• CO2, end-Permain extinction and PETM

    From Pandora@21:1/5 to All on Wed Sep 15 20:07:50 2021
    Massive and rapid predominantly volcanic CO2 emission during the
    end-Permian mass extinction

    Abstract

    The end-Permian mass extinction event (~252 Mya) is associated with
    one of the largest global carbon cycle perturbations in the
    Phanerozoic and is thought to be triggered by the Siberian Traps
    volcanism. Sizable carbon isotope excursions (CIEs) have been found at
    numerous sites around the world, suggesting massive quantities of
    13C-depleted CO2 input into the ocean and atmosphere system. The exact magnitude and cause of the CIEs, the pace of CO2 emission, and the
    total quantity of CO2, however, remain poorly known. Here, we quantify
    the CO2 emission in an Earth system model based on new
    compound-specific carbon isotope records from the Finnmark Platform
    and an astronomically tuned age model. By quantitatively comparing the
    modeled surface ocean pH and boron isotope pH proxy, a massive
    (~36,000 Gt C) and rapid emission (~5 Gt C yr-1) of largely volcanic
    CO2 source (~-15%) is necessary to drive the observed pattern of CIE,
    the abrupt decline in surface ocean pH, and the extreme global
    temperature increase. This suggests that the massive amount of
    greenhouse gases may have pushed the Earth system toward a critical
    tipping point, beyond which extreme changes in ocean pH and
    temperature led to irreversible mass extinction. The comparatively
    amplified CIE observed in higher plant leaf waxes suggests that the
    surface waters of the Finnmark Platform were likely out of equilibrium
    with the initial massive centennial-scale release of carbon from the
    massive Siberian Traps volcanism, supporting the rapidity of carbon
    injection. Our modeling work reveals that carbon emission pulses are accompanied by organic carbon burial, facilitated by widespread ocean
    anoxia.

    https://www.pnas.org/content/118/37/e2014701118

    Temporal Scaling of Carbon Emission and Accumulation Rates: Modern Anthropogenic Emissions Compared to Estimates of PETM Onset
    Accumulation

    Abstract

    The Paleocene-Eocene thermal maximum (PETM) was caused by a massive
    release of carbon to the atmosphere. This is a benchmark global
    greenhouse warming event that raised temperatures to their warmest
    since extinction of the dinosaurs. Rates of carbon emission today can
    be compared to those during onset of the PETM in two ways: (1)
    projection of long-term PETM rates for comparison on an annual time
    scale and (2) projection of short-term modern rates for comparison on
    a PETM time scale. Both require temporal scaling and extrapolation for comparison on the same time scale. PETM rates are few and projection
    to a short time scale is poorly constrained. Modern rates are many,
    and projection to a longer PETM time scale is tightly
    constrained—modern rates are some 9–10 times higher than those during
    onset of the PETM. If the present trend of anthropogenic emissions
    continues, we can expect to reach a PETM-scale accumulation of
    atmospheric carbon in as few as 140 to 259 years (about 5 to 10 human generations).

    https://agupubs.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1029/2018PA003379

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  • From Oxyaena@21:1/5 to Pandora on Thu Sep 16 23:56:25 2021
    On 9/15/2021 2:07 PM, Pandora wrote:
    Massive and rapid predominantly volcanic CO2 emission during the
    end-Permian mass extinction

    Abstract

    The end-Permian mass extinction event (~252 Mya) is associated with
    one of the largest global carbon cycle perturbations in the
    Phanerozoic and is thought to be triggered by the Siberian Traps
    volcanism. Sizable carbon isotope excursions (CIEs) have been found at numerous sites around the world, suggesting massive quantities of 13C-depleted CO2 input into the ocean and atmosphere system. The exact magnitude and cause of the CIEs, the pace of CO2 emission, and the
    total quantity of CO2, however, remain poorly known. Here, we quantify
    the CO2 emission in an Earth system model based on new
    compound-specific carbon isotope records from the Finnmark Platform
    and an astronomically tuned age model. By quantitatively comparing the modeled surface ocean pH and boron isotope pH proxy, a massive
    (~36,000 Gt C) and rapid emission (~5 Gt C yr-1) of largely volcanic
    CO2 source (~-15%) is necessary to drive the observed pattern of CIE,
    the abrupt decline in surface ocean pH, and the extreme global
    temperature increase. This suggests that the massive amount of
    greenhouse gases may have pushed the Earth system toward a critical
    tipping point, beyond which extreme changes in ocean pH and
    temperature led to irreversible mass extinction. The comparatively
    amplified CIE observed in higher plant leaf waxes suggests that the
    surface waters of the Finnmark Platform were likely out of equilibrium
    with the initial massive centennial-scale release of carbon from the
    massive Siberian Traps volcanism, supporting the rapidity of carbon injection. Our modeling work reveals that carbon emission pulses are accompanied by organic carbon burial, facilitated by widespread ocean
    anoxia.

    https://www.pnas.org/content/118/37/e2014701118

    Temporal Scaling of Carbon Emission and Accumulation Rates: Modern Anthropogenic Emissions Compared to Estimates of PETM Onset
    Accumulation

    Abstract

    The Paleocene-Eocene thermal maximum (PETM) was caused by a massive
    release of carbon to the atmosphere. This is a benchmark global
    greenhouse warming event that raised temperatures to their warmest
    since extinction of the dinosaurs. Rates of carbon emission today can
    be compared to those during onset of the PETM in two ways: (1)
    projection of long-term PETM rates for comparison on an annual time
    scale and (2) projection of short-term modern rates for comparison on
    a PETM time scale. Both require temporal scaling and extrapolation for comparison on the same time scale. PETM rates are few and projection
    to a short time scale is poorly constrained. Modern rates are many,
    and projection to a longer PETM time scale is tightly
    constrained—modern rates are some 9–10 times higher than those during onset of the PETM. If the present trend of anthropogenic emissions
    continues, we can expect to reach a PETM-scale accumulation of
    atmospheric carbon in as few as 140 to 259 years (about 5 to 10 human generations).

    https://agupubs.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1029/2018PA003379


    So we get to see a new Great Dying in the near future? Hooray!

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  • From Pandora@21:1/5 to All on Fri Sep 17 12:32:14 2021
    On Thu, 16 Sep 2021 23:56:25 -0400, Oxyaena <oxyaena@invalid.invalid>
    wrote:

    On 9/15/2021 2:07 PM, Pandora wrote:
    Massive and rapid predominantly volcanic CO2 emission during the
    end-Permian mass extinction

    Abstract

    The end-Permian mass extinction event (~252 Mya) is associated with
    one of the largest global carbon cycle perturbations in the
    Phanerozoic and is thought to be triggered by the Siberian Traps
    volcanism. Sizable carbon isotope excursions (CIEs) have been found at
    numerous sites around the world, suggesting massive quantities of
    13C-depleted CO2 input into the ocean and atmosphere system. The exact
    magnitude and cause of the CIEs, the pace of CO2 emission, and the
    total quantity of CO2, however, remain poorly known. Here, we quantify
    the CO2 emission in an Earth system model based on new
    compound-specific carbon isotope records from the Finnmark Platform
    and an astronomically tuned age model. By quantitatively comparing the
    modeled surface ocean pH and boron isotope pH proxy, a massive
    (~36,000 Gt C) and rapid emission (~5 Gt C yr-1) of largely volcanic
    CO2 source (~-15%) is necessary to drive the observed pattern of CIE,
    the abrupt decline in surface ocean pH, and the extreme global
    temperature increase. This suggests that the massive amount of
    greenhouse gases may have pushed the Earth system toward a critical
    tipping point, beyond which extreme changes in ocean pH and
    temperature led to irreversible mass extinction. The comparatively
    amplified CIE observed in higher plant leaf waxes suggests that the
    surface waters of the Finnmark Platform were likely out of equilibrium
    with the initial massive centennial-scale release of carbon from the
    massive Siberian Traps volcanism, supporting the rapidity of carbon
    injection. Our modeling work reveals that carbon emission pulses are
    accompanied by organic carbon burial, facilitated by widespread ocean
    anoxia.

    https://www.pnas.org/content/118/37/e2014701118

    Temporal Scaling of Carbon Emission and Accumulation Rates: Modern
    Anthropogenic Emissions Compared to Estimates of PETM Onset
    Accumulation

    Abstract

    The Paleocene-Eocene thermal maximum (PETM) was caused by a massive
    release of carbon to the atmosphere. This is a benchmark global
    greenhouse warming event that raised temperatures to their warmest
    since extinction of the dinosaurs. Rates of carbon emission today can
    be compared to those during onset of the PETM in two ways: (1)
    projection of long-term PETM rates for comparison on an annual time
    scale and (2) projection of short-term modern rates for comparison on
    a PETM time scale. Both require temporal scaling and extrapolation for
    comparison on the same time scale. PETM rates are few and projection
    to a short time scale is poorly constrained. Modern rates are many,
    and projection to a longer PETM time scale is tightly
    constrained—modern rates are some 9–10 times higher than those during
    onset of the PETM. If the present trend of anthropogenic emissions
    continues, we can expect to reach a PETM-scale accumulation of
    atmospheric carbon in as few as 140 to 259 years (about 5 to 10 human
    generations).

    https://agupubs.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1029/2018PA003379


    So we get to see a new Great Dying in the near future? Hooray!

    See also Whitmire hypothesis:
    https://doi.org/10.1017/S1473550417000271

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  • From Peter Nyikos@21:1/5 to Pandora on Fri Sep 17 06:51:52 2021
    On Wednesday, September 15, 2021 at 2:07:51 PM UTC-4, Pandora wrote:
    Massive and rapid predominantly volcanic CO2 emission during the
    end-Permian mass extinction

    Abstract

    The end-Permian mass extinction event (~252 Mya) is associated with
    one of the largest global carbon cycle perturbations in the
    Phanerozoic and is thought to be triggered by the Siberian Traps
    volcanism.

    This seems to be well established from investigation of the
    Siberian Traps themselves. On the other hand, I've never
    seen any hypotheses as to what caused the PETM,
    the subject of the second article whose abstract you
    are providing for us, Pandora.


    Sizable carbon isotope excursions (CIEs) have been found at
    numerous sites around the world, suggesting massive quantities of 13C-depleted CO2 input into the ocean and atmosphere system. The exact magnitude and cause of the CIEs, the pace of CO2 emission, and the
    total quantity of CO2, however, remain poorly known. Here, we quantify
    the CO2 emission in an Earth system model based on new
    compound-specific carbon isotope records from the Finnmark Platform
    and an astronomically tuned age model. By quantitatively comparing the modeled surface ocean pH and boron isotope pH proxy, a massive
    (~36,000 Gt C) and rapid emission (~5 Gt C yr-1) of largely volcanic
    CO2 source (~-15%) is necessary to drive the observed pattern of CIE,
    the abrupt decline in surface ocean pH, and the extreme global
    temperature increase. This suggests that the massive amount of
    greenhouse gases may have pushed the Earth system toward a critical
    tipping point, beyond which extreme changes in ocean pH and
    temperature led to irreversible mass extinction. The comparatively
    amplified CIE observed in higher plant leaf waxes suggests that the
    surface waters of the Finnmark Platform were likely out of equilibrium
    with the initial massive centennial-scale release of carbon from the
    massive Siberian Traps volcanism, supporting the rapidity of carbon injection. Our modeling work reveals that carbon emission pulses are accompanied by organic carbon burial, facilitated by widespread ocean anoxia.

    https://www.pnas.org/content/118/37/e2014701118

    Temporal Scaling of Carbon Emission and Accumulation Rates: Modern Anthropogenic Emissions Compared to Estimates of PETM Onset
    Accumulation

    Abstract

    The Paleocene-Eocene thermal maximum (PETM) was caused by a massive
    release of carbon to the atmosphere.

    Release from where, I wonder. The article gives a great many refernces
    to the hypothesized rates, but I couldn't find anything about possible causes.


    This is a benchmark global
    greenhouse warming event that raised temperatures to their warmest
    since extinction of the dinosaurs. Rates of carbon emission today can
    be compared to those during onset of the PETM in two ways: (1)
    projection of long-term PETM rates for comparison on an annual time
    scale and (2) projection of short-term modern rates for comparison on
    a PETM time scale. Both require temporal scaling and extrapolation for comparison on the same time scale. PETM rates are few and projection
    to a short time scale is poorly constrained. Modern rates are many,
    and projection to a longer PETM time scale is tightly
    constrained—modern rates are some 9–10 times higher than those during onset of the PETM. If the present trend of anthropogenic emissions continues, we can expect to reach a PETM-scale accumulation of
    atmospheric carbon in as few as 140 to 259 years (about 5 to 10 human generations).

    https://agupubs.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1029/2018PA003379

    The above criticisms notwithstanding, both of these are salutary
    reminders of where we are headed if nothing drastic is done.

    If the present massive rate of burning of fossil fuels continues
    unabated, I predict a collapse of civilization before 2300, not from global climate
    change -- drastic though that will be -- but from the inability to adjust
    to the new realities of how all our energy-dependent devices will be powered. Motor vehicles will be where the change will be most acutely felt.


    Peter Nyikos
    Professor, Dept. of Mathematics -- standard disclaimer--
    University of South Carolina
    http://people.math.sc.edu/nyikos

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  • From Peter Nyikos@21:1/5 to Pandora on Fri Sep 17 10:45:16 2021
    On Friday, September 17, 2021 at 6:32:17 AM UTC-4, Pandora wrote:
    On Thu, 16 Sep 2021 23:56:25 -0400, Oxyaena <oxy...@invalid.invalid>
    wrote:
    On 9/15/2021 2:07 PM, Pandora wrote:
    Massive and rapid predominantly volcanic CO2 emission during the
    end-Permian mass extinction

    <snip of well written abstract>
    https://www.pnas.org/content/118/37/e2014701118

    Second article:
    Temporal Scaling of Carbon Emission and Accumulation Rates: Modern
    Anthropogenic Emissions Compared to Estimates of PETM Onset
    Accumulation

    Abstract

    The Paleocene-Eocene thermal maximum (PETM) was caused by a massive
    release of carbon to the atmosphere.

    I wonder how this was determined in the absence of known causes
    of the release. If the situation were like it is now, the unusual level of warming
    could have triggered the release of vast amounts of methane from clathrates deep in the oceans, and the methane would have been a major contributor: methane, CH4, is a more potent greenhouse gas than CO2.


    This is a benchmark global
    greenhouse warming event that raised temperatures to their warmest
    since extinction of the dinosaurs. Rates of carbon emission today can
    be compared to those during onset of the PETM in two ways: (1)
    projection of long-term PETM rates for comparison on an annual time
    scale and (2) projection of short-term modern rates for comparison on
    a PETM time scale. Both require temporal scaling and extrapolation for
    comparison on the same time scale. PETM rates are few and projection
    to a short time scale is poorly constrained.

    I'll have to read the article carefully to decipher the preceding sentence
    and also the next one:

    Modern rates are many,
    and projection to a longer PETM time scale is tightly
    constrained—modern rates are some 9–10 times higher than those during >> onset of the PETM. If the present trend of anthropogenic emissions
    continues, we can expect to reach a PETM-scale accumulation of
    atmospheric carbon in as few as 140 to 259 years (about 5 to 10 human
    generations).

    https://agupubs.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1029/2018PA003379


    So we get to see a new Great Dying in the near future? Hooray!

    Sounds like a Great Death Wish. :)


    See also Whitmire hypothesis:
    https://doi.org/10.1017/S1473550417000271

    It talks a lot about the Principle of Mediocrity, which is ironic since the paper
    is a case of "how to lie with statistics" [which is the title of a classic book on the misuse of statistics]. It reminds me of the projections of the population
    in the 1950's that assumed the rate of increase would continue indefinitely, following an exponential curve.

    The paper reads like it was written by some student of statistics trying
    to put some ideas together for a term paper, with the professor more
    interested in originality than in realism. If so, it must have held the professor's
    attention much better than the usual term paper that had been turned in
    for decades, and the professor would have been happy for the relief from boredom that the other term papers may have occasioned.

    If anyone disagrees with this assessment, I welcome reasoned criticisms,
    but not hypocrisy from the usual sources about me criticizing people not present.
    If I get that kind of pushback, I will be motivated to send the author
    my reasons for the above assessment -- but not the assessment itself.

    The assessment is based on the speculation that, as is the case with almost everything
    in the Elite West, originality is valued above truth or beauty. [One need only look at the acclaim given Serrano's "Piss Christ" to see how that can play out.]
    But I have to take all such things on a case by case basis, and this could
    be one of the exceptions.


    Peter Nyikos
    Professor, Dept. of Mathematics -- standard disclaimer--
    at the original USC, in Columbia, South Carolina, founded in 1801 http://people.math.sc.edu/nyikos

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  • From Pandora@21:1/5 to peter2nyikos@gmail.com on Sat Sep 18 13:00:09 2021
    On Fri, 17 Sep 2021 06:51:52 -0700 (PDT), Peter Nyikos
    <peter2nyikos@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Wednesday, September 15, 2021 at 2:07:51 PM UTC-4, Pandora wrote:
    Massive and rapid predominantly volcanic CO2 emission during the
    end-Permian mass extinction

    Abstract

    The end-Permian mass extinction event (~252 Mya) is associated with
    one of the largest global carbon cycle perturbations in the
    Phanerozoic and is thought to be triggered by the Siberian Traps
    volcanism.

    This seems to be well established from investigation of the
    Siberian Traps themselves. On the other hand, I've never
    seen any hypotheses as to what caused the PETM,
    the subject of the second article whose abstract you
    are providing for us, Pandora.

    North Atlantic Igneous Province? https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-019-12957-1

    Sizable carbon isotope excursions (CIEs) have been found at
    numerous sites around the world, suggesting massive quantities of
    13C-depleted CO2 input into the ocean and atmosphere system. The exact
    magnitude and cause of the CIEs, the pace of CO2 emission, and the
    total quantity of CO2, however, remain poorly known. Here, we quantify
    the CO2 emission in an Earth system model based on new
    compound-specific carbon isotope records from the Finnmark Platform
    and an astronomically tuned age model. By quantitatively comparing the
    modeled surface ocean pH and boron isotope pH proxy, a massive
    (~36,000 Gt C) and rapid emission (~5 Gt C yr-1) of largely volcanic
    CO2 source (~-15%) is necessary to drive the observed pattern of CIE,
    the abrupt decline in surface ocean pH, and the extreme global
    temperature increase. This suggests that the massive amount of
    greenhouse gases may have pushed the Earth system toward a critical
    tipping point, beyond which extreme changes in ocean pH and
    temperature led to irreversible mass extinction. The comparatively
    amplified CIE observed in higher plant leaf waxes suggests that the
    surface waters of the Finnmark Platform were likely out of equilibrium
    with the initial massive centennial-scale release of carbon from the
    massive Siberian Traps volcanism, supporting the rapidity of carbon
    injection. Our modeling work reveals that carbon emission pulses are
    accompanied by organic carbon burial, facilitated by widespread ocean
    anoxia.

    https://www.pnas.org/content/118/37/e2014701118

    Temporal Scaling of Carbon Emission and Accumulation Rates: Modern
    Anthropogenic Emissions Compared to Estimates of PETM Onset
    Accumulation

    Abstract

    The Paleocene-Eocene thermal maximum (PETM) was caused by a massive
    release of carbon to the atmosphere.

    Release from where, I wonder. The article gives a great many refernces
    to the hypothesized rates, but I couldn't find anything about possible causes.

    This is a benchmark global
    greenhouse warming event that raised temperatures to their warmest
    since extinction of the dinosaurs. Rates of carbon emission today can
    be compared to those during onset of the PETM in two ways: (1)
    projection of long-term PETM rates for comparison on an annual time
    scale and (2) projection of short-term modern rates for comparison on
    a PETM time scale. Both require temporal scaling and extrapolation for
    comparison on the same time scale. PETM rates are few and projection
    to a short time scale is poorly constrained. Modern rates are many,
    and projection to a longer PETM time scale is tightly
    constrained—modern rates are some 9–10 times higher than those during
    onset of the PETM. If the present trend of anthropogenic emissions
    continues, we can expect to reach a PETM-scale accumulation of
    atmospheric carbon in as few as 140 to 259 years (about 5 to 10 human
    generations).

    https://agupubs.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1029/2018PA003379

    The above criticisms notwithstanding, both of these are salutary
    reminders of where we are headed if nothing drastic is done.

    If the present massive rate of burning of fossil fuels continues
    unabated, I predict a collapse of civilization before 2300,

    You give it that much time? I expect it to happen this century.

    not from global climate change -- drastic though that will be -- but from the inability to adjust
    to the new realities of how all our energy-dependent devices will be powered. >Motor vehicles will be where the change will be most acutely felt.

    I think innovation will keep those vehicles running somehow, but fear
    a sustainable energy transition will come too late to prevent
    planetary ecosystem collapse.

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  • From Pandora@21:1/5 to peter2nyikos@gmail.com on Sat Sep 18 13:57:27 2021
    On Fri, 17 Sep 2021 10:45:16 -0700 (PDT), Peter Nyikos
    <peter2nyikos@gmail.com> wrote:

    https://agupubs.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1029/2018PA003379


    So we get to see a new Great Dying in the near future? Hooray!

    Sounds like a Great Death Wish. :)


    See also Whitmire hypothesis:
    https://doi.org/10.1017/S1473550417000271

    It talks a lot about the Principle of Mediocrity, which is ironic since the paper
    is a case of "how to lie with statistics" [which is the title of a classic book
    on the misuse of statistics]. It reminds me of the projections of the population
    in the 1950's that assumed the rate of increase would continue indefinitely, >following an exponential curve.

    70 years later: https://population.un.org/wpp/Graphs/2_Probabilistic%20Projections/1_Population/1_Total%20Population/World.png

    Although it has the shape of a sigmoid/logistic function, from a
    planetary ecological point of view I'm not so happy with that median projection.

    The paper reads like it was written by some student of statistics trying
    to put some ideas together for a term paper, with the professor more >interested in originality than in realism. If so, it must have held the professor's
    attention much better than the usual term paper that had been turned in
    for decades, and the professor would have been happy for the relief from >boredom that the other term papers may have occasioned.

    The author himself is a Professor (of Physics), currently in the
    Deparment of Mathematics, University of Arkansas, Lafayetteville, AR,
    USA. That's right up your alley.

    If anyone disagrees with this assessment, I welcome reasoned criticisms,
    but not hypocrisy from the usual sources about me criticizing people not present.
    If I get that kind of pushback, I will be motivated to send the author
    my reasons for the above assessment -- but not the assessment itself.

    The assessment is based on the speculation that, as is the case with almost everything
    in the Elite West, originality is valued above truth or beauty. [One need only >look at the acclaim given Serrano's "Piss Christ" to see how that can play out.]
    But I have to take all such things on a case by case basis, and this could
    be one of the exceptions.

    You should submit your assessment to the International Journal of
    Astrobiology and see if gets through peerreview.

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  • From Oxyaena@21:1/5 to Peter Nyikos on Sat Sep 18 11:39:05 2021
    On 9/17/2021 1:45 PM, Peter Nyikos wrote:
    On Friday, September 17, 2021 at 6:32:17 AM UTC-4, Pandora wrote:
    On Thu, 16 Sep 2021 23:56:25 -0400, Oxyaena <oxy...@invalid.invalid>
    wrote:
    On 9/15/2021 2:07 PM, Pandora wrote:
    Massive and rapid predominantly volcanic CO2 emission during the
    end-Permian mass extinction

    <snip of well written abstract>
    https://www.pnas.org/content/118/37/e2014701118

    Second article:
    Temporal Scaling of Carbon Emission and Accumulation Rates: Modern
    Anthropogenic Emissions Compared to Estimates of PETM Onset
    Accumulation

    Abstract

    The Paleocene-Eocene thermal maximum (PETM) was caused by a massive
    release of carbon to the atmosphere.

    I wonder how this was determined in the absence of known causes
    of the release. If the situation were like it is now, the unusual level of warming
    could have triggered the release of vast amounts of methane from clathrates deep in the oceans, and the methane would have been a major contributor: methane, CH4, is a more potent greenhouse gas than CO2.


    This is a benchmark global
    greenhouse warming event that raised temperatures to their warmest
    since extinction of the dinosaurs. Rates of carbon emission today can
    be compared to those during onset of the PETM in two ways: (1)
    projection of long-term PETM rates for comparison on an annual time
    scale and (2) projection of short-term modern rates for comparison on
    a PETM time scale. Both require temporal scaling and extrapolation for >>>> comparison on the same time scale. PETM rates are few and projection
    to a short time scale is poorly constrained.

    I'll have to read the article carefully to decipher the preceding sentence and also the next one:

    Modern rates are many,
    and projection to a longer PETM time scale is tightly
    constrained—modern rates are some 9–10 times higher than those during >>>> onset of the PETM. If the present trend of anthropogenic emissions
    continues, we can expect to reach a PETM-scale accumulation of
    atmospheric carbon in as few as 140 to 259 years (about 5 to 10 human
    generations).

    https://agupubs.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1029/2018PA003379


    So we get to see a new Great Dying in the near future? Hooray!

    Sounds like a Great Death Wish. :)

    Yes, that does seem to be the general mood of the capitalist class.

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  • From JTEM@21:1/5 to Pandora on Thu Sep 23 12:19:43 2021
    Pandora wrote:

    Massive and rapid predominantly volcanic CO2 emission during the
    end-Permian mass extinction

    You have internet access, right?

    Go dig us up some valid scientific citations making this claim BEFORE
    the arctic was supposed to be ice free or the Maldives were supposed to
    be under a foot of water.

    We saw the exact same thing under Dubya Bush, when the administration
    was beholding to the Religious Right. They hated "Evolution," science runs
    on grant money so anyone who offended the Religious Right didn't get any
    grant money. At the same time, some pretty atrocious "Studies" got
    funding, passed off as "Science," denying evolution and sometimes even advocating Intelligent Design...

    RENT: A Flock of DoDos.

    It's just one of the issues they discuss; people afraid to do real science because it risked getting their funding cut off.

    Well nothing has changed. The system is exactly as corrupt as ever, it's exactly as political, exactly as agenda driven only now there is no risk at all. Nope. If you do real science, if your work debunks the Gwobull Warbling mythology then you are gone. You will be sweeping floors at the nearest
    Burger King long before you ever see another dime of grant money.

    THEY EVEN ERASED THE PEERS FROM PEER REVIEW TO BLOCK YOU!

    Now a simple keyword search could end your scientific credibility...

    But the junk? The pseudo science? The propaganda? Oh that still gets the grants, It's not Intelligent Design anymore, it's Gwobull Warbling. But if you want money and you haven't no shame, just put your name on some
    garbage like you cited here, and watch the cash roll in.





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    https://jtem.tumblr.com/post/663082810363494400

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