The results of JWST are shaking the Big Bang model to its foundations. A
new article in Scientific American reports that a new cosmology needs to be invented... See: https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/jwsts-first-glimpses-of-early-galaxies-could-break-cosmology/
Yeah, the whole thing is coming down with a huge BANG!
But surely a new cosmology will appear, humans are like that. They need an explanation of how all being arises, how the Universe started.
Four elephants sustain the universe proposed the Hindu researchers some thousands of years ago. Well, that didn't pan out. What a surprise!
"In the beginning... " how many answers to that question have we invented? The Big Bang goes to the same garbage bin that all other theories,
elephants included.
Personally, I do not know. I do not know what is life, even if I am a biologist. I do not know my future, and the only sure fact that I do know
is my ignorance.
jacob
[[Mod. note --
It is very likely that 50 years from now our understanding of cosmology
will be different than it is today. It is also very likely that 50 years from now our understanding of cosmology will in the main *refine* (as
opposed to overthrow) our understanding today.
This notion -- that scientific progress is mainly one of *refinement*
rather than over *overthrowing* -- is beaufully explained in Isaac Asimov's classic essay "The Relativity of Wrong". Wikipedia has a brief synopsis
of this essay,
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Relativity_of_Wrong#Title_essay
and there are lots of copies of the full essay online, e.g.,
https://hermiene.net/essays-trans/relativity_of_wrong.html
-- jt]]
The results of JWST are shaking the Big Bang model to its foundations. A
new article in Scientific American reports that a new cosmology needs to be invented... See: https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/jwsts-first-glimpses-of-early-galaxies-could-break-cosmology/
[[Mod. note --
It is very likely that 50 years from now our understanding of cosmology
will be different than it is today. It is also very likely that 50 years from now our understanding of cosmology will in the main *refine* (as
opposed to overthrow) our understanding today.
[[Mod. note --
It is very likely that 50 years from now our understanding of cosmology
will be different than it is today. It is also very likely that 50 years
from now our understanding of cosmology will in the main *refine* (as
opposed to overthrow) our understanding today.
[[Mod. note --
It is very likely that 50 years from now our understanding of cosmology will be different than it is today. It is also very likely that 50 years from now our understanding of cosmology will in the main *refine* (as opposed to overthrow) our understanding today.
Although "refinement" has been THE process for the past half-century, "overthrow happened in 1905-1916 with the advent of relativity. It
happened again with quantum physics in the 1930's and the 1960's with
QFT. The discovery of "island universes" seems to have been more than a "refinement" and the application of GR to cosmology was, too.
The problem with GR applied to cosmology is that theories such as the
FLRW metric aren't the only possibilities.
If a "big bang" could happen
in our brane (taking a concept from M-theory), it may not have been
unique. Suppose a "big bang" happened before our present one and it's
way, way out there and expanding faster than we are. What would that
look like? It happened long, long ago so star formation has stopped.
All it would consist of would be red dwarfs, whose spectra might look something like the CMBR.
THAT would overthrow the FLRW model since all
of our big bang is not all that there is. There's other stuff out there
that has a gravitational effect on us, as well as spacetime itself.
It might also do away with FLRW's need for dark energy. GR predicts
that, since we are closer to this expanding side of the previous "big
bang," we would be dragged (accelerated) along its line of motion by the Lense-Thirring effect, thus explaining dark energy.
The ekpyrotic theory of Steinhardt, Khoury, Turok and Ovrut, suitably modified and verified, could do a GREAT deal of damage to our present cosmological model.
Whether this flight of fancy has any semblance of
reality, I think FLRW is in trouble.
In article <Y6fv4VgT...@gold.bkis-orchard.net>, Gary Harnagel=20 <hit...@yahoo.com> writesgy=20
[[Mod. note --=20
It is very likely that 50 years from now our understanding of cosmolo=
ars=20will be different than it is today. It is also very likely that 50 ye=
=20from now our understanding of cosmology will in the main *refine* (as=
=20opposed to overthrow) our understanding today.=20
Although "refinement" has been THE process for the past half-century,=
=20"overthrow happened in 1905-1916 with the advent of relativity. It=20 happened again with quantum physics in the 1930's and the 1960's with=
=20QFT. The discovery of "island universes" seems to have been more than a=
=20"refinement" and the application of GR to cosmology was, too.
While I agree on the quantum stuff, I'm not so sure about the others.=20 There had been a debate on whether nebulae, as they were then known,=20
were within the Milky Way or extragalactic systems at least since the=20
time of William Herschel. The question was decided about a hundred=20
years ago, but since it was a decision between two alternatives which=20
had both been around for a while, I don't see it as a revolution in the=
same sense as the quantum developments you mention.
As to relativity,=20=20
with regard to special relativity I think that Rovelli makes a=20
convincing case that Einstein's formulation of it grew out of his=20 conservative attitude to physics (which, famously, led him to part=20
company with the quantum theory he helped to create). One could argue=20
that the results of SR were revolutionary, but the theory itself, so=20 Rovelli, really wasn't. He discusses this in his book about Anaximander=
which, partly because we don't know much about Anaximander, is also=20
about many other things. With GR, I think that all agree that it was=20 revolutionary.=20
=20
In general, though, the fact that there were some revolutions in the=20
past doesn't necessarily mean that there will be any in the future.
=20The problem with GR applied to cosmology is that theories such as the=
ed=20FLRW metric aren't the only possibilities.
A Friedmann-Lema=C3=AEtre-Robertson-Walker (FLRW) model is a model a) bas=
on GR and b) homogeneous and isotropic. It can contain an arbitrary=20=20
number of components with various equations of state. Historically, and=
probably physically as well, the most important have been=20=20
non-relativistic matter (known as "dust" in cosmology, where a dust=20 particle is a supercluster of galaxies), radiation, and the cosmological=
constant. Due to the different equations of state, the respective=20=20
energy densities evolve differently with time, hence radiation is most=20 important at the beginning, then matter, then the cosmological constant.=
But as you mention there are many other possibilities for cosmological=20 models based on GR.=20=20
=20
50--100 years ago, homogeneity and isotropy were essentially simplifying=
assumptions. Today, they are observational facts. (To be more exact,=20=20
we observe a high degree of isotropy which implies homogeneity unless we=
are in a special location for which there is no evidence.)=20
If a "big bang" could happen=20
in our brane (taking a concept from M-theory), it may not have been=20 unique. Suppose a "big bang" happened before our present one and it's=
=20way, way out there and expanding faster than we are. What would that=20 look like? It happened long, long ago so star formation has stopped.=20
All it would consist of would be red dwarfs, whose spectra might look=
=20something like the CMBR.
Regardless of the other points, the idea that the CMB is reprocessed=20 starlight is an old one, going back at least to Fred Hoyle who wanted to=
have an explanation for the CMB in the steady-state model. The presence==20
of the CMB doesn't directly contradict the steady-state model (though in==20
that model its temperature would be constant while in conventional=20 cosmology it decreases with time, something which one could at least in==20
principle measure), but it is not something which arises naturally.=20 However, today so many details about the CMB are known that reprocessed==20
starlight is not a valid explanation. (By coincidence, the energy in=20
the CMB is about the same as that in starlight.)
=20THAT would overthrow the FLRW model since all=20
of our big bang is not all that there is. There's other stuff out there=
=20that has a gravitational effect on us, as well as spacetime itself.
Yes and no. Conceptually, yes. However, it is known that an FLRW model=20
is a good description of our Universe, and that would still be the case=
even if the big picture were different.
=20It might also do away with FLRW's need for dark energy. GR predicts=20 that, since we are closer to this expanding side of the previous "big=
e=20bang," we would be dragged (accelerated) along its line of motion by th=
Lense-Thirring effect, thus explaining dark energy.
Does that explanation work quantitatively?=20
I always wonder why people think that they have to explain dark energy.==20
GR has two physical constants, G and Lambda. Hardly anyone wants to=20 explain G in the same manner, i.e. explain why it is non-zero, calculate==20
its value from something else, and so on.
That does not rule out that=20
dark energy might be something which behaves like the cosmological=20 constant (note that there is no evidence that dark energy---a more=20
general term---is anything more complicated that the cosmological=20 constant), but in that case one would have to explain why Lambda, the=20 "bare" cosmological constant, is zero. Usually if Nature has a degree=20
of freedom it is used and the absence of something like that, i.e. a=20 parameter being zero, implies a new symmetry, quantum number,=20
conservation law, etc., and the burden of proof is on those who make=20
that claim.
=20The ekpyrotic theory of Steinhardt, Khoury, Turok and Ovrut, suitably=
=20modified and verified, could do a GREAT deal of damage to our present=
cosmological model.
Suffice it to say that it has not (yet?) convinced the community.=20
Again, a modified version would have to make concrete, testable=20 predictions for it to be verified (in the sense that none of those=20 predictions rule it out).
Whether this flight of fancy has any semblance of=20
reality, I think FLRW is in trouble.
Why do you think that FLRW is in trouble?
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