• Alps rotary encoder ID

    From UFO@21:1/5 to All on Sun May 5 14:56:40 2024
    Looking for the part number on this , its to a Chrysler 1994 car stereo P04704383AC, location is VR805
    Only marking on it is

    Alps
    Japan

    https://www.mediafire.com/view/lk899arhjefddsn/HPIM1410.JPG/file

    https://www.mediafire.com/view/y5wpnrawhn47qem/HPIM1411.JPG/file

    The shaft is broke, and does not seem to turn, but the 2 pins usually mean
    its a push button type.

    I do have a push button type in stock, but the shaft is larger and I guess
    you have to know
    the resistance on the 3 terminals?

    Unable to locate a service manual or schematic for this model.

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  • From Jeff Liebermann@21:1/5 to All on Sun May 5 17:34:12 2024
    On Sun, 05 May 2024 17:17:14 -0700, Jeff Liebermann <jeffl@cruzio.com>
    wrote:

    It's probably not a resistive potentiometer. More likely a digital
    shaft encoder: ><https://www.reddit.com/r/AskElectronics/comments/15bfj2i/volume_control_from_my_older_1996_chrysler_town/>
    <https://www.amazon.com/DIYhz-Rotary-Encoder-Digital-Potentiometer/dp/B07D3DF8TK>
    <https://m.media-amazon.com/images/I/71DJ0OfTXAL._AC_SL1200_.jpg>

    Note that there are various types and styles of this rotary encoder: <https://www.lgswitch.com/ec-rotary-encoder.html>
    I can't determine which is the correct model because the shaft is
    broken off. It could be anything from EC6 to EC21 and beyond.


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  • From Jeff Liebermann@21:1/5 to UFO on Sun May 5 17:17:14 2024
    On Sun, 5 May 2024 14:56:40 -0400, "UFO" <tech@parts-link.net> wrote:

    Looking for the part number on this , its to a Chrysler 1994 car stereo >P04704383AC, location is VR805
    Only marking on it is

    Alps
    Japan

    https://www.mediafire.com/view/lk899arhjefddsn/HPIM1410.JPG/file

    https://www.mediafire.com/view/y5wpnrawhn47qem/HPIM1411.JPG/file

    The shaft is broke, and does not seem to turn, but the 2 pins usually mean >its a push button type.

    I do have a push button type in stock, but the shaft is larger and I guess >you have to know
    the resistance on the 3 terminals?

    Unable to locate a service manual or schematic for this model.

    It's probably not a resistive potentiometer. More likely a digital
    shaft encoder: <https://www.reddit.com/r/AskElectronics/comments/15bfj2i/volume_control_from_my_older_1996_chrysler_town/>
    <https://www.amazon.com/DIYhz-Rotary-Encoder-Digital-Potentiometer/dp/B07D3DF8TK>
    <https://m.media-amazon.com/images/I/71DJ0OfTXAL._AC_SL1200_.jpg>


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  • From UFO@21:1/5 to All on Sun May 5 21:42:04 2024
    That hit on Reddit is exactly the same board, so that must be how the
    original shaft looks.
    I am thinking Alps EC11 like these https://www.ebay.com/itm/113261494197
    and the comments on reddit says they went with an EC11.

    Not sure if its a D shaft...or curcular. He lists 15 or 20mm circular or D shaft in the drop down.
    Then the question is , are the detents the same. Guess I would have to take this one
    apart to determine the number of detents. Usually once you find the number
    of detents
    the electrical spec seems to match. 30 detents maybe....

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  • From Jeff Liebermann@21:1/5 to All on Mon May 6 08:57:34 2024
    On Sun, 5 May 2024 21:42:04 -0400, "UFO" <tech@parts-link.net> wrote:

    Is this the radio?
    <https://www.ebay.com/itm/404464506685>
    I could't find a schematic or parts lists.

    That hit on Reddit is exactly the same board, so that must be how the >original shaft looks.
    I am thinking Alps EC11 like these https://www.ebay.com/itm/113261494197
    and the comments on reddit says they went with an EC11.

    Not sure if its a D shaft...or curcular. He lists 15 or 20mm circular or D >shaft in the drop down.

    If you buy a cicular shaft, you can always use a file to convert it to
    "D". Same with the length of the shaft, which can be cut shorter.
    Stretching the shaft can be done by filling the both ends to a "half
    shaft" and either pinning or gluing them together.

    I'm not sure about the cost of shipping to/from UK, but at the stated
    price, you could probably afford an assortment.

    Then the question is , are the detents the same. Guess I would have to take >this one
    apart to determine the number of detents. Usually once you find the number
    of detents
    the electrical spec seems to match. 30 detents maybe....

    Look at the specs near the bottom of the eBay listing:

    2 Bit Gray Code
    That's probably correct. Two pins for the push button and three pins
    for the two phases.

    Continuous Travel
    That means there's no stops on rotation. That's probably correct.

    Momentary push switch.
    You can test that by grabbing the center shaft with a pair of plier
    and see if it moves when you push or pull on the shaft.

    20 position/pulses per 360 degree (rotation).
    Hard to tell from here. I don't know. I think 24 steps per
    revolution is more common. From the Reddit photo, it's the volume
    control.

    5-pin, 3 pins for the 'code' and 2 pins for the push switch.
    Yes, that's standard.

    Supplied with nut & washer
    No clue on the thread type. Metric vs imperial?? Probably metric.

    Rated Voltage: 5v DC
    That's ok.

    Conductor: min. 0.5mA max. 10mA
    OK.

    Operating temperature: -10°C~+70°C
    Just fine.

    I can't be sure if the eBay part is a suitable substitute but is seems
    likely. If you have time, buy 1 or 2 and see if it works.



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  • From Jeff Liebermann@21:1/5 to UFO on Mon May 6 17:56:38 2024
    On Sun, 5 May 2024 21:42:04 -0400, "UFO" <tech@parts-link.net> wrote:

    That hit on Reddit is exactly the same board, so that must be how the >original shaft looks.
    I am thinking Alps EC11 like these https://www.ebay.com/itm/113261494197
    and the comments on reddit says they went with an EC11.

    Note that the "11" in EC11 means that the base is 11mm x 11m. You
    should be able to measure the broken encoder with a rules.

    Also, I think the Alps Encoder Product FAQ might be useful: <https://tech.alpsalpine.com/e/products/faq/encoder/>

    This is there selection of EC11 encoders: <https://tech.alpsalpine.com/e/products/category/encorders/sub/01/series/ec11e/>

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