• Re: The Einstein Shift Is Actually Newton S

    From Lou@21:1/5 to Pentcho Valev on Thu Jan 19 02:52:53 2023
    On Thursday, 19 January 2023 at 10:16:41 UTC, Pentcho Valev wrote:
    Einsteinians teach that the frequency shift measured in the Pound-Rebka-Snider experiment gloriously proved gravitational time dilation, a miracle Einstein fabricated in 1911:

    David Morin: "The equivalence principle has a striking consequence concerning the behavior of clocks in a gravitational field. It implies that higher clocks run faster than lower clocks. If you put a watch on top of a tower, and then stand on the
    ground, you will see the watch on the tower tick faster than an identical watch on your wrist. When you take the watch down and compare it to the one on your wrist, it will show more time elapsed. [...] This GR time-dilation effect was first measured at
    Harvard by Pound and Rebka in 1960. They sent gamma rays up a 20m tower and measured the redshift (that is, the decrease in frequency) at the top. This was a notable feat indeed, considering that they were able to measure a frequency shift of gh/c^2 (
    which is only a few parts in 10^15) to within 1% accuracy." http://www.personal.kent.edu/~fwilliam/Chapter 13 General Relativity.pdf

    The truth is that the frequency shift measured in the Pound-Rebka-Snider experiment proves (is proportional to) the speed-of-light shift predicted by Newton's theory, and therefore there is no gravitational time dilation. Some Einsteinians unwittingly
    hint in this direction:

    University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign: "Consider a falling object. ITS SPEED INCREASES AS IT IS FALLING. Hence, if we were to associate a frequency with that object the frequency should increase accordingly as it falls to earth. Because of the
    equivalence between gravitational and inertial mass, WE SHOULD OBSERVE THE SAME EFFECT FOR LIGHT. So lets shine a light beam from the top of a very tall building. If we can measure the frequency shift as the light beam descends the building, we should be
    able to discern how gravity affects a falling light beam. This was done by Pound and Rebka in 1960. They shone a light from the top of the Jefferson tower at Harvard and measured the frequency shift. The frequency shift was tiny but in agreement with the
    theoretical prediction." https://courses.physics.illinois.edu/phys419/sp2011/lectures/Lecture13/L13r.html

    Max Planck Institute for Gravitational Physics : "You do not need general relativity to derive the correct prediction for the gravitational redshift. A combination of Newtonian gravity, a particle theory of light, and the weak equivalence principle (
    gravitating mass equals inertial mass) suffices...The gravitational redshift was first measured on earth in 1960-65 by Pound, Rebka, and Snider..." http://www.einstein-online.info/spotlights/redshift_white_dwarfs.html

    Banesh Hoffmann (p. 139): "The gravitational red shift does not arise from changes in the intrinsic rates of clocks. It arises from what befalls light signals as they traverse space and time in the presence of gravitation." http://www.amazon.com/
    Relativity-Its-Roots-Banesh-Hoffmann/dp/0486406768

    Here Pound and Snider honestly inform the reader that they predict variation of the speed of the photons identical to the variation of the speed of material objects in free fall:

    The other possibility not even considered by the relativists and Pound Rebka is the option that the frequency shift isnt actually occuring in the lightwaves But rather in the detector. We know atoms are resonant systems. They only
    are ever observed to have resonant wave like properties. And as empirical observations and analysis for centuries has confirmed, Resonant systems
    when subjected to external force like g or acceleration will change their resonant
    frequency. Quite why relativists ignored a classical effect like resonance to account for the apparent frequency shift of light is surprising and typical of relativists to ignore an already well documented effect, resonance, to describe their observations.
    The frequency shift in Pound Rebka would then be explained as:
    If one studies the P-R setup Notice that the detector setup is such
    that it only measures emr in a narrow frequency band. Which happens to
    be the same as the emitted radiation when both emitter and detector
    are at the the same altitude. Both being a sample of Fe57.
    But place the emitter and detector at opposite ends of the tower and
    the lower detector sample , now being subjected to a greater
    external force of g than the emitter at the top of the tower would have
    it’s resonant frequency changed by a stronger g at the base of the tower.
    It would not be able absorb the incoming wave radiation from the
    sample at the top of the tower because it’s resonant frequency was changed due to a different g between the two samples. In resonance we have observed this effect for centuries. A resonating system will always absorb
    any incoming wave energy that is only at the same frequency as its resonant frequency.
    Apply an external force to any resonating system and it’s resonant frequency changes. And it no longer will be able to absorb those incoming waves because the incoming waves are no longer at the same frequency as the systems old resonant f.
    The same happens in P-R. The lower absorbing samples resonant f
    is now in a stronger g potential. It’s resonant frequency is lower
    than the emitting f of the sample on the top of the tower. Giving the
    low IQ relativist the false impression that the emitting radiation
    is blue shifted!
    To correct this the emitter is vibrated creating a range of higher
    and lower Doppler shifted radiation. Some of which was then
    at the right f again to be absorbed by the detector sample.
    No relativity needed.


    R. V. Pound and J. L. Snider, Effect of Gravity on Gamma Radiation: "It is not our purpose here to enter into the many-sided discussion of the relationship between the effect under study and general relativity or energy conservation. It is to be noted
    that no strictly relativistic concepts are involved and the description of the effect as an "apparent weight" of photons is suggestive. The velocity difference predicted is identical to that which a material object would acquire in free fall for a time
    equal to the time of flight." http://virgo.lal.in2p3.fr/NPAC/relativite_fichiers/pound.pdf

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