• What happened to Car Radio Antennas?

    From David Lesher@21:1/5 to Brian Gregory on Tue Aug 31 16:48:53 2021
    Brian Gregory <void-invalid-dead-dontuse@email.invalid> writes:


    But most cars nowadays only have FM and DAB+ anyway.

    For some reason, Tesla's do not have an AM band.
    I can't imagine why that is...

    --
    A host is a host from coast to coast.................wb8foz@nrk.com
    & no one will talk to a host that's close..........................
    Unless the host (that isn't close).........................pob 1433
    is busy, hung or dead....................................20915-1433

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From David Lesher@21:1/5 to Brian Gregory on Tue Aug 31 18:00:08 2021
    Brian Gregory <void-invalid-dead-dontuse@email.invalid> writes:


    AM transmitters with over 50kW output are not used in the US at all.

    cough, cough....

    WLW. It ran 500KW+ in the past, but regulators cut them back to
    the ordinary 50KW level in ~1940.

    The transmitter tubes had 3-phase filiments, if that gives you
    some idea of their size.

    There were multiple stories of farmers getting bit by their hot
    barbed wire fences, metal roofs that played WLW, etc.



    --
    A host is a host from coast to coast.................wb8foz@nrk.com
    & no one will talk to a host that's close..........................
    Unless the host (that isn't close).........................pob 1433
    is busy, hung or dead....................................20915-1433

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Rob@21:1/5 to David Lesher on Tue Aug 31 20:39:05 2021
    David Lesher <wb8foz@panix.com> wrote:
    Brian Gregory <void-invalid-dead-dontuse@email.invalid> writes:


    AM transmitters with over 50kW output are not used in the US at all.

    cough, cough....

    WLW. It ran 500KW+ in the past, but regulators cut them back to
    the ordinary 50KW level in ~1940.

    The transmitter tubes had 3-phase filiments, if that gives you
    some idea of their size.

    Actually it makes no sense to make an AM (MW) transmitter using tubes
    today. Designs using semiconductors and some switching mode are
    3+ times more efficient (mains->antenna) and that is a big difference
    at those powerlevels.

    See e.g. Nautel NX https://www.nautel.com/products/am-transmitters/nx-series/

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Ralph Mowery@21:1/5 to All on Tue Aug 31 14:54:49 2021
    In article <slrnsistli.nb4.nomail@xs9.xs4all.nl>, nomail@example.com
    says...

    You can't? Well I can!
    - not useful in large parts of the world
    - interference from motor control



    Probably the interference from the other electronics in the car. Easy
    to eliminate if you just leave the receiver out of the radio.

    I just hope it is not like a friend that had a car about 40 years ago
    where he replaced the spark plug wires and spark plugs with the non
    resistor types. If you had an outside TV antenna which almost everyone
    did back then you could tell he was on the way from about 3 blocks away
    and when he got in the driveway you lost all of the TV station.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Rob@21:1/5 to David Lesher on Tue Aug 31 20:36:34 2021
    David Lesher <wb8foz@panix.com> wrote:
    Brian Gregory <void-invalid-dead-dontuse@email.invalid> writes:


    But most cars nowadays only have FM and DAB+ anyway.

    For some reason, Tesla's do not have an AM band.
    I can't imagine why that is...

    You can't? Well I can!
    - not useful in large parts of the world
    - interference from motor control

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Phil Allison@21:1/5 to Rob the Imbecile on Tue Aug 31 15:11:41 2021
    Rob the Imbecile wrote:
    ==================

    For some reason, Tesla's do not have an AM band.
    I can't imagine why that is...

    You can't? Well I can!
    - not useful in large parts of the world

    ** Choke, choke ???
    WTF is this idiot on ?


    - interference from motor control

    ** Obvious reason.
    AM radio simply does not work satisfactorily in their wacky contraptions.


    ..... Phil

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Michael Terrell@21:1/5 to Brian Gregory on Tue Aug 31 20:29:24 2021
    On Saturday, July 31, 2021 at 12:50:55 PM UTC-4, Brian Gregory wrote:
    On 29/07/2021 12:35, Rob wrote:
    Energy is expensive here and a typical radio station cannot pay the 100kW-1MW
    power consumption of an AM transmitter.
    AM transmitters with over 50kW output are not used in the US at all.
    (There were a handful of experimental ones at one stage in the past)

    Yes in Europe higher powers were not uncommon, a few were as high as 1MW.

    There was one 500KW AM station, WLW. It was on 700KHz and it operated under an experimental license, and it was shut down in 1939. I saw the site 30 years later, along with the Bethany Ohio VOA site.

    http://j-hawkins.com/wlw.shtml

    Modern AM broadcast transmitters are a lot more efficient. All solid state, and no separate modulator which operates like a digital audio amplifier. It is built of plug in RF trays that can be hot swapped without shutting down the transmitter. The built
    in computer monitors the operation of each tray, and lets the staff know that a tray has failed, or can email the engineer if he is off site. Harris Broadcast introduced the first generation in the late '80s. Harris used to have white papers on their
    website. You might find them on the 'Wayback Machine' if you want more details.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From David Lesher@21:1/5 to Rob on Wed Sep 1 14:40:04 2021
    Rob <nomail@example.com> writes:

    WLW. It ran 500KW+ in the past, but regulators cut them back to
    the ordinary 50KW level in ~1940.

    The transmitter tubes had 3-phase filiments, if that gives you
    some idea of their size.

    Actually it makes no sense to make an AM (MW) transmitter using tubes
    today. Designs using semiconductors and some switching mode are
    ^^^^^
    3+ times more efficient (mains->antenna) and that is a big difference
    at those powerlevels.

    The transistor had not been invented when WLW's transmitter was built.
    It was decades later before high power FET's appeared. <https://youtu.be/CbHjcwIoTiY>
    --
    A host is a host from coast to coast.................wb8foz@nrk.com
    & no one will talk to a host that's close..........................
    Unless the host (that isn't close).........................pob 1433
    is busy, hung or dead....................................20915-1433

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From David Lesher@21:1/5 to Rob on Wed Sep 1 14:29:39 2021
    Rob <nomail@example.com> writes:

    David Lesher <wb8foz@panix.com> wrote:
    Brian Gregory <void-invalid-dead-dontuse@email.invalid> writes:


    But most cars nowadays only have FM and DAB+ anyway.

    For some reason, Tesla's do not have an AM band.
    I can't imagine why that is...

    You can't? Well I can!

    <https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/satire>
    --
    A host is a host from coast to coast.................wb8foz@nrk.com
    & no one will talk to a host that's close..........................
    Unless the host (that isn't close).........................pob 1433
    is busy, hung or dead....................................20915-1433

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From David Lesher@21:1/5 to Ralph Mowery on Wed Sep 1 14:46:03 2021
    Ralph Mowery <rmowery42@charter.net> writes:

    - interference from motor control

    Probably the interference from the other electronics in the car. Easy
    to eliminate if you just leave the receiver out of the radio.

    I assume you are pulling his leg. Think of the power levels involved
    in the drive motor electronics.

    (You might research what FCC regulations cover electric car RFI.
    You can be sure Musk did...)
    --
    A host is a host from coast to coast.................wb8foz@nrk.com
    & no one will talk to a host that's close..........................
    Unless the host (that isn't close).........................pob 1433
    is busy, hung or dead....................................20915-1433

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Ralph Mowery@21:1/5 to All on Wed Sep 1 11:08:42 2021
    In article <sgo3nb$j7o$2@reader1.panix.com>, wb8foz@panix.com says...

    Probably the interference from the other electronics in the car. Easy
    to eliminate if you just leave the receiver out of the radio.

    I assume you are pulling his leg. Think of the power levels involved
    in the drive motor electronics.

    (You might research what FCC regulations cover electric car RFI.
    You can be sure Musk did...)
    --



    No, not pulling a leg, just guessing.

    Many devices will interfere with AM radios. The FCC has a limit on how
    much is allowed. The car may just produce enough to affect the onboard
    AM radio, but not ones 50 feet away.

    People buying the electric cars probably do not listen to the AM
    stations anyway,but FM and the Sirus radio.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Rob@21:1/5 to David Lesher on Wed Sep 1 17:05:06 2021
    David Lesher <wb8foz@panix.com> wrote:
    Ralph Mowery <rmowery42@charter.net> writes:

    - interference from motor control

    Probably the interference from the other electronics in the car. Easy
    to eliminate if you just leave the receiver out of the radio.

    I assume you are pulling his leg. Think of the power levels involved
    in the drive motor electronics.

    (You might research what FCC regulations cover electric car RFI.
    You can be sure Musk did...)

    I would not at all be surprised when FCC regulations covering RFI
    specify maximum levels that are still way too high to allow reception
    of AM radio in the car itself.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Peter W.@21:1/5 to All on Wed Sep 1 08:19:27 2021
    I would not at all be surprised when FCC regulations covering RFI
    specify maximum levels that are still way too high to allow reception
    of AM radio in the car itself.

    Think it through: A vehicle is a rolling Faraday cage. Even the glass will be from about 0.2% to 0.8% iron, providing some shielding (and why many automobiles have passive cell-phone 'repeaters' for lack of a better word - antenna designed to take cell
    rF to outside the vehicle - both our Ford C-Max & our Subaru Forester are so-equipped). This suggests that a well-designed & shielded AM front-end and an external antenna should do the trick nicely. Yeah-but.

    That would make that AM front-end no longer a trivial 'extra chip' in an already trivial device. And put at least one more step in the glass manufacturing process. Not gonna happen. Note that it is not just the Tesla that has dropped AM - several other
    all-electric vehicles have done the same. Funny thing, however. The C-Max with a (depending on conditions) 15-35 all-electric range does fine in AM.

    Peter Wieck
    Melrose Park, PA

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Rob@21:1/5 to Ralph Mowery on Wed Sep 1 18:17:45 2021
    Ralph Mowery <rmowery42@charter.net> wrote:
    In article <sgo3nb$j7o$2@reader1.panix.com>, wb8foz@panix.com says...

    Probably the interference from the other electronics in the car. Easy
    to eliminate if you just leave the receiver out of the radio.

    I assume you are pulling his leg. Think of the power levels involved
    in the drive motor electronics.

    (You might research what FCC regulations cover electric car RFI.
    You can be sure Musk did...)
    --



    No, not pulling a leg, just guessing.

    Many devices will interfere with AM radios. The FCC has a limit on how
    much is allowed. The car may just produce enough to affect the onboard
    AM radio, but not ones 50 feet away.

    That is what I mean. To know the difference between RFI regulations
    and reasonable AM reception, just ask any radio amateur (as the previous
    poster probably is). The common levels of interference these days,
    likely emitted by fully compliant devices, overwhelm all but the
    strongest signals on frequencies below a couple of MHz.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Ralph Mowery@21:1/5 to All on Wed Sep 1 12:54:14 2021
    In article <slrnsiv9t9.t6m.nomail@xs9.xs4all.nl>, nomail@example.com
    says...

    That is what I mean. To know the difference between RFI regulations
    and reasonable AM reception, just ask any radio amateur (as the previous poster probably is). The common levels of interference these days,
    likely emitted by fully compliant devices, overwhelm all but the
    strongest signals on frequencies below a couple of MHz.



    I am aproching 50 years an a radio amateur. It is not just a couple of
    MHz but even higher. Riding around with a transceiver around 52 MHz and
    some of the fuel pumps and even the stop lights create some noise
    problems. Even some of the lights in homes will cause radio problems.

    The FCC allows a certain amount of unwanted radiation by almost any
    electrical device . I have not kept up with things like that in a long
    time. When the personal computers came out there were some programs
    written where you could sit a radio near the computer and use the
    computer to make music with. The FCC came out with two sets of
    rulings. One for home devices which were stricter than the computers
    used for industries.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From David Lesher@21:1/5 to Ralph Mowery on Wed Sep 1 18:10:19 2021
    Ralph Mowery <rmowery42@charter.net> writes:


    Many devices will interfere with AM radios. The FCC has a limit on how
    much is allowed. The car may just produce enough to affect the onboard
    AM radio, but not ones 50 feet away.

    The FCC regulates emitters/emissions by category. The fun part
    is which one does a car fall under?





    --
    A host is a host from coast to coast.................wb8foz@nrk.com
    & no one will talk to a host that's close..........................
    Unless the host (that isn't close).........................pob 1433
    is busy, hung or dead....................................20915-1433

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Michael Trew@21:1/5 to David Lesher on Wed Sep 1 15:06:37 2021
    On 8/31/2021 12:48 PM, David Lesher wrote:
    Brian Gregory<void-invalid-dead-dontuse@email.invalid> writes:


    But most cars nowadays only have FM and DAB+ anyway.

    For some reason, Tesla's do not have an AM band.
    I can't imagine why that is...


    I rented a new, '20 or '21 Uhaul (GMC Sierra) pickup truck for a day.
    The AM radio is actually incredible; sounds better than it does in any
    of my 20+ year old cars. I was very impressed, it seemed that it
    filtered out lots of static. Distant stations had minimal static
    interference, just the audio went in and out slowly as the station got
    weaker.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Phil Allison@21:1/5 to Ralph Mowery on Wed Sep 1 14:28:58 2021
    Ralph Mowery wrote:
    ==================

    People buying the electric cars probably do not listen to the AM
    stations anyway,but FM and the Sirus radio.

    ** AM radio has a huge advantage at long distance from the Tx.

    But seeing as Teslas cannot do long trips into the countryside.....


    ...... Phil

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Michael Terrell@21:1/5 to Ralph Mowery on Thu Sep 2 04:00:10 2021
    On Wednesday, September 1, 2021 at 12:54:19 PM UTC-4, Ralph Mowery wrote:
    In article <slrnsiv9t9...@xs9.xs4all.nl>, nom...@example.com
    says...

    That is what I mean. To know the difference between RFI regulations
    and reasonable AM reception, just ask any radio amateur (as the previous poster probably is). The common levels of interference these days,
    likely emitted by fully compliant devices, overwhelm all but the
    strongest signals on frequencies below a couple of MHz.


    I am aproching 50 years an a radio amateur. It is not just a couple of
    MHz but even higher. Riding around with a transceiver around 52 MHz and
    some of the fuel pumps and even the stop lights create some noise
    problems. Even some of the lights in homes will cause radio problems.

    There are some traffic lights around here that you can hear change colors from almost a mile away. The noise is coupled into the power lines feeding a substation, and it is re radiated from them. Basically a carrier current noise source from a poorly
    filtered SMPS. The high failure rate of the LED lamps in the traffic lights has more being switched back to lower efficiency, extra long life incandescent bulbs. Just about every LED light you see has one or more clusters of dead LEDs, in spite of some
    people's claim that they do not fail..

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Chris Jones@21:1/5 to Phil Allison on Thu Sep 2 22:42:50 2021
    On 01/09/2021 08:11, Phil Allison wrote:
    Rob the Imbecile wrote:
    ==================

    For some reason, Tesla's do not have an AM band.
    I can't imagine why that is...

    You can't? Well I can!
    - not useful in large parts of the world

    ** Choke, choke ???
    WTF is this idiot on ?


    - interference from motor control

    ** Obvious reason.
    AM radio simply does not work satisfactorily in their wacky contraptions.

    I thought that was the reason, so I tried it with a Walkman-type AM
    radio inside the car, and the reception was actually very good. I
    couldn't hear any significant interference, even with the motor
    operating - admittedly just gentle driving. Perhaps with a station on a
    more unlucky frequency it wouldn't work so well, or at least not quite
    well enough for the fussiest of customers.

    Since AM radio is used for emergency info in Australia, if the car
    doesn't have AM radio built in then it might make sense to keep a cheap
    pocket AM radio in the car for the possiblilty that there is no cellular
    or DAB reception (both of which provide the same stations in normal
    times, but which might not work during a real emergency).

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Peter W.@21:1/5 to All on Thu Sep 2 05:49:18 2021
    But seeing as Teslas cannot do long trips into the countryside.....

    Maybe down-under. Around here, one is seldom more than 15 miles from a charger. At our summer house (north-central part of Pennsyltucky) there are three within 7 miles. This, by the way, is Ford F150 country.

    https://www.tesla.com/findus?v=2&bounds=54.35365127015694%2C-57.079102750000004%2C21.879812748944772%2C-141.45410275&zoom=5&filters=store%2Cservice%2Csupercharger%2Cdestination%20charger%2Cbodyshop

    Note also that a Tesla carries an on-board charger as well, meaning that it may be plugged in to any standard 120V or 240V receptacle (Slow & Medium Charge), or to a 240V, 100A heavy duty pin-and-sleeve receptacle for a very fast charge.

    Be careful with your 'cannot'. Absolute statements are typically absolutely wrong.

    Peter Wieck
    Melrose Park, PA

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Phil Allison@21:1/5 to Chris Jones Retard on Thu Sep 2 05:52:46 2021
    Chris Jones Retard wrote:
    ----------------------------------------

    ** Obvious reason.
    AM radio simply does not work satisfactorily in their wacky contraptions.

    I thought that was the reason, so I tried it with a Walkman-type AM
    radio inside the car,

    ** Regular AM portable radios barely work inside steel body cars.

    Why the fuck to ALL car radios have* external* antennas ??


    Since AM radio is used for emergency info in Australia, if the car
    doesn't have AM radio built in then it might make sense to keep a cheap pocket AM radio in the car

    ** Bollocks.


    .... Phil

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From ohger1s@gmail.com@21:1/5 to palli...@gmail.com on Thu Sep 2 06:41:14 2021
    On Wednesday, September 1, 2021 at 5:29:01 PM UTC-4, palli...@gmail.com wrote:
    Ralph Mowery wrote:
    ==================

    People buying the electric cars probably do not listen to the AM
    stations anyway,but FM and the Sirus radio.
    ** AM radio has a huge advantage at long distance from the Tx.

    But seeing as Teslas cannot do long trips into the countryside.....


    ...... Phil

    Depends where you are. I know the Supercharger network is not widespread in your area, but it's very widespread in Europe and available nearly everywhere in the states. A Tesla will run for over 4 hours on a charge at highway speeds, and there is never
    a charger more than 15 minutes away anywhere in the Northeast U.S.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Rob@21:1/5 to Michael Terrell on Thu Sep 2 15:37:10 2021
    Michael Terrell <terrell.michael.a@gmail.com> wrote:
    On Wednesday, September 1, 2021 at 12:54:19 PM UTC-4, Ralph Mowery wrote:
    In article <slrnsiv9t9...@xs9.xs4all.nl>, nom...@example.com
    says...

    That is what I mean. To know the difference between RFI regulations
    and reasonable AM reception, just ask any radio amateur (as the previous >> > poster probably is). The common levels of interference these days,
    likely emitted by fully compliant devices, overwhelm all but the
    strongest signals on frequencies below a couple of MHz.


    I am aproching 50 years an a radio amateur. It is not just a couple of
    MHz but even higher. Riding around with a transceiver around 52 MHz and
    some of the fuel pumps and even the stop lights create some noise
    problems. Even some of the lights in homes will cause radio problems.

    There are some traffic lights around here that you can hear change colors from almost a mile away. The noise is coupled into the power lines feeding a substation, and it is re radiated from them. Basically a carrier current noise source from a poorly
    filtered SMPS. The high failure rate of the LED lamps in the traffic lights has more being switched back to lower efficiency, extra long life incandescent bulbs. Just about every LED light you see has one or more clusters of dead LEDs, in spite of some
    people's claim that they do not fail..

    We even have a brand of traffic light systems that emit a carrier
    (some clock crystal) with a harmonic that interferes with the local
    70cm repeater on 430.125 MHz. When you stop at certain traffic lights,
    you get a whining noise on a receiver tuned to the repeater because it
    isn't exactly the same frequency. But the range is only some 25-50m.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Chris Jones@21:1/5 to Phil Allison on Thu Sep 2 23:38:09 2021
    On 02/09/2021 22:52, Phil Allison wrote:
    Chris Jones Retard wrote:
    Come on, you used to put much more effort into your insults!

    ----------------------------------------

    ** Obvious reason.
    AM radio simply does not work satisfactorily in their wacky contraptions. >>
    I thought that was the reason, so I tried it with a Walkman-type AM
    radio inside the car,

    ** Regular AM portable radios barely work inside steel body cars.

    Why the fuck to ALL car radios have* external* antennas ??

    I didn't expect it to work, I expected to hear interference and not much signal. Admittedly the transmitter was only a few tens of km away, but
    that is the situation that I was interested in.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Peter W.@21:1/5 to All on Thu Sep 2 06:51:23 2021
    ** Regular AM portable radios barely work inside steel body cars.
    Those of us who carry a portable radio for emergency purpose while on long trips tend not to carry a 'regular' radio. In our case, it will be either a Siemens RK-747, or a Grundig YB500. It is an interesting phenomenon that we are more often outside of
    Cell range than AM Radio range. But either of the two mentioned above do just fine inside a vehicle, running or inert.

    Why the fuck to ALL car radios have* external* antennas ??
    Because, at least today, they must serve many masters - including AM/FM/Satellite/GPS & Cell Phone syncing. Our 2005 Volvo XC70 without sync and navigation/GPS had all the various functions laminated into the windshield. No shark-fin,

    Peter Wieck
    Melrose Park, PA

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Phil Allison@21:1/5 to ohg...@gmail.com on Thu Sep 2 06:53:37 2021
    ohg...@gmail.com wrote:
    =======================

    Depends where you are. I know the Supercharger network is not widespread in your area,
    but it's very widespread in Europe and available nearly everywhere in the states.
    A Tesla will run for over 4 hours on a charge at highway speeds,
    and there is never a charger more than 15 minutes away anywhere in the Northeast U.S.


    ** So there is simply NO countryside in the NE of the US ????

    Tesla FREAKOIDS MORONS are the BIGGEST FUCKING LIARS on the planet.




    .... Phil

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Phil Allison@21:1/5 to All on Thu Sep 2 06:56:30 2021
    Peter Wanker is a LYING CUNT !!! .

    ** Regular AM portable radios barely work inside steel body cars.

    Those of us who carry a portable radio for emergency purpose while on long trips tend not to carry a 'regular' radio.

    ** Fuck of you ravng stinking LOONEY !!f

    Why the fuck to ALL car radios have* external* antennas ??

    Because, at least today, they must serve many masters

    ** FYI you VILE, ASD FUCKED, NARCISSISTIC CUNT !!

    Cars have ALWAYS used external antennas !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!





    ..... Phil

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Peter W.@21:1/5 to All on Thu Sep 2 07:06:20 2021
    ** So there is simply NO countryside in the NE of the US ????

    Look at the map linked above. There are vast areas of 'countryside' outside of the North East. Also pretty well served. DO ALSO understand the concept of an 'on board' charger. We were, recently, in St. Ignace. MI. The nearest Tesla charger per the map
    is across the straits in Mackinaw City - however, our hotel had two (2) pin & sleeve receptacles and one (1) Bosch EV800 station in the parking lot. This in a tiny Michigan tourist town. I am sure it was not the only one.

    You are given to absolute (and wrong) statements. And when called on it, you spin like an Iranian centrifuge. Very, very sad.

    Peter Wieck
    Melrose Park, PA

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From ohger1s@gmail.com@21:1/5 to palli...@gmail.com on Thu Sep 2 10:54:49 2021
    On Thursday, September 2, 2021 at 9:53:40 AM UTC-4, palli...@gmail.com wrote:
    ohg...@gmail.com wrote:
    =======================

    Depends where you are. I know the Supercharger network is not widespread in your area,
    but it's very widespread in Europe and available nearly everywhere in the states.
    A Tesla will run for over 4 hours on a charge at highway speeds,
    and there is never a charger more than 15 minutes away anywhere in the Northeast U.S.

    ** So there is simply NO countryside in the NE of the US ????

    Sure there is open countryside, but a typical standard range Tesla has a real world range of over 200 miles, and long range versions are close to 300 miles. There is LITERALLY no place in the Northeast U.S. that one can drive more than 50 miles tops
    that without being in range of a charging station. Take a look at this map:

    https://tesla-cdn.thron.com/delivery/public/image/tesla/f5cf574f-b9bb-438b-8b89-8d5af9d573b2/bvlatuR/std/2880x1620/Supercharger-Locations-Hero-Desktop-NA

    And that map is just the *Supercharging* network. There are also far more slower "destination" chargers available almost anywhere, such as shopping plazas, hotels, highway rest stops, etc. Many of those are even free.

    If you can somehow manage ignore the car's constant badgering to reroute to a charging station when you start getting low in range, you can literally plug in anywhere there's an AC outlet although that's a pretty slow way to charge.

    Perhaps the "Tesla Freakoid Morons" are not lying - it is you who is simply wrong.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Phil Allison@21:1/5 to ohg...@gmail.com on Thu Sep 2 16:12:41 2021
    ohg...@gmail.com wrote:
    ====================

    ** So there is simply NO countryside in the NE of the US ????

    Sure there is open countryside,

    ** Not what I originally posted.

    " ... seeing as Teslas cannot do long trips into the countryside..... "

    My idea apploes, not you fucked up one.


    but a typical standard range Tesla has a real world range of over 200 miles,

    ** So about 1/4 that of a real car which of course can be refueled in minutes with no special facility needed.

    Perhaps the "Tesla Freakoid Morons" are not lying - it is you who is simply wrong.

    ** You are LYING you head off right now.
    Freakoid.



    ..... Phil

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Phil Allison@21:1/5 to Peter Wanker Total Nut Case on Thu Sep 2 16:06:50 2021
    Peter Wanker Total Nut Case wrote: ------------------------------------------------------

    ** So there is simply NO countryside in the NE of the US ????

    ** This is what I actually wrote but has been snipped by fucking assholes. -----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    ** AM radio has a huge advantage at long distance from the Tx.
    But seeing as Teslas cannot do long trips into the countryside..... -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

    ** Now I live in Australia which has vast unpopulated areas.
    No probs with a IC car with say 800 miles range.
    Refueling takes only a few minutes.
    So an IC car get will you anywhere there are roads.
    Not such thing possible with a stupid Tesla toy car.

    A "long distance " from a Tx is IMO 200 miles or more.
    Way beyond FM range.

    BTW The Peter Wanker fuckwit has never posted a true fact in his whole life.,


    ...... Phil

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Peter W.@21:1/5 to All on Fri Sep 3 02:40:06 2021
    ..... Phil

    You have no conception of how silly you are, do you?

    Peter Wieck
    Melrose Park, PA

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Phil Allison@21:1/5 to Peter W. on Fri Sep 3 02:45:18 2021
    Peter W. wrote:
    ============


    You have no conception of how silly you are, do you?

    ** You were not conceived at all - a lizard pooped you out.


    Peter Wieck ...

    ** Geriatric, radio ham & psychopath.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Peter W.@21:1/5 to All on Fri Sep 3 08:33:06 2021
    Revise "Silly" to "Stupid".

    Silly can be fixed, stupid cannot. Even with good medication.

    Phil, your position as Village Idiot is secure. You need not try so hard.

    Peter Wieck
    Melrose Park, PA

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From ohger1s@gmail.com@21:1/5 to palli...@gmail.com on Fri Sep 3 10:26:41 2021
    On Thursday, September 2, 2021 at 7:12:44 PM UTC-4, palli...@gmail.com wrote:
    ohg...@gmail.com wrote:
    ====================

    ** So there is simply NO countryside in the NE of the US ????

    Sure there is open countryside,
    ** Not what I originally posted.

    Yeah you did. You even quoted yourself where you asked if there was countryside... Wow.


    " ... seeing as Teslas cannot do long trips into the countryside..... "

    My idea apploes, not you fucked up one.

    I still don't get your point - and it's not due to the bad syntax and spelling. My S can go 265 miles minimum before needing refueling. A trip more than 265 miles is something more than just a "trip into the countryside" by most folk's definition. My
    car will run over 4.5 hours at highway speeds on a single charge, 6 hours on country back roads, and over 10 hours in urban areas. Is that a lie? Ask anyone who owns a Tesla. Never mind, you wouldn't believe them anyway.

    Honestly, even with my gas SUV, my wife and I usually stop every 3 or 4 for coffee, lunch, stretch our legs, a trip too the loo, etc.. My AWD Mazda truck has a range of 230 miles in the city, and about 260 on the highway. To get 800 miles range like
    you claimed, I would need a puddle jumper with diesel, or maybe a three wheeled micro car, or something that had a sail.. something I'd rather not have to travel in.

    I noticed that you conveniently left out your comment on the supercharging map I linked which PROVED my comment that there is literally no place in the Northeast U.S. that is more than 50 miles from a supercharger (probably more like 20) and I don't know
    how many regular charging ports in almost every shopping mall, places of business, many restaurants, highway stops, schools, etc. That is also a lie?


    but a typical standard range Tesla has a real world range of over 200 miles,
    ** So about 1/4 that of a real car which of course can be refueled in minutes with no special facility needed.


    What? No special facility needed? Around these parts, we can't keep gasoline at home in any significant quantity. We don't have the option of fueling our gas cars at home like we do with our EVs - we have to actually drive our gas cars to some remote
    facility specifically built to dispense gasoline that is stored in (hopefully) waterproof underground tanks using a pumping system designed and built to do this safely. These facilities also have elaborate fire suppression systems installed over every
    pump. The upside is that these facilities have 3 day old hot dogs and something they call "pizza" available to buy.

    Contrast that to EVs which are plugged in at home. Home is what I would call a "no special facility".

    ** You are LYING you head off right now.

    No Phil, just because you can't understand the advantages that an EV offers doesn't change these facts into lies. I was 100% factually correct.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Phil Allison@21:1/5 to All on Fri Sep 3 16:01:15 2021
    Michael Spew Troll puked :
    ======================

    You have no conception of how silly you are, do you?

    ** You were not conceived at all - a lizard pooped you out.

    Peter Wieck ...

    ** Geriatric, radio ham& psychopath.

    Your posts are beyond obnoxious to read.

    ** My posts are all fucking brilliant.

    But this NG is infested with total idiots- like you.

    Weaky IS a reptile.


    ...... Phil

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Michael Trew@21:1/5 to Phil Allison on Fri Sep 3 18:33:50 2021
    On 9/3/2021 5:45 AM, Phil Allison wrote:
    Peter W. wrote:
    ============


    You have no conception of how silly you are, do you?

    ** You were not conceived at all - a lizard pooped you out.


    Peter Wieck ...

    ** Geriatric, radio ham& psychopath.


    Your posts are beyond obnoxious to read.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Phil Allison@21:1/5 to ohg...@gmail.com on Fri Sep 3 16:14:46 2021
    ohg...@gmail.com wrote:
    ====================

    ** So there is simply NO countryside in the NE of the US ????

    Sure there is open countryside,
    ** Not what I originally posted.
    " ... seeing as Teslas cannot do long trips into the countryside..... "

    My idea applies, not your fucked up one.

    I still don't get your point

    ** Try reading it - shithead - and not snipping it down to YOUR puny> size.

    My S can go 265 miles minimum before needing refueling

    ** The Toyata Prius does 600 + on one tank.
    But that is no range limit, actual driving range is UNLIMITED !!.

    A trip more than 265 miles is something more than just a "trip into the countryside"

    ** No, " ....* long* trips into the countryside " and of course the ability to return.
    With an ICE car the distance is unlimited long as there are roads,

    I noticed that you conveniently left out your comment on the supercharging map

    ** No even faintly relevant.

    but a typical standard range Tesla has a real world range of over 200 miles,
    ** So about 1/4 that of a real car which of course can be refueled in minutes with no special facility needed.

    What? No special facility needed?

    ** FFS there is nothing *special* about seeing a petrol bowser ( pump in US lingo) by the roadside.

    Contrast that to EVs which are plugged in at home. Home is what I would call a "no special facility".

    ** Massive irrelevancy to *long* trips into the countryside.

    No Phil, just because you can't understand the advantages that an EV
    offers doesn't change these facts into lies. I was 100% factually correct.


    ** You are one MASSIVE, BULLSHITTING, FUCKING LIAR

    IOW a typical nut case Tesla owner.



    .... Phil

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From ohger1s@gmail.com@21:1/5 to All on Sat Sep 4 07:16:09 2021
    ** The Toyata Prius does 600 + on one tank.
    But that is no range limit, actual driving range is UNLIMITED !!.

    I have a Prius. I put a mowing deck on it and I do my yard with it... It's almost like a real car in many ways. Some people actually drive them on roads..
    But what it *doesn't* have is unlimited range. It has to be refueled when it runs out of gas otherwise it just stops. My Tesla also has to refueled when it runs out of charge or it will stop. Both are easily refueled before that happens though. If your
    definition of "unlimited" range means it can be refueled, then both the Prius and Tesla have unlimited range as there are gas stations and EV chargers everywhere.

    Or does your logic (?) suggest that a car that takes 5 minutes to refuel has unlimited range but a car that takes 15 minutes (to add 200 miles) doesn't?

    A trip more than 265 miles is something more than just a "trip into the countryside"
    ** No, " ....* long* trips into the countryside " and of course the ability to return.

    Again, you just can't seem to grasp the obvious: my Tesla can be refueled even on a "trip to the countryside" (whatever that means), even a *long* trip. I just have to stop after 4.5 hours, something I do anyway with my Mazda. Superchargers everywhere.
    Gas stations everywhere.


    With an ICE car the distance is unlimited long as there are roads,

    Again, my Tesla range is also unlimited as long as I keep my Tesla on the road.


    I noticed that you conveniently left out your comment on the supercharging map
    ** No even faintly relevant.

    But it is relevant. Your whole argument is based on your impression my Tesla can only venture 135 miles away from my house with just enough energy to return. I can go 265 miles then refuel, the same as my Mazda which has the same range as my S. The map
    I cited shows there are superchargers everywhere in the U.S. for my Tesla in the same way there are gas stations available for my Mazda SUV. And you know what? More superchargers are added every day. Many businesses even add them to their employee
    parking lots.



    Contrast that to EVs which are plugged in at home. Home is what I would call a "no special facility".
    ** Massive irrelevancy to *long* trips into the countryside.

    Again, you seem to be unaware that there are EV charging stations everywhere that refuel EVs in the same manner that there are gas stations.
    But in three years, I've only visited a charging station twice: my wife and I went on vacation with the S and stopped after 4 hours to refuel - on the way out and on the way home. It took 20 minutes while we had a quick lunch and visited the restrooms.
    I put several hundred miles on the S during the two weeks and recharged for free at the hotel every 5 days and once before we left.

    The irony is that the Tesla and EV bashers will be dealing with dwindling gas refueling stations as more EVs are sold and gas cars get junked. The small stations will close leaving the big chain stations. Some car companies plan to stop all petroleum
    fueled vehicles in 10-20 years. There'll be far more EV chargers than gas stations before you know it.

    ** You are one MASSIVE, BULLSHITTING, FUCKING LIAR

    The meds aren't working anymore Phil - your internet Tourettes is acting up again. Time to adjust your medication.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Phil Allison@21:1/5 to ohg...@gmail.com on Sat Sep 4 14:31:47 2021
    ohg...@gmail.com wrote:
    ===================

    ** The Toyata Prius does 600 + on one tank.
    But that is no range limit, actual driving range is UNLIMITED !!.

    I have a Prius. I put a mowing deck on it and I do my yard with it... It's almost like a real car in many ways.
    Some people actually drive them on roads..

    ** That's enough.
    I'm no longer prepared to deal with a RAVING NUT CASE.

    The word "liar" does not come anywhere near describing frothing at the mouth fanatics like this.
    FOAD


    ...... Phil

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Peter W.@21:1/5 to All on Mon Sep 6 07:42:18 2021
    We have Silly.
    We have Stupid.
    Now we must add Pathetic.

    Quick question, Phil: If you are so smart, why aren't you rich?

    Peter Wieck
    Melrose Park, PA

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Phil Allison@21:1/5 to Peter Wanker is an utter ASSHOLE on Mon Sep 6 16:27:32 2021
    Peter Wanker is an utter ASSHOLE wrote:

    --------------------------------------------------------------

    Quick question, Phil: If you are so smart, why aren't you rich?

    ** Cos way too many greedy, ruthless & dishonest folk have it.

    FOAD you stinking pig.


    ...... Phil

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Phil Allison@21:1/5 to All on Tue Sep 7 04:51:40 2021
    Peter Wanker is a Nut Care Asshole wrote: -----------------------------------------------------------------------

    ** Cos way too many greedy, ruthless & dishonest folk have it.

    Kinda-sorta suggests that you should fit right in, does it not?

    ** It suggests the *direct opposite* - you fucking MORON

    BTW:

    Feeling a bit ill today, tired, fevery and achy ?
    Finding it hard to breathe ?

    Covid is a bitch at your age.


    ...... Phil

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Peter W.@21:1/5 to All on Tue Sep 7 04:34:22 2021
    ** Cos way too many greedy, ruthless & dishonest folk have it.

    Kinda-sorta suggests that you should fit right in, does it not?

    Peter Wieck
    Melrose Park, PA

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From ohger1s@gmail.com@21:1/5 to Peter W. on Tue Sep 7 06:57:27 2021
    On Monday, September 6, 2021 at 10:42:21 AM UTC-4, Peter W. wrote:
    We have Silly.
    We have Stupid.
    Now we must add Pathetic.

    Quick question, Phil: If you are so smart, why aren't you rich?
    Peter Wieck
    Melrose Park, PA

    You're going to feel mighty silly when Phil does become rich. In fact, he will be Philthy rich as soon as he can get his prototype "unlimited range" over-unity Prius running..

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Peter W.@21:1/5 to ohg...@gmail.com on Tue Sep 7 07:59:45 2021
    On Tuesday, September 7, 2021 at 9:57:30 AM UTC-4, ohg...@gmail.com wrote:
    On Monday, September 6, 2021 at 10:42:21 AM UTC-4, Peter W. wrote:
    We have Silly.
    We have Stupid.
    Now we must add Pathetic.

    Quick question, Phil: If you are so smart, why aren't you rich?
    Peter Wieck
    Melrose Park, PA
    You're going to feel mighty silly when Phil does become rich. In fact, he will be Philthy rich as soon as he can get his prototype "unlimited range" over-unity Prius running..

    Interesting-if-true. I doubt if the Drongo from Down-Under has a driver's license, much less a vehicle of any nature with the possible exception of a
    spavined two-or-three wheeler... At the same time, were he not obsessed with counting pennies and imagined slights, it may improve his mood, So, more 'power' to him.

    Peter Wieck
    Melroes Park, PA

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Guy Patterson@21:1/5 to Peter W. on Wed Sep 8 12:45:30 2021
    On Tuesday, September 7, 2021 at 10:59:48 AM UTC-4, Peter W. wrote:
    On Tuesday, September 7, 2021 at 9:57:30 AM UTC-4, ohg...@gmail.com wrote:
    On Monday, September 6, 2021 at 10:42:21 AM UTC-4, Peter W. wrote:
    We have Silly.
    We have Stupid.
    Now we must add Pathetic.

    Quick question, Phil: If you are so smart, why aren't you rich?
    Peter Wieck
    Melrose Park, PA
    You're going to feel mighty silly when Phil does become rich. In fact, he will be Philthy rich as soon as he can get his prototype "unlimited range" over-unity Prius running..
    Interesting-if-true. I doubt if the Drongo from Down-Under has a driver's license, much less a vehicle of any nature with the possible exception of a
    spavined two-or-three wheeler... At the same time, were he not obsessed with counting pennies and imagined slights, it may improve his mood, So, more 'power' to him.

    Peter Wieck
    Melroes Park, PA

    ha!, had to google drongo. I'm guessing you're going by the slang and not the bird although I guess either would fit phil.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)