• Bad guy with a knife vs. two good guys with guns

    From Rick C@21:1/5 to All on Mon Jan 31 08:29:02 2022
    Result, one dead good guy with a gun.

    https://katu.com/news/local/deputy-shoots-kills-off-duty-vancouver-pd-officer-who-fought-robbery-suspect-at-his-home

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  • From Ralph Mowery@21:1/5 to All on Mon Jan 31 11:58:24 2022
    In article <5b90b107-4512-4339-8516-2b6352d42fafn@googlegroups.com>, gnuarm.deletethisbit@gmail.com says...

    Result, one dead good guy with a gun.

    https://katu.com/news/local/deputy-shoots-kills-off-duty-vancouver-pd-officer-who-fought-robbery-suspect-at-his-home



    Really bad when one cop shoots another cop.

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  • From Rick C@21:1/5 to Ralph Mowery on Mon Jan 31 09:50:40 2022
    On Monday, January 31, 2022 at 11:58:35 AM UTC-5, Ralph Mowery wrote:
    In article <5b90b107-4512-4339...@googlegroups.com>,
    gnuarm.del...@gmail.com says...

    Result, one dead good guy with a gun.

    https://katu.com/news/local/deputy-shoots-kills-off-duty-vancouver-pd-officer-who-fought-robbery-suspect-at-his-home


    Really bad when one cop shoots another cop.

    Same thing happened in PG county around Washington a few decades back. A DC cop found his home broken into and called 911, pulled his gun and entered the house. A few minutes later two PG county cops pull up, see a gun in the house with a gun and shoot
    and kill him. It was the DC cop.

    Just as bad, a PG county cop came home to his apartment to find the door was not locked. He pulls his gun and when he finds someone in the kitchen he shoots and kills him. It was the janitor changing the air filters.

    Good guys with guns aren't always so good either.

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  • From Flyguy@21:1/5 to gnuarm.del...@gmail.com on Mon Jan 31 14:44:05 2022
    On Monday, January 31, 2022 at 9:50:44 AM UTC-8, gnuarm.del...@gmail.com wrote:
    On Monday, January 31, 2022 at 11:58:35 AM UTC-5, Ralph Mowery wrote:
    In article <5b90b107-4512-4339...@googlegroups.com>, gnuarm.del...@gmail.com says...

    Result, one dead good guy with a gun.

    https://katu.com/news/local/deputy-shoots-kills-off-duty-vancouver-pd-officer-who-fought-robbery-suspect-at-his-home


    Really bad when one cop shoots another cop.
    Same thing happened in PG county around Washington a few decades back. A DC cop found his home broken into and called 911, pulled his gun and entered the house. A few minutes later two PG county cops pull up, see a gun in the house with a gun and shoot
    and kill him. It was the DC cop.

    Just as bad, a PG county cop came home to his apartment to find the door was not locked. He pulls his gun and when he finds someone in the kitchen he shoots and kills him. It was the janitor changing the air filters.

    Good guys with guns aren't always so good either.

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    Rick C.

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    I expect the widow to file a wrongful death lawsuit against Clark County. The deputy committed several mistakes:
    1. They were informed that the homeowner was armed, but shot an armed man anyhow.
    2. First rule of using deadly force: identify your target, the deputy did not do this.
    3. There was no one who's life was in danger, so the shooting was unjustified.

    If you are ever in this situation do not try to make an arrest yourself because the police won't know who you are when they arrive. Go to a defensible area with everyone in the house, such as a bedroom, and await for the police to arrive. Let them make
    the arrest. This guy went into the cop mode, not appreciating the danger that put him into.

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  • From Phil Allison@21:1/5 to Fuckwit on Mon Jan 31 16:10:13 2022
    Flyguy = Fuckwit wrote:
    ====================
    I expect the widow to file a wrongful death lawsuit against Clark County. The deputy committed several mistakes:

    1. They were informed that the homeowner was armed, but shot an armed man anyhow.

    ** But you have no idea why.

    2. First rule of using deadly force: identify your target, the deputy did not do this.

    ** There is no such rule.

    You shoot to protect yourself or others when facing an imminent lethal threat.
    Asking for ID would be absurd.


    3. There was no one who's life was in danger, so the shooting was unjustified.

    ** Hindsight is always 20:20 vision and 100% irrelevant !!!

    Like you.


    ...... Phil

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  • From Rick C@21:1/5 to Flyguy on Mon Jan 31 17:04:47 2022
    On Monday, January 31, 2022 at 5:44:09 PM UTC-5, Flyguy wrote:
    On Monday, January 31, 2022 at 9:50:44 AM UTC-8, gnuarm.del...@gmail.com wrote:
    On Monday, January 31, 2022 at 11:58:35 AM UTC-5, Ralph Mowery wrote:
    In article <5b90b107-4512-4339...@googlegroups.com>, gnuarm.del...@gmail.com says...

    Result, one dead good guy with a gun.

    https://katu.com/news/local/deputy-shoots-kills-off-duty-vancouver-pd-officer-who-fought-robbery-suspect-at-his-home


    Really bad when one cop shoots another cop.
    Same thing happened in PG county around Washington a few decades back. A DC cop found his home broken into and called 911, pulled his gun and entered the house. A few minutes later two PG county cops pull up, see a gun in the house with a gun and
    shoot and kill him. It was the DC cop.

    Just as bad, a PG county cop came home to his apartment to find the door was not locked. He pulls his gun and when he finds someone in the kitchen he shoots and kills him. It was the janitor changing the air filters.

    Good guys with guns aren't always so good either.

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    Rick C.

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    I expect the widow to file a wrongful death lawsuit against Clark County. The deputy committed several mistakes:
    1. They were informed that the homeowner was armed, but shot an armed man anyhow.
    2. First rule of using deadly force: identify your target, the deputy did not do this.
    3. There was no one who's life was in danger, so the shooting was unjustified.

    If you are ever in this situation do not try to make an arrest yourself because the police won't know who you are when they arrive. Go to a defensible area with everyone in the house, such as a bedroom, and await for the police to arrive. Let them make
    the arrest. This guy went into the cop mode, not appreciating the danger that put him into.

    You mean the cop went into cop mode? Yeah, I believe they are trained to do that.

    The take away from this is that having a gun for protection is not the magic bullet people think it is. It is just as likely to get you or someone else in your home killed. More likely actually. This is an example.

    Who was that guy who argued about gun issues because he was highly trained and had a carry permit and based his arguments on the idea that everyone with a gun was like him. That would be fine, were it so. But you can't even be safe from Deputy Barney
    Fife and the one bullet he carried in his pocket.

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  • From Flyguy@21:1/5 to palli...@gmail.com on Mon Jan 31 20:20:02 2022
    On Monday, January 31, 2022 at 4:10:18 PM UTC-8, palli...@gmail.com wrote:
    Flyguy = Fuckwit wrote:
    ====================
    I expect the widow to file a wrongful death lawsuit against Clark County. The deputy committed several mistakes:

    1. They were informed that the homeowner was armed, but shot an armed man anyhow.
    ** But you have no idea why.
    Because he fucked up.
    2. First rule of using deadly force: identify your target, the deputy did not do this.
    ** There is no such rule.
    Fuck YES there is, but you are too stupid to know it.

    You shoot to protect yourself or others when facing an imminent lethal threat.
    Asking for ID would be absurd.
    No one was in imminent danger, fool.
    3. There was no one who's life was in danger, so the shooting was unjustified.
    ** Hindsight is always 20:20 vision and 100% irrelevant !!!
    Police are trained in these procedures that you are woefully ignorant of, and are expected to follow them - this has NOTHING to do with "hindsight."

    Like you.


    ...... Phil

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  • From Flyguy@21:1/5 to gnuarm.del...@gmail.com on Mon Jan 31 20:28:52 2022
    On Monday, January 31, 2022 at 5:04:51 PM UTC-8, gnuarm.del...@gmail.com wrote:
    On Monday, January 31, 2022 at 5:44:09 PM UTC-5, Flyguy wrote:
    On Monday, January 31, 2022 at 9:50:44 AM UTC-8, gnuarm.del...@gmail.com wrote:
    On Monday, January 31, 2022 at 11:58:35 AM UTC-5, Ralph Mowery wrote:
    In article <5b90b107-4512-4339...@googlegroups.com>, gnuarm.del...@gmail.com says...

    Result, one dead good guy with a gun.

    https://katu.com/news/local/deputy-shoots-kills-off-duty-vancouver-pd-officer-who-fought-robbery-suspect-at-his-home


    Really bad when one cop shoots another cop.
    Same thing happened in PG county around Washington a few decades back. A DC cop found his home broken into and called 911, pulled his gun and entered the house. A few minutes later two PG county cops pull up, see a gun in the house with a gun and
    shoot and kill him. It was the DC cop.

    Just as bad, a PG county cop came home to his apartment to find the door was not locked. He pulls his gun and when he finds someone in the kitchen he shoots and kills him. It was the janitor changing the air filters.

    Good guys with guns aren't always so good either.

    --

    Rick C.

    + Get 1,000 miles of free Supercharging
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    I expect the widow to file a wrongful death lawsuit against Clark County. The deputy committed several mistakes:
    1. They were informed that the homeowner was armed, but shot an armed man anyhow.
    2. First rule of using deadly force: identify your target, the deputy did not do this.
    3. There was no one who's life was in danger, so the shooting was unjustified.

    If you are ever in this situation do not try to make an arrest yourself because the police won't know who you are when they arrive. Go to a defensible area with everyone in the house, such as a bedroom, and await for the police to arrive. Let them
    make the arrest. This guy went into the cop mode, not appreciating the danger that put him into.
    You mean the cop went into cop mode? Yeah, I believe they are trained to do that.

    The take away from this is that having a gun for protection is not the magic bullet people think it is. It is just as likely to get you or someone else in your home killed. More likely actually. This is an example.

    Who was that guy who argued about gun issues because he was highly trained and had a carry permit and based his arguments on the idea that everyone with a gun was like him. That would be fine, were it so. But you can't even be safe from Deputy Barney
    Fife and the one bullet he carried in his pocket.

    If he had done what I recommended he would be alive today. This almost happened to the FBI agent that wrote the book Mind Hunters, which became a Netflix series. He said he was never more scared, before or since, than he was that night - fortunately the
    other cop yelled at him to freeze, and he did. This is why the deputy fucked up by not properly identifying the target.


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  • From Phil Allison@21:1/5 to Fuckwit on Mon Jan 31 23:45:24 2022
    Flyguy = Fuckwit wrote:
    ====================

    I expect the widow to file a wrongful death lawsuit against Clark County. The deputy committed several mistakes:

    1. They were informed that the homeowner was armed, but shot an armed man anyhow.
    ** But you have no idea why.

    Because he fucked up.

    ** But you have no idea why.

    2. First rule of using deadly force: identify your target, the deputy did not do this.
    ** There is no such rule.

    Fuck YES there is...

    ** FUCKING LIAR !!!!


    You shoot to protect yourself or others when facing an imminent lethal threat.
    Asking for ID would be absurd.

    No one was in imminent danger,

    ** Hindsight is bullshit.

    3. There was no one who's life was in danger, so the shooting was unjustified.

    ** Hindsight is always 20:20 vision and 100% irrelevant !!!

    Police are trained in these procedures

    ** Yawnnnnnn.......

    Stop posting damn stupid lies.


    ..... Phil

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  • From DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno@decadenc@21:1/5 to soreass2morrow@yahoo.com on Tue Feb 1 07:47:41 2022
    FlyTurd

    soreass2morrow@yahoo.com wrote

    I expect

    Like we need a fucking primer from a total fucking clueless
    TrumpDingleberry like you.

    Much less a copied and pasted one. You could not be more stupid if
    you tried, putz boy.

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