I normally don't watch or read any news because it is boring.
But with Ukrainia going on I am for the first time interested.

I only have Internet on my cable. Nothing else.
Is there a good web site for streaming live news reporting?

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Dan Purgert wrote:
=================

I normally don't watch or read any news because it is boring.
But with Ukrainia going on I am for the first time interested.

I only have Internet on my cable. Nothing else.
Is there a good web site for streaming live news reporting?

** U-tube does a fairly good job.

But the coverage is patchy, lacking in detail so not very informative.



..... Phil

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Dan Purgert wrote:

[...[

None of that, actually. Unless I've had a complete mental break.

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Dan Purgert wrote:

Dan Purgert wrote:

[...[

None of that, actually. Unless I've had a complete mental break.

Presumably the PGP signature can prove it one way or the other whether you did?

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Andy Burns wrote:

Dan Purgert wrote:

Dan Purgert wrote:

[...[

None of that, actually. Unless I've had a complete mental break.

Presumably the PGP signature can prove it one way or the other whether
you did?

Oops, that second sentence was supposed to come off more joking. Oh
well, learn from my mistakes - don't try to be funny before you've had
coffee :)

The original post isn't signed at all (least according to my copy of
slrn), whereas my initial response (and this one) are.

Too bad I forget who was asking me why I send everything signed, this
would be a perfect example to show them.

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Andy Burns wrote:

It did look to be signed to me, the full message, headers and all is
pasted at the bottom of this reply.

Right, whoever it was just pasted a PGP signature block into the body of
their post.

Using slrn, <Shift>+v allows you to verify the signature -- well at
least in my instance, where I added a gpg module. I'm not 100%
sure if it'd be possible "by default" (something to check later, I
guess). I'm sure other readers have similar functionality, for those so interested.

What I get when trying to verify that initial post:

[Verify Signature:]--------------+
¦gpg: no signed data ¦
¦gpg: can't hash datafile: No data¦
+----------------------[All]------+

as opposed to an actual posting by me:

+[Verify Signature:]-----------------------------------------
¦gpg: Signature made Tue 01 Mar 2022 05:41:31 AM EST
¦gpg: using RSA key DDAB23FB19FA7D851CC1E0676D6570E54CE72860
¦gpg: Good signature from [...]
+------------------------------------------------------------

(edited slightly, in order to fit within 72 characters)

[...]
Yes, I remember them asking what value it added, and thought this
might be an example of it being some use (or indeed showing that is it
is no use) but I can't remember who it was either.

Perfect example of it being useful, at least once I stopped tripping
over simple things, like "trying to make a joke that came across as
serious" :)


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Dan Purgert wrote:

Andy Burns wrote:

Dan Purgert wrote:

Dan Purgert wrote:

None of that, actually. Unless I've had a complete mental break.

Presumably the PGP signature can prove it one way or the other whether
you did?

Oops, that second sentence was supposed to come off more joking. Oh
well, learn from my mistakes - don't try to be funny before you've had
coffee :)

The original post isn't signed at all (least according to my copy of
slrn)

It did look to be signed to me, the full message, headers and all is pasted at the bottom of this reply

whereas my initial response (and this one) are.

Too bad I forget who was asking me why I send everything signed, this
would be a perfect example to show them.

Yes, I remember them asking what value it added, and thought this might be an example of it being some use (or indeed showing that is it is no use) but I can't remember who it was either.

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From: Dan Purgert <dan@djph.net>
Newsgroups: sci.electronics.repair
Subject: Live news
Date: Tue, 1 Mar 2022 04:50:30 -0000 (UTC)
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I normally don't watch or read any news because it is boring.
But with Ukrainia going on I am for the first time interested.

I only have Internet on my cable. Nothing else.
Is there a good web site for streaming live news reporting?

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Dan Purgert wrote:

Andy Burns wrote:

It did look to be signed to me, the full message, headers and all is
pasted at the bottom of this reply.

Right, whoever it was just pasted a PGP signature block into the body of their post.

What I get when trying to verify that initial post:

¦gpg: no signed data ¦
¦gpg: can't hash datafile: No data¦

Thunderbird says similar

"Only a subset of this message was encrypted using OpenPGP. The readable parts of the message that are already shown were not encrypted. If you click the decrypt button, the contents of the encrypted parts will be shown."

but clicking decrypt doesn't show any more, since there isn't a signed part.

as opposed to an actual posting by me:

¦gpg: Signature made Tue 01 Mar 2022 05:41:31 AM EST
¦gpg: using RSA key DDAB23FB19FA7D851CC1E0676D6570E54CE72860

Yes, for your previous message, thnderbird will show the signed part, but I can't seem to get your actual PGP key from anywhere, tried key IDs

0x4CE72860
DDAB23FB19FA7D851CC1E0676D6570E54CE72860
05CA 9A50 3F2E 1335 4DC5 4AEE 8E11 DDF3 1279 A281 ?fake?

Perfect example of it being useful, at least once I stopped tripping
over simple things, like "trying to make a joke that came across as
serious" :)

Presumably Ray at E-S can identify the account, it seems to be unique to that message.

https://groups.google.com/search?q=U2FsdGVkX1%2Fvrw52a0xBeAsmj0V5JXaJ

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Dan,

There are a plethora of news sites available with a decent internet connection. My first choice usually is:

https://www.bbc.com/news

However, you can search on any of the major networks (in the USA that would be ABC/NBC/CBS/PBS/CNN and more) Also NPR (National public Radio)
is decent. The CBC in Canada is likely pretty good.

I've found the major US networks a bit too myopic, in that they'll tell you that x AMERICANS were killed in some disaster, ignoring people of
other nations. It is what I like about BBC (British Broadcasting
Company). You'll have to look at a few and decide which is right for you.

Best regards


On 2/28/2022 11:50 PM, Dan Purgert wrote:

I normally don't watch or read any news because it is boring.
But with Ukrainia going on I am for the first time interested.

I only have Internet on my cable. Nothing else.
Is there a good web site for streaming live news reporting?

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Hash: SHA512

Andy Burns wrote:

Yes, for your previous message, thnderbird will show the signed part,
but I can't seem to get your actual PGP key from anywhere, tried key
IDs

0x4CE72860

Searching for that on keyserver.ubuntu.com found it pretty much right
away. Seems that it isn't as shared out in the same manner as things
used to be (*sigh* for thinking things still worked like they did back
when pgp.mit.edu was one of the go-to options).

Assuming everything has been correctly handled by myself, it should also
be available at keys.openpgp.org now (I hope :) ).

Perfect example of it being useful, at least once I stopped tripping
over simple things, like "trying to make a joke that came across as
serious" :)

Presumably Ray at E-S can identify the account, it seems to be unique
to that message.

Yep, I considered asking him about it.


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Andy Burns wrote:

Dan Purgert wrote:

Seems that it isn't as shared out in the same manner as things
used to be (*sigh* for thinking things still worked like they did back
when pgp.mit.edu was one of the go-to options).

I can find it (slowly) by hand on pgp.mit.edu, but not on
keyserver.pgp.com, and thunderbird's own "automatic" lookup couldn't
find it, whatever that uses.

It seems the old "oh, the keyservers share things" isn't particularly
true anymore. Wish I'd have noticed that caveat sooner and done the
legwork when I made the current key back in 2020.

Oh well, better late than never :)



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Dan Purgert wrote:

Seems that it isn't as shared out in the same manner as things
used to be (*sigh* for thinking things still worked like they did back
when pgp.mit.edu was one of the go-to options).

I can find it (slowly) by hand on pgp.mit.edu, but not on keyserver.pgp.com, and
thunderbird's own "automatic" lookup couldn't find it, whatever that uses.

it should also be available at keys.openpgp.org now

yes thunderbird now finds and imports keys and validates your signed messages

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Tim Schwartz <tim@bristolnj.com> wrote:

You'll have to look at a few and decide which is right for you.

This will tell you which news to read based on your bias preferences. [https://adfontesmedia.com/static-mbc]

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