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So does that mean there are clear and consistent generic DNA sequencing differences between C. ladon and C. neglecta? Or is it the case differences may exist but those differences may be due to sampling error. Has it been established C. neglecta are not
and can not be second and third brood seasonal variants of ladon? Could you raise ladon larva to become adult neglecta lookalikes under certain environmental conditions? Have not people in the past claimed that to be true? I do not know what to think on
any of these questions.
Roger Kuhlman
Ann Arbor, Michigan
From:
BPatter789@aol.com
Date: Mon, 22 Aug 2016 15:16:53 -0400
Subject: Re: [Leps-l] What is the Evidence that Spring and Summer Azures are separate ...
To:
rkuhlman@hotmail.com
Dear Roger,
See the recent research article at ZooKeys that treats of this genus:
https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__zookeys.pensoft.net_articles.php-3Fid-3D7882&d=CwIFAw&c=-dg2m7zWuuDZ0MUcV7Sdqw&r=tVAKMFPe3UCcsMWUFXo0FeX0xe1JUAj77B74DAI3DKI&m=CiWJztWI9CpBhNRc22cp0m3w8j6pbvFI7AP8fWxWrKM&s=
kuoaHNu5pqyOOMzzKGzcV3Xtq5gdnOSkLhxynLQgkek&e=
What Azure blues occur in Canada? A re-assessment of Celastrina Tutt species (Lepidoptera, Lycaenidae)B.
Christian Schmidt, Ross A. Layberry
Spring Azure (Celastrina ladon)
and Summer Azure (Celastrina neglecta) are good
species.
Bob Patterson
Bowie, Maryland, USA
(301) 262-2459 p.m. hours
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Moth Photographers
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In a message dated 8/22/2016 11:53:03 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
rkuhlman@hotmail.com writes:
I would like to know if there is good evidence that Spring Azure
(Celastrina ladon) and Summer Azure (Celastrina neglecta) are separate species
or only just seasonal variants of the same species. Sure they look different
but they appear in exactly the same habitats at least that is true in
southeast Michigan. I think they may also use the same larval host-plants here
although I can not substantiate that claim.
Roger Kuhlman
Ann
Arbor,
Michigan
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<body class='hmmessage'><div dir='ltr'>So does that mean there are clear and consistent generic DNA sequencing differences between C. ladon and C. neglecta? Or is it the case differences may exist but those differences may be due to sampling error. Has
it been established C. neglecta are not and can not be second and third brood seasonal variants of ladon? Could you raise ladon larva to become adult neglecta lookalikes under certain environmental conditions? Have not people in the past claimed that to
be true? I do not know what to think on any of these questions.<br><br>Roger Kuhlman<br>Ann Arbor, Michigan<br><br><div><hr id="stopSpelling">From:
BPatter789@aol.com<br>Date: Mon, 22 Aug 2016 15:16:53 -0400<br>Subject: Re: [Leps-l] What is the Evidence
that Spring and Summer Azures are separate ...<br>To:
rkuhlman@hotmail.com<br><br>
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<div>Dear Roger,</div>
<div> </div>
<div>See the recent research article at ZooKeys that treats of this genus:</div>
<div> </div>
<div><a href="
https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__zookeys.pensoft.net_articles.php-3Fid-3D7882&d=CwMFAw&c=-dg2m7zWuuDZ0MUcV7Sdqw&r=tVAKMFPe3UCcsMWUFXo0FeX0xe1JUAj77B74DAI3DKI&m=CiWJztWI9CpBhNRc22cp0m3w8j6pbvFI7AP8fWxWrKM&s=
kuoaHNu5pqyOOMzzKGzcV3Xtq5gdnOSkLhxynLQgkek&e=" target="_blank">
http://zookeys.pensoft.net/articles.php?id=7882</a></div>
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<div>What Azure blues occur in Canada? A re-assessment of<span class="ecxApple-converted-space"> </span><i><span class="ecxtn" style="COLOR:rgb(0,102,0);"><span class="ecxgenus" style="FONT-STYLE:italic;">Celastrina</span></span></i><span class="
ecxApple-converted-space"> </span>Tutt species (<span class="ecxtn" style="COLOR:rgb(0,102,0);"><span class="ecxorder">Lepidoptera</span></span>,<span class="ecxApple-converted-space"> </span><span class="ecxtn" style="COLOR:rgb(0,102,0);"><
span class="ecxfamily">Lycaenidae</span></span>)<a style="CURSOR:pointer;TEXT-DECORATION:none;WORD-BREAK:break-all;COLOR:rgb(27,138,174);" target="_blank"><img id="ecxarrow" style="BORDER-TOP:medium none;BORDER-RIGHT:medium none;BORDER-BOTTOM:medium none;
BORDER-LEFT:medium none;PADDING-RIGHT:6px;" alt="expand article info" src="http://arpha.pensoft.net//i/arrow-down-icon.png"></a><span style="CURSOR:pointer;COLOR:rgb(27,138,174);" data-author-id="2527"><span>B.
Christian</span><span class="ecxApple-converted-space"> </span><span>Schmidt</span></span>,<span class="ecxApple-converted-space"> </span><span style="CURSOR:pointer;COLOR:rgb(27,138,174);" data-author-id="26516"><span>Ross A.</span><span class=
"ecxApple-converted-space"> </span><span>Layberry</span></span></div> <div><font color="#400040"><span style="CURSOR:pointer;COLOR:rgb(27,138,174);" data-author-id="26516"><span></span></span></font> </div>
<div><font color="#000000"><span style="CURSOR:pointer;COLOR:rgb(27,138,174);" data-author-id="26516"><span><font color="#000000">Spring Azure (Celastrina ladon)
and Summer Azure (Celastrina neglecta) are good species</font>.</span></span></font></div>
<div><span style="CURSOR:pointer;COLOR:rgb(27,138,174);" data-author-id="26516"><span></span></span> </div>
<div><span style="CURSOR:pointer;COLOR:rgb(27,138,174);" data-author-id="26516"><span>
<div><font face="Arial" lang="0"><font color="#000000">Bob Patterson<br>Bowie, Maryland, USA<br>(301) 262-2459 p.m. hours
only<br></font><a href="
https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__mothphotographersgroup.msstate.edu_&d=CwMFAw&c=-dg2m7zWuuDZ0MUcV7Sdqw&r=tVAKMFPe3UCcsMWUFXo0FeX0xe1JUAj77B74DAI3DKI&m=CiWJztWI9CpBhNRc22cp0m3w8j6pbvFI7AP8fWxWrKM&s=
C833dORmRZpPSpSquznff6q55lZeisqibE16t32CQf0&e=" target="_blank"><font color="#000000">Moth Photographers
Group</font></a></font></div></span></span></div>
<div><span style="CURSOR:pointer;COLOR:rgb(27,138,174);" data-author-id="26516"><span></span></span><span style="CURSOR:pointer;COLOR:rgb(27,138,174);" data-author-id="26516"><span></span></span> </div>
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<div>In a message dated 8/22/2016 11:53:03 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
rkuhlman@hotmail.com writes:</div>
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<div dir="ltr">I would like to know if there is good evidence that Spring Azure
(Celastrina ladon) and Summer Azure (Celastrina neglecta) are separate species
or only just seasonal variants of the same species. Sure they look different
but they appear in exactly the same habitats at least that is true in
southeast Michigan. I think they may also use the same larval host-plants here
although I can not substantiate that claim. <br><br>Roger Kuhlman<br>Ann
Arbor,
Michigan<br></div>=<br><br>_______________________________________________<br>Leps-l
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