• Sangean Emerson ATS803 intermittent tuning shift

    From legg@21:1/5 to All on Thu Feb 16 12:32:44 2023
    I've got an Emerson ( ~ Sangean) ATS803 that has started to mistune.

    Example:

    Basic commercial FM band tune in 99.1MHz and get intermittent
    shift in recieved signal as high as 99.9, with no alteration
    in displayed frequency (reads 99.1).

    This gradually worsens (by frequency pull) until the 99.9MHz
    signal is continuous. To get 99.1MHz signal out then I have to
    tune displayed frequency to ~ 98.4MHz. This is just a notable
    example - smaller shifts have been seen (AIR). I've had to
    retune the display downwards in increments to keep the 99.1MHz
    reception.

    It is physically dependent on something. With the case open,
    pressure on front display can induce it, though all ribbon
    cables have a fibre insulator installed to prevent pentration
    of sharp component leads.

    With RF board lifted, there seems no predictable or repeated
    movement of anything simple that can induce it, but movements
    of the entire rf board will: This can occur with RF board close
    or distant. No assembly pressure on cables is required.

    Tapping/wiggling cables and connectors doesn't aggravate or
    repair it. Tapping/rotating the digital tuning assembly doesn't
    affect the intermitency.

    Finger placement/force on RF board doesn't change anything.

    It's sitting on the bench open and behaving, but I can induce
    problem with mech RF board movement or by reassembly at any time.

    Ack.

    RL

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  • From Peter W.@21:1/5 to All on Thu Feb 16 10:15:31 2023
    It's sitting on the bench open and behaving, but I can induce
    problem with mech RF board movement or by reassembly at any time.

    And that is your best clue!

    I suspect that there is an intermittent in one (or more) component on the RF board - a lifted leg, cracked leg, cold solder or similar that goes intermittent with heat, vibration, or just plain cussedness. Not knowing (but suspecting) this board is
    mostly SMT devices, if you have a thin bamboo skewer, you might try tapping on the individual components to try and get to a specific culprit.

    Good luck with it!

    Peter Wieck
    Melrose Park, PA

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  • From legg@21:1/5 to peterwieck33@gmail.com on Thu Feb 16 16:38:12 2023
    On Thu, 16 Feb 2023 10:15:31 -0800 (PST), "Peter W."
    <peterwieck33@gmail.com> wrote:

    It's sitting on the bench open and behaving, but I can induce
    problem with mech RF board movement or by reassembly at any time.

    And that is your best clue!

    I suspect that there is an intermittent in one (or more) component on the RF board - a lifted leg, cracked leg, cold solder or similar that goes intermittent with heat, vibration, or just plain cussedness. Not knowing (but suspecting) this board is
    mostly SMT devices, if you have a thin bamboo skewer, you might try tapping on the individual components to try and get to a specific culprit.

    Good luck with it!

    Peter Wieck
    Melrose Park, PA

    RF board on the ATS is through hole, I'm not sure how much
    of the digital board is SMD

    Think pre-1987.

    The actual reception is fine.

    I replaced the clock batteries, seeing as how it was open anyways
    and reassembled the thing, under operating power, when and while
    it continued to behave normally.

    Issue hasn't recurred, but is expected it to show up again.
    Squeezing the body in the display area no longer produces
    the symptoms, though.

    Will check the schematic to speculate, in the meantime.

    RL

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  • From Peter W.@21:1/5 to All on Fri Feb 17 03:56:30 2023
    Through-hole makes a wonky lead (or trace) even more likely. Anything from a cracked lead, cold solder to no solder at all. Then, check all the traces as sometimes thermal shocks will crack them.

    Peter Wieck
    Melrose Park, PA

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