On 8/30/21 2:59 PM, Mario Petrinovic wrote:
Vaccinate your babies, and fill up your hospitals when they >> grow old.In contrast to your usual nonsense, this sort of thing is actively
Grow less and less old, with every new generation.
He, who didn't manage to understand the Evolution, after 150
years of the research, he has to get it the hard way.
Ah, what can you do.
dangerous, or would be if you managed to convince anyone of it.
On 31.8.2021. 3:01, John Harshman wrote:
On 8/30/21 2:59 PM, Mario Petrinovic wrote:
Vaccinate your babies, and fill up your hospitals when theyIn contrast to your usual nonsense, this sort of thing is actively
grow old.
Grow less and less old, with every new generation.
He, who didn't manage to understand the Evolution, after 150
years of the research, he has to get it the hard way.
Ah, what can you do.
dangerous, or would be if you managed to convince anyone of it.
Jesus Christ.
On 31.8.2021. 4:39, John Harshman wrote:
On 8/30/21 7:34 PM, Mario Petrinovic wrote:
On 31.8.2021. 4:18, Mario Petrinovic wrote:I am disinclined to follow any advice you might ever have for me.
On 31.8.2021. 3:01, John Harshman wrote:
On 8/30/21 2:59 PM, Mario Petrinovic wrote:
Vaccinate your babies, and fill up your hospitals when >>>>>> they grow old.In contrast to your usual nonsense, this sort of thing is actively
Grow less and less old, with every new generation. >>>>>> He, who didn't manage to understand the Evolution, after
150 years of the research, he has to get it the hard way.
Ah, what can you do.
dangerous, or would be if you managed to convince anyone of it.
Jesus Christ.
My advice to you, *never* inject anything into your body. >>> Injection bypasses all the defense mechanisms, when you inject
something, your body doesn't have a chance to react to it, you
surrendered your body, flat down.
Fortunately.
Yes, but bypassing defense mechanisms is the thing that is dangerous.
On 8/30/21 7:40 PM, Mario Petrinovic wrote:
On 31.8.2021. 4:39, John Harshman wrote:Yes, and those mRNA vaccines change your DNA and make you magnetic.
On 8/30/21 7:34 PM, Mario Petrinovic wrote:
On 31.8.2021. 4:18, Mario Petrinovic wrote:I am disinclined to follow any advice you might ever have for me.
On 31.8.2021. 3:01, John Harshman wrote:
On 8/30/21 2:59 PM, Mario Petrinovic wrote:
Vaccinate your babies, and fill up your hospitals when >>>>>>> they grow old.In contrast to your usual nonsense, this sort of thing is actively >>>>>> dangerous, or would be if you managed to convince anyone of it.
Grow less and less old, with every new generation. >>>>>>> He, who didn't manage to understand the Evolution, after
150 years of the research, he has to get it the hard way.
Ah, what can you do.
Jesus Christ.
My advice to you, *never* inject anything into your body. >>>> Injection bypasses all the defense mechanisms, when you inject
something, your body doesn't have a chance to react to it, you
surrendered your body, flat down.
Fortunately.
Yes, but bypassing defense mechanisms is the thing that is >> dangerous.
On 31.8.2021. 17:00, John Harshman wrote:
On 8/30/21 7:40 PM, Mario Petrinovic wrote:
On 31.8.2021. 4:39, John Harshman wrote:Yes, and those mRNA vaccines change your DNA and make you magnetic.
On 8/30/21 7:34 PM, Mario Petrinovic wrote:
On 31.8.2021. 4:18, Mario Petrinovic wrote:I am disinclined to follow any advice you might ever have for me.
On 31.8.2021. 3:01, John Harshman wrote:
On 8/30/21 2:59 PM, Mario Petrinovic wrote:
Vaccinate your babies, and fill up your hospitals whenIn contrast to your usual nonsense, this sort of thing is
they grow old.
Grow less and less old, with every new generation. >>>>>>>> He, who didn't manage to understand the Evolution, >>>>>>>> after 150 years of the research, he has to get it the hard way. >>>>>>>> Ah, what can you do.
actively dangerous, or would be if you managed to convince anyone >>>>>>> of it.
Jesus Christ.
My advice to you, *never* inject anything into your body.
Injection bypasses all the defense mechanisms, when you inject
something, your body doesn't have a chance to react to it, you
surrendered your body, flat down.
Fortunately.
Yes, but bypassing defense mechanisms is the thing that is >>> dangerous.
Well, that's your theory.
On 8/31/21 9:30 AM, Mario Petrinovic wrote:
On 31.8.2021. 17:00, John Harshman wrote:Is this really all about injection? That's a completely different justification from your previous one. Do you object to dental
On 8/30/21 7:40 PM, Mario Petrinovic wrote:
On 31.8.2021. 4:39, John Harshman wrote:Yes, and those mRNA vaccines change your DNA and make you magnetic.
On 8/30/21 7:34 PM, Mario Petrinovic wrote:
On 31.8.2021. 4:18, Mario Petrinovic wrote:I am disinclined to follow any advice you might ever have for me.
On 31.8.2021. 3:01, John Harshman wrote:
On 8/30/21 2:59 PM, Mario Petrinovic wrote:
Vaccinate your babies, and fill up your hospitals whenIn contrast to your usual nonsense, this sort of thing is
they grow old.
Grow less and less old, with every new generation. >>>>>>>>> He, who didn't manage to understand the Evolution, >>>>>>>>> after 150 years of the research, he has to get it the hard way. >>>>>>>>> Ah, what can you do.
actively dangerous, or would be if you managed to convince
anyone of it.
Jesus Christ.
My advice to you, *never* inject anything into your body.
Injection bypasses all the defense mechanisms, when you inject
something, your body doesn't have a chance to react to it, you
surrendered your body, flat down.
Fortunately.
Yes, but bypassing defense mechanisms is the thing that is
dangerous.
Well, that's your theory.
anesthetic? Do you endorse oral vaccines such as the one for polio?
On 1.9.2021. 3:12, John Harshman wrote:
On 8/31/21 9:30 AM, Mario Petrinovic wrote:
On 31.8.2021. 17:00, John Harshman wrote:Is this really all about injection? That's a completely different
On 8/30/21 7:40 PM, Mario Petrinovic wrote:
On 31.8.2021. 4:39, John Harshman wrote:Yes, and those mRNA vaccines change your DNA and make you magnetic.
On 8/30/21 7:34 PM, Mario Petrinovic wrote:
On 31.8.2021. 4:18, Mario Petrinovic wrote:I am disinclined to follow any advice you might ever have for me.
On 31.8.2021. 3:01, John Harshman wrote:
On 8/30/21 2:59 PM, Mario Petrinovic wrote:
Vaccinate your babies, and fill up your hospitals >>>>>>>>>> when they grow old.In contrast to your usual nonsense, this sort of thing is
Grow less and less old, with every new generation. >>>>>>>>>> He, who didn't manage to understand the Evolution, >>>>>>>>>> after 150 years of the research, he has to get it the hard way. >>>>>>>>>> Ah, what can you do.
actively dangerous, or would be if you managed to convince
anyone of it.
Jesus Christ.
My advice to you, *never* inject anything into your >>>>>>> body. Injection bypasses all the defense mechanisms, when you
inject something, your body doesn't have a chance to react to it, >>>>>>> you surrendered your body, flat down.
Fortunately.
Yes, but bypassing defense mechanisms is the thing that is
dangerous.
Well, that's your theory.
justification from your previous one. Do you object to dental
anesthetic? Do you endorse oral vaccines such as the one for polio?
No, it isn't about injection, it is about vaccination. I just mentioned what you do when you put a needle in your body. This is the
purpose of needle (I presume), to bypass your defense mechanism.
I would to it, with a pine needle, to burst a cyst. But other than that, no.
On 8/31/21 11:48 PM, Mario Petrinovic wrote:
On 1.9.2021. 3:12, John Harshman wrote:Now I'm curious: why a pine needle specifically? Why not a rusty nail or
On 8/31/21 9:30 AM, Mario Petrinovic wrote:
On 31.8.2021. 17:00, John Harshman wrote:Is this really all about injection? That's a completely different
On 8/30/21 7:40 PM, Mario Petrinovic wrote:
On 31.8.2021. 4:39, John Harshman wrote:Yes, and those mRNA vaccines change your DNA and make you magnetic.
On 8/30/21 7:34 PM, Mario Petrinovic wrote:
On 31.8.2021. 4:18, Mario Petrinovic wrote:I am disinclined to follow any advice you might ever have for me. >>>>>>> Fortunately.
On 31.8.2021. 3:01, John Harshman wrote:
On 8/30/21 2:59 PM, Mario Petrinovic wrote:
Vaccinate your babies, and fill up your hospitals >>>>>>>>>>> when they grow old.In contrast to your usual nonsense, this sort of thing is
Grow less and less old, with every new generation. >>>>>>>>>>> He, who didn't manage to understand the Evolution, >>>>>>>>>>> after 150 years of the research, he has to get it the hard way. >>>>>>>>>>> Ah, what can you do.
actively dangerous, or would be if you managed to convince >>>>>>>>>> anyone of it.
Jesus Christ.
My advice to you, *never* inject anything into your >>>>>>>> body. Injection bypasses all the defense mechanisms, when you
inject something, your body doesn't have a chance to react to
it, you surrendered your body, flat down.
Yes, but bypassing defense mechanisms is the thing that >>>>>> is dangerous.
Well, that's your theory.
justification from your previous one. Do you object to dental
anesthetic? Do you endorse oral vaccines such as the one for polio?
No, it isn't about injection, it is about vaccination. I just
mentioned what you do when you put a needle in your body. This is the
purpose of needle (I presume), to bypass your defense mechanism.
I would to it, with a pine needle, to burst a cyst. But other
than that, no.
a toothpick?
On 1.9.2021. 18:56, John Harshman wrote:
On 8/31/21 11:48 PM, Mario Petrinovic wrote:
On 1.9.2021. 3:12, John Harshman wrote:Now I'm curious: why a pine needle specifically? Why not a rusty nail
On 8/31/21 9:30 AM, Mario Petrinovic wrote:
On 31.8.2021. 17:00, John Harshman wrote:Is this really all about injection? That's a completely different
On 8/30/21 7:40 PM, Mario Petrinovic wrote:Well, that's your theory.
On 31.8.2021. 4:39, John Harshman wrote:Yes, and those mRNA vaccines change your DNA and make you magnetic. >>>>>
On 8/30/21 7:34 PM, Mario Petrinovic wrote:
On 31.8.2021. 4:18, Mario Petrinovic wrote:I am disinclined to follow any advice you might ever have for
On 31.8.2021. 3:01, John Harshman wrote:
On 8/30/21 2:59 PM, Mario Petrinovic wrote:
Vaccinate your babies, and fill up your hospitals >>>>>>>>>>>> when they grow old.In contrast to your usual nonsense, this sort of thing is >>>>>>>>>>> actively dangerous, or would be if you managed to convince >>>>>>>>>>> anyone of it.
Grow less and less old, with every new generation.
He, who didn't manage to understand the Evolution,
after 150 years of the research, he has to get it the hard way. >>>>>>>>>>>> Ah, what can you do.
Jesus Christ.
My advice to you, *never* inject anything into your >>>>>>>>> body. Injection bypasses all the defense mechanisms, when you >>>>>>>>> inject something, your body doesn't have a chance to react to >>>>>>>>> it, you surrendered your body, flat down.
me. Fortunately.
Yes, but bypassing defense mechanisms is the thing that
is dangerous.
justification from your previous one. Do you object to dental
anesthetic? Do you endorse oral vaccines such as the one for polio?
No, it isn't about injection, it is about vaccination. I >>> just mentioned what you do when you put a needle in your body. This
is the purpose of needle (I presume), to bypass your defense mechanism.
I would to it, with a pine needle, to burst a cyst. But >>> other than that, no.
or a toothpick?
Because this was how we always did this.
You think that the world should be sterile, otherwise you are unable to live in it? I have a surprise for you, the world isn't
sterile, and if you are unable to live in the world as it is, well, too
bad for you.
On 1.9.2021. 22:56, John Harshman wrote:
On 9/1/21 11:07 AM, Mario Petrinovic wrote:
On 1.9.2021. 18:56, John Harshman wrote:That's just nonsensical. The world as it is includes lions, yet I
On 8/31/21 11:48 PM, Mario Petrinovic wrote:
On 1.9.2021. 3:12, John Harshman wrote:Now I'm curious: why a pine needle specifically? Why not a rusty
On 8/31/21 9:30 AM, Mario Petrinovic wrote:No, it isn't about injection, it is about vaccination. I >>>>> just mentioned what you do when you put a needle in your body. This
On 31.8.2021. 17:00, John Harshman wrote:Is this really all about injection? That's a completely different
On 8/30/21 7:40 PM, Mario Petrinovic wrote:Well, that's your theory.
On 31.8.2021. 4:39, John Harshman wrote:Yes, and those mRNA vaccines change your DNA and make you magnetic. >>>>>>>
On 8/30/21 7:34 PM, Mario Petrinovic wrote:
On 31.8.2021. 4:18, Mario Petrinovic wrote:I am disinclined to follow any advice you might ever have for >>>>>>>>>> me. Fortunately.
On 31.8.2021. 3:01, John Harshman wrote:
On 8/30/21 2:59 PM, Mario Petrinovic wrote:
Vaccinate your babies, and fill up your hospitalsIn contrast to your usual nonsense, this sort of thing is >>>>>>>>>>>>> actively dangerous, or would be if you managed to convince >>>>>>>>>>>>> anyone of it.
when they grow old.
Grow less and less old, with every new generation.
He, who didn't manage to understand the >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Evolution, after 150 years of the research, he has to get >>>>>>>>>>>>>> it the hard way.
Ah, what can you do.
Jesus Christ.
My advice to you, *never* inject anything into your
body. Injection bypasses all the defense mechanisms, when you >>>>>>>>>>> inject something, your body doesn't have a chance to react to >>>>>>>>>>> it, you surrendered your body, flat down.
Yes, but bypassing defense mechanisms is the thing >>>>>>>>> that is dangerous.
justification from your previous one. Do you object to dental
anesthetic? Do you endorse oral vaccines such as the one for polio? >>>>>
is the purpose of needle (I presume), to bypass your defense
mechanism.
I would to it, with a pine needle, to burst a cyst. But >>>>> other than that, no.
nail or a toothpick?
Because this was how we always did this.
You think that the world should be sterile, otherwise you >>> are unable to live in it? I have a surprise for you, the world isn't
sterile, and if you are unable to live in the world as it is, well,
too bad for you.
refrain from stepping out in front of them while wearing a pork chop
around my neck. The world as it is includes steep cliffs, yet I
refrain from walking straight off them just because I'm going in that
direction.
I will also point out that vaccines do nothing except introduce
antigens into your blood just like those present in live pathogens.
They don't weaken your immune system. They stimulate it in exactly the
same way those pathogens would. They certainly don't weaken your
immune system or encourage weakness. Just the opposite.
The world, as it is, includes pine needles. It doesn't include
sterile equipment.
So, there are two ways to do it, with a pine needle, or with sterile equipment. To do the first, you just find a pine needle. To do
the second, you just...
In Evolution the key word is "efficiency". He, who is efficient, he wins. So, I can, either, use pine needles, and the rest
leave for my body to deal with, or I can use a lot more energy, and equipment, to do *the same thing*. I refuse to do things the second way,
I have to be efficient to survive.
The whole world had bubonic plague. The whole world, except India. Why?
And, regarding vaccination, your analogy is excellent. Vaccination introduces antigens into your blood, that work "just like"
the real things. Like a boxer, who is using a boxing bag to train and be strong. Well, I have news for you, boxing bag isn't enough. It *has to
be* a live opponent.
I mean, all the newest research show that the problem with Covid-19 is in our immune system, not in virus. It is used to boxing
bags, not to the real things. Boxing bags don't fight back.
They say that somebody who was ill and not vaccinated, and survived, has 7 times better immunity than the one who was vaccinated. I mean, there is a reason for it. It is hard to prove the reason.
Scientists behave like they are idiots, if it isn't proven, it doesn't happen. They behave so stupidly, like they are 6 years old.
This isn't a game.
On 9/1/21 11:07 AM, Mario Petrinovic wrote:
On 1.9.2021. 18:56, John Harshman wrote:That's just nonsensical. The world as it is includes lions, yet I
On 8/31/21 11:48 PM, Mario Petrinovic wrote:
On 1.9.2021. 3:12, John Harshman wrote:Now I'm curious: why a pine needle specifically? Why not a rusty nail
On 8/31/21 9:30 AM, Mario Petrinovic wrote:
On 31.8.2021. 17:00, John Harshman wrote:Is this really all about injection? That's a completely different
On 8/30/21 7:40 PM, Mario Petrinovic wrote:Well, that's your theory.
On 31.8.2021. 4:39, John Harshman wrote:Yes, and those mRNA vaccines change your DNA and make you magnetic. >>>>>>
On 8/30/21 7:34 PM, Mario Petrinovic wrote:
On 31.8.2021. 4:18, Mario Petrinovic wrote:I am disinclined to follow any advice you might ever have for >>>>>>>>> me. Fortunately.
On 31.8.2021. 3:01, John Harshman wrote:
On 8/30/21 2:59 PM, Mario Petrinovic wrote:
Vaccinate your babies, and fill up your hospitalsIn contrast to your usual nonsense, this sort of thing is >>>>>>>>>>>> actively dangerous, or would be if you managed to convince >>>>>>>>>>>> anyone of it.
when they grow old.
Grow less and less old, with every new generation.
He, who didn't manage to understand the Evolution,
after 150 years of the research, he has to get it the hard >>>>>>>>>>>>> way.
Ah, what can you do.
Jesus Christ.
My advice to you, *never* inject anything into your >>>>>>>>>> body. Injection bypasses all the defense mechanisms, when you >>>>>>>>>> inject something, your body doesn't have a chance to react to >>>>>>>>>> it, you surrendered your body, flat down.
Yes, but bypassing defense mechanisms is the thing that
is dangerous.
justification from your previous one. Do you object to dental
anesthetic? Do you endorse oral vaccines such as the one for polio?
No, it isn't about injection, it is about vaccination. I >>>> just mentioned what you do when you put a needle in your body. This
is the purpose of needle (I presume), to bypass your defense mechanism. >>>> I would to it, with a pine needle, to burst a cyst. But >>>> other than that, no.
or a toothpick?
Because this was how we always did this.
You think that the world should be sterile, otherwise you are
unable to live in it? I have a surprise for you, the world isn't
sterile, and if you are unable to live in the world as it is, well,
too bad for you.
refrain from stepping out in front of them while wearing a pork chop
around my neck. The world as it is includes steep cliffs, yet I refrain
from walking straight off them just because I'm going in that direction.
I will also point out that vaccines do nothing except introduce antigens
into your blood just like those present in live pathogens. They don't
weaken your immune system. They stimulate it in exactly the same way
those pathogens would. They certainly don't weaken your immune system or encourage weakness. Just the opposite.
On 2.9.2021. 5:47, Mario Petrinovic wrote:
On 1.9.2021. 22:56, John Harshman wrote:
On 9/1/21 11:07 AM, Mario Petrinovic wrote:
On 1.9.2021. 18:56, John Harshman wrote:That's just nonsensical. The world as it is includes lions, yet I
On 8/31/21 11:48 PM, Mario Petrinovic wrote:
On 1.9.2021. 3:12, John Harshman wrote:Now I'm curious: why a pine needle specifically? Why not a rusty
On 8/31/21 9:30 AM, Mario Petrinovic wrote:No, it isn't about injection, it is about vaccination. I
On 31.8.2021. 17:00, John Harshman wrote:Is this really all about injection? That's a completely different >>>>>>> justification from your previous one. Do you object to dental
On 8/30/21 7:40 PM, Mario Petrinovic wrote:
On 31.8.2021. 4:39, John Harshman wrote:Yes, and those mRNA vaccines change your DNA and make you
On 8/30/21 7:34 PM, Mario Petrinovic wrote:
On 31.8.2021. 4:18, Mario Petrinovic wrote:I am disinclined to follow any advice you might ever have for >>>>>>>>>>> me. Fortunately.
On 31.8.2021. 3:01, John Harshman wrote:
On 8/30/21 2:59 PM, Mario Petrinovic wrote:
Vaccinate your babies, and fill up your >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> hospitals when they grow old.In contrast to your usual nonsense, this sort of thing is >>>>>>>>>>>>>> actively dangerous, or would be if you managed to convince >>>>>>>>>>>>>> anyone of it.
Grow less and less old, with every new generation.
He, who didn't manage to understand the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Evolution, after 150 years of the research, he has to get >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it the hard way.
Ah, what can you do.
Jesus Christ.
My advice to you, *never* inject anything into your
body. Injection bypasses all the defense mechanisms, when >>>>>>>>>>>> you inject something, your body doesn't have a chance to >>>>>>>>>>>> react to it, you surrendered your body, flat down.
Yes, but bypassing defense mechanisms is the thing >>>>>>>>>> that is dangerous.
magnetic.
Well, that's your theory.
anesthetic? Do you endorse oral vaccines such as the one for polio? >>>>>>
just mentioned what you do when you put a needle in your body.
This is the purpose of needle (I presume), to bypass your defense
mechanism.
I would to it, with a pine needle, to burst a cyst. But >>>>>> other than that, no.
nail or a toothpick?
Because this was how we always did this.
You think that the world should be sterile, otherwise you >>>> are unable to live in it? I have a surprise for you, the world isn't
sterile, and if you are unable to live in the world as it is, well,
too bad for you.
refrain from stepping out in front of them while wearing a pork chop
around my neck. The world as it is includes steep cliffs, yet I
refrain from walking straight off them just because I'm going in that
direction.
I will also point out that vaccines do nothing except introduce
antigens into your blood just like those present in live pathogens.
They don't weaken your immune system. They stimulate it in exactly
the same way those pathogens would. They certainly don't weaken your
immune system or encourage weakness. Just the opposite.
The world, as it is, includes pine needles. It doesn't
include sterile equipment.
So, there are two ways to do it, with a pine needle, or with
sterile equipment. To do the first, you just find a pine needle. To do
the second, you just...
In Evolution the key word is "efficiency". He, who is
efficient, he wins. So, I can, either, use pine needles, and the rest
leave for my body to deal with, or I can use a lot more energy, and
equipment, to do *the same thing*. I refuse to do things the second
way, I have to be efficient to survive.
The whole world had bubonic plague. The whole world, except >> India. Why?
And, regarding vaccination, your analogy is excellent.
Vaccination introduces antigens into your blood, that work "just like"
the real things. Like a boxer, who is using a boxing bag to train and
be strong. Well, I have news for you, boxing bag isn't enough. It *has
to be* a live opponent.
I mean, all the newest research show that the problem with >> Covid-19 is in our immune system, not in virus. It is used to boxing
bags, not to the real things. Boxing bags don't fight back.
They say that somebody who was ill and not vaccinated, and >> survived, has 7 times better immunity than the one who was vaccinated.
I mean, there is a reason for it. It is hard to prove the reason.
Scientists behave like they are idiots, if it isn't proven, it doesn't
happen. They behave so stupidly, like they are 6 years old.
This isn't a game.
I have to add this. Throughout our evolution we used the system
that gave 7 times better immunity than vaccination. A lot of us died
using this system , but the ones who survived, they had good and strong immune system. Then we introduced the system which gave us 7 times
weaker immune system, but we all survived. At first. And now we stopped
to all survive. And we have problems. Our whole health care system
simply collapsed. I mean, don't you see what is happening around you?
People walk around with muzzles on their months. You say, we can do it.
I say, go to hell. I'll rather die. This isn't a life a dignified animal should live. I am a human, for god's sake. But, I don't look very much
like it, with this muzzle on my mouth.
What's next? You say, you use sterile equipment, because you can. Will we walk around this planet in a space suit, because we can?
Because you say that you have a better system than the Nature already evolved. So, why you are walking around this world with this muzzle on
your mouth?
On 2.9.2021. 6:01, Mario Petrinovic wrote:
On 2.9.2021. 5:47, Mario Petrinovic wrote:
On 1.9.2021. 22:56, John Harshman wrote:
On 9/1/21 11:07 AM, Mario Petrinovic wrote:
On 1.9.2021. 18:56, John Harshman wrote:That's just nonsensical. The world as it is includes lions, yet I
On 8/31/21 11:48 PM, Mario Petrinovic wrote:
On 1.9.2021. 3:12, John Harshman wrote:Now I'm curious: why a pine needle specifically? Why not a rusty
On 8/31/21 9:30 AM, Mario Petrinovic wrote:
On 31.8.2021. 17:00, John Harshman wrote:Is this really all about injection? That's a completely
On 8/30/21 7:40 PM, Mario Petrinovic wrote:
On 31.8.2021. 4:39, John Harshman wrote:Yes, and those mRNA vaccines change your DNA and make you
On 8/30/21 7:34 PM, Mario Petrinovic wrote:
On 31.8.2021. 4:18, Mario Petrinovic wrote:I am disinclined to follow any advice you might ever have >>>>>>>>>>>> for me. Fortunately.
On 31.8.2021. 3:01, John Harshman wrote:
On 8/30/21 2:59 PM, Mario Petrinovic wrote:
Vaccinate your babies, and fill up your >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> hospitals when they grow old.In contrast to your usual nonsense, this sort of thing is >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> actively dangerous, or would be if you managed to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> convince anyone of it.
Grow less and less old, with every new generation.
He, who didn't manage to understand the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Evolution, after 150 years of the research, he has to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> get it the hard way.
Ah, what can you do.
Jesus Christ.
My advice to you, *never* inject anything into >>>>>>>>>>>>> your body. Injection bypasses all the defense mechanisms, >>>>>>>>>>>>> when you inject something, your body doesn't have a chance >>>>>>>>>>>>> to react to it, you surrendered your body, flat down. >>>>>>>>>>>>>
Yes, but bypassing defense mechanisms is the thing >>>>>>>>>>> that is dangerous.
magnetic.
Well, that's your theory.
different justification from your previous one. Do you object to >>>>>>>> dental anesthetic? Do you endorse oral vaccines such as the one >>>>>>>> for polio?
No, it isn't about injection, it is about vaccination. I
just mentioned what you do when you put a needle in your body.
This is the purpose of needle (I presume), to bypass your defense >>>>>>> mechanism.
I would to it, with a pine needle, to burst a cyst. But
other than that, no.
nail or a toothpick?
Because this was how we always did this.
You think that the world should be sterile, otherwise you
are unable to live in it? I have a surprise for you, the world
isn't sterile, and if you are unable to live in the world as it is,
well, too bad for you.
refrain from stepping out in front of them while wearing a pork chop
around my neck. The world as it is includes steep cliffs, yet I
refrain from walking straight off them just because I'm going in
that direction.
I will also point out that vaccines do nothing except introduce
antigens into your blood just like those present in live pathogens.
They don't weaken your immune system. They stimulate it in exactly
the same way those pathogens would. They certainly don't weaken your
immune system or encourage weakness. Just the opposite.
The world, as it is, includes pine needles. It doesn't
include sterile equipment.
So, there are two ways to do it, with a pine needle, or with
sterile equipment. To do the first, you just find a pine needle. To
do the second, you just...
In Evolution the key word is "efficiency". He, who is
efficient, he wins. So, I can, either, use pine needles, and the rest
leave for my body to deal with, or I can use a lot more energy, and
equipment, to do *the same thing*. I refuse to do things the second
way, I have to be efficient to survive.
The whole world had bubonic plague. The whole world, except
India. Why?
And, regarding vaccination, your analogy is excellent.
Vaccination introduces antigens into your blood, that work "just
like" the real things. Like a boxer, who is using a boxing bag to
train and be strong. Well, I have news for you, boxing bag isn't
enough. It *has to be* a live opponent.
I mean, all the newest research show that the problem with >>> Covid-19 is in our immune system, not in virus. It is used to boxing
bags, not to the real things. Boxing bags don't fight back.
They say that somebody who was ill and not vaccinated, and >>> survived, has 7 times better immunity than the one who was
vaccinated. I mean, there is a reason for it. It is hard to prove the
reason. Scientists behave like they are idiots, if it isn't proven,
it doesn't happen. They behave so stupidly, like they are 6 years old.
This isn't a game.
I have to add this. Throughout our evolution we used the
system that gave 7 times better immunity than vaccination. A lot of us
died using this system , but the ones who survived, they had good and
strong immune system. Then we introduced the system which gave us 7
times weaker immune system, but we all survived. At first. And now we
stopped to all survive. And we have problems. Our whole health care
system simply collapsed. I mean, don't you see what is happening
around you? People walk around with muzzles on their months. You say,
we can do it. I say, go to hell. I'll rather die. This isn't a life a
dignified animal should live. I am a human, for god's sake. But, I
don't look very much like it, with this muzzle on my mouth.
What's next? You say, you use sterile equipment, because you
can. Will we walk around this planet in a space suit, because we can?
Because you say that you have a better system than the Nature already
evolved. So, why you are walking around this world with this muzzle on
your mouth?
So, I'd rather use a pine needle than your sterile equipment. And yes, it will be bad for me, because I have more chance to die that
way. But, this way it would be much better for *us*, because, for sure,
*we* will survive, the society will survive, the strongest *will*
survive, for sure.
So, I am suggesting to this society, whoever is using sterile equipment, just stone him. He is a selfish idiot, who doesn't think what
this will mean for society, he only thinks what this will mean for him,
he doesn't care about the society. Society should stone those people, if
it is a smart society, led my smart old men, not by playful young idiots.
On 9/1/21 9:15 PM, Mario Petrinovic wrote:
On 2.9.2021. 6:01, Mario Petrinovic wrote:To anyone who may be reading this, if indeed there is anyone: I
On 2.9.2021. 5:47, Mario Petrinovic wrote:
On 1.9.2021. 22:56, John Harshman wrote:
On 9/1/21 11:07 AM, Mario Petrinovic wrote:
On 1.9.2021. 18:56, John Harshman wrote:That's just nonsensical. The world as it is includes lions, yet I
On 8/31/21 11:48 PM, Mario Petrinovic wrote:
On 1.9.2021. 3:12, John Harshman wrote:Now I'm curious: why a pine needle specifically? Why not a rusty >>>>>>> nail or a toothpick?
On 8/31/21 9:30 AM, Mario Petrinovic wrote:
On 31.8.2021. 17:00, John Harshman wrote:Is this really all about injection? That's a completely
On 8/30/21 7:40 PM, Mario Petrinovic wrote:
On 31.8.2021. 4:39, John Harshman wrote:Yes, and those mRNA vaccines change your DNA and make you >>>>>>>>>>> magnetic.
On 8/30/21 7:34 PM, Mario Petrinovic wrote:
On 31.8.2021. 4:18, Mario Petrinovic wrote:I am disinclined to follow any advice you might ever have >>>>>>>>>>>>> for me. Fortunately.
On 31.8.2021. 3:01, John Harshman wrote:
On 8/30/21 2:59 PM, Mario Petrinovic wrote:
Vaccinate your babies, and fill up your >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> hospitals when they grow old.In contrast to your usual nonsense, this sort of thing >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is actively dangerous, or would be if you managed to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> convince anyone of it.
Grow less and less old, with every new >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> generation.
He, who didn't manage to understand the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Evolution, after 150 years of the research, he has to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> get it the hard way.
Ah, what can you do.
Jesus Christ.
My advice to you, *never* inject anything into >>>>>>>>>>>>>> your body. Injection bypasses all the defense mechanisms, >>>>>>>>>>>>>> when you inject something, your body doesn't have a chance >>>>>>>>>>>>>> to react to it, you surrendered your body, flat down. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Yes, but bypassing defense mechanisms is the thing
that is dangerous.
Well, that's your theory.
different justification from your previous one. Do you object >>>>>>>>> to dental anesthetic? Do you endorse oral vaccines such as the >>>>>>>>> one for polio?
No, it isn't about injection, it is about vaccination.
I just mentioned what you do when you put a needle in your body. >>>>>>>> This is the purpose of needle (I presume), to bypass your
defense mechanism.
I would to it, with a pine needle, to burst a cyst. But
other than that, no.
Because this was how we always did this.
You think that the world should be sterile, otherwise you
are unable to live in it? I have a surprise for you, the world
isn't sterile, and if you are unable to live in the world as it
is, well, too bad for you.
refrain from stepping out in front of them while wearing a pork
chop around my neck. The world as it is includes steep cliffs, yet
I refrain from walking straight off them just because I'm going in
that direction.
I will also point out that vaccines do nothing except introduce
antigens into your blood just like those present in live pathogens.
They don't weaken your immune system. They stimulate it in exactly
the same way those pathogens would. They certainly don't weaken
your immune system or encourage weakness. Just the opposite.
The world, as it is, includes pine needles. It doesn't >>>> include sterile equipment.
So, there are two ways to do it, with a pine needle, or >>>> with sterile equipment. To do the first, you just find a pine
needle. To do the second, you just...
In Evolution the key word is "efficiency". He, who is >>>> efficient, he wins. So, I can, either, use pine needles, and the
rest leave for my body to deal with, or I can use a lot more energy,
and equipment, to do *the same thing*. I refuse to do things the
second way, I have to be efficient to survive.
The whole world had bubonic plague. The whole world, except
India. Why?
And, regarding vaccination, your analogy is excellent. >>>> Vaccination introduces antigens into your blood, that work "just
like" the real things. Like a boxer, who is using a boxing bag to
train and be strong. Well, I have news for you, boxing bag isn't
enough. It *has to be* a live opponent.
I mean, all the newest research show that the problem with
Covid-19 is in our immune system, not in virus. It is used to boxing
bags, not to the real things. Boxing bags don't fight back.
They say that somebody who was ill and not vaccinated, and
survived, has 7 times better immunity than the one who was
vaccinated. I mean, there is a reason for it. It is hard to prove
the reason. Scientists behave like they are idiots, if it isn't
proven, it doesn't happen. They behave so stupidly, like they are 6
years old.
This isn't a game.
I have to add this. Throughout our evolution we used the >>> system that gave 7 times better immunity than vaccination. A lot of
us died using this system , but the ones who survived, they had good
and strong immune system. Then we introduced the system which gave us
7 times weaker immune system, but we all survived. At first. And now
we stopped to all survive. And we have problems. Our whole health
care system simply collapsed. I mean, don't you see what is happening
around you? People walk around with muzzles on their months. You say,
we can do it. I say, go to hell. I'll rather die. This isn't a life a
dignified animal should live. I am a human, for god's sake. But, I
don't look very much like it, with this muzzle on my mouth.
What's next? You say, you use sterile equipment, because you
can. Will we walk around this planet in a space suit, because we can?
Because you say that you have a better system than the Nature already
evolved. So, why you are walking around this world with this muzzle
on your mouth?
So, I'd rather use a pine needle than your sterile equipment.
And yes, it will be bad for me, because I have more chance to die that
way. But, this way it would be much better for *us*, because, for
sure, *we* will survive, the society will survive, the strongest
*will* survive, for sure.
So, I am suggesting to this society, whoever is using sterile
equipment, just stone him. He is a selfish idiot, who doesn't think
what this will mean for society, he only thinks what this will mean
for him, he doesn't care about the society. Society should stone those
people, if it is a smart society, led my smart old men, not by playful
young idiots.
apologize for poking him. I will stop now.
On 2.9.2021. 6:01, Mario Petrinovic wrote:
On 2.9.2021. 5:47, Mario Petrinovic wrote:
On 1.9.2021. 22:56, John Harshman wrote:
On 9/1/21 11:07 AM, Mario Petrinovic wrote:
On 1.9.2021. 18:56, John Harshman wrote:That's just nonsensical. The world as it is includes lions, yet I
On 8/31/21 11:48 PM, Mario Petrinovic wrote:
On 1.9.2021. 3:12, John Harshman wrote:Now I'm curious: why a pine needle specifically? Why not a rusty
On 8/31/21 9:30 AM, Mario Petrinovic wrote:
On 31.8.2021. 17:00, John Harshman wrote:Is this really all about injection? That's a completely
On 8/30/21 7:40 PM, Mario Petrinovic wrote:
On 31.8.2021. 4:39, John Harshman wrote:Yes, and those mRNA vaccines change your DNA and make you
On 8/30/21 7:34 PM, Mario Petrinovic wrote:
On 31.8.2021. 4:18, Mario Petrinovic wrote:I am disinclined to follow any advice you might ever have >>>>>>>>>>>> for me. Fortunately.
On 31.8.2021. 3:01, John Harshman wrote:
On 8/30/21 2:59 PM, Mario Petrinovic wrote:
Vaccinate your babies, and fill up your >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> hospitals when they grow old.In contrast to your usual nonsense, this sort of thing is >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> actively dangerous, or would be if you managed to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> convince anyone of it.
Grow less and less old, with every new generation.
He, who didn't manage to understand the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Evolution, after 150 years of the research, he has to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> get it the hard way.
Ah, what can you do.
Jesus Christ.
My advice to you, *never* inject anything into >>>>>>>>>>>>> your body. Injection bypasses all the defense mechanisms, >>>>>>>>>>>>> when you inject something, your body doesn't have a chance >>>>>>>>>>>>> to react to it, you surrendered your body, flat down. >>>>>>>>>>>>>
Yes, but bypassing defense mechanisms is the thing >>>>>>>>>>> that is dangerous.
magnetic.
Well, that's your theory.
different justification from your previous one. Do you object to >>>>>>>> dental anesthetic? Do you endorse oral vaccines such as the one >>>>>>>> for polio?
No, it isn't about injection, it is about vaccination. I
just mentioned what you do when you put a needle in your body.
This is the purpose of needle (I presume), to bypass your defense >>>>>>> mechanism.
I would to it, with a pine needle, to burst a cyst. But
other than that, no.
nail or a toothpick?
Because this was how we always did this.
You think that the world should be sterile, otherwise you
are unable to live in it? I have a surprise for you, the world
isn't sterile, and if you are unable to live in the world as it is,
well, too bad for you.
refrain from stepping out in front of them while wearing a pork chop
around my neck. The world as it is includes steep cliffs, yet I
refrain from walking straight off them just because I'm going in
that direction.
I will also point out that vaccines do nothing except introduce
antigens into your blood just like those present in live pathogens.
They don't weaken your immune system. They stimulate it in exactly
the same way those pathogens would. They certainly don't weaken your
immune system or encourage weakness. Just the opposite.
The world, as it is, includes pine needles. It doesn't
include sterile equipment.
So, there are two ways to do it, with a pine needle, or with
sterile equipment. To do the first, you just find a pine needle. To
do the second, you just...
In Evolution the key word is "efficiency". He, who is
efficient, he wins. So, I can, either, use pine needles, and the rest
leave for my body to deal with, or I can use a lot more energy, and
equipment, to do *the same thing*. I refuse to do things the second
way, I have to be efficient to survive.
The whole world had bubonic plague. The whole world, except
India. Why?
And, regarding vaccination, your analogy is excellent.
Vaccination introduces antigens into your blood, that work "just
like" the real things. Like a boxer, who is using a boxing bag to
train and be strong. Well, I have news for you, boxing bag isn't
enough. It *has to be* a live opponent.
I mean, all the newest research show that the problem with >>> Covid-19 is in our immune system, not in virus. It is used to boxing
bags, not to the real things. Boxing bags don't fight back.
They say that somebody who was ill and not vaccinated, and >>> survived, has 7 times better immunity than the one who was
vaccinated. I mean, there is a reason for it. It is hard to prove the
reason. Scientists behave like they are idiots, if it isn't proven,
it doesn't happen. They behave so stupidly, like they are 6 years old.
This isn't a game.
I have to add this. Throughout our evolution we used the
system that gave 7 times better immunity than vaccination. A lot of us
died using this system , but the ones who survived, they had good and
strong immune system. Then we introduced the system which gave us 7
times weaker immune system, but we all survived. At first. And now we
stopped to all survive. And we have problems. Our whole health care
system simply collapsed. I mean, don't you see what is happening
around you? People walk around with muzzles on their months. You say,
we can do it. I say, go to hell. I'll rather die. This isn't a life a
dignified animal should live. I am a human, for god's sake. But, I
don't look very much like it, with this muzzle on my mouth.
What's next? You say, you use sterile equipment, because you
can. Will we walk around this planet in a space suit, because we can?
Because you say that you have a better system than the Nature already
evolved. So, why you are walking around this world with this muzzle on
your mouth?
So, I'd rather use a pine needle than your sterile equipment. And yes, it will be bad for me, because I have more chance to die that
way. But, this way it would be much better for *us*, because, for sure,
*we* will survive, the society will survive, the strongest *will*
survive, for sure.
So, I am suggesting to this society, whoever is using sterile equipment, just stone him. He is a selfish idiot, who doesn't think what
this will mean for society, he only thinks what this will mean for him,
he doesn't care about the society. Society should stone those people, if
it is a smart society, led my smart old men, not by playful young idiots.
On 2.9.2021. 6:15, Mario Petrinovic wrote:
On 2.9.2021. 6:01, Mario Petrinovic wrote:
On 2.9.2021. 5:47, Mario Petrinovic wrote:
On 1.9.2021. 22:56, John Harshman wrote:
On 9/1/21 11:07 AM, Mario Petrinovic wrote:
On 1.9.2021. 18:56, John Harshman wrote:That's just nonsensical. The world as it is includes lions, yet I
On 8/31/21 11:48 PM, Mario Petrinovic wrote:
On 1.9.2021. 3:12, John Harshman wrote:Now I'm curious: why a pine needle specifically? Why not a rusty >>>>>>> nail or a toothpick?
On 8/31/21 9:30 AM, Mario Petrinovic wrote:
On 31.8.2021. 17:00, John Harshman wrote:Is this really all about injection? That's a completely
On 8/30/21 7:40 PM, Mario Petrinovic wrote:
On 31.8.2021. 4:39, John Harshman wrote:Yes, and those mRNA vaccines change your DNA and make you >>>>>>>>>>> magnetic.
On 8/30/21 7:34 PM, Mario Petrinovic wrote:
On 31.8.2021. 4:18, Mario Petrinovic wrote:I am disinclined to follow any advice you might ever have >>>>>>>>>>>>> for me. Fortunately.
On 31.8.2021. 3:01, John Harshman wrote:
On 8/30/21 2:59 PM, Mario Petrinovic wrote:
Vaccinate your babies, and fill up your >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> hospitals when they grow old.In contrast to your usual nonsense, this sort of thing >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is actively dangerous, or would be if you managed to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> convince anyone of it.
Grow less and less old, with every new >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> generation.
He, who didn't manage to understand the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Evolution, after 150 years of the research, he has to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> get it the hard way.
Ah, what can you do.
Jesus Christ.
My advice to you, *never* inject anything into >>>>>>>>>>>>>> your body. Injection bypasses all the defense mechanisms, >>>>>>>>>>>>>> when you inject something, your body doesn't have a chance >>>>>>>>>>>>>> to react to it, you surrendered your body, flat down. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Yes, but bypassing defense mechanisms is the thing
that is dangerous.
Well, that's your theory.
different justification from your previous one. Do you object >>>>>>>>> to dental anesthetic? Do you endorse oral vaccines such as the >>>>>>>>> one for polio?
No, it isn't about injection, it is about vaccination.
I just mentioned what you do when you put a needle in your body. >>>>>>>> This is the purpose of needle (I presume), to bypass your
defense mechanism.
I would to it, with a pine needle, to burst a cyst. But
other than that, no.
Because this was how we always did this.
You think that the world should be sterile, otherwise you
are unable to live in it? I have a surprise for you, the world
isn't sterile, and if you are unable to live in the world as it
is, well, too bad for you.
refrain from stepping out in front of them while wearing a pork
chop around my neck. The world as it is includes steep cliffs, yet
I refrain from walking straight off them just because I'm going in
that direction.
I will also point out that vaccines do nothing except introduce
antigens into your blood just like those present in live pathogens.
They don't weaken your immune system. They stimulate it in exactly
the same way those pathogens would. They certainly don't weaken
your immune system or encourage weakness. Just the opposite.
The world, as it is, includes pine needles. It doesn't >>>> include sterile equipment.
So, there are two ways to do it, with a pine needle, or >>>> with sterile equipment. To do the first, you just find a pine
needle. To do the second, you just...
In Evolution the key word is "efficiency". He, who is >>>> efficient, he wins. So, I can, either, use pine needles, and the
rest leave for my body to deal with, or I can use a lot more energy,
and equipment, to do *the same thing*. I refuse to do things the
second way, I have to be efficient to survive.
The whole world had bubonic plague. The whole world, except
India. Why?
And, regarding vaccination, your analogy is excellent. >>>> Vaccination introduces antigens into your blood, that work "just
like" the real things. Like a boxer, who is using a boxing bag to
train and be strong. Well, I have news for you, boxing bag isn't
enough. It *has to be* a live opponent.
I mean, all the newest research show that the problem with
Covid-19 is in our immune system, not in virus. It is used to boxing
bags, not to the real things. Boxing bags don't fight back.
They say that somebody who was ill and not vaccinated, and
survived, has 7 times better immunity than the one who was
vaccinated. I mean, there is a reason for it. It is hard to prove
the reason. Scientists behave like they are idiots, if it isn't
proven, it doesn't happen. They behave so stupidly, like they are 6
years old.
This isn't a game.
I have to add this. Throughout our evolution we used the >>> system that gave 7 times better immunity than vaccination. A lot of
us died using this system , but the ones who survived, they had good
and strong immune system. Then we introduced the system which gave us
7 times weaker immune system, but we all survived. At first. And now
we stopped to all survive. And we have problems. Our whole health
care system simply collapsed. I mean, don't you see what is happening
around you? People walk around with muzzles on their months. You say,
we can do it. I say, go to hell. I'll rather die. This isn't a life a
dignified animal should live. I am a human, for god's sake. But, I
don't look very much like it, with this muzzle on my mouth.
What's next? You say, you use sterile equipment, because you
can. Will we walk around this planet in a space suit, because we can?
Because you say that you have a better system than the Nature already
evolved. So, why you are walking around this world with this muzzle
on your mouth?
So, I'd rather use a pine needle than your sterile equipment.
And yes, it will be bad for me, because I have more chance to die that
way. But, this way it would be much better for *us*, because, for
sure, *we* will survive, the society will survive, the strongest
*will* survive, for sure.
So, I am suggesting to this society, whoever is using sterile
equipment, just stone him. He is a selfish idiot, who doesn't think
what this will mean for society, he only thinks what this will mean
for him, he doesn't care about the society. Society should stone those
people, if it is a smart society, led my smart old men, not by playful
young idiots.
But, our society, unfortunately, is led by scientists, a type of people who never grew up. Instead of growing up, they wasted their "growing up" time on their education.
On 2.9.2021. 6:20, John Harshman wrote:
On 9/1/21 9:15 PM, Mario Petrinovic wrote:
On 2.9.2021. 6:01, Mario Petrinovic wrote:To anyone who may be reading this, if indeed there is anyone: I
On 2.9.2021. 5:47, Mario Petrinovic wrote:
On 1.9.2021. 22:56, John Harshman wrote:
On 9/1/21 11:07 AM, Mario Petrinovic wrote:
On 1.9.2021. 18:56, John Harshman wrote:That's just nonsensical. The world as it is includes lions, yet I
On 8/31/21 11:48 PM, Mario Petrinovic wrote:
On 1.9.2021. 3:12, John Harshman wrote:Now I'm curious: why a pine needle specifically? Why not a rusty >>>>>>>> nail or a toothpick?
On 8/31/21 9:30 AM, Mario Petrinovic wrote:
On 31.8.2021. 17:00, John Harshman wrote:Is this really all about injection? That's a completely
On 8/30/21 7:40 PM, Mario Petrinovic wrote:
On 31.8.2021. 4:39, John Harshman wrote:Yes, and those mRNA vaccines change your DNA and make you >>>>>>>>>>>> magnetic.
On 8/30/21 7:34 PM, Mario Petrinovic wrote:
On 31.8.2021. 4:18, Mario Petrinovic wrote:I am disinclined to follow any advice you might ever have >>>>>>>>>>>>>> for me. Fortunately.
On 31.8.2021. 3:01, John Harshman wrote:
On 8/30/21 2:59 PM, Mario Petrinovic wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Vaccinate your babies, and fill up your >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> hospitals when they grow old.
Grow less and less old, with every new >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> generation.In contrast to your usual nonsense, this sort of thing >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is actively dangerous, or would be if you managed to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> convince anyone of it.
He, who didn't manage to understand the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Evolution, after 150 years of the research, he has to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> get it the hard way.
Ah, what can you do.
Jesus Christ.
My advice to you, *never* inject anything into >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> your body. Injection bypasses all the defense mechanisms, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> when you inject something, your body doesn't have a >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> chance to react to it, you surrendered your body, flat down. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Yes, but bypassing defense mechanisms is the thing
that is dangerous.
Well, that's your theory.
different justification from your previous one. Do you object >>>>>>>>>> to dental anesthetic? Do you endorse oral vaccines such as the >>>>>>>>>> one for polio?
No, it isn't about injection, it is about vaccination.
I just mentioned what you do when you put a needle in your
body. This is the purpose of needle (I presume), to bypass your >>>>>>>>> defense mechanism.
I would to it, with a pine needle, to burst a cyst. >>>>>>>>> But other than that, no.
Because this was how we always did this.
You think that the world should be sterile, otherwise >>>>>>> you are unable to live in it? I have a surprise for you, the
world isn't sterile, and if you are unable to live in the world
as it is, well, too bad for you.
refrain from stepping out in front of them while wearing a pork
chop around my neck. The world as it is includes steep cliffs, yet >>>>>> I refrain from walking straight off them just because I'm going in >>>>>> that direction.
I will also point out that vaccines do nothing except introduce
antigens into your blood just like those present in live
pathogens. They don't weaken your immune system. They stimulate it >>>>>> in exactly the same way those pathogens would. They certainly
don't weaken your immune system or encourage weakness. Just the
opposite.
The world, as it is, includes pine needles. It doesn't >>>>> include sterile equipment.
So, there are two ways to do it, with a pine needle, or >>>>> with sterile equipment. To do the first, you just find a pine
needle. To do the second, you just...
In Evolution the key word is "efficiency". He, who is >>>>> efficient, he wins. So, I can, either, use pine needles, and the
rest leave for my body to deal with, or I can use a lot more
energy, and equipment, to do *the same thing*. I refuse to do
things the second way, I have to be efficient to survive.
The whole world had bubonic plague. The whole world, >>>>> except India. Why?
And, regarding vaccination, your analogy is excellent. >>>>> Vaccination introduces antigens into your blood, that work "just
like" the real things. Like a boxer, who is using a boxing bag to
train and be strong. Well, I have news for you, boxing bag isn't
enough. It *has to be* a live opponent.
I mean, all the newest research show that the problem with
Covid-19 is in our immune system, not in virus. It is used to
boxing bags, not to the real things. Boxing bags don't fight back.
They say that somebody who was ill and not vaccinated, and
survived, has 7 times better immunity than the one who was
vaccinated. I mean, there is a reason for it. It is hard to prove
the reason. Scientists behave like they are idiots, if it isn't
proven, it doesn't happen. They behave so stupidly, like they are 6
years old.
This isn't a game.
I have to add this. Throughout our evolution we used the >>>> system that gave 7 times better immunity than vaccination. A lot of
us died using this system , but the ones who survived, they had good
and strong immune system. Then we introduced the system which gave
us 7 times weaker immune system, but we all survived. At first. And
now we stopped to all survive. And we have problems. Our whole
health care system simply collapsed. I mean, don't you see what is
happening around you? People walk around with muzzles on their
months. You say, we can do it. I say, go to hell. I'll rather die.
This isn't a life a dignified animal should live. I am a human, for
god's sake. But, I don't look very much like it, with this muzzle on
my mouth.
What's next? You say, you use sterile equipment, because >>>> you can. Will we walk around this planet in a space suit, because we
can? Because you say that you have a better system than the Nature
already evolved. So, why you are walking around this world with this
muzzle on your mouth?
So, I'd rather use a pine needle than your sterile
equipment. And yes, it will be bad for me, because I have more chance
to die that way. But, this way it would be much better for *us*,
because, for sure, *we* will survive, the society will survive, the
strongest *will* survive, for sure.
So, I am suggesting to this society, whoever is using
sterile equipment, just stone him. He is a selfish idiot, who doesn't
think what this will mean for society, he only thinks what this will
mean for him, he doesn't care about the society. Society should stone
those people, if it is a smart society, led my smart old men, not by
playful young idiots.
apologize for poking him. I will stop now.
Your usual "exit strategy". I've gotten used to it, lol.
On 9/1/21 9:15 PM, Mario Petrinovic wrote:
On 2.9.2021. 6:01, Mario Petrinovic wrote:
On 2.9.2021. 5:47, Mario Petrinovic wrote:
On 1.9.2021. 22:56, John Harshman wrote:
On 9/1/21 11:07 AM, Mario Petrinovic wrote:
On 1.9.2021. 18:56, John Harshman wrote:That's just nonsensical. The world as it is includes lions, yet I
On 8/31/21 11:48 PM, Mario Petrinovic wrote:
On 1.9.2021. 3:12, John Harshman wrote:Now I'm curious: why a pine needle specifically? Why not a rusty >>>>>> nail or a toothpick?
On 8/31/21 9:30 AM, Mario Petrinovic wrote:
On 31.8.2021. 17:00, John Harshman wrote:Is this really all about injection? That's a completely
On 8/30/21 7:40 PM, Mario Petrinovic wrote:
On 31.8.2021. 4:39, John Harshman wrote:Yes, and those mRNA vaccines change your DNA and make you >>>>>>>>>> magnetic.
On 8/30/21 7:34 PM, Mario Petrinovic wrote:
On 31.8.2021. 4:18, Mario Petrinovic wrote:I am disinclined to follow any advice you might ever have >>>>>>>>>>>> for me. Fortunately.
On 31.8.2021. 3:01, John Harshman wrote:
On 8/30/21 2:59 PM, Mario Petrinovic wrote:
Vaccinate your babies, and fill up yourIn contrast to your usual nonsense, this sort of thing is >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> actively dangerous, or would be if you managed to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> convince anyone of it.
hospitals when they grow old.
Grow less and less old, with every new generation. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> He, who didn't manage to understand the
Evolution, after 150 years of the research, he has to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> get it the hard way.
Ah, what can you do.
Jesus Christ.
My advice to you, *never* inject anything into
your body. Injection bypasses all the defense mechanisms, >>>>>>>>>>>>> when you inject something, your body doesn't have a chance >>>>>>>>>>>>> to react to it, you surrendered your body, flat down. >>>>>>>>>>>>>
Yes, but bypassing defense mechanisms is the thing
that is dangerous.
Well, that's your theory.
different justification from your previous one. Do you object to >>>>>>>> dental anesthetic? Do you endorse oral vaccines such as the one >>>>>>>> for polio?
No, it isn't about injection, it is about vaccination. I
just mentioned what you do when you put a needle in your body. >>>>>>> This is the purpose of needle (I presume), to bypass your defense >>>>>>> mechanism.
I would to it, with a pine needle, to burst a cyst. But
other than that, no.
Because this was how we always did this.
You think that the world should be sterile, otherwise you
are unable to live in it? I have a surprise for you, the world
isn't sterile, and if you are unable to live in the world as it is, >>>>> well, too bad for you.
refrain from stepping out in front of them while wearing a pork chop >>>> around my neck. The world as it is includes steep cliffs, yet I
refrain from walking straight off them just because I'm going in
that direction.
I will also point out that vaccines do nothing except introduce
antigens into your blood just like those present in live pathogens.
They don't weaken your immune system. They stimulate it in exactly
the same way those pathogens would. They certainly don't weaken your >>>> immune system or encourage weakness. Just the opposite.
The world, as it is, includes pine needles. It doesn't
include sterile equipment.
So, there are two ways to do it, with a pine needle, or with
sterile equipment. To do the first, you just find a pine needle. To
do the second, you just...
In Evolution the key word is "efficiency". He, who is
efficient, he wins. So, I can, either, use pine needles, and the rest
leave for my body to deal with, or I can use a lot more energy, and
equipment, to do *the same thing*. I refuse to do things the second
way, I have to be efficient to survive.
The whole world had bubonic plague. The whole world, except
India. Why?
And, regarding vaccination, your analogy is excellent.
Vaccination introduces antigens into your blood, that work "just
like" the real things. Like a boxer, who is using a boxing bag to
train and be strong. Well, I have news for you, boxing bag isn't
enough. It *has to be* a live opponent.
I mean, all the newest research show that the problem with
Covid-19 is in our immune system, not in virus. It is used to boxing
bags, not to the real things. Boxing bags don't fight back.
They say that somebody who was ill and not vaccinated, and
survived, has 7 times better immunity than the one who was
vaccinated. I mean, there is a reason for it. It is hard to prove the
reason. Scientists behave like they are idiots, if it isn't proven,
it doesn't happen. They behave so stupidly, like they are 6 years old. >>> This isn't a game.
I have to add this. Throughout our evolution we used the
system that gave 7 times better immunity than vaccination. A lot of us
died using this system , but the ones who survived, they had good and
strong immune system. Then we introduced the system which gave us 7
times weaker immune system, but we all survived. At first. And now we
stopped to all survive. And we have problems. Our whole health care
system simply collapsed. I mean, don't you see what is happening
around you? People walk around with muzzles on their months. You say,
we can do it. I say, go to hell. I'll rather die. This isn't a life a
dignified animal should live. I am a human, for god's sake. But, I
don't look very much like it, with this muzzle on my mouth.
What's next? You say, you use sterile equipment, because you
can. Will we walk around this planet in a space suit, because we can?
Because you say that you have a better system than the Nature already
evolved. So, why you are walking around this world with this muzzle on
your mouth?
So, I'd rather use a pine needle than your sterile equipment.
And yes, it will be bad for me, because I have more chance to die that
way. But, this way it would be much better for *us*, because, for sure, *we* will survive, the society will survive, the strongest *will*
survive, for sure.
So, I am suggesting to this society, whoever is using sterile
equipment, just stone him. He is a selfish idiot, who doesn't think what this will mean for society, he only thinks what this will mean for him,
he doesn't care about the society. Society should stone those people, if
it is a smart society, led my smart old men, not by playful young idiots.
To anyone who may be reading this, if indeed there is anyone: I
apologize for poking him. I will stop now.
On Wednesday, September 1, 2021 at 9:21:02 PM UTC-7, John Harshman wrote:
On 9/1/21 9:15 PM, Mario Petrinovic wrote:
On 2.9.2021. 6:01, Mario Petrinovic wrote:To anyone who may be reading this, if indeed there is anyone: I
On 2.9.2021. 5:47, Mario Petrinovic wrote:
On 1.9.2021. 22:56, John Harshman wrote:
On 9/1/21 11:07 AM, Mario Petrinovic wrote:
On 1.9.2021. 18:56, John Harshman wrote:That's just nonsensical. The world as it is includes lions, yet I
On 8/31/21 11:48 PM, Mario Petrinovic wrote:
On 1.9.2021. 3:12, John Harshman wrote:Now I'm curious: why a pine needle specifically? Why not a rusty >>>>>>>> nail or a toothpick?
On 8/31/21 9:30 AM, Mario Petrinovic wrote:
On 31.8.2021. 17:00, John Harshman wrote:Is this really all about injection? That's a completely
On 8/30/21 7:40 PM, Mario Petrinovic wrote:
On 31.8.2021. 4:39, John Harshman wrote:Yes, and those mRNA vaccines change your DNA and make you >>>>>>>>>>>> magnetic.
On 8/30/21 7:34 PM, Mario Petrinovic wrote:
On 31.8.2021. 4:18, Mario Petrinovic wrote:I am disinclined to follow any advice you might ever have >>>>>>>>>>>>>> for me. Fortunately.
On 31.8.2021. 3:01, John Harshman wrote:
On 8/30/21 2:59 PM, Mario Petrinovic wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Vaccinate your babies, and fill up your
hospitals when they grow old.In contrast to your usual nonsense, this sort of thing is >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> actively dangerous, or would be if you managed to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> convince anyone of it.
Grow less and less old, with every new generation. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> He, who didn't manage to understand the
Evolution, after 150 years of the research, he has to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> get it the hard way.
Ah, what can you do.
Jesus Christ.
My advice to you, *never* inject anything into
your body. Injection bypasses all the defense mechanisms, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> when you inject something, your body doesn't have a chance >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to react to it, you surrendered your body, flat down. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Yes, but bypassing defense mechanisms is the thing
that is dangerous.
Well, that's your theory.
different justification from your previous one. Do you object to >>>>>>>>>> dental anesthetic? Do you endorse oral vaccines such as the one >>>>>>>>>> for polio?
No, it isn't about injection, it is about vaccination. I
just mentioned what you do when you put a needle in your body. >>>>>>>>> This is the purpose of needle (I presume), to bypass your defense >>>>>>>>> mechanism.
I would to it, with a pine needle, to burst a cyst. But
other than that, no.
Because this was how we always did this.
You think that the world should be sterile, otherwise you
are unable to live in it? I have a surprise for you, the world
isn't sterile, and if you are unable to live in the world as it is, >>>>>>> well, too bad for you.
refrain from stepping out in front of them while wearing a pork chop >>>>>> around my neck. The world as it is includes steep cliffs, yet I
refrain from walking straight off them just because I'm going in
that direction.
I will also point out that vaccines do nothing except introduce
antigens into your blood just like those present in live pathogens. >>>>>> They don't weaken your immune system. They stimulate it in exactly >>>>>> the same way those pathogens would. They certainly don't weaken your >>>>>> immune system or encourage weakness. Just the opposite.
The world, as it is, includes pine needles. It doesn't
include sterile equipment.
So, there are two ways to do it, with a pine needle, or with
sterile equipment. To do the first, you just find a pine needle. To
do the second, you just...
In Evolution the key word is "efficiency". He, who is
efficient, he wins. So, I can, either, use pine needles, and the rest >>>>> leave for my body to deal with, or I can use a lot more energy, and
equipment, to do *the same thing*. I refuse to do things the second
way, I have to be efficient to survive.
The whole world had bubonic plague. The whole world, except
India. Why?
And, regarding vaccination, your analogy is excellent.
Vaccination introduces antigens into your blood, that work "just
like" the real things. Like a boxer, who is using a boxing bag to
train and be strong. Well, I have news for you, boxing bag isn't
enough. It *has to be* a live opponent.
I mean, all the newest research show that the problem with
Covid-19 is in our immune system, not in virus. It is used to boxing >>>>> bags, not to the real things. Boxing bags don't fight back.
They say that somebody who was ill and not vaccinated, and
survived, has 7 times better immunity than the one who was
vaccinated. I mean, there is a reason for it. It is hard to prove the >>>>> reason. Scientists behave like they are idiots, if it isn't proven,
it doesn't happen. They behave so stupidly, like they are 6 years old. >>>>> This isn't a game.
I have to add this. Throughout our evolution we used the
system that gave 7 times better immunity than vaccination. A lot of us >>>> died using this system , but the ones who survived, they had good and
strong immune system. Then we introduced the system which gave us 7
times weaker immune system, but we all survived. At first. And now we
stopped to all survive. And we have problems. Our whole health care
system simply collapsed. I mean, don't you see what is happening
around you? People walk around with muzzles on their months. You say,
we can do it. I say, go to hell. I'll rather die. This isn't a life a
dignified animal should live. I am a human, for god's sake. But, I
don't look very much like it, with this muzzle on my mouth.
What's next? You say, you use sterile equipment, because you
can. Will we walk around this planet in a space suit, because we can?
Because you say that you have a better system than the Nature already
evolved. So, why you are walking around this world with this muzzle on >>>> your mouth?
So, I'd rather use a pine needle than your sterile equipment.
And yes, it will be bad for me, because I have more chance to die that
way. But, this way it would be much better for *us*, because, for sure,
*we* will survive, the society will survive, the strongest *will*
survive, for sure.
So, I am suggesting to this society, whoever is using sterile
equipment, just stone him. He is a selfish idiot, who doesn't think what >>> this will mean for society, he only thinks what this will mean for him,
he doesn't care about the society. Society should stone those people, if >>> it is a smart society, led my smart old men, not by playful young idiots. >>>
apologize for poking him. I will stop now.
No apology necessary. But this latest rant he's on confirms to me that he's just a
troll. I still have the probably unjustifiable belief that you can't be that stupid and still
be alive.
On 9/1/21 11:07 AM, Mario Petrinovic wrote:
On 1.9.2021. 18:56, John Harshman wrote:That's just nonsensical. The world as it is includes lions, yet I
On 8/31/21 11:48 PM, Mario Petrinovic wrote:
On 1.9.2021. 3:12, John Harshman wrote:Now I'm curious: why a pine needle specifically? Why not a rusty nail
On 8/31/21 9:30 AM, Mario Petrinovic wrote:
On 31.8.2021. 17:00, John Harshman wrote:Is this really all about injection? That's a completely different
On 8/30/21 7:40 PM, Mario Petrinovic wrote:Well, that's your theory.
On 31.8.2021. 4:39, John Harshman wrote:Yes, and those mRNA vaccines change your DNA and make you magnetic. >>>>>>
On 8/30/21 7:34 PM, Mario Petrinovic wrote:
On 31.8.2021. 4:18, Mario Petrinovic wrote:I am disinclined to follow any advice you might ever have for >>>>>>>>> me. Fortunately.
On 31.8.2021. 3:01, John Harshman wrote:
On 8/30/21 2:59 PM, Mario Petrinovic wrote:
Vaccinate your babies, and fill up your hospitalsIn contrast to your usual nonsense, this sort of thing is >>>>>>>>>>>> actively dangerous, or would be if you managed to convince >>>>>>>>>>>> anyone of it.
when they grow old.
Grow less and less old, with every new generation.
He, who didn't manage to understand the Evolution,
after 150 years of the research, he has to get it the hard way. >>>>>>>>>>>>> Ah, what can you do.
Jesus Christ.
My advice to you, *never* inject anything into your >>>>>>>>>> body. Injection bypasses all the defense mechanisms, when you >>>>>>>>>> inject something, your body doesn't have a chance to react to >>>>>>>>>> it, you surrendered your body, flat down.
Yes, but bypassing defense mechanisms is the thing that
is dangerous.
justification from your previous one. Do you object to dental
anesthetic? Do you endorse oral vaccines such as the one for polio?
No, it isn't about injection, it is about vaccination. I >>>> just mentioned what you do when you put a needle in your body. This
is the purpose of needle (I presume), to bypass your defense mechanism. >>>> I would to it, with a pine needle, to burst a cyst. But >>>> other than that, no.
or a toothpick?
Because this was how we always did this.
You think that the world should be sterile, otherwise you are >> unable to live in it? I have a surprise for you, the world isn't
sterile, and if you are unable to live in the world as it is, well, too
bad for you.
refrain from stepping out in front of them while wearing a pork chop
around my neck. The world as it is includes steep cliffs, yet I refrain
from walking straight off them just because I'm going in that direction.
I will also point out that vaccines do nothing except introduce antigens
into your blood just like those present in live pathogens. They don't
weaken your immune system. They stimulate it in exactly the same way
those pathogens would. They certainly don't weaken your immune system or encourage weakness. Just the opposite.
On Wednesday, September 1, 2021 at 9:21:02 PM UTC-7, John Harshman wrote:
On 9/1/21 9:15 PM, Mario Petrinovic wrote:
On 2.9.2021. 6:01, Mario Petrinovic wrote:To anyone who may be reading this, if indeed there is anyone: I
On 2.9.2021. 5:47, Mario Petrinovic wrote:
On 1.9.2021. 22:56, John Harshman wrote:
On 9/1/21 11:07 AM, Mario Petrinovic wrote:
On 1.9.2021. 18:56, John Harshman wrote:That's just nonsensical. The world as it is includes lions, yet I
On 8/31/21 11:48 PM, Mario Petrinovic wrote:
On 1.9.2021. 3:12, John Harshman wrote:Now I'm curious: why a pine needle specifically? Why not a rusty >>>>>>>> nail or a toothpick?
On 8/31/21 9:30 AM, Mario Petrinovic wrote:
On 31.8.2021. 17:00, John Harshman wrote:Is this really all about injection? That's a completely
On 8/30/21 7:40 PM, Mario Petrinovic wrote:
On 31.8.2021. 4:39, John Harshman wrote:Yes, and those mRNA vaccines change your DNA and make you >>>>>>>>>>>> magnetic.
On 8/30/21 7:34 PM, Mario Petrinovic wrote:
On 31.8.2021. 4:18, Mario Petrinovic wrote:I am disinclined to follow any advice you might ever have >>>>>>>>>>>>>> for me. Fortunately.
On 31.8.2021. 3:01, John Harshman wrote:
On 8/30/21 2:59 PM, Mario Petrinovic wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Vaccinate your babies, and fill up your
hospitals when they grow old.In contrast to your usual nonsense, this sort of thing is >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> actively dangerous, or would be if you managed to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> convince anyone of it.
Grow less and less old, with every new generation. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> He, who didn't manage to understand the
Evolution, after 150 years of the research, he has to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> get it the hard way.
Ah, what can you do.
Jesus Christ.
My advice to you, *never* inject anything into
your body. Injection bypasses all the defense mechanisms, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> when you inject something, your body doesn't have a chance >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to react to it, you surrendered your body, flat down. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Yes, but bypassing defense mechanisms is the thing
that is dangerous.
Well, that's your theory.
different justification from your previous one. Do you object to >>>>>>>>>> dental anesthetic? Do you endorse oral vaccines such as the one >>>>>>>>>> for polio?
No, it isn't about injection, it is about vaccination. I
just mentioned what you do when you put a needle in your body. >>>>>>>>> This is the purpose of needle (I presume), to bypass your defense >>>>>>>>> mechanism.
I would to it, with a pine needle, to burst a cyst. But
other than that, no.
Because this was how we always did this.
You think that the world should be sterile, otherwise you
are unable to live in it? I have a surprise for you, the world
isn't sterile, and if you are unable to live in the world as it is, >>>>>>> well, too bad for you.
refrain from stepping out in front of them while wearing a pork chop >>>>>> around my neck. The world as it is includes steep cliffs, yet I
refrain from walking straight off them just because I'm going in
that direction.
I will also point out that vaccines do nothing except introduce
antigens into your blood just like those present in live pathogens. >>>>>> They don't weaken your immune system. They stimulate it in exactly >>>>>> the same way those pathogens would. They certainly don't weaken your >>>>>> immune system or encourage weakness. Just the opposite.
The world, as it is, includes pine needles. It doesn't
include sterile equipment.
So, there are two ways to do it, with a pine needle, or with
sterile equipment. To do the first, you just find a pine needle. To
do the second, you just...
In Evolution the key word is "efficiency". He, who is
efficient, he wins. So, I can, either, use pine needles, and the rest >>>>> leave for my body to deal with, or I can use a lot more energy, and
equipment, to do *the same thing*. I refuse to do things the second
way, I have to be efficient to survive.
The whole world had bubonic plague. The whole world, except
India. Why?
And, regarding vaccination, your analogy is excellent.
Vaccination introduces antigens into your blood, that work "just
like" the real things. Like a boxer, who is using a boxing bag to
train and be strong. Well, I have news for you, boxing bag isn't
enough. It *has to be* a live opponent.
I mean, all the newest research show that the problem with
Covid-19 is in our immune system, not in virus. It is used to boxing >>>>> bags, not to the real things. Boxing bags don't fight back.
They say that somebody who was ill and not vaccinated, and
survived, has 7 times better immunity than the one who was
vaccinated. I mean, there is a reason for it. It is hard to prove the >>>>> reason. Scientists behave like they are idiots, if it isn't proven,
it doesn't happen. They behave so stupidly, like they are 6 years old. >>>>> This isn't a game.
I have to add this. Throughout our evolution we used the
system that gave 7 times better immunity than vaccination. A lot of us >>>> died using this system , but the ones who survived, they had good and
strong immune system. Then we introduced the system which gave us 7
times weaker immune system, but we all survived. At first. And now we
stopped to all survive. And we have problems. Our whole health care
system simply collapsed. I mean, don't you see what is happening
around you? People walk around with muzzles on their months. You say,
we can do it. I say, go to hell. I'll rather die. This isn't a life a
dignified animal should live. I am a human, for god's sake. But, I
don't look very much like it, with this muzzle on my mouth.
What's next? You say, you use sterile equipment, because you
can. Will we walk around this planet in a space suit, because we can?
Because you say that you have a better system than the Nature already
evolved. So, why you are walking around this world with this muzzle on >>>> your mouth?
So, I'd rather use a pine needle than your sterile equipment.
And yes, it will be bad for me, because I have more chance to die that
way. But, this way it would be much better for *us*, because, for sure,
*we* will survive, the society will survive, the strongest *will*
survive, for sure.
So, I am suggesting to this society, whoever is using sterile
equipment, just stone him. He is a selfish idiot, who doesn't think what >>> this will mean for society, he only thinks what this will mean for him,
he doesn't care about the society. Society should stone those people, if >>> it is a smart society, led my smart old men, not by playful young idiots. >>>
apologize for poking him. I will stop now.
No apology necessary. But this latest rant he's on confirms to me that he's just a
troll. I still have the probably unjustifiable belief that you can't be
that stupid and still
be alive.
John Harshman <jharshman@pacbell.net> wrote:
On 9/1/21 11:07 AM, Mario Petrinovic wrote:A recent meme I saw captures it well. EMS is loading a guy in dire need of medical help on a gurney into an ambulance. He asks if they are
On 1.9.2021. 18:56, John Harshman wrote:That's just nonsensical. The world as it is includes lions, yet I
On 8/31/21 11:48 PM, Mario Petrinovic wrote:
On 1.9.2021. 3:12, John Harshman wrote:Now I'm curious: why a pine needle specifically? Why not a rusty nail
On 8/31/21 9:30 AM, Mario Petrinovic wrote:No, it isn't about injection, it is about vaccination. I
On 31.8.2021. 17:00, John Harshman wrote:Is this really all about injection? That's a completely different
On 8/30/21 7:40 PM, Mario Petrinovic wrote:Well, that's your theory.
On 31.8.2021. 4:39, John Harshman wrote:Yes, and those mRNA vaccines change your DNA and make you magnetic. >>>>>>>
On 8/30/21 7:34 PM, Mario Petrinovic wrote:
On 31.8.2021. 4:18, Mario Petrinovic wrote:I am disinclined to follow any advice you might ever have for >>>>>>>>>> me. Fortunately.
On 31.8.2021. 3:01, John Harshman wrote:
On 8/30/21 2:59 PM, Mario Petrinovic wrote:
Vaccinate your babies, and fill up your hospitalsIn contrast to your usual nonsense, this sort of thing is >>>>>>>>>>>>> actively dangerous, or would be if you managed to convince >>>>>>>>>>>>> anyone of it.
when they grow old.
Grow less and less old, with every new generation.
He, who didn't manage to understand the Evolution,
after 150 years of the research, he has to get it the hard way. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ah, what can you do.
Jesus Christ.
My advice to you, *never* inject anything into your
body. Injection bypasses all the defense mechanisms, when you >>>>>>>>>>> inject something, your body doesn't have a chance to react to >>>>>>>>>>> it, you surrendered your body, flat down.
Yes, but bypassing defense mechanisms is the thing that
is dangerous.
justification from your previous one. Do you object to dental
anesthetic? Do you endorse oral vaccines such as the one for polio? >>>>>
just mentioned what you do when you put a needle in your body. This
is the purpose of needle (I presume), to bypass your defense mechanism. >>>>> I would to it, with a pine needle, to burst a cyst. But >>>>> other than that, no.
or a toothpick?
Because this was how we always did this.
You think that the world should be sterile, otherwise you are
unable to live in it? I have a surprise for you, the world isn't
sterile, and if you are unable to live in the world as it is, well, too
bad for you.
refrain from stepping out in front of them while wearing a pork chop
around my neck. The world as it is includes steep cliffs, yet I refrain
from walking straight off them just because I'm going in that direction.
I will also point out that vaccines do nothing except introduce antigens
into your blood just like those present in live pathogens. They don't
weaken your immune system. They stimulate it in exactly the same way
those pathogens would. They certainly don't weaken your immune system or
encourage weakness. Just the opposite.
transporting him to the hospital. One of the emergency medics says no, instead they are taking him to the experts in the “comments section”. Priceless. Such idiocy now abounds.
On 1.9.2021. 22:56, John Harshman wrote:
On 9/1/21 11:07 AM, Mario Petrinovic wrote:
On 1.9.2021. 18:56, John Harshman wrote:That's just nonsensical. The world as it is includes lions, yet I
On 8/31/21 11:48 PM, Mario Petrinovic wrote:
On 1.9.2021. 3:12, John Harshman wrote:Now I'm curious: why a pine needle specifically? Why not a rusty
On 8/31/21 9:30 AM, Mario Petrinovic wrote:No, it isn't about injection, it is about vaccination. I >>>>> just mentioned what you do when you put a needle in your body. This
On 31.8.2021. 17:00, John Harshman wrote:Is this really all about injection? That's a completely different
On 8/30/21 7:40 PM, Mario Petrinovic wrote:Well, that's your theory.
On 31.8.2021. 4:39, John Harshman wrote:Yes, and those mRNA vaccines change your DNA and make you magnetic. >>>>>>>
On 8/30/21 7:34 PM, Mario Petrinovic wrote:
On 31.8.2021. 4:18, Mario Petrinovic wrote:I am disinclined to follow any advice you might ever have for >>>>>>>>>> me. Fortunately.
On 31.8.2021. 3:01, John Harshman wrote:
On 8/30/21 2:59 PM, Mario Petrinovic wrote:
Vaccinate your babies, and fill up your hospitalsIn contrast to your usual nonsense, this sort of thing is >>>>>>>>>>>>> actively dangerous, or would be if you managed to convince >>>>>>>>>>>>> anyone of it.
when they grow old.
Grow less and less old, with every new generation.
He, who didn't manage to understand the >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Evolution, after 150 years of the research, he has to get >>>>>>>>>>>>>> it the hard way.
Ah, what can you do.
Jesus Christ.
My advice to you, *never* inject anything into your
body. Injection bypasses all the defense mechanisms, when you >>>>>>>>>>> inject something, your body doesn't have a chance to react to >>>>>>>>>>> it, you surrendered your body, flat down.
Yes, but bypassing defense mechanisms is the thing >>>>>>>>> that is dangerous.
justification from your previous one. Do you object to dental
anesthetic? Do you endorse oral vaccines such as the one for polio? >>>>>
is the purpose of needle (I presume), to bypass your defense
mechanism.
I would to it, with a pine needle, to burst a cyst. But >>>>> other than that, no.
nail or a toothpick?
Because this was how we always did this.
You think that the world should be sterile, otherwise you >>> are unable to live in it? I have a surprise for you, the world isn't
sterile, and if you are unable to live in the world as it is, well,
too bad for you.
refrain from stepping out in front of them while wearing a pork chop
around my neck. The world as it is includes steep cliffs, yet I
refrain from walking straight off them just because I'm going in that
direction.
I will also point out that vaccines do nothing except introduce
antigens into your blood just like those present in live pathogens.
They don't weaken your immune system. They stimulate it in exactly the
same way those pathogens would. They certainly don't weaken your
immune system or encourage weakness. Just the opposite.
The world, as it is, includes pine needles. It doesn't include
sterile equipment.
So, there are two ways to do it, with a pine needle, or with sterile equipment. To do the first, you just find a pine needle. To do
the second, you just...
In Evolution the key word is "efficiency". He, who is efficient, he wins. So, I can, either, use pine needles, and the rest
leave for my body to deal with, or I can use a lot more energy, and equipment, to do *the same thing*. I refuse to do things the second way,
I have to be efficient to survive.
The whole world had bubonic plague. The whole world, except India. Why?
On Wednesday, September 1, 2021 at 9:21:02 PM UTC-7, John Harshman wrote:
On 9/1/21 9:15 PM, Mario Petrinovic wrote:
On 2.9.2021. 6:01, Mario Petrinovic wrote:To anyone who may be reading this, if indeed there is anyone: I
On 2.9.2021. 5:47, Mario Petrinovic wrote:
On 1.9.2021. 22:56, John Harshman wrote:
On 9/1/21 11:07 AM, Mario Petrinovic wrote:
On 1.9.2021. 18:56, John Harshman wrote:That's just nonsensical. The world as it is includes lions, yet I
On 8/31/21 11:48 PM, Mario Petrinovic wrote:
On 1.9.2021. 3:12, John Harshman wrote:Now I'm curious: why a pine needle specifically? Why not a rusty >>>>>>>> nail or a toothpick?
On 8/31/21 9:30 AM, Mario Petrinovic wrote:
On 31.8.2021. 17:00, John Harshman wrote:Is this really all about injection? That's a completely
On 8/30/21 7:40 PM, Mario Petrinovic wrote:
On 31.8.2021. 4:39, John Harshman wrote:Yes, and those mRNA vaccines change your DNA and make you >>>>>>>>>>>> magnetic.
On 8/30/21 7:34 PM, Mario Petrinovic wrote:
On 31.8.2021. 4:18, Mario Petrinovic wrote:I am disinclined to follow any advice you might ever have >>>>>>>>>>>>>> for me. Fortunately.
On 31.8.2021. 3:01, John Harshman wrote:
On 8/30/21 2:59 PM, Mario Petrinovic wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Vaccinate your babies, and fill up your
hospitals when they grow old.In contrast to your usual nonsense, this sort of thing is >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> actively dangerous, or would be if you managed to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> convince anyone of it.
Grow less and less old, with every new generation. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> He, who didn't manage to understand the
Evolution, after 150 years of the research, he has to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> get it the hard way.
Ah, what can you do.
Jesus Christ.
My advice to you, *never* inject anything into
your body. Injection bypasses all the defense mechanisms, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> when you inject something, your body doesn't have a chance >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to react to it, you surrendered your body, flat down. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Yes, but bypassing defense mechanisms is the thing
that is dangerous.
Well, that's your theory.
different justification from your previous one. Do you object to >>>>>>>>>> dental anesthetic? Do you endorse oral vaccines such as the one >>>>>>>>>> for polio?
No, it isn't about injection, it is about vaccination. I
just mentioned what you do when you put a needle in your body. >>>>>>>>> This is the purpose of needle (I presume), to bypass your defense >>>>>>>>> mechanism.
I would to it, with a pine needle, to burst a cyst. But
other than that, no.
Because this was how we always did this.
You think that the world should be sterile, otherwise you
are unable to live in it? I have a surprise for you, the world
isn't sterile, and if you are unable to live in the world as it is, >>>>>>> well, too bad for you.
refrain from stepping out in front of them while wearing a pork chop >>>>>> around my neck. The world as it is includes steep cliffs, yet I
refrain from walking straight off them just because I'm going in
that direction.
I will also point out that vaccines do nothing except introduce
antigens into your blood just like those present in live pathogens. >>>>>> They don't weaken your immune system. They stimulate it in exactly >>>>>> the same way those pathogens would. They certainly don't weaken your >>>>>> immune system or encourage weakness. Just the opposite.
The world, as it is, includes pine needles. It doesn't
include sterile equipment.
So, there are two ways to do it, with a pine needle, or with
sterile equipment. To do the first, you just find a pine needle. To
do the second, you just...
In Evolution the key word is "efficiency". He, who is
efficient, he wins. So, I can, either, use pine needles, and the rest >>>>> leave for my body to deal with, or I can use a lot more energy, and
equipment, to do *the same thing*. I refuse to do things the second
way, I have to be efficient to survive.
The whole world had bubonic plague. The whole world, except
India. Why?
And, regarding vaccination, your analogy is excellent.
Vaccination introduces antigens into your blood, that work "just
like" the real things. Like a boxer, who is using a boxing bag to
train and be strong. Well, I have news for you, boxing bag isn't
enough. It *has to be* a live opponent.
I mean, all the newest research show that the problem with
Covid-19 is in our immune system, not in virus. It is used to boxing >>>>> bags, not to the real things. Boxing bags don't fight back.
They say that somebody who was ill and not vaccinated, and
survived, has 7 times better immunity than the one who was
vaccinated. I mean, there is a reason for it. It is hard to prove the >>>>> reason. Scientists behave like they are idiots, if it isn't proven,
it doesn't happen. They behave so stupidly, like they are 6 years old. >>>>> This isn't a game.
I have to add this. Throughout our evolution we used the
system that gave 7 times better immunity than vaccination. A lot of us >>>> died using this system , but the ones who survived, they had good and
strong immune system. Then we introduced the system which gave us 7
times weaker immune system, but we all survived. At first. And now we
stopped to all survive. And we have problems. Our whole health care
system simply collapsed. I mean, don't you see what is happening
around you? People walk around with muzzles on their months. You say,
we can do it. I say, go to hell. I'll rather die. This isn't a life a
dignified animal should live. I am a human, for god's sake. But, I
don't look very much like it, with this muzzle on my mouth.
What's next? You say, you use sterile equipment, because you
can. Will we walk around this planet in a space suit, because we can?
Because you say that you have a better system than the Nature already
evolved. So, why you are walking around this world with this muzzle on >>>> your mouth?
So, I'd rather use a pine needle than your sterile equipment.
And yes, it will be bad for me, because I have more chance to die that
way. But, this way it would be much better for *us*, because, for sure,
*we* will survive, the society will survive, the strongest *will*
survive, for sure.
So, I am suggesting to this society, whoever is using sterile
equipment, just stone him. He is a selfish idiot, who doesn't think what >>> this will mean for society, he only thinks what this will mean for him,
he doesn't care about the society. Society should stone those people, if >>> it is a smart society, led my smart old men, not by playful young idiots. >>>
apologize for poking him. I will stop now.
No apology necessary. But this latest rant he's on confirms to me that he's just a
troll. I still have the probably unjustifiable belief that you can't be that stupid and still
be alive.
John Harshman <jharshman@pacbell.net> wrote:
On 9/1/21 11:07 AM, Mario Petrinovic wrote:A recent meme I saw captures it well. EMS is loading a guy in dire need of medical help on a gurney into an ambulance. He asks if they are
On 1.9.2021. 18:56, John Harshman wrote:That's just nonsensical. The world as it is includes lions, yet I
On 8/31/21 11:48 PM, Mario Petrinovic wrote:
On 1.9.2021. 3:12, John Harshman wrote:Now I'm curious: why a pine needle specifically? Why not a rusty nail
On 8/31/21 9:30 AM, Mario Petrinovic wrote:No, it isn't about injection, it is about vaccination. I
On 31.8.2021. 17:00, John Harshman wrote:Is this really all about injection? That's a completely different
On 8/30/21 7:40 PM, Mario Petrinovic wrote:Well, that's your theory.
On 31.8.2021. 4:39, John Harshman wrote:Yes, and those mRNA vaccines change your DNA and make you magnetic. >>>>>>>
On 8/30/21 7:34 PM, Mario Petrinovic wrote:
On 31.8.2021. 4:18, Mario Petrinovic wrote:I am disinclined to follow any advice you might ever have for >>>>>>>>>> me. Fortunately.
On 31.8.2021. 3:01, John Harshman wrote:
On 8/30/21 2:59 PM, Mario Petrinovic wrote:
Vaccinate your babies, and fill up your hospitalsIn contrast to your usual nonsense, this sort of thing is >>>>>>>>>>>>> actively dangerous, or would be if you managed to convince >>>>>>>>>>>>> anyone of it.
when they grow old.
Grow less and less old, with every new generation.
He, who didn't manage to understand the Evolution,
after 150 years of the research, he has to get it the hard way. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ah, what can you do.
Jesus Christ.
My advice to you, *never* inject anything into your
body. Injection bypasses all the defense mechanisms, when you >>>>>>>>>>> inject something, your body doesn't have a chance to react to >>>>>>>>>>> it, you surrendered your body, flat down.
Yes, but bypassing defense mechanisms is the thing that
is dangerous.
justification from your previous one. Do you object to dental
anesthetic? Do you endorse oral vaccines such as the one for polio? >>>>>
just mentioned what you do when you put a needle in your body. This
is the purpose of needle (I presume), to bypass your defense mechanism. >>>>> I would to it, with a pine needle, to burst a cyst. But >>>>> other than that, no.
or a toothpick?
Because this was how we always did this.
You think that the world should be sterile, otherwise you are
unable to live in it? I have a surprise for you, the world isn't
sterile, and if you are unable to live in the world as it is, well, too
bad for you.
refrain from stepping out in front of them while wearing a pork chop
around my neck. The world as it is includes steep cliffs, yet I refrain
from walking straight off them just because I'm going in that direction.
I will also point out that vaccines do nothing except introduce antigens
into your blood just like those present in live pathogens. They don't
weaken your immune system. They stimulate it in exactly the same way
those pathogens would. They certainly don't weaken your immune system or
encourage weakness. Just the opposite.
transporting him to the hospital. One of the emergency medics says no, instead they are taking him to the experts in the “comments section”. Priceless. Such idiocy now abounds.
On 5.9.2021. 14:49, Oxyaena wrote:
On 9/2/2021 6:47 PM, *Hemidactylus* wrote:
John Harshman <jharshman@pacbell.net> wrote:
On 9/1/21 11:07 AM, Mario Petrinovic wrote:A recent meme I saw captures it well. EMS is loading a guy in dire
On 1.9.2021. 18:56, John Harshman wrote:That's just nonsensical. The world as it is includes lions, yet I
On 8/31/21 11:48 PM, Mario Petrinovic wrote:
On 1.9.2021. 3:12, John Harshman wrote:Now I'm curious: why a pine needle specifically? Why not a rusty nail >>>>>> or a toothpick?
On 8/31/21 9:30 AM, Mario Petrinovic wrote:No, it isn't about injection, it is about vaccination. I
On 31.8.2021. 17:00, John Harshman wrote:Is this really all about injection? That's a completely different >>>>>>>> justification from your previous one. Do you object to dental
On 8/30/21 7:40 PM, Mario Petrinovic wrote:
On 31.8.2021. 4:39, John Harshman wrote:Yes, and those mRNA vaccines change your DNA and make you
On 8/30/21 7:34 PM, Mario Petrinovic wrote:
On 31.8.2021. 4:18, Mario Petrinovic wrote:I am disinclined to follow any advice you might ever have for >>>>>>>>>>>> me. Fortunately.
On 31.8.2021. 3:01, John Harshman wrote:
On 8/30/21 2:59 PM, Mario Petrinovic wrote:
Vaccinate your babies, and fill up your hospitalsIn contrast to your usual nonsense, this sort of thing is >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> actively dangerous, or would be if you managed to convince >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> anyone of it.
when they grow old.
Grow less and less old, with every new >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> generation.
He, who didn't manage to understand the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Evolution,
after 150 years of the research, he has to get it the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> hard way.
Ah, what can you do.
Jesus Christ.
My advice to you, *never* inject anything into your
body. Injection bypasses all the defense mechanisms, when you >>>>>>>>>>>>> inject something, your body doesn't have a chance to react to >>>>>>>>>>>>> it, you surrendered your body, flat down.
Yes, but bypassing defense mechanisms is the thing
that
is dangerous.
magnetic.
Well, that's your theory.
anesthetic? Do you endorse oral vaccines such as the one for polio? >>>>>>>
just mentioned what you do when you put a needle in your body. This >>>>>>> is the purpose of needle (I presume), to bypass your defense
mechanism.
I would to it, with a pine needle, to burst a cyst. But
other than that, no.
Because this was how we always did this.
You think that the world should be sterile, otherwise you are
unable to live in it? I have a surprise for you, the world isn't
sterile, and if you are unable to live in the world as it is, well,
too
bad for you.
refrain from stepping out in front of them while wearing a pork chop
around my neck. The world as it is includes steep cliffs, yet I refrain >>>> from walking straight off them just because I'm going in that
direction.
I will also point out that vaccines do nothing except introduce
antigens
into your blood just like those present in live pathogens. They don't
weaken your immune system. They stimulate it in exactly the same way
those pathogens would. They certainly don't weaken your immune
system or
encourage weakness. Just the opposite.
need of
medical help on a gurney into an ambulance. He asks if they are
transporting him to the hospital. One of the emergency medics says no,
instead they are taking him to the experts in the “comments section”. >>> Priceless. Such idiocy now abounds.
Careful now, Mario is the server's esteemed resident polymath numero
duo, after the all-knowing mathematician himself. Insults to such an
accomplished figure are severely unwarranted.
Careful with that vaccination, Eugene. https://youtu.be/YtZqNAI4pBk
On 9/2/2021 6:47 PM, *Hemidactylus* wrote:
John Harshman <jharshman@pacbell.net> wrote:
On 9/1/21 11:07 AM, Mario Petrinovic wrote:A recent meme I saw captures it well. EMS is loading a guy in dire
On 1.9.2021. 18:56, John Harshman wrote:That's just nonsensical. The world as it is includes lions, yet I
On 8/31/21 11:48 PM, Mario Petrinovic wrote:
On 1.9.2021. 3:12, John Harshman wrote:Now I'm curious: why a pine needle specifically? Why not a rusty nail >>>>> or a toothpick?
On 8/31/21 9:30 AM, Mario Petrinovic wrote:No, it isn't about injection, it is about vaccination. I
On 31.8.2021. 17:00, John Harshman wrote:Is this really all about injection? That's a completely different >>>>>>> justification from your previous one. Do you object to dental
On 8/30/21 7:40 PM, Mario Petrinovic wrote:
On 31.8.2021. 4:39, John Harshman wrote:Yes, and those mRNA vaccines change your DNA and make you
On 8/30/21 7:34 PM, Mario Petrinovic wrote:
On 31.8.2021. 4:18, Mario Petrinovic wrote:I am disinclined to follow any advice you might ever have for >>>>>>>>>>> me. Fortunately.
On 31.8.2021. 3:01, John Harshman wrote:
On 8/30/21 2:59 PM, Mario Petrinovic wrote:
Vaccinate your babies, and fill up your hospitalsIn contrast to your usual nonsense, this sort of thing is >>>>>>>>>>>>>> actively dangerous, or would be if you managed to convince >>>>>>>>>>>>>> anyone of it.
when they grow old.
Grow less and less old, with every new generation.
He, who didn't manage to understand the Evolution,
after 150 years of the research, he has to get it the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> hard way.
Ah, what can you do.
Jesus Christ.
My advice to you, *never* inject anything into your
body. Injection bypasses all the defense mechanisms, when you >>>>>>>>>>>> inject something, your body doesn't have a chance to react to >>>>>>>>>>>> it, you surrendered your body, flat down.
Yes, but bypassing defense mechanisms is the thing that
is dangerous.
magnetic.
Well, that's your theory.
anesthetic? Do you endorse oral vaccines such as the one for polio? >>>>>>
just mentioned what you do when you put a needle in your body. This >>>>>> is the purpose of needle (I presume), to bypass your defense
mechanism.
I would to it, with a pine needle, to burst a cyst. But
other than that, no.
Because this was how we always did this.
You think that the world should be sterile, otherwise you are
unable to live in it? I have a surprise for you, the world isn't
sterile, and if you are unable to live in the world as it is, well, too >>>> bad for you.
refrain from stepping out in front of them while wearing a pork chop
around my neck. The world as it is includes steep cliffs, yet I refrain
from walking straight off them just because I'm going in that direction. >>>
I will also point out that vaccines do nothing except introduce antigens >>> into your blood just like those present in live pathogens. They don't
weaken your immune system. They stimulate it in exactly the same way
those pathogens would. They certainly don't weaken your immune system or >>> encourage weakness. Just the opposite.
need of
medical help on a gurney into an ambulance. He asks if they are
transporting him to the hospital. One of the emergency medics says no,
instead they are taking him to the experts in the “comments section”.
Priceless. Such idiocy now abounds.
Careful now, Mario is the server's esteemed resident polymath numero
duo, after the all-knowing mathematician himself. Insults to such an accomplished figure are severely unwarranted.
On 9/5/21 2:30 PM, Mario Petrinovic wrote:
On 5.9.2021. 14:49, Oxyaena wrote:Should have said "Careful with that vax", but kudos for the Pink Floyd reference.
On 9/2/2021 6:47 PM, *Hemidactylus* wrote:
John Harshman <jharshman@pacbell.net> wrote:
On 9/1/21 11:07 AM, Mario Petrinovic wrote:A recent meme I saw captures it well. EMS is loading a guy in dire
On 1.9.2021. 18:56, John Harshman wrote:That's just nonsensical. The world as it is includes lions, yet I
On 8/31/21 11:48 PM, Mario Petrinovic wrote:
On 1.9.2021. 3:12, John Harshman wrote:Now I'm curious: why a pine needle specifically? Why not a rusty >>>>>>> nail
On 8/31/21 9:30 AM, Mario Petrinovic wrote:
On 31.8.2021. 17:00, John Harshman wrote:Is this really all about injection? That's a completely different >>>>>>>>> justification from your previous one. Do you object to dental >>>>>>>>> anesthetic? Do you endorse oral vaccines such as the one for >>>>>>>>> polio?
On 8/30/21 7:40 PM, Mario Petrinovic wrote:
On 31.8.2021. 4:39, John Harshman wrote:Yes, and those mRNA vaccines change your DNA and make you >>>>>>>>>>> magnetic.
On 8/30/21 7:34 PM, Mario Petrinovic wrote:
On 31.8.2021. 4:18, Mario Petrinovic wrote:I am disinclined to follow any advice you might ever have for >>>>>>>>>>>>> me. Fortunately.
On 31.8.2021. 3:01, John Harshman wrote:
On 8/30/21 2:59 PM, Mario Petrinovic wrote:
Vaccinate your babies, and fill up your >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> hospitalsIn contrast to your usual nonsense, this sort of thing is >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> actively dangerous, or would be if you managed to convince >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> anyone of it.
when they grow old.
Grow less and less old, with every new >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> generation.
He, who didn't manage to understand the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Evolution,
after 150 years of the research, he has to get it the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> hard way.
Ah, what can you do.
Jesus Christ.
My advice to you, *never* inject anything into your
body. Injection bypasses all the defense mechanisms, when you >>>>>>>>>>>>>> inject something, your body doesn't have a chance to react to >>>>>>>>>>>>>> it, you surrendered your body, flat down.
Yes, but bypassing defense mechanisms is the thing
that
is dangerous.
Well, that's your theory.
No, it isn't about injection, it is about vaccination. I
just mentioned what you do when you put a needle in your body. This >>>>>>>> is the purpose of needle (I presume), to bypass your defense
mechanism.
I would to it, with a pine needle, to burst a cyst. But
other than that, no.
or a toothpick?
Because this was how we always did this.
You think that the world should be sterile, otherwise you
are
unable to live in it? I have a surprise for you, the world isn't
sterile, and if you are unable to live in the world as it is,
well, too
bad for you.
refrain from stepping out in front of them while wearing a pork chop >>>>> around my neck. The world as it is includes steep cliffs, yet I
refrain
from walking straight off them just because I'm going in that
direction.
I will also point out that vaccines do nothing except introduce
antigens
into your blood just like those present in live pathogens. They don't >>>>> weaken your immune system. They stimulate it in exactly the same way >>>>> those pathogens would. They certainly don't weaken your immune
system or
encourage weakness. Just the opposite.
need of
medical help on a gurney into an ambulance. He asks if they are
transporting him to the hospital. One of the emergency medics says no, >>>> instead they are taking him to the experts in the “comments section”. >>>> Priceless. Such idiocy now abounds.
Careful now, Mario is the server's esteemed resident polymath numero
duo, after the all-knowing mathematician himself. Insults to such an
accomplished figure are severely unwarranted.
Careful with that vaccination, Eugene.
https://youtu.be/YtZqNAI4pBk
On 9/2/2021 11:30 AM, erik simpson wrote:
On Wednesday, September 1, 2021 at 9:21:02 PM UTC-7, John Harshman wrote:
To anyone who may be reading this, if indeed there is anyone: I
apologize for poking him. I will stop now.
No apology necessary. But this latest rant he's on confirms to me that he's just a
troll. I still have the probably unjustifiable belief that you can't be that stupid and still
be alive.
I don't know,
one look at Peter proves that one can *indeed* be that
stupid and somehow end up a tenured professor.
On Sunday, September 5, 2021 at 8:51:31 AM UTC-4, Oxyaena wrote:
On 9/2/2021 11:30 AM, erik simpson wrote:
On Wednesday, September 1, 2021 at 9:21:02 PM UTC-7, John Harshman wrote:
I've snipped a bunch of things that I will have to reprimand Mario about,
On 1.9.2021. 22:56, John Harshman wrote:
On 9/1/21 11:07 AM, Mario Petrinovic wrote:
On 1.9.2021. 18:56, John Harshman wrote:
On 8/31/21 11:48 PM, Mario Petrinovic wrote:
On 1.9.2021. 3:12, John Harshman wrote:
Is this really all about injection? That's a completely differentNo, it isn't about injection, it is about vaccination. I
justification from your previous one. Do you object to dental
anesthetic? Do you endorse oral vaccines such as the one for polio? >>>>
just mentioned what you do when you put a needle in your body. This
is the purpose of needle (I presume), to bypass your defense mechanism.
I will also point out that vaccines do nothing except introduce antigens into your blood just like those present in live pathogens. They don't weaken your immune system. They stimulate it in exactly the same way
those pathogens would. They certainly don't weaken your immune system or encourage weakness. Just the opposite.
And, regarding vaccination, your analogy is excellent. Vaccination
introduces antigens into your blood, that work "just like" the real
things. Like a boxer, who is using a boxing bag to train and be strong.
Well, I have news for you, boxing bag isn't enough. It *has to be* a
live opponent.
I mean, all the newest research show that the problem with Covid-19 is
in our immune system, not in virus. It is used to boxing bags, not to
the real things. Boxing bags don't fight back.
They say that somebody who was ill and not vaccinated, and survived,
has 7 times better immunity than the one who was vaccinated.
I mean, there is a reason for it. It is hard to prove the reason.
Scientists behave like they are idiots, if it isn't proven, it doesn't happen.
And this is the problem with vaccination. Our immune system fights diseases guided by a vaccine. This makes him less fit. Because we
all will be less fit, we all will die if we continue to use vaccination.
This Covid-19 thing is just the first glimpse of the shape of things to
come. It'll be worse and worse, this is just the first glimpse.
On Wednesday, September 1, 2021 at 11:47:13 PM UTC-4, Mario Petrinovic wrote:
On 1.9.2021. 22:56, John Harshman wrote:
On 9/1/21 11:07 AM, Mario Petrinovic wrote:
On 1.9.2021. 18:56, John Harshman wrote:
On 8/31/21 11:48 PM, Mario Petrinovic wrote:
On 1.9.2021. 3:12, John Harshman wrote:
Is this really all about injection? That's a completely different >>>>>>> justification from your previous one. Do you object to dentalNo, it isn't about injection, it is about vaccination. I
anesthetic? Do you endorse oral vaccines such as the one for polio? >>>>>>
just mentioned what you do when you put a needle in your body. This >>>>>> is the purpose of needle (I presume), to bypass your defense mechanism.
Wrong, Mario. It is to give your defense mechanism more of
a sporting chance. Please read far enough to see what I mean by this.
I will also point out that vaccines do nothing except introduce antigens >>> into your blood just like those present in live pathogens. They don't
weaken your immune system. They stimulate it in exactly the same way
those pathogens would. They certainly don't weaken your immune system or >>> encourage weakness. Just the opposite.
Harshman was being very sensible here, Mario, but you seem to have
lost sight of his main point.
And, regarding vaccination, your analogy is excellent. Vaccination
introduces antigens into your blood, that work "just like" the real
things. Like a boxer, who is using a boxing bag to train and be strong.
WRONG! It is like a boxer, working out with a sparring partner when
training to fight someone whose tactics the sparring partner can
train him to counteract.
Well, I have news for you, boxing bag isn't enough. It *has to be* a
live opponent.
You have completely missed the point.
Vaccination is exactly like admitting a sparring partner into your gym
who is superb at imitating the professional whom it would be terribly risky to fight without plenty of training. Only, except in rare cases, your vaccine "sparring partner"
knows better than to deal blows that could hurt you badly.
Is that what you are really afraid of, that an anti-Covid-2 vaccine is more likely
to hurt you, and to hurt you worse, than an invasion of SARS-CoV-2 viruses that your immune system hasn't got the any antibodies for?
This is contrary to all experience. Yes, you could have adverse effects; one secretary who got the Moderna vaccine said she felt as though her arm would fall off after the first dose. But it only lasted for a few days, and the second dose
wasn't nearly as bad.
It's like hiring a sparring partner who needs some experience to figure out how to spar with you without you hurting yourself. For instance, you might get a bloody nose
by moving your head the wrong way when the two of you go into a clinch.
But he'll show you the right way to clinch if you are patient.
And it is nothing like the permanent damage to your lungs or liver you
could get from Covid-19. You can read about some of the grisly possibilities here,
as well as the jarring statistic you can read already from the url (95 means 95%):
https://theconversation.com/at-my-hospital-over-95-of-covid-19-patients-share-one-thing-in-common-theyre-unvaccinated-166708#_=_
I mean, all the newest research show that the problem with Covid-19 is
in our immune system, not in virus. It is used to boxing bags, not to
the real things. Boxing bags don't fight back.
You are on the right track, but you aren't connecting the dots sufficiently. A vaccine is not at all like a boxing bag. I hope I've made that clear.
And please take the following to heart. Without prior exposure to the coronavirus,
you are unlikely to have any antibodies that protect you from it, and your immune
system has no memory that a prior exposure gives of what kinds of antibodies to crank out.
And so, it has to figure out by trial and error when the virus invades. And while
it is figuring it out, the virus multiplies fast enough to be in a good position
to overwhelm your system before enough antibodies can be produced.
They say that somebody who was ill and not vaccinated, and survived,
has 7 times better immunity than the one who was vaccinated.
But please, note that he also could suffer terrible physical damage even if he survived. Fat lot of good any immunity will do him if he is an invalid for the rest of his life.
I mean, there is a reason for it. It is hard to prove the reason.
Yes, "They say" just doesn't cut it.
Scientists behave like they are idiots, if it isn't proven, it doesn't happen.
Do NOT confuse Harshman, the only one here with a degree in biology [although I suspect Pandora has one and is a far better scientist than Harshman] with
a scientist who hasn't forgotten how to teach adults.
Harshman has been spoiled rotten by the other people I've named up there,
and others like them, and also fans who know even less than they do,
into thinking that a few well chosen words by him -- and the ones up there WERE
well chosen -- should work magic in the minds of the people who read them.
If they don't, he figures it's their fault.
On Sunday, September 5, 2021 at 8:51:31 AM UTC-4, Oxyaena wrote:
On 9/2/2021 11:30 AM, erik simpson wrote:
On Wednesday, September 1, 2021 at 9:21:02 PM UTC-7, John Harshman wrote:
I've snipped a bunch of things that I will have to reprimand Mario about,
but first, I need to defend my reputation, because no one -- not even Mario --
will do it for me, whereas there are several who are still willing to defend the
reputation of Oxyaena/Thrinaxodon.
To anyone who may be reading this, if indeed there is anyone: I
apologize for poking him. I will stop now.
No apology necessary. But this latest rant he's on confirms to me that he's just a
troll. I still have the probably unjustifiable belief that you can't be that stupid and still
be alive.
I don't know,
Thrinaxodon/Oxyaena knows, but finds it much more rewarding to be loved
by people named below for pretending otherwise:
one look at Peter proves that one can *indeed* be that
stupid and somehow end up a tenured professor.
Of course, Oxyaena/Thrinaxodon knows better than to tell anyone
what, if anything, "that stupid" refers to: it would ruin the whole effect.
One look at the posting history of Thrinaxodon, having tried for six years to reinvent herself as Oxyaena,
shows how a dog returns to his/her vomit at last.
And Thrinaxodon/Oxyaena can do it as long as 'e wants,
because Harshman, Simpson, Hemidactylus,
Mark Issaak, jillery, and others who show up too infrequently on sci.bio.paleontology to be worth
mentioning, can be counted on to play "see no evil, hear no evil, speak no evil" about that vomit.
The most you will ever see is the way Harshman played "good cop" to "bad cop" Oxyaena,
when the latter puked all over me for not knowing about a Mesozoic gliding mammal,
saying that one shouldn't be so nasty right off the bat to "even someone like Peter."
Harshman exited the thread when Oxyaena proved to be too hatefully incorrigible,
and so he missed how I later discovered the thread and admitted to my carelessness
in not having specified "Cenozoic gliding mammal".
To my mind it was clear from the way bat ancestry was the theme, and no gliding mammals
have been found among fossils within the whole of Eutheria, let alone the crown group Placentalia,
before modern bats are found in the fossil record.
Eutheria split off from Metatheria (marsupials and kin) well back in the Cretaceous, so "Cenozoic"
was understating the case, but there was no need for overkill.
I wonder whether this incident was what Oxyaena had in mind when writing "that stupid." The way
'e kept referring to me as "Professor Asshat" on that thread, it is certainly possible.
Peter Nyikos
Professor, Dept. of Mathematics -- standard disclaimer--
University of South Carolina
http://people.math.sc.edu/nyikos
On 7.9.2021. 3:32, Peter Nyikos wrote:
On Wednesday, September 1, 2021 at 11:47:13 PM UTC-4, Mario Petrinovic
wrote:
On 1.9.2021. 22:56, John Harshman wrote:
On 9/1/21 11:07 AM, Mario Petrinovic wrote:
On 1.9.2021. 18:56, John Harshman wrote:
On 8/31/21 11:48 PM, Mario Petrinovic wrote:
On 1.9.2021. 3:12, John Harshman wrote:
Is this really all about injection? That's a completely different >>>>>>>> justification from your previous one. Do you object to dentalNo, it isn't about injection, it is about vaccination. I
anesthetic? Do you endorse oral vaccines such as the one for polio? >>>>>>>
just mentioned what you do when you put a needle in your body. This >>>>>>> is the purpose of needle (I presume), to bypass your defense
mechanism.
Wrong, Mario. It is to give your defense mechanism more of
a sporting chance. Please read far enough to see what I mean by this.
Well, why we don't swallow it, or inhale? Because in that case,
our body would process it, wouldn't it? And spit it out. Our body
controls our inhalation and what we swallow.
I will also point out that vaccines do nothing except introduce
antigens
into your blood just like those present in live pathogens. They don't
weaken your immune system. They stimulate it in exactly the same way
those pathogens would. They certainly don't weaken your immune
system or
encourage weakness. Just the opposite.
Harshman was being very sensible here, Mario, but you seem to have
lost sight of his main point.
And, regarding vaccination, your analogy is excellent. Vaccination
introduces antigens into your blood, that work "just like" the real
things. Like a boxer, who is using a boxing bag to train and be strong.
WRONG! It is like a boxer, working out with a sparring partner when
training to fight someone whose tactics the sparring partner can
train him to counteract.
WRONG! I mean, those things are LEGO cubes, aren't they? You say that we created something that is alive, and with its own mind, and everything? No, we didn't. I very much doubt. And that we "programmed"
it to work like the "real thing". So, why don't you create a sparring
partner for a boxer to train, instead using a live humans?
Well, I have news for you, boxing bag isn't enough. It *has to be* a
live opponent.
You have completely missed the point.
Vaccination is exactly like admitting a sparring partner into your gym
who is superb at imitating the professional whom it would be terribly
risky
to fight without plenty of training. Only, except in rare cases, your
vaccine "sparring partner"
knows better than to deal blows that could hurt you badly.
Hm, in somebody's dreams.
Is that what you are really afraid of, that an anti-Covid-2 vaccine is
more likely
to hurt you, and to hurt you worse, than an invasion of SARS-CoV-2
viruses
that your immune system hasn't got the any antibodies for?
Not at all (it is you who missed the point). I explained it in
detail, I am claiming that our immune system will become worse, less
agile and it will be disoriented, if vaccination "helps" him to work.
Just like I mentioned cars that "help" us to walk.
This is contrary to all experience. Yes, you could have adverse
effects; one
secretary who got the Moderna vaccine said she felt as though her arm
would
fall off after the first dose. But it only lasted for a few days, and
the second dose
wasn't nearly as bad.
It's like hiring a sparring partner who needs some experience to
figure out
how to spar with you without you hurting yourself. For instance, you
might get a bloody nose
by moving your head the wrong way when the two of you go into a clinch.
But he'll show you the right way to clinch if you are patient.
No, it is nothing like that. It is like using robots to be sparring partners. They will never be good enough. And, by saying this,
I was more than generous in comparing robots to this thing.
And it is nothing like the permanent damage to your lungs or liver you
could get from Covid-19. You can read about some of the grisly
possibilities here,
as well as the jarring statistic you can read already from the url (95
means 95%):
https://theconversation.com/at-my-hospital-over-95-of-covid-19-patients-share-one-thing-in-common-theyre-unvaccinated-166708#_=_
I don't know people, do you read at all, about Covid-19 illness? It is NOT caused by the virus. It is that, weak organisms are destroyed by our immune system that lost its calibration.
See, you have short people, you have tall people. But, you don't have people 2 miles high, nor you have people 2 millimeters short. There are some proportions, and some buffer zone for variations, that is embedded in us. All humans are between 0.5 meters and 3 meters.
And the same goes for everything. This is how things work, things don't behave like they are mad. But, our immune system blew up
those proportions, and inflict our bodies too hard. If organism is too
weak, it will not withstand that pressure. And exactly this is what is happening, weak organisms die because our immune system is working too
hard. Virus isn't the problem at all, it is the not-adjusted work of our immune system that is the problem. Our immune system isn't sure,
anymore, how hard it should work. It is confused, it is disoriented.
I mean, all the newest research show that the problem with Covid-19 is
in our immune system, not in virus. It is used to boxing bags, not to
the real things. Boxing bags don't fight back.
You are on the right track, but you aren't connecting the dots
sufficiently.
A vaccine is not at all like a boxing bag. I hope I've made that clear.
No, you didn't. You are under the impression that humans managed to create some Supermen that fights viruses. No, humans didn't
manage to create in few months something that nature spent 4 billion
years to create. Forget it.
Scientists created only some vague fake thing, nothing more, the most rough thing you can imagine. What do you think is inside this needle? Some generic crap, that happens to help somehow, nobody knows *exactly* how. Because nobody knows *exactly* what is happening inside.
Some guy, 100 years ago, used some dead virus, injected it, and it
happened that it works, somehow. And that's about it, no Supermen from movies, or from Star Trek series.
A car is far more sophisticated than vaccine. Because you can see it, you can understand the forces, you know what it needs to do, you design it in tune with that knowledge. The design of vaccination is
nothing like that. Nobody knows what exactly it is doing, will it be
good for pregnant women, will it affect those below the age of 16,
everybody is extremely cautious, because nobody knows what is, actually, going on?
And please take the following to heart. Without prior exposure to the
coronavirus,
you are unlikely to have any antibodies that protect you from it, and
your immune
system has no memory that a prior exposure gives of what kinds of
antibodies
to crank out.
And so, it has to figure out by trial and error when the virus
invades. And while
it is figuring it out, the virus multiplies fast enough to be in a
good position
to overwhelm your system before enough antibodies can be produced.
Hm, strangely, young people have everything that is necessary,
for them this is only a mild thing.
They say that somebody who was ill and not vaccinated, and survived,
has 7 times better immunity than the one who was vaccinated.
But please, note that he also could suffer terrible physical damage
even if
he survived. Fat lot of good any immunity will do him if he is an
invalid for the rest of his life.
Of course. He can die, if he isn't fit. The fittest survive, anybody of you ever gone to school, learning the basics of biology?
And this is the problem with vaccination. Our immune system fights diseases guided by a vaccine. This makes him less fit. Because we
all will be less fit, we all will die if we continue to use vaccination.
This Covid-19 thing is just the first glimpse of the shape of things to
come. It'll be worse and worse, this is just the first glimpse.
I mean, there is a reason for it. It is hard to prove the reason.
Yes, "They say" just doesn't cut it.
On Wednesday, September 1, 2021 at 11:47:13 PM UTC-4, Mario Petrinovic wrote:
On 1.9.2021. 22:56, John Harshman wrote:
On 9/1/21 11:07 AM, Mario Petrinovic wrote:
On 1.9.2021. 18:56, John Harshman wrote:
On 8/31/21 11:48 PM, Mario Petrinovic wrote:
On 1.9.2021. 3:12, John Harshman wrote:
Is this really all about injection? That's a completely different >>>>>>> justification from your previous one. Do you object to dentalNo, it isn't about injection, it is about vaccination. I
anesthetic? Do you endorse oral vaccines such as the one for polio? >>>>>>
just mentioned what you do when you put a needle in your body. This >>>>>> is the purpose of needle (I presume), to bypass your defense mechanism.
Wrong, Mario. It is to give your defense mechanism more of
a sporting chance. Please read far enough to see what I mean by this.
<snip for focus>
I will also point out that vaccines do nothing except introduce antigens >>> into your blood just like those present in live pathogens. They don't
weaken your immune system. They stimulate it in exactly the same way
those pathogens would. They certainly don't weaken your immune system or >>> encourage weakness. Just the opposite.
Harshman was being very sensible here, Mario, but you seem to have
lost sight of his main point.
<snip for focus>
And, regarding vaccination, your analogy is excellent. Vaccination
introduces antigens into your blood, that work "just like" the real
things. Like a boxer, who is using a boxing bag to train and be strong.
WRONG! It is like a boxer, working out with a sparring partner when
training to fight someone whose tactics the sparring partner can
train him to counteract.
Well, I have news for you, boxing bag isn't enough. It *has to be* a
live opponent.
You have completely missed the point.
Vaccination is exactly like admitting a sparring partner into your gym
who is superb at imitating the professional whom it would be terribly risky to fight without plenty of training. Only, except in rare cases, your vaccine "sparring partner"
knows better than to deal blows that could hurt you badly.
Is that what you are really afraid of, that an anti-Covid-2 vaccine is more likely
to hurt you, and to hurt you worse, than an invasion of SARS-CoV-2 viruses that your immune system hasn't got the any antibodies for?
This is contrary to all experience. Yes, you could have adverse effects; one secretary who got the Moderna vaccine said she felt as though her arm would fall off after the first dose. But it only lasted for a few days, and the second dose
wasn't nearly as bad.
It's like hiring a sparring partner who needs some experience to figure out how to spar with you without you hurting yourself. For instance, you might get a bloody nose
by moving your head the wrong way when the two of you go into a clinch.
But he'll show you the right way to clinch if you are patient.
And it is nothing like the permanent damage to your lungs or liver you
could get from Covid-19. You can read about some of the grisly possibilities here,
as well as the jarring statistic you can read already from the url (95 means 95%):
https://theconversation.com/at-my-hospital-over-95-of-covid-19-patients-share-one-thing-in-common-theyre-unvaccinated-166708#_=_
I mean, all the newest research show that the problem with Covid-19 is
in our immune system, not in virus. It is used to boxing bags, not to
the real things. Boxing bags don't fight back.
You are on the right track, but you aren't connecting the dots sufficiently. A vaccine is not at all like a boxing bag. I hope I've made that clear.
And please take the following to heart. Without prior exposure to the coronavirus,
you are unlikely to have any antibodies that protect you from it, and your immune
system has no memory that a prior exposure gives of what kinds of antibodies to crank out.
And so, it has to figure out by trial and error when the virus invades. And while
it is figuring it out, the virus multiplies fast enough to be in a good position
to overwhelm your system before enough antibodies can be produced.
They say that somebody who was ill and not vaccinated, and survived,
has 7 times better immunity than the one who was vaccinated.
But please, note that he also could suffer terrible physical damage even if he survived. Fat lot of good any immunity will do him if he is an invalid for the rest of his life.
I mean, there is a reason for it. It is hard to prove the reason.
Yes, "They say" just doesn't cut it.
Scientists behave like they are idiots, if it isn't proven, it doesn't happen.
Do NOT confuse Harshman, the only one here with a degree in biology [although I suspect Pandora has one and is a far better scientist than Harshman] with
a scientist who hasn't forgotten how to teach adults.
Harshman has been spoiled rotten by the other people I've named up there,
and others like them, and also fans who know even less than they do,
into thinking that a few well chosen words by him -- and the ones up there WERE
well chosen -- should work magic in the minds of the people who read them.
If they don't, he figures it's their fault.
On 7.9.2021. 3:32, Peter Nyikos wrote:
On Wednesday, September 1, 2021 at 11:47:13 PM UTC-4, Mario Petrinovic wrote:
On 1.9.2021. 22:56, John Harshman wrote:
On 9/1/21 11:07 AM, Mario Petrinovic wrote:
On 1.9.2021. 18:56, John Harshman wrote:
On 8/31/21 11:48 PM, Mario Petrinovic wrote:
On 1.9.2021. 3:12, John Harshman wrote:
Is this really all about injection? That's a completely different >>>>>>> justification from your previous one. Do you object to dentalNo, it isn't about injection, it is about vaccination. I
anesthetic? Do you endorse oral vaccines such as the one for polio? >>>>>>
just mentioned what you do when you put a needle in your body. This >>>>>> is the purpose of needle (I presume), to bypass your defense mechanism.
Wrong, Mario. It is to give your defense mechanism more of
a sporting chance. Please read far enough to see what I mean by this.
Well, why we don't swallow it, or inhale?
Because in that case, our
body would process it, wouldn't it?
And spit it out. Our body controls
our inhalation and what we swallow.
I will also point out that vaccines do nothing except introduce antigens >>> into your blood just like those present in live pathogens. They don't
weaken your immune system. They stimulate it in exactly the same way
those pathogens would. They certainly don't weaken your immune system or >>> encourage weakness. Just the opposite.
Harshman was being very sensible here, Mario, but you seem to have
lost sight of his main point.
And, regarding vaccination, your analogy is excellent. Vaccination
introduces antigens into your blood, that work "just like" the real
things. Like a boxer, who is using a boxing bag to train and be strong.
WRONG! It is like a boxer, working out with a sparring partner when training to fight someone whose tactics the sparring partner can
train him to counteract.
WRONG! I mean, those things are LEGO cubes, aren't they?
You say that we created something that is alive, and with its own mind, and everything?
No, we didn't. I very much doubt.
And that we "programmed"
it to work like the "real thing".
So, why don't you create a sparring
partner for a boxer to train, instead using a live humans?
Harshman and Oxyaena and Simpson are rotten role models, but you seem
to be emulating them here. What follows is more of the same:
He is a troll a great deal of the time himself, but as the old half-truth says,
"It takes one to know one."
It will be interesting to see his reaction, if any, to THIS post.
On 9/7/21 6:12 AM, Peter Nyikos wrote:
Harshman and Oxyaena and Simpson are rotten role models, but you seem
to be emulating them here. What follows is more of the same:
It will be interesting to see his reaction, if any, to THIS post.
Well, at least that served some kind of purpose and wasn't an insult. My reaction is that your comments on vaccines were on topic and largely
correct.
Mario will not be budged. It would help (well, no, nothing would actually help)
to illuminate more of his inconsistencies.
For example, he opposed injected vaccines and asked why they aren't swallowed, but in fact he opposes oral vaccines too, so that entire
argument was a distraction, probably made up on the spur of the moment,
and without regard to coherence. At such times he does assume a trollish aspect.
On 7.9.2021. 3:32, Peter Nyikos wrote:
On Wednesday, September 1, 2021 at 11:47:13 PM UTC-4, Mario Petrinovic wrote:
On 1.9.2021. 22:56, John Harshman wrote:
And it is nothing like the permanent damage to your lungs or liver you could get from Covid-19. You can read about some of the grisly possibilities here,
as well as the jarring statistic you can read already from the url (95 means 95%):
https://theconversation.com/at-my-hospital-over-95-of-covid-19-patients-share-one-thing-in-common-theyre-unvaccinated-166708#_=_
I don't know people, do you read at all, about Covid-19 illness?
It is NOT caused by the virus.
It is that, weak organisms are destroyed by our
immune system that lost its calibration.
No, you didn't. You are under the impression that humans managed to
create some Supermen that fights viruses.
They say that somebody who was ill and not vaccinated, and survived,
has 7 times better immunity than the one who was vaccinated.
But please, note that he also could suffer terrible physical damage even if he survived. Fat lot of good any immunity will do him if he is an invalid for the rest of his life.
Of course. He can die, if he isn't fit. The fittest survive, anybody
of you ever gone to school, learning the basics of biology?
On 9/6/21 7:51 PM, Mario Petrinovic wrote:
On 7.9.2021. 3:32, Peter Nyikos wrote:
On Wednesday, September 1, 2021 at 11:47:13 PM UTC-4, Mario
Petrinovic wrote:
On 1.9.2021. 22:56, John Harshman wrote:
On 9/1/21 11:07 AM, Mario Petrinovic wrote:
On 1.9.2021. 18:56, John Harshman wrote:
On 8/31/21 11:48 PM, Mario Petrinovic wrote:
On 1.9.2021. 3:12, John Harshman wrote:
Is this really all about injection? That's a completely different >>>>>>>>> justification from your previous one. Do you object to dental >>>>>>>>> anesthetic? Do you endorse oral vaccines such as the one for >>>>>>>>> polio?
No, it isn't about injection, it is about vaccination. I
just mentioned what you do when you put a needle in your body. This >>>>>>>> is the purpose of needle (I presume), to bypass your defense
mechanism.
Wrong, Mario. It is to give your defense mechanism more of
a sporting chance. Please read far enough to see what I mean by this.
Well, why we don't swallow it, or inhale? Because in that >> case, our body would process it, wouldn't it? And spit it out. Our
body controls our inhalation and what we swallow.
But you've also said that you disapprove of oral vaccines too. Try to
keep your story straight.
I will also point out that vaccines do nothing except introduce
antigens
into your blood just like those present in live pathogens. They don't >>>>> weaken your immune system. They stimulate it in exactly the same way >>>>> those pathogens would. They certainly don't weaken your immune
system or
encourage weakness. Just the opposite.
Harshman was being very sensible here, Mario, but you seem to have
lost sight of his main point.
And, regarding vaccination, your analogy is excellent. VaccinationWRONG! It is like a boxer, working out with a sparring partner when
introduces antigens into your blood, that work "just like" the real
things. Like a boxer, who is using a boxing bag to train and be strong. >>>
training to fight someone whose tactics the sparring partner can
train him to counteract.
WRONG! I mean, those things are LEGO cubes, aren't they? You
say that we created something that is alive, and with its own mind,
and everything? No, we didn't. I very much doubt. And that we
"programmed" it to work like the "real thing". So, why don't you
create a sparring partner for a boxer to train, instead using a live
humans?
All analogies break down. This one breaks down sooner than many. But you
did completely miss its point. It's not the fact that the analogical
sparring partner is alive with his own mind that counts. It's that he
teaches you how to fight a deadly opponent. And "teaches" is another
poor analogy. You (your immune system) just learns from the example. ("Learns" is also a metaphor, of course.)
And your immune system gets nothing from a live virus that it doesn't
get from the spike protein alone.
Well, I have news for you, boxing bag isn't enough. It *has to be* a
live opponent.
You have completely missed the point.
Vaccination is exactly like admitting a sparring partner into your gym
who is superb at imitating the professional whom it would be terribly
risky
to fight without plenty of training. Only, except in rare cases, your
vaccine "sparring partner"
knows better than to deal blows that could hurt you badly.
Hm, in somebody's dreams.
Is that what you are really afraid of, that an anti-Covid-2 vaccine
is more likely
to hurt you, and to hurt you worse, than an invasion of SARS-CoV-2
viruses
that your immune system hasn't got the any antibodies for?
Not at all (it is you who missed the point). I explained it >> in detail, I am claiming that our immune system will become worse,
less agile and it will be disoriented, if vaccination "helps" him to
work. Just like I mentioned cars that "help" us to walk.
That's a strong claim. But what backs it up? "Agile" and "disoriented"
are more bad metaphors. How does responding to an antigen weaken the
immune system?
This is contrary to all experience. Yes, you could have adverse
effects; one
secretary who got the Moderna vaccine said she felt as though her arm
would
fall off after the first dose. But it only lasted for a few days, and
the second dose
wasn't nearly as bad.
It's like hiring a sparring partner who needs some experience to
figure out
how to spar with you without you hurting yourself. For instance, you
might get a bloody nose
by moving your head the wrong way when the two of you go into a clinch.
But he'll show you the right way to clinch if you are patient.
No, it is nothing like that. It is like using robots to be >> sparring partners. They will never be good enough. And, by saying
this, I was more than generous in comparing robots to this thing.
You are lost in analogies. Instead you should consider the actual system.
And it is nothing like the permanent damage to your lungs or liver you
could get from Covid-19. You can read about some of the grisly
possibilities here,
as well as the jarring statistic you can read already from the url
(95 means 95%):
https://theconversation.com/at-my-hospital-over-95-of-covid-19-patients-share-one-thing-in-common-theyre-unvaccinated-166708#_=_
I don't know people, do you read at all, about Covid-19
illness? It is NOT caused by the virus. It is that, weak organisms are
destroyed by our immune system that lost its calibration.
See, you have short people, you have tall people. But, you >> don't have people 2 miles high, nor you have people 2 millimeters
short. There are some proportions, and some buffer zone for
variations, that is embedded in us. All humans are between 0.5 meters
and 3 meters.
And the same goes for everything. This is how things work, >> things don't behave like they are mad. But, our immune system blew up
those proportions, and inflict our bodies too hard. If organism is too
weak, it will not withstand that pressure. And exactly this is what is
happening, weak organisms die because our immune system is working too
hard. Virus isn't the problem at all, it is the not-adjusted work of
our immune system that is the problem. Our immune system isn't sure,
anymore, how hard it should work. It is confused, it is disoriented.
Please provide support for this odd contention from the peer-reviewed scientific literature, which doesn't include some comment you read on
some random web site.
I mean, all the newest research show that the problem with Covid-19 is >>>> in our immune system, not in virus. It is used to boxing bags, not to
the real things. Boxing bags don't fight back.
You are on the right track, but you aren't connecting the dots
sufficiently.
A vaccine is not at all like a boxing bag. I hope I've made that clear.
No, you didn't. You are under the impression that humans
managed to create some Supermen that fights viruses. No, humans didn't
manage to create in few months something that nature spent 4 billion
years to create. Forget it.
Scientists created only some vague fake thing, nothing more,
the most rough thing you can imagine. What do you think is inside this
needle? Some generic crap, that happens to help somehow, nobody knows
*exactly* how. Because nobody knows *exactly* what is happening
inside. Some guy, 100 years ago, used some dead virus, injected it,
and it happened that it works, somehow. And that's about it, no
Supermen from movies, or from Star Trek series.
This isn't true. We know exactly how vaccines work. And covid vaccines contain either spike proteins or mRNAs that are translated to produce
spike proteins.
A car is far more sophisticated than vaccine. Because you can
see it, you can understand the forces, you know what it needs to do,
you design it in tune with that knowledge. The design of vaccination
is nothing like that. Nobody knows what exactly it is doing, will it
be good for pregnant women, will it affect those below the age of 16,
everybody is extremely cautious, because nobody knows what is,
actually, going on?
And please take the following to heart. Without prior exposure to the
coronavirus,
you are unlikely to have any antibodies that protect you from it, and
your immune
system has no memory that a prior exposure gives of what kinds of
antibodies
to crank out.
And so, it has to figure out by trial and error when the virus
invades. And while
it is figuring it out, the virus multiplies fast enough to be in a
good position
to overwhelm your system before enough antibodies can be produced.
Hm, strangely, young people have everything that is
necessary, for them this is only a mild thing.
Not any more.
They say that somebody who was ill and not vaccinated, and survived,
has 7 times better immunity than the one who was vaccinated.
But please, note that he also could suffer terrible physical damage
even if
he survived. Fat lot of good any immunity will do him if he is an
invalid for the rest of his life.
Of course. He can die, if he isn't fit. The fittest survive,
anybody of you ever gone to school, learning the basics of biology?
And this is the problem with vaccination. Our immune system >> fights diseases guided by a vaccine. This makes him less fit. Because
we all will be less fit, we all will die if we continue to use
vaccination. This Covid-19 thing is just the first glimpse of the
shape of things to come. It'll be worse and worse, this is just the
first glimpse.
You haven't explained how vaccines make you less fit.
I mean, there is a reason for it. It is hard to prove the reason.
Yes, "They say" just doesn't cut it.
Peter is asking you to support your claim. You ignored him. Why?
On Tuesday, September 7, 2021 at 9:34:07 AM UTC-4, John Harshman wrote:
On 9/7/21 6:12 AM, Peter Nyikos wrote:
Harshman and Oxyaena and Simpson are rotten role models, but you seem
to be emulating them here. What follows is more of the same:
<snip of self-and-Simpson-and-Oxyaena-serving comments by yourself>
It will be interesting to see his reaction, if any, to THIS post.
Well, at least that served some kind of purpose and wasn't an insult. My
reaction is that your comments on vaccines were on topic and largely
correct.
I think they were more correct in some places than yours. What makes you think that the
following is true?
"And your immune system gets nothing from a live virus that it doesn't
get from the spike protein alone."
This was from your parallel reply to Mario. I do not understand what you mean by
"gets nothing." Do you imagine that whole of the damage wrought by
Covid-19 is due to the spike protein alone? [1] or that the only antibodies the body
produces against the live virus are targeted at the spike protein and no other
part of the virus?
[1] That would be grist for the mill of the anti-vaxxers who focus the greatest of their ire
on mRNA vaccines. Of course, they would be under the spell of the most toxic piece of disinformation of all, that the mRNA would multiply and spread over all of your
cells, but they will gladly take any crumb of support that comes their way, even from
anti-anti-vaxxers like you and me.
Mario will not be budged. It would help (well, no, nothing would actually help)
to illuminate more of his inconsistencies.
I intend to do so in any case, and also to show how mistaken he is about
some pretty important things that you didn't try to show him being mistaken about.
Let me be the judge of whether it helps or not.
For example, he opposed injected vaccines and asked why they aren't
swallowed, but in fact he opposes oral vaccines too, so that entire
argument was a distraction, probably made up on the spur of the moment,
and without regard to coherence. At such times he does assume a trollish
aspect.
Did you bother to read what I wrote about the very thing you are talking about here?
It was specifically designed to see whether he keeps sliding down the slippery slope
or whether he sobers up and tries to get back on track. General comments like yours above do not tend to impose such choices on the people they are designed
to nudge in the right direction.
Mario, of course, might choose the wrong direction, but he is not such a known
quantity to me as you and two others that I named are -- the two others whose names I have put into a hyphenated phrase at the top.
I am still trying to get the hang of Mario's *modus operandi*, hence all the trouble to which I am going for him.
I am short on time, so in this second reply I can only spare the time for three isolated
issues where you seem to imagine that you know a lot more than I do.
On Monday, September 6, 2021 at 10:51:58 PM UTC-4, Mario Petrinovic wrote:
On 7.9.2021. 3:32, Peter Nyikos wrote:
On Wednesday, September 1, 2021 at 11:47:13 PM UTC-4, Mario Petrinovic wrote:
On 1.9.2021. 22:56, John Harshman wrote:
And it is nothing like the permanent damage to your lungs or liver you
could get from Covid-19. You can read about some of the grisly possibilities here,
as well as the jarring statistic you can read already from the url (95 means 95%):
https://theconversation.com/at-my-hospital-over-95-of-covid-19-patients-share-one-thing-in-common-theyre-unvaccinated-166708#_=_
I don't know people, do you read at all, about Covid-19 illness?
Do you? it seems that you have totally ignored the very title of the long and hard-hitting article that I have linked for you. Obviously, you never read it.
It is NOT caused by the virus.
Is your authority for this the usual "They say"? What makes you think that you haven't been duped by anti-vaxxer propaganda?
Is it that, as you were growing up, you realized that what the Communist government
issued was full of lies, and uncritically believed everything that was critical of the government
and widely asserted in the places you happen to have heard or read?
And now you've carried this attitude over to all governments?
It is that, weak organisms are destroyed by our
immune system that lost its calibration.
Be that as it may, I hope you realize that you are putting yourself at risk by not getting vaccinated.
Don't imagine that you would be doing future generations a disservice by getting vaccinated.
You said yourself that you are beyond the age of sexual indulgence.
No, you didn't. You are under the impression that humans managed to
create some Supermen that fights viruses.
This is a complete falsehood. I never said anything of the sort.
<snip for focus>
They say that somebody who was ill and not vaccinated, and survived,
has 7 times better immunity than the one who was vaccinated.
But please, note that he also could suffer terrible physical damage even if >>> he survived. Fat lot of good any immunity will do him if he is an invalid for the rest of his life.
Of course. He can die, if he isn't fit. The fittest survive, anybody
of you ever gone to school, learning the basics of biology?
I have, but it looks like you haven't: "survival of the fittest" is not a biological expression.
It was coined by the non-biologist Herbert Spencer, who invented "social darwinism",
one of whose worst expressions was the Nazi pseudoscience of a "Master Race."
[By the way, was this pseudoscience the inspiration for "Supermen that fights viruses"?]
The only way biologists use the term "the fittest survive" is by way of the barren tautology:
the fittest are, BY DEFINITION, the ones that survive to pass their genes on to the population.
It says NOTHING about what kinds of anatomical, or whatever, traits are more fit than others.
The Nazis thought they knew, but biologists worthy of the name do not think that way.
Except in the most obvious cases, they know better than to try and judge that some trait
is more fit than another. A great deal depends on the environment, which is too unpredictable.
In the last ice age there were gray kangaroos ten feet tall, because the environment favored
large size; today the same species only has six foot tall kangaroos, because that is what
the environment favors.
On 9/7/21 7:58 AM, Peter Nyikos wrote:
On Tuesday, September 7, 2021 at 9:34:07 AM UTC-4, John Harshman wrote:
On 9/7/21 6:12 AM, Peter Nyikos wrote:
Harshman and Oxyaena and Simpson are rotten role models, but you seem
to be emulating them here. What follows is more of the same:
<snip of self-and-Simpson-and-Oxyaena-serving comments by yourself>
It will be interesting to see his reaction, if any, to THIS post.
Well, at least that served some kind of purpose and wasn't an insult. My >> reaction is that your comments on vaccines were on topic and largely
correct.
I think they were more correct in some places than yours. What makes you think that the
following is true?
"And your immune system gets nothing from a live virus that it doesn't
get from the spike protein alone."
What makes you think it isn't true? The spike protein is the antigen
that the immune system reacts to.
That's why vaccines are effective.
This was from your parallel reply to Mario. I do not understand what you mean by
"gets nothing." Do you imagine that whole of the damage wrought by
Covid-19 is due to the spike protein alone? [1] or that the only antibodies the body
produces against the live virus are targeted at the spike protein and no other
part of the virus?
Your first question is irrelevant, as damage is not the topic. For the
second question, I think that's likely true. It's what is exposed on the surface. Are there other antigens also targeted? What do you know about
that?
[1] That would be grist for the mill of the anti-vaxxers who focus the greatest of their ire
on mRNA vaccines. Of course, they would be under the spell of the most toxic
piece of disinformation of all, that the mRNA would multiply and spread over all of your
cells, but they will gladly take any crumb of support that comes their way, even from
anti-anti-vaxxers like you and me.
This would seem to be a footnote without a referent.
What would be
grist? What support for anti-vaxxers? Is it something I said?
Mario will not be budged. It would help (well, no, nothing would actually help)
to illuminate more of his inconsistencies.
I intend to do so in any case, and also to show how mistaken he is about some pretty important things that you didn't try to show him being mistaken about.
Let me be the judge of whether it helps or not.
Sure. Your experience will be instructive. I will just take the
opportunity to predict that nothing you do will change his view.
For example, he opposed injected vaccines and asked why they aren't
swallowed, but in fact he opposes oral vaccines too, so that entire
argument was a distraction, probably made up on the spur of the moment,
and without regard to coherence. At such times he does assume a trollish >> aspect.
Did you bother to read what I wrote about the very thing you are talking about here?Yes.
It was specifically designed to see whether he keeps sliding down the slippery slope
or whether he sobers up and tries to get back on track. General comments like
yours above do not tend to impose such choices on the people they are designed
to nudge in the right direction.
There is no nudging, as it assumes that the target is capable of being
moved.
Good luck.
Mario, of course, might choose the wrong direction, but he is not such a known
quantity to me as you and two others that I named are -- the two others whose
names I have put into a hyphenated phrase at the top.
I am still trying to get the hang of Mario's *modus operandi*, hence all the trouble to which I am going for him.
Sure. You have fun with that.
On 7.9.2021. 17:42, Peter Nyikos wrote:
I am short on time, so in this second reply I can only spare the time for three isolated
issues where you seem to imagine that you know a lot more than I do.
On Monday, September 6, 2021 at 10:51:58 PM UTC-4, Mario Petrinovic wrote:
On 7.9.2021. 3:32, Peter Nyikos wrote:
On Wednesday, September 1, 2021 at 11:47:13 PM UTC-4, Mario Petrinovic wrote:
On 1.9.2021. 22:56, John Harshman wrote:
And it is nothing like the permanent damage to your lungs or liver you >>> could get from Covid-19. You can read about some of the grisly possibilities here,
as well as the jarring statistic you can read already from the url (95 means 95%):
https://theconversation.com/at-my-hospital-over-95-of-covid-19-patients-share-one-thing-in-common-theyre-unvaccinated-166708#_=_
I don't know people, do you read at all, about Covid-19 illness?
Do you? it seems that you have totally ignored the very title of the long and
hard-hitting article that I have linked for you. Obviously, you never read it.
No, I didn't read it. I did read the title, which says that 95 % of
people in hospitals aren't vaccinated.
The title says what's in article.
Your point is that I think that vaccination is dangerous. No, I don't
think that the danger is imminent, and that it causes some damage to
body. So, why would I read it?
If the article says that it doesn't
damage body, well, I agree with this.
It is NOT caused by the virus.
Is your authority for this the usual "They say"? What makes you think that you haven't been duped by anti-vaxxer propaganda?
There wasn't amti-vaxxer propaganda yet (and, I don't read anti-vaxxer propaganda, anyway, I don't go to Facebook, this forum, and the national
tv, is my only source of information.).
This was what experts found out
at the very beginning of the outbreak.
Is it that, as you were growing up, you realized that what the Communist government
issued was full of lies, and uncritically believed everything that was critical of the government
and widely asserted in the places you happen to have heard or read?
And now you've carried this attitude over to all governments?
I knew that Communist propaganda is a lie since I was just a little
kid. Of course, I didn't figure out through all of the lies, but I automatically assume that, whatever communists are saying is a lie.
Regarding all governments, I figured out that science is rotten (not
so long ago, maybe not more than 10 years ago, but I noticed some
"funny" things since I was a kid, since I am following space research
from that age, and science was always wrong in this field of research,
so, I was suspicious for a long time, I also knew that humans are not
smart, since I am living on Balkans, in Croatia). So, in general,
governments rely on science, science is rotten, so where does this leads
us to? It was so good, for so long time, in the developed world, and now
the developed world experiment too much, thinking nothing can go wrong.
There is nothing worse than thinking that you are a god, that you know
"the right way".
First, you don't know a sh.t, and second, "the right
way" changes, according to circumstances. You have to be smart at every
point of your way, and not just to step accidentally onto the right
track, thinking that you are a god, and follow in the same direction, no matter if the track turns away.
It is that, weak organisms are destroyed by our
immune system that lost its calibration.
Be that as it may, I hope you realize that you are putting yourself at risk by not getting vaccinated.
Don't imagine that you would be doing future generations a disservice by getting vaccinated.
You said yourself that you are beyond the age of sexual indulgence.
By my example I am giving my support to people who will have
descendants, and who will not vaccinate.
No, you didn't. You are under the impression that humans managed to
create some Supermen that fights viruses.
This is a complete falsehood. I never said anything of the sort.
<snip for focus>
They say that somebody who was ill and not vaccinated, and survived, >>>> has 7 times better immunity than the one who was vaccinated.
But please, note that he also could suffer terrible physical damage even if
he survived. Fat lot of good any immunity will do him if he is an invalid for the rest of his life.
Of course. He can die, if he isn't fit.
The fittest survive, anybody
of you ever gone to school, learning the basics of biology?
I have, but it looks like you haven't: "survival of the fittest" is not a biological expression.
It was coined by the non-biologist Herbert Spencer, who invented "social darwinism",
one of whose worst expressions was the Nazi pseudoscience of a "Master Race."
[By the way, was this pseudoscience the inspiration for "Supermen that fights viruses"?]
The only way biologists use the term "the fittest survive" is by way of the barren tautology:
the fittest are, BY DEFINITION, the ones that survive to pass their genes on to the population.
It says NOTHING about what kinds of anatomical, or whatever, traits are more fit than others.
The Nazis thought they knew, but biologists worthy of the name do not think that way.
Except in the most obvious cases, they know better than to try and judge that some trait
is more fit than another. A great deal depends on the environment, which is too unpredictable.
In the last ice age there were gray kangaroos ten feet tall, because the environment favored
large size; today the same species only has six foot tall kangaroos, because that is what
the environment favors.
Yes, I agree. And all this is very interesting discussion, on which I
have nothing to add. If you have questions, please ask.
Regarding the topic of vaccination, I believe I said a lot in my reply
to Harshman.
If you have any objections, again, please ask.
On Tuesday, September 7, 2021 at 12:51:11 PM UTC-4, John Harshman wrote:
On 9/7/21 7:58 AM, Peter Nyikos wrote:
On Tuesday, September 7, 2021 at 9:34:07 AM UTC-4, John Harshman wrote: >>>> On 9/7/21 6:12 AM, Peter Nyikos wrote:
Harshman and Oxyaena and Simpson are rotten role models, but you seem >>>>> to be emulating them here. What follows is more of the same:
<snip of self-and-Simpson-and-Oxyaena-serving comments by yourself>
It will be interesting to see his reaction, if any, to THIS post.
Well, at least that served some kind of purpose and wasn't an insult. My >>>> reaction is that your comments on vaccines were on topic and largely
correct.
I think they were more correct in some places than yours. What makes you think that the
following is true?
"And your immune system gets nothing from a live virus that it doesn't
get from the spike protein alone."
What makes you think it isn't true? The spike protein is the antigen
that the immune system reacts to.
Where did you pick up this counterintuitive information? The protein coat
is made up of more than just the spike protein, isn't it?
For sure, the mRNA of the spike protein is just a small part of the RNA of single-strand genome of the
coronavirus. The bulk of it is devoted to something I've never seen in any other
organism: a coding for an enzyme that duplicates RNA directly. I've long known of
transcriptase, reverse transcriptase, and DNA polymerase, but never before
of RNA polymerase.
It even raises questions about its origin. I have rejected any speculation that
it is a relict from RNA world [can you guess why?] and instead believe that it arose
by a mutation of one of the three classes of enzymes that I'd known about.
By the way, I thought for a long time that reverse transcriptase is only known from
retroviruses, but I've seen reports recently that claim it is coded for in the human genome.
That's why vaccines are effective.
I'm surprised to see you use such simplistic logic; it confuses necessary and sufficient conditions.
This was from your parallel reply to Mario. I do not understand what you mean by
"gets nothing." Do you imagine that whole of the damage wrought by
Covid-19 is due to the spike protein alone? [1] or that the only antibodies the body
produces against the live virus are targeted at the spike protein and no other
part of the virus?
Your first question is irrelevant, as damage is not the topic. For the
second question, I think that's likely true. It's what is exposed on the
surface. Are there other antigens also targeted? What do you know about
that?
[1] That would be grist for the mill of the anti-vaxxers who focus the greatest of their ire
on mRNA vaccines. Of course, they would be under the spell of the most toxic
piece of disinformation of all, that the mRNA would multiply and spread over all of your
cells, but they will gladly take any crumb of support that comes their way, even from
anti-anti-vaxxers like you and me.
This would seem to be a footnote without a referent.
What part of "... due to the spike protein alone? [1]" didn't you understand?
What would be
grist? What support for anti-vaxxers? Is it something I said?
Mario will not be budged. It would help (well, no, nothing would actually help)
to illuminate more of his inconsistencies.
I intend to do so in any case, and also to show how mistaken he is about >>> some pretty important things that you didn't try to show him being mistaken about.
An example was Mario's sophomoric claims about "survival of the fittest." Dealt with by me after I posted the above.
Let me be the judge of whether it helps or not.
Sure. Your experience will be instructive. I will just take the
opportunity to predict that nothing you do will change his view.
Understood.
Yes.For example, he opposed injected vaccines and asked why they aren't
swallowed, but in fact he opposes oral vaccines too, so that entire
argument was a distraction, probably made up on the spur of the moment, >>>> and without regard to coherence. At such times he does assume a trollish >>>> aspect.
Did you bother to read what I wrote about the very thing you are talking about here?
It was specifically designed to see whether he keeps sliding down the slippery slope
or whether he sobers up and tries to get back on track. General comments like
yours above do not tend to impose such choices on the people they are designed
to nudge in the right direction.
There is no nudging, as it assumes that the target is capable of being
moved.
I put the last clause in the wrong place. I had in mind the nudging I was doing,
and should have realized that you never wrote anything like your general comment
in reply to Mario.
Good luck.
Mario, of course, might choose the wrong direction, but he is not such a known
quantity to me as you and two others that I named are -- the two others whose
names I have put into a hyphenated phrase at the top.
I am still trying to get the hang of Mario's *modus operandi*, hence all the trouble to which I am going for him.
Sure. You have fun with that.
I will. It is always good to know where individuals are coming from -- something one of your allies
pretended not to believe in talk.origins, then soon revealed that he did very much believe it.
On Tuesday, September 7, 2021 at 1:07:04 PM UTC-4, Mario Petrinovic wrote:
On 7.9.2021. 17:42, Peter Nyikos wrote:
I am short on time, so in this second reply I can only spare the time for three isolated
issues where you seem to imagine that you know a lot more than I do.
On Monday, September 6, 2021 at 10:51:58 PM UTC-4, Mario Petrinovic wrote: >>>> On 7.9.2021. 3:32, Peter Nyikos wrote:
On Wednesday, September 1, 2021 at 11:47:13 PM UTC-4, Mario Petrinovic wrote:
On 1.9.2021. 22:56, John Harshman wrote:
And it is nothing like the permanent damage to your lungs or liver you >>>>> could get from Covid-19. You can read about some of the grisly possibilities here,
as well as the jarring statistic you can read already from the url (95 means 95%):
https://theconversation.com/at-my-hospital-over-95-of-covid-19-patients-share-one-thing-in-common-theyre-unvaccinated-166708#_=_
I don't know people, do you read at all, about Covid-19 illness?
Do you? it seems that you have totally ignored the very title of the long and
hard-hitting article that I have linked for you. Obviously, you never read it.
No, I didn't read it. I did read the title, which says that 95 % of
people in hospitals aren't vaccinated.
Not quite. It says over 95% of Covid-19 patients in hospitals aren't vaccinated.
These are the Covid-19 cases that are so severe, they require hospitalization.
And yet, at least half of the people in the USA [1] have been vaccinated by now.
That should tell you something about the effectiveness of the vaccine.
[1] Alas, the rest of the world is mostly much worse off, because the richer countries are selfishly
hoarding the vaccine. A month ago, some of the poorer countries had only 1.3% vaccinated.
That was one of the comments I made to the article.]
>The title says what's in article.
In fact, it says only a tiny smidgin of what's in the article, and you would know that if you had read it. Do you ever read anything besides titles and headlines?
Your point is that I think that vaccination is dangerous. No, I don't
think that the danger is imminent, and that it causes some damage to
body. So, why would I read it?
Because it is not about the damage the vaccine does,
but about the far worse damage that the disease does.
You would know that if you had read it.
If the article says that it doesn't
damage body, well, I agree with this.
If you had read the article, you would have to agree that the disease can cause terrible damage to the body.
Yet you would still refuse to be vaccinated, wouldn't you? Why?
It is NOT caused by the virus.
Is your authority for this the usual "They say"? What makes you think that >>> you haven't been duped by anti-vaxxer propaganda?
There wasn't amti-vaxxer propaganda yet (and, I don't read anti-vaxxer
propaganda, anyway, I don't go to Facebook, this forum, and the national
tv, is my only source of information.).
Facebook has plenty of people spouting anti-vaxxer sentiments.
But Facebook censors the worst of them, so it appears that it is
the national tv is the source of the anti-vaxxer propaganda, "It is NOT caused by the virus. "
This was what experts found out
at the very beginning of the outbreak.
Did you also see this on your national tv? Did they actually say who the "experts" were?
I seriously doubt that there is anyone, including Dr. Fauci, who can be claimed
to be an expert on the pandemic even NOW,
so I would really like to know who these alleged "experts" were.
Is it that, as you were growing up, you realized that what the Communist government
issued was full of lies, and uncritically believed everything that was critical of the government
and widely asserted in the places you happen to have heard or read?
And now you've carried this attitude over to all governments?
I knew that Communist propaganda is a lie since I was just a little
kid. Of course, I didn't figure out through all of the lies, but I
automatically assume that, whatever communists are saying is a lie.
That's going too far in the opposite direction. I did too, for a long time, but I came to realize that some of it was true. For instance, the USA and Britain and France
WERE imperialist countries, and the USA still is: that is at the base of the tragedy
in Afghanistan, for instance.
Regarding all governments, I figured out that science is rotten (not
so long ago, maybe not more than 10 years ago, but I noticed some
"funny" things since I was a kid, since I am following space research
from that age, and science was always wrong in this field of research,
HUH???? are you one of the people who believe that all the moon landings
were faked, as was the near-tragedy of Apollo 13?
We did have someone like that in talk.origins for several years, who went
by the nickname "eridanus" [His real name may have been Leopolodo Perdomo.] He was a Spaniard who, in many ways, reminded me of you.
so, I was suspicious for a long time, I also knew that humans are not
smart, since I am living on Balkans, in Croatia). So, in general,
governments rely on science, science is rotten, so where does this leads
us to? It was so good, for so long time, in the developed world, and now
the developed world experiment too much, thinking nothing can go wrong.
There is nothing worse than thinking that you are a god, that you know
"the right way".
Then why are you so sure of so many things that aren't correct?
First, you don't know a sh.t, and second, "the right
way" changes, according to circumstances. You have to be smart at every
point of your way, and not just to step accidentally onto the right
track, thinking that you are a god, and follow in the same direction, no
matter if the track turns away.
It is that, weak organisms are destroyed by our
immune system that lost its calibration.
Be that as it may, I hope you realize that you are putting yourself at risk by not getting vaccinated.
Don't imagine that you would be doing future generations a disservice by getting vaccinated.
You said yourself that you are beyond the age of sexual indulgence.
By my example I am giving my support to people who will have
descendants, and who will not vaccinate.
And who may suffer the tragedies that you would know about, if you
had read the article I linked for you. Do you like the idea of their children spitting on your grave if they suffer them, say, thirty years from now,
when they are as old as you and the children are in the prime of adulthood?
No, you didn't. You are under the impression that humans managed to
create some Supermen that fights viruses.
This is a complete falsehood. I never said anything of the sort.
<snip for focus>
They say that somebody who was ill and not vaccinated, and survived, >>>>>> has 7 times better immunity than the one who was vaccinated.
But please, note that he also could suffer terrible physical damage even if
he survived. Fat lot of good any immunity will do him if he is an invalid for the rest of his life.
Of course. He can die, if he isn't fit.
If what I said about children spitting on your grave comes to pass, this might rouse them to more extreme actions, were they to see this.
Are you familiar with Dickens's "A Christmas Carol"? Ebenezer Scrooge said something
along the same lines, but he came to be remorseful when his heart went out to Tiny Tim,
and the Ghost of Christmas Present brought his words back to haunt him.
The fittest survive, anybody
of you ever gone to school, learning the basics of biology?
I have, but it looks like you haven't: "survival of the fittest" is not a biological expression.
It was coined by the non-biologist Herbert Spencer, who invented "social darwinism",
one of whose worst expressions was the Nazi pseudoscience of a "Master Race."
[By the way, was this pseudoscience the inspiration for "Supermen that fights viruses"?]
The only way biologists use the term "the fittest survive" is by way of the barren tautology:
the fittest are, BY DEFINITION, the ones that survive to pass their genes on to the population.
It says NOTHING about what kinds of anatomical, or whatever, traits are more fit than others.
The Nazis thought they knew, but biologists worthy of the name do not think that way.
Except in the most obvious cases, they know better than to try and judge that some trait
is more fit than another. A great deal depends on the environment, which is too unpredictable.
In the last ice age there were gray kangaroos ten feet tall, because the environment favored
large size; today the same species only has six foot tall kangaroos, because that is what
the environment favors.
Yes, I agree. And all this is very interesting discussion, on which I
have nothing to add. If you have questions, please ask.
Regarding the topic of vaccination, I believe I said a lot in my reply
to Harshman.
A lot, but I think about 75% of what you need to say still hasn't been said.
If you have any objections, again, please ask.
I sure will, as you can see from my last reply to Harshman, less than an hour ago.
On 9/7/21 10:41 AM, Peter Nyikos wrote:
For sure, the mRNA of the spike protein is just a small part of the RNA of single-strand genome of the
coronavirus. The bulk of it is devoted to something I've never seen in any other
organism: a coding for an enzyme that duplicates RNA directly. I've long known of
transcriptase, reverse transcriptase, and DNA polymerase, but never before of RNA polymerase.
To be specific, RNA-templated RNA polymerase. DNA-tempated RNA
polymerase is of course ubiquitous.
It even raises questions about its origin. I have rejected any speculation that
it is a relict from RNA world [can you guess why?] and instead believe that it arose
by a mutation of one of the three classes of enzymes that I'd known about.
This was from your parallel reply to Mario. I do not understand what you mean by
"gets nothing." Do you imagine that whole of the damage wrought by
Covid-19 is due to the spike protein alone? [1] or that the only antibodies the body
produces against the live virus are targeted at the spike protein and no other
part of the virus?
[1] That would be grist for the mill of the anti-vaxxers who focus the greatest of their ire
on mRNA vaccines. Of course, they would be under the spell of the most toxic
piece of disinformation of all, that the mRNA would multiply and spread over all of your
cells, but they will gladly take any crumb of support that comes their way, even from
anti-anti-vaxxers like you and me.
This would seem to be a footnote without a referent.
What part of "... due to the spike protein alone? [1]" didn't you understand?
Oh, sorry. Didn't find it. Why, then, is that grist for the anti-vaxxer
mill? Still don't get it.
I will. It is always good to know where individuals are coming from -- something one of your alliesYour gratuitous insult fails to mention the name of the offender. I
pretended not to believe in talk.origins, then soon revealed that he did very much believe it.
consider that progress. The next step is failing to put in the
gratuitous insult at all.
I thought I was done with this thread for today, but I would like to call everyone's attention
to a remarkable pterosaur find, complete with many fine and fascinating illustrations. Pandora reported on it ten days ago, and others seem to have overlooked the thread besides myself until now. I did a post about an hour ago
which highlighted some of the features of the article that I thought would be of interest:
https://groups.google.com/g/sci.bio.paleontology/c/SqialEOpviY/m/coCkwVYJAAAJ Re: Exceptionally well-preserved tapejarid skeleton from Brazil
On Tuesday, September 7, 2021 at 3:24:24 PM UTC-4, John Harshman wrote:
On 9/7/21 10:41 AM, Peter Nyikos wrote:
Hitting only a few highlights:
For sure, the mRNA of the spike protein is just a small part of the RNA of single-strand genome of the
coronavirus. The bulk of it is devoted to something I've never seen in any other
organism: a coding for an enzyme that duplicates RNA directly. I've long known of
transcriptase, reverse transcriptase, and DNA polymerase, but never before >>> of RNA polymerase.
To be specific, RNA-templated RNA polymerase. DNA-tempated RNA
polymerase is of course ubiquitous.
Is that a synonym for transcriptase?
It even raises questions about its origin. I have rejected any speculation that
it is a relict from RNA world [can you guess why?] and instead believe that it arose
by a mutation of one of the three classes of enzymes that I'd known about.
This might still be a question of interest to specialists: which of the three classes is it most likely to have arisen from?
<snip for focus>
This was from your parallel reply to Mario. I do not understand what you mean by
"gets nothing." Do you imagine that whole of the damage wrought by
Covid-19 is due to the spike protein alone? [1] or that the only antibodies the body
produces against the live virus are targeted at the spike protein and no other
part of the virus?
<snip>
[1] That would be grist for the mill of the anti-vaxxers who focus the greatest of their ire
on mRNA vaccines. Of course, they would be under the spell of the most toxic
piece of disinformation of all, that the mRNA would multiply and spread over all of your
cells, but they will gladly take any crumb of support that comes their way, even from
anti-anti-vaxxers like you and me.
This would seem to be a footnote without a referent.
What part of "... due to the spike protein alone? [1]" didn't you understand?
Oh, sorry. Didn't find it. Why, then, is that grist for the anti-vaxxer
mill? Still don't get it.
I guess you haven't read as much of the scaremongering as I have. With only the
spike protein coded by the mRNA, it would be grist for their mill if all the damage
due to the virus [near-destroyed lungs, etc. and including death] is caused by the spike protein
and no other part of the virus.
The following piece of scaremongering is disturbingly reminiscent of something Mario believes:
the claim that as your immune system recognizes that a cell has been invaded by the spike protein
and/or mRNA, it will attack and destroy the cell. Together with the scaremongering about it
invading every cell of your body [impossible, for several good reasons] the inevitable outcome
[expressly stated by the originator of a lot of this scaremongering] is massive organ failure
leading to death.
What bothers me most of all is that the anti-vaxxers and the knowledgeable people
are almost completely sealed off from each other. The most knowledgeable scientists, who
could easily refute this rank pseudoscience, almost invariably refrain from mentioning
it for fear of "giving it legitimacy/publicity". And so the anti-vaxxers remain blissfully
unaware of the falsity of all this pseudoscience. I've made tiny little dents in their ignorance as best
I could, but it's a Sysyphean task.
I will. It is always good to know where individuals are coming from -- something one of your alliesYour gratuitous insult fails to mention the name of the offender. I
pretended not to believe in talk.origins, then soon revealed that he did very much believe it.
consider that progress. The next step is failing to put in the
gratuitous insult at all.
People deserve to know what a minefield talk.origins is.
Daud Deden posted briefly there at one point.
I welcomed him and congratulated him on attracting two of the best people there -- Andre Isaak
and Ernest Major -- and told him that he would do well to heed their advice on not to try
to extend the definition of "homologous" beyond the already confusing concept that it is.
He thanked me for explaining WHY it is confusing, and the thread ended well.
Others have not been so lucky. Ron Dean was so demoralized, after having gotten along tolerably well with
someone, when that someone made a thoroughly despicable attack on him, that he seriously considered leaving talk.origins for good.
Perhaps you think so poorly of Ron Dean that you would have said "good riddance" if he had left,
like you said of the possibility of Ruben Safir leaving sci.bio.paleontology for good. But I think very
much more humanely of both of them, and I managed to reassure Ron that he shouldn't be
let down too much, now that he knows that the person in question does not post in good faith.
Harshman and Oxyaena and Simpson are rotten role models, but you seem
to be emulating them here. What follows is more of the same:
So, why don't you create a sparring
partner for a boxer to train, instead using a live humans?
This nonsense makes me wonder whether Erik Simpson was right to call you a troll.
He is a troll a great deal of the time himself, but as the old half-truth says,
"It takes one to know one."
Remainder deleted, to be replied to later.
Peter Nyikos
Professor, Dept. of Mathematics -- standard disclaimer--
University of South Carolina
http://people.math.sc.edu/nyikos
PS I see Thrinaxodon/Oxyaena is disappointed by the post to which you are replying,
because I didn't reprimand you the way 'e was hoping I would. I suppose 'e will think
that I still am not reprimanding you sufficiently. However, if you continue to deteriorate
at the rate you are, perhaps his/her insatiable appetite for reprimands between
people 'e hates with an unreasoning hatred will be temporarily appeased.
I am short on time, so in this second reply I can only spare the time for three isolated
issues where you seem to imagine that you know a lot more than I do.
On Monday, September 6, 2021 at 10:51:58 PM UTC-4, Mario Petrinovic wrote:
On 7.9.2021. 3:32, Peter Nyikos wrote:
On Wednesday, September 1, 2021 at 11:47:13 PM UTC-4, Mario Petrinovic wrote:
On 1.9.2021. 22:56, John Harshman wrote:
And it is nothing like the permanent damage to your lungs or liver you
could get from Covid-19. You can read about some of the grisly possibilities here,
as well as the jarring statistic you can read already from the url (95 means 95%):
https://theconversation.com/at-my-hospital-over-95-of-covid-19-patients-share-one-thing-in-common-theyre-unvaccinated-166708#_=_
I don't know people, do you read at all, about Covid-19 illness?
Do you? it seems that you have totally ignored the very title of the long and hard-hitting article that I have linked for you. Obviously, you never read it.
It is NOT caused by the virus.
Is your authority for this the usual "They say"? What makes you think that you haven't been duped by anti-vaxxer propaganda?
Is it that, as you were growing up, you realized that what the Communist government
issued was full of lies, and uncritically believed everything that was critical of the government
and widely asserted in the places you happen to have heard or read?
And now you've carried this attitude over to all governments?
It is that, weak organisms are destroyed by our
immune system that lost its calibration.
Be that as it may, I hope you realize that you are putting yourself at
risk by not getting vaccinated.
Don't imagine that you would be doing future generations a disservice by getting vaccinated.
You said yourself that you are beyond the age of sexual indulgence.
<snip for focus>
No, you didn't. You are under the impression that humans managed to
create some Supermen that fights viruses.
This is a complete falsehood. I never said anything of the sort.
<snip for focus>
They say that somebody who was ill and not vaccinated, and survived,
has 7 times better immunity than the one who was vaccinated.
But please, note that he also could suffer terrible physical damage even if >>> he survived. Fat lot of good any immunity will do him if he is an
invalid for the rest of his life.
Of course. He can die, if he isn't fit. The fittest survive, anybody
of you ever gone to school, learning the basics of biology?
I have, but it looks like you haven't: "survival of the fittest" is not a biological expression.
It was coined by the non-biologist Herbert Spencer, who invented "social darwinism",
one of whose worst expressions was the Nazi pseudoscience of a "Master Race."
[By the way, was this pseudoscience the inspiration for "Supermen that fights viruses"?]
The only way biologists use the term "the fittest survive" is by way of
the barren tautology:
the fittest are, BY DEFINITION, the ones that survive to pass their genes
on to the population.
It says NOTHING about what kinds of anatomical, or whatever, traits are
more fit than others.
The Nazis thought they knew, but biologists worthy of the name do not think that way.
Except in the most obvious cases, they know better than to try and judge that some trait
is more fit than another. A great deal depends on the environment, which
is too unpredictable.
In the last ice age there were gray kangaroos ten feet tall, because the environment favored
large size; today the same species only has six
foot tall kangaroos, because that is what
the environment favors.
Is that what you are really afraid of, that an anti-Covid-2 vaccine is more likely
to hurt you, and to hurt you worse, than an invasion of SARS-CoV-2 viruses that your immune system hasn't got the any antibodies for?
Peter Nyikos <peter2nyikos@gmail.com> wrote:
I am short on time, so in this second reply I can only spare the time for three isolatedThat seems quite unfair to Spencer. At worst he was a callous libertarian
issues where you seem to imagine that you know a lot more than I do.
On Monday, September 6, 2021 at 10:51:58 PM UTC-4, Mario Petrinovic wrote: >>> On 7.9.2021. 3:32, Peter Nyikos wrote:
On Wednesday, September 1, 2021 at 11:47:13 PM UTC-4, Mario Petrinovic wrote:
On 1.9.2021. 22:56, John Harshman wrote:
And it is nothing like the permanent damage to your lungs or liver you >>>> could get from Covid-19. You can read about some of the grisly possibilities here,
as well as the jarring statistic you can read already from the url (95 means 95%):
https://theconversation.com/at-my-hospital-over-95-of-covid-19-patients-share-one-thing-in-common-theyre-unvaccinated-166708#_=_
I don't know people, do you read at all, about Covid-19 illness?
Do you? it seems that you have totally ignored the very title of the long and
hard-hitting article that I have linked for you. Obviously, you never read it.
It is NOT caused by the virus.
Is your authority for this the usual "They say"? What makes you think that >> you haven't been duped by anti-vaxxer propaganda?
Is it that, as you were growing up, you realized that what the Communist government
issued was full of lies, and uncritically believed everything that was
critical of the government
and widely asserted in the places you happen to have heard or read?
And now you've carried this attitude over to all governments?
It is that, weak organisms are destroyed by our
immune system that lost its calibration.
Be that as it may, I hope you realize that you are putting yourself at
risk by not getting vaccinated.
Don't imagine that you would be doing future generations a disservice by
getting vaccinated.
You said yourself that you are beyond the age of sexual indulgence.
<snip for focus>
No, you didn't. You are under the impression that humans managed to
create some Supermen that fights viruses.
This is a complete falsehood. I never said anything of the sort.
<snip for focus>
They say that somebody who was ill and not vaccinated, and survived, >>>>> has 7 times better immunity than the one who was vaccinated.
But please, note that he also could suffer terrible physical damage even if
he survived. Fat lot of good any immunity will do him if he is an
invalid for the rest of his life.
Of course. He can die, if he isn't fit. The fittest survive, anybody
of you ever gone to school, learning the basics of biology?
I have, but it looks like you haven't: "survival of the fittest" is not a
biological expression.
It was coined by the non-biologist Herbert Spencer, who invented "social darwinism",
one of whose worst expressions was the Nazi pseudoscience of a "Master Race."
or proto-Randroid not a fascist. He thought in terms of a right to ignore
the state. State imposed policies of who can reproduce seem contrary to
such a laissez faire view no? Arguably social historian Richard Hofstadter “invented” social darwinism as a concept retrospectively applied to some disparate strains of thought half a century or more previous.
Galton developed the idea of eugenics, which was a precursor to Nazi Master Race ideology, but would you too blame him for what came much later? Hitler and the Nazis were inspired by Madison Grant and others (Stoddard etc) who applied eugenics in the US in a very developed manner. The US had started putting sterilization statutes on its books and this procedure and its
impact on individual rights came to a head in Buck v Bell (1927) a SCOTUS decision.
Galton’s eugenics and Spencer’s libertarian callousness toward social reform are not the same thing. Eugenics was part of the package of reform promoted by American progressivism. So was conservation.
Wildlife management was a form of conservation. Eugenics is akin to that.
Sounds like a convoluted application of Nietzschean rhetoric to immunology.
[By the way, was this pseudoscience the inspiration for "Supermen that fights viruses"?]
Nietzsche too has been unfairly blamed for Nazi ideology.
Survival is for nothing without reproduction.
The only way biologists use the term "the fittest survive" is by way of
the barren tautology:
the fittest are, BY DEFINITION, the ones that survive to pass their genes
on to the population.
The Nazis were engaged in a dubious form of artificial selection or animal husbandry in their Master Race schema. But what they were doing wasn’t entirely eugenics. They pivoted to a hygiene model treating certain ethnicities as socially detrimental pathogens needing elimination from the body politic. That may be an important distinction.
It says NOTHING about what kinds of anatomical, or whatever, traits are
more fit than others.
The Nazis thought they knew, but biologists worthy of the name do not think that way.
Except in the most obvious cases, they know better than to try and judge that some trait
is more fit than another. A great deal depends on the environment, which
is too unpredictable.
In the last ice age there were gray kangaroos ten feet tall, because the
environment favored
large size; today the same species only has six
foot tall kangaroos, because that is what
the environment favors.
On 8.9.2021. 12:02, *Hemidactylus* wrote:
Peter Nyikos <peter2nyikos@gmail.com> wrote:
I am short on time, so in this second reply I can only spare the timeThat seems quite unfair to Spencer. At worst he was a callous libertarian
for three isolated
issues where you seem to imagine that you know a lot more than I do.
On Monday, September 6, 2021 at 10:51:58 PM UTC-4, Mario Petrinovic
wrote:
On 7.9.2021. 3:32, Peter Nyikos wrote:
On Wednesday, September 1, 2021 at 11:47:13 PM UTC-4, Mario
Petrinovic wrote:
On 1.9.2021. 22:56, John Harshman wrote:
And it is nothing like the permanent damage to your lungs or liver you >>>>> could get from Covid-19. You can read about some of the grisly
possibilities here,
as well as the jarring statistic you can read already from the url
(95 means 95%):
https://theconversation.com/at-my-hospital-over-95-of-covid-19-patients-share-one-thing-in-common-theyre-unvaccinated-166708#_=_
I don't know people, do you read at all, about Covid-19 illness?
Do you? it seems that you have totally ignored the very title of the
long and
hard-hitting article that I have linked for you. Obviously, you never
read it.
It is NOT caused by the virus.
Is your authority for this the usual "They say"? What makes you think
that
you haven't been duped by anti-vaxxer propaganda?
Is it that, as you were growing up, you realized that what the
Communist government
issued was full of lies, and uncritically believed everything that was
critical of the government
and widely asserted in the places you happen to have heard or read?
And now you've carried this attitude over to all governments?
It is that, weak organisms are destroyed by our
immune system that lost its calibration.
Be that as it may, I hope you realize that you are putting yourself at
risk by not getting vaccinated.
Don't imagine that you would be doing future generations a disservice by >>> getting vaccinated.
You said yourself that you are beyond the age of sexual indulgence.
<snip for focus>
No, you didn't. You are under the impression that humans managed to
create some Supermen that fights viruses.
This is a complete falsehood. I never said anything of the sort.
<snip for focus>
They say that somebody who was ill and not vaccinated, and survived, >>>>>> has 7 times better immunity than the one who was vaccinated.
But please, note that he also could suffer terrible physical damage
even if
he survived. Fat lot of good any immunity will do him if he is an
invalid for the rest of his life.
Of course. He can die, if he isn't fit. The fittest survive, anybody
of you ever gone to school, learning the basics of biology?
I have, but it looks like you haven't: "survival of the fittest" is
not a
biological expression.
It was coined by the non-biologist Herbert Spencer, who invented
"social darwinism",
one of whose worst expressions was the Nazi pseudoscience of a
"Master Race."
or proto-Randroid not a fascist. He thought in terms of a right to ignore
the state. State imposed policies of who can reproduce seem contrary to
such a laissez faire view no? Arguably social historian Richard
Hofstadter
“invented” social darwinism as a concept retrospectively applied to some >> disparate strains of thought half a century or more previous.
Galton developed the idea of eugenics, which was a precursor to Nazi
Master
Race ideology, but would you too blame him for what came much later?
Hitler
and the Nazis were inspired by Madison Grant and others (Stoddard etc)
who
applied eugenics in the US in a very developed manner. The US had started
putting sterilization statutes on its books and this procedure and its
impact on individual rights came to a head in Buck v Bell (1927) a SCOTUS
decision.
Galton’s eugenics and Spencer’s libertarian callousness toward social
reform are not the same thing. Eugenics was part of the package of reform
promoted by American progressivism. So was conservation.
Wildlife management was a form of conservation. Eugenics is akin to that. >>>
[By the way, was this pseudoscience the inspiration for "SupermenSounds like a convoluted application of Nietzschean rhetoric to
that fights viruses"?]
immunology.
Nietzsche too has been unfairly blamed for Nazi ideology.
Survival is for nothing without reproduction.
The only way biologists use the term "the fittest survive" is by way of
the barren tautology:
the fittest are, BY DEFINITION, the ones that survive to pass their
genes
on to the population.
The Nazis were engaged in a dubious form of artificial selection or
It says NOTHING about what kinds of anatomical, or whatever, traits are
more fit than others.
The Nazis thought they knew, but biologists worthy of the name do not
think that way.
Except in the most obvious cases, they know better than to try and
judge that some trait
is more fit than another. A great deal depends on the environment,
which
is too unpredictable.
In the last ice age there were gray kangaroos ten feet tall, because the >>> environment favored
large size; today the same species only has six
foot tall kangaroos, because that is what
the environment favors.
animal
husbandry in their Master Race schema. But what they were doing wasn’t
entirely eugenics. They pivoted to a hygiene model treating certain
ethnicities as socially detrimental pathogens needing elimination from
the
body politic. That may be an important distinction.
I don't know much about what you are writing, but my belief also is that certain ethnicities (or groups, or types, like psychopaths) should be eliminated as a form of hygiene. After all, Jews were treated
like that since Jews exist. For sure there was a reason for that.
In democracy (as I am seeing it), he who does things to harm majority, he should be treated as a pest. Isn't this the very definition
of the word "pest"?
"A pest is any animal or plant harmful to humans or human concerns."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pest_(organism)
I was always a minority, I was always different. I even declared myself as a minority, while my both parents are Croats, at one
time I declared myself an American, and later, an Italian.
But, whatever I do, I am doing it for the benefit of the majority, otherwise, why would they tolerate me? After all, I am
shitting onto their world, it is me who is not to standards, who is
wrong, not them, it is their world, one should have respect for that.
Germany does much better without Jews than with Jews. Jews without Germans are worse than Germans without Jews. Yet, when Jews were
in Germany, it is Jews who were better. They were better than Germans in German country, yet, if those two compete in their own countries, it is Germans that are better.
There is a flow (I hope this is the right word, like "fault") in a system which allows parasites to exploit the host. This is a
natural thing, parasites in nature also exploit system faults. Jews know about that, and they exploit it shamelessly wherever they can. The very religion, which doesn't take in new believers, tells you that this is a minority that wants to exploit the majority. Things like that shouldn't
be allowed.
On 9/8/21 6:01 AM, Mario Petrinovic wrote:
On 8.9.2021. 12:02, *Hemidactylus* wrote:Holy shit! He's a Nazi??
Peter Nyikos <peter2nyikos@gmail.com> wrote:
I am short on time, so in this second reply I can only spare theThat seems quite unfair to Spencer. At worst he was a callous
time for three isolated
issues where you seem to imagine that you know a lot more than I do.
On Monday, September 6, 2021 at 10:51:58 PM UTC-4, Mario Petrinovic
wrote:
On 7.9.2021. 3:32, Peter Nyikos wrote:
On Wednesday, September 1, 2021 at 11:47:13 PM UTC-4, Mario
Petrinovic wrote:
On 1.9.2021. 22:56, John Harshman wrote:
And it is nothing like the permanent damage to your lungs or liver >>>>>> you
could get from Covid-19. You can read about some of the grisly
possibilities here,
as well as the jarring statistic you can read already from the url >>>>>> (95 means 95%):
https://theconversation.com/at-my-hospital-over-95-of-covid-19-patients-share-one-thing-in-common-theyre-unvaccinated-166708#_=_
I don't know people, do you read at all, about Covid-19 illness?
Do you? it seems that you have totally ignored the very title of the
long and
hard-hitting article that I have linked for you. Obviously, you
never read it.
It is NOT caused by the virus.
Is your authority for this the usual "They say"? What makes you
think that
you haven't been duped by anti-vaxxer propaganda?
Is it that, as you were growing up, you realized that what the
Communist government
issued was full of lies, and uncritically believed everything that was >>>> critical of the government
and widely asserted in the places you happen to have heard or read?
And now you've carried this attitude over to all governments?
It is that, weak organisms are destroyed by our
immune system that lost its calibration.
Be that as it may, I hope you realize that you are putting yourself at >>>> risk by not getting vaccinated.
Don't imagine that you would be doing future generations a
disservice by
getting vaccinated.
You said yourself that you are beyond the age of sexual indulgence.
<snip for focus>
No, you didn't. You are under the impression that humans managed to
create some Supermen that fights viruses.
This is a complete falsehood. I never said anything of the sort.
<snip for focus>
They say that somebody who was ill and not vaccinated, and survived, >>>>>>> has 7 times better immunity than the one who was vaccinated.
But please, note that he also could suffer terrible physical
damage even if
he survived. Fat lot of good any immunity will do him if he is an
invalid for the rest of his life.
Of course. He can die, if he isn't fit. The fittest survive, anybody >>>>> of you ever gone to school, learning the basics of biology?
I have, but it looks like you haven't: "survival of the fittest" is
not a
biological expression.
It was coined by the non-biologist Herbert Spencer, who invented
"social darwinism",
one of whose worst expressions was the Nazi pseudoscience of a
"Master Race."
libertarian
or proto-Randroid not a fascist. He thought in terms of a right to
ignore
the state. State imposed policies of who can reproduce seem contrary to
such a laissez faire view no? Arguably social historian Richard
Hofstadter
“invented” social darwinism as a concept retrospectively applied to some
disparate strains of thought half a century or more previous.
Galton developed the idea of eugenics, which was a precursor to Nazi
Master
Race ideology, but would you too blame him for what came much later?
Hitler
and the Nazis were inspired by Madison Grant and others (Stoddard
etc) who
applied eugenics in the US in a very developed manner. The US had
started
putting sterilization statutes on its books and this procedure and its
impact on individual rights came to a head in Buck v Bell (1927) a
SCOTUS
decision.
Galton’s eugenics and Spencer’s libertarian callousness toward social >>> reform are not the same thing. Eugenics was part of the package of
reform
promoted by American progressivism. So was conservation.
Wildlife management was a form of conservation. Eugenics is akin to
that.
Sounds like a convoluted application of Nietzschean rhetoric to
[By the way, was this pseudoscience the inspiration for "Supermen
that fights viruses"?]
immunology.
Nietzsche too has been unfairly blamed for Nazi ideology.
Survival is for nothing without reproduction.
The only way biologists use the term "the fittest survive" is by way of >>>> the barren tautology:
the fittest are, BY DEFINITION, the ones that survive to pass their
genes
on to the population.
The Nazis were engaged in a dubious form of artificial selection or
It says NOTHING about what kinds of anatomical, or whatever, traits are >>>> more fit than others.
The Nazis thought they knew, but biologists worthy of the name do
not think that way.
Except in the most obvious cases, they know better than to try and
judge that some trait
is more fit than another. A great deal depends on the environment,
which
is too unpredictable.
In the last ice age there were gray kangaroos ten feet tall, because
the
environment favored
large size; today the same species only has six
foot tall kangaroos, because that is what
the environment favors.
animal
husbandry in their Master Race schema. But what they were doing wasn’t >>> entirely eugenics. They pivoted to a hygiene model treating certain
ethnicities as socially detrimental pathogens needing elimination
from the
body politic. That may be an important distinction.
I don't know much about what you are writing, but my belief >> also is that certain ethnicities (or groups, or types, like
psychopaths) should be eliminated as a form of hygiene. After all,
Jews were treated like that since Jews exist. For sure there was a
reason for that.
In democracy (as I am seeing it), he who does things to harm
majority, he should be treated as a pest. Isn't this the very
definition of the word "pest"?
"A pest is any animal or plant harmful to humans or human >> concerns."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pest_(organism)
I was always a minority, I was always different. I even
declared myself as a minority, while my both parents are Croats, at
one time I declared myself an American, and later, an Italian.
But, whatever I do, I am doing it for the benefit of the
majority, otherwise, why would they tolerate me? After all, I am
shitting onto their world, it is me who is not to standards, who is
wrong, not them, it is their world, one should have respect for that.
Germany does much better without Jews than with Jews. Jews >> without Germans are worse than Germans without Jews. Yet, when Jews
were in Germany, it is Jews who were better. They were better than
Germans in German country, yet, if those two compete in their own
countries, it is Germans that are better.
There is a flow (I hope this is the right word, like "fault")
in a system which allows parasites to exploit the host. This is a
natural thing, parasites in nature also exploit system faults. Jews
know about that, and they exploit it shamelessly wherever they can.
The very religion, which doesn't take in new believers, tells you that
this is a minority that wants to exploit the majority. Things like
that shouldn't be allowed.
Peter Nyikos <peter2...@gmail.com> wrote:
[snip]
Is that what you are really afraid of, that an anti-Covid-2 vaccine is more likely
to hurt you, and to hurt you worse, than an invasion of SARS-CoV-2 viruses that your immune system hasn't got any antibodies for?
Here’s a great article debunking one of the anti-vax myths— the one about
COVID vaccines altering DNA:
https://www.webmd.com/lung/news/20210719/covid-19-vaccines-not-gene-therapy
It would take jumping hurdles of reverse transcription, access to the nucleus, and integration for which the mRNA vaccines lack the tools.
Technically immunocytes have the capacity to alter their own DNA. Part of this is shuffling of antibody encoding genes. But there is another process known as hypermutation. If COVID infection or vaccination response gets to that point, that’s a case of indirect DNA alteration, but not confined to COVID and is a good thing as it diversifies the potential response to pathogens.
Peter Nyikos <peter2...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Monday, September 6, 2021 at 10:51:58 PM UTC-4, Mario Petrinovic wrote:
On 7.9.2021. 3:32, Peter Nyikos wrote:
On Wednesday, September 1, 2021 at 11:47:13 PM UTC-4, Mario Petrinovic wrote:
You are under the impression that humans managed to
create some Supermen that fights viruses.
This is a complete falsehood. I never said anything of the sort.
<snip for focus>
They say that somebody who was ill and not vaccinated, and survived, >>>> has 7 times better immunity than the one who was vaccinated.
But please, note that he also could suffer terrible physical damage even if
he survived. Fat lot of good any immunity will do him if he is an
invalid for the rest of his life.
Of course. He can die, if he isn't fit. The fittest survive, anybody
of you ever gone to school, learning the basics of biology?
I have, but it looks like you haven't: "survival of the fittest" is not a biological expression.
It was coined by the non-biologist Herbert Spencer, who invented "social darwinism",
one of whose worst expressions was the Nazi pseudoscience of a "Master Race."
That seems quite unfair to Spencer. At worst he was a callous libertarian
or proto-Randroid not a fascist.
He thought in terms of a right to ignore
the state. State imposed policies of who can reproduce seem contrary to
such a laissez faire view no?
Arguably social historian Richard Hofstadter
“invented” social darwinism as a concept retrospectively applied to some disparate strains of thought half a century or more previous.
Galton developed the idea of eugenics, which was a precursor to Nazi Master Race ideology, but would you too blame him for what came much later?
Hitler and the Nazis were inspired by Madison Grant and others (Stoddard etc) who
applied eugenics in the US in a very developed manner. The US had started putting sterilization statutes on its books and this procedure and its impact on individual rights came to a head in Buck v Bell (1927) a SCOTUS decision.
Galton’s eugenics and Spencer’s libertarian callousness toward social reform are not the same thing. Eugenics was part of the package of reform promoted by American progressivism. So was conservation.
Wildlife management was a form of conservation. Eugenics is akin to that.
[By the way, was this pseudoscience the inspiration for "Supermen that fights viruses"?]
Sounds like a convoluted application of Nietzschean rhetoric to immunology. Nietzsche too has been unfairly blamed for Nazi ideology.
The only way biologists use the term "the fittest survive" is by way of the barren tautology:
the fittest are, BY DEFINITION, the ones that survive to pass their genes on to the population.
Survival is for nothing without reproduction.
It says NOTHING about what kinds of anatomical, or whatever, traits are more fit than others.
The Nazis thought they knew, but biologists worthy of the name do not think that way.
Except in the most obvious cases, they know better than to try and judge that some trait
is more fit than another. A great deal depends on the environment, which is too unpredictable.
In the last ice age there were gray kangaroos ten feet tall, because the environment favored large size; today the same species only has six
foot tall kangaroos, because that is what the environment favors.
The Nazis were engaged in a dubious form of artificial selection or animal husbandry in their Master Race schema. But what they were doing wasn’t entirely eugenics. They pivoted to a hygiene model treating certain ethnicities as socially detrimental pathogens needing elimination from the body politic. That may be an important distinction.
On 8.9.2021. 15:06, John Harshman wrote:
On 9/8/21 6:01 AM, Mario Petrinovic wrote:
On 8.9.2021. 12:02, *Hemidactylus* wrote:
Peter Nyikos <peter2...@gmail.com> wrote:
Except in the most obvious cases, [biologists] know better than to try andThe Nazis were engaged in a dubious form of artificial selection or
judge that some trait
is more fit than another. A great deal depends on the environment,
which is too unpredictable.
In the last ice age there were gray kangaroos ten feet tall, >>>>because the environment favored large size; today the same species only has six
foot tall kangaroos, because that is what the environment favors.
animal
husbandry in their Master Race schema. But what they were doing wasn’t >>> entirely eugenics. They pivoted to a hygiene model treating certain
ethnicities as socially detrimental pathogens needing elimination
from the
body politic. That may be an important distinction.
I don't know much about what you are writing, but my belief
also is that certain ethnicities (or groups, or types, like
psychopaths) should be eliminated as a form of hygiene.
After all, Jews were treated like that since Jews exist.
For sure there was a reason for that.
In democracy (as I am seeing it), he who does things to harm
majority, he should be treated as a pest. Isn't this the very
definition of the word "pest"?
"A pest is any animal or plant harmful to humans or human
concerns."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pest_(organism)
I was always a minority, I was always different. I even
declared myself as a minority, while my both parents are Croats, at
one time I declared myself an American, and later, an Italian.
But, whatever I do, I am doing it for the benefit of the
majority, otherwise, why would they tolerate me?
After all, I am
shitting onto their world, it is me who is not to standards, who is
wrong, not them, it is their world, one should have respect for that.
Germany does much better without Jews than with Jews. Jews
without Germans are worse than Germans without Jews. Yet, when Jews
were in Germany, it is Jews who were better. They were better than
Germans in German country, yet, if those two compete in their own
countries, it is Germans that are better.
There is a flow (I hope this is the right word, like "fault")
in a system which allows parasites to exploit the host. This is a
natural thing, parasites in nature also exploit system faults. Jews
know about that, and they exploit it shamelessly wherever they can.
The very religion, which doesn't take in new believers,
tells you that this is a minority that wants to exploit the majority.
Things like that shouldn't be allowed.
Holy shit! He's a Nazi??
It is Jews who should apologize to others, for everything they did to
others in the past.
Regarding Nazi, isn't the definition of Nazism that Germans are better
than the rest?
In that regard I am not a Nazi.
This is what Wikipedia says:
"Nazism is a form of fascism, with disdain for liberal democracy and
the parliamentary system. It incorporates fervent antisemitism, anti-communism, scientific racism, and the use of eugenics into its creed.... ...Nazism subscribed to pseudo-scientific theories of a racial hierarchy and social Darwinism, identifying the Germans as a part of
what the Nazis regarded as an Aryan or Nordic master race. It aimed to overcome social divisions and create a homogeneous German society based
on racial purity which represented a people's community
(Volksgemeinschaft). The Nazis aimed to unite all Germans living in historically German territory, as well as gain additional lands for
German expansion under the doctrine of Lebensraum and exclude those who
they deemed either Community Aliens or "inferior" races."
I am nothing like Nazi, I cherish democracy, I am not a chauvinist, I
don't aim to overcome social divisions, I don't aim to unite whole
nations, and I don't think that Jews are "inferior race". I think that
Jews (and other parasites) are dangerous, but not "inferior race".
Nazism do incorporate antisemitism, but antisemitism isn't Nazism. I
am not against Semites, but I am against Jews,
and against communists. I
am against *anybody* who wants to harm the majority.
On Wednesday, September 8, 2021 at 6:26:43 AM UTC-4, *Hemidactylus* wrote:
Peter Nyikos <peter2...@gmail.com> wrote:
[snip]
To Mario:
Is that what you are really afraid of, that an anti-Covid-2 vaccine is more likelyHere’s a great article debunking one of the anti-vax myths— the one about
to hurt you, and to hurt you worse, than an invasion of SARS-CoV-2 viruses >>> that your immune system hasn't got any antibodies for?
COVID vaccines altering DNA:
https://www.webmd.com/lung/news/20210719/covid-19-vaccines-not-gene-therapy >>
It would take jumping hurdles of reverse transcription, access to the
nucleus, and integration for which the mRNA vaccines lack the tools.
This will scotch the altered DNA myth, but not kill it. Or kill it and not drive a stake through its heart [pick your metaphor].
More is needed to drive a stake through its heart.
There may indeed be some some reverse transcriptase floating around,
either from a retrovirus (e. g., HIV) infecting the same cell, or the body's own reverse transcriptase
[something whose existence I disbelieved until this summer] and perhaps it could produce DNA
that codes for the mRNA. At this point, the natural question arises: what's to stop
that DNA from being transcribed right in the cytoplasm to form more mRNA, to be reverse transcribed... in an endless feedback loop? The article doesn't mention this question.
Fortunately, there are two answers. First, transcription takes place in the nucleus.
And second, transcription doesn't get initiated unless the DNA has a somewhat long recognition sequence of nucleotides in the right place. And the mRNA lacks
the complementary sequence. It does have the much shorter recognition sequence
to initiate translation into spike protein, but that won't initiate transcription.
There is another toxic bit of scaremongering that might fool some people
into thinking the first answer can be circumvented. And that is that
"the vaccine alters the working of your mitochondria." This slogan
has gone viral without any explanation of what the alleged alteration
is or how it is caused.
Worst case scenario would be if the reverse-transcribed DNA could get
into your mitochondria, which may not have the safeguards of the nucleus. Whether this is possible or not, I cannot answer myself [and neither does the linked article].
However, I maintain that the second answer -- lack of a recognition sequence --
is enough to drive a stake through the heart of the myth.
Technically immunocytes have the capacity to alter their own DNA. Part of
this is shuffling of antibody encoding genes. But there is another process >> known as hypermutation. If COVID infection or vaccination response gets to >> that point, that’s a case of indirect DNA alteration, but not confined to >> COVID and is a good thing as it diversifies the potential response to
pathogens.
As usual, you are so fond of glibness that you don't spell out the relevance, if any, to possible damage caused by the mRNA. Do you know some reasons
why that worst case scenario cannot come to pass?
If not, perhaps others do. Hemi, see if you can find someone in talk.origins who has the
background knowledge to drive a second stake through the heart of the myth. In this high-stakes debate, overkill is a virtue.
On Wednesday, September 8, 2021 at 9:20:57 AM UTC-4, Mario Petrinovic wrote:
On 8.9.2021. 15:06, John Harshman wrote:
On 9/8/21 6:01 AM, Mario Petrinovic wrote:
On 8.9.2021. 12:02, *Hemidactylus* wrote:
Peter Nyikos <peter2...@gmail.com> wrote:
Except in the most obvious cases, [biologists] know better than to try andThe Nazis were engaged in a dubious form of artificial selection or
judge that some trait
is more fit than another. A great deal depends on the environment, >>>>>> which is too unpredictable.
In the last ice age there were gray kangaroos ten feet tall,
because the environment favored large size; today the same species only has six
foot tall kangaroos, because that is what the environment favors.
animal
husbandry in their Master Race schema. But what they were doing wasn’t >>>>> entirely eugenics. They pivoted to a hygiene model treating certain
ethnicities as socially detrimental pathogens needing elimination
from the
body politic. That may be an important distinction.
I don't know much about what you are writing, but my belief
also is that certain ethnicities (or groups, or types, like
psychopaths) should be eliminated as a form of hygiene.
Using whose criteria? Why do you latch onto Jews right away?
What have they done to you?
After all, Jews were treated like that since Jews exist.
Only by some peoples. The Muslims only sporadically did that.
At other times they were the tolerant ones, treating Jews as "People of the Book".
Leaving old history behind for one line: do you know what the attitude of the Taliban is towards Jews? I don't.
Jews prospered for a long time in some countries, free of "elimination," because they were the entrepreneurs. In WWII the Hungarians were among the Axis
who could not keep the economy going without Jews.
Only after the Germans installed a government of the Hungarian Nazis
("the Arrow Cross") in 1944 did the elimination of Jews really get underway, IIRC.
For sure there was a reason for that.
Until you are sure of the reason, there is no cause for you to play "monkey see, monkey do."
When you are sure, perhaps you won't join it.
In democracy (as I am seeing it), he who does things to harm
majority, he should be treated as a pest. Isn't this the very
definition of the word "pest"?
The majority can be tragically wrong sometimes.
"A pest is any animal or plant harmful to humans or human
concerns."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pest_(organism)
I was always a minority, I was always different. I even
declared myself as a minority, while my both parents are Croats, at
one time I declared myself an American, and later, an Italian.
But, whatever I do, I am doing it for the benefit of the
majority, otherwise, why would they tolerate me?
You are being very simplistic here. Need I tell you why?
After all, I am
shitting onto their world, it is me who is not to standards, who is
wrong, not them, it is their world, one should have respect for that.
Here in America, there are all kinds of people, with none in the majority any more.
It's a very much more heterogeneous society than Croatia, or Hungary.
Germany does much better without Jews than with Jews. Jews
without Germans are worse than Germans without Jews. Yet, when Jews
were in Germany, it is Jews who were better. They were better than
Germans in German country, yet, if those two compete in their own
countries, it is Germans that are better.
I'm not following this at all. Are you sure you thought about it before you typed it out?
There is a flow (I hope this is the right word, like "fault")
in a system which allows parasites to exploit the host. This is a
natural thing, parasites in nature also exploit system faults. Jews
know about that, and they exploit it shamelessly wherever they can.
The very religion, which doesn't take in new believers,
Zoroastrianism is another such religion, and I suspect there are many others.
tells you that this is a minority that wants to exploit the majority.
"tells you" is ambiguous. I doubt that you'll find evidence that Zoroastrians want to exploit the majority. What makes you think Jews do?
Things like that shouldn't be allowed.
I think you are under the spell of the extreme emphasis Communists put on the word "exploit."
I "exploit" supermarkets whenever I buy only things that are on sale below cost. I "exploit" the
rain that falls from the sky and waters my garden for me.
Holy shit! He's a Nazi??
It is Jews who should apologize to others, for everything they did to
others in the past.
Who is "they"? their ancestors? Should descendants who have done no wrong
apologize for having survived the Holocaust?
Regarding Nazi, isn't the definition of Nazism that Germans are better
than the rest?
No, Aryans. At least some of them, like the Croats who collaborated with the Nazis.
On the other hand, Slavs further east and north were treated abominably.
In that regard I am not a Nazi.
This is what Wikipedia says:
"Nazism is a form of fascism, with disdain for liberal democracy and
the parliamentary system. It incorporates fervent antisemitism,
anti-communism, scientific racism, and the use of eugenics into its
creed.... ...Nazism subscribed to pseudo-scientific theories of a racial
hierarchy and social Darwinism, identifying the Germans as a part of
what the Nazis regarded as an Aryan or Nordic master race. It aimed to
overcome social divisions and create a homogeneous German society based
on racial purity which represented a people's community
(Volksgemeinschaft). The Nazis aimed to unite all Germans living in
historically German territory, as well as gain additional lands for
German expansion under the doctrine of Lebensraum and exclude those who
they deemed either Community Aliens or "inferior" races."
I am nothing like Nazi, I cherish democracy, I am not a chauvinist, I
don't aim to overcome social divisions, I don't aim to unite whole
nations, and I don't think that Jews are "inferior race". I think that
Jews (and other parasites) are dangerous, but not "inferior race".
Nazism do incorporate antisemitism, but antisemitism isn't Nazism. I
am not against Semites, but I am against Jews,
You are being too literal. The usual understanding of "antisemitism" is being against Jews.
and against communists. I
am against *anybody* who wants to harm the majority.
"harm the majority" -- individuals like you and me are incapable of harming more
than a small handful of people. You need to get specific on how you think Jews
as a whole are harming the majority and not just some identifiable minority.
On 9.9.2021. 3:24, Peter Nyikos wrote:
On Wednesday, September 8, 2021 at 9:20:57 AM UTC-4, Mario Petrinovic wrote:
On 8.9.2021. 15:06, John Harshman wrote:
On 9/8/21 6:01 AM, Mario Petrinovic wrote:
On 8.9.2021. 12:02, *Hemidactylus* wrote:
Peter Nyikos <peter2...@gmail.com> wrote:
Except in the most obvious cases, [biologists] know better than to try andThe Nazis were engaged in a dubious form of artificial selection or >>>>> animal
judge that some trait
is more fit than another. A great deal depends on the environment, >>>>>> which is too unpredictable.
In the last ice age there were gray kangaroos ten feet tall,
because the environment favored large size; today the same species only has six
foot tall kangaroos, because that is what the environment favors. >>>>>>
husbandry in their Master Race schema. But what they were doing wasn’t
entirely eugenics. They pivoted to a hygiene model treating certain >>>>> ethnicities as socially detrimental pathogens needing elimination >>>>> from the
body politic. That may be an important distinction.
I don't know much about what you are writing, but my belief
also is that certain ethnicities (or groups, or types, like
psychopaths) should be eliminated as a form of hygiene.
Using whose criteria? Why do you latch onto Jews right away?
What have they done to you?
Based on the criteria of the majority. Even if I am not part of that majority, and even if this "hygiene" applies on me.
Regarding Jews, aren't they the most notorious example? I mean,
everybody knows everything about Jews.
I could mention other examples,
but then I would need to explain much more.
Regarding me and Jews. I grew up in richer neighborhood, and one of
other two kids in my street is a Jew. So, we were friends from since we
were kids, and we were always in good relationship (and yes, he was, and still is, extremely rich).
The other thing that I know is from history. I know that there were
few percentages of Jews in Zagreb, but they were holding 85 % of all the investments in Zagreb.
Being a guy who is predominantly considered about
justice, I see great injustice in this.
I am wandering what views on
justice have people who don't care about such an imbalance?
After all, Jews were treated like that since Jews exist.
Only by some peoples. The Muslims only sporadically did that.
At other times they were the tolerant ones, treating Jews as "People of the Book".
Leaving old history behind for one line: do you know what the attitude of the Taliban is towards Jews? I don't.
I don't either.
Jews prospered for a long time in some countries, free of "elimination," because they were the entrepreneurs. In WWII the Hungarians were among the Axis
who could not keep the economy going without Jews.
Only after the Germans installed a government of the Hungarian Nazis
("the Arrow Cross") in 1944 did the elimination of Jews really get underway, IIRC.
For sure there was a reason for that.
Until you are sure of the reason, there is no cause for you to play "monkey see, monkey do."
When you are sure, perhaps you won't join it.
I don't have to be sure about the reasons, and I don't act upon other people's reasons. I have my reasons.
But, isn't it significant, never-the-less?
In democracy (as I am seeing it), he who does things to harm
majority, he should be treated as a pest. Isn't this the very
definition of the word "pest"?
The majority can be tragically wrong sometimes.
Oh, definitely. But, they have "the right" to be whatever they want to
be. In other words, they are *always right*, majority is *never* wrong.
Now, you are the one who is imposing *your* religious believes onto
others. And you don't have any right to do so.
"A pest is any animal or plant harmful to humans or human
concerns."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pest_(organism)
I was always a minority, I was always different. I even
declared myself as a minority, while my both parents are Croats, at >>>> one time I declared myself an American, and later, an Italian.
But, whatever I do, I am doing it for the benefit of the
majority, otherwise, why would they tolerate me?
You are being very simplistic here. Need I tell you why?I am always pretty simplistic.
After all, I am
shitting onto their world, it is me who is not to standards, who is >>>> wrong, not them, it is their world, one should have respect for that.
Here in America, there are all kinds of people, with none in the majority any more.
It's a very much more heterogeneous society than Croatia, or Hungary.
Yes, I am aware of that. America is, never-the-less, nothing like
Bosnia, or Afghanistan, for example. Do you really want it to be like Bosnia, or Afghanistan, one day?
Germany does much better without Jews than with Jews. Jews
without Germans are worse than Germans without Jews. Yet, when Jews >>>> were in Germany, it is Jews who were better. They were better than
Germans in German country, yet, if those two compete in their own
countries, it is Germans that are better.
I'm not following this at all. Are you sure you thought about it before you typed it out?Why not? What's wrong with this?
There is a flow (I hope this is the right word, like "fault")
in a system which allows parasites to exploit the host. This is a
natural thing, parasites in nature also exploit system faults. Jews >>>> know about that, and they exploit it shamelessly wherever they can. >>>> The very religion, which doesn't take in new believers,
Zoroastrianism is another such religion, and I suspect there are many others.
tells you that this is a minority that wants to exploit the majority.
"tells you" is ambiguous. I doubt that you'll find evidence that Zoroastrians
want to exploit the majority. What makes you think Jews do?
It is obvious, in my eyes.
Things like that shouldn't be allowed.
I think you are under the spell of the extreme emphasis Communists put on the word "exploit."Yes. And parasites exploit their hosts. If I got the word right. If
I "exploit" supermarkets whenever I buy only things that are on sale below cost. I "exploit" the
rain that falls from the sky and waters my garden for me.
not, please put the right word here, I would really like to know the
right word. Thanks.
Continued in next reply to this post. I will hold off with it until evening, to see whether Harshman or Hemidactylus or Oxyaena give a damn about either Jews
or vaccinations enough to reply to something by either of us on either subject.
On 9/9/21 7:50 AM, Peter Nyikos wrote:
Continued in next reply to this post. I will hold off with it until
evening,
to see whether Harshman or Hemidactylus or Oxyaena give a damn about
either Jews
or vaccinations enough to reply to something by either of us on either
subject.
I have made the choice not to engage further with a rabid anti-semite.
And, apparently, a rabid anti-various other unstated groups, who
proposes extermination as a general solution. You have to draw the line somewhere.
Continued in next reply to this post. I will hold off with it until evening, to see whether Harshman or Hemidactylus or Oxyaena give a damn about either Jews
or vaccinations enough to reply to something by either of us on either subject.
On Wednesday, September 8, 2021 at 10:48:50 PM UTC-4, Mario Petrinovic wrote:
On 9.9.2021. 3:24, Peter Nyikos wrote:
On Wednesday, September 8, 2021 at 9:20:57 AM UTC-4, Mario Petrinovic wrote:
On 8.9.2021. 15:06, John Harshman wrote:
On 9/8/21 6:01 AM, Mario Petrinovic wrote:
On 8.9.2021. 12:02, *Hemidactylus* wrote:
Peter Nyikos <peter2...@gmail.com> wrote:
Except in the most obvious cases, [biologists] know better than to try andThe Nazis were engaged in a dubious form of artificial selection or >>>>>>> animal
judge that some trait
is more fit than another. A great deal depends on the environment, >>>>>>>> which is too unpredictable.
In the last ice age there were gray kangaroos ten feet tall,
because the environment favored large size; today the same species only has six
foot tall kangaroos, because that is what the environment favors. >>>>>>>>
husbandry in their Master Race schema. But what they were doing wasn’t
entirely eugenics. They pivoted to a hygiene model treating certain >>>>>>> ethnicities as socially detrimental pathogens needing elimination >>>>>>> from the
body politic. That may be an important distinction.
I don't know much about what you are writing, but my belief
also is that certain ethnicities (or groups, or types, like
psychopaths) should be eliminated as a form of hygiene.
Using whose criteria? Why do you latch onto Jews right away?
What have they done to you?
Based on the criteria of the majority. Even if I am not part of that
majority, and even if this "hygiene" applies on me.
Regarding Jews, aren't they the most notorious example? I mean,
everybody knows everything about Jews.
Maybe in your part of Croatia [although I doubt it] but certainly
not in the USA. The endless harping on the Holocaust -- not that I
mind most of it, "Schindler's List" was jarring even to me -- drowns out anything negative people here say in the media about Jews.
I could mention other examples,
but then I would need to explain much more.
Regarding me and Jews. I grew up in richer neighborhood, and one of
other two kids in my street is a Jew. So, we were friends from since we
were kids, and we were always in good relationship (and yes, he was, and
still is, extremely rich).
The other thing that I know is from history. I know that there were
few percentages of Jews in Zagreb, but they were holding 85 % of all the
investments in Zagreb.
They know a lot about investing; most people do not. There is nothing said
in our elementary or secondary schools about investing, except savings accounts,
and those are almost worthless these days. They don't even teach you what stocks are for: dividends. Everyone seems to be focused on speculation, buying low and selling high.
Being a guy who is predominantly considered about
justice, I see great injustice in this.
If you think that is injustice, you really ought to read Milovan Djilas's _Land_Without_Justice, about REAL injustices that pervaded his native Montenegro. It was as bad as the "justice" meted out by the Mafia,
and it was built into the very character of the people.
I am wandering what views on
justice have people who don't care about such an imbalance?
Financial imbalances have nothing to do with justice, unless the
riches were unjustly obtained.
Do you think Bill Gates deserves to be lynched just because he is so much more wealthy than almost everyone on earth?
After all, Jews were treated like that since Jews exist.
Only by some peoples. The Muslims only sporadically did that.
At other times they were the tolerant ones, treating Jews as "People of the Book".
Leaving old history behind for one line: do you know what the attitude of the Taliban is towards Jews? I don't.
I don't either.
I learned a lot about that yesterday, after writing the above. The bottom line is here:
the Jews almost all left Afghanistan, after once numbering over 40,000, first to emigrate to Israel after 1948,
then almost all of them after the Soviet involvement in 1979. The other day the last Jew in Afghanistan left:
https://abcnews.go.com/International/wireStory/afghanistans-jew-leaves-taliban-takeover-79893286
As for the Taliban, this is what the article says close to the end:
"The Taliban, like other Islamic militant groups, are hostile to Israel but tolerated the country's miniscule Jewish community during their previous reign."
[Incidentally, the correct spelling is "minuscule".]
By the way, that "last Jew" reminds me of most of the Montenegrins in Djilas's book.
Not someone I'd like to meet.
Jews prospered for a long time in some countries, free of "elimination," >>> because they were the entrepreneurs. In WWII the Hungarians were among the Axis
who could not keep the economy going without Jews.
Only after the Germans installed a government of the Hungarian Nazis
("the Arrow Cross") in 1944 did the elimination of Jews really get underway, IIRC.
For sure there was a reason for that.
Until you are sure of the reason, there is no cause for you to play "monkey see, monkey do."
When you are sure, perhaps you won't join it.
I don't have to be sure about the reasons, and I don't act upon other
people's reasons. I have my reasons.
But, isn't it significant, never-the-less?
Not necessarily, especially since you aren't telling me about your reasons even now.
In democracy (as I am seeing it), he who does things to harm
majority, he should be treated as a pest. Isn't this the very
definition of the word "pest"?
The majority can be tragically wrong sometimes.
One example: the centuries-long mismanagement of the earth's resources.
Like I said a little over an hour ago on
"Humans can do math, hence, humans are intelligent animals",
I foresee the collapse of our civilization by 2300 unless drastic changes are made.
Oh, definitely. But, they have "the right" to be whatever they want to
be. In other words, they are *always right*, majority is *never* wrong.
Aren't you being resentful about the way things are here? You seem
to be complaining about the morality of "Might makes right." That is
the morality of the majority in talk.origins, as far as what they do there goes,
and that is one reason I fight against it.
Now, you are the one who is imposing *your* religious believes onto
others. And you don't have any right to do so.
Not I. Who does "you" refer to?
I am always pretty simplistic."A pest is any animal or plant harmful to humans or human
concerns."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pest_(organism)
I was always a minority, I was always different. I even
declared myself as a minority, while my both parents are Croats, at >>>>>> one time I declared myself an American, and later, an Italian.
But, whatever I do, I am doing it for the benefit of the
majority, otherwise, why would they tolerate me?
You are being very simplistic here. Need I tell you why?
In this case, it's sad that people around you are so intolerant,
that you can't feel free to do things that don't do what the majority
thinks will benefit them.
Here in America, there are all kinds of people, with none in the majority any more.After all, I am
shitting onto their world, it is me who is not to standards, who is >>>>>> wrong, not them, it is their world, one should have respect for that. >>>
It's a very much more heterogeneous society than Croatia, or Hungary.
Yes, I am aware of that. America is, never-the-less, nothing like
Bosnia, or Afghanistan, for example. Do you really want it to be like
Bosnia, or Afghanistan, one day?
Of course not. And the way you write about it, I wouldn't want it to be like Croatia either.
But the point is, here in America most people aren't hostile enough towards Jews
to say the sorts of things you say below.
Why not? What's wrong with this?Germany does much better without Jews than with Jews. Jews
without Germans are worse than Germans without Jews. Yet, when Jews >>>>>> were in Germany, it is Jews who were better. They were better than >>>>>> Germans in German country, yet, if those two compete in their own
countries, it is Germans that are better.
I'm not following this at all. Are you sure you thought about it before you typed it out?
It's hopelessly vague. You don't explain any of your statements.
There is a flow (I hope this is the right word, like "fault")
in a system which allows parasites to exploit the host. This is a
natural thing, parasites in nature also exploit system faults. Jews >>>>>> know about that, and they exploit it shamelessly wherever they can. >>>>>> The very religion, which doesn't take in new believers,
Zoroastrianism is another such religion, and I suspect there are many others.
"tells you" is ambiguous. I doubt that you'll find evidence that Zoroastrianstells you that this is a minority that wants to exploit the majority. >>>
want to exploit the majority. What makes you think Jews do?
It is obvious, in my eyes.
But you can't put it into words?
Yes. And parasites exploit their hosts. If I got the word right. IfThings like that shouldn't be allowed.
I think you are under the spell of the extreme emphasis Communists put on the word "exploit."
I "exploit" supermarkets whenever I buy only things that are on sale below cost. I "exploit" the
rain that falls from the sky and waters my garden for me.
not, please put the right word here, I would really like to know the
right word. Thanks.
You don't explain enough for me to figure out what the right word might be.
Continued in next reply to this post. I will hold off with it until evening, to see whether Harshman or Hemidactylus or Oxyaena give a damn about either Jews
or vaccinations enough to reply to something by either of us on either subject.
Peter Nyikos <peter2...@gmail.com> wrote:
[snip]
Continued in next reply to this post. I will hold off with it until evening,
to see whether Harshman or Hemidactylus or Oxyaena give a damn about either Jews
or vaccinations enough to reply to something by either of us on either subject.
I don’t reply to him because of previous experience. After his recent outbursts about Jews I don’t think engaging him does any good (ditto on vaccines).
Not sure why you felt a need to say what you did about Harshman and I
giving a damn about Jews. A bit uncalled for really.
Do you have impulsivity issues?
On Thursday, September 9, 2021 at 9:35:18 AM UTC-7, *Hemidactylus* wrote:
Peter Nyikos <peter2...@gmail.com> wrote:
[snip]
I don’t reply to him because of previous experience. After his recent
Continued in next reply to this post. I will hold off with it until evening,
to see whether Harshman or Hemidactylus or Oxyaena give a damn about either Jews
or vaccinations enough to reply to something by either of us on either subject.
outbursts about Jews I don’t think engaging him does any good (ditto on
vaccines).
Not sure why you felt a need to say what you did about Harshman and I
giving a damn about Jews. A bit uncalled for really.
Do you have impulsivity issues?
There are so many unpleasant aspects tp Mario's ramblings that it isn't obvious why
Peter is so intrigued with him. This isn't to say that Mario is personally reprehensible, but
he certainly seems to have picked up a bit of bigoted garbage that has floated around in
eastern Europe for at least hundreds of years. (This also isn't to say that similar bigoted garbage
hasn't floated around western Europe and pretty much everywhere else, but the tone of the
garbage is often regionally characteristic.) I am not familiar with Hungarian bigotry although
i'm sure it's a thing, or whether Peter has sensed something about Mario's ranting that rings
some bell. I am sure that Peter's insults would continue whether you gave a damn about Jews or not.
That said, I'm through with this thread as it's going nowhere interesting.
On 9/9/21 7:50 AM, Peter Nyikos wrote:
Continued in next reply to this post. I will hold off with it until evening,
to see whether Harshman or Hemidactylus or Oxyaena give a damn about either Jews
or vaccinations enough to reply to something by either of us on either subject.
I have made the choice not to engage further with a rabid anti-semite.
And, apparently, a rabid anti-various other unstated groups, who
proposes extermination as a general solution. You have to draw the line somewhere.
On 9.9.2021. 16:50, Peter Nyikos wrote:
They know a lot about investing; most people do not. There is nothing said in our elementary or secondary schools about investing, except savings accounts,
and those are almost worthless these days. They don't even teach you what stocks are for: dividends. Everyone seems to be focused on speculation, buying low and selling high.
You can find just any excuse. The fact is, they don't expand their
religion, for the sake of exploiting the hosts.
They are organized in
that way. If they would expand their religion, this mean business
wouldn't work.
Being a guy who is predominantly considered about
justice, I see great injustice in this.
If you think that is injustice, you really ought to read Milovan Djilas's _Land_Without_Justice, about REAL injustices that pervaded his native Montenegro. It was as bad as the "justice" meted out by the Mafia,
and it was built into the very character of the people.
I am wandering what views on
justice have people who don't care about such an imbalance?
Financial imbalances have nothing to do with justice, unless the
riches were unjustly obtained.
Do you think Bill Gates deserves to be lynched just because he is so much more wealthy than almost everyone on earth?
Do you think that "robber barons" shouldn't be dealt with?
Monopoly is unjust. If you have two brothers among 10 people, those two are twice as
strong as any of the other 8. Of course they will prevail. Jews prevail because they are organized. They prevail on their behalf, and to the
harm of the host. Now, if those 2 brothers do this to the other 8, what should other 8 do? 8 people should watch how those 2 exploit them? Why?
Just because those are 2, and this 8 are single? This 8 can do to those
2 whatever they think they should, those 2 deserved it. It is not their
place in that company, because they are so unfriendly, and so mean,
towards the others.
The business of Bill Gates enriches the American community.
Difficult though it is for you and Harshman and Hemidactylus and Oxyaena to understand,
I distinguish between knowingly engaging in despicable behavior and being the victim of believing things
that just aren't true, for reasons rooted in one's milieu.
This isn't to say that Mario is personally reprehensible, but
he certainly seems to have picked up a bit of bigoted garbage that has floated around in
eastern Europe for at least hundreds of years. (This also isn't to say that similar bigoted garbage
hasn't floated around western Europe and pretty much everywhere else, but the tone of the
garbage is often regionally characteristic.) I am not familiar with Hungarian bigotry although
i'm sure it's a thing, or whether Peter has sensed something about Mario's ranting that rings
some bell.
I know too little about Hungarian bigotry that isn't half a century ago to comment.
I do know a bit about "woke" bigotry that the EU is aggressively strong-arming Hungary with,
but I'd rather not go into detail about it.
Peter Nyikos
On Thursday, September 9, 2021 at 11:59:22 AM UTC-4, John Harshman wrote:
On 9/9/21 7:50 AM, Peter Nyikos wrote:
Continued in next reply to this post. I will hold off with it until evening,
to see whether Harshman or Hemidactylus or Oxyaena give a damn about either Jews
or vaccinations enough to reply to something by either of us on either subject.
I have made the choice not to engage further with a rabid anti-semite.
And, apparently, a rabid anti-various other unstated groups, who
proposes extermination as a general solution. You have to draw the line
somewhere.
How about posting on the subject of the coronavirus, or vaccination? Here is something in the
article that Hemidactylus linked which I find puzzling:
"These spikes, by themselves, are not dangerous. They can't make anyone sick."
https://www.webmd.com/lung/news/20210719/covid-19-vaccines-not-gene-therapy
What is it, then, about the virus that makes some people deathly sick? Some other part of the
virus that our antibodies are unable to target?
On Thursday, September 9, 2021 at 9:35:18 AM UTC-7, *Hemidactylus* wrote:
Peter Nyikos <peter2...@gmail.com> wrote:
[snip]
Continued in next reply to this post. I will hold off with it until evening,
to see whether Harshman or Hemidactylus or Oxyaena give a damn about either Jews
or vaccinations enough to reply to something by either of us on either subject.
I don’t reply to him because of previous experience. After his recent outbursts about Jews I don’t think engaging him does any good (ditto on vaccines).
Not sure why you felt a need to say what you did about Harshman and I giving a damn about Jews. A bit uncalled for really.
Do you have impulsivity issues?
There are so many unpleasant aspects tp Mario's ramblings that it isn't obvious why
Peter is so intrigued with him.
This isn't to say that Mario is personally reprehensible, but
he certainly seems to have picked up a bit of bigoted garbage that has floated around in
eastern Europe for at least hundreds of years. (This also isn't to say that similar bigoted garbage
hasn't floated around western Europe and pretty much everywhere else, but the tone of the
garbage is often regionally characteristic.) I am not familiar with Hungarian bigotry although
i'm sure it's a thing, or whether Peter has sensed something about Mario's ranting that rings
some bell.
I am sure that Peter's insults would continue whether you gave a damn about Jews or not.
That said, I'm through with this thread as it's going nowhere interesting.
On Wednesday, September 8, 2021 at 10:48:50 PM UTC-4, Mario Petrinovic wrote:
On 9.9.2021. 3:24, Peter Nyikos wrote:
On Wednesday, September 8, 2021 at 9:20:57 AM UTC-4, Mario Petrinovic wrote:
On 8.9.2021. 15:06, John Harshman wrote:
On 9/8/21 6:01 AM, Mario Petrinovic wrote:
On 8.9.2021. 12:02, *Hemidactylus* wrote:
Peter Nyikos <peter2...@gmail.com> wrote:
Except in the most obvious cases, [biologists] know better than to try andThe Nazis were engaged in a dubious form of artificial selection or >>>>>>> animal
judge that some trait
is more fit than another. A great deal depends on the environment, >>>>>>>> which is too unpredictable.
In the last ice age there were gray kangaroos ten feet tall,
because the environment favored large size; today the same species only has six
foot tall kangaroos, because that is what the environment favors. >>>>>>>>
husbandry in their Master Race schema. But what they were doing wasn’t
entirely eugenics. They pivoted to a hygiene model treating certain >>>>>>> ethnicities as socially detrimental pathogens needing elimination >>>>>>> from the
body politic. That may be an important distinction.
I don't know much about what you are writing, but my belief
also is that certain ethnicities (or groups, or types, like
psychopaths) should be eliminated as a form of hygiene.
Using whose criteria? Why do you latch onto Jews right away?
What have they done to you?
Based on the criteria of the majority. Even if I am not part of that
majority, and even if this "hygiene" applies on me.
Regarding Jews, aren't they the most notorious example? I mean,
everybody knows everything about Jews.
Maybe in your part of Croatia [although I doubt it] but certainly
not in the USA. The endless harping on the Holocaust -- not that I
mind most of it, "Schindler's List" was jarring even to me -- drowns out anything negative people here say in the media about Jews.
I could mention other examples,
but then I would need to explain much more.
Regarding me and Jews. I grew up in richer neighborhood, and one of
other two kids in my street is a Jew. So, we were friends from since we
were kids, and we were always in good relationship (and yes, he was, and
still is, extremely rich).
The other thing that I know is from history. I know that there were
few percentages of Jews in Zagreb, but they were holding 85 % of all the
investments in Zagreb.
They know a lot about investing; most people do not. There is nothing said
in our elementary or secondary schools about investing, except savings accounts,
and those are almost worthless these days. They don't even teach you what stocks are for: dividends. Everyone seems to be focused on speculation, buying low and selling high.
Being a guy who is predominantly considered about
justice, I see great injustice in this.
If you think that is injustice, you really ought to read Milovan Djilas's _Land_Without_Justice, about REAL injustices that pervaded his native Montenegro. It was as bad as the "justice" meted out by the Mafia,
and it was built into the very character of the people.
I am wandering what views on
justice have people who don't care about such an imbalance?
Financial imbalances have nothing to do with justice, unless the
riches were unjustly obtained.
Do you think Bill Gates deserves to be lynched just because he is so much more wealthy than almost everyone on earth?
After all, Jews were treated like that since Jews exist.
Only by some peoples. The Muslims only sporadically did that.
At other times they were the tolerant ones, treating Jews as "People of the Book".
Leaving old history behind for one line: do you know what the attitude of the Taliban is towards Jews? I don't.
I don't either.
I learned a lot about that yesterday, after writing the above. The bottom line is here:
the Jews almost all left Afghanistan, after once numbering over 40,000, first to emigrate to Israel after 1948,
then almost all of them after the Soviet involvement in 1979. The other day the last Jew in Afghanistan left:
https://abcnews.go.com/International/wireStory/afghanistans-jew-leaves-taliban-takeover-79893286
As for the Taliban, this is what the article says close to the end:
"The Taliban, like other Islamic militant groups, are hostile to Israel but tolerated the country's miniscule Jewish community during their previous reign."
[Incidentally, the correct spelling is "minuscule".]
By the way, that "last Jew" reminds me of most of the Montenegrins in Djilas's book.
Not someone I'd like to meet.
Jews prospered for a long time in some countries, free of "elimination," >>> because they were the entrepreneurs. In WWII the Hungarians were among the Axis
who could not keep the economy going without Jews.
Only after the Germans installed a government of the Hungarian Nazis
("the Arrow Cross") in 1944 did the elimination of Jews really get underway, IIRC.
For sure there was a reason for that.
Until you are sure of the reason, there is no cause for you to play "monkey see, monkey do."
When you are sure, perhaps you won't join it.
I don't have to be sure about the reasons, and I don't act upon other
people's reasons. I have my reasons.
But, isn't it significant, never-the-less?
Not necessarily, especially since you aren't telling me about your reasons even now.
In democracy (as I am seeing it), he who does things to harm
majority, he should be treated as a pest. Isn't this the very
definition of the word "pest"?
The majority can be tragically wrong sometimes.
One example: the centuries-long mismanagement of the earth's resources.
Like I said a little over an hour ago on
"Humans can do math, hence, humans are intelligent animals",
I foresee the collapse of our civilization by 2300 unless drastic changes are made.
Oh, definitely. But, they have "the right" to be whatever they want to
be. In other words, they are *always right*, majority is *never* wrong.
Aren't you being resentful about the way things are here? You seem
to be complaining about the morality of "Might makes right." That is
the morality of the majority in talk.origins, as far as what they do there goes,
and that is one reason I fight against it.
Now, you are the one who is imposing *your* religious believes onto
others. And you don't have any right to do so.
Not I. Who does "you" refer to?
I am always pretty simplistic."A pest is any animal or plant harmful to humans or human
concerns."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pest_(organism)
I was always a minority, I was always different. I even
declared myself as a minority, while my both parents are Croats, at >>>>>> one time I declared myself an American, and later, an Italian.
But, whatever I do, I am doing it for the benefit of the
majority, otherwise, why would they tolerate me?
You are being very simplistic here. Need I tell you why?
In this case, it's sad that people around you are so intolerant,
that you can't feel free to do things that don't do what the majority
thinks will benefit them.
Here in America, there are all kinds of people, with none in the majority any more.After all, I am
shitting onto their world, it is me who is not to standards, who is >>>>>> wrong, not them, it is their world, one should have respect for that. >>>
It's a very much more heterogeneous society than Croatia, or Hungary.
Yes, I am aware of that. America is, never-the-less, nothing like
Bosnia, or Afghanistan, for example. Do you really want it to be like
Bosnia, or Afghanistan, one day?
Of course not. And the way you write about it, I wouldn't want it to be like Croatia either.
But the point is, here in America most people aren't hostile enough towards Jews
to say the sorts of things you say below.
Continued in next reply to this post. I will hold off with it until evening, to see whether Harshman or Hemidactylus or Oxyaena give a damn about either Jews
or vaccinations enough to reply to something by either of us on either subject.
Peter Nyikos
On 9.9.2021. 21:10, erik simpson wrote:
On Thursday, September 9, 2021 at 9:35:18 AM UTC-7, *Hemidactylus* wrote:
Peter Nyikos <peter2...@gmail.com> wrote:
[snip]
I don’t reply to him because of previous experience. After his recent >> outbursts about Jews I don’t think engaging him does any good (ditto on >> vaccines).
Continued in next reply to this post. I will hold off with it until evening,
to see whether Harshman or Hemidactylus or Oxyaena give a damn about either Jews
or vaccinations enough to reply to something by either of us on either subject.
Not sure why you felt a need to say what you did about Harshman and I
giving a damn about Jews. A bit uncalled for really.
Do you have impulsivity issues?
There are so many unpleasant aspects tp Mario's ramblings that it isn't obvious whyI would just ask you to hold your horses a bit. I am not your wrecking
Peter is so intrigued with him. This isn't to say that Mario is personally reprehensible, but
he certainly seems to have picked up a bit of bigoted garbage that has floated around in
eastern Europe for at least hundreds of years. (This also isn't to say that similar bigoted garbage
hasn't floated around western Europe and pretty much everywhere else, but the tone of the
garbage is often regionally characteristic.) I am not familiar with Hungarian bigotry although
i'm sure it's a thing, or whether Peter has sensed something about Mario's ranting that rings
some bell. I am sure that Peter's insults would continue whether you gave a damn about Jews or not.
That said, I'm through with this thread as it's going nowhere interesting.
beg.
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https://groups.google.com/g/human-evolution
human-e...@googlegroups.com
On 9/9/2021 10:50 AM, Peter Nyikos wrote:
On Wednesday, September 8, 2021 at 10:48:50 PM UTC-4, Mario Petrinovic wrote:
On 9.9.2021. 3:24, Peter Nyikos wrote:
On Wednesday, September 8, 2021 at 9:20:57 AM UTC-4, Mario Petrinovic wrote:
On 8.9.2021. 15:06, John Harshman wrote:
On 9/8/21 6:01 AM, Mario Petrinovic wrote:
On 8.9.2021. 12:02, *Hemidactylus* wrote:
Peter Nyikos <peter2...@gmail.com> wrote:
Except in the most obvious cases, [biologists] know better than to try andThe Nazis were engaged in a dubious form of artificial selection or >>>>>>> animal
judge that some trait
is more fit than another. A great deal depends on the environment, >>>>>>>> which is too unpredictable.
In the last ice age there were gray kangaroos ten feet tall, >>>>>>>> because the environment favored large size; today the same species only has six
foot tall kangaroos, because that is what the environment favors. >>>>>>>>
husbandry in their Master Race schema. But what they were doing wasn’t
entirely eugenics. They pivoted to a hygiene model treating certain >>>>>>> ethnicities as socially detrimental pathogens needing elimination >>>>>>> from the
body politic. That may be an important distinction.
I don't know much about what you are writing, but my belief
also is that certain ethnicities (or groups, or types, like
psychopaths) should be eliminated as a form of hygiene.
Using whose criteria? Why do you latch onto Jews right away?
What have they done to you?
Based on the criteria of the majority. Even if I am not part of that
majority, and even if this "hygiene" applies on me.
Regarding Jews, aren't they the most notorious example? I mean,
everybody knows everything about Jews.
Maybe in your part of Croatia [although I doubt it] but certainly
not in the USA. The endless harping on the Holocaust -- not that I
mind most of it, "Schindler's List" was jarring even to me -- drowns out anything negative people here say in the media about Jews.
I have to agree that the Holocaust receives a bit too much attention compared to other genocides and atrocities, like the Native American Holocaust, or the Naqba when the Zionists ethnically cleansed Palestine
of almost all of its indigenous people.
I could mention other examples,
but then I would need to explain much more.
Regarding me and Jews. I grew up in richer neighborhood, and one of
other two kids in my street is a Jew. So, we were friends from since we >> were kids, and we were always in good relationship (and yes, he was, and >> still is, extremely rich).
The other thing that I know is from history. I know that there were
few percentages of Jews in Zagreb, but they were holding 85 % of all the >> investments in Zagreb.
They know a lot about investing; most people do not. There is nothing said in our elementary or secondary schools about investing, except savings accounts,
and those are almost worthless these days. They don't even teach you what stocks are for: dividends. Everyone seems to be focused on speculation, buying low and selling high.
The reason Jewish people have the stereotype of being good at investing
is because back in the day, they were barred from most other
professions. The only way for a Jew to feed themselves and their family
was often banking, so that's what they did.
Being a guy who is predominantly considered about
justice, I see great injustice in this.
If you think that is injustice, you really ought to read Milovan Djilas's _Land_Without_Justice, about REAL injustices that pervaded his native Montenegro. It was as bad as the "justice" meted out by the Mafia,
and it was built into the very character of the people.
I am wandering what views on
justice have people who don't care about such an imbalance?
Financial imbalances have nothing to do with justice, unless the
riches were unjustly obtained.
You think the riches of landlords were justly gained? Landlords are
social parasites profiting off of the need of people to have shelter.
On 9/9/21 12:16 PM, Peter Nyikos wrote:
On Thursday, September 9, 2021 at 11:59:22 AM UTC-4, John Harshman wrote:
On 9/9/21 7:50 AM, Peter Nyikos wrote:
Continued in next reply to this post. I will hold off with it until evening,
to see whether Harshman or Hemidactylus or Oxyaena give a damn about either Jews
or vaccinations enough to reply to something by either of us on either subject.
I have made the choice not to engage further with a rabid anti-semite.
And, apparently, a rabid anti-various other unstated groups, who
proposes extermination as a general solution. You have to draw the line
somewhere.
How about posting on the subject of the coronavirus, or vaccination? Here is something in the
article that Hemidactylus linked which I find puzzling:
"These spikes, by themselves, are not dangerous. They can't make anyone sick."
https://www.webmd.com/lung/news/20210719/covid-19-vaccines-not-gene-therapy
What is it, then, about the virus that makes some people deathly sick? Some other part of the
virus that our antibodies are unable to target?
What makes you sick, presumably, is all the virus replicating and lysing
your cells to get out. Certainly not the spike protein.
On Thursday, September 9, 2021 at 12:23:50 PM UTC-4, Mario Petrinovic wrote:
On 9.9.2021. 16:50, Peter Nyikos wrote:
They know a lot about investing; most people do not. There is nothing said >>> in our elementary or secondary schools about investing, except savings accounts,
and those are almost worthless these days. They don't even teach you what >>> stocks are for: dividends. Everyone seems to be focused on speculation,
buying low and selling high.
You can find just any excuse. The fact is, they don't expand their
religion, for the sake of exploiting the hosts.
There you go, completely disregarding what I wrote about Zoroastrians.
Small wonder: it makes this comment of yours worthless without additional evidence.
They are organized in
that way. If they would expand their religion, this mean business
wouldn't work.
Being a guy who is predominantly considered about
justice, I see great injustice in this.
If you think that is injustice, you really ought to read Milovan Djilas's >>> _Land_Without_Justice, about REAL injustices that pervaded his native
Montenegro. It was as bad as the "justice" meted out by the Mafia,
and it was built into the very character of the people.
Will you go on disregarding this? Are you planning to go on talking
about financial imbalances being injustice despite what you wrote
below about Bill Gates?
I am wandering what views on
justice have people who don't care about such an imbalance?
Financial imbalances have nothing to do with justice, unless the
riches were unjustly obtained.
Do you think Bill Gates deserves to be lynched just because he is so much >>> more wealthy than almost everyone on earth?
Do you think that "robber barons" shouldn't be dealt with?
No, and I believe Gates deserves to be fined at least a billion dollars
for destroying Netscape. Not content with having taken it over, he
made sure that thousands of urls to Netscape articles would never work any more.
Sort of like the Romans sowing the ground of Carthage with salt after
razing the city to the ground.
There was a time when Netscape seemed almost synonymous with the Internet. [Roughly 1993 - 2000.] When was the last time you heard anything about it?
Monopoly is unjust. If you have two brothers among 10 people, those two are twice as
strong as any of the other 8. Of course they will prevail. Jews prevail
because they are organized. They prevail on their behalf, and to the
harm of the host. Now, if those 2 brothers do this to the other 8, what
should other 8 do? 8 people should watch how those 2 exploit them? Why?
Just because those are 2, and this 8 are single? This 8 can do to those
2 whatever they think they should, those 2 deserved it. It is not their
place in that company, because they are so unfriendly, and so mean,
towards the others.
Even if this fable is based on reality, it is nothing compared to what Bill Gates has done.
The hypocrite put a measly $100,000 to a propaganda campaign to make Californians vote themselves
a $300,000,000 increase in their taxes to support "embryonic stem cell research."
Bill Gates could easily have footed the whole bill himself, but he was clever enough
[you might prefer to say "Jewish enough"] to hedge his bets big-time, and his hedging
paid off: nothing of medical value has emerged from it in a decade and a half,
while "adult" [actually anything that isn't almost totipotent] stem cells have worked
one medical triumph after another.
The business of Bill Gates enriches the American community.
I'd like to see you try to defend this. Microsoft is still pursuing monopoly-type
practices, and I'm sure Bill Gates is very happy about it. And also about how so much computer related hardware, including laptops like mine, is outsourced to China.
On Thursday, September 9, 2021 at 12:21:41 PM UTC-7, Mario Petrinovic wrote:
On 9.9.2021. 21:10, erik simpson wrote:
On Thursday, September 9, 2021 at 9:35:18 AM UTC-7, *Hemidactylus* wrote: >>>> Peter Nyikos <peter2...@gmail.com> wrote:beg.
[snip]
I don’t reply to him because of previous experience. After his recent >>>> outbursts about Jews I don’t think engaging him does any good (ditto on >>>> vaccines).
Continued in next reply to this post. I will hold off with it until evening,
to see whether Harshman or Hemidactylus or Oxyaena give a damn about either Jews
or vaccinations enough to reply to something by either of us on either subject.
Not sure why you felt a need to say what you did about Harshman and I
giving a damn about Jews. A bit uncalled for really.
Do you have impulsivity issues?
There are so many unpleasant aspects tp Mario's ramblings that it isn't obvious why
Peter is so intrigued with him. This isn't to say that Mario is personally reprehensible, but
he certainly seems to have picked up a bit of bigoted garbage that has floated around in
eastern Europe for at least hundreds of years. (This also isn't to say that similar bigoted garbage
hasn't floated around western Europe and pretty much everywhere else, but the tone of the
garbage is often regionally characteristic.) I am not familiar with Hungarian bigotry although
i'm sure it's a thing, or whether Peter has sensed something about Mario's ranting that rings
some bell. I am sure that Peter's insults would continue whether you gave a damn about Jews or not.
That said, I'm through with this thread as it's going nowhere interesting. >> I would just ask you to hold your horses a bit. I am not your wrecking
If I offended, I beg your pardon. My understanding of you is of a man of some native intelligence
who didn't get a very good education. As a result, you trust your personal experience and intuition
over the advice of "experts" or "leaders" who proved frequently wrong. If my experience had been the
same, I'd probably hold a similar postion to yours. But I'm lucky enough to have had a good education, so
I have higher regard for the expertise of those who aren't usually wrong. (By "wrecking beg" I assume you meant
"punching bag"?) If so, I've no intention of punching you or anyone else. At my age, I couldn't do much damage
anyway. I hope you come to recognize that there is reliable knowledge that comes from outside your own
experience. Good luck.
On 9.9.2021. 23:25, erik simpson wrote:
On Thursday, September 9, 2021 at 12:21:41 PM UTC-7, Mario Petrinovic wrote:
On 9.9.2021. 21:10, erik simpson wrote:
On Thursday, September 9, 2021 at 9:35:18 AM UTC-7, *Hemidactylus* wrote:I would just ask you to hold your horses a bit. I am not your wrecking
Peter Nyikos <peter2...@gmail.com> wrote:
[snip]
I don’t reply to him because of previous experience. After his recent >>>> outbursts about Jews I don’t think engaging him does any good (ditto on
Continued in next reply to this post. I will hold off with it until evening,
to see whether Harshman or Hemidactylus or Oxyaena give a damn about either Jews
or vaccinations enough to reply to something by either of us on either subject.
vaccines).
Not sure why you felt a need to say what you did about Harshman and I >>>> giving a damn about Jews. A bit uncalled for really.
Do you have impulsivity issues?
There are so many unpleasant aspects tp Mario's ramblings that it isn't obvious why
Peter is so intrigued with him. This isn't to say that Mario is personally reprehensible, but
he certainly seems to have picked up a bit of bigoted garbage that has floated around in
eastern Europe for at least hundreds of years. (This also isn't to say that similar bigoted garbage
hasn't floated around western Europe and pretty much everywhere else, but the tone of the
garbage is often regionally characteristic.) I am not familiar with Hungarian bigotry although
i'm sure it's a thing, or whether Peter has sensed something about Mario's ranting that rings
some bell. I am sure that Peter's insults would continue whether you gave a damn about Jews or not.
That said, I'm through with this thread as it's going nowhere interesting.
beg.
If I offended, I beg your pardon. My understanding of you is of a man of some native intelligenceThanks for the nice reply.
who didn't get a very good education. As a result, you trust your personal experience and intuition
over the advice of "experts" or "leaders" who proved frequently wrong. If my experience had been the
same, I'd probably hold a similar postion to yours. But I'm lucky enough to have had a good education, so
I have higher regard for the expertise of those who aren't usually wrong. (By "wrecking beg" I assume you meant
"punching bag"?) If so, I've no intention of punching you or anyone else. At my age, I couldn't do much damage
anyway. I hope you come to recognize that there is reliable knowledge that comes from outside your own
experience. Good luck.
Yes, punching bag.
Your view of me is accurate.
But, it wasn't what you wrote. You started that I am unpleasant, and
not worthy anybody's time. Then you continued about bigoted garbage from eastern Europe. And then it turned out that it isn't only at that low
level, but suddenly it is also from western Europe. Then it turned out
that it is actually the whole world.
So, you started with something like, he is bubbling some strange sh.t,
and ended up that actually it is strange not to bubble this same sh.t, because the whole world is doing it (everybody except you, actually).
So, now what? Am I worthless (because I am not important), or is your denying of what the whole world is doing, actually, worthless?
--
https://groups.google.com/g/human-evolution
human-e...@googlegroups.com
On 9/9/2021 10:50 AM, Peter Nyikos wrote:
On Wednesday, September 8, 2021 at 10:48:50 PM UTC-4, Mario Petrinovic
wrote:
On 9.9.2021. 3:24, Peter Nyikos wrote:
On Wednesday, September 8, 2021 at 9:20:57 AM UTC-4, Mario
Petrinovic wrote:
On 8.9.2021. 15:06, John Harshman wrote:
On 9/8/21 6:01 AM, Mario Petrinovic wrote:
On 8.9.2021. 12:02, *Hemidactylus* wrote:
Peter Nyikos <peter2...@gmail.com> wrote:
Except in the most obvious cases, [biologists] know better than >>>>>>>>> to try andThe Nazis were engaged in a dubious form of artificial selection or >>>>>>>> animal
judge that some trait
is more fit than another. A great deal depends on the environment, >>>>>>>>> which is too unpredictable.
In the last ice age there were gray kangaroos ten feet tall, >>>>>>>>> because the environment favored large size; today the same
species only has six
foot tall kangaroos, because that is what the environment favors. >>>>>>>>>
husbandry in their Master Race schema. But what they were doing >>>>>>>> wasn’t
entirely eugenics. They pivoted to a hygiene model treating certain >>>>>>>> ethnicities as socially detrimental pathogens needing elimination >>>>>>>> from the
body politic. That may be an important distinction.
I don't know much about what you are writing, but my belief
also is that certain ethnicities (or groups, or types, like
psychopaths) should be eliminated as a form of hygiene.
Using whose criteria? Why do you latch onto Jews right away?
What have they done to you?
Based on the criteria of the majority. Even if I am not part of that
majority, and even if this "hygiene" applies on me.
Regarding Jews, aren't they the most notorious example? I mean,
everybody knows everything about Jews.
Maybe in your part of Croatia [although I doubt it] but certainly
not in the USA. The endless harping on the Holocaust -- not that I
mind most of it, "Schindler's List" was jarring even to me -- drowns out
anything negative people here say in the media about Jews.
I have to agree that the Holocaust receives a bit too much attention
compared to other genocides and atrocities, like the Native American Holocaust, or the Naqba when the Zionists ethnically cleansed Palestine
of almost all of its indigenous people.
I could mention other examples,
but then I would need to explain much more.
Regarding me and Jews. I grew up in richer neighborhood, and one of
other two kids in my street is a Jew. So, we were friends from since we
were kids, and we were always in good relationship (and yes, he was, and >>> still is, extremely rich).
The other thing that I know is from history. I know that there were
few percentages of Jews in Zagreb, but they were holding 85 % of all the >>> investments in Zagreb.
They know a lot about investing; most people do not. There is nothing
said
in our elementary or secondary schools about investing, except savings
accounts,
and those are almost worthless these days. They don't even teach you what
stocks are for: dividends. Everyone seems to be focused on speculation,
buying low and selling high.
The reason Jewish people have the stereotype of being good at investing
is because back in the day, they were barred from most other
professions. The only way for a Jew to feed themselves and their family
was often banking, so that's what they did.
Being a guy who is predominantly considered about
justice, I see great injustice in this.
If you think that is injustice, you really ought to read Milovan Djilas's
_Land_Without_Justice, about REAL injustices that pervaded his native
Montenegro. It was as bad as the "justice" meted out by the Mafia,
and it was built into the very character of the people.
I am wandering what views on
justice have people who don't care about such an imbalance?
Financial imbalances have nothing to do with justice, unless the
riches were unjustly obtained.
You think the riches of landlords were justly gained? Landlords are
social parasites profiting off of the need of people to have shelter.
There is nothing "just" about the relationship between a landlord and a tenant, anymore than there is between a feudal lord and a serf. The
power imbalance is just too great. Sure you can say the tenant has a "choice," but it's not really a choice when your options are to either
rent or suffer homelessness.
Do you think Bill Gates deserves to be lynched just because he is so much
more wealthy than almost everyone on earth?
Yes. One does not make a billion dollars ethically. You know how many
years it'd take to make a billion dollars doing honest work? Two million years. Does that sound like a single human lifetime to you? The reason
Bill Gates is so wealthy is because he benefits from a system that is overwhelmingly built in place to prop up people like Gates. Social
mobility is a farce under capitalism. Poverty is not a fluke of the
system, it's a feature.
After all, Jews were treated like that since Jews exist.
Only by some peoples. The Muslims only sporadically did that.
At other times they were the tolerant ones, treating Jews as "People
of the Book".
Leaving old history behind for one line: do you know what the
attitude of the Taliban is towards Jews? I don't.
I don't either.
I learned a lot about that yesterday, after writing the above. The
bottom line is here:
the Jews almost all left Afghanistan, after once numbering over
40,000, first to emigrate to Israel after 1948,
then almost all of them after the Soviet involvement in 1979. The
other day the last Jew in Afghanistan left:
https://abcnews.go.com/International/wireStory/afghanistans-jew-leaves-taliban-takeover-79893286
As for the Taliban, this is what the article says close to the end:
"The Taliban, like other Islamic militant groups, are hostile to
Israel but tolerated the country's miniscule Jewish community during
their previous reign."
[Incidentally, the correct spelling is "minuscule".]
By the way, that "last Jew" reminds me of most of the Montenegrins in
Djilas's book.
Not someone I'd like to meet.
Jews prospered for a long time in some countries, free of
"elimination,"
because they were the entrepreneurs. In WWII the Hungarians were
among the Axis
who could not keep the economy going without Jews.
Only after the Germans installed a government of the Hungarian Nazis
("the Arrow Cross") in 1944 did the elimination of Jews really get
underway, IIRC.
For sure there was a reason for that.
Until you are sure of the reason, there is no cause for you to play
"monkey see, monkey do."
When you are sure, perhaps you won't join it.
I don't have to be sure about the reasons, and I don't act upon other
people's reasons. I have my reasons.
But, isn't it significant, never-the-less?
Not necessarily, especially since you aren't telling me about your
reasons even now.
In democracy (as I am seeing it), he who does things to harm
majority, he should be treated as a pest. Isn't this the very
definition of the word "pest"?
The majority can be tragically wrong sometimes.
One example: the centuries-long mismanagement of the earth's resources.
Like I said a little over an hour ago on
"Humans can do math, hence, humans are intelligent animals",
I foresee the collapse of our civilization by 2300 unless drastic
changes are made.
Like abolishing capitalism. Capitalism is the reason we are facing the current crises we have. You don't fix a problem by using the very same
thing that made that problem in the first place.
Oh, definitely. But, they have "the right" to be whatever they want to
be. In other words, they are *always right*, majority is *never* wrong.
Aren't you being resentful about the way things are here? You seem
to be complaining about the morality of "Might makes right." That is
the morality of the majority in talk.origins, as far as what they do
there goes,
and that is one reason I fight against it.
Yeah fuck off, talk.origins has nothing to do with this thread.
Now, you are the one who is imposing *your* religious believes onto
others. And you don't have any right to do so.
Not I. Who does "you" refer to?
I am always pretty simplistic."A pest is any animal or plant harmful to humans or human
concerns."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pest_(organism)
I was always a minority, I was always different. I even
declared myself as a minority, while my both parents are Croats, at >>>>>>> one time I declared myself an American, and later, an Italian.
But, whatever I do, I am doing it for the benefit of the
majority, otherwise, why would they tolerate me?
You are being very simplistic here. Need I tell you why?
In this case, it's sad that people around you are so intolerant,
that you can't feel free to do things that don't do what the majority
thinks will benefit them.
After all, I am
shitting onto their world, it is me who is not to standards, who is >>>>>>> wrong, not them, it is their world, one should have respect for
that.
Here in America, there are all kinds of people, with none in the
majority any more.
It's a very much more heterogeneous society than Croatia, or Hungary.
Yes, I am aware of that. America is, never-the-less, nothing like
Bosnia, or Afghanistan, for example. Do you really want it to be like
Bosnia, or Afghanistan, one day?
Of course not. And the way you write about it, I wouldn't want it to
be like Croatia either.
America is a big part of the reason why the former Yugoslavia and
Afghanistan are in such poor straits nowadays, which you'd know if you bothered to read up on the social sciences.
But the point is, here in America most people aren't hostile enough
towards Jews
to say the sorts of things you say below.
My girlfriend's Jewish. I don't know why you're tolerating discussion
with a fucking Nazi.
Continued in next reply to this post. I will hold off with it until
evening,
to see whether Harshman or Hemidactylus or Oxyaena give a damn about
either Jews
or vaccinations enough to reply to something by either of us on either
subject.
Go fuck yourself, Peter.
On Thursday, September 9, 2021 at 4:30:32 PM UTC-4, John Harshman wrote:
On 9/9/21 12:16 PM, Peter Nyikos wrote:
On Thursday, September 9, 2021 at 11:59:22 AM UTC-4, John Harshman wrote: >>>> On 9/9/21 7:50 AM, Peter Nyikos wrote:
Continued in next reply to this post. I will hold off with it until evening,
to see whether Harshman or Hemidactylus or Oxyaena give a damn about either Jews
or vaccinations enough to reply to something by either of us on either subject.
I have made the choice not to engage further with a rabid anti-semite. >>>> And, apparently, a rabid anti-various other unstated groups, who
proposes extermination as a general solution. You have to draw the line >>>> somewhere.
How about posting on the subject of the coronavirus, or vaccination? Here is something in the
article that Hemidactylus linked which I find puzzling:
"These spikes, by themselves, are not dangerous. They can't make anyone sick."
https://www.webmd.com/lung/news/20210719/covid-19-vaccines-not-gene-therapy >>>
What is it, then, about the virus that makes some people deathly sick? Some other part of the
virus that our antibodies are unable to target?
What makes you sick, presumably, is all the virus replicating and lysing
your cells to get out. Certainly not the spike protein.
Thanks. Strangely enough, I never read about that lysing feature. Somehow I imagined
the viruses exiting the way the spike proteins molecules produced by mRNA vaccines exit one at a time,
to where they can be detected by the immune system, and without their exits causing
major damage to the cells.
On 9/9/21 5:37 PM, Peter Nyikos wrote:
On Thursday, September 9, 2021 at 4:30:32 PM UTC-4, John Harshman wrote:
On 9/9/21 12:16 PM, Peter Nyikos wrote:
On Thursday, September 9, 2021 at 11:59:22 AM UTC-4, John Harshman
wrote:
On 9/9/21 7:50 AM, Peter Nyikos wrote:
Continued in next reply to this post. I will hold off with it
until evening,
to see whether Harshman or Hemidactylus or Oxyaena give a damn
about either Jews
or vaccinations enough to reply to something by either of us on
either subject.
I have made the choice not to engage further with a rabid anti-semite. >>>>> And, apparently, a rabid anti-various other unstated groups, who
proposes extermination as a general solution. You have to draw the
line
somewhere.
How about posting on the subject of the coronavirus, or vaccination?
Here is something in the
article that Hemidactylus linked which I find puzzling:
"These spikes, by themselves, are not dangerous. They can't make
anyone sick."
https://www.webmd.com/lung/news/20210719/covid-19-vaccines-not-gene-therapy
What is it, then, about the virus that makes some people deathly
sick? Some other part of the
virus that our antibodies are unable to target?
What makes you sick, presumably, is all the virus replicating and lysing >>> your cells to get out. Certainly not the spike protein.
Thanks. Strangely enough, I never read about that lysing feature.
Somehow I imagined
the viruses exiting the way the spike proteins molecules produced by
mRNA vaccines exit one at a time,
to where they can be detected by the immune system, and without their
exits causing
major damage to the cells.
Turns out that SARS-Cov-2 doesn't generally lyse cells. Instead it
coopts the lysosome to exit. And it appears that nobody actually knows
for sure how the virus damages the body. Still, it isn't the spike
protein that does it.
On Thursday, September 9, 2021 at 11:59:22 AM UTC-4, John Harshman wrote:
On 9/9/21 7:50 AM, Peter Nyikos wrote:
Continued in next reply to this post. I will hold off with it until evening,
to see whether Harshman or Hemidactylus or Oxyaena give a damn about either Jews
or vaccinations enough to reply to something by either of us on either subject.
I have made the choice not to engage further with a rabid anti-semite. And, apparently, a rabid anti-various other unstated groups, whoHow about posting on the subject of the coronavirus, or vaccination? Here is something in the
proposes extermination as a general solution. You have to draw the line somewhere.
article that Hemidactylus linked which I find puzzling:
"These spikes, by themselves, are not dangerous. They can't make anyone sick. "
https://www.webmd.com/lung/news/20210719/covid-19-vaccines-not-gene-therapy
What is it, then, about the virus that makes some people deathly sick? Some other part of the
virus that our antibodies are unable to target?
On 10.9.2021. 5:46, Glenn wrote:
On Thursday, September 9, 2021 at 12:16:27 PM UTC-7, Peter Nyikos wrote:
On Thursday, September 9, 2021 at 11:59:22 AM UTC-4, John HarshmanOne opinion;
wrote:
On 9/9/21 7:50 AM, Peter Nyikos wrote:How about posting on the subject of the coronavirus, or vaccination?
Continued in next reply to this post. I will hold off with it until
evening,
to see whether Harshman or Hemidactylus or Oxyaena give a damn
about either Jews
or vaccinations enough to reply to something by either of us on
either subject.
I have made the choice not to engage further with a rabid anti-semite. >>>> And, apparently, a rabid anti-various other unstated groups, who
proposes extermination as a general solution. You have to draw the line >>>> somewhere.
Here is something in the
article that Hemidactylus linked which I find puzzling:
"These spikes, by themselves, are not dangerous. They can't make
anyone sick. "
https://www.webmd.com/lung/news/20210719/covid-19-vaccines-not-gene-therapy >>>
What is it, then, about the virus that makes some people deathly
sick? Some other part of the
virus that our antibodies are unable to target?
'SARS-CoV-2 grows in type II lung cells, which secrete a soap-like
substance that helps air slip deep into the lungs, and in cells lining
the throat. As with SARS, most of the damage in COVID-19, the illness
caused by the new coronavirus, is caused by the immune system carrying
out a scorched earth defense to stop the virus from spreading.
Millions of cells from the immune system invade the infected lung
tissue and cause massive amounts of damage in the process of cleaning
out the virus and any infected cells."
https://theconversation.com/what-the-coronavirus-does-to-your-body-that-makes-it-so-deadly-133856
Don't count on Eric or John to really know anything.
And this is way off topic for this froup. funny that no one seems to
mind.
Exactly, lol. Count on Mario Petrinovic.
Thanks Glenn, :) .
On Thursday, September 9, 2021 at 12:16:27 PM UTC-7, Peter Nyikos wrote:the immune system carrying out a scorched earth defense to stop the virus from spreading. Millions of cells from the immune system invade the infected lung tissue and cause massive amounts of damage in the process of cleaning out the virus and any
On Thursday, September 9, 2021 at 11:59:22 AM UTC-4, John Harshman wrote: >>> On 9/9/21 7:50 AM, Peter Nyikos wrote:One opinion;
How about posting on the subject of the coronavirus, or vaccination? Here is something in the
Continued in next reply to this post. I will hold off with it until evening,
to see whether Harshman or Hemidactylus or Oxyaena give a damn about either Jews
or vaccinations enough to reply to something by either of us on either subject.
I have made the choice not to engage further with a rabid anti-semite.
And, apparently, a rabid anti-various other unstated groups, who
proposes extermination as a general solution. You have to draw the line
somewhere.
article that Hemidactylus linked which I find puzzling:
"These spikes, by themselves, are not dangerous. They can't make anyone sick. "
https://www.webmd.com/lung/news/20210719/covid-19-vaccines-not-gene-therapy >>
What is it, then, about the virus that makes some people deathly sick? Some other part of the
virus that our antibodies are unable to target?
'SARS-CoV-2 grows in type II lung cells, which secrete a soap-like substance that helps air slip deep into the lungs, and in cells lining the throat. As with SARS, most of the damage in COVID-19, the illness caused by the new coronavirus, is caused by
https://theconversation.com/what-the-coronavirus-does-to-your-body-that-makes-it-so-deadly-133856
Don't count on Eric or John to really know anything.
And this is way off topic for this froup. funny that no one seems to mind.
On Thursday, September 9, 2021 at 12:16:27 PM UTC-7, Peter Nyikos wrote:the immune system carrying out a scorched earth defense to stop the virus from spreading. Millions of cells from the immune system invade the infected lung tissue and cause massive amounts of damage in the process of cleaning out the virus and any
On Thursday, September 9, 2021 at 11:59:22 AM UTC-4, John Harshman wrote:
On 9/9/21 7:50 AM, Peter Nyikos wrote:
Continued in next reply to this post. I will hold off with it until evening,
to see whether Harshman or Hemidactylus or Oxyaena give a damn about either Jews
or vaccinations enough to reply to something by either of us on either subject.
I have made the choice not to engage further with a rabid anti-semite. And, apparently, a rabid anti-various other unstated groups, who proposes extermination as a general solution. You have to draw the line somewhere.How about posting on the subject of the coronavirus, or vaccination? Here is something in the
article that Hemidactylus linked which I find puzzling:
"These spikes, by themselves, are not dangerous. They can't make anyone sick. "
https://www.webmd.com/lung/news/20210719/covid-19-vaccines-not-gene-therapy
What is it, then, about the virus that makes some people deathly sick? Some other part of the
virus that our antibodies are unable to target?
One opinion;
'SARS-CoV-2 grows in type II lung cells, which secrete a soap-like substance that helps air slip deep into the lungs, and in cells lining the throat. As with SARS, most of the damage in COVID-19, the illness caused by the new coronavirus, is caused by
https://theconversation.com/what-the-coronavirus-does-to-your-body-that-makes-it-so-deadly-133856
Don't count on Eric or John to really know anything.
And this is way off topic for this froup. funny that no one seems to mind.
On Thursday, September 9, 2021 at 12:16:27 PM UTC-7, Peter Nyikos wrote:the immune system carrying out a scorched earth defense to stop the virus from spreading. Millions of cells from the immune system invade the infected lung tissue and cause massive amounts of damage in the process of cleaning out the virus and any
On Thursday, September 9, 2021 at 11:59:22 AM UTC-4, John Harshman wrote:
On 9/9/21 7:50 AM, Peter Nyikos wrote:
Continued in next reply to this post. I will hold off with it until evening,
to see whether Harshman or Hemidactylus or Oxyaena give a damn about either Jews
or vaccinations enough to reply to something by either of us on either subject.
I have made the choice not to engage further with a rabid anti-semite. And, apparently, a rabid anti-various other unstated groups, who proposes extermination as a general solution. You have to draw the line somewhere.How about posting on the subject of the coronavirus, or vaccination? Here is something in the
article that Hemidactylus linked which I find puzzling:
"These spikes, by themselves, are not dangerous. They can't make anyone sick. "
https://www.webmd.com/lung/news/20210719/covid-19-vaccines-not-gene-therapy
What is it, then, about the virus that makes some people deathly sick? Some other part of the
virus that our antibodies are unable to target?
One opinion;
'SARS-CoV-2 grows in type II lung cells, which secrete a soap-like substance that helps air slip deep into the lungs, and in cells lining the throat. As with SARS, most of the damage in COVID-19, the illness caused by the new coronavirus, is caused by
https://theconversation.com/what-the-coronavirus-does-to-your-body-that-makes-it-so-deadly-133856
Don't count on Eric or John to really know anything.
And this is way off topic for this froup. funny that no one seems to mind.
On Thursday, September 9, 2021 at 11:46:05 PM UTC-4, Glenn wrote:by the immune system carrying out a scorched earth defense to stop the virus from spreading. Millions of cells from the immune system invade the infected lung tissue and cause massive amounts of damage in the process of cleaning out the virus and any
On Thursday, September 9, 2021 at 12:16:27 PM UTC-7, Peter Nyikos wrote:
On Thursday, September 9, 2021 at 11:59:22 AM UTC-4, John Harshman wrote:
On 9/9/21 7:50 AM, Peter Nyikos wrote:
Continued in next reply to this post. I will hold off with it until evening,
to see whether Harshman or Hemidactylus or Oxyaena give a damn about either Jews
or vaccinations enough to reply to something by either of us on either subject.
I have made the choice not to engage further with a rabid anti-semite. And, apparently, a rabid anti-various other unstated groups, who proposes extermination as a general solution. You have to draw the lineHow about posting on the subject of the coronavirus, or vaccination? Here is something in the
somewhere.
article that Hemidactylus linked which I find puzzling:
"These spikes, by themselves, are not dangerous. They can't make anyone sick. "
https://www.webmd.com/lung/news/20210719/covid-19-vaccines-not-gene-therapy
What is it, then, about the virus that makes some people deathly sick? Some other part of the
virus that our antibodies are unable to target?
One opinion;
'SARS-CoV-2 grows in type II lung cells, which secrete a soap-like substance that helps air slip deep into the lungs, and in cells lining the throat. As with SARS, most of the damage in COVID-19, the illness caused by the new coronavirus, is caused
https://theconversation.com/what-the-coronavirus-does-to-your-body-that-makes-it-so-deadly-133856I'm a tad surprised. I try to keep up with The Conversation when it's about a number of topics of
first rate importance, but I think I missed this one.
Ironically, it looks like this is one of the few places where the anti-vaxxers have more on the ball than
the ones who cancel them in social media. They've been harping on this reaction as evidence
that the virus itself is harmless and it is only the body attacking itself that is the real cause of Covid-19.
Don't count on Eric or John to really know anything.Right, they are more interested in government imposed mandates than in science.
Biden's hot-off-the-presses plan to "deputize" any employer with 100 or more employees to
make them "take the jab" is sure to be near and dear their hearts, especially the fact that,
unlike regular "deputizing," which is voluntary, this one would be like the draft.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/markets/will-joe-biden-e2-80-99s-vaccine-mandate-for-large-companies-have-legal-ramifications/ar-AAOj3Mm?ocid=uxbndlbing
You know, draft, the thing that elicited draft card burning and "Hell, no, we won't go" in the 60's
from the likes of them. But their kind of politics is the kind that goes without a hitch from
"Four legs good, two legs bad!" to "Four legs good, two legs *better*!"
[Technical detail: employees can opt out if they test every week, as long as they
test negative every time. But most employees will not want to take that risk.]
And this is way off topic for this froup. funny that no one seems to mind.I don't mind, but for a surprising reason: I know that a lot of what we've written on why the mRNA
vaccines are safe IS relevant to a lot of paleontology.
I don't think that's the reason anyone else doesn't mind. It takes someone with
my peculiar qualities to see a connection.
1. I am good at thinking outside the box. Except perhaps for Mario, the regulars
besides me demonstrate all kinds of stereotyped thinking. Harshman, for instance,
has the impressive specialized knowledge and skills of an idiot savant when it
comes to certain aspects of systematics and ornithology, but even there,
he is not good at making connections between disparate parts of his expertise.
Once those "savant" skills no longer avail him, he is a lot like the "idiot" half of "idiot savant".
2. I take the scientific side of the anti-vaxxer challenge seriously. The others [here, I think
Mario doesn't care] have a strong authoritarian streak that manifests itself in political activism.
See my comments about the Biden would-be mandate.
It's even worse with some of their allies in talk.origins. I was denounced as being
responsible for untold numbers of deaths by daring to ASK A QUESTION about the
very thing where I found the connection that I will be introducing next Monday.
The person who did it was welcomed to talk.origins by Harshman as having "true grit"
in return for doing an unprovoked, unsupported personal attack against me.
Peter Nyikos
Professor, Dept. of Mathematics -- standard disclaimer--
University of South Carolina
http://people.math.sc.edu/nyikos
PS Spoiler: the title of the thread, slated for next Monday, will be:
"Ancient bornaviruses and modern vaccines."
The "Ancient" gives the paleontological connection. Although viruses are not known to fossilize,
their effects go back millions of years on mammals and other vertebrates.
Ironically, it looks like this is one of the few places where the anti-vaxxers have more on the ball than
the ones who cancel them in social media. They've been harping on this reaction as evidence
that the virus itself is harmless and it is only the body attacking itself that is the real cause of Covid-19.
Don't count on Eric or John to really know anything.Right, they are more interested in government imposed mandates than in science.
Biden's hot-off-the-presses plan to "deputize" any employer with 100 or more employees to
make them "take the jab" is sure to be near and dear their hearts, especially the fact that,
unlike regular "deputizing," which is voluntary, this one would be like the draft.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/markets/will-joe-biden-e2-80-99s-vaccine-mandate-for-large-companies-have-legal-ramifications/ar-AAOj3Mm?ocid=uxbndlbing
You know, draft, the thing that elicited draft card burning and "Hell, no, we won't go" in the 60's
from the likes of them. But their kind of politics is the kind that goes without a hitch from
"Four legs good, two legs bad!" to "Four legs good, two legs *better*!"
On Friday, September 10, 2021 at 12:03:49 PM UTC-7, Peter Nyikos wrote:
Ironically, it looks like this is one of the few places where the anti-vaxxers have more on the ball than
the ones who cancel them in social media. They've been harping on this reaction as evidence
that the virus itself is harmless and it is only the body attacking itself that is the real cause of Covid-19.
Don't count on Eric or John to really know anything.Right, they are more interested in government imposed mandates than in science.
Biden's hot-off-the-presses plan to "deputize" any employer with 100 or more employees to
make them "take the jab" is sure to be near and dear their hearts, especially the fact that,
unlike regular "deputizing," which is voluntary, this one would be like the draft.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/markets/will-joe-biden-e2-80-99s-vaccine-mandate-for-large-companies-have-legal-ramifications/ar-AAOj3Mm?ocid=uxbndlbing
You know, draft, the thing that elicited draft card burning and "Hell, no, we won't go" in the 60's
from the likes of them. But their kind of politics is the kind that goes without a hitch from
"Four legs good, two legs bad!" to "Four legs good, two legs *better*!"
Just for the record, Peter, you would be hard-put to be more wrong about my political positions.
you have no evidence of them, as I've been careful not to introduce them. Nor will I expound on them now.
Along with your insight into others' "real meanings", you are batting near zero here
On Thursday, September 9, 2021 at 4:41:18 PM UTC-4, Oxyaena wrote:
On 9/9/2021 10:50 AM, Peter Nyikos wrote:
On Wednesday, September 8, 2021 at 10:48:50 PM UTC-4, Mario Petrinovic wrote:
On 9.9.2021. 3:24, Peter Nyikos wrote:
On Wednesday, September 8, 2021 at 9:20:57 AM UTC-4, Mario Petrinovic wrote:
On 8.9.2021. 15:06, John Harshman wrote:
On 9/8/21 6:01 AM, Mario Petrinovic wrote:
On 8.9.2021. 12:02, *Hemidactylus* wrote:
Peter Nyikos <peter2...@gmail.com> wrote:
Except in the most obvious cases, [biologists] know better than to try andThe Nazis were engaged in a dubious form of artificial selection or >>>>>>>>> animal
judge that some trait
is more fit than another. A great deal depends on the environment, >>>>>>>>>> which is too unpredictable.
In the last ice age there were gray kangaroos ten feet tall, >>>>>>>>>> because the environment favored large size; today the same species only has six
foot tall kangaroos, because that is what the environment favors. >>>>>>>>>>
husbandry in their Master Race schema. But what they were doing wasn’t
entirely eugenics. They pivoted to a hygiene model treating certain >>>>>>>>> ethnicities as socially detrimental pathogens needing elimination >>>>>>>>> from the
body politic. That may be an important distinction.
I don't know much about what you are writing, but my belief
also is that certain ethnicities (or groups, or types, like
psychopaths) should be eliminated as a form of hygiene.
Using whose criteria? Why do you latch onto Jews right away?
What have they done to you?
Based on the criteria of the majority. Even if I am not part of that
majority, and even if this "hygiene" applies on me.
Regarding Jews, aren't they the most notorious example? I mean,
everybody knows everything about Jews.
Maybe in your part of Croatia [although I doubt it] but certainly
not in the USA. The endless harping on the Holocaust -- not that I
mind most of it, "Schindler's List" was jarring even to me -- drowns out >>> anything negative people here say in the media about Jews.
Lest there be any misunderstanding: I'm glad I saw "Schindler's List," because it brought home to me the utter inhumanity of the Nazi extermination campaign like nothing I saw before -- including the ghastly scenes of
actual footage in "Judgment at Nuremberg."
I have to agree that the Holocaust receives a bit too much attention
compared to other genocides and atrocities, like the Native American
Holocaust, or the Naqba when the Zionists ethnically cleansed Palestine
of almost all of its indigenous people.
Interesting how you compare the cold blooded murder of millions of Jews with the displacement of peoples.
Can you point me to a webpage where
it is explained how the partition of Palestine and the resulting displacements
are different in their nature from the partition that created India and Pakistan,
resulting in the displacement of millions of Hindus living in what became Pakistan
and millions of Muslims living in what became India?
That said, I am appalled by the genocides and atrocities by White Anglos against
Native Americans. I cannot understand why there isn't a major hue
and cry against Andrew Jackson, responsible for the deaths of thousands of Cherokee, including untold numbers of women and children, by
starvation and exposure to cold during the Trail of Tears, being
commemorated by his portrait on the $20 bill.
Mario might not know it, but nowadays automatic teller machines in the USA almost exclusively give you one denomination: $20 bills.
I could mention other examples,
but then I would need to explain much more.
Regarding me and Jews. I grew up in richer neighborhood, and one of
other two kids in my street is a Jew. So, we were friends from since we >>>> were kids, and we were always in good relationship (and yes, he was, and >>>> still is, extremely rich).
The other thing that I know is from history. I know that there were
few percentages of Jews in Zagreb, but they were holding 85 % of all the >>>> investments in Zagreb.
They know a lot about investing; most people do not. There is nothing said >>> in our elementary or secondary schools about investing, except savings accounts,
and those are almost worthless these days. They don't even teach you what >>> stocks are for: dividends. Everyone seems to be focused on speculation,
buying low and selling high.
The reason Jewish people have the stereotype of being good at investing
is because back in the day, they were barred from most other
professions. The only way for a Jew to feed themselves and their family
was often banking, so that's what they did.
Quite true. Did you think of making this comment in direct reply to Mario?
Being a guy who is predominantly considered about
justice, I see great injustice in this.
If you think that is injustice, you really ought to read Milovan Djilas's >>> _Land_Without_Justice, about REAL injustices that pervaded his native
Montenegro. It was as bad as the "justice" meted out by the Mafia,
and it was built into the very character of the people.
I am wandering what views on
justice have people who don't care about such an imbalance?
Financial imbalances have nothing to do with justice, unless the
riches were unjustly obtained.
You think the riches of landlords were justly gained? Landlords are
social parasites profiting off of the need of people to have shelter.
That's quite an indictment of renting houses and apartments
to people who cannot get a loan to buy a house for themselves.
Are you a Marxist, or just a generalized leftist? Do you agree
with the words of the Communist Manifesto, "Private property is theft."?
Strangely enough, I agree with it under limited circumstances.
I include, for example, the ownership of property on the shores
of lakes dozens of square miles in area with prime boating and fishing possibilities,
to the point where the general public has access to less than 5% of the shoreline,
the rest being exclusive private properties.
On Friday, September 10, 2021 at 5:34:02 PM UTC-4, erik simpson wrote:
On Friday, September 10, 2021 at 12:03:49 PM UTC-7, Peter Nyikos wrote:
Just for the record, Peter, you would be hard-put to be more wrong about my political positions.
Ironically, it looks like this is one of the few places where the anti-vaxxers have more on the ball than
the ones who cancel them in social media. They've been harping on this reaction as evidence
that the virus itself is harmless and it is only the body attacking itself that is the real cause of Covid-19.
Don't count on Eric or John to really know anything.Right, they are more interested in government imposed mandates than in science.
Biden's hot-off-the-presses plan to "deputize" any employer with 100 or more employees to
make them "take the jab" is sure to be near and dear their hearts, especially the fact that,
unlike regular "deputizing," which is voluntary, this one would be like the draft.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/markets/will-joe-biden-e2-80-99s-vaccine-mandate-for-large-companies-have-legal-ramifications/ar-AAOj3Mm?ocid=uxbndlbing
You know, draft, the thing that elicited draft card burning and "Hell, no, we won't go" in the 60's
from the likes of them. But their kind of politics is the kind that goes without a hitch from
"Four legs good, two legs bad!" to "Four legs good, two legs *better*!"
Since I didn't say anything about them specifically, but only used one illustrative example
about "the likes of them" [which does not mean "them, personally], you are building a castle in the air.
you have no evidence of them, as I've been careful not to introduce them. Nor will I expound on them now.
Irrelevant.
On 9/9/2021 7:31 PM, Peter Nyikos wrote:
On Thursday, September 9, 2021 at 4:41:18 PM UTC-4, Oxyaena wrote:
On 9/9/2021 10:50 AM, Peter Nyikos wrote:
On Wednesday, September 8, 2021 at 10:48:50 PM UTC-4, Mario Petrinovic wrote:
On 9.9.2021. 3:24, Peter Nyikos wrote:
On Wednesday, September 8, 2021 at 9:20:57 AM UTC-4, Mario Petrinovic wrote:
On 8.9.2021. 15:06, John Harshman wrote:
On 9/8/21 6:01 AM, Mario Petrinovic wrote:
On 8.9.2021. 12:02, *Hemidactylus* wrote:
Peter Nyikos <peter2...@gmail.com> wrote:
Except in the most obvious cases, [biologists] know better than to try andThe Nazis were engaged in a dubious form of artificial selection or
judge that some trait
is more fit than another. A great deal depends on the environment,
which is too unpredictable.
In the last ice age there were gray kangaroos ten feet tall, >>>>>>>>>> because the environment favored large size; today the same species only has six
foot tall kangaroos, because that is what the environment favors. >>>>>>>>>>
animal
husbandry in their Master Race schema. But what they were doing wasn’t
entirely eugenics. They pivoted to a hygiene model treating certain
ethnicities as socially detrimental pathogens needing elimination >>>>>>>>> from the
body politic. That may be an important distinction.
I don't know much about what you are writing, but my belief >>>>>>>> also is that certain ethnicities (or groups, or types, like >>>>>>>> psychopaths) should be eliminated as a form of hygiene.
Using whose criteria? Why do you latch onto Jews right away?
What have they done to you?
Based on the criteria of the majority. Even if I am not part of that >>>> majority, and even if this "hygiene" applies on me.
Regarding Jews, aren't they the most notorious example? I mean,
everybody knows everything about Jews.
Maybe in your part of Croatia [although I doubt it] but certainly
not in the USA. The endless harping on the Holocaust -- not that I
mind most of it, "Schindler's List" was jarring even to me -- drowns out >>> anything negative people here say in the media about Jews.
Lest there be any misunderstanding: I'm glad I saw "Schindler's List," because it brought home to me the utter inhumanity of the Nazi extermination
campaign like nothing I saw before -- including the ghastly scenes of actual footage in "Judgment at Nuremberg."
I have to agree that the Holocaust receives a bit too much attention
compared to other genocides and atrocities, like the Native American
Holocaust, or the Naqba when the Zionists ethnically cleansed Palestine >> of almost all of its indigenous people.
Interesting how you compare the cold blooded murder of millions of Jews withInteresting how you whitewash the cold-blooded 75+ year long oppression
the displacement of peoples.
of the Palestinian people as "mere ethnic displacement." You've always
been a piece of shit, Peter, but this is a new low even for you.
On 9/10/2021 8:14 PM, Peter Nyikos wrote:
On Friday, September 10, 2021 at 5:34:02 PM UTC-4, erik simpson wrote:
On Friday, September 10, 2021 at 12:03:49 PM UTC-7, Peter Nyikos wrote:
Just for the record, Peter, you would be hard-put to be more wrong about my political positions.
Ironically, it looks like this is one of the few places where the anti-vaxxers have more on the ball than
the ones who cancel them in social media. They've been harping on this reaction as evidence
that the virus itself is harmless and it is only the body attacking itself that is the real cause of Covid-19.
Don't count on Eric or John to really know anything.Right, they are more interested in government imposed mandates than in science.
Biden's hot-off-the-presses plan to "deputize" any employer with 100 or more employees to
make them "take the jab" is sure to be near and dear their hearts, especially the fact that,
unlike regular "deputizing," which is voluntary, this one would be like the draft.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/markets/will-joe-biden-e2-80-99s-vaccine-mandate-for-large-companies-have-legal-ramifications/ar-AAOj3Mm?ocid=uxbndlbing
You know, draft, the thing that elicited draft card burning and "Hell, no, we won't go" in the 60's
from the likes of them. But their kind of politics is the kind that goes without a hitch from
"Four legs good, two legs bad!" to "Four legs good, two legs *better*!" >>>
Since I didn't say anything about them specifically, but only used one illustrative exampleThen why did you say "the likes of them" and why did you use that
about "the likes of them" [which does not mean "them, personally], you are building a castle in the air.
specific example? We all know you're a stickler for the fascist right,
or at the very least an enabler of it. There's no need to pretend otherwise.
Fret not. It's just Peter.you have no evidence of them, as I've been careful not to introduce them. Nor will I expound on them now.
Irrelevant.Wrong. It is very relevant. You specifically cited Simpson as an example
of "the likes of them," and then proceeded to expound upon Simpson's
implicit political positions.
[snip idiocy[
On Friday, September 10, 2021 at 12:03:49 PM UTC-7, Peter Nyikos wrote:
Ironically, it looks like this is one of the few places where the anti-vaxxers have more on the ball than
the ones who cancel them in social media. They've been harping on this reaction as evidence
that the virus itself is harmless and it is only the body attacking itself that is the real cause of Covid-19.
Don't count on Eric or John to really know anything.Right, they are more interested in government imposed mandates than in science.
Biden's hot-off-the-presses plan to "deputize" any employer with 100 or more employees to
make them "take the jab" is sure to be near and dear their hearts, especially the fact that,
unlike regular "deputizing," which is voluntary, this one would be like the draft.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/markets/will-joe-biden-e2-80-99s-vaccine-mandate-for-large-companies-have-legal-ramifications/ar-AAOj3Mm?ocid=uxbndlbing
You know, draft, the thing that elicited draft card burning and "Hell, no, we won't go" in the 60's
from the likes of them. But their kind of politics is the kind that goes without a hitch from
"Four legs good, two legs bad!" to "Four legs good, two legs *better*!"
Just for the record, Peter, you would be hard-put to be more wrong about my political positions. Actually,
you have no evidence of them, as I've been careful not to introduce them. Nor will I expound on them now.
Along with your insight into others' "real meanings", you are batting near zero here.
On Friday, September 10, 2021 at 8:35:15 PM UTC-7, Oxyaena wrote:
On 9/10/2021 8:14 PM, Peter Nyikos wrote:Fret not. It's just Peter.
On Friday, September 10, 2021 at 5:34:02 PM UTC-4, erik simpson wrote:Then why did you say "the likes of them" and why did you use that
On Friday, September 10, 2021 at 12:03:49 PM UTC-7, Peter Nyikos wrote: >> >>
Just for the record, Peter, you would be hard-put to be more wrong about my political positions.
Ironically, it looks like this is one of the few places where the anti-vaxxers have more on the ball than
the ones who cancel them in social media. They've been harping on this reaction as evidence
that the virus itself is harmless and it is only the body attacking itself that is the real cause of Covid-19.
Don't count on Eric or John to really know anything.Right, they are more interested in government imposed mandates than in science.
Biden's hot-off-the-presses plan to "deputize" any employer with 100 or more employees to
make them "take the jab" is sure to be near and dear their hearts, especially the fact that,
unlike regular "deputizing," which is voluntary, this one would be like the draft.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/markets/will-joe-biden-e2-80-99s-vaccine-mandate-for-large-companies-have-legal-ramifications/ar-AAOj3Mm?ocid=uxbndlbing
You know, draft, the thing that elicited draft card burning and "Hell, no, we won't go" in the 60's
from the likes of them. But their kind of politics is the kind that goes without a hitch from
"Four legs good, two legs bad!" to "Four legs good, two legs *better*!" >> >>>
Since I didn't say anything about them specifically, but only used one illustrative example
about "the likes of them" [which does not mean "them, personally], you are building a castle in the air.
specific example? We all know you're a stickler for the fascist right,
or at the very least an enabler of it. There's no need to pretend otherwise. >> >
Wrong. It is very relevant. You specifically cited Simpson as an example
you have no evidence of them, as I've been careful not to introduce them. Nor will I expound on them now.
Irrelevant.
of "the likes of them," and then proceeded to expound upon Simpson's
implicit political positions.
[snip idiocy[
On Sat, 11 Sep 2021 08:16:43 -0700 (PDT), erik simpson <eastside.erik@gmail.com> wrote:
On Friday, September 10, 2021 at 8:35:15 PM UTC-7, Oxyaena wrote:
On 9/10/2021 8:14 PM, Peter Nyikos wrote:Fret not. It's just Peter.
On Friday, September 10, 2021 at 5:34:02 PM UTC-4, erik simpson wrote: >>>>> On Friday, September 10, 2021 at 12:03:49 PM UTC-7, Peter Nyikos wrote: >>>>>Then why did you say "the likes of them" and why did you use that
Just for the record, Peter, you would be hard-put to be more wrong about my political positions.
Ironically, it looks like this is one of the few places where the anti-vaxxers have more on the ball than
the ones who cancel them in social media. They've been harping on this reaction as evidence
that the virus itself is harmless and it is only the body attacking itself that is the real cause of Covid-19.
Don't count on Eric or John to really know anything.Right, they are more interested in government imposed mandates than in science.
Biden's hot-off-the-presses plan to "deputize" any employer with 100 or more employees to
make them "take the jab" is sure to be near and dear their hearts, especially the fact that,
unlike regular "deputizing," which is voluntary, this one would be like the draft.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/markets/will-joe-biden-e2-80-99s-vaccine-mandate-for-large-companies-have-legal-ramifications/ar-AAOj3Mm?ocid=uxbndlbing
You know, draft, the thing that elicited draft card burning and "Hell, no, we won't go" in the 60's
from the likes of them. But their kind of politics is the kind that goes without a hitch from
"Four legs good, two legs bad!" to "Four legs good, two legs *better*!" >>>>>>
Since I didn't say anything about them specifically, but only used one illustrative example
about "the likes of them" [which does not mean "them, personally], you are building a castle in the air.
specific example? We all know you're a stickler for the fascist right,
or at the very least an enabler of it. There's no need to pretend otherwise.
Wrong. It is very relevant. You specifically cited Simpson as an example >>> of "the likes of them," and then proceeded to expound upon Simpson's
you have no evidence of them, as I've been careful not to introduce them. Nor will I expound on them now.
Irrelevant.
implicit political positions.
[snip idiocy[
Imagine that, an off-topic topic about Covid-19 in sbp, with allusions
to non-participating posters, and a poster raising issues unrelated to
sbp, the topic, or anything anybody said in it, and parroting mindless made-up crap about AOTA. I just can't imagine who would be so
willfully stupid as to do any of these things, nevermind all of them
at once.
FTR, although the human body's immune system causes a lot of the
damage related to Covid-19, especially in the lungs, it is not true
that CoV-2 itself is "harmless". As with other infectious viruses,
CoV-2 ultimately triggers apoptosis aka cell death, to release the
newly formed viruses into the system and infect other cells.
FTR, although the human body's immune system causes a lot of the
damage related to Covid-19, especially in the lungs, it is not true
that CoV-2 itself is "harmless". As with other infectious viruses,
CoV-2 ultimately triggers apoptosis aka cell death, to release the
newly formed viruses into the system and infect other cells.
On Monday, September 13, 2021 at 6:35:41 AM UTC-4, 69jp...@gmail.com wrote:
That's the "jillery" [one-person?] organization posting: I'd recognize that >69jp anywhere, despite the masking.
And, unlike Glenn, "jillery" gave no source for the following hypothesis:
On Wed, 15 Sep 2021 18:59:32 -0700 (PDT), Peter Nyikos
<peter2...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Monday, September 13, 2021 at 6:35:41 AM UTC-4, 69jp...@gmail.com wrote:
That's the "jillery" [one-person?] organization posting: I'd recognize that >69jp anywhere, despite the masking.That's the willfully stupid mindless noise generator called the peter,
which he posts because he knows he has no idea what he's talking
about.
And, unlike Glenn, "jillery" gave no source for the following hypothesis: And here's another example, where the complains about jillery's "nosource" while saying nothing about his own lack of source.
And Glenn isn't involved in this thread. jillery's post was a reply
to Eric, which was a reply to Oxyaena, which was a reply to the peter,
the willfully stupid mindless noise generator.
On 9/1/21 9:15 PM, Mario Petrinovic wrote:
On 2.9.2021. 6:01, Mario Petrinovic wrote:
On 2.9.2021. 5:47, Mario Petrinovic wrote:
On 1.9.2021. 22:56, John Harshman wrote:
On 9/1/21 11:07 AM, Mario Petrinovic wrote:
On 1.9.2021. 18:56, John Harshman wrote:That's just nonsensical. The world as it is includes lions, yet I
On 8/31/21 11:48 PM, Mario Petrinovic wrote:
On 1.9.2021. 3:12, John Harshman wrote:Now I'm curious: why a pine needle specifically? Why not a rusty >>>>>> nail or a toothpick?
On 8/31/21 9:30 AM, Mario Petrinovic wrote:
On 31.8.2021. 17:00, John Harshman wrote:Is this really all about injection? That's a completely
On 8/30/21 7:40 PM, Mario Petrinovic wrote:
On 31.8.2021. 4:39, John Harshman wrote:Yes, and those mRNA vaccines change your DNA and make you >>>>>>>>>> magnetic.
On 8/30/21 7:34 PM, Mario Petrinovic wrote:
On 31.8.2021. 4:18, Mario Petrinovic wrote:I am disinclined to follow any advice you might ever have >>>>>>>>>>>> for me. Fortunately.
On 31.8.2021. 3:01, John Harshman wrote:
On 8/30/21 2:59 PM, Mario Petrinovic wrote:
Vaccinate your babies, and fill up yourIn contrast to your usual nonsense, this sort of thing is >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> actively dangerous, or would be if you managed to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> convince anyone of it.
hospitals when they grow old.
Grow less and less old, with every new generation. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> He, who didn't manage to understand the
Evolution, after 150 years of the research, he has to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> get it the hard way.
Ah, what can you do.
Jesus Christ.
My advice to you, *never* inject anything into
your body. Injection bypasses all the defense mechanisms, >>>>>>>>>>>>> when you inject something, your body doesn't have a chance >>>>>>>>>>>>> to react to it, you surrendered your body, flat down. >>>>>>>>>>>>>
Yes, but bypassing defense mechanisms is the thing
that is dangerous.
Well, that's your theory.
different justification from your previous one. Do you object to >>>>>>>> dental anesthetic? Do you endorse oral vaccines such as the one >>>>>>>> for polio?
No, it isn't about injection, it is about vaccination. I
just mentioned what you do when you put a needle in your body. >>>>>>> This is the purpose of needle (I presume), to bypass your defense >>>>>>> mechanism.
I would to it, with a pine needle, to burst a cyst. But
other than that, no.
Because this was how we always did this.
You think that the world should be sterile, otherwise you
are unable to live in it? I have a surprise for you, the world
isn't sterile, and if you are unable to live in the world as it is, >>>>> well, too bad for you.
refrain from stepping out in front of them while wearing a pork chop >>>> around my neck. The world as it is includes steep cliffs, yet I
refrain from walking straight off them just because I'm going in
that direction.
I will also point out that vaccines do nothing except introduce
antigens into your blood just like those present in live pathogens.
They don't weaken your immune system. They stimulate it in exactly
the same way those pathogens would. They certainly don't weaken your >>>> immune system or encourage weakness. Just the opposite.
The world, as it is, includes pine needles. It doesn't
include sterile equipment.
So, there are two ways to do it, with a pine needle, or with
sterile equipment. To do the first, you just find a pine needle. To
do the second, you just...
In Evolution the key word is "efficiency". He, who is
efficient, he wins. So, I can, either, use pine needles, and the rest
leave for my body to deal with, or I can use a lot more energy, and
equipment, to do *the same thing*. I refuse to do things the second
way, I have to be efficient to survive.
The whole world had bubonic plague. The whole world, except
India. Why?
And, regarding vaccination, your analogy is excellent.
Vaccination introduces antigens into your blood, that work "just
like" the real things. Like a boxer, who is using a boxing bag to
train and be strong. Well, I have news for you, boxing bag isn't
enough. It *has to be* a live opponent.
I mean, all the newest research show that the problem with
Covid-19 is in our immune system, not in virus. It is used to boxing
bags, not to the real things. Boxing bags don't fight back.
They say that somebody who was ill and not vaccinated, and
survived, has 7 times better immunity than the one who was
vaccinated. I mean, there is a reason for it. It is hard to prove the
reason. Scientists behave like they are idiots, if it isn't proven,
it doesn't happen. They behave so stupidly, like they are 6 years old. >>> This isn't a game.
I have to add this. Throughout our evolution we used the
system that gave 7 times better immunity than vaccination. A lot of us
died using this system , but the ones who survived, they had good and
strong immune system. Then we introduced the system which gave us 7
times weaker immune system, but we all survived. At first. And now we
stopped to all survive. And we have problems. Our whole health care
system simply collapsed. I mean, don't you see what is happening
around you? People walk around with muzzles on their months. You say,
we can do it. I say, go to hell. I'll rather die. This isn't a life a
dignified animal should live. I am a human, for god's sake. But, I
don't look very much like it, with this muzzle on my mouth.
What's next? You say, you use sterile equipment, because you
can. Will we walk around this planet in a space suit, because we can?
Because you say that you have a better system than the Nature already
evolved. So, why you are walking around this world with this muzzle on
your mouth?
So, I'd rather use a pine needle than your sterile equipment.
And yes, it will be bad for me, because I have more chance to die that
way. But, this way it would be much better for *us*, because, for sure, *we* will survive, the society will survive, the strongest *will*
survive, for sure.
So, I am suggesting to this society, whoever is using sterile
equipment, just stone him. He is a selfish idiot, who doesn't think what this will mean for society, he only thinks what this will mean for him,
he doesn't care about the society. Society should stone those people, if
it is a smart society, led my smart old men, not by playful young idiots.
To anyone who may be reading this, if indeed there is anyone: I
apologize for poking him. I will stop now.
On Wednesday, September 15, 2021 at 11:25:34 PM UTC-7, 69jp...@gmail.com wrote:
On Wed, 15 Sep 2021 18:59:32 -0700 (PDT), Peter Nyikos <peter2...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Monday, September 13, 2021 at 6:35:41 AM UTC-4, 69jp...@gmail.com wrote:
That's the "jillery" [one-person?] organization posting: I'd recognize thatThat's the willfully stupid mindless noise generator called the peter, which he posts because he knows he has no idea what he's talking
69jp anywhere, despite the masking.
about.
And, unlike Glenn, "jillery" gave no source for the following hypothesis: And here's another example, where the complains about jillery's "nosource" while saying nothing about his own lack of source.
And Glenn isn't involved in this thread. jillery's post was a replyPeter seems to be talking to Mario, or maybe Glenn. He's been a little confused lately.
to Eric, which was a reply to Oxyaena, which was a reply to the peter,
the willfully stupid mindless noise generator.
How long has he been working on the theory that you are multiple?
On Wednesday, September 15, 2021 at 11:25:34 PM UTC-7, 69jp...@gmail.com wrote:
On Wed, 15 Sep 2021 18:59:32 -0700 (PDT), Peter Nyikos
<peter2...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Monday, September 13, 2021 at 6:35:41 AM UTC-4, 69jp...@gmail.com wrote:That's the willfully stupid mindless noise generator called the peter,
That's the "jillery" [one-person?] organization posting: I'd recognize that
69jp anywhere, despite the masking.
which he posts because he knows he has no idea what he's talking
about.
And, unlike Glenn, "jillery" gave no source for the following hypothesis: >> And here's another example, where the peter complains about jillery's "no >> source" while saying nothing about his own lack of source.
And Glenn isn't involved in this thread. jillery's post was a reply
to Eric, which was a reply to Oxyaena, which was a reply to the peter,
the willfully stupid mindless noise generator.
Peter seems to be talking to Mario, or maybe Glenn. He's been a little confused lately.
How long has he been working on the theory that you are multiple?
On Monday, September 13, 2021 at 6:35:41 AM UTC-4, 69jp...@gmail.com wrote:
That's the "jillery" [one-person?] organization posting: I'd recognize that 69jp anywhere, despite the masking.
And, unlike Glenn, "jillery" gave no source for the following hypothesis:
FTR, although the human body's immune system causes a lot of the
damage related to Covid-19, especially in the lungs, it is not true
that CoV-2 itself is "harmless". As with other infectious viruses,
CoV-2 ultimately triggers apoptosis aka cell death, to release the
newly formed viruses into the system and infect other cells.
That's what Harshman said in different words, about "lytic mode," except
that he had to retract and say that he didn't think anyone knows
how the coronavirus does major damage to the body.
In fact, I've only heard of the lytic mode in bacteriophages. Can anyone reading this find an example in a virus that infects a eukaryote? an animal? a vertebrate? a mammal? a primate?
On Wednesday, September 15, 2021 at 11:25:34 PM UTC-7, 69jp...@gmail.com wrote:
On Wed, 15 Sep 2021 18:59:32 -0700 (PDT), Peter Nyikos <peter2...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Monday, September 13, 2021 at 6:35:41 AM UTC-4, 69jp...@gmail.com wrote:
That's the "jillery" [one-person?] organization posting: I'd recognize thatThat's the willfully stupid mindless noise generator called the peter, which he posts because he knows he has no idea what he's talking
69jp anywhere, despite the masking.
about.
And, unlike Glenn, "jillery" gave no source for the following hypothesis:
And here's another example, where the complains about jillery's "no
source" while saying nothing about his own lack of source.
And Glenn isn't involved in this thread. jillery's post was a reply
to Eric, which was a reply to Oxyaena, which was a reply to the peter,
the willfully stupid mindless noise generator.
Peter seems to be talking to Mario, or maybe Glenn. He's been a little confused lately.
How long has he been working on the theory that you are multiple?
Erik just keeps on showing his true colors. He can't help himself.
On Thursday, September 16, 2021 at 11:08:06 AM UTC-4, erik simpson wrote:
On Wednesday, September 15, 2021 at 11:25:34 PM UTC-7, 69jp...@gmail.com wrote:
On Wed, 15 Sep 2021 18:59:32 -0700 (PDT), Peter Nyikos <peter2...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Monday, September 13, 2021 at 6:35:41 AM UTC-4, 69jp...@gmail.com wrote:
And jillery snipped the hypothesis, and launched into an orgyThat's the "jillery" [one-person?] organization posting: I'd recognize thatThat's the willfully stupid mindless noise generator called the peter, which he posts because he knows he has no idea what he's talking
69jp anywhere, despite the masking.
about.
And, unlike Glenn, "jillery" gave no source for the following hypothesis:
of character assassination, beginning with:
Glenn provided a source, right on this thread:And here's another example, where the complains about jillery's "no source" while saying nothing about his own lack of source.
https://theconversation.com/what-the-coronavirus-does-to-your-body-that-makes-it-so-deadly-133856
It gives the only hypothesis anyone has found for why the coronavirus causes so much damage: the cause is indirect. The victim's immune system goes haywire
and begins an often suicidal autoimmune response.
That last line is pure mindless trolling, equaled only by JTEM in my experience.And Glenn isn't involved in this thread. jillery's post was a reply
to Eric, which was a reply to Oxyaena, which was a reply to the peter, the willfully stupid mindless noise generator.
Even Oxyaena doesn't lie her head off about me like that, only about individual
on topic, insightful comments of mine as in, "[snip mindless bullshit"]
Peter seems to be talking to Mario, or maybe Glenn. He's been a little confused lately.Datum: Erik is licking the boots of jillery, and projecting his own confusion onto me.
As is always the case when I post exclusively in the third person, I am speaking
to the general readership. That is because I am trying to convey the truth, something about which Erik has shown he doesn't care. [Keywords: misleading reporting,
*Nature* affiliate on *Nature* article].
And so, when I replied to jillery, I skipped all the character assassination by
jillery, Erik, and Oxyaena, and went to the on-topic part of the post. And what you
see up there from jillery is a cowardly and deceitful evasion of the very thing
jillery's FTR was about.
My on-topic questions about her FTR had to do with, successively, eukaryotes, animals,
vertebrates, and primates, with obvious relevance to us humans.
I gave a hint to Glenn last week about the topic of an upcoming thread,
"Ancient boronaviruses and modern vaccines"
in which the word "Ancient" is the key to why it is on topic
to talk about the coronaviruses the way I have been doing.
It refers to viruses that produced their effects on vertebrates,
and indirectly via evolution on us humans, many millions of years ago.
The thread has been delayed because, as I was continuing my research on the topic
last weekend, I realized that it is a topic with many facets that I hadn't learned about
before, and I have to put a lot more thought into it. Perhaps it will only be delayed
a week, perhaps longer.
How long has he been working on the theory that you are multiple?Ever since "jillery" stepped up talking about "jillery" in the third person, a number
of months back.
And Erik is simulating amnesia about there being a precedent, "Siren", for three women posting under the same moniker and using the same email address.
As usual, Erik is more interested in character assassination than the truth about
the "FTR" of "jillery." Who cares whether "jillery" was bullshitting? Not Erik, that's for sure.
On 9/15/21 6:59 PM, Peter Nyikos wrote:
On Monday, September 13, 2021 at 6:35:41 AM UTC-4, 69jp...@gmail.com wrote:
That's the "jillery" [one-person?] organization posting: I'd recognize that 69jp anywhere, despite the masking.
And, unlike Glenn, "jillery" gave no source for the following hypothesis:
FTR, although the human body's immune system causes a lot of the
damage related to Covid-19, especially in the lungs, it is not true
that CoV-2 itself is "harmless". As with other infectious viruses,
CoV-2 ultimately triggers apoptosis aka cell death, to release the
newly formed viruses into the system and infect other cells.
That's what Harshman said in different words, about "lytic mode," except that he had to retract and say that he didn't think anyone knows
how the coronavirus does major damage to the body.
In fact, I've only heard of the lytic mode in bacteriophages. Can anyone reading this find an example in a virus that infects a eukaryote? an animal?
a vertebrate? a mammal? a primate?
Are you not capable of googling?
Here's the first site I found: https://viralzone.expasy.org/1077
Yes, many of the viruses mentioned infect humans,
which you should
easily be able to discover, by following the internal links if in no
othe way.
On Thu, 16 Sep 2021 08:08:05 -0700 (PDT), erik simpson
<eastsi...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Wednesday, September 15, 2021 at 11:25:34 PM UTC-7, 69jp...@gmail.com wrote:
On Wed, 15 Sep 2021 18:59:32 -0700 (PDT), Peter Nyikos
<peter2...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Monday, September 13, 2021 at 6:35:41 AM UTC-4, 69jp...@gmail.com wrote:That's the willfully stupid mindless noise generator called the peter,
That's the "jillery" [one-person?] organization posting: I'd recognize that
69jp anywhere, despite the masking.
which he posts because he knows he has no idea what he's talking
about.
And, unlike Glenn, "jillery" gave no source for the following hypothesis:
And here's another example, where the peter complains about jillery's "no >> source" while saying nothing about his own lack of source.
And Glenn isn't involved in this thread.
jillery's post was a reply
to Eric, which was a reply to Oxyaena, which was a reply to the peter,
the willfully stupid mindless noise generator.
Peter seems to be talking to Mario, or maybe Glenn. He's been a little confused lately.
How long has he been working on the theory that you are multiple?
Lately??? I would go along with "even more confused", although this
may be yet another case of his satirical self-parodies.
On Thursday, September 16, 2021 at 11:41:00 AM UTC-4, John Harshman wrote:
On 9/15/21 6:59 PM, Peter Nyikos wrote:
On Monday, September 13, 2021 at 6:35:41 AM UTC-4, 69jp...@gmail.com wrote:
That's the "jillery" [one-person?] organization posting: I'd recognize that
69jp anywhere, despite the masking.
And, unlike Glenn, "jillery" gave no source for the following hypothesis:
FTR, although the human body's immune system causes a lot of the
damage related to Covid-19, especially in the lungs, it is not true
that CoV-2 itself is "harmless". As with other infectious viruses,
CoV-2 ultimately triggers apoptosis aka cell death, to release the
newly formed viruses into the system and infect other cells.
That's what Harshman said in different words, about "lytic mode," except that he had to retract and say that he didn't think anyone knows
how the coronavirus does major damage to the body.
Here you licked the boots of jillery in a more subtle and indirect wayIn fact, I've only heard of the lytic mode in bacteriophages. Can anyone reading this find an example in a virus that infects a eukaryote? an animal?
a vertebrate? a mammal? a primate?
than your perennial sidekick Erik Simpson did:
Are you not capable of googling?What hypocrisy! On a thread about the pre-Cambrian *Dickinsonia,* you trolled
that you had no idea how to find photographs in which its fossils
had bud-like growths like the one an author hypothesized
to be a true example of budding, hence eliminating some contenders
for extant sister group.
Or did you just intend to troll that you didn't know how to find a peer reviewed
paper that mentioned them, but worded what you wrote clumsily?
I told your sidekick that I had the impression that you weren't at all interested in discussing Dickinsonia, because I very quickly found a peer-reviewed article that mentioned them and showed them.
"What Harshman doesn't know can't hurt him," and so you ignored that post.
Here's the first site I found: https://viralzone.expasy.org/1077It does get as far as mentioning some unspecified vertebrates.
That still leaves two groups I mentioned, mammals and primates, to go.
Yes, many of the viruses mentioned infect humans,lysing their cells? Or only being related to viruses that have a lysing effect
on other organisms?
which you shouldYour optimism is in stunning contrast to your earlier behavior wrt Dickinsonia
easily be able to discover, by following the internal links if in no
othe way.
earlier this summer. But then, I've already known for a decade that you
are addicted to double standards.
On Thursday, September 16, 2021 at 9:04:40 AM UTC-7, Peter Nyikos wrote:
Erik just keeps on showing his true colors. He can't help himself.
On Thursday, September 16, 2021 at 11:08:06 AM UTC-4, erik simpson wrote:
On Wednesday, September 15, 2021 at 11:25:34 PM UTC-7, 69jp...@gmail.com wrote:
On Wed, 15 Sep 2021 18:59:32 -0700 (PDT), Peter Nyikos <peter2...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Monday, September 13, 2021 at 6:35:41 AM UTC-4, 69jp...@gmail.com wrote:
And jillery snipped the hypothesis, and launched into an orgyThat's the "jillery" [one-person?] organization posting: I'd recognize thatThat's the willfully stupid mindless noise generator called the peter, which he posts because he knows he has no idea what he's talking
69jp anywhere, despite the masking.
about.
And, unlike Glenn, "jillery" gave no source for the following hypothesis:
of character assassination, beginning with:
And here's another example, where the complains about jillery's "no source" while saying nothing about his own lack of source.
Glenn provided a source, right on this thread:
https://theconversation.com/what-the-coronavirus-does-to-your-body-that-makes-it-so-deadly-133856
It gives the only hypothesis anyone has found for why the coronavirus causes
so much damage: the cause is indirect. The victim's immune system goes haywire
and begins an often suicidal autoimmune response.
And Glenn isn't involved in this thread. jillery's post was a reply
to Eric, which was a reply to Oxyaena, which was a reply to the peter, the willfully stupid mindless noise generator.
That last line is pure mindless trolling, equaled only by JTEM in my experience.
Even Oxyaena doesn't lie her head off about me like that, only about individual
on topic, insightful comments of mine as in, "[snip mindless bullshit]".
Peter seems to be talking to Mario, or maybe Glenn. He's been a little confused lately.Datum: Erik is licking the boots of jillery, and projecting his own confusion onto me.
As is always the case when I post exclusively in the third person, I am speaking
to the general readership. That is because I am trying to convey the truth, something about which Erik has shown he doesn't care. [Keywords: misleading reporting,
*Nature* affiliate on *Nature* article].
And so, when I replied to jillery, I skipped all the character assassination by
jillery, Erik, and Oxyaena, and went to the on-topic part of the post. And what you
see up there from jillery is a cowardly and deceitful evasion of the very thing
jillery's FTR was about.
My on-topic questions about her FTR had to do with, successively, eukaryotes, animals,
vertebrates, and primates, with obvious relevance to us humans.
I gave a hint to Glenn last week about the topic of an upcoming thread,
"Ancient boronaviruses and modern vaccines"
in which the word "Ancient" is the key to why it is on topic
to talk about the coronaviruses the way I have been doing.
It refers to viruses that produced their effects on vertebrates,
and indirectly via evolution on us humans, many millions of years ago.
The thread has been delayed because, as I was continuing my research on the topic
last weekend, I realized that it is a topic with many facets that I hadn't learned about
before, and I have to put a lot more thought into it. Perhaps it will only be delayed
a week, perhaps longer.
How long has he been working on the theory that you are multiple?
Ever since "jillery" stepped up talking about "jillery" in the third person, a number
of months back.
And Erik is simulating amnesia about there being a precedent, "Siren", for three women posting under the same moniker and using the same email address.
I really don't know where you get the idea that jillery is a female, let alone three with the same testosterone fulled bullshit.
As usual, Erik is more interested in character assassination than the truth about
the "FTR" of "jillery." Who cares whether "jillery" was bullshitting? Not Erik, that's for sure.
What is most interesting about Erik is his apparent ignorance of his hypocrisies.
On Thursday, September 16, 2021 at 12:47:18 PM UTC-4, Glenn wrote:
On Thursday, September 16, 2021 at 9:04:40 AM UTC-7, Peter Nyikos wrote:
Erik just keeps on showing his true colors. He can't help himself.
On Thursday, September 16, 2021 at 11:08:06 AM UTC-4, erik simpson wrote:
On Wednesday, September 15, 2021 at 11:25:34 PM UTC-7, 69jp...@gmail.com wrote:
On Wed, 15 Sep 2021 18:59:32 -0700 (PDT), Peter Nyikos <peter2...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Monday, September 13, 2021 at 6:35:41 AM UTC-4, 69jp...@gmail.com wrote:
And jillery snipped the hypothesis, and launched into an orgyThat's the "jillery" [one-person?] organization posting: I'd recognize thatThat's the willfully stupid mindless noise generator called the peter,
69jp anywhere, despite the masking.
which he posts because he knows he has no idea what he's talking about.
And, unlike Glenn, "jillery" gave no source for the following hypothesis:
of character assassination, beginning with:
And here's another example, where the complains about jillery's "no source" while saying nothing about his own lack of source.
Glenn provided a source, right on this thread:
https://theconversation.com/what-the-coronavirus-does-to-your-body-that-makes-it-so-deadly-133856
It gives the only hypothesis anyone has found for why the coronavirus causes
so much damage: the cause is indirect. The victim's immune system goes haywire
and begins an often suicidal autoimmune response.
And Glenn isn't involved in this thread. jillery's post was a reply to Eric, which was a reply to Oxyaena, which was a reply to the peter,
the willfully stupid mindless noise generator.
That last line is pure mindless trolling, equaled only by JTEM in my experience.
Even Oxyaena doesn't lie her head off about me like that, only about individual
on topic, insightful comments of mine as in, "[snip mindless bullshit]".
Peter seems to be talking to Mario, or maybe Glenn. He's been a little confused lately.Datum: Erik is licking the boots of jillery, and projecting his own confusion onto me.
As is always the case when I post exclusively in the third person, I am speaking
to the general readership. That is because I am trying to convey the truth,
something about which Erik has shown he doesn't care. [Keywords: misleading reporting,
*Nature* affiliate on *Nature* article].
And so, when I replied to jillery, I skipped all the character assassination by
jillery, Erik, and Oxyaena, and went to the on-topic part of the post. And what you
see up there from jillery is a cowardly and deceitful evasion of the very thing
jillery's FTR was about.
My on-topic questions about her FTR had to do with, successively, eukaryotes, animals,
vertebrates, and primates, with obvious relevance to us humans.
I gave a hint to Glenn last week about the topic of an upcoming thread,
"Ancient boronaviruses and modern vaccines"
in which the word "Ancient" is the key to why it is on topic
to talk about the coronaviruses the way I have been doing.
It refers to viruses that produced their effects on vertebrates,
and indirectly via evolution on us humans, many millions of years ago.
The thread has been delayed because, as I was continuing my research on the topic
last weekend, I realized that it is a topic with many facets that I hadn't learned about
before, and I have to put a lot more thought into it. Perhaps it will only be delayed
a week, perhaps longer.
How long has he been working on the theory that you are multiple?
Ever since "jillery" stepped up talking about "jillery" in the third person, a number
of months back.
And Erik is simulating amnesia about there being a precedent, "Siren", for
three women posting under the same moniker and using the same email address.
I really don't know where you get the idea that jillery is a female, let alone three with the same testosterone fulled bullshit.Good point. Since many transgenders [1] have a they/them preference, I think it would be a good idea to use that for "jillery" from now on.
[1] in the broad sense: anyone who doesn't mind being referred to by a pronoun
for the opposite sex, biologically speaking.
I don't try to estimate how many people "jillery" is, but the tremendous range
of infantile bullshit - - - - - - - - - cunning propaganda is something I have never seen
in any other person. Not that I rule it out; for instance, jillery's could be a case of multiple personality syndrome. Or jillery may have arrived at it
by continually getting in touch with her internal six-year-old smart-alecky child from time to time while getting on with the business of specializing
in propaganda techniques in service of some leftist organization.
Anyway, jillery's frequent use of the third person for jillery may be so
that if one member of "jillery" is sued, the other[s] can more easily extricate themselves from full blame for the defendant's behaviour [British spelling here.]
As usual, Erik is more interested in character assassination than the truth about
the "FTR" of "jillery." Who cares whether "jillery" was bullshitting? Not Erik, that's for sure.
What is most interesting about Erik is his apparent ignorance of his hypocrisies.Good point. I can't recall Erik accusing me or anyone else of hypocrisy.
However, you've hit upon one reason why I've given Erik the superlative,
"Most disingenuously dishonest regular in talk.origins"
He conforms to that superlative here in s.b.p., too, but the competition
is vastly greater in talk.origins.
There are six other superlatives in talk.origins that I have mentioned periodically,
for four years at least by now. The only one that has actually changed "owners" is:
"Most condescendingly dishonest regular in talk.origins"
Long held by Casanova, it has found a slightly more superlative practitioner in Burkhard.
Erik just keeps on showing his true colors. He can't help himself.
On Thursday, September 16, 2021 at 11:08:06 AM UTC-4, erik simpson wrote:
On Wednesday, September 15, 2021 at 11:25:34 PM UTC-7, 69jp...@gmail.com wrote:
On Wed, 15 Sep 2021 18:59:32 -0700 (PDT), Peter Nyikos
<peter2...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Monday, September 13, 2021 at 6:35:41 AM UTC-4, 69jp...@gmail.com wrote:
That's the "jillery" [one-person?] organization posting: I'd recognize thatThat's the willfully stupid mindless noise generator called the peter,
69jp anywhere, despite the masking.
which he posts because he knows he has no idea what he's talking
about.
And, unlike Glenn, "jillery" gave no source for the following hypothesis:
And jillery snipped the hypothesis, and launched into an orgy
of character assassination, beginning with:
And here's another example, where the complains about jillery's "no
source" while saying nothing about his own lack of source.
Glenn provided a source, right on this thread:
As expected in Thread Diluting Kaffeeklatsches like the one in which Erik and jillery
are indulging, jillery demonstrates a JTEM-level fondness for trolling.
On Thu, 16 Sep 2021 09:04:39 -0700 (PDT), Peter Nyikos
<peter2...@gmail.com> wrote:
Erik just keeps on showing his true colors. He can't help himself.
On Thursday, September 16, 2021 at 11:08:06 AM UTC-4, erik simpson wrote:
On Wednesday, September 15, 2021 at 11:25:34 PM UTC-7, 69jp...@gmail.com wrote:
On Wed, 15 Sep 2021 18:59:32 -0700 (PDT), Peter Nyikos
<peter2...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Monday, September 13, 2021 at 6:35:41 AM UTC-4, 69jp...@gmail.com wrote:
That's the "jillery" [one-person?] organization posting: I'd recognize thatThat's the willfully stupid mindless noise generator called the peter, >> > which he posts because he knows he has no idea what he's talking
69jp anywhere, despite the masking.
about.
And, unlike Glenn, "jillery" gave no source for the following hypothesis:
And jillery snipped the hypothesis, and launched into an orgy
of character assassination, beginning with:
And here's another example, where the complains about jillery's "no
source" while saying nothing about his own lack of source.
Glenn provided a source, right on this thread:
Do you think you're Glenn? Do you think Glenn posted a source for
your mindless noise? If not, then your comment is just more of your
mindless noise.
On Thu, 16 Sep 2021 09:52:12 -0700 (PDT), Peter Nyikos
<peter2...@gmail.com> wrote:
As expected in Thread Diluting Kaffeeklatsches like the one in which Erik and jilleryThis is how the peter turns froups into Hellholes.
are indulging, jillery demonstrates a JTEM-level fondness for trolling.
On Thursday, September 16, 2021 at 11:41:00 AM UTC-4, John Harshman wrote:
On 9/15/21 6:59 PM, Peter Nyikos wrote:
On Monday, September 13, 2021 at 6:35:41 AM UTC-4, 69jp...@gmail.com wrote: >>>
That's the "jillery" [one-person?] organization posting: I'd recognize that >>> 69jp anywhere, despite the masking.
And, unlike Glenn, "jillery" gave no source for the following hypothesis: >>>
FTR, although the human body's immune system causes a lot of the
damage related to Covid-19, especially in the lungs, it is not true
that CoV-2 itself is "harmless". As with other infectious viruses,
CoV-2 ultimately triggers apoptosis aka cell death, to release the
newly formed viruses into the system and infect other cells.
That's what Harshman said in different words, about "lytic mode," except >>> that he had to retract and say that he didn't think anyone knows
how the coronavirus does major damage to the body.
In fact, I've only heard of the lytic mode in bacteriophages. Can anyone >>> reading this find an example in a virus that infects a eukaryote? an animal?
a vertebrate? a mammal? a primate?
Here you licked the boots of jillery in a more subtle and indirect way
than your perennial sidekick Erik Simpson did:
Are you not capable of googling?
What hypocrisy! On a thread about the pre-Cambrian *Dickinsonia,* you trolled that you had no idea how to find photographs in which its fossils
had bud-like growths like the one an author hypothesized
to be a true example of budding, hence eliminating some contenders
for extant sister group.
Or did you just intend to troll that you didn't know how to find a peer reviewed
paper that mentioned them, but worded what you wrote clumsily?
I told your sidekick that I had the impression that you weren't at all interested in discussing Dickinsonia, because I very quickly found a peer-reviewed article that mentioned them and showed them.
"What Harshman doesn't know can't hurt him," and so you ignored that post.
Here's the first site I found: https://viralzone.expasy.org/1077
It does get as far as mentioning some unspecified vertebrates.
That still leaves two groups I mentioned, mammals and primates, to go.
Yes, many of the viruses mentioned infect humans,
lysing their cells? Or only being related to viruses that have a lysing effect
on other organisms?
which you should
easily be able to discover, by following the internal links if in no
othe way.
Your optimism is in stunning contrast to your earlier behavior wrt Dickinsonia
earlier this summer. But then, I've already known for a decade that you
are addicted to double standards.
On 9/16/21 9:27 AM, Peter Nyikos wrote:
On Thursday, September 16, 2021 at 11:41:00 AM UTC-4, John Harshman wrote:
On 9/15/21 6:59 PM, Peter Nyikos wrote:
On Monday, September 13, 2021 at 6:35:41 AM UTC-4, 69jp...@gmail.com wrote:
That's the "jillery" [one-person?] organization posting: I'd recognize that
69jp anywhere, despite the masking.
And, unlike Glenn, "jillery" gave no source for the following hypothesis: >>>
FTR, although the human body's immune system causes a lot of the
damage related to Covid-19, especially in the lungs, it is not true
that CoV-2 itself is "harmless". As with other infectious viruses,
CoV-2 ultimately triggers apoptosis aka cell death, to release the
newly formed viruses into the system and infect other cells.
That's what Harshman said in different words, about "lytic mode," except >>> that he had to retract and say that he didn't think anyone knows
how the coronavirus does major damage to the body.
In fact, I've only heard of the lytic mode in bacteriophages. Can anyone >>> reading this find an example in a virus that infects a eukaryote? an animal?
a vertebrate? a mammal? a primate?
Here you licked the boots of jillery in a more subtle and indirect wayI take exception to your characterization. What makes you this way?
than your perennial sidekick Erik Simpson did:
Are you not capable of googling?
What hypocrisy! On a thread about the pre-Cambrian *Dickinsonia,* you trolledI actually searched images and found none. And here you are bringing up
that you had no idea how to find photographs in which its fossils
had bud-like growths like the one an author hypothesized
to be a true example of budding, hence eliminating some contenders
for extant sister group.
old, imagined grievances again.
Or did you just intend to troll that you didn't know how to find a peer reviewed
paper that mentioned them, but worded what you wrote clumsily?
I told your sidekick that I had the impression that you weren't at all interested in discussing Dickinsonia, because I very quickly found a peer-reviewed article that mentioned them and showed them.No, you did not. You found a paper that showed a picture, but it didn't
talk about the supposed budding at all.
"What Harshman doesn't know can't hurt him," and so you ignored that post.
Here's the first site I found: https://viralzone.expasy.org/1077
It does get as far as mentioning some unspecified vertebrates.You need to look at the individual families, under "hosts". Or you could google, say, "human adenovirus".
That still leaves two groups I mentioned, mammals and primates, to go.
Yes, many of the viruses mentioned infect humans,
lysing their cells? Or only being related to viruses that have a lysing effectMust I do everything for you? Look before you come to a strange conclusion. >> which you should
on other organisms?
easily be able to discover, by following the internal links if in no
othe way.
Your optimism is in stunning contrast to your earlier behavior wrt DickinsoniaAnd yet your criticize me for not (supposedly) doing something that you
earlier this summer. But then, I've already known for a decade that you
are addicted to double standards.
are here refusing to do. Doesn't that beam get in the way of your vision?
Perhaps, actually quite likely, you think it fair to snip relevant content because you think other's do the same..
On Thu, 16 Sep 2021 11:15:49 -0700 (PDT), Glenn <GlennS...@msn.com>
wrote:
Perhaps, actually quite likely, you think it fair to snip relevant content because you think other's do the same..You still can't read minds any better than you can read English.
peter,>>> the willfully stupid mindless noise generator.> > That lastAnd Glenn isn't involved in this thread. jillery's post was a reply >>> to Eric, which was a reply to Oxyaena, which was a reply to the
Peter seems to be talking to Mario, or maybe Glenn. He's been a little confused lately.
Datum: Erik is licking the boots of jillery, and projecting his own confusion onto me.
As is always the case when I post exclusively in the third person, I am speaking
to the general readership.
I gave a hint to Glenn last week about the topic of an upcoming thread,
"Ancient boronaviruses and modern vaccines"
in which the word "Ancient" is the key to why it is on topic
to talk about the coronaviruses the way I have been doing.
It refers to viruses that produced their effects on vertebrates,
and indirectly via evolution on us humans, many millions of years ago.
The thread has been delayed because, as I was continuing my research on the topic
last weekend, I realized that it is a topic with many facets that I hadn't learned about
before, and I have to put a lot more thought into it. Perhaps it will only be delayed
a week, perhaps longer.
How long has he been working on the theory that you are multiple?
Ever since "jillery" stepped up talking about "jillery" in the third person, a number
of months back.
As expected in Thread Diluting Kaffeeklatsches like the one in which Erik and jillery
are indulging, jillery demonstrates a JTEM-level fondness for trolling.
On Thursday, September 16, 2021 at 11:51:36 AM UTC-4, 69jp...@gmail.com wrote:
On Thu, 16 Sep 2021 08:08:05 -0700 (PDT), erik simpson
<eastsi...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Wednesday, September 15, 2021 at 11:25:34 PM UTC-7, 69jp...@gmail.com wrote:
On Wed, 15 Sep 2021 18:59:32 -0700 (PDT), Peter Nyikos
<peter2...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Monday, September 13, 2021 at 6:35:41 AM UTC-4, 69jp...@gmail.com wrote:That's the willfully stupid mindless noise generator called the peter, >>>> which he posts because he knows he has no idea what he's talking
That's the "jillery" [one-person?] organization posting: I'd recognize that
69jp anywhere, despite the masking.
about.
I know plenty about what I was talking about, the speculation about
the coronavirus which Harshman had second thoughts about.
Lately??? I would go along with "even more confused", although this
may be yet another case of his satirical self-parodies.
This JTEM-level trolling will be shown to be on that level for anyone
who replies directly to this post, without deleting anything in it.
Peter Nyikos
That's the "jillery" [one-person?] organization posting: I'd recognize thatThat's the willfully stupid mindless noise generator called the peter, >> >> which he posts because he knows he has no idea what he's talking
69jp anywhere, despite the masking.
about.
I know plenty about what I was talking about, the speculation about
the coronavirus which Harshman had second thoughts about.
On Thu, 16 Sep 2021 09:52:12 -0700 (PDT), Peter Nyikos
<peter2...@gmail.com> wrote:
That's the "jillery" [one-person?] organization posting: I'd recognize thatThat's the willfully stupid mindless noise generator called the peter, >> >> which he posts because he knows he has no idea what he's talking
69jp anywhere, despite the masking.
about.
I know plenty about what I was talking about, the speculation aboutIf only the peter had limited his reply to such speculation, instead
the coronavirus which Harshman had second thoughts about.
of spamming his mindless noise.
How do you even walk, with those crooked hind legs?
On Thu, 16 Sep 2021 20:18:24 -0700 (PDT), Glenn <GlennS...@msn.com>
wrote:
How do you even walk, with those crooked hind legs?How do you even breathe, with only one working brain cell?
On Thu, 16 Sep 2021 20:18:24 -0700 (PDT), Glenn <GlennSheldon@msn.com>
wrote:
How do you even walk, with those crooked hind legs?
How do you even breathe, with only one working brain cell?
On Thu, 16 Sep 2021 11:15:49 -0700 (PDT), Glenn <GlennS...@msn.com>
wrote:
Perhaps, actually quite likely, you think it fair to snip relevant content because you think other's do the same..
You still can't read minds any better than you can read English.
On Thursday, September 16, 2021 at 3:39:03 PM UTC-4, 69jp...@gmail.com wrote: >> On Thu, 16 Sep 2021 11:15:49 -0700 (PDT), Glenn <GlennS...@msn.com>
wrote:
Perhaps, actually quite likely, you think it fair to snip relevant content because you think other's do the same..
You still can't read minds any better than you can read English.
Yes, Glenn doesn't know that you snip relevant content by me because you know >I snip either content that I address in later posts or content that is completely superfluous.
On Fri, 17 Sep 2021 05:55:25 -0700 (PDT), Peter Nyikos
<peter2...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Thursday, September 16, 2021 at 3:39:03 PM UTC-4, 69jp...@gmail.com wrote:
On Thu, 16 Sep 2021 11:15:49 -0700 (PDT), Glenn <GlennS...@msn.com>
wrote:
Perhaps, actually quite likely, you think it fair to snip relevant content because you think other's do the same..
You still can't read minds any better than you can read English.
Yes, Glenn doesn't know that you snip relevant content by me because you knowYou can't read minds any better than Glenn.
I snip either content that I address in later posts or content that is completely superfluous.
Did you know this?
"There are many other innate immune cells, such as dendritic cells, gamma–delta T cells, and natural killer (NK) cells"
https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMra2026131
I have some good news and some bad news for you, Oxyaena.
The good news is that, based on the evidence available to me, JTEM has surpassed
both Harshman [1] and Erik Simpson [2], two of your favorite people, in trollishness.
The bad news [3] is that he still has a long way to go before he surpasses you.
And he'll have to troll someone else for a while to gain on you, because I'm done "feeding the troll" where he is concerned, for the rest of this month.
[1] This is significant, because, as you might recall from an s.b.p. thread
a few years back, having to do with the sperm of hominids, JTEM succeeded
in making it look like Harshman was trolling and JTEM was "feeding the troll".
[2] This is also significant, because Erik trolled me by saying it should
be obvious to me that JTEM is a troll, but in fact the evidence available to me was far more extensive in the direction of Erik being a troll than JTEM being
a troll. Even now, that is true, but JTEM makes up in quality what he lacks in quantity.
[3] I'm assuming, of course, that you would prefer that people not think of you as a troll. If I am wrong about that, then of course it would be good news.
In particular, you exhibited extraordinary ingenuity during the year I boycotted
you, in a huge number of posts, of trolling me so cleverly that you had some reason
to believe that I would quite forget myself and reply to you before 2019 was up.
On 9/16/2021 12:04 PM, Peter Nyikos wrote:
[snip idiocy and bootlicking of Glenn]
And Glenn isn't involved in this thread.
jillery's post was a reply
to Eric, which was a reply to Oxyaena, which was a reply to the peter,
the willfully stupid mindless noise generator.
That last line is pure mindless trolling, equaled only by JTEM in my experience.
Even Oxyaena doesn't lie her head off about me like that, only about
individual on topic, insightful comments of mine as in, "[snip
mindless bullshit"]
No, what Jillery wrote was perfectly accurate.
On 9/16/2021 12:04 PM, Peter Nyikos wrote:
Peter seems to be talking to Mario, or maybe Glenn. He's been a little confused lately.
Datum: Erik is licking the boots of jillery, and projecting his own confusion onto me.
Non. The only bootlicking being done here is by yourself.
As is always the case when I post exclusively in the third person, I am speaking
to the general readership.
As if anyone gives a shit about your petty vendettas.
[snip groveling]
I gave a hint to Glenn last week about the topic of an upcoming thread,
Even you must surely recognize that Glenn does not give a single flying
fuck about anything on-topic wrt sbp.
"Ancient boronaviruses and modern vaccines"
in which the word "Ancient" is the key to why it is on topic
to talk about the coronaviruses the way I have been doing.
It refers to viruses that produced their effects on vertebrates,
and indirectly via evolution on us humans, many millions of years ago.
The thread has been delayed because, as I was continuing my research on the topic
last weekend, I realized that it is a topic with many facets that I hadn't learned about
before, and I have to put a lot more thought into it. Perhaps it will only be delayed
a week, perhaps longer.
Then get cracking. Why are you wasting your time here rather than doing
your "extensive research?"
Peter Nyikos <peter2...@gmail.com> wrote:
I have some good news and some bad news for you, Oxyaena.
The good news is that, based on the evidence available to me, JTEM has surpassed
both Harshman [1] and Erik Simpson [2], two of your favorite people, in trollishness.
The bad news [3] is that he still has a long way to go before he surpasses you.
And he'll have to troll someone else for a while to gain on you, because I'm
done "feeding the troll" where he is concerned, for the rest of this month.
[1] This is significant, because, as you might recall from an s.b.p. thread
a few years back, having to do with the sperm of hominids, JTEM succeeded in making it look like Harshman was trolling and JTEM was "feeding the troll".
[2] This is also significant, because Erik trolled me by saying it should be obvious to me that JTEM is a troll, but in fact the evidence available to
me was far more extensive in the direction of Erik being a troll than JTEM being
a troll. Even now, that is true, but JTEM makes up in quality what he lacks in quantity.
[3] I'm assuming, of course, that you would prefer that people not think of
you as a troll. If I am wrong about that, then of course it would be good news.
In particular, you exhibited extraordinary ingenuity during the year I boycotted
you, in a huge number of posts, of trolling me so cleverly that you had some reason
to believe that I would quite forget myself and reply to you before 2019 was up.
Is this your longest preamble? I haven’t bothered to keep a List of word counts on such things, but it seems longish even for you.
[snip more silly stuff]
[1] This is significant, because, as you might recall from an s.b.p. thread
a few years back, having to do with the sperm of hominids, JTEM succeeded
in making it look like Harshman was trolling and JTEM was "feeding the troll".
On Fri, 17 Sep 2021 10:35:43 -0700 (PDT), Glenn <GlennS...@msn.com>
wrote:
Did you know this?
"There are many other innate immune cells, such as dendritic cells, gamma–delta T cells, and natural killer (NK) cells"
https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMra2026131Did you know this?
****************************
It has also been argued that this possible Megalosaurus bone was given
the very first species name ever applied to an extinct dinosaur.
Plot's engraving of the Cornwell bone was again used in a book by
Richard Brookes in 1763. Brookes, in a caption, called it "Scrotum
humanum," apparently comparing its appearance to a pair of "human testicles".
****************************
While both your cite and mine are completely irrelevant to anything
anybody wrote in this topic, mine is unique by being topical to the
froup.
I have some good news and some bad news for you, Oxyaena.
The good news is that, based on the evidence available to me, JTEM has surpassed
both Harshman [1] and Erik Simpson [2], two of your favorite people, in trollishness.
The bad news [3] is that he still has a long way to go before he surpasses you.
And he'll have to troll someone else for a while to gain on you, because I'm done "feeding the troll" where he is concerned, for the rest of this month.
On Friday, September 17, 2021 at 10:39:18 PM UTC-4, *Hemidactylus* wrote:
Peter Nyikos <peter2...@gmail.com> wrote:
I have some good news and some bad news for you, Oxyaena.Is this your longest preamble? I haven’t bothered to keep a List of word >> counts on such things, but it seems longish even for you.
The good news is that, based on the evidence available to me, JTEM has surpassed
both Harshman [1] and Erik Simpson [2], two of your favorite people, in trollishness.
The bad news [3] is that he still has a long way to go before he surpasses you.
And he'll have to troll someone else for a while to gain on you, because I'm
done "feeding the troll" where he is concerned, for the rest of this month. >>>
[1] This is significant, because, as you might recall from an s.b.p. thread >>> a few years back, having to do with the sperm of hominids, JTEM succeeded >>> in making it look like Harshman was trolling and JTEM was "feeding the troll".
[2] This is also significant, because Erik trolled me by saying it should >>> be obvious to me that JTEM is a troll, but in fact the evidence available to
me was far more extensive in the direction of Erik being a troll than JTEM being
a troll. Even now, that is true, but JTEM makes up in quality what he lacks in quantity.
[3] I'm assuming, of course, that you would prefer that people not think of >>> you as a troll. If I am wrong about that, then of course it would be good news.
In particular, you exhibited extraordinary ingenuity during the year I boycotted
you, in a huge number of posts, of trolling me so cleverly that you had some reason
to believe that I would quite forget myself and reply to you before 2019 was up.
You always do a good job of exhibiting the first level of existence as described by Kierkegaard,
the esthetic, while showing no trace of the second level, the ethical.
In _Irrational Man_, in his chapter on Kierkegaard, William Barrett wrote:
"Kierkegaard explores the aesthetic attitude with great subtlety and sympathy; but he says, in the end it must collapse into despair. Ancient Epicureanism shows this, for it is haunted by the images of despair that
it has sought to banish from its thinking. The most beautiful Epicurean
poems of the Greeks and Romans are always haunted by sadness: there is a grinning skull behind the flowers."
[snip more silly stuff]
That's the esthetic level, all the way. You know, I'm sure, that the
silly stuff was by Oxyaena,
but your loyalties are with her, all the way. To you I am almost as distasteful as Glenn --correct?
The difference is that you cannot dismiss me as easily as you can Glenn. You'd sound like
the troll Oxyaena has been on this thread, and that kind of behavior
doesn't sit as well with you
as it does with her.
Have a nice weekend. The following should make it pleasant for you: thanks in part to you,
I haven't had the time today to give Harshman the comeuppance that he has earned for himself.
And, as you know, I almost never post on weekends to either talk.origins or s.b.e.
TGIF.
On Friday, September 17, 2021 at 5:22:43 PM UTC-7, 69jp...@gmail.com wrote:
On Fri, 17 Sep 2021 10:35:43 -0700 (PDT), Glenn <GlennS...@msn.com>
wrote:
Did you know this?
"There are many other innate immune cells, such as dendritic cells, gamma–delta T cells, and natural killer (NK) cells"
https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMra2026131
Did you know this?
****************************
It has also been argued that this possible Megalosaurus bone was given
the very first species name ever applied to an extinct dinosaur.
Plot's engraving of the Cornwell bone was again used in a book by
Richard Brookes in 1763. Brookes, in a caption, called it "Scrotum
humanum," apparently comparing its appearance to a pair of "human
testicles".
****************************
While both your cite and mine are completely irrelevant to anything
anybody wrote in this topic, mine is unique by being topical to the
froup.
You're a unique fruitcase, to that I agree.
On Thursday, September 16, 2021 at 6:27:41 PM UTC-4, Oxyaena wrote:
On 9/16/2021 12:04 PM, Peter Nyikos wrote:
[Erik Simpson trolled:]
Peter seems to be talking to Mario, or maybe Glenn. He's been a little confused lately.
Datum: Erik is licking the boots of jillery, and projecting his own confusion onto me.
Non. The only bootlicking being done here is by yourself.
This trolling is way below JTEM magnitude: it is a mindless Pee Wee Hermanism [1],
whose mindlessness is apparent from the way you are relying on a shameless lie
of yours for the only "evidence" that I did any bootlicking of anyone.
[1] "I know you are but what am I?" is the juvenile comeback that Pee Wee Herman
used copiously in one of his films. The implicit substitution of "Erik and jillery" for
"I" doesn't affect the nature of your mindless idiocy.
As is always the case when I post exclusively in the third person, I am speaking
to the general readership.
As if anyone gives a shit about your petty vendettas.
The hypocrisy of this statement is astronomical. I am the person you have been >fanatically obsessed with since your earliest talk.origins/s.b.e. beginnings, when you
called yourself Thrinaxodon, and posted a hundred times under the byline "Nyikos repellent."
You even admitted to Erik Simpson during my long postponed delay in returning to Usenet
at the beginning of this year that you "can't live with him, can't live without him."
You even emailed me -- someone NO other talk.origins participant or s.b.p. participant
who is still around ever did, wondering what had become of me.
To top it all off, when I did a rather impersonal but civil reply, you whined about how you
should be given credit for taking the trouble to find out about me.
[snip groveling]
Another snip-n-deceive: your whining for credit in that email outdid any groveling
I've done anywhere on the internet in the last decade.
I gave a hint to Glenn last week about the topic of an upcoming thread,
Even you must surely recognize that Glenn does not give a single flying
fuck about anything on-topic wrt sbp.
You being Thrinaxodon/Oxyaena, I expect you to be trolling about this
even after I show that I know you are wrong. Maybe *especially*
after I show you wrong.
Before that, though, I point out that you are assuming that I am
a mind reader, and I think Harshman would love the way you
are prostituting your integrity in this way while (probably knowingly) >working the opposite side of the street that he has worked for the past decade.
Here is where Glenn showed the interest that you pretended that
I knew couldn't exist, and I responded accordingly:
https://groups.google.com/g/sci.bio.paleontology/c/TLUIIrH2Vug/m/N0dscqVwAwAJ >Re: The origin of animals: an ancestral reconstruction of the unicellular-to- multicellular transition
"Ancient boronaviruses and modern vaccines"
in which the word "Ancient" is the key to why it is on topic
to talk about the coronaviruses the way I have been doing.
It refers to viruses that produced their effects on vertebrates,
and indirectly via evolution on us humans, many millions of years ago.
The thread has been delayed because, as I was continuing my research on the topic
last weekend, I realized that it is a topic with many facets that I hadn't learned about
before, and I have to put a lot more thought into it. Perhaps it will only be delayed
a week, perhaps longer.
Then get cracking. Why are you wasting your time here rather than doing
your "extensive research?"
Thank you for implicitly admitting that jillery and Erik were trolling: >"wasting your time here" means that they succeeded in getting me to "feed the trolls".
On 9/9/21 5:37 PM, Peter Nyikos wrote:Generally?
On Thursday, September 9, 2021 at 4:30:32 PM UTC-4, John Harshman wrote:
On 9/9/21 12:16 PM, Peter Nyikos wrote:
On Thursday, September 9, 2021 at 11:59:22 AM UTC-4, John Harshman wrote: >>>> On 9/9/21 7:50 AM, Peter Nyikos wrote:
Continued in next reply to this post. I will hold off with it until evening,
to see whether Harshman or Hemidactylus or Oxyaena give a damn about either Jews
or vaccinations enough to reply to something by either of us on either subject.
I have made the choice not to engage further with a rabid anti-semite. >>>> And, apparently, a rabid anti-various other unstated groups, who
proposes extermination as a general solution. You have to draw the line >>>> somewhere.
How about posting on the subject of the coronavirus, or vaccination? Here is something in the
article that Hemidactylus linked which I find puzzling:
"These spikes, by themselves, are not dangerous. They can't make anyone sick."
https://www.webmd.com/lung/news/20210719/covid-19-vaccines-not-gene-therapy
What is it, then, about the virus that makes some people deathly sick? Some other part of the
virus that our antibodies are unable to target?
What makes you sick, presumably, is all the virus replicating and lysing >> your cells to get out. Certainly not the spike protein.
Thanks. Strangely enough, I never read about that lysing feature. Somehow I imaginedTurns out that SARS-Cov-2 doesn't generally lyse cells.
the viruses exiting the way the spike proteins molecules produced by mRNA vaccines exit one at a time,
to where they can be detected by the immune system, and without their exits causing
major damage to the cells.
Instead it
coopts the lysosome to exit. And it appears that nobody actually knows
for sure how the virus damages the body.
Still, it isn't the spike
protein that does it.
On 9/9/21 5:37 PM, Peter Nyikos wrote:
On Thursday, September 9, 2021 at 4:30:32 PM UTC-4, John Harshman wrote:
On 9/9/21 12:16 PM, Peter Nyikos wrote:
How about posting on the subject of the coronavirus, or vaccination? Here is something in the
article that Hemidactylus linked which I find puzzling:
"These spikes, by themselves, are not dangerous. They can't make anyone sick."
https://www.webmd.com/lung/news/20210719/covid-19-vaccines-not-gene-therapy
What is it, then, about the virus that makes some people deathly sick? Some other part of the
virus that our antibodies are unable to target?
What makes you sick, presumably, is all the virus replicating and lysing >> your cells to get out. Certainly not the spike protein.
Thanks. Strangely enough, I never read about that lysing feature. Somehow I imagined
the viruses exiting the way the spike proteins molecules produced by mRNA vaccines exit one at a time,
to where they can be detected by the immune system, and without their exits causing
major damage to the cells.
Turns out that SARS-Cov-2 doesn't generally lyse cells.
Instead it coopts the lysosome to exit.
And it appears that nobody actually knows
for sure how the virus damages the body.
Still, it isn't the spike protein that does it.
On 9/9/2021 7:31 PM, Peter Nyikos wrote:
On Thursday, September 9, 2021 at 4:41:18 PM UTC-4, Oxyaena wrote:
On 9/9/2021 10:50 AM, Peter Nyikos wrote:
On Wednesday, September 8, 2021 at 10:48:50 PM UTC-4, Mario Petrinovic wrote:
Based on the criteria of the majority. Even if I am not part of that >>>> majority, and even if this "hygiene" applies on me.
Regarding Jews, aren't they the most notorious example? I mean,
everybody knows everything about Jews.
Maybe in your part of Croatia [although I doubt it] but certainly
not in the USA. The endless harping on the Holocaust -- not that I
mind most of it, "Schindler's List" was jarring even to me -- drowns out >>> anything negative people here say in the media about Jews.
Lest there be any misunderstanding: I'm glad I saw "Schindler's List," because it brought home to me the utter inhumanity of the Nazi extermination
campaign like nothing I saw before -- including the ghastly scenes of actual footage in "Judgment at Nuremberg."
I have to agree that the Holocaust receives a bit too much attention
compared to other genocides and atrocities, like the Native American
Holocaust, or the Naqba when the Zionists ethnically cleansed Palestine >> of almost all of its indigenous people.
Interesting how you compare the cold blooded murder of millions of Jews with
the displacement of peoples.
Interesting how you whitewash the cold-blooded 75+ year long oppression
of the Palestinian people
as "mere ethnic displacement." You've always
been a piece of shit, Peter, but this is a new low even for you.
Can you point me to a webpage where
it is explained how the partition of Palestine and the resulting displacements
are different in their nature from the partition that created India and Pakistan,
resulting in the displacement of millions of Hindus living in what became Pakistan
and millions of Muslims living in what became India?
Does that make it any better?
Palestinians are to this day oppressed by
the Apartheid regime in Israel,
or have you shoved your head so far up your own ass
that Apartheid in any form is a "good thing" that we should
strive for? Both the partitions of the Indian subcontinent and Palestine
are the results of British imperialism, so they share common ground in
that front.
That said, I am appalled by the genocides and atrocities by White Anglos against
Native Americans. I cannot understand why there isn't a major hue
and cry against Andrew Jackson, responsible for the deaths of thousands of Cherokee, including untold numbers of women and children, by
starvation and exposure to cold during the Trail of Tears, being commemorated by his portrait on the $20 bill.
I have to agree with you there.
On Thursday, September 9, 2021 at 9:41:06 PM UTC-4, John Harshman wrote:
On 9/9/21 5:37 PM, Peter Nyikos wrote:
On Thursday, September 9, 2021 at 4:30:32 PM UTC-4, John Harshman wrote: >>>> On 9/9/21 12:16 PM, Peter Nyikos wrote:
How about posting on the subject of the coronavirus, or vaccination? Here is something in the
article that Hemidactylus linked which I find puzzling:
"These spikes, by themselves, are not dangerous. They can't make anyone sick."
https://www.webmd.com/lung/news/20210719/covid-19-vaccines-not-gene-therapy
What is it, then, about the virus that makes some people deathly sick? Some other part of the
virus that our antibodies are unable to target?
What makes you sick, presumably, is all the virus replicating and lysing >>>> your cells to get out. Certainly not the spike protein.
Thanks. Strangely enough, I never read about that lysing feature. Somehow I imagined
the viruses exiting the way the spike proteins molecules produced by mRNA vaccines exit one at a time,
to where they can be detected by the immune system, and without their exits causing
major damage to the cells.
Turns out that SARS-Cov-2 doesn't generally lyse cells.
Does it *ever* lyse cells?
Instead it coopts the lysosome to exit.
How about telling us where you found out about these things?
I've seen something very different that is connected with lysosomes:
"The SARS-CoV-2 protein ORF3a inhibits fusion of autophagosomes with lysosomes"
https://www.nature.com/articles/s41421-021-00268-z
blocking the fusion of autophagosomes with lysosomes. ORF3a colocalized with lysosomes and interacted with VPS39, a component of the homotypic fusion and protein sorting (HOPS) complex. The ORF3a–VPS39 interaction prohibited the binding of HOPS withAnd it appears that nobody actually knows
for sure how the virus damages the body.
The article I've referenced above gives a clue. It is very technical,
as you can see from the main part of the abstract:
"Autophagy is an intracellular lysosomal degradation pathway for the clearance of various cargoes, including viruses. Here, we systematically screened 28 viral proteins of SARS-CoV-2 and identified that ORF3a strongly inhibited autophagic flux by
The introduction seems to give a connection to something that was written almost a year and a half ago, by the following article, that indicated that itinfected lung tissue and cause massive amounts of damage in the process of cleaning out the virus and any infected cells."
somehow stimulates the immune system to go haywire:
https://theconversation.com/what-the-coronavirus-does-to-your-body-that-makes-it-so-deadly-133856
"As with SARS, most of the damage in COVID-19, the illness caused by the new coronavirus, is caused by the immune system carrying out a scorched earth defense to stop the virus from spreading. Millions of cells from the immune system invade the
This is in line with something Wikipedia says about autophagy:syndrome and end-organ injury9,10,11,12. There is an urgent need to understand how SARS-CoV-2 regulates host cellular responses and hijacks host cells to escape degradation/clearance."
"In disease, autophagy has been seen as an adaptive response to stress, promoting survival of the cell; but in other cases, it appears to promote cell death and morbidity."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Autophagy
Back to the nature.com article, specifically the Introduction, where we read more about
this haywire immune system response:
"Severe cases of COVID-19 are associated with hyperinflammation, also known as cytokine storm syndrome6,7,8. Uncontrolled infection and replication of SARS-CoV-2 cause this rampant inflammatory response that results in acute respiratory distress
Still, it isn't the spike protein that does it.
It does look that way: it was among the 28 viral proteins they screened, but it only gets
mentioned once, by way of a complete listing.
On Thursday, September 9, 2021 at 9:41:06 PM UTC-4, John Harshman wrote:blocking the fusion of autophagosomes with lysosomes. ORF3a colocalized with lysosomes and interacted with VPS39, a component of the homotypic fusion and protein sorting (HOPS) complex. The ORF3a–VPS39 interaction prohibited the binding of HOPS with
On 9/9/21 5:37 PM, Peter Nyikos wrote:
On Thursday, September 9, 2021 at 4:30:32 PM UTC-4, John Harshman wrote:
On 9/9/21 12:16 PM, Peter Nyikos wrote:
How about posting on the subject of the coronavirus, or vaccination? Here is something in the
article that Hemidactylus linked which I find puzzling:
"These spikes, by themselves, are not dangerous. They can't make anyone sick."
https://www.webmd.com/lung/news/20210719/covid-19-vaccines-not-gene-therapy
What is it, then, about the virus that makes some people deathly sick? Some other part of the
virus that our antibodies are unable to target?
What makes you sick, presumably, is all the virus replicating and lysing
your cells to get out. Certainly not the spike protein.
Thanks. Strangely enough, I never read about that lysing feature. Somehow I imagined
the viruses exiting the way the spike proteins molecules produced by mRNA vaccines exit one at a time,
to where they can be detected by the immune system, and without their exits causing
major damage to the cells.
Turns out that SARS-Cov-2 doesn't generally lyse cells.Does it *ever* lyse cells?
Instead it coopts the lysosome to exit.How about telling us where you found out about these things?
I've seen something very different that is connected with lysosomes:
"The SARS-CoV-2 protein ORF3a inhibits fusion of autophagosomes with lysosomes"
https://www.nature.com/articles/s41421-021-00268-z
And it appears that nobody actually knowsThe article I've referenced above gives a clue. It is very technical,
for sure how the virus damages the body.
as you can see from the main part of the abstract:
"Autophagy is an intracellular lysosomal degradation pathway for the clearance of various cargoes, including viruses. Here, we systematically screened 28 viral proteins of SARS-CoV-2 and identified that ORF3a strongly inhibited autophagic flux by
The introduction seems to give a connection to something that was written almost a year and a half ago, by the following article, that indicated that itinfected lung tissue and cause massive amounts of damage in the process of cleaning out the virus and any infected cells."
somehow stimulates the immune system to go haywire:
https://theconversation.com/what-the-coronavirus-does-to-your-body-that-makes-it-so-deadly-133856
"As with SARS, most of the damage in COVID-19, the illness caused by the new coronavirus, is caused by the immune system carrying out a scorched earth defense to stop the virus from spreading. Millions of cells from the immune system invade the
This is in line with something Wikipedia says about autophagy:syndrome and end-organ injury9,10,11,12. There is an urgent need to understand how SARS-CoV-2 regulates host cellular responses and hijacks host cells to escape degradation/clearance."
"In disease, autophagy has been seen as an adaptive response to stress, promoting survival of the cell; but in other cases, it appears to promote cell death and morbidity."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Autophagy
Back to the nature.com article, specifically the Introduction, where we read more about
this haywire immune system response:
"Severe cases of COVID-19 are associated with hyperinflammation, also known as cytokine storm syndrome6,7,8. Uncontrolled infection and replication of SARS-CoV-2 cause this rampant inflammatory response that results in acute respiratory distress
Still, it isn't the spike protein that does it.It does look that way: it was among the 28 viral proteins they screened, but it only gets
mentioned once, by way of a complete listing.
On Tuesday, September 21, 2021 at 7:37:36 AM UTC-7, Peter Nyikos wrote:blocking the fusion of autophagosomes with lysosomes. ORF3a colocalized with lysosomes and interacted with VPS39, a component of the homotypic fusion and protein sorting (HOPS) complex. The ORF3a–VPS39 interaction prohibited the binding of HOPS with
On Thursday, September 9, 2021 at 9:41:06 PM UTC-4, John Harshman wrote:
On 9/9/21 5:37 PM, Peter Nyikos wrote:
On Thursday, September 9, 2021 at 4:30:32 PM UTC-4, John Harshman wrote:
On 9/9/21 12:16 PM, Peter Nyikos wrote:
How about posting on the subject of the coronavirus, or vaccination? Here is something in the
article that Hemidactylus linked which I find puzzling:
"These spikes, by themselves, are not dangerous. They can't make anyone sick."
https://www.webmd.com/lung/news/20210719/covid-19-vaccines-not-gene-therapy
What is it, then, about the virus that makes some people deathly sick? Some other part of the
virus that our antibodies are unable to target?
What makes you sick, presumably, is all the virus replicating and lysing
your cells to get out. Certainly not the spike protein.
Thanks. Strangely enough, I never read about that lysing feature. Somehow I imagined
the viruses exiting the way the spike proteins molecules produced by mRNA vaccines exit one at a time,
to where they can be detected by the immune system, and without their exits causing
major damage to the cells.
Turns out that SARS-Cov-2 doesn't generally lyse cells.Does it *ever* lyse cells?
Instead it coopts the lysosome to exit.How about telling us where you found out about these things?
I've seen something very different that is connected with lysosomes:
"The SARS-CoV-2 protein ORF3a inhibits fusion of autophagosomes with lysosomes"
https://www.nature.com/articles/s41421-021-00268-z
And it appears that nobody actually knowsThe article I've referenced above gives a clue. It is very technical,
for sure how the virus damages the body.
as you can see from the main part of the abstract:
"Autophagy is an intracellular lysosomal degradation pathway for the clearance of various cargoes, including viruses. Here, we systematically screened 28 viral proteins of SARS-CoV-2 and identified that ORF3a strongly inhibited autophagic flux by
infected lung tissue and cause massive amounts of damage in the process of cleaning out the virus and any infected cells."The introduction seems to give a connection to something that was written almost a year and a half ago, by the following article, that indicated that it
somehow stimulates the immune system to go haywire:
https://theconversation.com/what-the-coronavirus-does-to-your-body-that-makes-it-so-deadly-133856
"As with SARS, most of the damage in COVID-19, the illness caused by the new coronavirus, is caused by the immune system carrying out a scorched earth defense to stop the virus from spreading. Millions of cells from the immune system invade the
syndrome and end-organ injury9,10,11,12. There is an urgent need to understand how SARS-CoV-2 regulates host cellular responses and hijacks host cells to escape degradation/clearance."This is in line with something Wikipedia says about autophagy:
"In disease, autophagy has been seen as an adaptive response to stress, promoting survival of the cell; but in other cases, it appears to promote cell death and morbidity."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Autophagy
Back to the nature.com article, specifically the Introduction, where we read more about
this haywire immune system response:
"Severe cases of COVID-19 are associated with hyperinflammation, also known as cytokine storm syndrome6,7,8. Uncontrolled infection and replication of SARS-CoV-2 cause this rampant inflammatory response that results in acute respiratory distress
Still, it isn't the spike protein that does it.It does look that way: it was among the 28 viral proteins they screened, but it only gets
mentioned once, by way of a complete listing.
Here's an easy one to read:
"Although the mechanism of viral egress is not fully known, there is evidence indicating that proteins present on the viral envelope such as the spike, membrane, and envelope proteins play essential roles in the egress process."
https://www.news-medical.net/news/20210421/SARS-CoV-1-utilizes-ORF3a-protein-to-trigger-viral-release.aspx
That may, if you are interested, lead you to papers more technical in detail.
On Tuesday, September 21, 2021 at 8:15:34 AM UTC-7, Glenn wrote:
On Tuesday, September 21, 2021 at 7:37:36 AM UTC-7, Peter Nyikos wrote:
On Thursday, September 9, 2021 at 9:41:06 PM UTC-4, John Harshman wrote:
On 9/9/21 5:37 PM, Peter Nyikos wrote:
On Thursday, September 9, 2021 at 4:30:32 PM UTC-4, John Harshman wrote:
On 9/9/21 12:16 PM, Peter Nyikos wrote:
How about posting on the subject of the coronavirus, or vaccination? Here is something in the
article that Hemidactylus linked which I find puzzling:
"These spikes, by themselves, are not dangerous. They can't make anyone sick."
https://www.webmd.com/lung/news/20210719/covid-19-vaccines-not-gene-therapy
What is it, then, about the virus that makes some people deathly sick? Some other part of the
virus that our antibodies are unable to target?
What makes you sick, presumably, is all the virus replicating and lysing
your cells to get out. Certainly not the spike protein.
Thanks. Strangely enough, I never read about that lysing feature. Somehow I imagined
the viruses exiting the way the spike proteins molecules produced by mRNA vaccines exit one at a time,
to where they can be detected by the immune system, and without their exits causing
major damage to the cells.
Turns out that SARS-Cov-2 doesn't generally lyse cells.
Does it *ever* lyse cells?
Instead it coopts the lysosome to exit.How about telling us where you found out about these things?
blocking the fusion of autophagosomes with lysosomes. ORF3a colocalized with lysosomes and interacted with VPS39, a component of the homotypic fusion and protein sorting (HOPS) complex. The ORF3a–VPS39 interaction prohibited the binding of HOPS withI've seen something very different that is connected with lysosomes:
"The SARS-CoV-2 protein ORF3a inhibits fusion of autophagosomes with lysosomes"
https://www.nature.com/articles/s41421-021-00268-z
And it appears that nobody actually knowsThe article I've referenced above gives a clue. It is very technical,
for sure how the virus damages the body.
as you can see from the main part of the abstract:
"Autophagy is an intracellular lysosomal degradation pathway for the clearance of various cargoes, including viruses. Here, we systematically screened 28 viral proteins of SARS-CoV-2 and identified that ORF3a strongly inhibited autophagic flux by
infected lung tissue and cause massive amounts of damage in the process of cleaning out the virus and any infected cells."The introduction seems to give a connection to something that was written
almost a year and a half ago, by the following article, that indicated that it
somehow stimulates the immune system to go haywire:
https://theconversation.com/what-the-coronavirus-does-to-your-body-that-makes-it-so-deadly-133856
"As with SARS, most of the damage in COVID-19, the illness caused by the new coronavirus, is caused by the immune system carrying out a scorched earth defense to stop the virus from spreading. Millions of cells from the immune system invade the
syndrome and end-organ injury9,10,11,12. There is an urgent need to understand how SARS-CoV-2 regulates host cellular responses and hijacks host cells to escape degradation/clearance."This is in line with something Wikipedia says about autophagy:
"In disease, autophagy has been seen as an adaptive response to stress, promoting survival of the cell; but in other cases, it appears to promote cell death and morbidity."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Autophagy
Back to the nature.com article, specifically the Introduction, where we read more about
this haywire immune system response:
"Severe cases of COVID-19 are associated with hyperinflammation, also known as cytokine storm syndrome6,7,8. Uncontrolled infection and replication of SARS-CoV-2 cause this rampant inflammatory response that results in acute respiratory distress
Still, it isn't the spike protein that does it.
It does look that way: it was among the 28 viral proteins they screened, but it only gets
mentioned once, by way of a complete listing.
Here's an easy one to read:
"Although the mechanism of viral egress is not fully known, there is evidence indicating that proteins present on the viral envelope such as the spike, membrane, and envelope proteins play essential roles in the egress process."
https://www.news-medical.net/news/20210421/SARS-CoV-1-utilizes-ORF3a-protein-to-trigger-viral-release.aspx
That may, if you are interested, lead you to papers more technical in detail.
I just realized that John seems to be claiming that the spike protein is not what "stimulates the immune system".
It just occurred to me you may have confused the claim "it isn't the spike protein that does it" to mean either that the spike protein does not play a role in the virus exiting the cell, or does not play a role in tricking infected cells themselvesinto thinking nothing is wrong.
An obvious point:
"Viral components like spike and nucleocapsid proteins trigger an immune response in the host to eliminate the virus."
https://www.frontiersin.org/articles/10.3389/fimmu.2020.01949/full
More as to what may play a role in the virus exiting the cell,
"ORF3 is wedged between spike (S) and envelop (E) ORFs and encodes for a membrane-spanning, ion channel protein ORF3a."
"Yount et.al and others have shown that ORF3a has been co-evolved with Spike (S) protein, suggesting the possibility of direct or indirect interactions between ORF3a and S protein"
https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.03.26.437194v1.full
On Tuesday, September 21, 2021 at 12:00:12 PM UTC-4, Glenn wrote:blocking the fusion of autophagosomes with lysosomes. ORF3a colocalized with lysosomes and interacted with VPS39, a component of the homotypic fusion and protein sorting (HOPS) complex. The ORF3a–VPS39 interaction prohibited the binding of HOPS with
On Tuesday, September 21, 2021 at 8:15:34 AM UTC-7, Glenn wrote:
On Tuesday, September 21, 2021 at 7:37:36 AM UTC-7, Peter Nyikos wrote:
On Thursday, September 9, 2021 at 9:41:06 PM UTC-4, John Harshman wrote:
On 9/9/21 5:37 PM, Peter Nyikos wrote:
On Thursday, September 9, 2021 at 4:30:32 PM UTC-4, John Harshman wrote:
On 9/9/21 12:16 PM, Peter Nyikos wrote:
How about posting on the subject of the coronavirus, or vaccination? Here is something in the
article that Hemidactylus linked which I find puzzling:
"These spikes, by themselves, are not dangerous. They can't make anyone sick."
https://www.webmd.com/lung/news/20210719/covid-19-vaccines-not-gene-therapy
What is it, then, about the virus that makes some people deathly sick? Some other part of the
virus that our antibodies are unable to target?
What makes you sick, presumably, is all the virus replicating and lysing
your cells to get out. Certainly not the spike protein.
Thanks. Strangely enough, I never read about that lysing feature. Somehow I imagined
the viruses exiting the way the spike proteins molecules produced by mRNA vaccines exit one at a time,
to where they can be detected by the immune system, and without their exits causing
major damage to the cells.
Turns out that SARS-Cov-2 doesn't generally lyse cells.
Harshman retracted the word "generally." He knows of no such effect.Does it *ever* lyse cells?
Harshman doesn't recall where he read about the cooptation.Instead it coopts the lysosome to exit.How about telling us where you found out about these things?
He is far less concerned about documenting things than you are.
I've seen something very different that is connected with lysosomes:
"The SARS-CoV-2 protein ORF3a inhibits fusion of autophagosomes with lysosomes"
https://www.nature.com/articles/s41421-021-00268-z
And it appears that nobody actually knowsThe article I've referenced above gives a clue. It is very technical, as you can see from the main part of the abstract:
for sure how the virus damages the body.
"Autophagy is an intracellular lysosomal degradation pathway for the clearance of various cargoes, including viruses. Here, we systematically screened 28 viral proteins of SARS-CoV-2 and identified that ORF3a strongly inhibited autophagic flux by
infected lung tissue and cause massive amounts of damage in the process of cleaning out the virus and any infected cells."The introduction seems to give a connection to something that was written
almost a year and a half ago, by the following article, that indicated that it
somehow stimulates the immune system to go haywire:
https://theconversation.com/what-the-coronavirus-does-to-your-body-that-makes-it-so-deadly-133856
"As with SARS, most of the damage in COVID-19, the illness caused by the new coronavirus, is caused by the immune system carrying out a scorched earth defense to stop the virus from spreading. Millions of cells from the immune system invade the
syndrome and end-organ injury9,10,11,12. There is an urgent need to understand how SARS-CoV-2 regulates host cellular responses and hijacks host cells to escape degradation/clearance."This is in line with something Wikipedia says about autophagy:
"In disease, autophagy has been seen as an adaptive response to stress, promoting survival of the cell; but in other cases, it appears to promote cell death and morbidity."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Autophagy
Back to the nature.com article, specifically the Introduction, where we read more about
this haywire immune system response:
"Severe cases of COVID-19 are associated with hyperinflammation, also known as cytokine storm syndrome6,7,8. Uncontrolled infection and replication of SARS-CoV-2 cause this rampant inflammatory response that results in acute respiratory distress
Still, it isn't the spike protein that does it.
It does look that way: it was among the 28 viral proteins they screened, but it only gets
mentioned once, by way of a complete listing.
into thinking nothing is wrong.Here's an easy one to read:
"Although the mechanism of viral egress is not fully known, there is evidence indicating that proteins present on the viral envelope such as the spike, membrane, and envelope proteins play essential roles in the egress process."
https://www.news-medical.net/news/20210421/SARS-CoV-1-utilizes-ORF3a-protein-to-trigger-viral-release.aspx
Thank you. It is an easy read, but it has a disclaimer about not being peer reviewed. However, hardThat may, if you are interested, lead you to papers more technical in detail.
data from experiments cannot be lightly taken, and here is something from a linked article
along those lines:
"In fully vaccinated SARS-CoV-2 naïve individuals, the antibody levels after 134 days of second vaccination reduced to the levels observed in unvaccinated COVID-19 recovered individuals after 220 days of symptom onset."
https://www.news-medical.net/news/20210915/Natural-SARS-CoV-2-infection-induces-more-durable-immunity-than-vaccination.aspx
There is other evidence for the statement in the url. This is in contrast to a lot of what I've been reading
elsewhere, where ONLY antibody levels specifically targeting the spike protein were compared.
I just realized that John seems to be claiming that the spike protein is not what "stimulates the immune system".You could interpret what he wrote that way, but his "does it" seems more to do with direct
damage by the virus. That was the theme before I reminded him about the indirect effect,
right in the post to which you are replying.
And suddenly, Harshman acts as though he had known about the indirect effect all along,
in his reply to the same post of mine to which you are replying..
It just occurred to me you may have confused the claim "it isn't the spike protein that does it" to mean either that the spike protein does not play a role in the virus exiting the cell, or does not play a role in tricking infected cells themselves
No, I've interpreted it as having to do with serious direct damage to the cell, but not to the extent
that lysing does, which would destroy the cell outright.
An obvious point:
"Viral components like spike and nucleocapsid proteins trigger an immune response in the host to eliminate the virus."
https://www.frontiersin.org/articles/10.3389/fimmu.2020.01949/full
More as to what may play a role in the virus exiting the cell,
"ORF3 is wedged between spike (S) and envelop (E) ORFs and encodes for a membrane-spanning, ion channel protein ORF3a."
"Yount et.al and others have shown that ORF3a has been co-evolved with Spike (S) protein, suggesting the possibility of direct or indirect interactions between ORF3a and S protein"
https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.03.26.437194v1.fullLots of good stuff to delve into. Thanks.
John isn't pulling his weight in this discussion. That's typical of at least 90% of the threads
in which he participates. By the time they end, it's close to 100% of him not bringing
anything useful to the table.
On Tuesday, September 21, 2021 at 11:38:52 AM UTC-7, Peter Nyikos wrote:by blocking the fusion of autophagosomes with lysosomes. ORF3a colocalized with lysosomes and interacted with VPS39, a component of the homotypic fusion and protein sorting (HOPS) complex. The ORF3a–VPS39 interaction prohibited the binding of HOPS with
On Tuesday, September 21, 2021 at 12:00:12 PM UTC-4, Glenn wrote:
On Tuesday, September 21, 2021 at 8:15:34 AM UTC-7, Glenn wrote:
On Tuesday, September 21, 2021 at 7:37:36 AM UTC-7, Peter Nyikos wrote:
On Thursday, September 9, 2021 at 9:41:06 PM UTC-4, John Harshman wrote:
On 9/9/21 5:37 PM, Peter Nyikos wrote:
On Thursday, September 9, 2021 at 4:30:32 PM UTC-4, John Harshman wrote:
On 9/9/21 12:16 PM, Peter Nyikos wrote:
How about posting on the subject of the coronavirus, or vaccination? Here is something in the
article that Hemidactylus linked which I find puzzling:
"These spikes, by themselves, are not dangerous. They can't make anyone sick."
https://www.webmd.com/lung/news/20210719/covid-19-vaccines-not-gene-therapy
What is it, then, about the virus that makes some people deathly sick? Some other part of the
virus that our antibodies are unable to target?
What makes you sick, presumably, is all the virus replicating and lysing
your cells to get out. Certainly not the spike protein.
Thanks. Strangely enough, I never read about that lysing feature. Somehow I imagined
the viruses exiting the way the spike proteins molecules produced by mRNA vaccines exit one at a time,
to where they can be detected by the immune system, and without their exits causing
major damage to the cells.
Turns out that SARS-Cov-2 doesn't generally lyse cells.
Does it *ever* lyse cells?
Harshman retracted the word "generally" in his reply. He knows of no such effect.
Harshman doesn't recall where he read about the cooptation.Instead it coopts the lysosome to exit.How about telling us where you found out about these things?
He is far less concerned about documenting things than you are.
I've seen something very different that is connected with lysosomes:
"The SARS-CoV-2 protein ORF3a inhibits fusion of autophagosomes with lysosomes"
https://www.nature.com/articles/s41421-021-00268-z
And it appears that nobody actually knowsThe article I've referenced above gives a clue. It is very technical,
for sure how the virus damages the body.
as you can see from the main part of the abstract:
"Autophagy is an intracellular lysosomal degradation pathway for the clearance of various cargoes, including viruses. Here, we systematically screened 28 viral proteins of SARS-CoV-2 and identified that ORF3a strongly inhibited autophagic flux
infected lung tissue and cause massive amounts of damage in the process of cleaning out the virus and any infected cells."The introduction seems to give a connection to something that was written
almost a year and a half ago, by the following article, that indicated that it
somehow stimulates the immune system to go haywire:
https://theconversation.com/what-the-coronavirus-does-to-your-body-that-makes-it-so-deadly-133856
"As with SARS, most of the damage in COVID-19, the illness caused by the new coronavirus, is caused by the immune system carrying out a scorched earth defense to stop the virus from spreading. Millions of cells from the immune system invade the
distress syndrome and end-organ injury9,10,11,12. There is an urgent need to understand how SARS-CoV-2 regulates host cellular responses and hijacks host cells to escape degradation/clearance."This is in line with something Wikipedia says about autophagy:
"In disease, autophagy has been seen as an adaptive response to stress, promoting survival of the cell; but in other cases, it appears to promote cell death and morbidity."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Autophagy
Back to the nature.com article, specifically the Introduction, where we read more about
this haywire immune system response:
"Severe cases of COVID-19 are associated with hyperinflammation, also known as cytokine storm syndrome6,7,8. Uncontrolled infection and replication of SARS-CoV-2 cause this rampant inflammatory response that results in acute respiratory
Still, it isn't the spike protein that does it.
It does look that way: it was among the 28 viral proteins they screened, but it only gets
mentioned once, by way of a complete listing.
Here's an easy one to read:
"Although the mechanism of viral egress is not fully known, there is evidence indicating that proteins present on the viral envelope such as the spike, membrane, and envelope proteins play essential roles in the egress process."
https://www.news-medical.net/news/20210421/SARS-CoV-1-utilizes-ORF3a-protein-to-trigger-viral-release.aspx
That may, if you are interested, lead you to papers more technical in detail.
Thank you. It is an easy read, but it has a disclaimer about not being peer reviewed. However, hard
data from experiments cannot be lightly taken, and here is something from a linked article
along those lines:
"In fully vaccinated SARS-CoV-2 naïve individuals, the antibody levels after 134 days of second vaccination reduced to the levels observed in unvaccinated COVID-19 recovered individuals after 220 days of symptom onset."
https://www.news-medical.net/news/20210915/Natural-SARS-CoV-2-infection-induces-more-durable-immunity-than-vaccination.aspx
There is other evidence for the statement in the url. This is in contrast to a lot of what I've been reading
elsewhere, where ONLY antibody levels specifically targeting the spike protein were compared.
into thinking nothing is wrong.I just realized that John seems to be claiming that the spike protein is not what "stimulates the immune system".You could interpret what he wrote that way, but his "does it" seems more to do with direct
damage by the virus. That was the theme before I reminded him about the indirect effect,
right in the post to which you are replying.
And suddenly, Harshman acts as though he had known about the indirect effect all along,
in his reply to the same post of mine to which you are replying..
It just occurred to me you may have confused the claim "it isn't the spike protein that does it" to mean either that the spike protein does not play a role in the virus exiting the cell, or does not play a role in tricking infected cells themselves
No, I've interpreted it as having to do with serious direct damage to the cell, but not to the extent
that lysing does, which would destroy the cell outright.
An obvious point:
"Viral components like spike and nucleocapsid proteins trigger an immune response in the host to eliminate the virus."
https://www.frontiersin.org/articles/10.3389/fimmu.2020.01949/full
More as to what may play a role in the virus exiting the cell,
"ORF3 is wedged between spike (S) and envelop (E) ORFs and encodes for a membrane-spanning, ion channel protein ORF3a."
"Yount et.al and others have shown that ORF3a has been co-evolved with Spike (S) protein, suggesting the possibility of direct or indirect interactions between ORF3a and S protein"
https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.03.26.437194v1.fullLots of good stuff to delve into. Thanks.
John isn't pulling his weight in this discussion. That's typical of at least 90% of the threads
in which he participates. By the time they end, it's close to 100% of him not bringing
anything useful to the table.
What I have observed over the years is that this is typical for most of the evolutionists.
One explanation is that they are actually afraid of scientific literature. For years I have commented on their lack of support and references, as opposed to my use of them.
The charge of not having a "point" or expressed position on a subject is common among evolutionists,
yet it appears what they
really mean is that their opponents do not admit to what they believe their opponents believe.
In this thread you've been targeted as being sided towards the anti-vax crowd that claims COVID is harmless by itself, as have I.
Notice the lack of references to their claims, and the multiple references I have provided, including giving jillery a clue about the
existence of many types of immune cells.
They're afraid that readers will be confused by the literature and not share their opinions and claims.
Propaganda is rampant in evolutionary science.
On Friday, September 10, 2021 at 11:31:53 PM UTC-4, Oxyaena wrote:
On 9/9/2021 7:31 PM, Peter Nyikos wrote:
On Thursday, September 9, 2021 at 4:41:18 PM UTC-4, Oxyaena wrote:
On 9/9/2021 10:50 AM, Peter Nyikos wrote:
On Wednesday, September 8, 2021 at 10:48:50 PM UTC-4, Mario Petrinovic wrote:
Based on the criteria of the majority. Even if I am not part of that >>>>>> majority, and even if this "hygiene" applies on me.
Regarding Jews, aren't they the most notorious example? I mean,
everybody knows everything about Jews.
Maybe in your part of Croatia [although I doubt it] but certainly
not in the USA. The endless harping on the Holocaust -- not that I
mind most of it, "Schindler's List" was jarring even to me -- drowns out >>>>> anything negative people here say in the media about Jews.
Lest there be any misunderstanding: I'm glad I saw "Schindler's List,"
because it brought home to me the utter inhumanity of the Nazi extermination
campaign like nothing I saw before -- including the ghastly scenes of
actual footage in "Judgment at Nuremberg."
I have to agree that the Holocaust receives a bit too much attention
compared to other genocides and atrocities, like the Native American
Holocaust, or the Naqba when the Zionists ethnically cleansed Palestine >>>> of almost all of its indigenous people.
Note the words, "ethnic cleansing." I looked up the word "Nakba," [generally accepted spelling],
which was new to me, and it turns out that it was only in 1998 that Yasser Arafat actually
made it a formally observed date, May 15. I saw no sign of any atrocities beyond displacement:
Interesting how you compare the cold blooded murder of millions of Jews with
the displacement of peoples.
Interesting how you whitewash the cold-blooded 75+ year long oppression
of the Palestinian people
You are flagrantly, hatefully, moving the goalposts. The Nakba happened about as
many years ago, and you're pretending I was talking about something else altogether.
as "mere ethnic displacement." You've always
been a piece of shit, Peter, but this is a new low even for you.
On the contrary, you have treated me as though I were a piece of shit from the get-go,
Genocide Convention, even as ethnic cleansing has no legal definition under international criminal law.[2][5][6]"Can you point me to a webpage where
it is explained how the partition of Palestine and the resulting displacements
are different in their nature from the partition that created India and Pakistan,
resulting in the displacement of millions of Hindus living in what became Pakistan
and millions of Muslims living in what became India?
Does that make it any better?
Major backpedal from hate-crazed use of "piece of shit" noted. In particular, you cannot cite anything but displacement that is associated with ethnic cleansing:
"it also includes indirect methods aimed at forced migration by coercing the victim group to flee and preventing its return, such as murder, rape, and property destruction.[2][3][4] It constitutes a crime against humanity and may also fall under the
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethnic_cleansing
Palestinians are to this day oppressed by
the Apartheid regime in Israel,
There is nothing like the original Apartheid in Israel. That is one thing I learned from reading up on
the Nakba in official Jewish webpages: there are even Muslims in the Knesset,
On 9/21/2021 11:29 AM, Peter Nyikos wrote:
On Friday, September 10, 2021 at 11:31:53 PM UTC-4, Oxyaena wrote:
On 9/9/2021 7:31 PM, Peter Nyikos wrote:
On Thursday, September 9, 2021 at 4:41:18 PM UTC-4, Oxyaena wrote:
On 9/9/2021 10:50 AM, Peter Nyikos wrote:
On Wednesday, September 8, 2021 at 10:48:50 PM UTC-4, Mario Petrinovic wrote:
Based on the criteria of the majority. Even if I am not part of that >>>>>> majority, and even if this "hygiene" applies on me.
Regarding Jews, aren't they the most notorious example? I mean, >>>>>> everybody knows everything about Jews.
Maybe in your part of Croatia [although I doubt it] but certainly >>>>> not in the USA. The endless harping on the Holocaust -- not that I >>>>> mind most of it, "Schindler's List" was jarring even to me -- drowns out
anything negative people here say in the media about Jews.
Lest there be any misunderstanding: I'm glad I saw "Schindler's List," >>> because it brought home to me the utter inhumanity of the Nazi extermination
campaign like nothing I saw before -- including the ghastly scenes of >>> actual footage in "Judgment at Nuremberg."
I have to agree that the Holocaust receives a bit too much attention >>>> compared to other genocides and atrocities, like the Native American >>>> Holocaust, or the Naqba when the Zionists ethnically cleansed Palestine >>>> of almost all of its indigenous people.
Note the words, "ethnic cleansing." I looked up the word "Nakba," [generally accepted spelling],What makes you think displacement isn't an atrocity in and of itself?
which was new to me, and it turns out that it was only in 1998 that Yasser Arafat actually
made it a formally observed date, May 15. I saw no sign of any atrocities beyond displacement:
Interesting how you compare the cold blooded murder of millions of Jews with
the displacement of peoples.
Interesting how you whitewash the cold-blooded 75+ year long oppression >> of the Palestinian people
You are flagrantly, hatefully, moving the goalposts. The Nakba happened about asYou can't just remove the Nakba from the current experiences of the Palestinian people. There are still millions of Palestinians living in displaced refugee camps, knowing no life outside of the harshness of the camps in question.
many years ago, and you're pretending I was talking about something else altogether.
Genocide Convention, even as ethnic cleansing has no legal definition under international criminal law.[2][5][6]"as "mere ethnic displacement." You've always
been a piece of shit, Peter, but this is a new low even for you.
On the contrary, you have treated me as though I were a piece of shit from the get-go,Because you were and are.
[snip idiocy]
Can you point me to a webpage where
it is explained how the partition of Palestine and the resulting displacements
are different in their nature from the partition that created India and Pakistan,
resulting in the displacement of millions of Hindus living in what became Pakistan
and millions of Muslims living in what became India?
Does that make it any better?
Major backpedal from hate-crazed use of "piece of shit" noted. In particular,
you cannot cite anything but displacement that is associated with ethnic cleansing:
"it also includes indirect methods aimed at forced migration by coercing the victim group to flee and preventing its return, such as murder, rape, and property destruction.[2][3][4] It constitutes a crime against humanity and may also fall under the
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethnic_cleansing
Palestinians are to this day oppressed by
the Apartheid regime in Israel,
There is nothing like the original Apartheid in Israel. That is one thing I learned from reading up onI suggest talking to an actual Palestinian for once, and not from pro-Zionist propaganda pages. That's like reading David Irving for an unbiased source on the Holocaust.
the Nakba in official Jewish webpages: there are even Muslims in the Knesset,
[snip mindless Zionist simping]
On Sunday, September 26, 2021 at 6:22:15 PM UTC-7, Oxyaena wrote:
On 9/21/2021 11:29 AM, Peter Nyikos wrote:
On Friday, September 10, 2021 at 11:31:53 PM UTC-4, Oxyaena wrote:
On 9/9/2021 7:31 PM, Peter Nyikos wrote:
On Thursday, September 9, 2021 at 4:41:18 PM UTC-4, Oxyaena wrote: >>>> On 9/9/2021 10:50 AM, Peter Nyikos wrote:
On Wednesday, September 8, 2021 at 10:48:50 PM UTC-4, Mario Petrinovic wrote:
Based on the criteria of the majority. Even if I am not part of that
majority, and even if this "hygiene" applies on me.
Regarding Jews, aren't they the most notorious example? I mean, >>>>>> everybody knows everything about Jews.
Maybe in your part of Croatia [although I doubt it] but certainly >>>>> not in the USA. The endless harping on the Holocaust -- not that I >>>>> mind most of it, "Schindler's List" was jarring even to me -- drowns out
anything negative people here say in the media about Jews.
Lest there be any misunderstanding: I'm glad I saw "Schindler's List," >>> because it brought home to me the utter inhumanity of the Nazi extermination
campaign like nothing I saw before -- including the ghastly scenes of >>> actual footage in "Judgment at Nuremberg."
I have to agree that the Holocaust receives a bit too much attention >>>> compared to other genocides and atrocities, like the Native American >>>> Holocaust, or the Naqba when the Zionists ethnically cleansed Palestine
of almost all of its indigenous people.
Note the words, "ethnic cleansing." I looked up the word "Nakba," [generally accepted spelling],What makes you think displacement isn't an atrocity in and of itself?
which was new to me, and it turns out that it was only in 1998 that Yasser Arafat actually
made it a formally observed date, May 15. I saw no sign of any atrocities beyond displacement:
Interesting how you compare the cold blooded murder of millions of Jews with
the displacement of peoples.
Interesting how you whitewash the cold-blooded 75+ year long oppression >> of the Palestinian people
You are flagrantly, hatefully, moving the goalposts. The Nakba happened about asYou can't just remove the Nakba from the current experiences of the Palestinian people. There are still millions of Palestinians living in displaced refugee camps, knowing no life outside of the harshness of the camps in question.
many years ago, and you're pretending I was talking about something else altogether.
the Genocide Convention, even as ethnic cleansing has no legal definition under international criminal law.[2][5][6]"as "mere ethnic displacement." You've always
been a piece of shit, Peter, but this is a new low even for you.
On the contrary, you have treated me as though I were a piece of shit from the get-go,Because you were and are.
[snip idiocy]
Can you point me to a webpage where
it is explained how the partition of Palestine and the resulting displacements
are different in their nature from the partition that created India and Pakistan,
resulting in the displacement of millions of Hindus living in what became Pakistan
and millions of Muslims living in what became India?
Does that make it any better?
Major backpedal from hate-crazed use of "piece of shit" noted. In particular,
you cannot cite anything but displacement that is associated with ethnic cleansing:
"it also includes indirect methods aimed at forced migration by coercing the victim group to flee and preventing its return, such as murder, rape, and property destruction.[2][3][4] It constitutes a crime against humanity and may also fall under
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethnic_cleansing
Palestinians are to this day oppressed by
the Apartheid regime in Israel,
There is nothing like the original Apartheid in Israel. That is one thing I learned from reading up on
the Nakba in official Jewish webpages: there are even Muslims in the Knesset,
I suggest talking to an actual Palestinian for once, and not from pro-Zionist propaganda pages. That's like reading David Irving for an unbiased source on the Holocaust.
[snip mindless Zionist simping]
You don't give a shit about Palestinians.
On 12/2/21 4:53 AM, Peter Nyikos wrote:
I still owe you a thread about
"Ancient bornaviruses and modern vaccines"
to make the subject of vaccination fully on topic.
But that will have to wait until next week. This is the last week of classes, >>always the busiest time of the year where my teaching duties are concerned.
I would have supposed that you would have kept this crap in talk.origins
and out of sci.bio.paleontology. If this wasn't a mistake, it's disappointing.
On Thursday, December 2, 2021 at 9:12:38 AM UTC-5, John Harshman wrote:
On 12/2/21 4:53 AM, Peter Nyikos wrote:
[in reply to Glenn:]
I still owe you a thread about
"Ancient bornaviruses and modern vaccines"
to make the subject of vaccination fully on topic.
But that will have to wait until next week. This is the last week of classes,
always the busiest time of the year where my teaching duties are concerned.
I would have supposed that you would have kept this crap in talk.origins
and out of sci.bio.paleontology. If this wasn't a mistake, it's
disappointing.
The real crap is coming from you, and illustrates how you
are coming to be as much of a troll as JTEM.
Do something useful and sic Oxyaena, your Useful Idiot, on Glenn and me.
Peter Nyikos
PS I've told your greatest benefactor to date, Mark Isaak, to mark well
how I mark restorations of snipped text. If you didn't see it, that's your problem, not mine.
On 12/2/21 6:46 PM, Peter Nyikos wrote:
On Thursday, December 2, 2021 at 9:12:38 AM UTC-5, John Harshman wrote:
On 12/2/21 4:53 AM, Peter Nyikos wrote:
[in reply to Glenn:]
I still owe you a thread about
"Ancient bornaviruses and modern vaccines"
to make the subject of vaccination fully on topic.
But that will have to wait until next week. This is the last week of classes,
always the busiest time of the year where my teaching duties are concerned.
I would have supposed that you would have kept this crap in talk.origins >> and out of sci.bio.paleontology. If this wasn't a mistake, it's
disappointing.
The real crap is coming from you, and illustrates how you
are coming to be as much of a troll as JTEM.
Do something useful and sic Oxyaena, your Useful Idiot, on Glenn and me.
Peter Nyikos
PS I've told your greatest benefactor to date, Mark Isaak, to mark well
how I mark restorations of snipped text. If you didn't see it, that's your problem, not mine.
Please do not post off-topic threads to sci.bio.paleontology.
Even ancient viruses are not on topic.
Why are you doing this here?
On Thursday, December 2, 2021 at 11:57:00 PM UTC-5, John Harshman wrote:
On 12/2/21 6:46 PM, Peter Nyikos wrote:
On Thursday, December 2, 2021 at 9:12:38 AM UTC-5, John Harshman wrote: >>>> On 12/2/21 4:53 AM, Peter Nyikos wrote:
[in reply to Glenn:]
I still owe you a thread about
"Ancient bornaviruses and modern vaccines"
to make the subject of vaccination fully on topic.
But that will have to wait until next week. This is the last week of classes,
always the busiest time of the year where my teaching duties are concerned.
I would have supposed that you would have kept this crap in talk.origins >>>> and out of sci.bio.paleontology. If this wasn't a mistake, it's
disappointing.
The real crap is coming from you, and illustrates how you
are coming to be as much of a troll as JTEM.
Do something useful and sic Oxyaena, your Useful Idiot, on Glenn and me. >>>
Peter Nyikos
PS I've told your greatest benefactor to date, Mark Isaak, to mark well
how I mark restorations of snipped text. If you didn't see it, that's your problem, not mine.
John, why do you openly flaunt your hypocrisy with crap like the following?
Please do not post off-topic threads to sci.bio.paleontology.
The thread which you idiotically accuse me of "posting"
has been a long running one, and you've contributed off-topic stuff
to it yourself several times, such as the following, on September 9:
"Turns out that SARS-Cov-2 doesn't generally lyse cells. Instead it
coopts the lysosome to exit. And it appears that nobody actually knows
for sure how the virus damages the body. Still, it isn't the spike
protein that does it."
Please do not ask me to refrain from doing things that you have quite willingly
done thousands of times in sci.bio.paleontology, especially since you
helped Erik Simpson destroy, early in 2018, the oasis of civilization that the three of
us had made of s.b.p. in 2015.
Even ancient viruses are not on topic.
Once you see how I treat the topic, you will see that it is intimately connected with mammalian paleontology.
Why are you doing this here?
Wrong question. More honest would be,
"Why were you and Glenn talking so negatively about my admirer, Oxyaena?"
That's the real reason you snipped EVERYTHING of the post to which you were replying, isn't it?
You couldn't stand the way it showed that Glenn had the last word against Oxyaena
on a thoroughly off-topic and incendiary subject, could you?
Be that as it may: if you have any insight into your own motivations, ask yourself:
"Why was it worthwhile for me, John Harshman, to so openly show what a hypocrite
I am about off-topic posting?"
On 12/3/21 4:23 AM, Peter Nyikos wrote:
On Thursday, December 2, 2021 at 11:57:00 PM UTC-5, John Harshman wrote:
On 12/2/21 6:46 PM, Peter Nyikos wrote:
On Thursday, December 2, 2021 at 9:12:38 AM UTC-5, John Harshman wrote: >>>> On 12/2/21 4:53 AM, Peter Nyikos wrote:
[in reply to Glenn:]
I still owe you a thread about
"Ancient bornaviruses and modern vaccines"
to make the subject of vaccination fully on topic.
But that will have to wait until next week. This is the last week of classes,
always the busiest time of the year where my teaching duties are concerned.
I would have supposed that you would have kept this crap in talk.origins >>>> and out of sci.bio.paleontology. If this wasn't a mistake, it's
disappointing.
The real crap is coming from you, and illustrates how you
are coming to be as much of a troll as JTEM.
Do something useful and sic Oxyaena, your Useful Idiot, on Glenn and me. >>>
Peter Nyikos
PS I've told your greatest benefactor to date, Mark Isaak, to mark well >>> how I mark restorations of snipped text. If you didn't see it, that's your problem, not mine.
John, why do you openly flaunt your hypocrisy with crap like the following?
Please do not post off-topic threads to sci.bio.paleontology.
The thread which you idiotically accuse me of "posting"
has been a long running one, and you've contributed off-topic stuff
to it yourself several times, such as the following, on September 9:
It's been dormant so long that everything except that post had
disappeared from my feed.
Why revive it? It shouldn't have been here to
begin with.
"Turns out that SARS-Cov-2 doesn't generally lyse cells. Instead it
coopts the lysosome to exit. And it appears that nobody actually knows
for sure how the virus damages the body. Still, it isn't the spike
protein that does it."
Please do not ask me to refrain from doing things that you have quite willingly
done thousands of times in sci.bio.paleontology, especially since you helped Erik Simpson destroy, early in 2018, the oasis of civilization that the three of
us had made of s.b.p. in 2015.
Even ancient viruses are not on topic.
Once you see how I treat the topic, you will see that it is intimately connected with mammalian paleontology.
If so, why aren't you doing that
rather than all the personal attacks
you're actually indulging in?
On Thursday, December 2, 2021 at 9:12:38 AM UTC-5, John Harshman wrote:
On 12/2/21 4:53 AM, Peter Nyikos wrote:
[in reply to Glenn:]
I still owe you a thread about
"Ancient bornaviruses and modern vaccines"
to make the subject of vaccination fully on topic.
But that will have to wait until next week. This is the last week of classes,
always the busiest time of the year where my teaching duties are concerned.
I would have supposed that you would have kept this crap in talk.origins
and out of sci.bio.paleontology. If this wasn't a mistake, it's
disappointing.
The real crap is coming from you, and illustrates how you
are coming to be as much of a troll as JTEM.
On Sunday, September 26, 2021 at 10:27:48 PM UTC-4, Glenn wrote:Genocide Convention, even as ethnic cleansing has no legal definition under international criminal law.[2][5][6]"
On Sunday, September 26, 2021 at 6:22:15 PM UTC-7, Oxyaena wrote:
On 9/21/2021 11:29 AM, Peter Nyikos wrote:
On Friday, September 10, 2021 at 11:31:53 PM UTC-4, Oxyaena wrote:What makes you think displacement isn't an atrocity in and of itself?
On 9/9/2021 7:31 PM, Peter Nyikos wrote:
On Thursday, September 9, 2021 at 4:41:18 PM UTC-4, Oxyaena wrote: >>>>>>> On 9/9/2021 10:50 AM, Peter Nyikos wrote:
On Wednesday, September 8, 2021 at 10:48:50 PM UTC-4, Mario Petrinovic wrote:
Based on the criteria of the majority. Even if I am not part of that >>>>>>>>> majority, and even if this "hygiene" applies on me.
Regarding Jews, aren't they the most notorious example? I mean, >>>>>>>>> everybody knows everything about Jews.
Maybe in your part of Croatia [although I doubt it] but certainly >>>>>>>> not in the USA. The endless harping on the Holocaust -- not that I >>>>>>>> mind most of it, "Schindler's List" was jarring even to me -- drowns out
anything negative people here say in the media about Jews.
Lest there be any misunderstanding: I'm glad I saw "Schindler's List," >>>>>> because it brought home to me the utter inhumanity of the Nazi extermination
campaign like nothing I saw before -- including the ghastly scenes of >>>>>> actual footage in "Judgment at Nuremberg."
I have to agree that the Holocaust receives a bit too much attention >>>>>>> compared to other genocides and atrocities, like the Native American >>>>>>> Holocaust, or the Naqba when the Zionists ethnically cleansed Palestine >>>>>>> of almost all of its indigenous people.
Note the words, "ethnic cleansing." I looked up the word "Nakba," [generally accepted spelling],
which was new to me, and it turns out that it was only in 1998 that Yasser Arafat actually
made it a formally observed date, May 15. I saw no sign of any atrocities beyond displacement:
You can't just remove the Nakba from the current experiences of the
Interesting how you compare the cold blooded murder of millions of Jews with
the displacement of peoples.
Interesting how you whitewash the cold-blooded 75+ year long oppression >>>>> of the Palestinian people
You are flagrantly, hatefully, moving the goalposts. The Nakba happened about as
many years ago, and you're pretending I was talking about something else altogether.
Palestinian people. There are still millions of Palestinians living in
displaced refugee camps, knowing no life outside of the harshness of the >>> camps in question.
Because you were and are.
as "mere ethnic displacement." You've always
been a piece of shit, Peter, but this is a new low even for you.
On the contrary, you have treated me as though I were a piece of shit from the get-go,
[snip idiocy]
Can you point me to a webpage where
it is explained how the partition of Palestine and the resulting displacements
are different in their nature from the partition that created India and Pakistan,
resulting in the displacement of millions of Hindus living in what became Pakistan
and millions of Muslims living in what became India?
Does that make it any better?
Major backpedal from hate-crazed use of "piece of shit" noted. In particular,
you cannot cite anything but displacement that is associated with ethnic cleansing:
"it also includes indirect methods aimed at forced migration by coercing the victim group to flee and preventing its return, such as murder, rape, and property destruction.[2][3][4] It constitutes a crime against humanity and may also fall under the
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethnic_cleansing
Palestinians are to this day oppressed by
the Apartheid regime in Israel,
There is nothing like the original Apartheid in Israel. That is one thing I learned from reading up on
the Nakba in official Jewish webpages: there are even Muslims in the Knesset,
I suggest talking to an actual Palestinian for once, and not from
pro-Zionist propaganda pages. That's like reading David Irving for an
unbiased source on the Holocaust.
[snip mindless Zionist simping]
What you are seeing is the mindless hate directed at me that this thoroughly unsatisfactory person exhibited almost from the get-go.
He first called himself Thrinaxodon, posting under the byline "Nyikos repellent" for 101 posts,
and then attempted to destroy sci.bio.paleontology with voluminous insanely worded spam, day in and day out.
He even pretended to be Ed Conrad most of the time to make it look like he wasn't the only offender.
But enough of the early "Oxyaena". The interesting thing here is that you, Glenn,
had the last word in this off-topic digression from the subject of vaccination,
and with the following unanswered challenge to boot:
You don't give a shit about Palestinians.
I think you hit the nail on the head.
It will be interesting to see whether this revival of this thread brings Oxyaena back to it.
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