• Replace combined capacitors in a power tool.

    From Charlie+@21:1/5 to All on Mon Aug 8 07:49:06 2022
    Advice please..
    This is a 250V 1450W Circular saw US made in the 1980s probably.
    AEG CS825, It failed in use yesterday blowing fuses having been stored
    in a garage. Dismantle reveals a leaking swelled combined (film)
    capacitor 0.3uF + 2x 2500pF XY type 250V~ with 3 leads one coloured and
    2 black. Too old for spare parts.
    Presumably I can replace with X rated 250v or better individual caps but
    I dont know enough!
    Is the 0.3 for starting and the small two for anti interferance perhaps?
    TIA C+

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  • From Charlie+@21:1/5 to charlie@xxx.net on Mon Aug 8 20:10:56 2022
    On Mon, 08 Aug 2022 07:49:06 +0100, Charlie+ <charlie@xxx.net> wrote as underneath :

    Advice please..
    This is a 250V 1450W Circular saw US made in the 1980s probably.
    AEG CS825, It failed in use yesterday blowing fuses having been stored
    in a garage. Dismantle reveals a leaking swelled combined (film)
    capacitor 0.3uF + 2x 2500pF XY type 250V~ with 3 leads one coloured and
    2 black. Too old for spare parts.
    Presumably I can replace with X rated 250v or better individual caps but
    I dont know enough!
    Is the 0.3 for starting and the small two for anti interferance perhaps?
    TIA C+

    Actually it is a brushed (universal type) motor so it wont be for
    starting. It will all 3 capacitors be for limiting interferance but I
    dont know what the circuit would be. C+

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  • From legg@21:1/5 to charlie@xxx.net on Mon Aug 8 18:15:55 2022
    On Mon, 08 Aug 2022 20:10:56 +0100, Charlie+ <charlie@xxx.net> wrote:

    On Mon, 08 Aug 2022 07:49:06 +0100, Charlie+ <charlie@xxx.net> wrote as >underneath :

    Advice please..
    This is a 250V 1450W Circular saw US made in the 1980s probably.
    AEG CS825, It failed in use yesterday blowing fuses having been stored
    in a garage. Dismantle reveals a leaking swelled combined (film)
    capacitor 0.3uF + 2x 2500pF XY type 250V~ with 3 leads one coloured and
    2 black. Too old for spare parts.
    Presumably I can replace with X rated 250v or better individual caps but
    I dont know enough!
    Is the 0.3 for starting and the small two for anti interferance perhaps? >>TIA C+

    Actually it is a brushed (universal type) motor so it wont be for
    starting. It will all 3 capacitors be for limiting interferance but I
    dont know what the circuit would be. C+

    These are for line filtering - They are only really effective if the
    line power enters and leaves the cap body on separate wires, so their replacements' location anywhere near the line power exit should be
    just as effective.

    Use an X-rated part across the line, and Y-rated parts to the grounded equipment metal body, from each line terminal. Capacitance equal to or
    less than double the listed values.

    RL

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  • From Charlie+@21:1/5 to legg on Tue Aug 9 07:37:07 2022
    On Mon, 08 Aug 2022 18:15:55 -0400, legg <legg@nospam.magma.ca> wrote as underneath :

    On Mon, 08 Aug 2022 20:10:56 +0100, Charlie+ <charlie@xxx.net> wrote:

    On Mon, 08 Aug 2022 07:49:06 +0100, Charlie+ <charlie@xxx.net> wrote as >>underneath :

    Advice please..
    This is a 250V 1450W Circular saw US made in the 1980s probably.
    AEG CS825, It failed in use yesterday blowing fuses having been stored
    in a garage. Dismantle reveals a leaking swelled combined (film) >>>capacitor 0.3uF + 2x 2500pF XY type 250V~ with 3 leads one coloured and
    2 black. Too old for spare parts.
    Presumably I can replace with X rated 250v or better individual caps but >>>I dont know enough!
    Is the 0.3 for starting and the small two for anti interferance perhaps? >>>TIA C+

    Actually it is a brushed (universal type) motor so it wont be for
    starting. It will all 3 capacitors be for limiting interferance but I
    dont know what the circuit would be. C+

    These are for line filtering - They are only really effective if the
    line power enters and leaves the cap body on separate wires, so their >replacements' location anywhere near the line power exit should be
    just as effective.

    Use an X-rated part across the line, and Y-rated parts to the grounded >equipment metal body, from each line terminal. Capacitance equal to or
    less than double the listed values.

    RL - Thanks for the info, now I'll be able to re-create the circuit
    (the original cap. failed short circuit), though in this case the earth
    wire disappears into the motor but that is not external chassis
    connected, presumably because double insulated. Thanks, C+

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  • From legg@21:1/5 to charlie@xxx.net on Tue Aug 9 10:11:27 2022
    On Tue, 09 Aug 2022 07:37:07 +0100, Charlie+ <charlie@xxx.net> wrote:

    On Mon, 08 Aug 2022 18:15:55 -0400, legg <legg@nospam.magma.ca> wrote as >underneath :

    On Mon, 08 Aug 2022 20:10:56 +0100, Charlie+ <charlie@xxx.net> wrote:

    On Mon, 08 Aug 2022 07:49:06 +0100, Charlie+ <charlie@xxx.net> wrote as >>>underneath :

    Advice please..
    This is a 250V 1450W Circular saw US made in the 1980s probably.
    AEG CS825, It failed in use yesterday blowing fuses having been stored >>>>in a garage. Dismantle reveals a leaking swelled combined (film) >>>>capacitor 0.3uF + 2x 2500pF XY type 250V~ with 3 leads one coloured and >>>>2 black. Too old for spare parts.
    Presumably I can replace with X rated 250v or better individual caps but >>>>I dont know enough!
    Is the 0.3 for starting and the small two for anti interferance perhaps? >>>>TIA C+

    Actually it is a brushed (universal type) motor so it wont be for >>>starting. It will all 3 capacitors be for limiting interferance but I >>>dont know what the circuit would be. C+

    These are for line filtering - They are only really effective if the
    line power enters and leaves the cap body on separate wires, so their >>replacements' location anywhere near the line power exit should be
    just as effective.

    Use an X-rated part across the line, and Y-rated parts to the grounded >>equipment metal body, from each line terminal. Capacitance equal to or
    less than double the listed values.

    RL - Thanks for the info, now I'll be able to re-create the circuit
    (the original cap. failed short circuit), though in this case the earth
    wire disappears into the motor but that is not external chassis
    connected, presumably because double insulated. Thanks, C+

    If you can find any electrical contact to the disappearing third
    )ground) wire, then that's the connection needed. Probably on the
    body of the motor.

    RL

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  • From Charlie+@21:1/5 to legg on Wed Aug 10 07:34:21 2022
    On Tue, 09 Aug 2022 10:11:27 -0400, legg <legg@nospam.magma.ca> wrote as underneath :

    On Tue, 09 Aug 2022 07:37:07 +0100, Charlie+ <charlie@xxx.net> wrote:

    On Mon, 08 Aug 2022 18:15:55 -0400, legg <legg@nospam.magma.ca> wrote as >>underneath :

    On Mon, 08 Aug 2022 20:10:56 +0100, Charlie+ <charlie@xxx.net> wrote:

    On Mon, 08 Aug 2022 07:49:06 +0100, Charlie+ <charlie@xxx.net> wrote as >>>>underneath :

    Advice please..
    This is a 250V 1450W Circular saw US made in the 1980s probably.
    AEG CS825, It failed in use yesterday blowing fuses having been stored >>>>>in a garage. Dismantle reveals a leaking swelled combined (film) >>>>>capacitor 0.3uF + 2x 2500pF XY type 250V~ with 3 leads one coloured and >>>>>2 black. Too old for spare parts.
    Presumably I can replace with X rated 250v or better individual caps but >>>>>I dont know enough!
    Is the 0.3 for starting and the small two for anti interferance perhaps? >>>>>TIA C+

    Actually it is a brushed (universal type) motor so it wont be for >>>>starting. It will all 3 capacitors be for limiting interferance but I >>>>dont know what the circuit would be. C+

    These are for line filtering - They are only really effective if the
    line power enters and leaves the cap body on separate wires, so their >>>replacements' location anywhere near the line power exit should be
    just as effective.

    Use an X-rated part across the line, and Y-rated parts to the grounded >>>equipment metal body, from each line terminal. Capacitance equal to or >>>less than double the listed values.

    RL - Thanks for the info, now I'll be able to re-create the circuit
    (the original cap. failed short circuit), though in this case the earth >>wire disappears into the motor but that is not external chassis
    connected, presumably because double insulated. Thanks, C+

    If you can find any electrical contact to the disappearing third
    )ground) wire, then that's the connection needed. Probably on the
    body of the motor.

    RL No there was no external continuity for the disappearing (earth) and
    any other point easily available - so I have just crimped to the old
    wire and called it a day.. all working fine now so job jobbed using up
    suitable X2 and Y caps from old equipment power supplies. Thanks for
    your help. C+

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