https://www.moneyshake.com/car-finance-guides/road-safety/how-to-protect-keyless-entry-cars
Unlike standard cars where access without raising the alarm requires the
key, keyless entry models can be ‘tricked’ into thinking a key is
present through a transmitter and receiver device.
If your car’s fob isn’t stored safely, then it can be very easy for a pair of opportune thieves to pick up the key’s radio frequency signal, without having to break into your house. Luckily, however, there are
many ways in which you can make it extremely difficult for them to do
this and protect your motor.
---- Except, how isthere any signal to pick up unless you are in your
home pressing the Unlock button on the fob at the same time the thief
drives by? I myself dont' bother pressing fob buttons once I've left
the car, until I want to drive away the next day.
https://www.wavy.com/news/local-news/norfolk/relay-devices-being-used-to-steal-locked-cars/
https://www.moneyshake.com/car-finance-guides/road-safety/how-to-protect-keyless-entry-cars
Unlike standard cars where access without raising the alarm requires the
key, keyless entry models can be ‘tricked’ into thinking a key is
present through a transmitter and receiver device.
If your car’s fob isn’t stored safely, then it can be very easy for a pair of opportune thieves to pick up the key’s radio frequency signal, without having to break into your house. Luckily, however, there are
many ways in which you can make it extremely difficult for them to do
this and protect your motor.
---- Except, how isthere any signal to pick up unless you are in your
home pressing the Unlock button on the fob at the same time the thief
drives by? I myself dont' bother pressing fob buttons once I've left
the car, until I want to drive away the next day.
https://www.wavy.com/news/local-news/norfolk/relay-devices-being-used-to-steal-locked-cars/
https://www.moneyshake.com/car-finance-guides/road-safety/how-to-protect-keyless-entry-cars
Unlike standard cars where access without raising the alarm requires the
key, keyless entry models can be ‘tricked’ into thinking a key is
present through a transmitter and receiver device.
If your car’s fob isn’t stored safely, then it can be very easy for a pair of opportune thieves to pick up the key’s radio frequency signal, without having to break into your house.
Luckily, however, there are
many ways in which you can make it extremely difficult for them to do
this and protect your motor.
---- Except, how isthere any signal to pick up unless you are in your
home pressing the Unlock button on the fob at the same time the thief
drives by?
I myself dont' bother pressing fob buttons once I've left
the car, until I want to drive away the next day.
https://www.wavy.com/news/local-news/norfolk/relay-devices-being-used-to-steal-locked-cars/
On Thu, 29 Dec 2022 08:03:38 +1100, micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> wrote:
---- Except, how isthere any signal to pick up unless you are in your
home pressing the Unlock button on the fob at the same time the thief
drives by?
Precisely.
In alt.home.repair, on Wed, 28 Dec 2022 17:06:20 -0500, Ed Pawlowski <esp@snet.xxx> wrote:
On 12/28/2022 4:26 PM, chop wrote:
On Thu, 29 Dec 2022 08:03:38 +1100, micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com>
wrote:
---- Except, how isthere any signal to pick up unless you are in your
home pressing the Unlock button on the fob at the same time the thief
drives by?
Precisely.
Nope. My car even has Smart Trunk (optional setting). If the car is
locked and I approach it from the rear, when about three feet away it
knows I'm there and opens the trunk for me. Nice when hands are full.
There is a very limited distance though. No buttons need be pressed,
the car senses the proximity of the fob.
The guy in NextDoor who raised t his subject replied to me: "No. Push
button cars are in constant communication with the key fob when close
enough for signal. Once the signal is amplified, the device they are
using can unlock the car.
Once inside, they can insert another device
into the ODB port which reprograms the key encryption to whatever they
like."
He envisions being close enough to the fob when the fob is in the house
but near the door and everyone is asleep, then unlocking and stealing
the whole car. Possible?
On 12/28/2022 4:26 PM, chop wrote:
On Thu, 29 Dec 2022 08:03:38 +1100, micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> wrote:
---- Except, how isthere any signal to pick up unless you are in your
home pressing the Unlock button on the fob at the same time the thief
drives by?
Precisely.
Nope. My car even has Smart Trunk (optional setting). If the car is
locked and I approach it from the rear, when about three feet away it
knows I'm there and opens the trunk for me. Nice when hands are full.
There is a very limited distance though. No buttons need be pressed,
the car senses the proximity of the fob.
On 12/28/2022 4:03 PM, micky wrote:
https://www.moneyshake.com/car-finance-guides/road-safety/how-to-protect-keyless-entry-cars
Unlike standard cars where access without raising the alarm requires the
key, keyless entry models can be ‘tricked’ into thinking a key is
present through a transmitter and receiver device.
If your car’s fob isn’t stored safely, then it can be very easy for a
pair of opportune thieves to pick up the key’s radio frequency signal,
without having to break into your house. Luckily, however, there are
many ways in which you can make it extremely difficult for them to do
this and protect your motor.
---- Except, how isthere any signal to pick up unless you are in your
home pressing the Unlock button on the fob at the same time the thief
drives by? I myself dont' bother pressing fob buttons once I've left
the car, until I want to drive away the next day.
https://www.wavy.com/news/local-news/norfolk/relay-devices-being-used-to-steal-locked-cars/
There is a constant signal on some.
I don't press any button to drive my car, just have the fob in my
pocket.
The car knows when I'm getting close and if locked turns a light on the mirrors.
I get in the cat and push the start button in the car.
There is a limited distance of a few feet though. My fob is far enough
from the car it cannot be recognized. Pressing the lock or unlock
buttons works at a much greater distance
---- Except, how isthere any signal to pick up unless you are in your
home pressing the Unlock button on the fob at the same time the thief
drives by? I myself dont' bother pressing fob buttons once I've left
the car, until I want to drive away the next day.
On Thu, 29 Dec 2022 09:01:33 +1100, Ed Pawlowski <esp@snet.xxx> wrote:
On 12/28/2022 4:03 PM, micky wrote:
 https://www.moneyshake.com/car-finance-guides/road-safety/how-to-protect-keyless-entry-cars
Unlike standard cars where access without raising the alarm requires the >>> key, keyless entry models can be ‘tricked’ into thinking a key is
present through a transmitter and receiver device.
If your car’s fob isn’t stored safely, then it can be very easy for a >>> pair of opportune thieves to pick up the key’s radio frequency signal, >>> without having to break into your house. Luckily, however, there are
many ways in which you can make it extremely difficult for them to do
this and protect your motor.
 ---- Except, how isthere any signal to pick up unless you are in your
home pressing the Unlock button on the fob at the same time the thief
drives by?   I myself dont' bother pressing fob buttons once I've left >>> the car, until I want to drive away the next day.
 https://www.wavy.com/news/local-news/norfolk/relay-devices-being-used-to-steal-locked-cars/
There is a constant signal on some.
Don't buy that. The battery wouldn't last very long if that was the case.
I don't press any button to drive my car, just have the fob in my pocket.
That doesn't mean that there is a constant signal.
micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> writes:
---- Except, how isthere any signal to pick up unless you are in your
home pressing the Unlock button on the fob at the same time the thief
drives by? I myself dont' bother pressing fob buttons once I've left
the car, until I want to drive away the next day.
The key fob and the vehicle routinely "ping" each other when
in range. This is what allows mere possession of the key
to allow one to unlock the trunk, or fuel filler cover without
any button push on the remote.
The evesdropper can simply "overhear" the ping and use the data
to capture the necessary bits of the protocol.
On 12/28/2022 5:36 PM, chop wrote:
On Thu, 29 Dec 2022 09:01:33 +1100, Ed Pawlowski <esp@snet.xxx> wrote:What then? it is constantly recognizable by the car, that is what
On 12/28/2022 4:03 PM, micky wrote:Don't buy that. The battery wouldn't last very long if that was the
https://www.moneyshake.com/car-finance-guides/road-safety/how-to-protect-keyless-entry-cars
Unlike standard cars where access without raising the alarm requires
the
key, keyless entry models can be ‘tricked’ into thinking a key is
present through a transmitter and receiver device.
If your car’s fob isn’t stored safely, then it can be very easy for a >>>> pair of opportune thieves to pick up the key’s radio frequency signal, >>>> without having to break into your house. Luckily, however, there are
many ways in which you can make it extremely difficult for them to do
this and protect your motor.
---- Except, how isthere any signal to pick up unless you are in your >>>> home pressing the Unlock button on the fob at the same time the thief
drives by? I myself dont' bother pressing fob buttons once I've
left
the car, until I want to drive away the next day.
https://www.wavy.com/news/local-news/norfolk/relay-devices-being-used-to-steal-locked-cars/
There is a constant signal on some.
case.
I don't press any button to drive my car, just have the fob in myThat doesn't mean that there is a constant signal.
pocket.
matters.
On Thu, 29 Dec 2022 10:47:07 +1100, Scott Lurndal <scott@slp53.sl.home> wrote:
micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> writes:
---- Except, how isthere any signal to pick up unless you are in your
home pressing the Unlock button on the fob at the same time the thief
drives by? I myself dont' bother pressing fob buttons once I've left
the car, until I want to drive away the next day.
The key fob and the vehicle routinely "ping" each other when
in range. This is what allows mere possession of the key
to allow one to unlock the trunk, or fuel filler cover without
any button push on the remote.
The evesdropper can simply "overhear" the ping and use the data
to capture the necessary bits of the protocol.
Not with a rolling code system.
On 12/28/2022 8:52 PM, chop wrote:
On Thu, 29 Dec 2022 10:47:07 +1100, Scott Lurndal <scott@slp53.sl.home>
wrote:
micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> writes:Not with a rolling code system.
---- Except, how isthere any signal to pick up unless you are in your
home pressing the Unlock button on the fob at the same time the thief
drives by? I myself dont' bother pressing fob buttons once I've
left
the car, until I want to drive away the next day.
The key fob and the vehicle routinely "ping" each other when
in range. This is what allows mere possession of the key
to allow one to unlock the trunk, or fuel filler cover without
any button push on the remote.
The evesdropper can simply "overhear" the ping and use the data
to capture the necessary bits of the protocol.
If you read <https://www.moneyshake.com/car-finance-guides/road-safety/how-to-protect-keyless-entry-cars>
"How do keyless car thefts work?" (in the first post)
the method gives the car the code from a legitimate fob at the time the
theft takes place.
Rolling code? That is the code the car gets.
On Thu, 29 Dec 2022 14:31:21 +1100, bud-- <null@void.com> wrote:
On 12/28/2022 8:52 PM, chop wrote:
On Thu, 29 Dec 2022 10:47:07 +1100, Scott Lurndal
<scott@slp53.sl.home> wrote:
micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> writes:Not with a rolling code system.
---- Except, how isthere any signal to pick up unless you are in your >>>>> home pressing the Unlock button on the fob at the same time the thief >>>>> drives by? I myself dont' bother pressing fob buttons once I've
left
the car, until I want to drive away the next day.
The key fob and the vehicle routinely "ping" each other when
in range. This is what allows mere possession of the key
to allow one to unlock the trunk, or fuel filler cover without
any button push on the remote.
The evesdropper can simply "overhear" the ping and use the data
to capture the necessary bits of the protocol.
If you read
<https://www.moneyshake.com/car-finance-guides/road-safety/how-to-protect-keyless-entry-cars>
"How do keyless car thefts work?" (in the first post)
the method gives the car the code from a legitimate fob at the time
the theft takes place.
That isn't possible with the rolling code system.
Rolling code? That is the code the car gets.
But it is different every time, that's where the name ROLLING comes from.
On 12/28/2022 10:38 PM, chop wrote:
On Thu, 29 Dec 2022 14:31:21 +1100, bud-- <null@void.com> wrote:
On 12/28/2022 8:52 PM, chop wrote:
On Thu, 29 Dec 2022 10:47:07 +1100, Scott Lurndal
<scott@slp53.sl.home> wrote:
micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> writes:Not with a rolling code system.
---- Except, how isthere any signal to pick up unless you are in
your
home pressing the Unlock button on the fob at the same time the
thief
drives by? I myself dont' bother pressing fob buttons once I've >>>>>> left
the car, until I want to drive away the next day.
The key fob and the vehicle routinely "ping" each other when
in range. This is what allows mere possession of the key
to allow one to unlock the trunk, or fuel filler cover without
any button push on the remote.
The evesdropper can simply "overhear" the ping and use the data
to capture the necessary bits of the protocol.
If you read
<https://www.moneyshake.com/car-finance-guides/road-safety/how-to-protect-keyless-entry-cars>
"How do keyless car thefts work?" (in the first post)
the method gives the car the code from a legitimate fob at the time
the theft takes place.
That isn't possible with the rolling code system.
"at the time the theft takes place"
Rolling code? That is the code the car gets.But it is different every time, that's where the name ROLLING comes
from.
You have not read the cited source or it is too difficult for you to understand.
When the scheme is being run it gets a 'fresh' rolling code from an authorized fob and sends it to the car.
Everyone seems to understand but you.
On Fri, 30 Dec 2022 05:00:01 +1100, chop, better known as cantankerous trolling senile geezer Rodent Speed, wrote:
Cutting to the chase....
Who, here, has had an *DIRECT* experience with car-theft-by-cloning?
Peter Wieck
Melrose Park, PA
Cutting to the chase....
Who, here, has had an *DIRECT* experience with car-theft-by-cloning?
And how the H do you know that?
On 12/31/2022 6:50 AM, Peter W. wrote:
Cutting to the chase....
Who, here, has had an *DIRECT* experience with car-theft-by-cloning?
And how the H do you know that?
Who, here, has had an *DIRECT* experience with car-theft-by-cloning?Not direct but my neighbor's Mercedes was stolen that way.
Cutting to the chase....
Who, here, has had an *DIRECT* experience with car-theft-by-cloning?
Who, here, has had an *DIRECT* experience with car-theft-by-cloning?Not direct but my neighbor's Mercedes was stolen that way.
Neighbor. Friend. Third Cousin, twice removed.
i.e.: No credible direct experience.
That something is possible - meteor strike, lightening strike, hitting the billion-dollar lottery, does not make it likely. Or, even, a credible threat, excepting pure blind luck and/or stupidity.
Peter Wieck
Melrose Park, PA
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