• mystery fragrance

    From RichD@21:1/5 to All on Tue Oct 6 10:37:04 2020
    Yesterday I was visiting in a hospital. While there,
    I made use of a plumbing facility. The room smelled of root beer.

    Explain -

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    Rich

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  • From Dean@21:1/5 to RichD on Tue Oct 6 11:37:53 2020
    On Tuesday, October 6, 2020 at 1:37:08 PM UTC-4, RichD wrote:
    Yesterday I was visiting in a hospital. While there,
    I made use of a plumbing facility. The room smelled of root beer.

    Explain -

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    Rich
    Someone poured their warm root beer down the drain.

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  • From RichD@21:1/5 to Dean on Wed Oct 7 15:27:18 2020
    On October 6, Dean wrote:
    Yesterday I was visiting in a hospital. While there,
    I made use of a plumbing facility. The room smelled of root beer.

    Someone poured their warm root beer down the drain.

    Is there such a thing as antiseptic gas?


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    Rich

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  • From Martin Brown@21:1/5 to RichD on Thu Oct 8 08:37:02 2020
    On 07/10/2020 23:27, RichD wrote:
    On October 6, Dean wrote:
    Yesterday I was visiting in a hospital. While there,
    I made use of a plumbing facility. The room smelled of root beer.

    Someone poured their warm root beer down the drain.

    Is there such a thing as antiseptic gas?

    Lister's phenol comes pretty close. You can smell it very easily.

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    Regards,
    Martin Brown

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  • From dlzc@21:1/5 to RichD on Thu Oct 8 07:23:29 2020
    On Wednesday, October 7, 2020 at 3:27:21 PM UTC-7, RichD wrote:
    On October 6, Dean wrote:
    Yesterday I was visiting in a hospital. While there,
    I made use of a plumbing facility. The room smelled of root beer.

    Someone poured their warm root beer down the drain.

    Is there such a thing as antiseptic gas?

    I was in a Fry's grocery store the other day, and smelled something like a cross between cinnamon and root beer by the registers. There are a number of hand soaps (so maybe sanitzers) that have a spicy smell like this. We brought a bunch of scented
    hand sanitzers to the nurses (two years ago), most of those were floral however.

    There is a used bookstore near me that runs their ozone generator on their air handler year around now, not just during winter, with COVID-19. Might be a whopping 0.05 to 0.07 ppm in places.

    David A. Smith

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  • From Dean@21:1/5 to dlzc on Thu Oct 8 10:43:04 2020
    On Thursday, October 8, 2020 at 10:23:34 AM UTC-4, dlzc wrote:
    On Wednesday, October 7, 2020 at 3:27:21 PM UTC-7, RichD wrote:
    On October 6, Dean wrote:
    Yesterday I was visiting in a hospital. While there,
    I made use of a plumbing facility. The room smelled of root beer.

    Someone poured their warm root beer down the drain.

    Is there such a thing as antiseptic gas?
    I was in a Fry's grocery store the other day, and smelled something like a cross between cinnamon and root beer by the registers. There are a number of hand soaps (so maybe sanitzers) that have a spicy smell like this. We brought a bunch of scented
    hand sanitzers to the nurses (two years ago), most of those were floral however.

    There is a used bookstore near me that runs their ozone generator on their air handler year around now, not just during winter, with COVID-19. Might be a whopping 0.05 to 0.07 ppm in places.

    David A. Smith
    That's fairly high ozone levels. You would think folks would find that annoying. Ozone is not a pleasant odor.

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  • From dlzc@21:1/5 to Dean on Thu Oct 8 11:26:26 2020
    Dear Dean:

    On Thursday, October 8, 2020 at 10:43:07 AM UTC-7, Dean wrote:
    ...
    That's fairly high ozone levels.

    For a home. But workplaces occasionally get as high as 0.1 ppm.

    You would think folks would find that annoying.
    Ozone is not a pleasant odor.

    Ozone-in-air is nasty (makes a little NOx too). Ozone-in-oxygen is a little "sweeter". And either can trigger an asthma attack, headaches, and anemia.

    I took a shot of 12wt% ozone into my nose once, the shock made me whiff it in. Was wiped out for hours. Low gas flow, never sure if it is making ozone or not...

    David A. Smith

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  • From Peter Jason@21:1/5 to r_delaney2001@yahoo.com on Fri Oct 9 12:46:08 2020
    On Tue, 6 Oct 2020 10:37:04 -0700 (PDT), RichD
    <r_delaney2001@yahoo.com> wrote:

    Yesterday I was visiting in a hospital. While there,
    I made use of a plumbing facility. The room smelled of root beer.

    Explain -

    The flavor & fragrance industry is worth billions.
    You can buy hamburger fragrance in a spray can (if you flip
    hamburgers) and sometimes they use too much.
    Restaurants can enhance their foods with canned fragrances/flavors and
    the poor customer is none the wiser.
    Root beer may be enhanced with vanilla and similar.

    Perhaps they flushed a failed batch?

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  • From Dean@21:1/5 to dlzc on Fri Oct 9 04:46:40 2020
    On Thursday, October 8, 2020 at 2:26:29 PM UTC-4, dlzc wrote:
    Dear Dean:

    On Thursday, October 8, 2020 at 10:43:07 AM UTC-7, Dean wrote:
    ...
    That's fairly high ozone levels.
    For a home. But workplaces occasionally get as high as 0.1 ppm.
    You would think folks would find that annoying.
    Ozone is not a pleasant odor.
    Ozone-in-air is nasty (makes a little NOx too). Ozone-in-oxygen is a little "sweeter". And either can trigger an asthma attack, headaches, and anemia.

    I took a shot of 12wt% ozone into my nose once, the shock made me whiff it in. Was wiped out for hours. Low gas flow, never sure if it is making ozone or not...

    David A. Smith

    Hi David,

    I am well acquainted with ozone in my workplace. We use UV lamps to cure coatings and inks. The lamps are very good at generating ozone as a byproduct. Every now and then, the exhaust ducting would fail and operators would begin to complain about
    headaches, eye irritation and itchiness. One trip to the affected area tells me immediately what the problem is. We've measured levels from 0.08 (max recommended over 8 hours) to 1.5 ppm (nasty). Shutting down the lamps and getting maintenance to fix
    the exhaust is an easy solution.

    Dean

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  • From dlzc@21:1/5 to Dean on Fri Oct 9 07:47:27 2020
    Dear Dean:

    On Friday, October 9, 2020 at 4:46:43 AM UTC-7, Dean wrote:
    ...
    I am well acquainted with ozone in my workplace.
    We use UV lamps to cure coatings and inks. The
    lamps are very good at generating ozone as a
    byproduct. Every now and then, the exhaust
    ducting would fail and operators would begin to
    complain about headaches, eye irritation and
    itchiness.

    The last two symptoms are probably NOx, more than ozone...

    One trip to the affected area tells me immediately
    what the problem is. We've measured levels from
    0.08 (max recommended over 8 hours) to 1.5 ppm (nasty).

    ... yes, it is amazing that your nose can "get used to" fairly high levels, and not send out a warning.

    Shutting down the lamps and getting maintenance
    to fix the exhaust is an easy solution.

    Yes, I make ozone into water equipment, I just did not want to act like it was safe to breathe.

    Not trying to claim you did not know what you were talking about. Just nice to discuss actual "chemistry" here for a change.

    David A. Smith

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  • From Dean@21:1/5 to dlzc on Mon Oct 12 08:25:10 2020
    On Friday, October 9, 2020 at 10:47:30 AM UTC-4, dlzc wrote:
    Dear Dean:
    On Friday, October 9, 2020 at 4:46:43 AM UTC-7, Dean wrote:
    ...
    I am well acquainted with ozone in my workplace.
    We use UV lamps to cure coatings and inks. The
    lamps are very good at generating ozone as a
    byproduct. Every now and then, the exhaust
    ducting would fail and operators would begin to
    complain about headaches, eye irritation and
    itchiness.
    The last two symptoms are probably NOx, more than ozone...
    One trip to the affected area tells me immediately
    what the problem is. We've measured levels from
    0.08 (max recommended over 8 hours) to 1.5 ppm (nasty).
    ... yes, it is amazing that your nose can "get used to" fairly high levels, and not send out a warning.
    Shutting down the lamps and getting maintenance
    to fix the exhaust is an easy solution.
    Yes, I make ozone into water equipment, I just did not want to act like it was safe to breathe.

    Not trying to claim you did not know what you were talking about. Just nice to discuss actual "chemistry" here for a change.

    David A. Smith
    Hi David, yes it is nice to have actual chemistry in here! We had air sampling done and results showed no NOx. We did see a few ppm of N-vinyl pyrrolidinone which is a component in one of the coatings we use. That prompted us to add extra ventilation
    and a bit more enclosure. We've been lobbying to replace the NVP for a few years now but cost (the almighty $) keeps rearing it's head. I suspect it'll be forced on us as NVP will probably be banned here in the near future.

    Cheers

    Dean

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