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  • electronic-only publication at Astronomy and Astrophysics

    From Phillip Helbig (undress to reply)@21:1/5 to All on Mon Jul 29 00:26:27 2019
    For a while back in the 1990s, A&A published some things (such as
    appendices to papers) ONLY electronically. However,
    ftp://cdsarc.u-strasbg.fr doesn't seem to exist anymore, and http://cdsweb.u-strasbg.fr/Abstract.html doesn't work (many links return
    "not found" etc).

    For example, take http://aa.springer.de/papers/7318003/2300680/small.htm
    where one can read:

    * All three appendices are only available in electronic form at the
    CDS via anonymous ftp to ftp://cdsarc.u-strasbg.fr/pub/A+A/
    (130.79.128.5) or via http://cdsweb.u-strasbg.fr/Abstract.html

    However, a reader cannot access the appendices via these links.

    How can one access them?

    In this case, I am author of the paper, so have the appendices, and they
    are also at arXiv. However, I think that a reader should be able to
    access the content of a paper published by A&A at the official site.

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  • From Steve Willner@21:1/5 to helbig@asclothestro.multivax.de on Thu Aug 22 22:10:56 2019
    In article <qhm6rp$1mi0$1@gioia.aioe.org>,
    "Phillip Helbig (undress to reply)" <helbig@asclothestro.multivax.de> writes:
    For example, take http://aa.springer.de/papers/7318003/2300680/small.htm where one can read:
    * All three appendices are only available in electronic form at the
    CDS via anonymous ftp to ftp://cdsarc.u-strasbg.fr/pub/A+A/
    (130.79.128.5) or via http://cdsweb.u-strasbg.fr/Abstract.html
    ...
    How can one access them?

    Are they at
    http://cdsarc.u-strasbg.fr/viz-bin/cat/J/A+A/318/680 ?

    I found that link through ADS, but there was no link to the paper at
    the A&A web site. And as you say, at the A&A web site, the
    appendices aren't included in either the HTML or PDF versions of the
    paper. That's just bizarre. I thought the point of online
    publication is that lengthy extra material is easy to include.

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  • From Phillip Helbig (undress to reply)@21:1/5 to willner@cfa.harvard.edu on Fri Aug 23 09:43:04 2019
    In article <qjmruj$drv$1@dont-email.me>, Steve Willner <willner@cfa.harvard.edu> writes:

    In article <qhm6rp$1mi0$1@gioia.aioe.org>,
    "Phillip Helbig (undress to reply)" <helbig@asclothestro.multivax.de> writes:
    For example, take http://aa.springer.de/papers/7318003/2300680/small.htm where one can read:
    * All three appendices are only available in electronic form at the
    CDS via anonymous ftp to ftp://cdsarc.u-strasbg.fr/pub/A+A/
    (130.79.128.5) or via http://cdsweb.u-strasbg.fr/Abstract.html
    ....
    How can one access them?

    Are they at
    http://cdsarc.u-strasbg.fr/viz-bin/cat/J/A+A/318/680 ?

    Yes. One can get their eventually from the "online data" link at ADS,
    though this is not really online data.

    I found that link through ADS, but there was no link to the paper at
    the A&A web site. And as you say, at the A&A web site, the
    appendices aren't included in either the HTML or PDF versions of the
    paper.

    Right.

    That's just bizarre. I thought the point of online
    publication is that lengthy extra material is easy to include.

    In this particular case, one can debate whether a few more pages is
    "lengthy extra material". This was back when A&A decided to publish
    some stuff "only electronically", with only the "core version" in the
    paper journal. Back then, I don't think that there was an online
    version of the journal.

    After much protest from the community, A&A had to backtrack.
    Unfortunately, this paper is one which was accepted while this policy
    was in place. (The arXiv version is the full paper, though.) Today,
    many journals are online only (maybe A&A as well?). Back then, they
    decided to publish some stuff as online only back when many people
    didn't even have a graphics-capable screen at work, so any money saved
    by avoiding an increase in subscription cost would be lost paying for
    paper and ink when people print the stuff out. Also, libraries which
    wanted a complete set would have to print the electronic-only stuff out
    and bind it.

    So, what the online version of this paper has is essentially (probably automatically) converted from the PAPER version, including the "All
    three appendices...".

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