• The Fundamental Fraud of Thermodynamics

    From Pentcho Valev@21:1/5 to All on Tue Jan 11 13:38:30 2022
    A 200 years old fraud on which the whole of thermodynamics is predicated:

    "A NECESSARY component of a heat engine...is that two temperatures are involved" http://physics.bu.edu/~duffy/py105/Heatengines.html

    "Two temperatures" are by no means "necessary". Isothermal (one-temperature) heat engines are commonplace - e.g. pH-sensitive polymers can do work, at the expense of ambient heat, as they swell or contract. No "two temperatures" involved:

    https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Paul-Topham/publication/47426820/figure/fig1/AS:307404580376582@1450302371395/Illustration-of-a-volume-transition-in-a-cross-linked-polybase-network-triggered-by-a-pH.png

    By adding and removing hydrogen ions (H+) one can cyclically extract work from pH-sensitive polymers - see Fig. 4 on p. 15 here: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1367611/pdf/biophysj00645-0017.pdf

    Adding and removing H+, per se, consumes no work if done QUASISTATICALLY. This means that the work lost e.g. in adding is compensated by the work gained in removing, and the net work involved is zero. So lifting weights is the net work in the whole
    process. The second law of thermodynamics is clearly violated.

    See more here: https://twitter.com/pentcho_valev

    Pentcho Valev

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  • From Trolidan7@21:1/5 to Pentcho Valev on Tue Jan 18 03:38:16 2022
    On 1/11/22 1:38 PM, Pentcho Valev wrote:
    A 200 years old fraud on which the whole of thermodynamics is predicated:

    "A NECESSARY component of a heat engine...is that two temperatures are involved" http://physics.bu.edu/~duffy/py105/Heatengines.html

    "Two temperatures" are by no means "necessary". Isothermal (one-temperature) heat engines are commonplace - e.g. pH-sensitive polymers can do work, at the expense of ambient heat, as they swell or contract. No "two temperatures" involved:

    https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Paul-Topham/publication/47426820/figure/fig1/AS:307404580376582@1450302371395/Illustration-of-a-volume-transition-in-a-cross-linked-polybase-network-triggered-by-a-pH.png

    By adding and removing hydrogen ions (H+) one can cyclically extract work from pH-sensitive polymers - see Fig. 4 on p. 15 here: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1367611/pdf/biophysj00645-0017.pdf

    Addingnd removing H+, per se, consumes no work if done QUASISTATICALLY. This means that the work lost e.g. in adding is compensated by the work gained in removing, and the net work involved is zero. So lifting weights is the net work in the whole
    process. The second law of thermodynamics is clearly violated.

    See more here: https://twitter.com/pentcho_valev

    Pentcho Valev

    Well, if you are talking statistical thermodynamics and information
    entropy, and not necessarily the dynamics of heat flow, what is
    the likelihood of an array of atoms or molecules doing something
    unlikely if you have 6.02 times 10^23 or the like in a flask that
    you are working with?

    The probability is extremely unlikely.

    However what if you are only working with say two atoms?

    If two atoms are bouncing around in a flask. What are the odds
    at any one time that both atoms will be in one specific half
    area of the flask rather than the other one? Well, the odds
    that the entropy will spontaneously reduce based upon statistics
    alone with respect to a specific chosen side of the flask is
    as great as one in four. Other states are one atom in each
    side (on an atom by atom basis 50% likely) and both on the
    opposite side (the other normalized 25%).

    There are however no great forces or physical laws that prevent
    the atoms from all randomly bouncing to one side of the flask at
    any point in time however based upon the statistical formulation
    of the system.

    Rather, spontaneous entropy decreases become less and less likely
    if you are choosing a system with a vast number of statistical
    entities. (Like the statistical distribution of speeds in a
    flask with a mole of atoms rather than just two or three atoms.)

    If a 'law' can be violated, it is just statistically unlikely
    that it will be violated, does it still remain a 'LAW' even if
    its violation is 'VERY UNLIKELY' but not completely impossible?

    Maybe that is a 'philosophic' question (whatever that means).

    The likelihood of monkeys pounding typewriters at random to
    produce the works of William Shakespeare or a leaf spontaneously
    jumping up to the height of a tree limb due to a random alignment
    of the atoms due to something like Brownian motion is among some
    of those incredible numbers expressed and computed with logarithms.

    Next question. Is someone 'irresponsible' if they do not have
    insurance? Is someone 'irresponsible' if they do have insurance?
    How 'stupid' is buying a lottery ticket if you are only paying a
    small amount of money for it anyway? How 'likely' is a good
    or bad occurrence? Is something or someone 'honest' or 'dishonest'
    if this possible occurrence does or does not actually happen?

    Well, ... who knows.

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