• Drake Passage traps?

    From Mario Petrinovic@21:1/5 to All on Wed Dec 8 06:45:19 2021
    The term "traps" I am using here only to make parallel with the Deccan
    traps.
    We see that Deccan traps were at the opposite side of Yucatan asteroid
    impact. Well, at the opposite side of Popigai asteroid impact is Drake
    Passage.
    Ice began to collect on Antarctica some 45.5 mya. But it intensified
    at the time of Popigai impact. They don't know when Drake Passage opened (sometime 47 to 17 mya), but they take that opening of Drake Passage
    could have a role in intensifying the collection of ice on Antarctica: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antarctic_ice_sheet#History https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/1b/65_Myr_Climate_Change.png

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  • From Mario Petrinovic@21:1/5 to Mario Petrinovic on Wed Dec 8 07:24:09 2021
    On 8.12.2021. 6:45, Mario Petrinovic wrote:
            The term "traps" I am using here only to make parallel with the
    Deccan traps.
            We see that Deccan traps were at the opposite side of Yucatan asteroid impact. Well, at the opposite side of Popigai asteroid impact
    is Drake Passage.
            Ice began to collect on Antarctica some 45.5 mya. But it intensified at the time of Popigai impact. They don't know when Drake
    Passage opened (sometime 47 to 17 mya), but they take that opening of
    Drake Passage could have a role in intensifying the collection of ice on Antarctica:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antarctic_ice_sheet#History https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/1b/65_Myr_Climate_Change.png

    Around that time Australia also separated from Antarctica: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gondwana#Australia%E2%80%93Antarctica_separation

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  • From jillery@21:1/5 to mario.petrinovic1@zg.htnet.hr on Wed Dec 8 17:20:43 2021
    On Wed, 8 Dec 2021 06:45:19 +0100, Mario Petrinovic <mario.petrinovic1@zg.htnet.hr> wrote:

    The term "traps" I am using here only to make parallel with the Deccan
    traps.
    We see that Deccan traps were at the opposite side of Yucatan asteroid
    impact. Well, at the opposite side of Popigai asteroid impact is Drake >Passage.
    Ice began to collect on Antarctica some 45.5 mya. But it intensified
    at the time of Popigai impact. They don't know when Drake Passage opened >(sometime 47 to 17 mya), but they take that opening of Drake Passage
    could have a role in intensifying the collection of ice on Antarctica: >https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antarctic_ice_sheet#History >https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/1b/65_Myr_Climate_Change.png


    Since you mention the Deccan Traps and Yucutan asteroid aka Chicxulub,
    you might find interesting some things Douglas Erwin wrote about these
    things in his book "Extinction". Apparently there is a correlation
    between earthquakes and volcanic eruptions, that earthquakes tend to
    cause nearby volcanoes to erupt, depending on distance. Calculations
    show that the Chicxulub impact had the energy at the epicenter
    equivalent to exceeding magnitude 11, and so almost certainly caused
    the entire Earth to shake violently. Although the Deccan Traps were
    likely already erupting, the impact would have increased their
    activity regardless of where they were on Earth.

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  • From Mario Petrinovic@21:1/5 to jillery on Thu Dec 9 02:50:19 2021
    On 8.12.2021. 23:20, jillery wrote:
    On Wed, 8 Dec 2021 06:45:19 +0100, Mario Petrinovic <mario.petrinovic1@zg.htnet.hr> wrote:

    The term "traps" I am using here only to make parallel with the Deccan
    traps.
    We see that Deccan traps were at the opposite side of Yucatan asteroid
    impact. Well, at the opposite side of Popigai asteroid impact is Drake
    Passage.
    Ice began to collect on Antarctica some 45.5 mya. But it intensified
    at the time of Popigai impact. They don't know when Drake Passage opened
    (sometime 47 to 17 mya), but they take that opening of Drake Passage
    could have a role in intensifying the collection of ice on Antarctica:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antarctic_ice_sheet#History
    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/1b/65_Myr_Climate_Change.png


    Since you mention the Deccan Traps and Yucutan asteroid aka Chicxulub,
    you might find interesting some things Douglas Erwin wrote about these
    things in his book "Extinction". Apparently there is a correlation
    between earthquakes and volcanic eruptions, that earthquakes tend to
    cause nearby volcanoes to erupt, depending on distance. Calculations
    show that the Chicxulub impact had the energy at the epicenter
    equivalent to exceeding magnitude 11, and so almost certainly caused
    the entire Earth to shake violently. Although the Deccan Traps were
    likely already erupting, the impact would have increased their
    activity regardless of where they were on Earth.

    My view is that such a theory produces the one who lives in the darkness of not knowing.
    Per my view, things are pretty simple. Take an orange as a model for
    Earth. It has soft inside, it has crust.
    Put it on a table, and press it from above. You will compress the
    orange in a vertical direction. The compression will be the biggest
    directly up, but this force will act vertically down.
    Now, since it has crust, as much as it is compressed vertically, that
    much it will dilute horizontally. The dilution will be the biggest at
    the half way point between upper pressure point, and it6s antipode (so,
    like, on the equator, a temporal, like, equator, in regards to the
    pressure point, not in regards to the axis of rotation).
    Now, the crust at this "equator" would dilute so much, that it would
    crack. Cracks will be in vertical direction pointing to the compression
    point and its antipode.
    Now, exactly this happened on Earth after asteroid impacts. 35 mya it
    was asteroid impact at Popigai, north Siberia. African Rift valley
    points in that direction, and it started to emerge 35 mya.
    If you take a look at the mid-Atlantic ridge, you will see that it is
    shaped like "Z". The middle part of that "Z" points towards Yucatan,
    while the outer two parts point roughly towards Popigai and its
    antipode. "Roughly" just because the ridge that pointed to Yucatan
    probably already existed before the Popigai impact, so it messed up the direction of outer ridges.
    And so on, and so on...
    Maybe to point on that we have two types of crusts, dense and brittle
    ocean floor, and more sparse mainland, which is elastic.
    Now, those two will react differently on dilution. Brittle ocean floor
    will crack like glass, while mainland will start to inflate (just like
    less dense area of balloon, when you inflate it), pushed by the pressure
    of magma. During Popigai impact Kenya was at the half way point, and
    Kenya, which was a lowland at that time, started to inflate at that time.
    Of course, ocean floor cracks would eject a lot of lava, which will
    pollute ocean water, so this is why animals in ocean go extinct.

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  • From erik simpson@21:1/5 to Mario Petrinovic on Wed Dec 8 19:36:00 2021
    On Wednesday, December 8, 2021 at 5:50:20 PM UTC-8, Mario Petrinovic wrote:
    On 8.12.2021. 23:20, jillery wrote:
    On Wed, 8 Dec 2021 06:45:19 +0100, Mario Petrinovic <mario.pe...@zg.htnet.hr> wrote:

    The term "traps" I am using here only to make parallel with the Deccan
    traps.
    We see that Deccan traps were at the opposite side of Yucatan asteroid
    impact. Well, at the opposite side of Popigai asteroid impact is Drake
    Passage.
    Ice began to collect on Antarctica some 45.5 mya. But it intensified
    at the time of Popigai impact. They don't know when Drake Passage opened >> (sometime 47 to 17 mya), but they take that opening of Drake Passage
    could have a role in intensifying the collection of ice on Antarctica:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antarctic_ice_sheet#History
    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/1b/65_Myr_Climate_Change.png


    Since you mention the Deccan Traps and Yucutan asteroid aka Chicxulub,
    you might find interesting some things Douglas Erwin wrote about these things in his book "Extinction". Apparently there is a correlation
    between earthquakes and volcanic eruptions, that earthquakes tend to
    cause nearby volcanoes to erupt, depending on distance. Calculations
    show that the Chicxulub impact had the energy at the epicenter
    equivalent to exceeding magnitude 11, and so almost certainly caused
    the entire Earth to shake violently. Although the Deccan Traps were
    likely already erupting, the impact would have increased their
    activity regardless of where they were on Earth.
    My view is that such a theory produces the one who lives in the
    darkness of not knowing.
    Per my view, things are pretty simple. Take an orange as a model for
    Earth. It has soft inside, it has crust.
    Put it on a table, and press it from above. You will compress the
    orange in a vertical direction. The compression will be the biggest
    directly up, but this force will act vertically down.
    Now, since it has crust, as much as it is compressed vertically, that
    much it will dilute horizontally. The dilution will be the biggest at
    the half way point between upper pressure point, and it6s antipode (so,
    like, on the equator, a temporal, like, equator, in regards to the
    pressure point, not in regards to the axis of rotation).
    Now, the crust at this "equator" would dilute so much, that it would
    crack. Cracks will be in vertical direction pointing to the compression
    point and its antipode.
    Now, exactly this happened on Earth after asteroid impacts. 35 mya it
    was asteroid impact at Popigai, north Siberia. African Rift valley
    points in that direction, and it started to emerge 35 mya.
    If you take a look at the mid-Atlantic ridge, you will see that it is
    shaped like "Z". The middle part of that "Z" points towards Yucatan,
    while the outer two parts point roughly towards Popigai and its
    antipode. "Roughly" just because the ridge that pointed to Yucatan
    probably already existed before the Popigai impact, so it messed up the direction of outer ridges.
    And so on, and so on...
    Maybe to point on that we have two types of crusts, dense and brittle
    ocean floor, and more sparse mainland, which is elastic.
    Now, those two will react differently on dilution. Brittle ocean floor
    will crack like glass, while mainland will start to inflate (just like
    less dense area of balloon, when you inflate it), pushed by the pressure
    of magma. During Popigai impact Kenya was at the half way point, and
    Kenya, which was a lowland at that time, started to inflate at that time.
    Of course, ocean floor cracks would eject a lot of lava, which will
    pollute ocean water, so this is why animals in ocean go extinct.

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    An orange is a VERY poor model for the structure of the earth. So poor, in fact
    that there is no use in pointing out the misconceptions you have. You need to read
    more about what is known (lots, but definitely not all) about the earth's internals. It'll
    take a while.

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  • From Mario Petrinovic@21:1/5 to erik simpson on Thu Dec 9 05:47:45 2021
    On 9.12.2021. 4:36, erik simpson wrote:
    On Wednesday, December 8, 2021 at 5:50:20 PM UTC-8, Mario Petrinovic wrote:
    On 8.12.2021. 23:20, jillery wrote:
    On Wed, 8 Dec 2021 06:45:19 +0100, Mario Petrinovic
    <mario.pe...@zg.htnet.hr> wrote:

    The term "traps" I am using here only to make parallel with the Deccan >>>> traps.
    We see that Deccan traps were at the opposite side of Yucatan asteroid >>>> impact. Well, at the opposite side of Popigai asteroid impact is Drake >>>> Passage.
    Ice began to collect on Antarctica some 45.5 mya. But it intensified
    at the time of Popigai impact. They don't know when Drake Passage opened >>>> (sometime 47 to 17 mya), but they take that opening of Drake Passage
    could have a role in intensifying the collection of ice on Antarctica: >>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antarctic_ice_sheet#History
    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/1b/65_Myr_Climate_Change.png


    Since you mention the Deccan Traps and Yucutan asteroid aka Chicxulub,
    you might find interesting some things Douglas Erwin wrote about these
    things in his book "Extinction". Apparently there is a correlation
    between earthquakes and volcanic eruptions, that earthquakes tend to
    cause nearby volcanoes to erupt, depending on distance. Calculations
    show that the Chicxulub impact had the energy at the epicenter
    equivalent to exceeding magnitude 11, and so almost certainly caused
    the entire Earth to shake violently. Although the Deccan Traps were
    likely already erupting, the impact would have increased their
    activity regardless of where they were on Earth.
    My view is that such a theory produces the one who lives in the
    darkness of not knowing.
    Per my view, things are pretty simple. Take an orange as a model for
    Earth. It has soft inside, it has crust.
    Put it on a table, and press it from above. You will compress the
    orange in a vertical direction. The compression will be the biggest
    directly up, but this force will act vertically down.
    Now, since it has crust, as much as it is compressed vertically, that
    much it will dilute horizontally. The dilution will be the biggest at
    the half way point between upper pressure point, and it6s antipode (so,
    like, on the equator, a temporal, like, equator, in regards to the
    pressure point, not in regards to the axis of rotation).
    Now, the crust at this "equator" would dilute so much, that it would
    crack. Cracks will be in vertical direction pointing to the compression
    point and its antipode.
    Now, exactly this happened on Earth after asteroid impacts. 35 mya it
    was asteroid impact at Popigai, north Siberia. African Rift valley
    points in that direction, and it started to emerge 35 mya.
    If you take a look at the mid-Atlantic ridge, you will see that it is
    shaped like "Z". The middle part of that "Z" points towards Yucatan,
    while the outer two parts point roughly towards Popigai and its
    antipode. "Roughly" just because the ridge that pointed to Yucatan
    probably already existed before the Popigai impact, so it messed up the
    direction of outer ridges.
    And so on, and so on...
    Maybe to point on that we have two types of crusts, dense and brittle
    ocean floor, and more sparse mainland, which is elastic.
    Now, those two will react differently on dilution. Brittle ocean floor
    will crack like glass, while mainland will start to inflate (just like
    less dense area of balloon, when you inflate it), pushed by the pressure
    of magma. During Popigai impact Kenya was at the half way point, and
    Kenya, which was a lowland at that time, started to inflate at that time.
    Of course, ocean floor cracks would eject a lot of lava, which will
    pollute ocean water, so this is why animals in ocean go extinct.

    An orange is a VERY poor model for the structure of the earth. So poor, in fact
    that there is no use in pointing out the misconceptions you have. You need to read
    more about what is known (lots, but definitely not all) about the earth's internals. It'll
    take a while.

    As we can see, unexplained happenings from our geo-past can be explained by this model. It is me who explained them, not you.
    All that you said is that you have the knowledge, and that I don't
    have it. Which is true, no problem with that. But, the thing is that I
    have enough knowledge to understand something, while I didn't hear you,
    with all your knowledge, that you managed to understand something.

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  • From jillery@21:1/5 to mario.petrinovic1@zg.htnet.hr on Thu Dec 9 20:32:24 2021
    On Thu, 9 Dec 2021 02:50:19 +0100, Mario Petrinovic <mario.petrinovic1@zg.htnet.hr> wrote:

    On 8.12.2021. 23:20, jillery wrote:
    On Wed, 8 Dec 2021 06:45:19 +0100, Mario Petrinovic
    <mario.petrinovic1@zg.htnet.hr> wrote:

    The term "traps" I am using here only to make parallel with the Deccan
    traps.
    We see that Deccan traps were at the opposite side of Yucatan asteroid
    impact. Well, at the opposite side of Popigai asteroid impact is Drake
    Passage.
    Ice began to collect on Antarctica some 45.5 mya. But it intensified
    at the time of Popigai impact. They don't know when Drake Passage opened >>> (sometime 47 to 17 mya), but they take that opening of Drake Passage
    could have a role in intensifying the collection of ice on Antarctica:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antarctic_ice_sheet#History
    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/1b/65_Myr_Climate_Change.png


    Since you mention the Deccan Traps and Yucutan asteroid aka Chicxulub,
    you might find interesting some things Douglas Erwin wrote about these
    things in his book "Extinction". Apparently there is a correlation
    between earthquakes and volcanic eruptions, that earthquakes tend to
    cause nearby volcanoes to erupt, depending on distance. Calculations
    show that the Chicxulub impact had the energy at the epicenter
    equivalent to exceeding magnitude 11, and so almost certainly caused
    the entire Earth to shake violently. Although the Deccan Traps were
    likely already erupting, the impact would have increased their
    activity regardless of where they were on Earth.

    My view is that such a theory produces the one who lives in the
    darkness of not knowing.


    While there are people who fit your description above, you should read
    the book and its cites before you declare Douglas Erwin to be one of
    them.

    While the Chicxulub impactor was large, about 7×10^15 kg, the Earth is
    much, much larger, about 6×10^24 kg. The Earth would not have
    deformed as you describe below, except as a gross exaggeration.
    Instead of slow-motion plastic deformation, the Earth rang like a
    church bell hit by a bullet, with a clearly defined impact crater.

    Also, the Mid-Atlantic Ridge is at least 200 myo, and so its shape was well-established before Chicxulub struck 66 mya.

    Finally, there are explanations based on evidence, and there are
    just-so stories based on made-up facts. People who live in the
    darkness of not knowing prefer the latter.


    Per my view, things are pretty simple. Take an orange as a model for
    Earth. It has soft inside, it has crust.
    Put it on a table, and press it from above. You will compress the
    orange in a vertical direction. The compression will be the biggest
    directly up, but this force will act vertically down.
    Now, since it has crust, as much as it is compressed vertically, that
    much it will dilute horizontally. The dilution will be the biggest at
    the half way point between upper pressure point, and it6s antipode (so, >like, on the equator, a temporal, like, equator, in regards to the
    pressure point, not in regards to the axis of rotation).
    Now, the crust at this "equator" would dilute so much, that it would
    crack. Cracks will be in vertical direction pointing to the compression >point and its antipode.
    Now, exactly this happened on Earth after asteroid impacts. 35 mya it
    was asteroid impact at Popigai, north Siberia. African Rift valley
    points in that direction, and it started to emerge 35 mya.
    If you take a look at the mid-Atlantic ridge, you will see that it is
    shaped like "Z". The middle part of that "Z" points towards Yucatan,
    while the outer two parts point roughly towards Popigai and its
    antipode. "Roughly" just because the ridge that pointed to Yucatan
    probably already existed before the Popigai impact, so it messed up the >direction of outer ridges.
    And so on, and so on...
    Maybe to point on that we have two types of crusts, dense and brittle
    ocean floor, and more sparse mainland, which is elastic.
    Now, those two will react differently on dilution. Brittle ocean floor
    will crack like glass, while mainland will start to inflate (just like
    less dense area of balloon, when you inflate it), pushed by the pressure
    of magma. During Popigai impact Kenya was at the half way point, and
    Kenya, which was a lowland at that time, started to inflate at that time.
    Of course, ocean floor cracks would eject a lot of lava, which will
    pollute ocean water, so this is why animals in ocean go extinct.

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  • From Mario Petrinovic@21:1/5 to jillery on Fri Dec 10 03:35:53 2021
    On 10.12.2021. 2:32, jillery wrote:
    On Thu, 9 Dec 2021 02:50:19 +0100, Mario Petrinovic <mario.petrinovic1@zg.htnet.hr> wrote:

    On 8.12.2021. 23:20, jillery wrote:
    On Wed, 8 Dec 2021 06:45:19 +0100, Mario Petrinovic
    <mario.petrinovic1@zg.htnet.hr> wrote:

    The term "traps" I am using here only to make parallel with the Deccan
    traps.
    We see that Deccan traps were at the opposite side of Yucatan asteroid
    impact. Well, at the opposite side of Popigai asteroid impact is Drake >>>> Passage.
    Ice began to collect on Antarctica some 45.5 mya. But it intensified
    at the time of Popigai impact. They don't know when Drake Passage opened >>>> (sometime 47 to 17 mya), but they take that opening of Drake Passage
    could have a role in intensifying the collection of ice on Antarctica: >>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antarctic_ice_sheet#History
    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/1b/65_Myr_Climate_Change.png


    Since you mention the Deccan Traps and Yucutan asteroid aka Chicxulub,
    you might find interesting some things Douglas Erwin wrote about these
    things in his book "Extinction". Apparently there is a correlation
    between earthquakes and volcanic eruptions, that earthquakes tend to
    cause nearby volcanoes to erupt, depending on distance. Calculations
    show that the Chicxulub impact had the energy at the epicenter
    equivalent to exceeding magnitude 11, and so almost certainly caused
    the entire Earth to shake violently. Although the Deccan Traps were
    likely already erupting, the impact would have increased their
    activity regardless of where they were on Earth.

    My view is that such a theory produces the one who lives in the >> darkness of not knowing.


    While there are people who fit your description above, you should read
    the book and its cites before you declare Douglas Erwin to be one of
    them.

    While the Chicxulub impactor was large, about 7×10^15 kg, the Earth is
    much, much larger, about 6×10^24 kg. The Earth would not have
    deformed as you describe below, except as a gross exaggeration.
    Instead of slow-motion plastic deformation, the Earth rang like a
    church bell hit by a bullet, with a clearly defined impact crater.

    Also, the Mid-Atlantic Ridge is at least 200 myo, and so its shape was well-established before Chicxulub struck 66 mya.

    Finally, there are explanations based on evidence, and there are
    just-so stories based on made-up facts. People who live in the
    darkness of not knowing prefer the latter.

    In books I only read few sentences of data that interests me, I am not
    interested in literacy. You can represent any idea with few sentences,
    you don't need to sell a book for that. You sell book for money. Or, of
    course, if that book is a collection of data, than the whole book has value.
    I was talking about crust, not about whole Earth. Crust flows above
    liquid magma. It is pretty unstable, as we can see. And also, features
    on it fit my view.
    Determining the age of such geologic features is very difficult. I
    still remember reading about some impact crater on Tibet plateau.
    Scientists aren't quiet sure if it is few tens of thousand years old, or possibly few million years old. Recently I found some paper that claims
    that Red Sea is 13 my old, while definitely it is something like 30 my old.
    The problem with explanations based on evidence is that evidence is
    problematic, and very prone to interpretation. We do have big brain, but
    is this the evidence of intelligence? The second thing, you cannot have evidence for everything, you only have partial evidence. If you don't
    take into account that majority of truth lies on things that you don't
    have evidence for, then your theory based only on what you have the
    evidence for is completely bogus. You, simply, have to account
    *everything* into your theory, both parts, the much smaller part that
    you have evidence for, and the much larger part that you don't have
    evidence for.
    Plus, every evidence can be put into question by anybody. You do an
    experiment, and you present the result. But, what is this evidence for?
    A global force? No, it is just your interpretation that this represents something that is global, but actually, this is only the evidence for
    this particular event. This is why they mention all those "materials and procedures" in papers. If you change only one of about 20 things that
    you are dealing with, the outcome of the experiment can be completely different. Change the temperature, altitude, magnetism, the time of day,
    or anything else, and the result will be more or less different. This is
    why you need to mention everything that you use and do. Change the
    version of the program that you are using, and the result can be different.
    So, everything is prone to interpretation. And, of course, smart
    people interpret things differently than stupid people. But, smart
    people are in minority, so the interpretation of stupid people is taken
    into account.
    And so on, and so on...
    Once I wrote something like 3 sheet of paper numbering all the faults
    of scientific way. Saying that, science is extremely useful, and the
    best thing we have, but to claim that it is god-like perfect, that it is
    never wrong, and always right, is just a religious view on science.
    Science is earthly thing, with a lot of faults.
    But, if you ask me, logic is the god-like, perfect thing. Logic works.
    See this:
    https://youtu.be/H9PY_3E3h2c

    Per my view, things are pretty simple. Take an orange as a model for
    Earth. It has soft inside, it has crust.
    Put it on a table, and press it from above. You will compress the
    orange in a vertical direction. The compression will be the biggest
    directly up, but this force will act vertically down.
    Now, since it has crust, as much as it is compressed vertically, that
    much it will dilute horizontally. The dilution will be the biggest at
    the half way point between upper pressure point, and it6s antipode (so,
    like, on the equator, a temporal, like, equator, in regards to the
    pressure point, not in regards to the axis of rotation).
    Now, the crust at this "equator" would dilute so much, that it would
    crack. Cracks will be in vertical direction pointing to the compression
    point and its antipode.
    Now, exactly this happened on Earth after asteroid impacts. 35 mya it
    was asteroid impact at Popigai, north Siberia. African Rift valley
    points in that direction, and it started to emerge 35 mya.
    If you take a look at the mid-Atlantic ridge, you will see that it is
    shaped like "Z". The middle part of that "Z" points towards Yucatan,
    while the outer two parts point roughly towards Popigai and its
    antipode. "Roughly" just because the ridge that pointed to Yucatan
    probably already existed before the Popigai impact, so it messed up the
    direction of outer ridges.
    And so on, and so on...
    Maybe to point on that we have two types of crusts, dense and brittle
    ocean floor, and more sparse mainland, which is elastic.
    Now, those two will react differently on dilution. Brittle ocean floor
    will crack like glass, while mainland will start to inflate (just like
    less dense area of balloon, when you inflate it), pushed by the pressure
    of magma. During Popigai impact Kenya was at the half way point, and
    Kenya, which was a lowland at that time, started to inflate at that time.
    Of course, ocean floor cracks would eject a lot of lava, which will
    pollute ocean water, so this is why animals in ocean go extinct.

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  • From Mario Petrinovic@21:1/5 to jillery on Fri Dec 10 06:11:55 2021
    On 10.12.2021. 5:30, jillery wrote:
    On Fri, 10 Dec 2021 03:35:53 +0100, Mario Petrinovic <mario.petrinovic1@zg.htnet.hr> wrote:

    On 10.12.2021. 2:32, jillery wrote:
    On Thu, 9 Dec 2021 02:50:19 +0100, Mario Petrinovic
    <mario.petrinovic1@zg.htnet.hr> wrote:

    On 8.12.2021. 23:20, jillery wrote:
    On Wed, 8 Dec 2021 06:45:19 +0100, Mario Petrinovic
    <mario.petrinovic1@zg.htnet.hr> wrote:

    The term "traps" I am using here only to make parallel with the Deccan
    traps.
    We see that Deccan traps were at the opposite side of Yucatan asteroid
    impact. Well, at the opposite side of Popigai asteroid impact is Drake >>>>>> Passage.
    Ice began to collect on Antarctica some 45.5 mya. But it intensified
    at the time of Popigai impact. They don't know when Drake Passage opened >>>>>> (sometime 47 to 17 mya), but they take that opening of Drake Passage >>>>>> could have a role in intensifying the collection of ice on Antarctica: >>>>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antarctic_ice_sheet#History
    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/1b/65_Myr_Climate_Change.png


    Since you mention the Deccan Traps and Yucutan asteroid aka Chicxulub, >>>>> you might find interesting some things Douglas Erwin wrote about these >>>>> things in his book "Extinction". Apparently there is a correlation
    between earthquakes and volcanic eruptions, that earthquakes tend to >>>>> cause nearby volcanoes to erupt, depending on distance. Calculations >>>>> show that the Chicxulub impact had the energy at the epicenter
    equivalent to exceeding magnitude 11, and so almost certainly caused >>>>> the entire Earth to shake violently. Although the Deccan Traps were >>>>> likely already erupting, the impact would have increased their
    activity regardless of where they were on Earth.

    My view is that such a theory produces the one who lives in the >>>> darkness of not knowing.


    While there are people who fit your description above, you should read
    the book and its cites before you declare Douglas Erwin to be one of
    them.

    While the Chicxulub impactor was large, about 7×10^15 kg, the Earth is
    much, much larger, about 6×10^24 kg. The Earth would not have
    deformed as you describe below, except as a gross exaggeration.
    Instead of slow-motion plastic deformation, the Earth rang like a
    church bell hit by a bullet, with a clearly defined impact crater.

    Also, the Mid-Atlantic Ridge is at least 200 myo, and so its shape was
    well-established before Chicxulub struck 66 mya.

    Finally, there are explanations based on evidence, and there are
    just-so stories based on made-up facts. People who live in the
    darkness of not knowing prefer the latter.

    In books I only read few sentences of data that interests me, I am not
    interested in literacy.


    Read the book before you criticize it, else you end up sounding like
    someone living in the darkness of not knowing.

    Good enough for me. This "argument" reminds me on Bible. You cannot
    criticize it if you didn't read it altogether. Nice "argument" you have.
    I was talking about what you said about the book, I don't care about the
    book, I care about ideas, not about books or their authors. My ideas are
    never about me.

    You can represent any idea with few sentences,
    you don't need to sell a book for that. You sell book for money. Or, of
    course, if that book is a collection of data, than the whole book has value. >> I was talking about crust, not about whole Earth. Crust flows above
    liquid magma. It is pretty unstable, as we can see. And also, features
    on it fit my view.


    Liquid magma is not part of the crust, it's part of Earth's gooey
    insides.

    Well, didn't I say that crust is above magma, or something?

    Determining the age of such geologic features is very difficult. I
    still remember reading about some impact crater on Tibet plateau.
    Scientists aren't quiet sure if it is few tens of thousand years old, or
    possibly few million years old. Recently I found some paper that claims
    that Red Sea is 13 my old, while definitely it is something like 30 my old.


    Since you deny my evidence-based facts, how do you know about the
    facts you posted about Antarctica and the Drake Passage and the Deccan
    Traps? It's not logical for you to present evidence-based facts and
    then criticize me for doing the same.

    I was talking about a lot of evidence, you were talking only about one
    evidence, or some narrow field of evidences.
    BTW, it isn't about the evidence, it is about the logic that connects
    different evidence, that explains all the different things. I said, this
    is the same mechanism as in orange. You say, I have the exact photo of
    what happened, my single evidence, which is only loosely connected to
    some other evidence, is the exact photo, is all the evidence that you
    need, no need to connect it to other things, this evidence is everything
    that you need. It doesn't need bonds to other things, it is
    self-explanatory. You don't say, this logic connects this evidence to
    some other evidence, you just said that this evidence is the key that
    explains everything. Something like circular thinking.

    The problem with explanations based on evidence is that evidence is
    problematic, and very prone to interpretation. We do have big brain, but
    is this the evidence of intelligence? The second thing, you cannot have
    evidence for everything, you only have partial evidence. If you don't
    take into account that majority of truth lies on things that you don't
    have evidence for, then your theory based only on what you have the
    evidence for is completely bogus. You, simply, have to account
    *everything* into your theory, both parts, the much smaller part that
    you have evidence for, and the much larger part that you don't have
    evidence for.


    Whatever problems there are with evidence, the problems with made-up
    facts are magnitudes worse.

    Oh, definitely. This isn't for fools, this is only for smart people.
    Evidence-based explanations are tailored so that every idiot can easily "understand" it. When you have a movie shot 45 kya with Neanderthals on
    it, every idiot sees how Neanderthals looked like. But, when you lack a
    lot, now this is when only smart people can give some credible (more or
    less) answers. Idiots will be completely lost.

    Plus, every evidence can be put into question by anybody. You do an
    experiment, and you present the result. But, what is this evidence for?
    A global force? No, it is just your interpretation that this represents
    something that is global, but actually, this is only the evidence for
    this particular event. This is why they mention all those "materials and
    procedures" in papers. If you change only one of about 20 things that
    you are dealing with, the outcome of the experiment can be completely
    different. Change the temperature, altitude, magnetism, the time of day,
    or anything else, and the result will be more or less different. This is
    why you need to mention everything that you use and do. Change the
    version of the program that you are using, and the result can be different. >> So, everything is prone to interpretation. And, of course, smart
    people interpret things differently than stupid people. But, smart
    people are in minority, so the interpretation of stupid people is taken
    into account.
    And so on, and so on...
    Once I wrote something like 3 sheet of paper numbering all the faults
    of scientific way. Saying that, science is extremely useful, and the
    best thing we have, but to claim that it is god-like perfect, that it is
    never wrong, and always right, is just a religious view on science.
    Science is earthly thing, with a lot of faults.
    But, if you ask me, logic is the god-like, perfect thing. Logic works.
    See this:
    https://youtu.be/H9PY_3E3h2c

    Per my view, things are pretty simple. Take an orange as a model for
    Earth. It has soft inside, it has crust.
    Put it on a table, and press it from above. You will compress the
    orange in a vertical direction. The compression will be the biggest
    directly up, but this force will act vertically down.
    Now, since it has crust, as much as it is compressed vertically, that
    much it will dilute horizontally. The dilution will be the biggest at
    the half way point between upper pressure point, and it6s antipode (so, >>>> like, on the equator, a temporal, like, equator, in regards to the
    pressure point, not in regards to the axis of rotation).
    Now, the crust at this "equator" would dilute so much, that it would
    crack. Cracks will be in vertical direction pointing to the compression >>>> point and its antipode.
    Now, exactly this happened on Earth after asteroid impacts. 35 mya it
    was asteroid impact at Popigai, north Siberia. African Rift valley
    points in that direction, and it started to emerge 35 mya.
    If you take a look at the mid-Atlantic ridge, you will see that it is
    shaped like "Z". The middle part of that "Z" points towards Yucatan,
    while the outer two parts point roughly towards Popigai and its
    antipode. "Roughly" just because the ridge that pointed to Yucatan
    probably already existed before the Popigai impact, so it messed up the >>>> direction of outer ridges.
    And so on, and so on...
    Maybe to point on that we have two types of crusts, dense and brittle
    ocean floor, and more sparse mainland, which is elastic.
    Now, those two will react differently on dilution. Brittle ocean floor
    will crack like glass, while mainland will start to inflate (just like >>>> less dense area of balloon, when you inflate it), pushed by the pressure >>>> of magma. During Popigai impact Kenya was at the half way point, and
    Kenya, which was a lowland at that time, started to inflate at that time. >>>> Of course, ocean floor cracks would eject a lot of lava, which will
    pollute ocean water, so this is why animals in ocean go extinct.

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  • From jillery@21:1/5 to mario.petrinovic1@zg.htnet.hr on Thu Dec 9 23:30:32 2021
    On Fri, 10 Dec 2021 03:35:53 +0100, Mario Petrinovic <mario.petrinovic1@zg.htnet.hr> wrote:

    On 10.12.2021. 2:32, jillery wrote:
    On Thu, 9 Dec 2021 02:50:19 +0100, Mario Petrinovic
    <mario.petrinovic1@zg.htnet.hr> wrote:

    On 8.12.2021. 23:20, jillery wrote:
    On Wed, 8 Dec 2021 06:45:19 +0100, Mario Petrinovic
    <mario.petrinovic1@zg.htnet.hr> wrote:

    The term "traps" I am using here only to make parallel with the Deccan
    traps.
    We see that Deccan traps were at the opposite side of Yucatan asteroid
    impact. Well, at the opposite side of Popigai asteroid impact is Drake >>>>> Passage.
    Ice began to collect on Antarctica some 45.5 mya. But it intensified
    at the time of Popigai impact. They don't know when Drake Passage opened >>>>> (sometime 47 to 17 mya), but they take that opening of Drake Passage >>>>> could have a role in intensifying the collection of ice on Antarctica: >>>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antarctic_ice_sheet#History
    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/1b/65_Myr_Climate_Change.png


    Since you mention the Deccan Traps and Yucutan asteroid aka Chicxulub, >>>> you might find interesting some things Douglas Erwin wrote about these >>>> things in his book "Extinction". Apparently there is a correlation
    between earthquakes and volcanic eruptions, that earthquakes tend to
    cause nearby volcanoes to erupt, depending on distance. Calculations
    show that the Chicxulub impact had the energy at the epicenter
    equivalent to exceeding magnitude 11, and so almost certainly caused
    the entire Earth to shake violently. Although the Deccan Traps were
    likely already erupting, the impact would have increased their
    activity regardless of where they were on Earth.

    My view is that such a theory produces the one who lives in the >>> darkness of not knowing.


    While there are people who fit your description above, you should read
    the book and its cites before you declare Douglas Erwin to be one of
    them.

    While the Chicxulub impactor was large, about 7×10^15 kg, the Earth is
    much, much larger, about 6×10^24 kg. The Earth would not have
    deformed as you describe below, except as a gross exaggeration.
    Instead of slow-motion plastic deformation, the Earth rang like a
    church bell hit by a bullet, with a clearly defined impact crater.

    Also, the Mid-Atlantic Ridge is at least 200 myo, and so its shape was
    well-established before Chicxulub struck 66 mya.

    Finally, there are explanations based on evidence, and there are
    just-so stories based on made-up facts. People who live in the
    darkness of not knowing prefer the latter.

    In books I only read few sentences of data that interests me, I am not
    interested in literacy.


    Read the book before you criticize it, else you end up sounding like
    someone living in the darkness of not knowing.


    You can represent any idea with few sentences,
    you don't need to sell a book for that. You sell book for money. Or, of >course, if that book is a collection of data, than the whole book has value.
    I was talking about crust, not about whole Earth. Crust flows above
    liquid magma. It is pretty unstable, as we can see. And also, features
    on it fit my view.


    Liquid magma is not part of the crust, it's part of Earth's gooey
    insides.


    Determining the age of such geologic features is very difficult. I
    still remember reading about some impact crater on Tibet plateau.
    Scientists aren't quiet sure if it is few tens of thousand years old, or >possibly few million years old. Recently I found some paper that claims
    that Red Sea is 13 my old, while definitely it is something like 30 my old.


    Since you deny my evidence-based facts, how do you know about the
    facts you posted about Antarctica and the Drake Passage and the Deccan
    Traps? It's not logical for you to present evidence-based facts and
    then criticize me for doing the same.


    The problem with explanations based on evidence is that evidence is
    problematic, and very prone to interpretation. We do have big brain, but
    is this the evidence of intelligence? The second thing, you cannot have >evidence for everything, you only have partial evidence. If you don't
    take into account that majority of truth lies on things that you don't
    have evidence for, then your theory based only on what you have the
    evidence for is completely bogus. You, simply, have to account
    *everything* into your theory, both parts, the much smaller part that
    you have evidence for, and the much larger part that you don't have
    evidence for.


    Whatever problems there are with evidence, the problems with made-up
    facts are magnitudes worse.


    Plus, every evidence can be put into question by anybody. You do an
    experiment, and you present the result. But, what is this evidence for?
    A global force? No, it is just your interpretation that this represents >something that is global, but actually, this is only the evidence for
    this particular event. This is why they mention all those "materials and >procedures" in papers. If you change only one of about 20 things that
    you are dealing with, the outcome of the experiment can be completely >different. Change the temperature, altitude, magnetism, the time of day,
    or anything else, and the result will be more or less different. This is
    why you need to mention everything that you use and do. Change the
    version of the program that you are using, and the result can be different.
    So, everything is prone to interpretation. And, of course, smart
    people interpret things differently than stupid people. But, smart
    people are in minority, so the interpretation of stupid people is taken
    into account.
    And so on, and so on...
    Once I wrote something like 3 sheet of paper numbering all the faults
    of scientific way. Saying that, science is extremely useful, and the
    best thing we have, but to claim that it is god-like perfect, that it is >never wrong, and always right, is just a religious view on science.
    Science is earthly thing, with a lot of faults.
    But, if you ask me, logic is the god-like, perfect thing. Logic works.
    See this:
    https://youtu.be/H9PY_3E3h2c

    Per my view, things are pretty simple. Take an orange as a model for
    Earth. It has soft inside, it has crust.
    Put it on a table, and press it from above. You will compress the
    orange in a vertical direction. The compression will be the biggest
    directly up, but this force will act vertically down.
    Now, since it has crust, as much as it is compressed vertically, that
    much it will dilute horizontally. The dilution will be the biggest at
    the half way point between upper pressure point, and it6s antipode (so,
    like, on the equator, a temporal, like, equator, in regards to the
    pressure point, not in regards to the axis of rotation).
    Now, the crust at this "equator" would dilute so much, that it would
    crack. Cracks will be in vertical direction pointing to the compression
    point and its antipode.
    Now, exactly this happened on Earth after asteroid impacts. 35 mya it
    was asteroid impact at Popigai, north Siberia. African Rift valley
    points in that direction, and it started to emerge 35 mya.
    If you take a look at the mid-Atlantic ridge, you will see that it is
    shaped like "Z". The middle part of that "Z" points towards Yucatan,
    while the outer two parts point roughly towards Popigai and its
    antipode. "Roughly" just because the ridge that pointed to Yucatan
    probably already existed before the Popigai impact, so it messed up the
    direction of outer ridges.
    And so on, and so on...
    Maybe to point on that we have two types of crusts, dense and brittle
    ocean floor, and more sparse mainland, which is elastic.
    Now, those two will react differently on dilution. Brittle ocean floor
    will crack like glass, while mainland will start to inflate (just like
    less dense area of balloon, when you inflate it), pushed by the pressure >>> of magma. During Popigai impact Kenya was at the half way point, and
    Kenya, which was a lowland at that time, started to inflate at that time. >>> Of course, ocean floor cracks would eject a lot of lava, which will
    pollute ocean water, so this is why animals in ocean go extinct.

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