• Looking for a decade counter -or- divider ?

    From Sid 03@21:1/5 to All on Tue Jan 25 08:51:40 2022
    Decade counter:
    I am looking for a decade counter, I found some on-line like the 4017 and 74HC[T]390.
    But I am now sure any of those are what I want. At my previous job we use to have quad decade counters in one chip available. That has been a few years ago and not sure where to look now.
    What I want to be able to do is tie at least two of them end to end and get a divider of 10 and 100.
    Maybe the terminology is wrong and I should be looking for a divider ?

    Any help is appreciated.
    Thanks

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  • From Ralph Mowery@21:1/5 to All on Tue Jan 25 11:56:46 2022
    In article <df6f7519-d347-4a84-b677-39ec12552f65n@googlegroups.com>, sidwelle@gmail.com says...

    Decade counter:
    I am looking for a decade counter, I found some on-line like the 4017 and 74HC[T]390.
    But I am now sure any of those are what I want. At my previous job we use to have quad decade counters in one chip available. That has been a few years ago and not sure where to look now.
    What I want to be able to do is tie at least two of them end to end and get a divider of 10 and 100.
    Maybe the terminology is wrong and I should be looking for a divider ?




    If all you need to do is divide by 10 and 100 look at a 7490. It has 2 sections as I recall. One divides by 2 and the other by 5 so you hook
    them up in series. Usually the divide by 2 is the last so you get a
    better transistion . YOu can put 2 in series to divide by 100.

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  • From Don Y@21:1/5 to All on Tue Jan 25 10:05:46 2022
    On 1/25/2022 9:51 AM, Sid 03 wrote:
    Decade counter: I am looking for a decade counter, I found some on-line like the 4017 and 74HC[T]390. But I am now sure any of those are what I
    want. At my previous job we use to have quad decade counters in one chip available. That has been a few years ago and not sure where to look now. What I want to be able to do is tie at least two of them end to end and get
    a divider of 10 and 100. Maybe the terminology is wrong and I should be looking for a divider ?

    You *only* care about the resulting output pulse-train (which can be
    shaped to a square wave)? Not any of the intermediate outputs?

    Do you care about the exact phase relationship with the input clock?

    Must the divisor always be (exactly) 10/100?

    What clock rates are you planning on working with? Supply voltages?

    (presumably, you want COTS "components" and not an integrated solution
    like an FPGA)

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  • From Reinhard Zwirner@21:1/5 to Ralph Mowery on Tue Jan 25 18:06:54 2022
    Ralph Mowery schrieb:
    In article <df6f7519-d347-4a84-b677-39ec12552f65n@googlegroups.com>, sidwelle@gmail.com says...

    Decade counter:
    I am looking for a decade counter, I found some on-line like the 4017 and 74HC[T]390.
    But I am now sure any of those are what I want. At my previous job we use to have quad decade counters in one chip available. That has been a few years ago and not sure where to look now.
    What I want to be able to do is tie at least two of them end to end and get a divider of 10 and 100.
    Maybe the terminology is wrong and I should be looking for a divider ?

    If all you need to do is divide by 10 and 100 look at a 7490. It has 2 sections as I recall. One divides by 2 and the other by 5 so you hook
    them up in series. Usually the divide by 2 is the last so you get a
    better transistion . YOu can put 2 in series to divide by 100.

    For dividing by 100 one needs just a single 74x390 which contains two divide-by-10 counters.

    HTH

    Reinhard

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  • From jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com@21:1/5 to All on Tue Jan 25 09:08:19 2022
    On Tue, 25 Jan 2022 08:51:40 -0800 (PST), Sid 03 <sidwelle@gmail.com>
    wrote:

    Decade counter:
    I am looking for a decade counter, I found some on-line like the 4017 and 74HC[T]390.
    But I am now sure any of those are what I want. At my previous job we use to have quad decade counters in one chip available. That has been a few years ago and not sure where to look now.
    What I want to be able to do is tie at least two of them end to end and get a divider of 10 and 100.
    Maybe the terminology is wrong and I should be looking for a divider ?

    Any help is appreciated.
    Thanks

    HCT390 should work. It's a dual ripple counter.

    Maybe use a schmitt gate in front to get a clean clock, depending on
    what you want to count.



    --

    I yam what I yam - Popeye

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  • From Jan Panteltje@21:1/5 to sidwelle@gmail.com on Tue Jan 25 17:34:16 2022
    On a sunny day (Tue, 25 Jan 2022 08:51:40 -0800 (PST)) it happened Sid 03 <sidwelle@gmail.com> wrote in <df6f7519-d347-4a84-b677-39ec12552f65n@googlegroups.com>:

    Decade counter:
    I am looking for a decade counter, I found some on-line like the 4017 and 74HC[T]390.
    But I am now sure any of those are what I want. At my previous job we use to have quad decade counters in one chip available.
    That has been a few years ago and not sure where to look now.
    What I want to be able to do is tie at least two of them end to end and get a divider of 10 and 100.
    Maybe the terminology is wrong and I should be looking for a divider ?

    Any help is appreciated.
    Thanks

    2 x 74[HCT]90 in series will do that, gives you BCD output too.

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  • From Sid 03@21:1/5 to Jan Panteltje on Tue Jan 25 13:03:12 2022
    On Tuesday, January 25, 2022 at 11:36:10 AM UTC-6, Jan Panteltje wrote:
    On a sunny day (Tue, 25 Jan 2022 08:51:40 -0800 (PST)) it happened Sid 03 <sidw...@gmail.com> wrote in
    <df6f7519-d347-4a84...@googlegroups.com>:
    Decade counter:
    I am looking for a decade counter, I found some on-line like the 4017 and 74HC[T]390.
    But I am now sure any of those are what I want. At my previous job we use to have quad decade counters in one chip available.
    That has been a few years ago and not sure where to look now.
    What I want to be able to do is tie at least two of them end to end and get a divider of 10 and 100.
    Maybe the terminology is wrong and I should be looking for a divider ?

    Any help is appreciated.
    Thanks
    2 x 74[HCT]90 in series will do that, gives you BCD output too.

    So either the 4017 or the 390 will do the job, but in either scenario I will need 2 chips ?
    Is there a chip out there that will do it all in one chip ?
    Thanks

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  • From Don Y@21:1/5 to All on Tue Jan 25 14:14:07 2022
    On 1/25/2022 2:03 PM, Sid 03 wrote:
    On Tuesday, January 25, 2022 at 11:36:10 AM UTC-6, Jan Panteltje wrote:
    On a sunny day (Tue, 25 Jan 2022 08:51:40 -0800 (PST)) it happened Sid 03
    <sidw...@gmail.com> wrote in
    <df6f7519-d347-4a84...@googlegroups.com>:
    Decade counter:
    I am looking for a decade counter, I found some on-line like the 4017 and 74HC[T]390.
    But I am now sure any of those are what I want. At my previous job we use to have quad decade counters in one chip available.
    That has been a few years ago and not sure where to look now.
    What I want to be able to do is tie at least two of them end to end and get a divider of 10 and 100.
    Maybe the terminology is wrong and I should be looking for a divider ?

    Any help is appreciated.
    Thanks
    2 x 74[HCT]90 in series will do that, gives you BCD output too.

    So either the 4017 or the 390 will do the job, but in either scenario I will need 2 chips ?
    Is there a chip out there that will do it all in one chip ?

    As you are being (deliberately) imprecise, I guess we can offer solutions
    that are equally imprecise:

    "Sure! Use an 8 pin MCU in a SOIC8!"

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  • From Arie de Muijnck@21:1/5 to Sid 03 on Tue Jan 25 22:33:10 2022
    On 2022-01-25 17:51, Sid 03 wrote:
    Decade counter:
    I am looking for a decade counter, I found some on-line like the 4017 and 74HC[T]390.
    But I am now sure any of those are what I want. At my previous job we use to have quad decade counters in one chip available. That has been a few years ago and not sure where to look now.
    What I want to be able to do is tie at least two of them end to end and get a divider of 10 and 100.
    Maybe the terminology is wrong and I should be looking for a divider ?

    Any help is appreciated.
    Thanks

    The 74[[HC]T]390 had two decade counters, when the two are combined it
    can divide by 10 and at the same time by 100.

    Isn't that what you want?
    Or do you want to divide by 10, 100, 1000 and 10000 (the quad case)?

    Arie

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  • From whit3rd@21:1/5 to sidw...@gmail.com on Tue Jan 25 15:05:58 2022
    On Tuesday, January 25, 2022 at 8:51:44 AM UTC-8, sidw...@gmail.com wrote:
    Decade counter:
    I am looking for a decade counter, I found some on-line like the 4017 and 74HC[T]390.
    But I am now sure any of those are what I want. At my previous job we use to have quad decade counters in one chip available. That has been a few years ago and not sure where to look now.

    Even years ago, 'decade' was just a special case of counter, there's many 16-bit timer/counters
    that will handle /10, /100, /1000, /10000 easily, and low-end controllers typically have
    several such as onboard peripherals. AT89C55 has three, in addition to compute and
    I/O resources to use them.

    Do you accept output synchronous with a CPU clock? Is this for some UHF divider purpose?
    There's lots of hardware not sold as 'counter' that will do the task or useful parts of it, just as there's lots of A to D
    converters that don't come with the ADC label.

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  • From Anthony William Sloman@21:1/5 to sidw...@gmail.com on Tue Jan 25 17:45:07 2022
    On Wednesday, January 26, 2022 at 3:51:44 AM UTC+11, sidw...@gmail.com wrote:
    Decade counter:
    I am looking for a decade counter, I found some on-line like the 4017 and 74HC[T]390.
    But I am now sure any of those are what I want. At my previous job we use to have quad decade counters in one chip available. That has been a few years ago and not sure where to look now.
    What I want to be able to do is tie at least two of them end to end and get a divider of 10 and 100.
    Maybe the terminology is wrong and I should be looking for a divider ?

    Any help is appreciated.

    The market for long counters in a single package probably went away when programmable logic chips came along. Something out of the Xilinx Coolrunner range could probably be programmed to do you job without needing much supply current.

    https://www.xilinx.com/products/silicon-devices/cpld/coolrunner-ii.html

    I've used an ICT PA7024 electrically erasable programmable logic array to do that kind of job, but that was nearly thirty years ago - the charm of the PA7024 was that was a drop-in replacement for the 22V10 part, but appreciably more powerful (if not all
    that powerful).

    --
    Bill Sloman, Sydney

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  • From Rick C@21:1/5 to sidw...@gmail.com on Tue Jan 25 18:59:17 2022
    On Tuesday, January 25, 2022 at 10:31:51 PM UTC-4, sidw...@gmail.com wrote:
    On Tuesday, January 25, 2022 at 7:45:11 PM UTC-6, bill....@ieee.org wrote:
    On Wednesday, January 26, 2022 at 3:51:44 AM UTC+11, sidw...@gmail.com wrote:
    Decade counter:
    I am looking for a decade counter, I found some on-line like the 4017 and 74HC[T]390.
    But I am now sure any of those are what I want. At my previous job we use to have quad decade counters in one chip available. That has been a few years ago and not sure where to look now.
    What I want to be able to do is tie at least two of them end to end and get a divider of 10 and 100.
    Maybe the terminology is wrong and I should be looking for a divider ?

    Any help is appreciated.
    The market for long counters in a single package probably went away when programmable logic chips came along. Something out of the Xilinx Coolrunner range could probably be programmed to do you job without needing much supply current.

    https://www.xilinx.com/products/silicon-devices/cpld/coolrunner-ii.html

    I've used an ICT PA7024 electrically erasable programmable logic array to do that kind of job, but that was nearly thirty years ago - the charm of the PA7024 was that was a drop-in replacement for the 22V10 part, but appreciably more powerful (if not
    all that powerful).

    --
    Bill Sloman, Sydney
    I posted here because I don't know much about the counters and wanted some advice.
    This is just a project to try and measure the revolutions of a pump.
    I see alot of these on-line as "CD74HC390E".
    If someone could help me decode the prefix 'CD' and suffix 'E' that would be a big help as well.

    The prefix is not a code, rather simply a maker's mark, if you will. If a company designs a chip they give it a number usually with a letter or two or three at the start. If someone licenses the design they use the exact same part number. If they
    instead make a similar part with the same functionality, they often use the same base number, but append their own letters. The letters at the end are not consistent across all semiconductors, but often are for a maker or at least a line of parts from a
    maker. 'E' often means a high degree of static resistance. Or it may simply be a revision letter although 'E' is getting up there. It could also be an indicator of environment aspects such as being free of various harmful compounds/elements. It can
    also be the package designation.

    The data sheet will tell you nothing about the prefix, but may elude something about the suffix. I have found that many times makers use some odd designation details that they do not explain in black and white in the data sheet. I've often had to call
    to find out some details of a part number. You would think they might consider it important to make it easy to figure out what part number to use to order the durn things!

    --

    Rick C.

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  • From Sid 03@21:1/5 to bill....@ieee.org on Tue Jan 25 18:31:47 2022
    On Tuesday, January 25, 2022 at 7:45:11 PM UTC-6, bill....@ieee.org wrote:
    On Wednesday, January 26, 2022 at 3:51:44 AM UTC+11, sidw...@gmail.com wrote:
    Decade counter:
    I am looking for a decade counter, I found some on-line like the 4017 and 74HC[T]390.
    But I am now sure any of those are what I want. At my previous job we use to have quad decade counters in one chip available. That has been a few years ago and not sure where to look now.
    What I want to be able to do is tie at least two of them end to end and get a divider of 10 and 100.
    Maybe the terminology is wrong and I should be looking for a divider ?

    Any help is appreciated.
    The market for long counters in a single package probably went away when programmable logic chips came along. Something out of the Xilinx Coolrunner range could probably be programmed to do you job without needing much supply current.

    https://www.xilinx.com/products/silicon-devices/cpld/coolrunner-ii.html

    I've used an ICT PA7024 electrically erasable programmable logic array to do that kind of job, but that was nearly thirty years ago - the charm of the PA7024 was that was a drop-in replacement for the 22V10 part, but appreciably more powerful (if not
    all that powerful).

    --
    Bill Sloman, Sydney

    I posted here because I don't know much about the counters and wanted some advice.
    This is just a project to try and measure the revolutions of a pump.
    I see alot of these on-line as "CD74HC390E".
    If someone could help me decode the prefix 'CD' and suffix 'E' that would be a big help as well.

    Thank you.

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  • From Anthony William Sloman@21:1/5 to sidw...@gmail.com on Tue Jan 25 18:52:24 2022
    On Wednesday, January 26, 2022 at 1:31:51 PM UTC+11, sidw...@gmail.com wrote:
    On Tuesday, January 25, 2022 at 7:45:11 PM UTC-6, bill....@ieee.org wrote:
    On Wednesday, January 26, 2022 at 3:51:44 AM UTC+11, sidw...@gmail.com wrote:
    Decade counter:
    I am looking for a decade counter, I found some on-line like the 4017 and 74HC[T]390.
    But I am now sure any of those are what I want. At my previous job we use to have quad decade counters in one chip available. That has been a few years ago and not sure where to look now.
    What I want to be able to do is tie at least two of them end to end and get a divider of 10 and 100.
    Maybe the terminology is wrong and I should be looking for a divider ?

    Any help is appreciated.
    The market for long counters in a single package probably went away when programmable logic chips came along. Something out of the Xilinx Coolrunner range could probably be programmed to do you job without needing much supply current.

    https://www.xilinx.com/products/silicon-devices/cpld/coolrunner-ii.html

    I've used an ICT PA7024 electrically erasable programmable logic array to do that kind of job, but that was nearly thirty years ago - the charm of the PA7024 was that was a drop-in replacement for the 22V10 part, but appreciably more powerful (if not
    all that powerful).

    I posted here because I don't know much about the counters and wanted some advice.
    This is just a project to try and measure the revolutions of a pump.
    I see a lot of these on-line as "CD74HC390E".

    If someone could help me decode the prefix 'CD' and suffix 'E' that would be a big help as well.

    Google will do it for you. Drop it into their "search" line and this is what comes up

    <https://www.ti.com/lit/ds/symlink/cd74hc390.pdf?ts=1643164851456&ref_url=https%253A%252F%252Fwww.google.com%252F>

    which can be cut down to

    <https://www.ti.com/lit/ds/symlink/cd74hc390.pdf>

    It is a link to the Texas Instruments data sheet. CD was the RCA part number for the CMOS part back when they introduced it, which would be about forty years ago.

    The original TTL part is even older. The "E" suffix covers the package - plastic dual-in-line - which is equally old, and rather bulky.

    --
    Bill Sloman, Sydney

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  • From Don Y@21:1/5 to All on Tue Jan 25 20:56:34 2022
    On 1/25/2022 7:31 PM, Sid 03 wrote:
    I posted here because I don't know much about the counters and wanted some advice.
    This is just a project to try and measure the revolutions of a pump.

    So, it's a dead slow input signal.

    Are you interested in getting "nice" (human readable) numbers? Or,
    just driving the output frequency down?

    I.e., unless the pump emits "X*100 pulses per revolution" (in which case, dividing by 100 would give you "X revolutions"), you may, instead, want
    to pick a divisor that directly gives you a number that is easier to
    "consume".

    E.g., if you are wanting "RPM" and wanted to update your "data" every second, you'd be looking to reduce:
    N pulses per revolution / 60
    So, if the pump produced 100 pulses per revolution and you observed 100 pulses *in* that second, you would know that the pump was rotating at 60 RPM. If
    your frequency divisor divided by (100 / 60), you would directly see that result.

    Or, if one revolution moved M units of liquid (?), you could normalize
    your output to directly yield units per minute, hour, etc. by an appropriate choice of frequency divisor.

    If you don't care about "nice units", then you can divide by anything that drives the output frequency low enough to be directly observable (with
    whatever you have "watching" this output). In which case, you can pick
    any old ripple counter and use it.

    I see alot of these on-line as "CD74HC390E".
    If someone could help me decode the prefix 'CD' and suffix 'E' that would be a big help as well.

    The prefix is chosen by the vendor of the part. CD was RCA, SN was TI, MC was Motogorilla, MM for Nat Semi, etc. (note vendors can choose multiple different prefixes... *hopefully* without conflict with other vendors!).

    The suffix often indicates a set of operating conditions -- temperature range, accuracy, supply voltage tolerances, etc.

    Sometimes, there may also be additional suffixes -- like "dash numbers" to indicate speed ranges.

    The "HC" embedded in the part number often indicates a logic family (high speed CMOS... as the original CMOS parts were typically pretty pokey).

    The numeric portion of the part number defines the actual functionality
    of the part. "In general" (ha!), a xx74yy###zzz from any manufacturer
    will be the same basic part fabricated in different technologies, speed
    grades, etc.

    Note that a manufacturer need not follow this "rule". They are free to
    offer THEIR parts under whatever numbering scheme *they* develop. So,
    you might find a particular *functionality* in MECL III with an entirely different part number than 100K ECL, etc. A vendor has control over the
    part numbers he offers. And, can even change the part numbers of
    existing products to suit his fancy (e.g., the NS16032 magically became
    the NS32016, overnight!)

    [There have been some annoying deviations from this "rule" -- most notably
    the early 27xx EPROMs where it was crucial to specify a vendor AND a
    part number instead of just a "generic" part number]

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  • From Jasen Betts@21:1/5 to sidwelle@gmail.com on Wed Jan 26 05:32:31 2022
    On 2022-01-25, Sid 03 <sidwelle@gmail.com> wrote:
    Decade counter:

    I am looking for a decade counter, I found some on-line like the
    4017 and 74HC[T]390. But I am now sure any of those are what I want.
    At my previous job we use to have quad decade counters in one chip available.

    I seem to remember a triple or quad with muliplexed BCD output, but
    IIRC they stopped making them last century.

    That has been a few years ago and not sure where to look now.
    What I want to be able to do is tie at least two of them end to end
    and get a divider of 10 and 100.

    4518 is a dual synchronous counter with individual BCD outputs,

    the "Q2" or "Q3" outputs will give divide-by 10 but not at 50% duty cycle.

    4518 variants are still available from TI

    --
    Jasen.

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  • From Anthony William Sloman@21:1/5 to Don Y on Tue Jan 25 22:44:12 2022
    On Wednesday, January 26, 2022 at 2:56:55 PM UTC+11, Don Y wrote:
    On 1/25/2022 7:31 PM, Sid 03 wrote:
    I posted here because I don't know much about the counters and wanted some advice.

    This is just a project to try and measure the revolutions of a pump.

    So, it's a dead slow input signal.

    Which probably means that you need to put it through a Schmitt trigger input stage. Slowly changing voltages have a nasty habit of producing a cluster of edges as the input goes through the switching voltage. Schmitt triggers can't prevent this, but they
    do make it less likely.

    Are you interested in getting "nice" (human readable) numbers? Or,
    just driving the output frequency down?

    I.e., unless the pump emits "X*100 pulses per revolution" (in which case, dividing by 100 would give you "X revolutions"), you may, instead, want
    to pick a divisor that directly gives you a number that is easier to "consume".

    E.g., if you are wanting "RPM" and wanted to update your "data" every second,
    you'd be looking to reduce:
    N pulses per revolution / 60
    So, if the pump produced 100 pulses per revolution and you observed 100 pulses
    *in* that second, you would know that the pump was rotating at 60 RPM. If your frequency divisor divided by (100 / 60), you would directly see that result.

    Or, if one revolution moved M units of liquid (?), you could normalize
    your output to directly yield units per minute, hour, etc. by an appropriate choice of frequency divisor.

    If you don't care about "nice units", then you can divide by anything that drives the output frequency low enough to be directly observable (with whatever you have "watching" this output). In which case, you can pick
    any old ripple counter and use it.
    I see alot of these on-line as "CD74HC390E".
    If someone could help me decode the prefix 'CD' and suffix 'E' that would be a big help as well.
    The prefix is chosen by the vendor of the part. CD was RCA, SN was TI, MC was
    Motogorilla, MM for Nat Semi, etc. (note vendors can choose multiple different
    prefixes... *hopefully* without conflict with other vendors!).

    The suffix often indicates a set of operating conditions -- temperature range,
    accuracy, supply voltage tolerances, etc.

    In this case it's about packaging, and nothing else.

    Sometimes, there may also be additional suffixes -- like "dash numbers" to indicate speed ranges.

    The "HC" embedded in the part number often indicates a logic family (high speed
    CMOS... as the original CMOS parts were typically pretty pokey).

    HCT was faster than basic CMOS, but HCT specifically said that it was TTL compatible. HC wasn't. ACT is faster still and also TTL compatible.

    The numeric portion of the part number defines the actual functionality
    of the part. "In general" (ha!), a xx74yy###zzz from any manufacturer
    will be the same basic part fabricated in different technologies, speed grades, etc.

    Note that a manufacturer need not follow this "rule". They are free to
    offer THEIR parts under whatever numbering scheme *they* develop. So,
    you might find a particular *functionality* in MECL III with an entirely different part number than 100K ECL, etc. A vendor has control over the
    part numbers he offers. And, can even change the part numbers of
    existing products to suit his fancy (e.g., the NS16032 magically became
    the NS32016, overnight!)

    [There have been some annoying deviations from this "rule" -- most notably the early 27xx EPROMs where it was crucial to specify a vendor AND a
    part number instead of just a "generic" part number]

    Don Y knows more about software than hardware, which has made this post less useful than it might have been.

    --
    Bill Sloman, Sydney

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  • From Phil Hobbs@21:1/5 to Jasen Betts on Wed Jan 26 10:55:59 2022
    Jasen Betts wrote:
    On 2022-01-25, Sid 03 <sidwelle@gmail.com> wrote:
    Decade counter:

    I am looking for a decade counter, I found some on-line like the
    4017 and 74HC[T]390. But I am now sure any of those are what I want.
    At my previous job we use to have quad decade counters in one chip available.

    I seem to remember a triple or quad with muliplexed BCD output, but
    IIRC they stopped making them last century.

    Interesil used to make frequency counter chips like that, and AD
    actually still sells the ICM7217 four-digit decade counter. Of course
    it's $21 and has muxed 7-segment outputs, but hey, it's a quad decade
    counter. ;)

    Cheers

    Phil Hobbs

    --
    Dr Philip C D Hobbs
    Principal Consultant
    ElectroOptical Innovations LLC / Hobbs ElectroOptics
    Optics, Electro-optics, Photonics, Analog Electronics
    Briarcliff Manor NY 10510

    http://electrooptical.net
    http://hobbs-eo.com

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  • From Dimiter_Popoff@21:1/5 to Phil Hobbs on Wed Jan 26 19:04:25 2022
    On 1/26/2022 17:55, Phil Hobbs wrote:
    Jasen Betts wrote:
    On 2022-01-25, Sid 03 <sidwelle@gmail.com> wrote:
    Decade counter:

    I am looking  for a decade counter,  I found some on-line like the
    4017 and 74HC[T]390. But I am now sure any of those are what I want.
    At my previous job we use to have quad decade counters in one chip
    available.

    I seem to remember a triple or quad with muliplexed BCD output, but
    IIRC they stopped making them last century.

    Interesil used to make frequency counter chips like that, and AD
    actually still sells the ICM7217 four-digit decade counter.  Of course
    it's $21 and has muxed 7-segment outputs, but hey, it's a quad decade counter. ;)

    Cheers

    Phil Hobbs


    I remembered an 8 bit counter with a writable latch so one could make
    it divide by any 8 bit value but it took looking at an old library
    disk to recall its name, it was 74LS592... I must have used it as a
    baud rate divider at some point or something, 30+ years ago. I knew
    I had used it but can't remember for what purpose and on which board.
    Looks like it never got made as HC/HCT though, probably no longer
    available. But it must have been nice, writable via an 8 bit bus
    in a DIP16 (I have drawn the part I found only in dip16, looks like
    I never used it in so-16).

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  • From Joe Gwinn@21:1/5 to All on Wed Jan 26 12:34:36 2022
    On Tue, 25 Jan 2022 18:31:47 -0800 (PST), Sid 03 <sidwelle@gmail.com>
    wrote:

    On Tuesday, January 25, 2022 at 7:45:11 PM UTC-6, bill....@ieee.org wrote:
    On Wednesday, January 26, 2022 at 3:51:44 AM UTC+11, sidw...@gmail.com wrote:
    Decade counter:
    I am looking for a decade counter, I found some on-line like the 4017 and 74HC[T]390.
    But I am now sure any of those are what I want. At my previous job we use to have quad decade counters in one chip available. That has been a few years ago and not sure where to look now.
    What I want to be able to do is tie at least two of them end to end and get a divider of 10 and 100.
    Maybe the terminology is wrong and I should be looking for a divider ?

    Any help is appreciated.
    The market for long counters in a single package probably went away when programmable logic chips came along. Something out of the Xilinx Coolrunner range could probably be programmed to do you job without needing much supply current.

    https://www.xilinx.com/products/silicon-devices/cpld/coolrunner-ii.html

    I've used an ICT PA7024 electrically erasable programmable logic array to do that kind of job, but that was nearly thirty years ago - the charm of the PA7024 was that was a drop-in replacement for the 22V10 part, but appreciably more powerful (if not
    all that powerful).

    --
    Bill Sloman, Sydney

    I posted here because I don't know much about the counters and wanted some advice.
    This is just a project to try and measure the revolutions of a pump.
    I see alot of these on-line as "CD74HC390E".
    If someone could help me decode the prefix 'CD' and suffix 'E' that would be a big help as well.

    How are you sensing pump rotation? Be aware that these IC counters
    are far faster than any pump, and if you don't have some kind of low
    pass filter followed by a Schmitt trigger, the IC counters will run
    far faster than any pump ever could - you will be measuring edge noise
    and mechanical chatter, not rotation.

    Joe Gwinn

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  • From Arnie Dwyer@21:1/5 to sidwelle@gmail.com on Sat Jan 29 00:27:22 2022
    Sid 03 <sidwelle@gmail.com> wrote:

    Decade counter:
    I am looking for a decade counter, I found some on-line like the 4017
    and 74HC[T]390. But I am now sure any of those are what I want. At my previous job we use to have quad decade counters in one chip available.
    That has been a few years ago and not sure where to look now. What I
    want to be able to do is tie at least two of them end to end and get a divider of 10 and 100. Maybe the terminology is wrong and I should be looking for a divider ?

    Any help is appreciated.
    Thanks

    Tom Van Baak published a list of PIC counters that give various ratios,
    such as 1e7 (10MHz to 1Hz) with jitter under 2ps. Here is a list with
    source code:

    picDIV -- Single Chip Frequency Divider http://www.leapsecond.com/pic/picdiv.htm

    PIC divider jitter measurement
    http://www.leapsecond.com/pic/jitter/

    He also posted a different version to time events:

    picPET -- Precision Event Timer, more versions http://leapsecond.com/pic/picpet2.htm

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  • From Jan Panteltje@21:1/5 to spamme@not.com on Sat Jan 29 06:08:22 2022
    On a sunny day (Sat, 29 Jan 2022 00:27:22 -0000 (UTC)) it happened Arnie Dwyer <spamme@not.com> wrote in <XnsAE2DC5EADE5E9idtokenpost@144.76.35.252>:

    Sid 03 <sidwelle@gmail.com> wrote:

    Decade counter:
    I am looking for a decade counter, I found some on-line like the 4017
    and 74HC[T]390. But I am now sure any of those are what I want. At my
    previous job we use to have quad decade counters in one chip available.
    That has been a few years ago and not sure where to look now. What I
    want to be able to do is tie at least two of them end to end and get a
    divider of 10 and 100. Maybe the terminology is wrong and I should be
    looking for a divider ?

    Any help is appreciated.
    Thanks

    Tom Van Baak published a list of PIC counters that give various ratios,
    such as 1e7 (10MHz to 1Hz) with jitter under 2ps. Here is a list with
    source code:

    picDIV -- Single Chip Frequency Divider >http://www.leapsecond.com/pic/picdiv.htm

    PIC divider jitter measurement
    http://www.leapsecond.com/pic/jitter/

    He also posted a different version to time events:

    picPET -- Precision Event Timer, more versions >http://leapsecond.com/pic/picpet2.htm


    Sure, using Mircochip PICs much is possible
    here my frequency counter in an RS232 connector, powered from the RS232 DTR::
    http://panteltje.com/panteltje/pic/freq_pic/

    But then he needs a PIC programmer etc...

    I am sure an ebay search will get you many cheap frequency counters too.

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