kind.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From bitrex@21:1/5 to Tom Gardner on Fri Feb 11 23:56:08 2022
    On 2/11/22 17:45, Tom Gardner wrote:
    On 11/02/22 20:18, John Larkin wrote:
    On Fri, 11 Feb 2022 13:45:17 -0500, bitrex <user@example.net> wrote:

    On 2/11/2022 8:15 AM, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
    On Fri, 11 Feb 2022 11:03:25 +0000, Tom Gardner
    <spamjunk@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:

    On 11/02/22 04:55, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
    On Thu, 10 Feb 2022 18:07:14 -0800 (PST), Dean Hoffman
    <deanh6929@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Thursday, February 10, 2022 at 7:30:49 PM UTC-6,
    gnuarm.del...@gmail.com wrote:
    I believe there are places that have said it is ok to run over >>>>>>>> protesters if they are blocking major highways. By corollary, it >>>>>>>> should be ok to blow up trucker's rigs if they are used to block >>>>>>>> roads and shut down cities. No?

    I never was very good at understanding legal stuff.

    --

    Rick C.

    - Get 1,000 miles of free Supercharging
    - Tesla referral code - https://ts.la/richard11209

             For a practical matter,  there's a shortage of truckers
    but not of protesters.

    Another minor practical matter is that truckers keep us alive.

    When blocking roads, truckers (and others) kill people.

    The truckers should just stay home and let the urban elites freeze and >>>> starve in the dark.

    And pay their bills how - via America's excellent social welfare
    programs for people who don't wanna work?

    Let them eat masks.

    Om nom nom

    The truckers can ignore their bills for a few months. Can the
    urbanites ignore their hunger for a few months?

    Can the people being transported to hospitals in
    ambulances ignore being delayed by minutes?

    If truckers had the power to starve anyone en masse in the US you'd
    think they would've used it to get themselves higher wages by now but
    that's not what happened, average adjusted-for-inflation wages have only
    gone down over the past 30 years.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Rick C@21:1/5 to Sylvia Else on Fri Feb 11 21:40:03 2022
    On Friday, February 11, 2022 at 6:18:25 PM UTC-5, Sylvia Else wrote:
    On 12-Feb-22 4:56 am, Rick C wrote:
    On Friday, February 11, 2022 at 6:34:36 AM UTC-5, Sylvia Else wrote:
    On 11-Feb-22 12:30 pm, Rick C wrote:
    I believe there are places that have said it is ok to run over protesters if they are blocking major highways.
    I very much doubt that is the case.

    You have not kept up with your news. DeSantis made a bit of a splash some months ago when this bill was signed into law. It prevents civil liability in such a case. Criminal prosecution is always contingent on the willingness of prosecutors to pursue
    a given event. Consider the Arbery case where prosecution was deferred until the video leaked out.

    The law preventing civil liability in Florida has opened the door to extremely violent actions without consequence.

    There is a limitation on civil liability in respect of damages suffered
    by a person during a riot if they have been convicted of riot. That is hardly carte blanc for mowing down protesters on a highway.

    I think you miss the point. It is a means of encouraging such behavior. Those who would even consider such and act *will* see this as indicating carte blanc.

    --

    Rick C.

    --+ Get 1,000 miles of free Supercharging
    --+ Tesla referral code - https://ts.la/richard11209

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From Rick C@21:1/5 to jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com on Fri Feb 11 22:33:06 2022
    On Friday, February 11, 2022 at 8:15:33 AM UTC-5, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
    On Fri, 11 Feb 2022 11:03:25 +0000, Tom Gardner
    <spam...@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:

    On 11/02/22 04:55, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
    On Thu, 10 Feb 2022 18:07:14 -0800 (PST), Dean Hoffman
    <dean...@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Thursday, February 10, 2022 at 7:30:49 PM UTC-6, gnuarm.del...@gmail.com wrote:
    I believe there are places that have said it is ok to run over protesters if they are blocking major highways. By corollary, it should be ok to blow up trucker's rigs if they are used to block roads and shut down cities. No?

    I never was very good at understanding legal stuff.

    --

    Rick C.

    - Get 1,000 miles of free Supercharging
    - Tesla referral code - https://ts.la/richard11209

    For a practical matter, there's a shortage of truckers but not of protesters.

    Another minor practical matter is that truckers keep us alive.

    When blocking roads, truckers (and others) kill people.
    The truckers should just stay home and let the urban elites freeze and
    starve in the dark.

    Let them eat masks.

    "Millions for defense, but not one cent for tribute", as said by a true patriot, Robert Goodloe Harper from Maryland!

    The US will never cave in to terrorists or extortionists.

    --

    Rick C.

    -+- Get 1,000 miles of free Supercharging
    -+- Tesla referral code - https://ts.la/richard11209

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  • From DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno@decadenc@21:1/5 to All on Sat Feb 12 07:01:30 2022
    Rick C <gnuarm.deletethisbit@gmail.com> wrote in news:cedb4a61-f1cb-40a1-9e1b-2a46372035d2n@googlegroups.com:

    snip

    "Millions for defense, but not one cent for tribute", as said by a
    true patriot, Robert Goodloe Harper from Maryland!

    The US will never cave in to terrorists or extortionists.


    Abiding by my oath, I stand against all enemies, foreign and
    domestic.

    The Trump Cult Crossed the line not only on 6 JAN 2020, but in every
    public jacking off at the mouth they do, they "are calling for a civil
    war". Let them come... they can be introduced to the business end of
    my 454 Cassul. No matter how big they are.

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  • From Anthony William Sloman@21:1/5 to gnuarm.del...@gmail.com on Fri Feb 11 23:51:35 2022
    On Saturday, February 12, 2022 at 5:33:14 PM UTC+11, gnuarm.del...@gmail.com wrote:
    On Friday, February 11, 2022 at 8:15:33 AM UTC-5, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
    On Fri, 11 Feb 2022 11:03:25 +0000, Tom Gardner <spam...@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:
    On 11/02/22 04:55, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
    On Thu, 10 Feb 2022 18:07:14 -0800 (PST), Dean Hoffman <dean...@gmail.com> wrote:
    On Thursday, February 10, 2022 at 7:30:49 PM UTC-6, gnuarm.del...@gmail.com wrote:

    <snip>

    For a practical matter, there's a shortage of truckers but not of protesters.

    Another minor practical matter is that truckers keep us alive.

    When blocking roads, truckers (and others) kill people.

    The truckers should just stay home and let the urban elites freeze and starve in the dark.

    Along with all the other people who prevent this from happening. Truckers aren't exactly unique. The people who produce the stuff they ship around are obviously equally vital, as are the people who distribute the largesse when it arrives

    Let them eat masks.

    "Millions for defense, but not one cent for tribute", as said by a true patriot, Robert Goodloe Harper from Maryland!

    The US will never cave in to terrorists or extortionists.

    Donald Trump seems to think it might.

    --
    Bill Sloman, Sydney

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  • From Sylvia Else@21:1/5 to Rick C on Sat Feb 12 21:03:31 2022
    On 12-Feb-22 4:40 pm, Rick C wrote:
    On Friday, February 11, 2022 at 6:18:25 PM UTC-5, Sylvia Else wrote:
    On 12-Feb-22 4:56 am, Rick C wrote:
    On Friday, February 11, 2022 at 6:34:36 AM UTC-5, Sylvia Else wrote:
    On 11-Feb-22 12:30 pm, Rick C wrote:
    I believe there are places that have said it is ok to run over protesters if they are blocking major highways.
    I very much doubt that is the case.

    You have not kept up with your news. DeSantis made a bit of a splash some months ago when this bill was signed into law. It prevents civil liability in such a case. Criminal prosecution is always contingent on the willingness of prosecutors to pursue
    a given event. Consider the Arbery case where prosecution was deferred until the video leaked out.

    The law preventing civil liability in Florida has opened the door to extremely violent actions without consequence.

    There is a limitation on civil liability in respect of damages suffered
    by a person during a riot if they have been convicted of riot. That is
    hardly carte blanc for mowing down protesters on a highway.

    I think you miss the point. It is a means of encouraging such behavior. Those who would even consider such and act *will* see this as indicating carte blanc.


    Then they'll find themselves in some considerable strife. The
    legislation does not so much as even suggest that it limits criminal
    liability.

    Sylvia.

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  • From Tom Gardner@21:1/5 to Anthony William Sloman on Sat Feb 12 10:33:32 2022
    On 12/02/22 03:09, Anthony William Sloman wrote:
    On Saturday, February 12, 2022 at 8:18:28 AM UTC+11, John Larkin wrote:
    On Fri, 11 Feb 2022 12:18:39 -0800, John Larkin
    <jlarkin@highland_atwork_technology.com> wrote:
    On Fri, 11 Feb 2022 13:45:17 -0500, bitrex <us...@example.net> wrote:
    On 2/11/2022 8:15 AM, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
    On Fri, 11 Feb 2022 11:03:25 +0000, Tom Gardner
    <spam...@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:
    On 11/02/22 04:55, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
    On Thu, 10 Feb 2022 18:07:14 -0800 (PST), Dean Hoffman
    <dean...@gmail.com> wrote:
    On Thursday, February 10, 2022 at 7:30:49 PM UTC-6,
    gnuarm.del...@gmail.com wrote:

    Excellent rant:

    https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2022/02/11/nolte-truck-drivers-are-the-atlas-that-finally-shrugged/



    (but plasma TVs?)

    Breitbart? Excellent? John Larkin seems to be a Cursitor Doom level sucker for right-wing propaganda of the more moronic kind.

    "In fact, you could wipe society’s table clear of every writer, artist, actor, musician, professor, dancer, reporter, tastemaker, producer, influencer, teacher, lobbyist, politician, everyone on TV, everyone who doesn’t get their hands dirty, and our world would keep turning just fine."

    Not /all/ authors, of course.

    Isaac Asimov wrote "The strain of anti-intellectualism has been
    a constant thread winding its way through our political and
    cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy means
    that my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge"

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  • From jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com@21:1/5 to bitrex on Sat Feb 12 06:14:46 2022
    On Fri, 11 Feb 2022 23:56:08 -0500, bitrex <user@example.net> wrote:

    On 2/11/22 17:45, Tom Gardner wrote:
    On 11/02/22 20:18, John Larkin wrote:
    On Fri, 11 Feb 2022 13:45:17 -0500, bitrex <user@example.net> wrote:

    On 2/11/2022 8:15 AM, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
    On Fri, 11 Feb 2022 11:03:25 +0000, Tom Gardner
    <spamjunk@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:

    On 11/02/22 04:55, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
    On Thu, 10 Feb 2022 18:07:14 -0800 (PST), Dean Hoffman
    <deanh6929@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Thursday, February 10, 2022 at 7:30:49 PM UTC-6,
    gnuarm.del...@gmail.com wrote:
    I believe there are places that have said it is ok to run over >>>>>>>>> protesters if they are blocking major highways. By corollary, it >>>>>>>>> should be ok to blow up trucker's rigs if they are used to block >>>>>>>>> roads and shut down cities. No?

    I never was very good at understanding legal stuff.

    --

    Rick C.

    - Get 1,000 miles of free Supercharging
    - Tesla referral code - https://ts.la/richard11209

    For a practical matter, there's a shortage of truckers >>>>>>>> but not of protesters.

    Another minor practical matter is that truckers keep us alive.

    When blocking roads, truckers (and others) kill people.

    The truckers should just stay home and let the urban elites freeze and >>>>> starve in the dark.

    And pay their bills how - via America's excellent social welfare
    programs for people who don't wanna work?

    Let them eat masks.

    Om nom nom

    The truckers can ignore their bills for a few months. Can the
    urbanites ignore their hunger for a few months?

    Can the people being transported to hospitals in
    ambulances ignore being delayed by minutes?

    If truckers had the power to starve anyone en masse in the US you'd
    think they would've used it to get themselves higher wages by now but
    that's not what happened, average adjusted-for-inflation wages have only
    gone down over the past 30 years.

    Open borders furnish cheap labor.



    --

    I yam what I yam - Popeye

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  • From jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com@21:1/5 to spamjunk@blueyonder.co.uk on Sat Feb 12 06:13:00 2022
    On Sat, 12 Feb 2022 10:33:32 +0000, Tom Gardner
    <spamjunk@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:

    On 12/02/22 03:09, Anthony William Sloman wrote:
    On Saturday, February 12, 2022 at 8:18:28 AM UTC+11, John Larkin wrote:
    On Fri, 11 Feb 2022 12:18:39 -0800, John Larkin
    <jlarkin@highland_atwork_technology.com> wrote:
    On Fri, 11 Feb 2022 13:45:17 -0500, bitrex <us...@example.net> wrote: >>>>> On 2/11/2022 8:15 AM, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
    On Fri, 11 Feb 2022 11:03:25 +0000, Tom Gardner
    <spam...@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:
    On 11/02/22 04:55, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
    On Thu, 10 Feb 2022 18:07:14 -0800 (PST), Dean Hoffman
    <dean...@gmail.com> wrote:
    On Thursday, February 10, 2022 at 7:30:49 PM UTC-6,
    gnuarm.del...@gmail.com wrote:

    Excellent rant:

    https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2022/02/11/nolte-truck-drivers-are-the-atlas-that-finally-shrugged/



    (but plasma TVs?)

    Breitbart? Excellent? John Larkin seems to be a Cursitor Doom level sucker >> for right-wing propaganda of the more moronic kind.

    "In fact, you could wipe societys table clear of every writer, artist,
    actor, musician, professor, dancer, reporter, tastemaker, producer,
    influencer, teacher, lobbyist, politician, everyone on TV, everyone who
    doesnt get their hands dirty, and our world would keep turning just fine."

    Not /all/ authors, of course.

    Isaac Asimov wrote "The strain of anti-intellectualism has been
    a constant thread winding its way through our political and
    cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy means
    that my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge"

    You would starve to death without a lot of "anti-intellectuals" to
    grow and ship your food. I suspect that Asimov would have too.

    Democracy means that people agree that they are not superior to
    everyone else; that people have differing opinions and different
    talents and common rights. Asimov states above that he is superior. He
    wrote corny juvenile fiction. He didn't feed anyone.



    --

    I yam what I yam - Popeye

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  • From Rick C@21:1/5 to Sylvia Else on Sat Feb 12 06:48:53 2022
    On Saturday, February 12, 2022 at 5:03:43 AM UTC-5, Sylvia Else wrote:
    On 12-Feb-22 4:40 pm, Rick C wrote:
    On Friday, February 11, 2022 at 6:18:25 PM UTC-5, Sylvia Else wrote:
    On 12-Feb-22 4:56 am, Rick C wrote:
    On Friday, February 11, 2022 at 6:34:36 AM UTC-5, Sylvia Else wrote: >>>> On 11-Feb-22 12:30 pm, Rick C wrote:
    I believe there are places that have said it is ok to run over protesters if they are blocking major highways.
    I very much doubt that is the case.

    You have not kept up with your news. DeSantis made a bit of a splash some months ago when this bill was signed into law. It prevents civil liability in such a case. Criminal prosecution is always contingent on the willingness of prosecutors to
    pursue a given event. Consider the Arbery case where prosecution was deferred until the video leaked out.

    The law preventing civil liability in Florida has opened the door to extremely violent actions without consequence.

    There is a limitation on civil liability in respect of damages suffered >> by a person during a riot if they have been convicted of riot. That is
    hardly carte blanc for mowing down protesters on a highway.

    I think you miss the point. It is a means of encouraging such behavior. Those who would even consider such and act *will* see this as indicating carte blanc.

    Then they'll find themselves in some considerable strife. The
    legislation does not so much as even suggest that it limits criminal liability.

    As has been shown in many other cases, to be at the discretion of the prosecution. Yup, you can't be convicted of a crime you are never charged with.

    --

    Rick C.

    -++ Get 1,000 miles of free Supercharging
    -++ Tesla referral code - https://ts.la/richard11209

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  • From Rick C@21:1/5 to jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com on Sat Feb 12 06:51:18 2022
    On Saturday, February 12, 2022 at 9:13:16 AM UTC-5, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
    On Sat, 12 Feb 2022 10:33:32 +0000, Tom Gardner
    <spam...@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:

    On 12/02/22 03:09, Anthony William Sloman wrote:
    On Saturday, February 12, 2022 at 8:18:28 AM UTC+11, John Larkin wrote: >>> On Fri, 11 Feb 2022 12:18:39 -0800, John Larkin
    <jlarkin@highland_atwork_technology.com> wrote:
    On Fri, 11 Feb 2022 13:45:17 -0500, bitrex <us...@example.net> wrote: >>>>> On 2/11/2022 8:15 AM, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
    On Fri, 11 Feb 2022 11:03:25 +0000, Tom Gardner
    <spam...@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:
    On 11/02/22 04:55, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
    On Thu, 10 Feb 2022 18:07:14 -0800 (PST), Dean Hoffman
    <dean...@gmail.com> wrote:
    On Thursday, February 10, 2022 at 7:30:49 PM UTC-6,
    gnuarm.del...@gmail.com wrote:

    Excellent rant:

    https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2022/02/11/nolte-truck-drivers-are-the-atlas-that-finally-shrugged/



    (but plasma TVs?)

    Breitbart? Excellent? John Larkin seems to be a Cursitor Doom level sucker
    for right-wing propaganda of the more moronic kind.

    "In fact, you could wipe society’s table clear of every writer, artist, >> actor, musician, professor, dancer, reporter, tastemaker, producer,
    influencer, teacher, lobbyist, politician, everyone on TV, everyone who >> doesn’t get their hands dirty, and our world would keep turning just fine."

    Not /all/ authors, of course.

    Isaac Asimov wrote "The strain of anti-intellectualism has been
    a constant thread winding its way through our political and
    cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy means
    that my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge"
    You would starve to death without a lot of "anti-intellectuals" to
    grow and ship your food. I suspect that Asimov would have too.

    Democracy means that people agree that they are not superior to
    everyone else; that people have differing opinions and different
    talents and common rights. Asimov states above that he is superior. He
    wrote corny juvenile fiction. He didn't feed anyone.

    So the truckers are anti-democracy?

    --

    Rick C.

    +-- Get 1,000 miles of free Supercharging
    +-- Tesla referral code - https://ts.la/richard11209

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  • From Tom Gardner@21:1/5 to jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com on Sat Feb 12 15:51:33 2022
    On 12/02/22 14:13, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
    On Sat, 12 Feb 2022 10:33:32 +0000, Tom Gardner
    <spamjunk@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:

    On 12/02/22 03:09, Anthony William Sloman wrote:
    On Saturday, February 12, 2022 at 8:18:28 AM UTC+11, John Larkin wrote: >>>> On Fri, 11 Feb 2022 12:18:39 -0800, John Larkin
    <jlarkin@highland_atwork_technology.com> wrote:
    On Fri, 11 Feb 2022 13:45:17 -0500, bitrex <us...@example.net> wrote: >>>>>> On 2/11/2022 8:15 AM, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
    On Fri, 11 Feb 2022 11:03:25 +0000, Tom Gardner
    <spam...@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:
    On 11/02/22 04:55, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
    On Thu, 10 Feb 2022 18:07:14 -0800 (PST), Dean Hoffman
    <dean...@gmail.com> wrote:
    On Thursday, February 10, 2022 at 7:30:49 PM UTC-6,
    gnuarm.del...@gmail.com wrote:

    Excellent rant:

    https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2022/02/11/nolte-truck-drivers-are-the-atlas-that-finally-shrugged/



    (but plasma TVs?)

    Breitbart? Excellent? John Larkin seems to be a Cursitor Doom level sucker >>> for right-wing propaganda of the more moronic kind.

    "In fact, you could wipe society’s table clear of every writer, artist, >>> actor, musician, professor, dancer, reporter, tastemaker, producer,
    influencer, teacher, lobbyist, politician, everyone on TV, everyone who
    doesn’t get their hands dirty, and our world would keep turning just fine."

    Not /all/ authors, of course.

    Isaac Asimov wrote "The strain of anti-intellectualism has been
    a constant thread winding its way through our political and
    cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy means
    that my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge"

    You would starve to death without a lot of "anti-intellectuals" to
    grow and ship your food. I suspect that Asimov would have too.

    Of course.

    And without intellectuals we didn't have any of the modern
    conveniences, e.g. warm houses and electricity.


    Democracy means that people agree that they are not superior to
    everyone else;

    No, it doesn't.

    Besides, we don't live in a democracy.


    that people have differing opinions and different
    talents and common rights. Asimov states above that he is superior.

    He was superior in some ways, and happy to proclaim it.
    But not all ways, and happy to proclaim that too.

    He, quite sensibly, railed about people exhibiting
    the Dunning-Kruger syndrome.

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  • From whit3rd@21:1/5 to jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com on Sat Feb 12 14:46:53 2022
    On Saturday, February 12, 2022 at 6:13:16 AM UTC-8, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
    On Sat, 12 Feb 2022 10:33:32 +0000, Tom Gardner
    <spam...@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:

    Isaac Asimov wrote "The strain of anti-intellectualism has been
    a constant thread winding its way through our political and
    cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy means
    that my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge"

    You would starve to death without a lot of "anti-intellectuals" to
    grow and ship your food. I suspect that Asimov would have too.

    'Anti-intellectuals' means a hate group, right? We can do just fine without any such groups. Growth and shipment of food is
    a decoy issue, inserted for the purpose of distraction.

    In the Nazi suppression in Poland, all government leaders, military officers, and intellectual leaders (clerics, professors, doctors...) were at peril; there's
    something on the order of 50,000 bodies under Katyn forest.
    Hate of a group, against 'intellectuals', is NOT harmless.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno@decadenc@21:1/5 to Tom Gardner on Sat Feb 12 22:28:57 2022
    Tom Gardner <spamjunk@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote in news:su8l25$igt$2 @dont-email.me:

    Besides, we don't live in a democracy.


    Yes, we do. HERE in the US at least.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From Anthony William Sloman@21:1/5 to jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com on Sat Feb 12 15:49:29 2022
    On Sunday, February 13, 2022 at 1:13:16 AM UTC+11, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
    On Sat, 12 Feb 2022 10:33:32 +0000, Tom Gardner<spam...@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:
    On 12/02/22 03:09, Anthony William Sloman wrote:
    On Saturday, February 12, 2022 at 8:18:28 AM UTC+11, John Larkin wrote: >>> On Fri, 11 Feb 2022 12:18:39 -0800, John Larkin <jlarkin@highland_atwork_technology.com> wrote:
    On Fri, 11 Feb 2022 13:45:17 -0500, bitrex <us...@example.net> wrote: >>>>> On 2/11/2022 8:15 AM, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
    On Fri, 11 Feb 2022 11:03:25 +0000, Tom Gardner <spam...@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:
    On 11/02/22 04:55, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
    On Thu, 10 Feb 2022 18:07:14 -0800 (PST), Dean Hoffman <dean...@gmail.com> wrote:
    On Thursday, February 10, 2022 at 7:30:49 PM UTC-6, > gnuarm.del...@gmail.com wrote:

    <snip>

    "In fact, you could wipe society’s table clear of every writer, artist, >> actor, musician, professor, dancer, reporter, tastemaker, producer,
    influencer, teacher, lobbyist, politician, everyone on TV, everyone who >> doesn’t get their hands dirty, and our world would keep turning just fine."

    Not /all/ authors, of course.

    Isaac Asimov wrote "The strain of anti-intellectualism has been
    a constant thread winding its way through our political and
    cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy means
    that my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge"
    You would starve to death without a lot of "anti-intellectuals" to
    grow and ship your food. I suspect that Asimov would have too.

    Democracy means that people agree that they are not superior to
    everyone else; that people have differing opinions and different
    talents and common rights. Asimov states above that he is superior. He
    wrote corny juvenile fiction. He didn't feed anyone.

    Asimov did get a Ph.D. in Chemistry. His fiction wasn't either corny or juvenile - it was highly regarded when he wrote it. He made a lot more money out of his popular science writing, which was excellent.

    He wasn't in the business of growing food. The people who are grow more food when they listen to chemists, but farmers do tend to be anti-intellectual.

    The Australian Commonwealth Scientific and Industrial Research Organisation (CSIRO) spent money with sociologists to work out how to get farmers to pay more attention to science-based advice, and the answer turned out to be to concentrate on the farmers
    who were more susceptible to the scientific advice. When they started making more money by growing more food, the other farmers paid attention to what they were doing.

    Being anti-intellectual isn't a virtue.

    --
    Bill Sloman, Sydney

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  • From Anthony William Sloman@21:1/5 to jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com on Sat Feb 12 15:57:50 2022
    On Sunday, February 13, 2022 at 1:15:01 AM UTC+11, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
    On Fri, 11 Feb 2022 23:56:08 -0500, bitrex <us...@example.net> wrote:
    On 2/11/22 17:45, Tom Gardner wrote:
    On 11/02/22 20:18, John Larkin wrote:
    On Fri, 11 Feb 2022 13:45:17 -0500, bitrex <us...@example.net> wrote: >>>> On 2/11/2022 8:15 AM, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
    On Fri, 11 Feb 2022 11:03:25 +0000, Tom Gardner <spam...@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:
    On 11/02/22 04:55, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
    On Thu, 10 Feb 2022 18:07:14 -0800 (PST), Dean Hoffman <dean...@gmail.com> wrote:
    On Thursday, February 10, 2022 at 7:30:49 PM UTC-6, gnuarm.del...@gmail.com wrote:

    <snip>

    If truckers had the power to starve anyone en masse in the US you'd
    think they would've used it to get themselves higher wages by now but >that's not what happened, average adjusted-for-inflation wages have only >gone down over the past 30 years.

    Open borders furnish cheap labor.

    So does union-busting. The US political system is more responsive to the wishes of the rich - capital - than it is to labour.

    Over the last forty years pretty much all the increases in the productivity of the US economy have ended up making the top 10% of the US income distribution richer. The remaining 90% have stayed pretty much where they were when Reagan came to power.
    Some groups within that 90% have gotten swapped around and it sounds as if the truckers haven't done well.

    --
    Bill Sloman, Sydney

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  • From bitrex@21:1/5 to John Larkin on Sun Feb 13 00:51:36 2022
    On 2/11/22 16:18, John Larkin wrote:
    On Fri, 11 Feb 2022 12:18:39 -0800, John Larkin <jlarkin@highland_atwork_technology.com> wrote:

    On Fri, 11 Feb 2022 13:45:17 -0500, bitrex <user@example.net> wrote:

    On 2/11/2022 8:15 AM, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
    On Fri, 11 Feb 2022 11:03:25 +0000, Tom Gardner
    <spamjunk@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:

    On 11/02/22 04:55, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
    On Thu, 10 Feb 2022 18:07:14 -0800 (PST), Dean Hoffman
    <deanh6929@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Thursday, February 10, 2022 at 7:30:49 PM UTC-6, gnuarm.del...@gmail.com wrote:
    I believe there are places that have said it is ok to run over protesters if they are blocking major highways. By corollary, it should be ok to blow up trucker's rigs if they are used to block roads and shut down cities. No?

    I never was very good at understanding legal stuff.

    --

    Rick C.

    - Get 1,000 miles of free Supercharging
    - Tesla referral code - https://ts.la/richard11209

    For a practical matter, there's a shortage of truckers but not of protesters.

    Another minor practical matter is that truckers keep us alive.

    When blocking roads, truckers (and others) kill people.

    The truckers should just stay home and let the urban elites freeze and >>>> starve in the dark.

    And pay their bills how - via America's excellent social welfare
    programs for people who don't wanna work?

    Let them eat masks.

    Om nom nom

    The truckers can ignore their bills for a few months. Can the
    urbanites ignore their hunger for a few months?

    Excellent rant:

    https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2022/02/11/nolte-truck-drivers-are-the-atlas-that-finally-shrugged/

    (but plasma TVs?)


    "Anyone familiar with my scribbling knows that I separate modern society
    into two categories: World Turners and The Useless."

    A famous German wrote a book on the same topic it was called "Mein
    Kampf" I wonder if the Breitbart editor has read it.

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  • From bitrex@21:1/5 to bitrex on Sun Feb 13 00:53:17 2022
    On 2/13/22 00:51, bitrex wrote:
    On 2/11/22 16:18, John Larkin wrote:
    On Fri, 11 Feb 2022 12:18:39 -0800, John Larkin
    <jlarkin@highland_atwork_technology.com> wrote:

    On Fri, 11 Feb 2022 13:45:17 -0500, bitrex <user@example.net> wrote:

    On 2/11/2022 8:15 AM, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
    On Fri, 11 Feb 2022 11:03:25 +0000, Tom Gardner
    <spamjunk@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:

    On 11/02/22 04:55, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
    On Thu, 10 Feb 2022 18:07:14 -0800 (PST), Dean Hoffman
    <deanh6929@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Thursday, February 10, 2022 at 7:30:49 PM UTC-6,
    gnuarm.del...@gmail.com wrote:
    I believe there are places that have said it is ok to run over >>>>>>>>> protesters if they are blocking major highways. By corollary, >>>>>>>>> it should be ok to blow up trucker's rigs if they are used to >>>>>>>>> block roads and shut down cities. No?

    I never was very good at understanding legal stuff.

    --

    Rick C.

    - Get 1,000 miles of free Supercharging
    - Tesla referral code - https://ts.la/richard11209

             For a practical matter,  there's a shortage of truckers
    but not of protesters.

    Another minor practical matter is that truckers keep us alive.

    When blocking roads, truckers (and others) kill people.

    The truckers should just stay home and let the urban elites freeze and >>>>> starve in the dark.

    And pay their bills how - via America's excellent social welfare
    programs for people who don't wanna work?

    Let them eat masks.

    Om nom nom

    The truckers can ignore their bills for a few months. Can the
    urbanites ignore their hunger for a few months?

    Excellent rant:

    https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2022/02/11/nolte-truck-drivers-are-the-atlas-that-finally-shrugged/


    (but plasma TVs?)


    "Anyone familiar with my scribbling knows that I separate modern society
    into two categories: World Turners and The Useless."

    A famous German wrote a book on the same topic it was called "Mein
    Kampf" I wonder if the Breitbart editor has read it.


    Correction, a famous Austrian painter, rather

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  • From bitrex@21:1/5 to Tom Gardner on Sun Feb 13 01:05:30 2022
    On 2/12/22 10:51, Tom Gardner wrote:
    On 12/02/22 14:13, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
    On Sat, 12 Feb 2022 10:33:32 +0000, Tom Gardner
    <spamjunk@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:

    On 12/02/22 03:09, Anthony William Sloman wrote:
    On Saturday, February 12, 2022 at 8:18:28 AM UTC+11, John Larkin wrote: >>>>> On Fri, 11 Feb 2022 12:18:39 -0800, John Larkin
    <jlarkin@highland_atwork_technology.com> wrote:
    On Fri, 11 Feb 2022 13:45:17 -0500, bitrex <us...@example.net> wrote: >>>>>>> On 2/11/2022 8:15 AM, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
    On Fri, 11 Feb 2022 11:03:25 +0000, Tom Gardner
    <spam...@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:
    On 11/02/22 04:55, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote: >>>>>>>>>> On Thu, 10 Feb 2022 18:07:14 -0800 (PST), Dean Hoffman
    <dean...@gmail.com> wrote:
    On Thursday, February 10, 2022 at 7:30:49 PM UTC-6,
    gnuarm.del...@gmail.com wrote:

    Excellent rant:

    https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2022/02/11/nolte-truck-drivers-are-the-atlas-that-finally-shrugged/




    (but plasma TVs?)

    Breitbart? Excellent?  John Larkin seems to be a Cursitor Doom level
    sucker
    for right-wing propaganda of the more moronic kind.

    "In fact, you could wipe society’s table clear of every writer, artist, >>>> actor, musician, professor, dancer, reporter, tastemaker, producer,
    influencer, teacher, lobbyist, politician, everyone on TV, everyone who >>>> doesn’t get their hands dirty, and our world would keep turning just >>>> fine."

    Not /all/ authors, of course.

    Isaac Asimov wrote "The strain of anti-intellectualism has been
    a constant thread winding its way through our political and
    cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy means
    that my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge"

    You would starve to death without a lot of "anti-intellectuals" to
    grow and ship your food. I suspect that Asimov would have too.

    Of course.

    And without intellectuals we didn't have any of the modern
    conveniences, e.g. warm houses and electricity.


    Democracy means that people agree that they are not superior to
    everyone else;

    No, it doesn't.

    Besides, we don't live in a democracy.


    that people have differing opinions and different
    talents and common rights. Asimov states above that he is superior.

    He was superior in some ways, and happy to proclaim it.
    But not all ways, and happy to proclaim that too.

    He, quite sensibly, railed about people exhibiting
    the Dunning-Kruger syndrome.

    "Anyone familiar with my scribbling knows that I separate modern society
    into two categories: World Turners and The Useless.

    Me? I’m no World Turner. I’m one of The Useless."

    And look how far being useless took him! All the way to an editor of
    Breitbart!

    Trump-ism: a con perpetuated by self-defined useless people. These guys
    must be chuckling all the way to the bank over how desperate many
    Americans are to have someone tell them the truth, no matter how stupid
    a truth it is

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  • From bitrex@21:1/5 to bitrex on Sun Feb 13 01:12:35 2022
    On 2/13/22 01:05, bitrex wrote:

    that people have differing opinions and different
    talents and common rights. Asimov states above that he is superior.

    He was superior in some ways, and happy to proclaim it.
    But not all ways, and happy to proclaim that too.

    He, quite sensibly, railed about people exhibiting
    the Dunning-Kruger syndrome.

    "Anyone familiar with my scribbling knows that I separate modern society
    into two categories: World Turners and The Useless.

    Me? I’m no World Turner. I’m one of The Useless."

    The type of useless person who'd no doubt still be very surprised the
    day one of the world-turners decided to simply take him at his word and
    bust a cap in his ass, wholly unimpressed with "grovelling to
    world-turners" as a viable job description.

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  • From Rick C@21:1/5 to Rick C on Sun Feb 13 12:59:03 2022
    On Thursday, February 10, 2022 at 8:30:49 PM UTC-5, Rick C wrote:
    I believe there are places that have said it is ok to run over protesters if they are blocking major highways. By corollary, it should be ok to blow up trucker's rigs if they are used to block roads and shut down cities. No?

    I never was very good at understanding legal stuff.

    Seems like the truckers blocking the bridge between the US and Canada has been cleared. I guess those truckers won't be carrying any goods for a while. Who knows what it will take to get their rigs back once they are out of jail.

    --

    Rick C.

    +-+ Get 1,000 miles of free Supercharging
    +-+ Tesla referral code - https://ts.la/richard11209

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  • From bitrex@21:1/5 to Rick C on Mon Feb 14 16:57:18 2022
    On 2/13/2022 3:59 PM, Rick C wrote:
    On Thursday, February 10, 2022 at 8:30:49 PM UTC-5, Rick C wrote:
    I believe there are places that have said it is ok to run over protesters if they are blocking major highways. By corollary, it should be ok to blow up trucker's rigs if they are used to block roads and shut down cities. No?

    I never was very good at understanding legal stuff.

    Seems like the truckers blocking the bridge between the US and Canada has been cleared. I guess those truckers won't be carrying any goods for a while. Who knows what it will take to get their rigs back once they are out of jail.



    More "peaceful protesters":

    <https://www.cnn.com/2022/02/14/americas/canada-truckers-protest-monday/index.html>

    Whatever legitimate driver's legitimate grievances may have been it all
    gets co-opted by militia nutters and generalized anti-government
    whackjobs, the type who's mission in life is to protest their inability
    to put a gun up the ass of anyone who isn't themem...

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  • From Dean Hoffman@21:1/5 to bitrex on Mon Feb 14 18:03:46 2022
    On Monday, February 14, 2022 at 3:57:28 PM UTC-6, bitrex wrote:
    On 2/13/2022 3:59 PM, Rick C wrote:
    On Thursday, February 10, 2022 at 8:30:49 PM UTC-5, Rick C wrote:
    I believe there are places that have said it is ok to run over protesters if they are blocking major highways. By corollary, it should be ok to blow up trucker's rigs if they are used to block roads and shut down cities. No?

    I never was very good at understanding legal stuff.

    Seems like the truckers blocking the bridge between the US and Canada has been cleared. I guess those truckers won't be carrying any goods for a while. Who knows what it will take to get their rigs back once they are out of jail.

    More "peaceful protesters":

    <https://www.cnn.com/2022/02/14/americas/canada-truckers-protest-monday/index.html>

    Whatever legitimate driver's legitimate grievances may have been it all
    gets co-opted by militia nutters and generalized anti-government
    whackjobs, the type who's mission in life is to protest their inability
    to put a gun up the ass of anyone who isn't themem...

    Trudeau invoked the Emergencies Act. <https://pjmedia.com/news-and-politics/paula-bolyard/2022/02/14/the-nuclear-option-trudeau-invokes-never-before-used-emergencies-act-to-crush-freedom-convoy-n1559158>

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  • From Sylvia Else@21:1/5 to Dean Hoffman on Tue Feb 15 13:49:03 2022
    On 15-Feb-22 1:03 pm, Dean Hoffman wrote:
    On Monday, February 14, 2022 at 3:57:28 PM UTC-6, bitrex wrote:
    On 2/13/2022 3:59 PM, Rick C wrote:
    On Thursday, February 10, 2022 at 8:30:49 PM UTC-5, Rick C wrote:
    I believe there are places that have said it is ok to run over protesters if they are blocking major highways. By corollary, it should be ok to blow up trucker's rigs if they are used to block roads and shut down cities. No?

    I never was very good at understanding legal stuff.

    Seems like the truckers blocking the bridge between the US and Canada has been cleared. I guess those truckers won't be carrying any goods for a while. Who knows what it will take to get their rigs back once they are out of jail.

    More "peaceful protesters":

    <https://www.cnn.com/2022/02/14/americas/canada-truckers-protest-monday/index.html>

    Whatever legitimate driver's legitimate grievances may have been it all
    gets co-opted by militia nutters and generalized anti-government
    whackjobs, the type who's mission in life is to protest their inability
    to put a gun up the ass of anyone who isn't themem...

    Trudeau invoked the Emergencies Act. <https://pjmedia.com/news-and-politics/paula-bolyard/2022/02/14/the-nuclear-option-trudeau-invokes-never-before-used-emergencies-act-to-crush-freedom-convoy-n1559158>

    I don't really see why that was necessary. If I park my car in a public
    road, blocking traffic, and refuse to move it, I would expect to be
    arrested, and see my car towed. It would not be a defence that I was
    protesting about something.

    Admittedly, I'm not in Canada, but I would think the law to be roughly
    the same there.

    Sylvia.

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  • From bitrex@21:1/5 to Dean Hoffman on Mon Feb 14 21:59:50 2022
    On 2/14/2022 9:03 PM, Dean Hoffman wrote:
    On Monday, February 14, 2022 at 3:57:28 PM UTC-6, bitrex wrote:
    On 2/13/2022 3:59 PM, Rick C wrote:
    On Thursday, February 10, 2022 at 8:30:49 PM UTC-5, Rick C wrote:
    I believe there are places that have said it is ok to run over protesters if they are blocking major highways. By corollary, it should be ok to blow up trucker's rigs if they are used to block roads and shut down cities. No?

    I never was very good at understanding legal stuff.

    Seems like the truckers blocking the bridge between the US and Canada has been cleared. I guess those truckers won't be carrying any goods for a while. Who knows what it will take to get their rigs back once they are out of jail.

    More "peaceful protesters":

    <https://www.cnn.com/2022/02/14/americas/canada-truckers-protest-monday/index.html>

    Whatever legitimate driver's legitimate grievances may have been it all
    gets co-opted by militia nutters and generalized anti-government
    whackjobs, the type who's mission in life is to protest their inability
    to put a gun up the ass of anyone who isn't themem...

    Trudeau invoked the Emergencies Act. <https://pjmedia.com/news-and-politics/paula-bolyard/2022/02/14/the-nuclear-option-trudeau-invokes-never-before-used-emergencies-act-to-crush-freedom-convoy-n1559158>


    Should be an educational experience as to whom law enforcement really
    respects more, civilian police-lovers, or the people who write their checks.

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  • From Dean Hoffman@21:1/5 to Sylvia Else on Mon Feb 14 19:00:27 2022
    On Monday, February 14, 2022 at 8:49:16 PM UTC-6, Sylvia Else wrote:
    On 15-Feb-22 1:03 pm, Dean Hoffman wrote:
    On Monday, February 14, 2022 at 3:57:28 PM UTC-6, bitrex wrote:
    On 2/13/2022 3:59 PM, Rick C wrote:
    On Thursday, February 10, 2022 at 8:30:49 PM UTC-5, Rick C wrote:
    I believe there are places that have said it is ok to run over protesters if they are blocking major highways. By corollary, it should be ok to blow up trucker's rigs if they are used to block roads and shut down cities. No?

    I never was very good at understanding legal stuff.

    Seems like the truckers blocking the bridge between the US and Canada has been cleared. I guess those truckers won't be carrying any goods for a while. Who knows what it will take to get their rigs back once they are out of jail.

    More "peaceful protesters":

    <https://www.cnn.com/2022/02/14/americas/canada-truckers-protest-monday/index.html>

    Whatever legitimate driver's legitimate grievances may have been it all
    gets co-opted by militia nutters and generalized anti-government
    whackjobs, the type who's mission in life is to protest their inability
    to put a gun up the ass of anyone who isn't themem...

    Trudeau invoked the Emergencies Act. <https://pjmedia.com/news-and-politics/paula-bolyard/2022/02/14/the-nuclear-option-trudeau-invokes-never-before-used-emergencies-act-to-crush-freedom-convoy-n1559158>
    I don't really see why that was necessary. If I park my car in a public
    road, blocking traffic, and refuse to move it, I would expect to be
    arrested, and see my car towed. It would not be a defence that I was protesting about something.

    Admittedly, I'm not in Canada, but I would think the law to be roughly
    the same there.

    Sylvia.

    I got the impression that Trudeau could unilaterally impose it without
    a vote of Canada's Parliament. That doesn't seem right for a free country.

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  • From Anthony William Sloman@21:1/5 to dean...@gmail.com on Mon Feb 14 19:14:35 2022
    On Tuesday, February 15, 2022 at 2:00:36 PM UTC+11, dean...@gmail.com wrote:
    On Monday, February 14, 2022 at 8:49:16 PM UTC-6, Sylvia Else wrote:
    On 15-Feb-22 1:03 pm, Dean Hoffman wrote:
    On Monday, February 14, 2022 at 3:57:28 PM UTC-6, bitrex wrote:
    On 2/13/2022 3:59 PM, Rick C wrote:
    On Thursday, February 10, 2022 at 8:30:49 PM UTC-5, Rick C wrote:

    <snip>

    I don't really see why that was necessary. If I park my car in a public road, blocking traffic, and refuse to move it, I would expect to be arrested, and see my car towed. It would not be a defence that I was protesting about something.

    Admittedly, I'm not in Canada, but I would think the law to be roughly
    the same there.

    I got the impression that Trudeau could unilaterally impose it without
    a vote of Canada's Parliament. That doesn't seem right for a free country.

    An emergency is something that comes up fast. An emergencies act is one that lets the government act fast, without wasting time on consulting people who can't actually help solve the problem. The actions will be assessed after the event. A free country
    wouldn't last long if it wasted time on unhelpful consultation before acting.

    --
    Bill Sloman, Sydney

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  • From bitrex@21:1/5 to Dean Hoffman on Mon Feb 14 22:18:47 2022
    On 2/14/2022 10:00 PM, Dean Hoffman wrote:
    On Monday, February 14, 2022 at 8:49:16 PM UTC-6, Sylvia Else wrote:
    On 15-Feb-22 1:03 pm, Dean Hoffman wrote:
    On Monday, February 14, 2022 at 3:57:28 PM UTC-6, bitrex wrote:
    On 2/13/2022 3:59 PM, Rick C wrote:
    On Thursday, February 10, 2022 at 8:30:49 PM UTC-5, Rick C wrote:
    I believe there are places that have said it is ok to run over protesters if they are blocking major highways. By corollary, it should be ok to blow up trucker's rigs if they are used to block roads and shut down cities. No?

    I never was very good at understanding legal stuff.

    Seems like the truckers blocking the bridge between the US and Canada has been cleared. I guess those truckers won't be carrying any goods for a while. Who knows what it will take to get their rigs back once they are out of jail.

    More "peaceful protesters":

    <https://www.cnn.com/2022/02/14/americas/canada-truckers-protest-monday/index.html>

    Whatever legitimate driver's legitimate grievances may have been it all >>>> gets co-opted by militia nutters and generalized anti-government
    whackjobs, the type who's mission in life is to protest their inability >>>> to put a gun up the ass of anyone who isn't themem...

    Trudeau invoked the Emergencies Act.
    <https://pjmedia.com/news-and-politics/paula-bolyard/2022/02/14/the-nuclear-option-trudeau-invokes-never-before-used-emergencies-act-to-crush-freedom-convoy-n1559158>
    I don't really see why that was necessary. If I park my car in a public
    road, blocking traffic, and refuse to move it, I would expect to be
    arrested, and see my car towed. It would not be a defence that I was
    protesting about something.

    Admittedly, I'm not in Canada, but I would think the law to be roughly
    the same there.

    Sylvia.

    I got the impression that Trudeau could unilaterally impose it without a vote of Canada's Parliament. That doesn't seem right for a free country.

    If it was a bunch of blacks in the US doing this they'd have called in
    the strike fighters by now...

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  • From bitrex@21:1/5 to Sylvia Else on Mon Feb 14 22:27:13 2022
    On 2/14/2022 9:49 PM, Sylvia Else wrote:
    On 15-Feb-22 1:03 pm, Dean Hoffman wrote:
    On Monday, February 14, 2022 at 3:57:28 PM UTC-6, bitrex wrote:
    On 2/13/2022 3:59 PM, Rick C wrote:
    On Thursday, February 10, 2022 at 8:30:49 PM UTC-5, Rick C wrote:
    I believe there are places that have said it is ok to run over
    protesters if they are blocking major highways. By corollary, it
    should be ok to blow up trucker's rigs if they are used to block
    roads and shut down cities. No?

    I never was very good at understanding legal stuff.

    Seems like the truckers blocking the bridge between the US and
    Canada has been cleared. I guess those truckers won't be carrying
    any goods for a while. Who knows what it will take to get their rigs
    back once they are out of jail.

    More "peaceful protesters":

    <https://www.cnn.com/2022/02/14/americas/canada-truckers-protest-monday/index.html>


    Whatever legitimate driver's legitimate grievances may have been it all
    gets co-opted by militia nutters and generalized anti-government
    whackjobs, the type who's mission in life is to protest their inability
    to put a gun up the ass of anyone who isn't themem...

          Trudeau invoked the Emergencies Act.
    <https://pjmedia.com/news-and-politics/paula-bolyard/2022/02/14/the-nuclear-option-trudeau-invokes-never-before-used-emergencies-act-to-crush-freedom-convoy-n1559158>


    I don't really see why that was necessary. If I park my car in a public
    road, blocking traffic, and refuse to move it, I would expect to be
    arrested, and see my car towed. It would not be a defence that I was protesting about something.

    Admittedly, I'm not in Canada, but I would think the law to be roughly
    the same there.

    Sylvia.

    It's also illegal to occupy a home and tell police to bug off when they
    demand you come out.

    But because I'm a true patriot interested in a fair and balanced
    representation of US history I tell children these are photos of
    Tienanmen Square:

    <http://www.westphillylocal.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/04/MOVEfire.jpg>

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  • From Sylvia Else@21:1/5 to Dean Hoffman on Tue Feb 15 14:53:55 2022
    On 15-Feb-22 2:00 pm, Dean Hoffman wrote:
    On Monday, February 14, 2022 at 8:49:16 PM UTC-6, Sylvia Else wrote:
    On 15-Feb-22 1:03 pm, Dean Hoffman wrote:
    On Monday, February 14, 2022 at 3:57:28 PM UTC-6, bitrex wrote:
    On 2/13/2022 3:59 PM, Rick C wrote:
    On Thursday, February 10, 2022 at 8:30:49 PM UTC-5, Rick C wrote:
    I believe there are places that have said it is ok to run over protesters if they are blocking major highways. By corollary, it should be ok to blow up trucker's rigs if they are used to block roads and shut down cities. No?

    I never was very good at understanding legal stuff.

    Seems like the truckers blocking the bridge between the US and Canada has been cleared. I guess those truckers won't be carrying any goods for a while. Who knows what it will take to get their rigs back once they are out of jail.

    More "peaceful protesters":

    <https://www.cnn.com/2022/02/14/americas/canada-truckers-protest-monday/index.html>

    Whatever legitimate driver's legitimate grievances may have been it all >>>> gets co-opted by militia nutters and generalized anti-government
    whackjobs, the type who's mission in life is to protest their inability >>>> to put a gun up the ass of anyone who isn't themem...

    Trudeau invoked the Emergencies Act.
    <https://pjmedia.com/news-and-politics/paula-bolyard/2022/02/14/the-nuclear-option-trudeau-invokes-never-before-used-emergencies-act-to-crush-freedom-convoy-n1559158>
    I don't really see why that was necessary. If I park my car in a public
    road, blocking traffic, and refuse to move it, I would expect to be
    arrested, and see my car towed. It would not be a defence that I was
    protesting about something.

    Admittedly, I'm not in Canada, but I would think the law to be roughly
    the same there.

    Sylvia.

    I got the impression that Trudeau could unilaterally impose it without a vote of Canada's Parliament. That doesn't seem right for a free country.

    Emergencies by their very nature require immediate action. Mind you,
    given how long this has gone on for already, one might question whether
    it can now qualify as an emergency.

    Anyway, it has to be laid before Parliament within seven days, and
    either house of Parliament can vote it down.

    Later on, if 10 members of the Senate, or 20 members of the House of
    Commons, sign a motion, there must be a debate on whether to revoke the emergency within 3 days.

    So there are significant protections in place to prevent abuse. More
    than we have for similar legislation in Australia, where the executive
    is forever trying to get more power and less scrutiny.

    Sylvia.

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  • From Dean Hoffman@21:1/5 to Sylvia Else on Tue Feb 15 04:18:52 2022
    On Monday, February 14, 2022 at 9:54:09 PM UTC-6, Sylvia Else wrote:
    On 15-Feb-22 2:00 pm, Dean Hoffman wrote:
    On Monday, February 14, 2022 at 8:49:16 PM UTC-6, Sylvia Else wrote:
    On 15-Feb-22 1:03 pm, Dean Hoffman wrote:
    On Monday, February 14, 2022 at 3:57:28 PM UTC-6, bitrex wrote:
    On 2/13/2022 3:59 PM, Rick C wrote:
    On Thursday, February 10, 2022 at 8:30:49 PM UTC-5, Rick C wrote: >>>>>> I believe there are places that have said it is ok to run over protesters if they are blocking major highways. By corollary, it should be ok to blow up trucker's rigs if they are used to block roads and shut down cities. No?

    I never was very good at understanding legal stuff.

    Seems like the truckers blocking the bridge between the US and Canada has been cleared. I guess those truckers won't be carrying any goods for a while. Who knows what it will take to get their rigs back once they are out of jail.

    More "peaceful protesters":

    <https://www.cnn.com/2022/02/14/americas/canada-truckers-protest-monday/index.html>

    Whatever legitimate driver's legitimate grievances may have been it all >>>> gets co-opted by militia nutters and generalized anti-government
    whackjobs, the type who's mission in life is to protest their inability >>>> to put a gun up the ass of anyone who isn't themem...

    Trudeau invoked the Emergencies Act.
    <https://pjmedia.com/news-and-politics/paula-bolyard/2022/02/14/the-nuclear-option-trudeau-invokes-never-before-used-emergencies-act-to-crush-freedom-convoy-n1559158>
    I don't really see why that was necessary. If I park my car in a public
    road, blocking traffic, and refuse to move it, I would expect to be
    arrested, and see my car towed. It would not be a defence that I was
    protesting about something.

    Admittedly, I'm not in Canada, but I would think the law to be roughly
    the same there.

    Sylvia.

    I got the impression that Trudeau could unilaterally impose it without
    a vote of Canada's Parliament. That doesn't seem right for a free country.
    Emergencies by their very nature require immediate action. Mind you,
    given how long this has gone on for already, one might question whether
    it can now qualify as an emergency.

    Anyway, it has to be laid before Parliament within seven days, and
    either house of Parliament can vote it down.

    Later on, if 10 members of the Senate, or 20 members of the House of
    Commons, sign a motion, there must be a debate on whether to revoke the emergency within 3 days.

    So there are significant protections in place to prevent abuse. More
    than we have for similar legislation in Australia, where the executive
    is forever trying to get more power and less scrutiny.

    Sylvia.

    I learned something again. Thank you.

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  • From amdx@21:1/5 to Rick C on Wed Feb 16 17:30:55 2022
    On 2/10/2022 7:30 PM, Rick C wrote:
    I believe there are places that have said it is ok to run over protesters if they are blocking major highways. By corollary, it should be ok to blow up trucker's rigs if they are used to block roads and shut down cities. No?

    I never was very good at understanding legal stuff.

     Maybe just  take over cities, burn buildings and exclude the police, instead something non-violent like block a highway.


    Seattle protesters take over city blocks to create police-free
    'autonomous zone.

     Links in case you forgot.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/national/activists-take-over-a-seattle-neighborhood-banishing-the-police/2020/06/11/7172e1e6-ac24-11ea-a9d9-a81c1a491c52_story.html
    https://www.npr.org/2020/06/12/876293196/protesters-in-seattle-take-over-6-block-area-announce-an-autonomous-zone
                                              Mikek




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  • From Rick C@21:1/5 to amdx on Wed Feb 16 20:04:26 2022
    On Wednesday, February 16, 2022 at 6:31:07 PM UTC-5, amdx wrote:
    On 2/10/2022 7:30 PM, Rick C wrote:
    I believe there are places that have said it is ok to run over protesters if they are blocking major highways. By corollary, it should be ok to blow up trucker's rigs if they are used to block roads and shut down cities. No?

    I never was very good at understanding legal stuff.

    Maybe just take over cities, burn buildings and exclude the police,
    instead something non-violent like block a highway.


    Seattle protesters take over city blocks to create police-free
    'autonomous zone.

    Links in case you forgot.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/national/activists-take-over-a-seattle-neighborhood-banishing-the-police/2020/06/11/7172e1e6-ac24-11ea-a9d9-a81c1a491c52_story.html
    https://www.npr.org/2020/06/12/876293196/protesters-in-seattle-take-over-6-block-area-announce-an-autonomous-zone

    So two wrongs make a right??? WTF are you talking about???

    "Non-violent" truckers blocking a major artery between two countries or bringing a major city center to a halt may fit the definition of "non-violent", but there's nothing harmless about such acts.

    How exactly are the Seattle protesters connected to the trucker protests? Do you really think that the actions in Seattle justify others illegal and harmful actions?

    Well, it's mostly settled now. Truckers were given tons of time to vent, then told to leave. Those remaining were hauled off to jail and their vehicles impounded. Not entirely unlike when a child sits in the floor and refuses to move. We all have to
    learn personal responsibility.

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  • From Sylvia Else@21:1/5 to Dean Hoffman on Sat Feb 26 11:20:57 2022
    On 15-Feb-22 11:18 pm, Dean Hoffman wrote:
    On Monday, February 14, 2022 at 9:54:09 PM UTC-6, Sylvia Else wrote:
    On 15-Feb-22 2:00 pm, Dean Hoffman wrote:
    On Monday, February 14, 2022 at 8:49:16 PM UTC-6, Sylvia Else wrote:
    On 15-Feb-22 1:03 pm, Dean Hoffman wrote:
    On Monday, February 14, 2022 at 3:57:28 PM UTC-6, bitrex wrote:
    On 2/13/2022 3:59 PM, Rick C wrote:
    On Thursday, February 10, 2022 at 8:30:49 PM UTC-5, Rick C wrote: >>>>>>>> I believe there are places that have said it is ok to run over protesters if they are blocking major highways. By corollary, it should be ok to blow up trucker's rigs if they are used to block roads and shut down cities. No?

    I never was very good at understanding legal stuff.

    Seems like the truckers blocking the bridge between the US and Canada has been cleared. I guess those truckers won't be carrying any goods for a while. Who knows what it will take to get their rigs back once they are out of jail.

    More "peaceful protesters":

    <https://www.cnn.com/2022/02/14/americas/canada-truckers-protest-monday/index.html>

    Whatever legitimate driver's legitimate grievances may have been it all >>>>>> gets co-opted by militia nutters and generalized anti-government
    whackjobs, the type who's mission in life is to protest their inability >>>>>> to put a gun up the ass of anyone who isn't themem...

    Trudeau invoked the Emergencies Act.
    <https://pjmedia.com/news-and-politics/paula-bolyard/2022/02/14/the-nuclear-option-trudeau-invokes-never-before-used-emergencies-act-to-crush-freedom-convoy-n1559158>
    I don't really see why that was necessary. If I park my car in a public >>>> road, blocking traffic, and refuse to move it, I would expect to be
    arrested, and see my car towed. It would not be a defence that I was
    protesting about something.

    Admittedly, I'm not in Canada, but I would think the law to be roughly >>>> the same there.

    Sylvia.

    I got the impression that Trudeau could unilaterally impose it without
    a vote of Canada's Parliament. That doesn't seem right for a free country. >> Emergencies by their very nature require immediate action. Mind you,
    given how long this has gone on for already, one might question whether
    it can now qualify as an emergency.

    Anyway, it has to be laid before Parliament within seven days, and
    either house of Parliament can vote it down.

    Later on, if 10 members of the Senate, or 20 members of the House of
    Commons, sign a motion, there must be a debate on whether to revoke the
    emergency within 3 days.

    So there are significant protections in place to prevent abuse. More
    than we have for similar legislation in Australia, where the executive
    is forever trying to get more power and less scrutiny.

    Sylvia.

    I learned something again. Thank you.

    Of possible interest to you...

    There is litigation regarding the use of emergency powers. It is
    continuing even though the emergency powers have been rescinded.

    https://theccf.ca/legal-challenge-emergencies-act/

    Of course, this can be a twin edged sword. If the court says it won't second-guess executive decisions, then future governments will be
    emboldened in their use of the power.

    Sylvia.

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  • From Flyguy@21:1/5 to gnuarm.del...@gmail.com on Wed Mar 2 21:54:25 2022
    On Thursday, February 10, 2022 at 5:30:49 PM UTC-8, gnuarm.del...@gmail.com wrote:
    I believe there are places that have said it is ok to run over protesters if they are blocking major highways. By corollary, it should be ok to blow up trucker's rigs if they are used to block roads and shut down cities. No?

    I never was very good at understanding legal stuff.

    --

    Rick C.

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    Hey Ricky, if that were TRUE you would PRODUCE IT, but you DON'T! So it is just more of your BULLSHIT.

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  • From John Doe@21:1/5 to Flyguy on Fri Mar 4 02:04:13 2022
    Flyguy <soar2morrow@yahoo.com> wrote:

    gnuarm.del...@gmail.com wrote:

    I believe there are places that have said it is ok to run over
    protesters if they are blocking major highways. By corollary, it should
    be ok to blow up trucker's rigs if they are used to block roads and
    shut down cities. No?

    <snipped the usual spam>

    Hey Ricky, if that were TRUE you would PRODUCE IT, but you DON'T! So it
    is just more of your BULLSHIT.

    But of course that law just enables the basic human right of self-defense, allowing drivers to escape when they are being attacked by mobs that are blocking the road. Cannibal leftists want to outlaw self-defense, for
    obvious reasons, like to satisfy their creepy need to hurt people.

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  • From Anthony William Sloman@21:1/5 to John Doe on Thu Mar 3 19:08:56 2022
    On Friday, March 4, 2022 at 1:04:26 PM UTC+11, John Doe wrote:
    Flyguy <soar2...@yahoo.com> wrote:

    gnuarm.del...@gmail.com wrote:

    I believe there are places that have said it is ok to run over
    protesters if they are blocking major highways. By corollary, it should
    be ok to blow up trucker's rigs if they are used to block roads and
    shut down cities. No?
    <snipped the usual spam>

    Hey Ricky, if that were TRUE you would PRODUCE IT, but you DON'T! So it
    is just more of your BULLSHIT.

    But of course that law just enables the basic human right of self-defense, allowing drivers to escape when they are being attacked by mobs that are blocking the road.

    "Blocking the road" may be assault, in that it makes the drivers feel threatened, but it's not battery, against which the drivers would be entitled to mount a physical defense.

    Cannibal leftists want to outlaw self-defense, for obvious reasons, like to satisfy their creepy need to hurt people.

    "Cannibal leftists" don't actually exist - except in John Doe's fevered imagination - so, as usual, his claims about what they might want to do if they did exist tell us quite a bit about his psychotic fantasies, and nothing at all about the real world.

    --
    Bill Sloman, Sydney

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  • From John Doe@21:1/5 to All on Fri Mar 4 07:53:37 2022
    Bozo is the definition of the cannibal leftist.

    Bozo Bill Sloman is an attention-craving chronic liar who cannot be
    reasoned with...

    "the Mueller investigation was about Trump only because Trump made it so"
    (Bozo paraphrased)

    "the concepts "male" and "female" are essentially social constructions"
    (Bill Sloman)

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  • From Flyguy@21:1/5 to bill....@ieee.org on Sat Mar 5 22:57:08 2022
    On Thursday, March 3, 2022 at 7:09:04 PM UTC-8, bill....@ieee.org wrote:
    On Friday, March 4, 2022 at 1:04:26 PM UTC+11, John Doe wrote:
    Flyguy <soar2...@yahoo.com> wrote:

    gnuarm.del...@gmail.com wrote:

    I believe there are places that have said it is ok to run over
    protesters if they are blocking major highways. By corollary, it should >> be ok to blow up trucker's rigs if they are used to block roads and
    shut down cities. No?
    <snipped the usual spam>

    Hey Ricky, if that were TRUE you would PRODUCE IT, but you DON'T! So it is just more of your BULLSHIT.

    But of course that law just enables the basic human right of self-defense, allowing drivers to escape when they are being attacked by mobs that are blocking the road.
    "Blocking the road" may be assault, in that it makes the drivers feel threatened, but it's not battery, against which the drivers would be entitled to mount a physical defense.
    Cannibal leftists want to outlaw self-defense, for obvious reasons, like to satisfy their creepy need to hurt people.
    "Cannibal leftists" don't actually exist - except in John Doe's fevered imagination - so, as usual, his claims about what they might want to do if they did exist tell us quite a bit about his psychotic fantasies, and nothing at all about the real world.

    --
    Bill Sloman, Sydney

    The rhetorical "cannibal leftists" DO exist: they demand TOTAL COMPLAINCE, deviate in ANY WAY and you will be cancelled (or maybe just reprimanded as in the case of Caryn Elaine Johnson, aka Whoopi).

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  • From Anthony William Sloman@21:1/5 to Flyguy on Sun Mar 6 06:51:42 2022
    On Sunday, March 6, 2022 at 5:57:16 PM UTC+11, Flyguy wrote:
    On Thursday, March 3, 2022 at 7:09:04 PM UTC-8, bill....@ieee.org wrote:
    On Friday, March 4, 2022 at 1:04:26 PM UTC+11, John Doe wrote:
    Flyguy <soar2...@yahoo.com> wrote:
    gnuarm.del...@gmail.com wrote:

    "Cannibal leftists" don't actually exist - except in John Doe's fevered imagination - so, as usual, his claims about what they might want to do if they did exist tell us quite a bit about his psychotic fantasies, and nothing at all about the real
    world.

    The rhetorical "cannibal leftists" DO exist: they demand TOTAL COMPLAINCE, deviate in ANY WAY and you will be cancelled (or maybe just reprimanded as in the case of Caryn Elaine Johnson, aka Whoopi).

    Flyguy thinks that Whoopi Goldberg is a cannibal leftist?

    This is serious dementia. He needs to get himself admitted to the nearest psychiatric hospital as a matter of urgency. Unless - of course - that's where he is posting from, which seems very likely.

    Quite why he thinks that a rhetorical cannibal leftist would be any different from the regular - if utterly concocted - cannibal leftists that John Doe witters on about escapes me. The phrase is clearly being used for rhetorical effect, but the effect
    of spouting nonsense is to make you look stupid.

    Neither you nor John Doe seems to mind looking stupid, and you certainly don't shrink from giving that impression, but I doubt if you realise quite how stupid you actually look.

    --
    Bill Sloman, Sydney

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  • From Flyguy@21:1/5 to bill....@ieee.org on Sun Mar 6 21:40:04 2022
    On Sunday, March 6, 2022 at 6:51:49 AM UTC-8, bill....@ieee.org wrote:
    On Sunday, March 6, 2022 at 5:57:16 PM UTC+11, Flyguy wrote:
    On Thursday, March 3, 2022 at 7:09:04 PM UTC-8, bill....@ieee.org wrote:
    On Friday, March 4, 2022 at 1:04:26 PM UTC+11, John Doe wrote:
    Flyguy <soar2...@yahoo.com> wrote:
    gnuarm.del...@gmail.com wrote:

    "Cannibal leftists" don't actually exist - except in John Doe's fevered imagination - so, as usual, his claims about what they might want to do if they did exist tell us quite a bit about his psychotic fantasies, and nothing at all about the real
    world.

    The rhetorical "cannibal leftists" DO exist: they demand TOTAL COMPLAINCE, deviate in ANY WAY and you will be cancelled (or maybe just reprimanded as in the case of Caryn Elaine Johnson, aka Whoopi).
    Flyguy thinks that Whoopi Goldberg is a cannibal leftist?

    This is serious dementia. He needs to get himself admitted to the nearest psychiatric hospital as a matter of urgency. Unless - of course - that's where he is posting from, which seems very likely.

    Quite why he thinks that a rhetorical cannibal leftist would be any different from the regular - if utterly concocted - cannibal leftists that John Doe witters on about escapes me. The phrase is clearly being used for rhetorical effect, but the effect
    of spouting nonsense is to make you look stupid.

    Neither you nor John Doe seems to mind looking stupid, and you certainly don't shrink from giving that impression, but I doubt if you realise quite how stupid you actually look.

    --
    SNIPPERMAN, Sydney

    LOL!!!! SNIPPERMAN can't read simple English!!!!! That, of course, IS NOT what I wrote. I suggest that you REREAD it as many times as necessary (10-20 min), and report back.

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  • From Anthony William Sloman@21:1/5 to Flyguy on Sun Mar 6 23:44:20 2022
    On Monday, March 7, 2022 at 4:40:11 PM UTC+11, Flyguy wrote:
    On Sunday, March 6, 2022 at 6:51:49 AM UTC-8, bill....@ieee.org wrote:
    On Sunday, March 6, 2022 at 5:57:16 PM UTC+11, Flyguy wrote:
    On Thursday, March 3, 2022 at 7:09:04 PM UTC-8, bill....@ieee.org wrote:
    On Friday, March 4, 2022 at 1:04:26 PM UTC+11, John Doe wrote:
    Flyguy <soar2...@yahoo.com> wrote:
    gnuarm.del...@gmail.com wrote:

    "Cannibal leftists" don't actually exist - except in John Doe's fevered imagination - so, as usual, his claims about what they might want to do if they did exist tell us quite a bit about his psychotic fantasies, and nothing at all about the real
    world.

    The rhetorical "cannibal leftists" DO exist: they demand TOTAL COMPLAINCE, deviate in ANY WAY and you will be cancelled (or maybe just reprimanded as in the case of Caryn Elaine Johnson, aka Whoopi).

    Flyguy thinks that Whoopi Goldberg is a cannibal leftist?

    This is serious dementia. He needs to get himself admitted to the nearest psychiatric hospital as a matter of urgency. Unless - of course - that's where he is posting from, which seems very likely.

    Quite why he thinks that a rhetorical cannibal leftist would be any different from the regular - if utterly concocted - cannibal leftists that John Doe witters on about escapes me. The phrase is clearly being used for rhetorical effect, but the
    effect of spouting nonsense is to make you look stupid.

    Neither you nor John Doe seems to mind looking stupid, and you certainly don't shrink from giving that impression, but I doubt if you realise quite how stupid you actually look.

    LOL!!!! Sloman can't read simple English!!!!! That, of course, IS NOT what I wrote.

    It isn't what Flyguy thinks he wrote. It is implied by what he wrote, even if his reading comprehension isn't up to detecting implication.

    If he starts off about "cannibal leftists" demanding total compliance - presumably of other "cannibal leftists" - and then cites Whoopi Goldberg as an example of somebody who wasn't compliant enough, he is implying that she is a "cannibal leftist".

    I suggest that you REREAD it as many times as necessary (10-20 min), and report back.

    If you can manage reading comprehension, which Flyguy clearly can't it, doesn't take all that long.

    --
    Bill Sloman, Sydney

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  • From Rick C@21:1/5 to All on Mon Mar 7 02:04:22 2022
    The truckers have made their way to Washington. They seem to be circling the beltway at the moment. Well, not at THIS moment. I think they are all still asleep. I've read their intent is to clog traffic on the beltway to get the attention of the
    governments. I'm not sure how pissing off people trying to get to work is going to help their cause, unless they really believe there's no such thing as bad publicity.

    We kept going to work during the beltway sniper incident. How many people did they kill? I forget. We aren't afraid of no convoy.

    Yeah, given the lowering of Covid mandates, I think these guys are going to sputter out shortly. What if you give a convoy protest and nobody comes?

    --

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  • From whit3rd@21:1/5 to gnuarm.del...@gmail.com on Mon Mar 7 13:25:32 2022
    On Monday, March 7, 2022 at 2:04:29 AM UTC-8, gnuarm.del...@gmail.com wrote:
    The truckers have made their way to Washington. They seem to be circling the beltway at the moment. Well, not at THIS moment. I think they are all still asleep. I've read their intent is to clog traffic on the beltway to get the attention of the
    governments. I'm not sure how pissing off people trying to get to work is going to help their cause, unless they really believe there's no such thing as bad publicity.


    The truckers, though, have a valid point: travel restrictions made sense when there were few hotspots
    and lots of no-covid-here acres. Now, however, there's (in the US) covid broadly spread everywhere.
    So, internal travel restrictions this month are a nuisance, but not really greatly effective. For a trucker,
    it's galling to see the cosmetic political message "we're taking COVID seriously" being
    implemented as a travel ban. A travel ban is officious and strict, and... currently a
    theatric response and only slightly an effective countermeasure.

    A theatric challenge to a theatric policy is ... oddly appropriate.

    Mexico-border restriction from the Trump years is rather ignoring the fact that Mexico doesn't
    have more COVID than the US; why are we still treating that dotted line on the map as though
    it were a COVID-prevention wall? What's the vaccination situation like in Mexico, maybe they
    should close the US border for protection?

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  • From Rick C@21:1/5 to All on Mon Mar 7 14:28:11 2022
    On Monday, March 7, 2022 at 4:25:40 PM UTC-5, whit3rd wrote:
    On Monday, March 7, 2022 at 2:04:29 AM UTC-8, gnuarm.del...@gmail.com wrote:
    The truckers have made their way to Washington. They seem to be circling the beltway at the moment. Well, not at THIS moment. I think they are all still asleep. I've read their intent is to clog traffic on the beltway to get the attention of the
    governments. I'm not sure how pissing off people trying to get to work is going to help their cause, unless they really believe there's no such thing as bad publicity.
    The truckers, though, have a valid point: travel restrictions made sense when there were few hotspots
    and lots of no-covid-here acres. Now, however, there's (in the US) covid broadly spread everywhere.
    So, internal travel restrictions this month are a nuisance, but not really greatly effective. For a trucker,
    it's galling to see the cosmetic political message "we're taking COVID seriously" being
    implemented as a travel ban. A travel ban is officious and strict, and... currently a
    theatric response and only slightly an effective countermeasure.

    A theatric challenge to a theatric policy is ... oddly appropriate.

    Mexico-border restriction from the Trump years is rather ignoring the fact that Mexico doesn't
    have more COVID than the US; why are we still treating that dotted line on the map as though
    it were a COVID-prevention wall? What's the vaccination situation like in Mexico, maybe they
    should close the US border for protection?

    Maybe I missed something. Is this what you are talking about?

    "Beginning on January 22, 2022, DHS will require non-U.S. individuals seeking to enter the United States via land ports of entry and ferry terminals at the U.S.-Mexico and U.S.-Canada borders to be fully vaccinated for COVID-19 and provide related proof
    of vaccination, as COVID-19 cases continue to rise."

    What's wrong with requiring vaccinations for travelers? That is a far cry from "closed borders".

    Here's what I found about the protesters.

    "The average American worker needs to be able to end-run the economic hardships of the last two years, and get back to the business of making bread,"

    "lifting all mandates and ending the state of emergency"

    I didn't know we had a state of emergency. The only state of emergency was when Canada responded to the truckers shutting down a city. I certainly do not respect the idea of lifting requirements for vaccinations and wearing masks. The CDC has never
    said it is not medically useful to wear masks. They have acknowledged that people are tired and frustrated with this pandemic and lifting of wearing masks will not have as great an impact as previously because of the lower infection prevalence. However,
    the US is still seeing over 1,000 deaths a day. At any time a new strain can cause the infection rates and death rates to rise again.

    Yeah, we may be stuck with Covid for a long time. That doesn't mean we should stop fighting it, lie down and let it walk over us.

    --

    Rick C.

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  • From John Doe@21:1/5 to All on Tue Mar 8 02:29:32 2022
    Bozo Bill Sloman is an attention-craving chronic liar who cannot be
    reasoned with...

    "the Mueller investigation was about Trump only because Trump made it so"
    (Bozo paraphrased)

    "the concepts "male" and "female" are essentially social constructions"
    (Bill Sloman)

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