Hang about guys, I just realised (remembered) why I never started using Thunderbird before. IT IS VERY DIFFICULT?
I looked it up. Here are the instructions: (once the user has been told
a few times that T'Bird is really for email and that all the instructions
and searches are directed to that end) AND PROBLEMS
Here's how to set up Thunderbird to import Google Groups: In Thunderbird,
go to the gContactSync menu THERE IS NO GCONTACTSYNC MENU Select Edit Accounts HOW DO YOU EDIT AN ACCOUNT IN A NON-EXISTENT MENU? Choose your account
WHICH ACCOUNT THAT ISN'T A MAIL ACCOUNT?
To be fair, those instructions do say that they are AI Generated. Which
may well be why they seem so screwed up
(oh, and I am still using ggroups, so I cant reply to posts!)
THERE IS NO GCONTACTSYNC MENU
Hang about guys, I just realised (remembered) why I never started[snip wrong instructions]
using Thunderbird before. IT IS VERY DIFFICULT?
To be fair, those instructions do say that they are AI Generated.
Which may well be why they seem so screwed up
WELL PUT! A refreshing 'new' take on AI
Sorry, I thought I had explained, the major point of my 'question' was
the bit where I said that the instructions were AI generated! By that
I meant to say as a minor point of my post that the instructions may
look slightly difficult; but the major point of the post was to elicit
some general hilarity at how AI can get things wrong by simply
trawling around the internet looking for possible answers to some
wrong question.
Anyway, I have set up T'Bird now to read NG messages and have moved on
to trying ti figure out why I can't reply to messages without getting
an IMPROPERLY CONFIGURED OUTGOING NEWSGROUP error message.
The point was originally put in the Guardian in about November 2022
when they first commented on ChatGPT by noting that it seemed to be a mechanical way of bullshitting at length on any subject out there.
(BTW I only get that error message when sending responses: I DO seem
to be able tp do fresh postings without being given the error message)
WELL PUT! A refreshing 'new' take on AIpoint of the post was to elicit some general hilarity at how AI can get things wrong by simply trawling around the internet looking for possible answers to some wrong question.
Sorry, I thought I had explained, the major point of my 'question' was the bit where I said that the instructions were AI generated! By that I meant to say as a minor point of my post that the instructions may look slightly difficult; but the major
Anyway, I have set up T'Bird now to read NG messages and have moved on to trying ti figure out why I can't reply to messages without getting an IMPROPERLY CONFIGURED OUTGOING NEWSGROUP error message.
( I also discovered that the POST button has only disappeared from Chrome, not Firefox)
On 1/5/2024 5:51 PM, Bob F wrote:
On 1/5/2024 8:25 AM, Rayner Lucas wrote:
In article <be2cbbba-3e57-489c-9e1c-951e42ef1d5dn@googlegroups.com>,
licensedtoquill@gmail.com says...
The point was originally put in the Guardian in about November 2022
when they first commented on ChatGPT by noting that it seemed to be a
mechanical way of bullshitting at length on any subject out there.
Exactly! It very much reminds me of Harry Frankfurt's famous essay "On
Bullshit", where he observes that bullshitting is different from lying
because (just like ChatGPT) bullshitters don't even know or care whether >>> what they say is true.
(BTW I only get that error message when sending responses: I DO seem
to be able tp do fresh postings without being given the error message)
That's helpful to know, because it means your news server settings must
be fine. Just to clarify, are you trying to send a "Reply" (by email),
or a "Followup" (to the newsgroup)? (personally I think this terminology >>> is confusing, despite being used in a lot of Usenet clients; I always
have to pause for a moment to remember which is which)
Indeed. If you "Reply", you will often get an error message returned a
while later, because a "Reply" goes to the posters declared email
address. Followups go to the newsgroup you are reading.
Many people use non-existant "reply" address in their usenet posts.
No, I didnt configure anything, I just kinda expected it to work like it has always done with USENET (I think I used to use Outlook Express), Deja and GGroups. And it does, except for sending the outgoing messages to the news group.
I'll check my settings again
On Thursday, January 4, 2024 at 9:26:33 AM UTC-5, Amanda Riphnykhazova wrote:
Hang about guys, I just realised (remembered) why I never started using Thunderbird before. IT IS VERY DIFFICULT?
I looked it up. Here are the instructions: (once the user has been told a few times that T'Bird is really for email and that all the instructions and searches are directed to that end) AND PROBLEMS
Here's how to set up Thunderbird to import Google Groups:
In Thunderbird, go to the gContactSync menu THERE IS NO GCONTACTSYNC MENU
Select Edit Accounts HOW DO YOU EDIT AN ACCOUNT IN A NON-EXISTENT MENU?
Choose your account WHICH ACCOUNT THAT ISN'T A MAIL ACCOUNT?
To be fair, those instructions do say that they are AI Generated. Which may well be why they seem so screwed up
(oh, and I am still using ggroups, so I cant reply to posts!)
Same. I installed Thunderbird and all it seems to do is read my emails, something I could do without it. I don't see any way of accessing newsgroups.
No, I didnt configure anything, I just kinda expected it to work like it has always done with USENET (I think I used to use Outlook Express), Deja and GGroups. And it does, except for sending the outgoing messages to the news group.
I'll check my settings again
No, everything seems to have been set up for me.
But outgoing (SMTP) settings is empty
It says to just use the default
but there is no,thing set up as a default??
You are not not "Reply" to posts here.
You are to "Follow up" to posts here.
Carlos E.R. wrote:
You are not not "Reply" to posts here.
You are to "Follow up" to posts here.
That depends ... if you have the message header pane toolbar enabled,
the reply button there behaves differently to the reply button on the
main toolbar.
Andy Burns wrote:
if you have the message header pane toolbar enabled,
the reply button there behaves differently to the reply button on the
main toolbar.
I don't have buttons on the main toolbar, but I have the main menu.
"Message-Reply to sender only" behaves the same as "Reply" button in the message header pane toolbar and would send an email to you, but using my invalid email and the default smtp server, which will not work.
"Message-Reply to all" attempts something that will fail. I'm not
clicking send.
"Message-Follow up to newsgroup" does the same as the "Follow up" button
in the message header pane toolbar.
Carlos E.R. wrote:
Andy Burns wrote:
if you have the message header pane toolbar enabled, the reply button
there behaves differently to the reply button on the main toolbar.
I don't have buttons on the main toolbar, but I have the main menu.
"Message-Reply to sender only" behaves the same as "Reply" button in
the message header pane toolbar and would send an email to you, but
using my invalid email and the default smtp server, which will not work.
"Message-Reply to all" attempts something that will fail. I'm not
clicking send.
"Message-Follow up to newsgroup" does the same as the "Follow up"
button in the message header pane toolbar.
I can't remember exactly when the message header pane toolbar got added, around v60 or something? Anyway I decided I already had the main
toolbar and didn't need another, so immediately turned it off.
Shortly afterwards I noticed a big increase in people sending me email replies instead of to the group, and then having to apologise for it,
since I had no such button, I didn't immediately realise it was due to
the "same" button doing different things in different places.
For me the main reply button always behaves itself, it sends an email
reply to email messages and a usenet reply to usenet messages, on rare occasions I may use reply-all when I choose to.
Andy Burns wrote:
I didn't immediately realise it was due to
the "same" button doing different things in different places.
But it is not the case, I get two different buttons.
Carlos E.R. wrote:
Andy Burns wrote:
I didn't immediately realise it was due to the "same" button doing
different things in different places.
But it is not the case, I get two different buttons.
I've just turned back on my hidden toolbar, and it *is* case here that
on the message header toolbar the first "reply" icon i.e. with
single-left facing arrow says "reply to sender" and it acts exactly like "reply all" from the main toolbar i.e. with double left-facing arrow ...
try it ...
Carlos E.R. wrote:
The Follow up button has a droplist:
Follow up
Reply all
Reply
And there is another button that says "Forward".
yes, I get those ... I've even done a "reset" of the toolbar, it still
does "reply all"
If it doesn't work properly, it is something you have misconfigured on
your end, so ask in the Thunderbird group.
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