No new posts have appeared in talk.origins for over 24 hours. This is
an exceptional situation.
In the past, I assumed dgr...@gmail.com was a legitimate address to
notify Greig. However, the last time I posted to that address, Google reported that mailbox was full.
The last T.O. post from Greig used dgr...@beagle.ediacara.org. IIUC
the Beagle Usenet server and mail server are the same physical device.
If so, both would go down at the same time, and so that address would
be useless for notifying Greig that Beagle requires a vist from the
vet.
On the possibility Greig has forwarded/echoed these addresses to
another mail server, I have posted a notice to both. However, if
somebody from S.B.P has a known good method for contacting Greig, or
if Greig is an S.B.P. lurker, I hope this post will serve as notice.
On Friday, July 29, 2022 at 12:07:02 PM UTC-7, 69jp...@gmail.com wrote:
No new posts have appeared in talk.origins for over 24 hours. This is
an exceptional situation.
In the past, I assumed dgr...@gmail.com was a legitimate address to
notify Greig. However, the last time I posted to that address, Google reported that mailbox was full.
The last T.O. post from Greig used dgr...@beagle.ediacara.org. IIUC
the Beagle Usenet server and mail server are the same physical device.
If so, both would go down at the same time, and so that address would
be useless for notifying Greig that Beagle requires a vist from the
vet.
On the possibility Greig has forwarded/echoed these addresses toI just tried another address that sometimes has worked.
another mail server, I have posted a notice to both. However, if
somebody from S.B.P has a known good method for contacting Greig, or
if Greig is an S.B.P. lurker, I hope this post will serve as notice.
On Friday, July 29, 2022 at 12:33:59 PM UTC-7, erik simpson wrote:
On Friday, July 29, 2022 at 12:07:02 PM UTC-7, 69jp...@gmail.com wrote:
No new posts have appeared in talk.origins for over 24 hours. This is
an exceptional situation.
In the past, I assumed dgr...@gmail.com was a legitimate address to notify Greig. However, the last time I posted to that address, Google reported that mailbox was full.
The last T.O. post from Greig used dgr...@beagle.ediacara.org. IIUC
the Beagle Usenet server and mail server are the same physical device.
If so, both would go down at the same time, and so that address would
be useless for notifying Greig that Beagle requires a vist from the
vet.
From DIG:On the possibility Greig has forwarded/echoed these addresses toI just tried another address that sometimes has worked.
another mail server, I have posted a notice to both. However, if
somebody from S.B.P has a known good method for contacting Greig, or
if Greig is an S.B.P. lurker, I hope this post will serve as notice.
"oh its down haaaard
its in AWS and not chatting"
Assuming AWS stands for "Amazon Web Services", it may be a cloudy day. On the other hand
it may stand for "Autonomous Weapon Systems" or "Australian Whale Sanctuary".
On Friday, July 29, 2022 at 12:33:59 PM UTC-7, erik simpson wrote:
On Friday, July 29, 2022 at 12:07:02 PM UTC-7, 69jp...@gmail.com wrote:
No new posts have appeared in talk.origins for over 24 hours. This isI just tried another address that sometimes has worked.
an exceptional situation.
In the past, I assumed dgr...@gmail.com was a legitimate address to
notify Greig. However, the last time I posted to that address, Google
reported that mailbox was full.
The last T.O. post from Greig used dgr...@beagle.ediacara.org. IIUC
the Beagle Usenet server and mail server are the same physical device.
If so, both would go down at the same time, and so that address would
be useless for notifying Greig that Beagle requires a vist from the
vet.
On the possibility Greig has forwarded/echoed these addresses to
another mail server, I have posted a notice to both. However, if
somebody from S.B.P has a known good method for contacting Greig, or
if Greig is an S.B.P. lurker, I hope this post will serve as notice.
From DIG:
"oh its down haaaard
its in AWS and not chatting"
Assuming AWS stands for "Amazon Web Services", it may be a cloudy day. On the other hand
it may stand for "Autonomous Weapon Systems" or "Australian Whale Sanctuary".
On Fri, 29 Jul 2022 13:28:29 -0700 (PDT), erik simpson
<eastsi...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Friday, July 29, 2022 at 12:33:59 PM UTC-7, erik simpson wrote:
On Friday, July 29, 2022 at 12:07:02 PM UTC-7, 69jp...@gmail.com wrote:
No new posts have appeared in talk.origins for over 24 hours. This isI just tried another address that sometimes has worked.
an exceptional situation.
In the past, I assumed dgr...@gmail.com was a legitimate address to
notify Greig. However, the last time I posted to that address, Google
reported that mailbox was full.
The last T.O. post from Greig used dgr...@beagle.ediacara.org. IIUC
the Beagle Usenet server and mail server are the same physical device. >> > If so, both would go down at the same time, and so that address would
be useless for notifying Greig that Beagle requires a vist from the
vet.
On the possibility Greig has forwarded/echoed these addresses to
another mail server, I have posted a notice to both. However, if
somebody from S.B.P has a known good method for contacting Greig, or
if Greig is an S.B.P. lurker, I hope this post will serve as notice.
From DIG:
"oh its down haaaard
its in AWS and not chatting"
Assuming AWS stands for "Amazon Web Services", it may be a cloudy day. On the other handEither way, then both servers are likely not on the same physical
it may stand for "Autonomous Weapon Systems" or "Australian Whale Sanctuary".
device.
On Fri, 29 Jul 2022 17:33:08 -0700 (PDT), Glenn <GlennS...@msn.com>
wrote:
On Friday, July 29, 2022 at 5:03:56 PM UTC-7, 69jp...@gmail.com wrote:
On Fri, 29 Jul 2022 13:28:29 -0700 (PDT), erik simpsonBoth servers?? Perhaps you meant the interface provided thru David's own pc. Nope. Perhaps that's what you think I meant.
<eastsi...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Friday, July 29, 2022 at 12:33:59 PM UTC-7, erik simpson wrote:Either way, then both servers are likely not on the same physical
On Friday, July 29, 2022 at 12:07:02 PM UTC-7, 69jp...@gmail.com wrote: >> >> > No new posts have appeared in talk.origins for over 24 hours. This is >> >> > an exceptional situation.
In the past, I assumed dgr...@gmail.com was a legitimate address to >> >> > notify Greig. However, the last time I posted to that address, Google >> >> > reported that mailbox was full.
The last T.O. post from Greig used dgr...@beagle.ediacara.org. IIUC >> >> > the Beagle Usenet server and mail server are the same physical device.
If so, both would go down at the same time, and so that address would >> >> > be useless for notifying Greig that Beagle requires a vist from the >> >> > vet.
On the possibility Greig has forwarded/echoed these addresses to
another mail server, I have posted a notice to both. However, if
somebody from S.B.P has a known good method for contacting Greig, or >> >> > if Greig is an S.B.P. lurker, I hope this post will serve as notice. >> >> I just tried another address that sometimes has worked.
From DIG:
"oh its down haaaard
its in AWS and not chatting"
Assuming AWS stands for "Amazon Web Services", it may be a cloudy day. On the other hand
it may stand for "Autonomous Weapon Systems" or "Australian Whale Sanctuary".
device.
On Friday, July 29, 2022 at 5:03:56 PM UTC-7, 69jp...@gmail.com wrote:
On Fri, 29 Jul 2022 13:28:29 -0700 (PDT), erik simpsonBoth servers?? Perhaps you meant the interface provided thru David's own pc.
<eastsi...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Friday, July 29, 2022 at 12:33:59 PM UTC-7, erik simpson wrote:Either way, then both servers are likely not on the same physical
On Friday, July 29, 2022 at 12:07:02 PM UTC-7, 69jp...@gmail.com wrote: >> >> > No new posts have appeared in talk.origins for over 24 hours. This is >> >> > an exceptional situation.
In the past, I assumed dgr...@gmail.com was a legitimate address to
notify Greig. However, the last time I posted to that address, Google >> >> > reported that mailbox was full.
The last T.O. post from Greig used dgr...@beagle.ediacara.org. IIUC
the Beagle Usenet server and mail server are the same physical device. >> >> > If so, both would go down at the same time, and so that address would >> >> > be useless for notifying Greig that Beagle requires a vist from the
vet.
On the possibility Greig has forwarded/echoed these addresses to
another mail server, I have posted a notice to both. However, if
somebody from S.B.P has a known good method for contacting Greig, or >> >> > if Greig is an S.B.P. lurker, I hope this post will serve as notice. >> >> I just tried another address that sometimes has worked.
From DIG:
"oh its down haaaard
its in AWS and not chatting"
Assuming AWS stands for "Amazon Web Services", it may be a cloudy day. On the other hand
it may stand for "Autonomous Weapon Systems" or "Australian Whale Sanctuary".
device.
On Saturday, July 30, 2022 at 12:29:14 AM UTC-7, 69jp...@gmail.com wrote:
On Fri, 29 Jul 2022 17:33:08 -0700 (PDT), Glenn <GlennS...@msn.com>
wrote:
On Friday, July 29, 2022 at 5:03:56 PM UTC-7, 69jp...@gmail.com wrote:Nope. Perhaps that's what you think I meant.
On Fri, 29 Jul 2022 13:28:29 -0700 (PDT), erik simpsonBoth servers?? Perhaps you meant the interface provided thru David's own pc.
<eastsi...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Friday, July 29, 2022 at 12:33:59 PM UTC-7, erik simpson wrote:Either way, then both servers are likely not on the same physical
On Friday, July 29, 2022 at 12:07:02 PM UTC-7, 69jp...@gmail.com wrote: >>>>>>> No new posts have appeared in talk.origins for over 24 hours. This is >>>>>>> an exceptional situation.
In the past, I assumed dgr...@gmail.com was a legitimate address to >>>>>>> notify Greig. However, the last time I posted to that address, Google >>>>>>> reported that mailbox was full.
The last T.O. post from Greig used dgr...@beagle.ediacara.org. IIUC >>>>>>> the Beagle Usenet server and mail server are the same physical device. >>>>>>> If so, both would go down at the same time, and so that address would >>>>>>> be useless for notifying Greig that Beagle requires a vist from the >>>>>>> vet.
On the possibility Greig has forwarded/echoed these addresses to >>>>>>> another mail server, I have posted a notice to both. However, if >>>>>>> somebody from S.B.P has a known good method for contacting Greig, or >>>>>>> if Greig is an S.B.P. lurker, I hope this post will serve as notice. >>>>>> I just tried another address that sometimes has worked.
From DIG:
"oh its down haaaard
its in AWS and not chatting"
Assuming AWS stands for "Amazon Web Services", it may be a cloudy day. On the other hand
it may stand for "Autonomous Weapon Systems" or "Australian Whale Sanctuary".
device.
Perhaps that is what I think you might have meant.
On 7/30/22 12:50 AM, Glenn wrote:
On Saturday, July 30, 2022 at 12:29:14 AM UTC-7, 69jp...@gmail.com wrote:
On Fri, 29 Jul 2022 17:33:08 -0700 (PDT), Glenn <GlennS...@msn.com>
wrote:
On Friday, July 29, 2022 at 5:03:56 PM UTC-7, 69jp...@gmail.com wrote: >>>> On Fri, 29 Jul 2022 13:28:29 -0700 (PDT), erik simpsonNope. Perhaps that's what you think I meant.
<eastsi...@gmail.com> wrote:Both servers?? Perhaps you meant the interface provided thru David's own pc.
On Friday, July 29, 2022 at 12:33:59 PM UTC-7, erik simpson wrote: >>>>>> On Friday, July 29, 2022 at 12:07:02 PM UTC-7, 69jp...@gmail.com wrote:Either way, then both servers are likely not on the same physical
No new posts have appeared in talk.origins for over 24 hours. This is >>>>>>> an exceptional situation.
In the past, I assumed dgr...@gmail.com was a legitimate address to >>>>>>> notify Greig. However, the last time I posted to that address, Google >>>>>>> reported that mailbox was full.
The last T.O. post from Greig used dgr...@beagle.ediacara.org. IIUC >>>>>>> the Beagle Usenet server and mail server are the same physical device.
If so, both would go down at the same time, and so that address would >>>>>>> be useless for notifying Greig that Beagle requires a vist from the >>>>>>> vet.
On the possibility Greig has forwarded/echoed these addresses to >>>>>>> another mail server, I have posted a notice to both. However, if >>>>>>> somebody from S.B.P has a known good method for contacting Greig, or >>>>>>> if Greig is an S.B.P. lurker, I hope this post will serve as notice. >>>>>> I just tried another address that sometimes has worked.
From DIG:
"oh its down haaaard
its in AWS and not chatting"
Assuming AWS stands for "Amazon Web Services", it may be a cloudy day. On the other hand
it may stand for "Autonomous Weapon Systems" or "Australian Whale Sanctuary".
device.
Perhaps that is what I think you might have meant.A 'beagle' is a type of dog.
Was it 'evil' when man made dogs?
I do not know.
On 7/30/22 12:50 AM, Glenn wrote:
On Saturday, July 30, 2022 at 12:29:14 AM UTC-7, 69jp...@gmail.com wrote:
On Fri, 29 Jul 2022 17:33:08 -0700 (PDT), Glenn <GlennS...@msn.com>
wrote:
On Friday, July 29, 2022 at 5:03:56 PM UTC-7, 69jp...@gmail.com wrote: >>>> On Fri, 29 Jul 2022 13:28:29 -0700 (PDT), erik simpsonNope. Perhaps that's what you think I meant.
<eastsi...@gmail.com> wrote:Both servers?? Perhaps you meant the interface provided thru David's own pc.
On Friday, July 29, 2022 at 12:33:59 PM UTC-7, erik simpson wrote: >>>>>> On Friday, July 29, 2022 at 12:07:02 PM UTC-7, 69jp...@gmail.com wrote:Either way, then both servers are likely not on the same physical
No new posts have appeared in talk.origins for over 24 hours. This is >>>>>>> an exceptional situation.
In the past, I assumed dgr...@gmail.com was a legitimate address to >>>>>>> notify Greig. However, the last time I posted to that address, Google >>>>>>> reported that mailbox was full.
The last T.O. post from Greig used dgr...@beagle.ediacara.org. IIUC >>>>>>> the Beagle Usenet server and mail server are the same physical device.
If so, both would go down at the same time, and so that address would >>>>>>> be useless for notifying Greig that Beagle requires a vist from the >>>>>>> vet.
On the possibility Greig has forwarded/echoed these addresses to >>>>>>> another mail server, I have posted a notice to both. However, if >>>>>>> somebody from S.B.P has a known good method for contacting Greig, or >>>>>>> if Greig is an S.B.P. lurker, I hope this post will serve as notice. >>>>>> I just tried another address that sometimes has worked.
From DIG:
"oh its down haaaard
its in AWS and not chatting"
Assuming AWS stands for "Amazon Web Services", it may be a cloudy day. On the other hand
it may stand for "Autonomous Weapon Systems" or "Australian Whale Sanctuary".
device.
Perhaps that is what I think you might have meant.A 'beagle' is a type of dog.
Was it 'evil' when man made dogs?
I do not know.
On 7/30/22 12:50 AM, Glenn wrote:
On Saturday, July 30, 2022 at 12:29:14 AM UTC-7, 69jp...@gmail.com wrote:
On Fri, 29 Jul 2022 17:33:08 -0700 (PDT), Glenn <GlennS...@msn.com>
wrote:
On Friday, July 29, 2022 at 5:03:56 PM UTC-7, 69jp...@gmail.com wrote: >>>> On Fri, 29 Jul 2022 13:28:29 -0700 (PDT), erik simpsonNope. Perhaps that's what you think I meant.
<eastsi...@gmail.com> wrote:Both servers?? Perhaps you meant the interface provided thru David's own pc.
On Friday, July 29, 2022 at 12:33:59 PM UTC-7, erik simpson wrote: >>>>>> On Friday, July 29, 2022 at 12:07:02 PM UTC-7, 69jp...@gmail.com wrote:Either way, then both servers are likely not on the same physical
No new posts have appeared in talk.origins for over 24 hours. This is >>>>>>> an exceptional situation.
In the past, I assumed dgr...@gmail.com was a legitimate address to >>>>>>> notify Greig. However, the last time I posted to that address, Google >>>>>>> reported that mailbox was full.
The last T.O. post from Greig used dgr...@beagle.ediacara.org. IIUC >>>>>>> the Beagle Usenet server and mail server are the same physical device.
If so, both would go down at the same time, and so that address would >>>>>>> be useless for notifying Greig that Beagle requires a vist from the >>>>>>> vet.
On the possibility Greig has forwarded/echoed these addresses to >>>>>>> another mail server, I have posted a notice to both. However, if >>>>>>> somebody from S.B.P has a known good method for contacting Greig, or >>>>>>> if Greig is an S.B.P. lurker, I hope this post will serve as notice. >>>>>> I just tried another address that sometimes has worked.
From DIG:
"oh its down haaaard
its in AWS and not chatting"
Assuming AWS stands for "Amazon Web Services", it may be a cloudy day. On the other hand
it may stand for "Autonomous Weapon Systems" or "Australian Whale Sanctuary".
device.
Perhaps that is what I think you might have meant.A 'beagle' is a type of dog.
Was it 'evil' when man made dogs?
I do not know.
On 7/30/22 12:50 AM, Glenn wrote:
On Saturday, July 30, 2022 at 12:29:14 AM UTC-7, 69jp...@gmail.com wrote: >>> On Fri, 29 Jul 2022 17:33:08 -0700 (PDT), Glenn <GlennS...@msn.com>
wrote:
On Friday, July 29, 2022 at 5:03:56 PM UTC-7, 69jp...@gmail.com wrote: >>>>> On Fri, 29 Jul 2022 13:28:29 -0700 (PDT), erik simpsonNope. Perhaps that's what you think I meant.
<eastsi...@gmail.com> wrote:Both servers?? Perhaps you meant the interface provided thru David's own pc.
On Friday, July 29, 2022 at 12:33:59 PM UTC-7, erik simpson wrote: >>>>>>> On Friday, July 29, 2022 at 12:07:02 PM UTC-7, 69jp...@gmail.com wrote: >>>>>>>> No new posts have appeared in talk.origins for over 24 hours. This is >>>>>>>> an exceptional situation.Either way, then both servers are likely not on the same physical
In the past, I assumed dgr...@gmail.com was a legitimate address to >>>>>>>> notify Greig. However, the last time I posted to that address, Google >>>>>>>> reported that mailbox was full.
The last T.O. post from Greig used dgr...@beagle.ediacara.org. IIUC >>>>>>>> the Beagle Usenet server and mail server are the same physical device. >>>>>>>> If so, both would go down at the same time, and so that address would >>>>>>>> be useless for notifying Greig that Beagle requires a vist from the >>>>>>>> vet.
On the possibility Greig has forwarded/echoed these addresses to >>>>>>>> another mail server, I have posted a notice to both. However, if >>>>>>>> somebody from S.B.P has a known good method for contacting Greig, or >>>>>>>> if Greig is an S.B.P. lurker, I hope this post will serve as notice. >>>>>>> I just tried another address that sometimes has worked.
From DIG:
"oh its down haaaard
its in AWS and not chatting"
Assuming AWS stands for "Amazon Web Services", it may be a cloudy day. On the other hand
it may stand for "Autonomous Weapon Systems" or "Australian Whale Sanctuary".
device.
Perhaps that is what I think you might have meant.
A 'beagle' is a type of dog.
Was it 'evil' when man made dogs?
I do not know.
On Saturday, July 30, 2022 at 4:05:27 PM UTC-7, Trolidan7 wrote:
On 7/30/22 12:50 AM, Glenn wrote:
On Saturday, July 30, 2022 at 12:29:14 AM UTC-7, 69jp...@gmail.com wrote: >>>> On Fri, 29 Jul 2022 17:33:08 -0700 (PDT), Glenn <GlennS...@msn.com>A 'beagle' is a type of dog.
wrote:
On Friday, July 29, 2022 at 5:03:56 PM UTC-7, 69jp...@gmail.com wrote: >>>>>> On Fri, 29 Jul 2022 13:28:29 -0700 (PDT), erik simpsonNope. Perhaps that's what you think I meant.
<eastsi...@gmail.com> wrote:Both servers?? Perhaps you meant the interface provided thru David's own pc.
On Friday, July 29, 2022 at 12:33:59 PM UTC-7, erik simpson wrote: >>>>>>>> On Friday, July 29, 2022 at 12:07:02 PM UTC-7, 69jp...@gmail.com wrote:Either way, then both servers are likely not on the same physical
No new posts have appeared in talk.origins for over 24 hours. This is >>>>>>>>> an exceptional situation.
In the past, I assumed dgr...@gmail.com was a legitimate address to >>>>>>>>> notify Greig. However, the last time I posted to that address, Google >>>>>>>>> reported that mailbox was full.
The last T.O. post from Greig used dgr...@beagle.ediacara.org. IIUC >>>>>>>>> the Beagle Usenet server and mail server are the same physical device.
If so, both would go down at the same time, and so that address would >>>>>>>>> be useless for notifying Greig that Beagle requires a vist from the >>>>>>>>> vet.
On the possibility Greig has forwarded/echoed these addresses to >>>>>>>>> another mail server, I have posted a notice to both. However, if >>>>>>>>> somebody from S.B.P has a known good method for contacting Greig, or >>>>>>>>> if Greig is an S.B.P. lurker, I hope this post will serve as notice. >>>>>>>> I just tried another address that sometimes has worked.
From DIG:
"oh its down haaaard
its in AWS and not chatting"
Assuming AWS stands for "Amazon Web Services", it may be a cloudy day. On the other hand
it may stand for "Autonomous Weapon Systems" or "Australian Whale Sanctuary".
device.
Perhaps that is what I think you might have meant.
Was it 'evil' when man made dogs?
I do not know.
Dogs and music are the only truly wonderful things people have ever done.
Does Snoopy count as a “beagle”?
On Sunday, July 31, 2022 at 10:57:19 PM UTC-7, thesigh...@gmail.com wrote:
Does Snoopy count as a “beagle”?Beagles can't count.
On Monday, August 1, 2022 at 12:42:15 AM UTC-6, Glenn wrote:
On Sunday, July 31, 2022 at 10:57:19 PM UTC-7, thesigh...@gmail.com wrote:No wonder the Red Baron keeps shooting him down! That being said, I would think “counting” could mean a variety of things.
Does Snoopy count as a “beagle”?Beagles can't count.
First of all, we’d have to rule out zero as a counting number - otherwise you could claim that detecting the presence of ANYTHING means that you can “count” from 0 to 1.
With that out of the way, how much does the magnitude of the number matter? Would a beagle know - or care - if one of her two pups were to go missing? What if one puppy went missing from a litter of 10?The same question is applicable were there only one pup.
Is detecting the presence - or absence - of one’s own puppy a fundamentally different task from counting sticks, balls - or someone ELSE’S litter?
On Monday, August 1, 2022 at 12:42:15 AM UTC-6, Glenn wrote:
On Sunday, July 31, 2022 at 10:57:19 PM UTC-7, thesigh...@gmail.com wrote:No wonder the Red Baron keeps shooting him down!
Does Snoopy count as a “beagle”?Beagles can't count.
First of all, we’d have to rule out zero as a counting number - otherwise you could claim that detecting the presence of ANYTHING means that you can “count” from 0 to 1.
With that out of the way, how much does the magnitude of the number matter? Would a beagle know - or care - if one of her two pups were to go missing? What if one puppy went missing from a litter of 10?
Is detecting the presence - or absence - of one’s own puppy a fundamentally different task from counting sticks, balls - or someone ELSE’S litter?
On Monday, August 1, 2022 at 12:53:37 PM UTC-4, thesigh...@gmail.com wrote:
On Monday, August 1, 2022 at 12:42:15 AM UTC-6, Glenn wrote:Phylogenetically, the Red Baron shoots him up:
On Sunday, July 31, 2022 at 10:57:19 PM UTC-7, thesigh...@gmail.com wrote:No wonder the Red Baron keeps shooting him down!
Does Snoopy count as a “beagle”?Beagles can't count.
Typically, the title Baron denotes an aristocrat who ranks higher than a lord or knight, but lower than a count.
Baron - Wikipedia
That being said, I would think “counting” could mean a variety of things.
First of all, we’d have to rule out zero as a counting number - otherwise you could claim that detecting the presence of ANYTHING means that you can “count” from 0 to 1.
With that out of the way, how much does the magnitude of the number matter? Would a beagle know - or care - if one of her two pups were to go missing? What if one puppy went missing from a litter of 10?
Is detecting the presence - or absence - of one’s own puppy a fundamentally different task from counting sticks, balls - or someone ELSE’S litter?
On Monday, August 1, 2022 at 12:53:37 PM UTC-4, thesigh...@gmail.com wrote:
On Monday, August 1, 2022 at 12:42:15 AM UTC-6, Glenn wrote:
On Sunday, July 31, 2022 at 10:57:19 PM UTC-7, thesigh...@gmail.com wrote: >>>> Does Snoopy count as a “beagle”?No wonder the Red Baron keeps shooting him down!
Beagles can't count.
Phylogenetically, the Red Baron shoots him up:
Typically, the title Baron denotes an aristocrat who ranks higher than a lord or knight, but lower than a count.
Baron - Wikipedia
That being said, I would think “counting” could mean a variety of things.
First of all, we’d have to rule out zero as a counting number - otherwise you could claim that detecting the presence of ANYTHING means that you can “count” from 0 to 1.
With that out of the way, how much does the magnitude of the number matter? Would a beagle know - or care - if one of her two pups were to go missing? What if one puppy went missing from a litter of 10?
Is detecting the presence - or absence - of one’s own puppy a fundamentally different task from counting sticks, balls - or someone ELSE’S litter?
On Sat, 30 Jul 2022 16:05:22 -0700, Trolidan7 <Trolidan7@eternal-september.org> wrote:
On 7/30/22 12:50 AM, Glenn wrote:
On Saturday, July 30, 2022 at 12:29:14 AM UTC-7, 69jp...@gmail.com wrote: >>>> On Fri, 29 Jul 2022 17:33:08 -0700 (PDT), Glenn <GlennS...@msn.com>
wrote:
On Friday, July 29, 2022 at 5:03:56 PM UTC-7, 69jp...@gmail.com wrote: >>>>>> On Fri, 29 Jul 2022 13:28:29 -0700 (PDT), erik simpsonNope. Perhaps that's what you think I meant.
<eastsi...@gmail.com> wrote:Both servers?? Perhaps you meant the interface provided thru David's own pc.
On Friday, July 29, 2022 at 12:33:59 PM UTC-7, erik simpson wrote: >>>>>>>> On Friday, July 29, 2022 at 12:07:02 PM UTC-7, 69jp...@gmail.com wrote:Either way, then both servers are likely not on the same physical
No new posts have appeared in talk.origins for over 24 hours. This is >>>>>>>>> an exceptional situation.
In the past, I assumed dgr...@gmail.com was a legitimate address to >>>>>>>>> notify Greig. However, the last time I posted to that address, Google >>>>>>>>> reported that mailbox was full.
The last T.O. post from Greig used dgr...@beagle.ediacara.org. IIUC >>>>>>>>> the Beagle Usenet server and mail server are the same physical device.
If so, both would go down at the same time, and so that address would >>>>>>>>> be useless for notifying Greig that Beagle requires a vist from the >>>>>>>>> vet.
On the possibility Greig has forwarded/echoed these addresses to >>>>>>>>> another mail server, I have posted a notice to both. However, if >>>>>>>>> somebody from S.B.P has a known good method for contacting Greig, or >>>>>>>>> if Greig is an S.B.P. lurker, I hope this post will serve as notice. >>>>>>>> I just tried another address that sometimes has worked.
From DIG:
"oh its down haaaard
its in AWS and not chatting"
Assuming AWS stands for "Amazon Web Services", it may be a cloudy >>>>>>> day. On the other hand
it may stand for "Autonomous Weapon Systems" or "Australian Whale Sanctuary".
device.
Perhaps that is what I think you might have meant.
A 'beagle' is a type of dog.
Was it 'evil' when man made dogs?
I do not know.
"Beagle down" has nothing to do with PETA.
Does Snoopy count as a “beagle”?
On Tuesday, August 2, 2022 at 6:42:06 PM UTC-6, *Hemidactylus* wrote:
Isn’t Snoopy the dog who kept getting beat up by the cat next door? An embarrassment to dogs.No, that was ME that kept getting beat up by the cat next door.
In regards to the problem of counting, I wonder about the following:
1. Could “counting” be considered - at its most fundamental - a way of mentally conceptualizing what the senses detect as “presence” and “absence”?
2. Doesn’t “counting” require ANOTHER abstraction as well: that is, the notion that disparate sensory phenomena can be classified as similar enough to be treated as multiples of the same thing?
Perhaps small human children do that instinctively, but can we necessarily assume that the brains of potentially very different organisms find that method of organizing sensory input to be equally instinctive?
Isn’t Snoopy the dog who kept getting beat up by the cat next door? An embarrassment to dogs.
Sight Reader <thesightreader@gmail.com> wrote:-----------------------------
Does Snoopy count as a “beagle”?
Isn’t Snoopy the dog who kept getting beat up by the cat next door? An
embarrassment to dogs.
On Tuesday, August 2, 2022 at 6:42:06 PM UTC-6, *Hemidactylus* wrote:but can we necessarily assume that the brains of potentially very different organisms find that method of organizing sensory input to be equally instinctive?
Isn’t Snoopy the dog who kept getting beat up by the cat next door? An
embarrassment to dogs.
No, that was ME that kept getting beat up by the cat next door.
In regards to the problem of counting, I wonder about the following:
1. Could “counting” be considered - at its most fundamental - a way of mentally conceptualizing what the senses detect as “presence” and “absence”?
2. Doesn’t “counting” require ANOTHER abstraction as well: that is, the notion that disparate sensory phenomena can be classified as similar enough to be treated as multiples of the same thing? Perhaps small human children do that instinctively,
On Wednesday, August 3, 2022 at 1:01:53 PM UTC-7, Dexter wrote:-----------------------------
Hemidactylus wrote:
Sight Reader <thesigh...@gmail.com> wrote:
Does Snoopy count as a “beagle”?
Isn’t Snoopy the dog who kept getting beat up by the cat next door? An embarrassment to dogs.-----------------------------
Hey, Snoopy was a well loved dog, and not the first one to get beat up
by the cat next door.
As for Snoop Dogg, now that is an embarrassment, and not just to
dogs. I'm certain Charles Schultz does a couple of aileron rolls every
time that creature appears on TV.
You're embarrassing yourself once again, Dexter. It must happen so much that you have become unaware of it. But I bet there was a time...
On 8/3/22 12:27 PM, Sight Reader wrote:but can we necessarily assume that the brains of potentially very different organisms find that method of organizing sensory input to be equally instinctive?
On Tuesday, August 2, 2022 at 6:42:06 PM UTC-6, *Hemidactylus* wrote:
Isn’t Snoopy the dog who kept getting beat up by the cat next door? An >> embarrassment to dogs.
No, that was ME that kept getting beat up by the cat next door.
In regards to the problem of counting, I wonder about the following:
1. Could “counting” be considered - at its most fundamental - a way of mentally conceptualizing what the senses detect as “presence” and “absence”?
2. Doesn’t “counting” require ANOTHER abstraction as well: that is, the notion that disparate sensory phenomena can be classified as similar enough to be treated as multiples of the same thing? Perhaps small human children do that instinctively,
That depends upon what you mean by the word 'instinct'.
Now to me, it is reasonable to me that I have never seen
tens of thousands or millions of years ago but this is
based upon speculation.
However it seems feasible to me that if millions or billions
of years ago existed, then the nervous systems of animals
came into existence in order to deal with changes in the
environment that are far too rapid for either growth or
changes in genetics to deal with.
When animals got the ability to move through muscle
activities then coordinating those movements based
upon rapid changes in the external environment became
of value.
For that, there was the need for sensation, and the
need for coordination of muscle movements based upon
sensation.
Now there were of course biomolecular activities in
single celled organisms that have the power of sensation
and movement also, but those are single celled organisms.
Then there are 'animals' that are multi-cellular organisms.
And some 'animals' have nervous systems.
But 'nervous systems' regardless of how they came into
existence, deal with changes in the environment that
are too fast for either genetics or direct growth to
deal with. Or to put it more simply, animals tend to
move a lot faster than plants or fungi grow.
And 'nervous systems' are attached to various forms
of sensors that affect their output to the muscles.
Such as the retina in eyes, or various sensory cells
in the skin, or sensors in the inner ear of many
vertebrates.
Either way the nervous system exists, in order to
deal with phenomena in the environment that does
not have to do with either genetics, or growth.
Now the nervous system might be constructed, using
differential growth patterns in the cells of animals.
But the nervous system can have information, that
has nothing to do with genetics. In fact, it has
to do with the external environment of the organism.
I am not sure if this is a radical concept or not
but the 'minds' of humans (and perhaps other animals)
are in fact at least a partial byproduct of the
external environment.
As an example, it is possible for humans to have
'ideas' or theories about subjects other than biology.
Maybe this could be thought of as a strange concept
for some or maybe not.
*Hemidactylus* wrote:
Sight Reader <thesigh...@gmail.com> wrote:
Does Snoopy count as a “beagle”?
Isn’t Snoopy the dog who kept getting beat up by the cat next door? An embarrassment to dogs.-----------------------------
Hey, Snoopy was a well loved dog, and not the first one to get beat up
by the cat next door.
As for Snoop Dogg, now *that* *is* an embarrassment, and not just to
dogs. I'm certain Charles Schultz does a couple of aileron rolls every
time that creature appears on TV.
Glenn wrote:
On Wednesday, August 3, 2022 at 1:01:53 PM UTC-7, Dexter wrote:
Hemidactylus wrote:
Sight Reader <thesigh...@gmail.com> wrote:
Does Snoopy count as a “beagle”?
Isn’t Snoopy the dog who kept getting beat up by the cat next door? An-----------------------------
embarrassment to dogs.
Hey, Snoopy was a well loved dog, and not the first one to get beat up by the cat next door.
As for Snoop Dogg, now that is an embarrassment, and not just to
dogs. I'm certain Charles Schultz does a couple of aileron rolls every time that creature appears on TV.
You're embarrassing yourself once again, Dexter. It must happen so much that-----------------------------
you have become unaware of it. But I bet there was a time...
Projection, thy name is Glenn.
On Wednesday, August 3, 2022 at 5:50:43 PM UTC-7, Dexter wrote:-----------------------------
Glenn wrote:
On Wednesday, August 3, 2022 at 1:01:53 PM UTC-7, Dexter wrote:
Hemidactylus wrote:
Sight Reader <thesigh...@gmail.com> wrote:
Does Snoopy count as a “beagle”?
Isn’t Snoopy the dog who kept getting beat up by the cat next door? An embarrassment to dogs.-----------------------------
Hey, Snoopy was a well loved dog, and not the first one to get beat up by the cat next door.
As for Snoop Dogg, now that is an embarrassment, and not just to
dogs. I'm certain Charles Schultz does a couple of aileron rolls every time that creature appears on TV.
You're embarrassing yourself once again, Dexter. It must happen so much that you have become unaware of it. But I bet there was a time...-----------------------------
Projection, thy name is Glenn.
There you are.
Glenn wrote:
On Wednesday, August 3, 2022 at 5:50:43 PM UTC-7, Dexter wrote:
Glenn wrote:
On Wednesday, August 3, 2022 at 1:01:53 PM UTC-7, Dexter wrote:
Hemidactylus wrote:
Sight Reader <thesigh...@gmail.com> wrote:
Does Snoopy count as a “beagle”?
Isn’t Snoopy the dog who kept getting beat up by the cat next door?-----------------------------
An embarrassment to dogs.
Hey, Snoopy was a well loved dog, and not the first one to get beat up
by the cat next door.
As for Snoop Dogg, now that is an embarrassment, and not just to dogs. I'm certain Charles Schultz does a couple of aileron rolls every
time that creature appears on TV.
You're embarrassing yourself once again, Dexter. It must happen so much-----------------------------
that you have become unaware of it. But I bet there was a time...
Projection, thy name is Glenn.
There you are.-----------------------------
Thanks for confirming.
On Thursday, August 4, 2022 at 10:15:31 AM UTC-7, Dexter wrote:-----------------------------
Glenn wrote:
On Wednesday, August 3, 2022 at 5:50:43 PM UTC-7, Dexter wrote:
Glenn wrote:
On Wednesday, August 3, 2022 at 1:01:53 PM UTC-7, Dexter wrote:
Hemidactylus wrote:
Sight Reader <thesigh...@gmail.com> wrote:
Does Snoopy count as a “beagle”?
Isn’t Snoopy the dog who kept getting beat up by the cat next door? An embarrassment to dogs.-----------------------------
Hey, Snoopy was a well loved dog, and not the first one to get beat up by the cat next door.
As for Snoop Dogg, now that is an embarrassment, and not just to dogs. I'm certain Charles Schultz does a couple of aileron rolls every time that creature appears on TV.
You're embarrassing yourself once again, Dexter. It must happen so much that you have become unaware of it. But I bet there was a time...-----------------------------
Projection, thy name is Glenn.
There you are.-----------------------------
Thanks for confirming.
There you are.
Glenn wrote:
On Thursday, August 4, 2022 at 10:15:31 AM UTC-7, Dexter wrote:
Glenn wrote:
On Wednesday, August 3, 2022 at 5:50:43 PM UTC-7, Dexter wrote:
Glenn wrote:
On Wednesday, August 3, 2022 at 1:01:53 PM UTC-7, Dexter wrote:
Hemidactylus wrote:
Sight Reader <thesigh...@gmail.com> wrote:
Does Snoopy count as a “beagle”?
Isn’t Snoopy the dog who kept getting beat up by the cat next-----------------------------
door? An embarrassment to dogs.
Hey, Snoopy was a well loved dog, and not the first one to get beat
up by the cat next door.
As for Snoop Dogg, now that is an embarrassment, and not just to dogs. I'm certain Charles Schultz does a couple of aileron rolls every time that creature appears on TV.
You're embarrassing yourself once again, Dexter. It must happen so much that you have become unaware of it. But I bet there was a time...-----------------------------
Projection, thy name is Glenn.
There you are.-----------------------------
Thanks for confirming.
There you are.-----------------------------
Why, thank you Captain Obvious.
On Thursday, August 4, 2022 at 5:06:36 PM UTC-7, Dexter wrote:-----------------------------
Glenn wrote:
On Thursday, August 4, 2022 at 10:15:31 AM UTC-7, Dexter wrote:
Glenn wrote:
On Wednesday, August 3, 2022 at 5:50:43 PM UTC-7, Dexter wrote:
Glenn wrote:
On Wednesday, August 3, 2022 at 1:01:53 PM UTC-7, Dexter wrote:
Hemidactylus wrote:
Sight Reader <thesigh...@gmail.com> wrote:
Does Snoopy count as a “beagle”?
Isn’t Snoopy the dog who kept getting beat up by the cat next-----------------------------
door? An embarrassment to dogs.
Hey, Snoopy was a well loved dog, and not the first one to get beat up by the cat next door.
As for Snoop Dogg, now that is an embarrassment, and not just to dogs. I'm certain Charles Schultz does a couple of aileron rolls every time that creature appears on TV.
You're embarrassing yourself once again, Dexter. It must happen so much that you have become unaware of it. But I bet there was a time...-----------------------------
Projection, thy name is Glenn.
There you are.-----------------------------
Thanks for confirming.
There you are.-----------------------------
Why, thank you Captain Obvious.
Is intelligence not your first language?
Is intelligence not your first language?I apologize. I never learned that language. That is why I am here.
On Thursday, August 4, 2022 at 9:16:26 PM UTC-6, Glenn wrote:
Is intelligence not your first language?I apologize. I never learned that language. That is why I am here.
Glenn wrote:
On Thursday, August 4, 2022 at 5:06:36 PM UTC-7, Dexter wrote:
Glenn wrote:
On Thursday, August 4, 2022 at 10:15:31 AM UTC-7, Dexter wrote:
Glenn wrote:
On Wednesday, August 3, 2022 at 5:50:43 PM UTC-7, Dexter wrote:
Glenn wrote:
On Wednesday, August 3, 2022 at 1:01:53 PM UTC-7, Dexter wrote:
Hemidactylus wrote:
Sight Reader <thesigh...@gmail.com> wrote:
Does Snoopy count as a “beagle”?
Isn’t Snoopy the dog who kept getting beat up by the cat next-----------------------------
door? An embarrassment to dogs.
Hey, Snoopy was a well loved dog, and not the first one to get
beat up by the cat next door.
As for Snoop Dogg, now that is an embarrassment, and not just
to dogs. I'm certain Charles Schultz does a couple of aileron
rolls every time that creature appears on TV.
You're embarrassing yourself once again, Dexter. It must happen-----------------------------
so much that you have become unaware of it. But I bet there was a
time...
Projection, thy name is Glenn.
There you are.-----------------------------
Thanks for confirming.
There you are.-----------------------------
Why, thank you Captain Obvious.
Is intelligence not your first language?-----------------------------
Plonk
On Thursday, August 4, 2022 at 9:16:26 PM UTC-6, Glenn wrote:
Is intelligence not your first language?I apologize. I never learned that language. That is why I am here.
On Thursday, August 4, 2022 at 10:57:36 PM UTC-7, thesigh...@gmail.com wrote:
On Thursday, August 4, 2022 at 9:16:26 PM UTC-6, Glenn wrote:
Don't worry about it. Glenn doesn't speak it either.Is intelligence not your first language?I apologize. I never learned that language. That is why I am here.
On Thursday, August 4, 2022 at 10:57:36 PM UTC-7, thesigh...@gmail.com wrote:
On Thursday, August 4, 2022 at 9:16:26 PM UTC-6, Glenn wrote:
You're Dexter? Or you are speaking for Dexter? I'm confused, why are you apologizing?Is intelligence not your first language?I apologize. I never learned that language. That is why I am here.
And are you saying that you are here to learn the language of intelligence?
Upon considering my response, I realize that I'm not familiar enough with you to have assumed you were likely being sarcastic, and that you might have even been serious, and perhaps English is not your first language.
On Friday, August 5, 2022 at 11:18:34 AM UTC-6, Glenn wrote:
Upon considering my response, I realize that I'm not familiar enough with you to have assumed you were likely being sarcastic, and that you might have even been serious, and perhaps English is not your first language.Ack… I’m sorry to make you type all that! No, I wasn’t being serious. I was just saying I’m not very intelligent, which is why I’m here… to learn.
I'm still a little confused. Sounds like you were being serious. But I'll assume by "serious" you mean what you thought I meant about you possibly being sarcastic.
On Friday, August 5, 2022 at 12:24:33 PM UTC-6, Glenn wrote:language.
I'm still a little confused. Sounds like you were being serious. But I'll assume by "serious" you mean what you thought I meant about you possibly being sarcastic.I apologize sir. My post was only an attempt to lighten the mood with some quippy humor that clearly misfired: I am inexperienced at posting such things and am therefore not used to expressing myself without accompanying facial expressions and body
I would like to take this opportunity to extend my deepest appreciation to you for the level of serious consideration, due diligence, and clear respect that you displayed in giving my posts the full benefit of the doubt. That was very classy of you andI feel horrible about inadvertently wasting so much good will and effort that you clearly exerted on my behalf.
So, once again, thank you for your respect and consideration and please accept my apologies for the misunderstanding.
Good golly, no need to apologize. Hopefully you won't change, and I admire your civility and honesty. I doubt it would shield you for long if you continue in online discussions, and I believe it soon puts strain on those admirable attributes. When inRome, try not to speak a foreign language, and don't go to Vegas. :)
On Tuesday, August 2, 2022 at 6:42:06 PM UTC-6, *Hemidactylus* wrote:but can we necessarily assume that the brains of potentially very different organisms find that method of organizing sensory input to be equally instinctive?
Isn’t Snoopy the dog who kept getting beat up by the cat next door? An embarrassment to dogs.No, that was ME that kept getting beat up by the cat next door.
In regards to the problem of counting, I wonder about the following:
1. Could “counting” be considered - at its most fundamental - a way of mentally conceptualizing what the senses detect as “presence” and “absence”?
2. Doesn’t “counting” require ANOTHER abstraction as well: that is, the notion that disparate sensory phenomena can be classified as similar enough to be treated as multiples of the same thing? Perhaps small human children do that instinctively,
Would "same" and "different" be the same as "presence" and "absence"? https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2022/07/220720150534.htm
This comes from Proceedings of the Royal Society B: Biological Sciences.
On Saturday, August 6, 2022 at 2:23:16 PM UTC-6, Glenn wrote:stupid…
Would "same" and "different" be the same as "presence" and "absence"?
https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2022/07/220720150534.htm
This comes from Proceedings of the Royal Society B: Biological Sciences.
Remarkable. I recall theories postulating that pattern-matching is the basis of how neurons store information, so it makes sense that paper wasps can do stuff like, but you never when nature is going to make what we think would be logical suddenly look
On Saturday, August 6, 2022 at 2:23:16 PM UTC-6, Glenn wrote:stupid…
Would "same" and "different" be the same as "presence" and "absence"? https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2022/07/220720150534.htm
This comes from Proceedings of the Royal Society B: Biological Sciences.
Remarkable. I recall theories postulating that pattern-matching is the basis of how neurons store information, so it makes sense that paper wasps can do stuff like, but you never when nature is going to make what we think would be logical suddenly look
To the best of my understanding, the nervous system of animals
is based upon the aggregate operation in parallel of 'fuzzy
logic' or 'neurons' which are in some ways like the 'flip-flop'
or storage element of computers, except for one very basic
difference. The 'flip-flop' has an 'on' or 'off' state that
can tend to have a relatively small number of inputs and outputs.
This is all in college biology textbooks on the nervous system.
On 8/6/22 2:12 PM, Sight Reader wrote:look stupid…
On Saturday, August 6, 2022 at 2:23:16 PM UTC-6, Glenn wrote:
Would "same" and "different" be the same as "presence" and "absence"?
https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2022/07/220720150534.htm
This comes from Proceedings of the Royal Society B: Biological Sciences.
Remarkable. I recall theories postulating that pattern-matching is the basis of how neurons store information, so it makes sense that paper wasps can do stuff like, but you never when nature is going to make what we think would be logical suddenly
To the best of my understanding, the nervous system of animals
is based upon the aggregate operation in parallel of 'fuzzy
logic' or 'neurons' which are in some ways like the 'flip-flop'
or storage element of computers, except for one very basic
difference. The 'flip-flop' has an 'on' or 'off' state that
can tend to have a relatively small number of inputs and outputs.
A 'neuron' however can have a vast number of 'dendrites' on it
and each of those dendrites can have a varying number of 'receptors'
and a varying width or branching of each of the dendrites that
connect the neuron with other neurons.
Now some 'receptors' can stimulate a neuron to make it 'fire' and
other receptors can inhibit a neuron to keep it from 'firing'.
Now when a neuron 'fires' there is the opening of sodium and
potassium channels across the surface of the membrane of the
nerve cell. The sodium and potassium ions in water have an
electric charge. Energy is consumed in this process as ion
pumps ultimately pump sodium and potassium or calcium ions
back into our out of the cell after firing to maintain an
ion gradient across the cell membrane.
When a cell 'fires' it at the end of the cell has 'axons'
that emit 'neurotransmitters' to the dendrites of other
cells. This can then effect whether the next neuron
will fire or not.
When a cell fires, the ions will change whether the
cell has a greater or lesser propensity to fire in
the future. Eventually it can increase the width
and branching of the axons and dendrites.
This is how 'memory' comes into existence. However
unlike computer memory, with a 'bit' encoding whether
a flip-flop is on or off, you have a complex set of
branches forming to compare sensory inputs and then
coordinate muscle outputs.
I am thinking that the nervous system of vertebrates
and many invertebrates generally has sensory nerves
on the dorsal (top of spine for a four legged animal,
back for two legged humans) and motor nerves on the
ventral side.
For humans, the eyes send signals to the mid-brain
where the retinal pattern of the left and right
eyes are blended to form one visual field pattern
that is sent to the dorsal (back) sensory occipital
lobe in the cerebrum.
I am thinking about 30 years ago I read that there
were micro-encephalographs that could read these
visual patterns from the back of the brain directly.
The lens and cornea of the eye focuses to an upside-down
image on the retina, and the image in the back of the
brain is also upside-down. This has been the situation
throughout our entire lives and we may have never noticed
it.
Either way, sound or auditory information is sent to
the temporal lobes, and some of this information (speech
sound and images) is then sent through the grey matter
to the frontal lobe.
The frontal lobe is ventral, and so it deals with complex
movements and actions or planning. This then goes down
the ventral nerves to the various muscles throughout the
body, and the muscles might changed the nature of the
movement of the organism or external objects in the external
world outside the body.
There are also 'glial cells' which offer scaffolding and
support to encoding neurons, but some times they can
differentiate to become coding neurons in some circumstances.
Either way, if you could scan in and read all of the nerve
fiber inputs and outputs and simulate all of their interactions
in a computer interacting in parallel with each other, then in
theory you could have a simulated organism interacting with a
simulated 'video game' like world with the information in the
nerve patterns interacting as if the organism were still alive.
This would involve massive amounts of microscopy, and despite
'brainbow' I don't think that anyone has ever taught a mouse
to run a maze, killed the mouse, done a vast amount of microscopy
on the brain, and then recovered any maze running ability in
a simulation, and I am not sure to what extent anyone has even
done much with microscopy of the nervous systems of worms or jellyfish.
However there are a lot of neurons in brains, there would be a lot
of microscopy involved, and it would not be simple or easy.
I am not sure to what extent nerve fibers disintegrate and how
rapidly that happens under various conditions.
Many types of 'embalming' tend to only be meant to slow
decomposition for long enough to have a delayed funeral. Who
knows about decades or centuries in the future.
A lot of ideas or pattern recognitions however are a highly
distributed phenomenon throughout many parts of the brain.
This is all in college biology textbooks on the nervous system.
On Saturday, August 6, 2022 at 5:03:13 PM UTC-6, Trolidan7 wrote:the problem.
To the best of my understanding, the nervous system of animals
is based upon the aggregate operation in parallel of 'fuzzy
logic' or 'neurons' which are in some ways like the 'flip-flop'
or storage element of computers, except for one very basic
difference. The 'flip-flop' has an 'on' or 'off' state that
can tend to have a relatively small number of inputs and outputs.
Yes, I vaguely recall discussions of this sort. Initial attempts to model intelligence as as network of binaries ran into prohibitive computational limitations: a non-linear activation model rather than simple flip-flop was required to break through
This is all in college biology textbooks on the nervous system.For me, the last biology I’ve had is from high school…
Also initial attempts to form network of non-binary coefficients had
issue with too low amounts of data to train those. Results were
biased to act weirdly. Few decades have passed and so that is solved
as world is full of data.
On Sunday, August 7, 2022 at 4:42:03 AM UTC-6, oot...@hot.ee wrote:
Also initial attempts to form network of non-binary coefficients hadI vaguely recall something like that. I don’t know if those big-data driven machines playing Go or trying to carry on conversations are using anything like a neural net to train. Kinda lost touch with all that…
issue with too low amounts of data to train those. Results were
biased to act weirdly. Few decades have passed and so that is solved
as world is full of data.
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