• A biological perspective on evolutionary computation

    From Popping Mad@21:1/5 to All on Thu Apr 13 05:00:37 2023
    https://www.nature.com/articles/s42256-020-00278-8

    Abstract
    Evolutionary computation is inspired by the mechanisms of biological
    evolution. With algorithmic improvements and increasing computing
    resources, evolutionary computation has discovered creative and
    innovative solutions to challenging practical problems. This paper
    evaluates how today’s evolutionary computation compares to biological evolution and how it may fall short. A small number of well-accepted characteristics of biological evolution are considered: openendedness,
    major transitions in organizational structure, neutrality and genetic
    drift, multi-objectivity, complex genotype-to-phenotype mappings and co-evolution. Evolutionary computation exhibits many of these to some
    extent but more can be achieved by scaling up with available computing
    and by emulating biology more carefully. In particular, evolutionary computation diverges from biological evolution in three key respects: it
    is based on small populations and strong selection; it typically uses
    direct genotype-to-phenotype mappings; and it does not achieve major organizational transitions. These shortcomings suggest a roadmap for
    future evolutionary computation research, and point to gaps in our understanding of how biology discovers major transitions. Advances in
    these areas can lead to evolutionary computation that approaches the
    complexity and flexibility of biology, and can serve as an executable
    model of biological processes.

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  • From Popping Mad@21:1/5 to All on Thu Apr 13 04:46:55 2023
    https://www.nature.com/articles/s42256-020-00278-8

    Abstract
    Evolutionary computation is inspired by the mechanisms of biological
    evolution. With algorithmic improvements and increasing computing
    resources, evolutionary computation has discovered creative and
    innovative solutions to challenging practical problems. This paper
    evaluates how today’s evolutionary computation compares to biological evolution and how it may fall short. A small number of well-accepted characteristics of biological evolution are considered: openendedness,
    major transitions in organizational structure, neutrality and genetic
    drift, multi-objectivity, complex genotype-to-phenotype mappings and co-evolution. Evolutionary computation exhibits many of these to some
    extent but more can be achieved by scaling up with available computing
    and by emulating biology more carefully. In particular, evolutionary computation diverges from biological evolution in three key respects: it
    is based on small populations and strong selection; it typically uses
    direct genotype-to-phenotype mappings; and it does not achieve major organizational transitions. These shortcomings suggest a roadmap for
    future evolutionary computation research, and point to gaps in our understanding of how biology discovers major transitions. Advances in
    these areas can lead to evolutionary computation that approaches the
    complexity and flexibility of biology, and can serve as an executable
    model of biological processes.

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  • From John Harshman@21:1/5 to Popping Mad on Thu Apr 13 05:51:20 2023
    On 4/13/23 1:46 AM, Popping Mad wrote:
    https://www.nature.com/articles/s42256-020-00278-8

    Abstract
    Evolutionary computation is inspired by the mechanisms of biological evolution. With algorithmic improvements and increasing computing
    resources, evolutionary computation has discovered creative and
    innovative solutions to challenging practical problems. This paper
    evaluates how today’s evolutionary computation compares to biological evolution and how it may fall short. A small number of well-accepted characteristics of biological evolution are considered: openendedness,
    major transitions in organizational structure, neutrality and genetic
    drift, multi-objectivity, complex genotype-to-phenotype mappings and co-evolution. Evolutionary computation exhibits many of these to some
    extent but more can be achieved by scaling up with available computing
    and by emulating biology more carefully. In particular, evolutionary computation diverges from biological evolution in three key respects: it
    is based on small populations and strong selection; it typically uses
    direct genotype-to-phenotype mappings; and it does not achieve major organizational transitions. These shortcomings suggest a roadmap for
    future evolutionary computation research, and point to gaps in our understanding of how biology discovers major transitions. Advances in
    these areas can lead to evolutionary computation that approaches the complexity and flexibility of biology, and can serve as an executable
    model of biological processes.

    This does not seem very relevant to paleontology or even to systematics.

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  • From erik simpson@21:1/5 to Popping Mad on Thu Apr 13 08:12:07 2023
    On Thursday, April 13, 2023 at 2:00:48 AM UTC-7, Popping Mad wrote:
    https://www.nature.com/articles/s42256-020-00278-8

    Abstract
    Evolutionary computation is inspired by the mechanisms of biological evolution. With algorithmic improvements and increasing computing
    resources, evolutionary computation has discovered creative and
    innovative solutions to challenging practical problems. This paper
    evaluates how today’s evolutionary computation compares to biological evolution and how it may fall short. A small number of well-accepted characteristics of biological evolution are considered: openendedness,
    major transitions in organizational structure, neutrality and genetic
    drift, multi-objectivity, complex genotype-to-phenotype mappings and co-evolution. Evolutionary computation exhibits many of these to some
    extent but more can be achieved by scaling up with available computing
    and by emulating biology more carefully. In particular, evolutionary computation diverges from biological evolution in three key respects: it
    is based on small populations and strong selection; it typically uses
    direct genotype-to-phenotype mappings; and it does not achieve major organizational transitions. These shortcomings suggest a roadmap for
    future evolutionary computation research, and point to gaps in our understanding of how biology discovers major transitions. Advances in
    these areas can lead to evolutionary computation that approaches the complexity and flexibility of biology, and can serve as an executable
    model of biological processes.

    I share John's skepticism. This article has very little connection to anything. "Let's
    let AI do it!" is (at least to me) not a promising path to understanding. Even Elon Musk(!)
    suggests we ought to calm down a little. Artificial intelligence and artificial stupidity are
    still close cousins.

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  • From Popping Mad@21:1/5 to John Harshman on Thu Apr 13 23:35:21 2023
    On 4/13/23 08:51, John Harshman wrote:
    This does not seem very relevant to paleontology or even to systematics.


    You have a bit to learn. There is no such thing as systematics. There
    is only computational biology and biologial statistics.

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  • From John Harshman@21:1/5 to Popping Mad on Fri Apr 14 06:03:08 2023
    On 4/13/23 8:35 PM, Popping Mad wrote:
    On 4/13/23 08:51, John Harshman wrote:
    This does not seem very relevant to paleontology or even to systematics.


    You have a bit to learn. There is no such thing as systematics. There
    is only computational biology and biologial statistics.

    !

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  • From Ruben Safir@21:1/5 to John Harshman on Fri Apr 14 16:16:42 2023
    John Harshman <john.harshman@gmail.com> wrote:
    On 4/13/23 8:35 PM, Popping Mad wrote:
    On 4/13/23 08:51, John Harshman wrote:
    This does not seem very relevant to paleontology or even to systematics.


    You have a bit to learn. There is no such thing as systematics. There
    is only computational biology and biologial statistics.

    !


    Don't be suprised. I don't know what this resistence is in the Paleo
    community to hard math and Balesyain statistics.

    All evolutionary theory can be reduced to mathmatical alorithms with
    maps. I sort of giggled when I read current commentary on AI
    applications. There is a failure to understand what AI does and where
    the current state of the art is.

    The future of Paleo is just like it is for the rest of Biology, it is computational mathmatics. The same allgorthism used to describe
    econological problems and microbiology are also applicable to
    evolutionary problems and Paleontology.

    This is especially true as most geneitics is available.

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  • From Ruben Safir@21:1/5 to erik simpson on Fri Apr 14 16:18:40 2023
    erik simpson <eastside.erik@gmail.com> wrote:

    I share John's skepticism. This article has very little connection to anything. "Let's
    let AI do it!" is (at least to me) not a promising path to understanding. Even Elon Musk(!)
    suggests we ought to calm down a little. Artificial intelligence and artificial stupidity are
    still close cousins.


    It is too late to date Sharyn Tate?

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  • From John Harshman@21:1/5 to Ruben Safir on Fri Apr 14 14:47:49 2023
    On 4/14/23 9:16 AM, Ruben Safir wrote:
    John Harshman <john.harshman@gmail.com> wrote:
    On 4/13/23 8:35 PM, Popping Mad wrote:
    On 4/13/23 08:51, John Harshman wrote:
    This does not seem very relevant to paleontology or even to systematics. >>>

    You have a bit to learn. There is no such thing as systematics. There
    is only computational biology and biologial statistics.

    !


    Don't be suprised. I don't know what this resistence is in the Paleo community to hard math and Balesyain statistics.

    There is no such resistance. But your citation isn't relevant to
    paleontology. (I'm assuming you mean "Bayesian"?)

    All evolutionary theory can be reduced to mathmatical alorithms with
    maps. I sort of giggled when I read current commentary on AI
    applications. There is a failure to understand what AI does and where
    the current state of the art is.

    The future of Paleo is just like it is for the rest of Biology, it is computational mathmatics. The same allgorthism used to describe
    econological problems and microbiology are also applicable to
    evolutionary problems and Paleontology.

    This is especially true as most geneitics is available.

    ??

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  • From Popping Mad@21:1/5 to John Harshman on Fri Apr 14 19:10:20 2023
    On 4/14/23 17:47, John Harshman wrote:

    There is no such resistance. But your citation isn't relevant to paleontology.


    OK perhaps I made an error

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  • From John Harshman@21:1/5 to Popping Mad on Sat Apr 15 06:26:36 2023
    On 4/14/23 4:10 PM, Popping Mad wrote:
    On 4/14/23 17:47, John Harshman wrote:

    There is no such resistance. But your citation isn't relevant to
    paleontology.


    OK perhaps I made an error

    !!

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