Last weekend, I found out that a TOP brand power bar on
my bench had been configured with a switched live wire to the
neutral pins of its outlets.
This power bar has multi-style plug compatibility, with
no UL or CSA safety markings. Will accept European, UK, US etc.
Internally, the plastic extrusion/mold specifically identifies
each location ( 'L' , 'N' ) with the reversed phasing.
The phasing identity in the wire color coding was correct
per IEC brown-live, blue-neutral, grn/yel-earth in the
internal wiring and line cord.
Is there a standard 3pin earthed wall plug (Euro UK Asia Oz
SA Arg etc) where live/neutral is specified
as reverse to the
NA 120V 3pin orientation?
NA regulation socket, outside view.
N L
E
TOP hardware socket, outside view.
L N
E
Last weekend, I found out that a TOP brand power bar on
my bench had been configured with a switched live wire to the
neutral pins of its outlets.
This power bar has multi-style plug compatibility, with
no UL or CSA safety markings. Will accept European, UK, US etc.
Internally, the plastic extrusion/mold specifically identifies
each location ( 'L' , 'N' ) with the reversed phasing.
The phasing identity in the wire color coding was correct
per IEC brown-live, blue-neutral, grn/yel-earth in the
internal wiring and line cord.
Is there a standard 3pin earthed wall plug (Euro UK Asia Oz
SA Arg etc) where live/neutral is specified as reverse to the
NA 120V 3pin orientation?
NA regulation socket, outside view.
N L
E
TOP hardware socket, outside view.
L N
E
RL
On Tue, 05 Mar 2024 11:53:19 -0500, legg <legg@nospam.magma.ca> wrote:
Last weekend, I found out that a TOP brand power bar on
my bench had been configured with a switched live wire to the
neutral pins of its outlets.
This power bar has multi-style plug compatibility, with
no UL or CSA safety markings. Will accept European, UK, US etc.
Internally, the plastic extrusion/mold specifically identifies
each location ( 'L' , 'N' ) with the reversed phasing.
The phasing identity in the wire color coding was correct
per IEC brown-live, blue-neutral, grn/yel-earth in the
internal wiring and line cord.
Is there a standard 3pin earthed wall plug (Euro UK Asia Oz
SA Arg etc) where live/neutral is specified as reverse to the
NA 120V 3pin orientation?
NA regulation socket, outside view.
N L
E
TOP hardware socket, outside view.
L N
E
RL
An Australian standard GPO (general purpose outlet) viewed from the
front has the pin usage shown in your lower arrangement.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AS/NZS_3112
On 05 Mar 24 at group /sci/electronics/repair in article tdieuil9tgomh0jq6iaoq3595p3h9pnq2b@4ax.com
<legg@nospam.magma.ca> (legg) wrote:
Last weekend, I found out that a TOP brand power bar on
my bench had been configured with a switched live wire to the
neutral pins of its outlets.
This power bar has multi-style plug compatibility, with
no UL or CSA safety markings. Will accept European, UK, US etc.
Internally, the plastic extrusion/mold specifically identifies
each location ( 'L' , 'N' ) with the reversed phasing.
The phasing identity in the wire color coding was correct
per IEC brown-live, blue-neutral, grn/yel-earth in the
internal wiring and line cord.
Is there a standard 3pin earthed wall plug (Euro UK Asia Oz
SA Arg etc) where live/neutral is specified
It depends on the country/connector style.
Germany no polarisation (SCHUKO),
other EU may have some.
Even SCHUKO Style with an aditional round ground (Swiss, Belgica...)
British connectors are very british :]
as reverse to the
NA 120V 3pin orientation?
NA regulation socket, outside view.
N L
E
TOP hardware socket, outside view.
L N
E
If you mean 'Kaltgerätestecker',
then look for IEC_60320 C13 female and C14 male.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IEC_60320
better
https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ger%C3%A4testecker
L N
E
So the TOP brand is international correct!
But USA rarely respect international norms :(
imperial vs metric :)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mains_electricity_by_country
and
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AC_power_plugs_and_sockets
Saludos (an alle Vernünftigen, Rest sh. sig)
Wolfgang
On Tue, 05 Mar 2024 11:53:19 -0500, legg <legg@nospam.magma.ca> wrote:
Last weekend, I found out that a TOP brand power bar on
my bench had been configured with a switched live wire to the
neutral pins of its outlets.
This power bar has multi-style plug compatibility, with
no UL or CSA safety markings. Will accept European, UK, US etc.
Internally, the plastic extrusion/mold specifically identifies
each location ( 'L' , 'N' ) with the reversed phasing.
The phasing identity in the wire color coding was correct
per IEC brown-live, blue-neutral, grn/yel-earth in the
internal wiring and line cord.
Is there a standard 3pin earthed wall plug (Euro UK Asia Oz
SA Arg etc) where live/neutral is specified as reverse to the
NA 120V 3pin orientation?
NA regulation socket, outside view.
N L
E
TOP hardware socket, outside view.
L N
E
RL
An Australian standard GPO (general purpose outlet) viewed from the
front has the pin usage shown in your lower arrangement.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AS/NZS_3112
Last weekend, I found out that a TOP brand power bar on
my bench had been configured with a switched live wire to the
neutral pins of its outlets.
This power bar has multi-style plug compatibility, with
no UL or CSA safety markings. Will accept European, UK, US etc.
Internally, the plastic extrusion/mold specifically identifies
each location ( 'L' , 'N' ) with the reversed phasing.
The phasing identity in the wire color coding was correct
per IEC brown-live, blue-neutral, grn/yel-earth in the
internal wiring and line cord.
Is there a standard 3pin earthed wall plug (Euro UK Asia Oz
SA Arg etc) where live/neutral is specified as reverse to the
NA 120V 3pin orientation?
NA regulation socket, outside view.
N L
E
TOP hardware socket, outside view.
L N
E
On Tue, 05 Mar 2024 11:53:19 -0500, legg <legg@nospam.magma.ca> wrote:
Last weekend, I found out that a TOP brand power bar onI guess I've found the answer in wiring phase for the
my bench had been configured with a switched live wire to the
neutral pins of its outlets.
This power bar has multi-style plug compatibility, with
no UL or CSA safety markings. Will accept European, UK, US etc.
Internally, the plastic extrusion/mold specifically identifies
each location ( 'L' , 'N' ) with the reversed phasing.
The phasing identity in the wire color coding was correct
per IEC brown-live, blue-neutral, grn/yel-earth in the
internal wiring and line cord.
Is there a standard 3pin earthed wall plug (Euro UK Asia Oz
SA Arg etc) where live/neutral is specified as reverse to the
NA 120V 3pin orientation?
NA regulation socket, outside view.
N L
E
TOP hardware socket, outside view.
L N
E
BS1363 - a fairly common polarized and grounded socket
used around the British commonwealth.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Three_pin_mains_plug_(UK).svg
from
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AC_power_plugs_and_sockets:_British_and_related_types
This this illustrates a fused plug wiring with live wire corresponding
to the TOP hardware socket's orientation.
(The fuse is sized to protect the cord's wire guage.)
So - multisocket users beware, TOP hardware or otherwise -
a plug may fit, but the phasing may not follow.
RL
On 6 Mar 2024 at 18:00:04 GMT, "legg" <legg@nospam.magma.ca> wrote:
On Tue, 05 Mar 2024 11:53:19 -0500, legg <legg@nospam.magma.ca> wrote:
Last weekend, I found out that a TOP brand power bar onI guess I've found the answer in wiring phase for the
my bench had been configured with a switched live wire to the
neutral pins of its outlets.
This power bar has multi-style plug compatibility, with
no UL or CSA safety markings. Will accept European, UK, US etc.
Internally, the plastic extrusion/mold specifically identifies
each location ( 'L' , 'N' ) with the reversed phasing.
The phasing identity in the wire color coding was correct
per IEC brown-live, blue-neutral, grn/yel-earth in the
internal wiring and line cord.
Is there a standard 3pin earthed wall plug (Euro UK Asia Oz
SA Arg etc) where live/neutral is specified as reverse to the
NA 120V 3pin orientation?
NA regulation socket, outside view.
N L
E
TOP hardware socket, outside view.
L N
E
BS1363 - a fairly common polarized and grounded socket
used around the British commonwealth.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Three_pin_mains_plug_(UK).svg
from
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AC_power_plugs_and_sockets:_British_and_related_types
This this illustrates a fused plug wiring with live wire corresponding
to the TOP hardware socket's orientation.
(The fuse is sized to protect the cord's wire guage.)
So - multisocket users beware, TOP hardware or otherwise -
a plug may fit, but the phasing may not follow.
RL
That socket is pretty well universal on UK 240v equipment, and coincides with >your diagram. What are the kind of sockets that are actually wrongly >connected?
The TOP hardware didn't address 60320 type plugs.
I'm looking for polarization standards in female
unshrouded sockets.
The 60320 is associated with switches and fuses on
both phases, so , polarized or not,
On 6 Mar 2024 18:27:12 GMT, Roger Hayter <roger@hayter.org> wrote:
On 6 Mar 2024 at 18:00:04 GMT, "legg" <legg@nospam.magma.ca> wrote:
On Tue, 05 Mar 2024 11:53:19 -0500, legg <legg@nospam.magma.ca> wrote:
Last weekend, I found out that a TOP brand power bar onI guess I've found the answer in wiring phase for the
my bench had been configured with a switched live wire to the
neutral pins of its outlets.
This power bar has multi-style plug compatibility, with
no UL or CSA safety markings. Will accept European, UK, US etc.
Internally, the plastic extrusion/mold specifically identifies
each location ( 'L' , 'N' ) with the reversed phasing.
The phasing identity in the wire color coding was correct
per IEC brown-live, blue-neutral, grn/yel-earth in the
internal wiring and line cord.
Is there a standard 3pin earthed wall plug (Euro UK Asia Oz
SA Arg etc) where live/neutral is specified as reverse to the
NA 120V 3pin orientation?
NA regulation socket, outside view.
N L
E
TOP hardware socket, outside view.
L N
E
BS1363 - a fairly common polarized and grounded socket
used around the British commonwealth.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Three_pin_mains_plug_(UK).svg
from
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AC_power_plugs_and_sockets:_British_and_related_types
This this illustrates a fused plug wiring with live wire corresponding
to the TOP hardware socket's orientation.
(The fuse is sized to protect the cord's wire guage.)
So - multisocket users beware, TOP hardware or otherwise -
a plug may fit, but the phasing may not follow.
RL
That socket is pretty well universal on UK 240v equipment, and coincides with
your diagram. What are the kind of sockets that are actually wrongly
connected?
The LNE orientation of the UK standard (web link pohoto and TOP
sketch) is reverse that of the NA (sketch) standard NEMA 5-15.
Sockets of 'universal' nature don't take this into account.
RL
On 6 Mar 2024 at 21:48:12 GMT, "legg" <legg@nospam.magma.ca> wrote:
On 6 Mar 2024 18:27:12 GMT, Roger Hayter <roger@hayter.org> wrote:
On 6 Mar 2024 at 18:00:04 GMT, "legg" <legg@nospam.magma.ca> wrote:
On Tue, 05 Mar 2024 11:53:19 -0500, legg <legg@nospam.magma.ca> wrote: >>>>
Last weekend, I found out that a TOP brand power bar onI guess I've found the answer in wiring phase for the
my bench had been configured with a switched live wire to the
neutral pins of its outlets.
This power bar has multi-style plug compatibility, with
no UL or CSA safety markings. Will accept European, UK, US etc.
Internally, the plastic extrusion/mold specifically identifies
each location ( 'L' , 'N' ) with the reversed phasing.
The phasing identity in the wire color coding was correct
per IEC brown-live, blue-neutral, grn/yel-earth in the
internal wiring and line cord.
Is there a standard 3pin earthed wall plug (Euro UK Asia Oz
SA Arg etc) where live/neutral is specified as reverse to the
NA 120V 3pin orientation?
NA regulation socket, outside view.
N L
E
TOP hardware socket, outside view.
L N
E
BS1363 - a fairly common polarized and grounded socket
used around the British commonwealth.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Three_pin_mains_plug_(UK).svg
from
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AC_power_plugs_and_sockets:_British_and_related_types
This this illustrates a fused plug wiring with live wire corresponding >>>> to the TOP hardware socket's orientation.
(The fuse is sized to protect the cord's wire guage.)
So - multisocket users beware, TOP hardware or otherwise -
a plug may fit, but the phasing may not follow.
RL
That socket is pretty well universal on UK 240v equipment, and coincides with
your diagram. What are the kind of sockets that are actually wrongly
connected?
The LNE orientation of the UK standard (web link pohoto and TOP
sketch) is reverse that of the NA (sketch) standard NEMA 5-15.
Sockets of 'universal' nature don't take this into account.
RL
Could they not do so by putting the appropriate shaped earth pin on the >opposite side? Might have to be wider.
On 6 Mar 2024 at 21:48:12 GMT, "legg" <legg@nospam.magma.ca> wrote:
On 6 Mar 2024 18:27:12 GMT, Roger Hayter <roger@hayter.org> wrote:
On 6 Mar 2024 at 18:00:04 GMT, "legg" <legg@nospam.magma.ca> wrote:
On Tue, 05 Mar 2024 11:53:19 -0500, legg <legg@nospam.magma.ca> wrote: >>>>
Last weekend, I found out that a TOP brand power bar onI guess I've found the answer in wiring phase for the
my bench had been configured with a switched live wire to the
neutral pins of its outlets.
This power bar has multi-style plug compatibility, with
no UL or CSA safety markings. Will accept European, UK, US etc.
Internally, the plastic extrusion/mold specifically identifies
each location ( 'L' , 'N' ) with the reversed phasing.
The phasing identity in the wire color coding was correct
per IEC brown-live, blue-neutral, grn/yel-earth in the
internal wiring and line cord.
Is there a standard 3pin earthed wall plug (Euro UK Asia Oz
SA Arg etc) where live/neutral is specified as reverse to the
NA 120V 3pin orientation?
NA regulation socket, outside view.
N L
E
TOP hardware socket, outside view.
L N
E
BS1363 - a fairly common polarized and grounded socket
used around the British commonwealth.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Three_pin_mains_plug_(UK).svg
from
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AC_power_plugs_and_sockets:_British_and_related_types
This this illustrates a fused plug wiring with live wire corresponding >>>> to the TOP hardware socket's orientation.
(The fuse is sized to protect the cord's wire guage.)
So - multisocket users beware, TOP hardware or otherwise -
a plug may fit, but the phasing may not follow.
RL
That socket is pretty well universal on UK 240v equipment, and coincides with
your diagram. What are the kind of sockets that are actually wrongly
connected?
The LNE orientation of the UK standard (web link pohoto and TOP
sketch) is reverse that of the NA (sketch) standard NEMA 5-15.
Sockets of 'universal' nature don't take this into account.
RL
Could they not do so by putting the appropriate shaped earth pin on the >opposite side? Might have to be wider.
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