• Mutations, God and Picasso

    From Mario Petrinovic@21:1/5 to All on Sun Aug 20 00:30:44 2023
    Now, somebody says that beaks are the product of mutation. But, don't
    you notice that this "mutation" is just at the right place for the
    purpose? For example, why would we have a mutation that places beak
    right at the center of the face, why not 1 cm to the left, or 1 cm to
    the right? Why we don't have a mutation that places beak on the ass, or
    on the right elbow? So, this implies that we had a lot of wrong
    mutations until finally one didn't come up just at the right place, I
    mean right to the millimeter. Or, for example, before beak we had a
    mutation that grew a trunk, or something else. Why don't we have human
    babies born with beaks on their asses? Actually, mutations can produce anything, why we don't have babies born with plastic bottle of Coca-Cola
    coming from their asses.
    I mean, per this theory we all would look like Picasso's paintings.
    Only God can place everything just at the right spot. So, now we have
    millions of people looking like Picasso's paintings, and by accident one
    was born looking like Brad Pitt. Do you think that this guy would
    survive? Not a chance, the rest of us will be jealous and kill him.
    This theory is stupid as hell, but it is easy to be used, if you don't
    know why something happens, then it is climate, or a mutation. A lot of
    animals went extinct, why? Ah, it's easy, it is because of climate. Lol.
    Nobody can say anything against it. Or, when some new animal emerges,
    why? Ah, it is easy, it is a mutation. My god, a kindergarten level.

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  • From John Harshman@21:1/5 to Mario Petrinovic on Sat Aug 19 17:02:10 2023
    On 8/19/23 3:30 PM, Mario Petrinovic wrote:
            Now, somebody says that beaks are the product of mutation. But,
    don't you notice that this "mutation" is just at the right place for the purpose? For example, why would we have a mutation that places beak
    right at the center of the face, why not 1 cm to the left, or 1 cm to
    the right?

    Because bilaterians have right-left symmetry in development.

    Why we don't have a mutation that places beak on the ass, or
    on the right elbow?

    Because in such a case it wouldn't be a beak.

    So, this implies that we had a lot of wrong
    mutations until finally one didn't come up just at the right place, I
    mean right to the millimeter. Or, for example, before beak we had a
    mutation that grew a trunk, or something else. Why don't we have human
    babies born with beaks on their asses? Actually, mutations can produce anything, why we don't have babies born with plastic bottle of Coca-Cola coming from their asses.
            I mean, per this theory we all would look like Picasso's paintings. Only God can place everything just at the right spot. So, now
    we have millions of people looking like Picasso's paintings, and by
    accident one was born looking like Brad Pitt. Do you think that this guy would survive? Not a chance, the rest of us will be jealous and kill him.
            This theory is stupid as hell, but it is easy to be used, if you don't know why something happens, then it is climate, or a mutation.
    A lot of animals went extinct, why? Ah, it's easy, it is because of
    climate. Lol. Nobody can say anything against it. Or, when some new
    animal emerges, why? Ah, it is easy, it is a mutation. My god, a
    kindergarten level.

    What emerges from this nonsense is that you have no idea what mutations
    are, what causes them, or what sorts happen. Do you understand that we
    can study the mutational history of taxa by examining their genomes and
    those of related species? I suggest that you start learning something
    about molecular genetics and evolutionary biology. Some basic college
    texts would be useful. Futuyma's Evolution is a start.

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  • From Mario Petrinovic@21:1/5 to John Harshman on Sun Aug 20 02:27:37 2023
    On 20.8.2023. 2:02, John Harshman wrote:
    On 8/19/23 3:30 PM, Mario Petrinovic wrote:
             Now, somebody says that beaks are the product of mutation. >> But, don't you notice that this "mutation" is just at the right place
    for the purpose? For example, why would we have a mutation that places
    beak right at the center of the face, why not 1 cm to the left, or 1
    cm to the right?

    Because bilaterians have right-left symmetry in development.

    Why we don't have a mutation that places beak on the ass, or on the
    right elbow?

    Because in such a case it wouldn't be a beak.

    So, this implies that we had a lot of wrong mutations until finally
    one didn't come up just at the right place, I mean right to the
    millimeter. Or, for example, before beak we had a mutation that grew a
    trunk, or something else. Why don't we have human babies born with
    beaks on their asses? Actually, mutations can produce anything, why we
    don't have babies born with plastic bottle of Coca-Cola coming from
    their asses.
             I mean, per this theory we all would look like Picasso's
    paintings. Only God can place everything just at the right spot. So,
    now we have millions of people looking like Picasso's paintings, and
    by accident one was born looking like Brad Pitt. Do you think that
    this guy would survive? Not a chance, the rest of us will be jealous
    and kill him.
             This theory is stupid as hell, but it is easy to be used, if
    you don't know why something happens, then it is climate, or a
    mutation. A lot of animals went extinct, why? Ah, it's easy, it is
    because of climate. Lol. Nobody can say anything against it. Or, when
    some new animal emerges, why? Ah, it is easy, it is a mutation. My
    god, a kindergarten level.

    What emerges from this nonsense is that you have no idea what mutations
    are, what causes them, or what sorts happen. Do you understand that we
    can study the mutational history of taxa by examining their genomes and
    those of related species? I suggest that you start learning something
    about molecular genetics and evolutionary biology. Some basic college
    texts would be useful. Futuyma's Evolution is a start.

    Hm, you, who don't understand anything read something in some book. So
    typical.

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